try and in this manner and try and identify people? it is precisely for the reason of dignity which takes time to put into place but it must run through everything we do. and the recovery of those victims, the order in which we recover them and how, and we have to gain so much information as we go through, to make sure that we do not miss anything. all of that takes time and it will continue, unfortunately, to ta ke it will continue, unfortunately, to take time. what we are doing now is trying to appeal to any community that feel they have loved ones involved in this incident. from my perspective, it is to try and start building that trust. we know that, although we cannot speculate at this time on the nationality of our victims, it is clear from everybody that we are getting a large amount of engagement from the vietnamese population, from communities home and abroad. we need to try and separate those. i met with the viennese ambassador this morning and

we are building a really good and rapid rapport. we have agreed, and i've made it perfectly clear to the ambassador at every stage that we will be treating those individuals with dignity and respect. the ambassador visited a civic centre in g rays ambassador visited a civic centre in grays and has paid tribute there. but underlying that we do not know exactly the nationality of our individuals but i will focus and engage as much as i possibly can within the vietnamese community. looking at those abroad, we may be able to use fingerprints which could speed up the process and hopefully well. but looking at those at home, it becomes a far more complex scenario because it may well be that there are people watching this tonight thinking they are here in the uk and here illegally and they wa nt to the uk and here illegally and they want to come forward. they want to try and identify their loved ones and be reunited but they are frightened. i have met this morning,

andi frightened. i have met this morning, and i think we are all aware that there are some websites that people are communicating with from abroad and focusing in on from the vietnamese community, and they may use these websites when they come to the uk normally. i have met with a facilitator of one of those websites, and for him to meet me hopefully to get some trust in me and put out to the community to take that leap of faith, please make contact with my team through the portal. if you come to us, we will do all we can to put our arm around you and take you through this process , you and take you through this process, identify as quickly as possible to see whether or not we have your loved one involved in this tragic incident. and try and reunite you. the next thing will be repatriations. we have to take this one step at a time. there are a lot of issues that surround this, but we are all talking. this is the message we need to put out. we are all communicating and talking and all wa nt communicating and talking and all

want one common thing. that is to identify our victims, and reunite them with our families as quick as we can. we will continue to do that. ican take i can take questions from people. in terms of the four people who are currently being questioned, any more arrests ? currently being questioned, any more arrests? unfortunately, i cannot go into that. the nature of these investigations is my role as a senior identification manager and there is clear water between my role in the senior investigating officer. we talked to make sure we do not treat each other up in our common aims but other than that, the sio is running that side of the investigation and i will have two direct you to the senior investigating officer or the press office to get those latest updates. it is really important that my role is to absolutely focus because if i get sidetracked on any other issues, i cannot do myjob properly my team cannot do theirjob properly. as i

said before, this is about as rapidly as we can identifying our victims and identifying their families. is this one of three lorries that has come over at the same time? you are honing straight into an investigative question. i know the senior investigating officer reminds —— remains open—minded, there are lines of enquiries and other wider conspiracies involved in this and of course we are. . . conspiracies involved in this and of course we are... the lines of enquiry are set to identify the wider conspiracy but i can say no more than that because that is a question for them senior investigating officer. as part of identifying these people, you must be fearful that this is part of a wider trafficking ring? are you concerned about security at the ports? well, actually, ithink concerned about security at the ports? well, actually, i think we got to be realistic. we know, and you are reporting frequently, on the fa ct you are reporting frequently, on the fact that we have people coming into the country, either being

trafficked, or as asylum seekers, and we know that the borders are very tight and complicated and there are more and more chances being taken. this isn't the first time this has happened, in 2016 we had a similar incident where luckily only one individual died but that was actually through natural causes, we had a near miss on that occasion, so we know this is going on. and i majorly concerned we will have the same thing happen tomorrow and the next day? you cannot say, can you? it must be clear that criminals, thatis it must be clear that criminals, that is what we are dealing with, criminals, murderers, are taking more and more chances with these vulnerable people. and the risk is massive. so, you know, am i concerned? yes, i'm concerned. will it happen again? i really hope not. it could well do. can i ask you about that identification? how are you trying to identify people? 0bviously, you trying to identify people? obviously, there are photographs that you are being shown and we are hearing about all the postings of

pictures and organisations and also fingerprints? can you talk asteroid? all the information that i know the media have been receiving has all been coming to us as well. that comes into our casualty bureau and then we start to process all that information and see where we can, so we ta ke information and see where we can, so we take the postmortems and all of the postmortem information that we can get from that particular individual, any id papers that may have been on them, and on this occasion they were very few, but tattoos, marks, scars, anything we can do, general appearances, photographs, all that information we glean from the initial recovery of oui’ glean from the initial recovery of our victims is one aspect, and then we've got all this information coming from abroad, coming in from this case, as we are liaising with the vietnamese community, i appreciate we must be careful here that there may be action there —— other nationalities involved, at the moment we have a lot of information coming in from the vietnamese

communities and we are overlaying that. having met this morning with the vietnamese ambassador, we are already agreeing a method of sharing fingerprints, which may be a fast track method of identifying some of oui’ track method of identifying some of our victims, and overlaying with that there could be ontology and dna. it may well be that we have to track down families, we may have to find the families that are within the uk and get those comparisons. we may have familial dna that we can use to identify them. when we look at each and every individual is treated as an individual, quite rightly, and we make the best decisions as how to identify that person. do you have any idea about the proportion that will be from the vietnamese community? has the investigation shifted from the chinese to the vietnamese community? the investigation hasn't shifted anywhere. i have remained completely open minded as to which

nationalities i may have as my victims. that is part of the reason for this. yes, of course we have a focus at the moment for the vietnamese community but that does not mean they will not be others. and i have to be aware of others that may fear they have loved ones involved and they may fear coming forward. iam not involved and they may fear coming forward. i am not making any assumptions on amounts and, you know, proportions. it is really important that people, please, take that leap of faith, get in contact with our portal which is w w w dot m i p with our portal which is w w w dot m ippdot with our portal which is w w w dot m i p p dot police dot uk. we need to get that out there and make sure that people feel comfortable and confident to come through to us. if you come through that portal, that is my team, and we can deal with this ina is my team, and we can deal with this in a trusted manner. you say

you are appealing to people who may have come here illegally, you want them to take that leap of faith, are you saying that you will give an amnesty to these people? what i can say is that essex police will take no action whatsoever against any individual that comes forward to us, we will take them through that process and do everything we can to identify them to see whether or not they have a family member as a victim and to establish then how we, the reconciliation of that person and if necessary repatriating to home. although, that is a complex issue that needs further conversation. no more questions. we have done enough now. i must crack on. so, you have been watching detective to inspector martin passmore outside gray's police station in essex giving us the very latest update into that investigation into the deaths of 39

people whose bodies of course were found inside a lorry in essex. there we re found inside a lorry in essex. there were some interesting detail that came out of that news conference, not least of which was that he said it would take time to establish the identities of the victims. 0ur correspondent, lisa handley, is in g rays correspondent, lisa handley, is in grays and she was talking to detective to inspector martin passmore at that news conference. lisa, if we might start festival with his comments about identifying the victims. he did say we don't know the nationalities of those who we re know the nationalities of those who were in the lorry container but interesting that he said that the focus was on the vietnamese community? indeed. he said that they have been listening to all the reports about the vietnamese people who have been coming forward. he also said that he met the vietnamese ambassador here today and that he

has talked to him and heard all the information that has been coming out as well and that he has been looking at the information that we have been getting, too, and that the people that have been coming forward and talking to the bbc as well as others, and there were 20 people whose photographs had been event to an organisation called viet home here in britain who had desperate relatives trying to find out nor. he said there may be more nationalities, he does not know, but he said they are looking at the vietnamese angle and it will be a long process. one of the important things that came out was all the bodies have now been taken of the lorry and have been taken to chelmsford to broomfield hospital for postmortem examinations. we know taking time to identify them, it will take a long time, they are using fingerprints, photographs, dental records, everything you can

think of. and one of the important thing is that he is trying to get over here is that he wants people to feel that they can come forward with information because he says there must be people in britain who are desperate to find out that they are worried about coming forward and he says he doesn't want them to be fearful. he is saying there will be an amnesty and essex police will not prosecute anybody who comes forward and is here illegally and has information and wants to know what is happening, and i have a website that they have set up especially for that. dci martin passmore is only involved in the identification part of this investigation, he is not involved in charges or any other pa rt involved in charges or any other part of it, so he really desperately wa nts to part of it, so he really desperately wants to help people to be able to get these families, these relatives to know what is happening and to identify the people and for everyone

to know exactly who was in the back of that lorry, those 39 bodies which are now at the hospital in chelmsford. lisa hamm pelle at grays in essex, thank you for that update. we arejoined by an in essex, thank you for that update. we are joined by an officer who in essex, thank you for that update. we arejoined by an officer who —— by someone who was an officer in the toilet and police for 31 years and is now an expert in human trafficking. but of you to join us. i don't know how much of that news conference you were able to hear but the head of the police investigation saying that the focus of the investigation is on the vietnamese community is that broadly in line with what you expect? i think i would share what martin passmore said which is we still have to be careful of making assumptions. 0ne still have to be careful of making assumptions. one of the things that

i know from my experiences as vietnam —— vietnam is a much more open country than china so we are receiving a lot of information from vietnam about potentially missing people but we are hearing nothing from china. equally, there will be relatives in china who are wondering about the outcome of their relatives that have made this journey because people are making this journey in their thousands from both of those countries. really? that is interesting. and i also thought it was interesting that he said it was open—minded about whether the deaths are part of a wider trafficking conspiracy. what are your thoughts on that? and again i agree with martin. yes, this is wider, this is a world problem. people are being moved across the world by smugglers and traffickers constantly, and is not surprising that from that small area in central vietnam where they area in central vietnam where they are saying that three lorries made

that journey, well, are saying that three lorries made thatjourney, well, thesejourneys are being made from other parts of that region and other parts of the world. and if we do have chinese victims, they would have come a com pletely victims, they would have come a completely different route. at the minute, the central point is belgium. belgium is a helpful way different groups gather and there is a negotiation process of getting them on the lorries. really, this is where the irish connection comes in, what we would call the transport network element, the trucks are not driven by vietnamese organised crime 01’ driven by vietnamese organised crime or chinese organised crime, they are seeking assistance to get people across. sometimes, some of these victims are held. considerable amount of time and disparate groups are put together in the back of a truck and they won't even know each other, sometimes, and as martin said, they could be different nationalities. that is interesting. to delve a little deeper into that point, can you give us some idea of the sorts of people that might be involved in this kind of activity? because from what you are saying,

they could be spread across multiple countries. yes, definitely. if we have chinese victims, then it is triad organised on a huge level, if we are looking at vietnam victims, it is vietnam organised crime, there is an element in vietnam called the black society, which other moneylenders which helped fuel this process , moneylenders which helped fuel this process, but recruitment is local, recruitment is in the villages, both in southern china, the poor areas of china, and in central vietnam. many of these families, this is an important part of the investigation strand as well, their families will have been part of a negotiation process to their loved ones on reach to the west. with false promises all along the way. it is very sad that why they may be thinking that they are going to end up working in restau ra nts a nd are going to end up working in restaurants and in hotels, that many of these victims end up in prostitution, cannabis farms or forced labour. but theirfamilies have sent them willingly on the

promise that they will get a better life. unfortunately, we must leave it dead but really, really good to hear your thoughts, thank you so much forjoining us. —— we must leave it there. police say they cannot confirm the identities of the 39 people found deadin identities of the 39 people found dead ina identities of the 39 people found dead in a lorry in essex but they are focusing on engagement with the vietnamese community. england are into the final of the rugby world cup, after beating defending champions new zealand19—7 in yokohama. and the dup leader arlene foster vows to keep opposing borisjohnson's brexit deal unless changes are made. in sport, england are through to the world cup final but who will they face next week? well, it could be wales. they play south africa tomorrow morning hoping to reach their first world cup final. manchester city close the gap on premier league leaders liverpool to three points with a comfortable 3—0

win over aston villa. and great britain was might return to international rugby league doesn't go well, they are beaten 14-6 doesn't go well, they are beaten m—s by doesn't go well, they are beaten 111—6 by a tonga invitational 13 in their first test for 12 years. more sport in an hour. england's rugby team produced one of their greatest ever performances — to beat defending champions new zealand — and reach the rugby world cup final injapan. the all blacks were clear favourites before the game, but england dominated, taking the lead in the second minute, and eventually winning by 19 points to seven. they'll face either wales or south africa — who play tomorrow — in the final. 0ur sports editor dan roan was at the stadium and told us just what an achievement this was. not since 2003, when the world cup was won, has english rugby enjoyed a moment as enjoyable, as significant, as the one we have just witnessed

here in the yokohama stadium. they came into this match very much as underdogs, they ended it as top dogs. four years ago, england were humiliated on home soil in their own world cup, crashing out at the group stage. in the wake of that failure, the rfu invested heavily, bringing in australian coach eddiejones, they tasked him with putting the pride back into english rugby, and reaching the semifinals of this tournament. well, here this evening, he just went one better, and in doing so, his team have dethroned the superpowers of world rugby, the all blacks. it ends a run of six defeats against them, the last time england beat the all blacks was in 2012. they will have to wait until tomorrow, england, to discover who they will play in next week's final, either wales or south africa. but after a performance and a win that will never be forgotten, they now know they will go into the final as firm favourites.

the england head coach eddiejones said his side the democratic unionist leader arlene foster has underlined her party's opposition to the proposed brexit deal in her speech to the dup conference this afternoon. mrs foster has accused borisjohnson of breaking commitments he gave at the event last year. she warned that her party would not lend it's crucial ten votes to passing the withdrawal agreement... to passing the withdrawal agreement. 0n brexit, we will not give support to the government, when we believe they are fundamentally wrong and acting ina they are fundamentally wrong and acting in a way that is detrimental to northern ireland and taking us on the wrong direction. we will oppose them and we will use our vote to defeat them, and let me say clearly from this platform today that we wa nt to from this platform today that we want to support a deal, a deal that works for the whole of the united kingdom and which does not leave northern ireland behind. but without change, we will not vote for the prime minister's agreement. it would

be bad for northern ireland economically and will weaken the foundations of this great united kingdom. the brexit secretary says there will not be northern ireland to great britain paperwork, then he says they will. the prime minister says they will. the prime minister says they will not be checks but then we are told they will be. now we are told it can be sorted out by a joint community with the european union. we have been clear, we have been honest with the government throughout this process and we expect the same in return. the customs and consent arrangements must be revisited and a one nation approach adopted. we worked intensively with the government over recent weeks to try to reach a fair and balanced deal, we were not seeking a perfect deal because no such deal exists, we were seeking a deal which delivered brexit without erecting barriers to trade. the government has repeated its call for mps to back a general election later this year.

mps are expected to vote on the question of another poll on monday. the prime minister borisjohnson says he wants to hold one in december if the eu offers a brexit delay until the end of january. tom barton explains the challenges facing the chat —— the prime minister. we did get a conclusion of sorts of this eu meeting with ambassadors in that they agreed they would be an extension. what we didn't hear is how long that extension would be. and there is big disagreement in the eu about that, particularly with france's president emmanuel macron, who is very keen on a much shorter extension than some of the other eu states, so instead of the other eu states, so instead of up to the end of the year, potentially the end of january, he would rather see extension ofjust a couple of weeks. and that matters because boris johnson couple of weeks. and that matters because borisjohnson would like to see this election on december the 12th, he is going to put that to

parliament, we understand, on monday. and he can only call the election of two thirds of mps support him. 0pposition parties have made it clear, first of all, that they won't necessarily support this no matter what, but if they did it would be conditional on it happening before brexit. and so we need to know what their brexit date is going to be before any vote is going to be approved. the government, though, underlining their keenness on an election, saying this is the only way to resolve brexit and earlier today, the business minister saying thatjeremy corbyn in particular it needs to front up and accept boris johnson's demands. when she or it semi was prime minister, all he would talk about and one of the things he was talking about consta ntly things he was talking about constantly with this need for a general election. now he seems to have changed his mind and he is saying that is because we have to —— haven't ta ken no saying that is because we have to —— haven't taken no deal off the table, but when he was asking for a general election for two years, our policy

was that no deal is better than a bad deal, so no deal has always been a potential outcome, and he hasjust changed his mind and i don't think it has anything to do with the status of no deal. reports this morning suggesting the government could be looking at more divergences from the eu in terms of regulations, workers' rights, for example, and environmental standards. talk us through that, what has been emerging? this is a document leaked to the financial times. the paper says that it eventually shows, like you said, the government is looking at diverging further than it had initially said from the eu's rules and regulations. this is once we leave ? and regulations. this is once we leave? yes, once we leave, and once the transition period is over. so if we leave with a deal, we are talking about the end of that period once we leave properly, if you like, and essentially, according to the ft,

this document says that the way the political declaration, this thing which sticks alongside the withdrawal agreement and talks about how the two sides want to proceed with negotiations during the transition period, it says that there is room for interpretation, according to the ft, in the closeness with which britain needs to continue, following the eu's regulations. these claims are likely to bea regulations. these claims are likely to be a red rag to those labour mps, 19 of them, who supported boris johnson for that deal last week at that second reading vote in the house of commons after receiving assurances from the government around workers' rights and environmental protections. the government today, though, says it doesn't recognise this document and speaking earlier today, the business minister said it wouldn't make any sense to dilate workers' rights because the government has put together this coalition including nearly 20 labour mps and anything to undermine that it would of course, he says, be a mistake. that was tom

barton. protest leaders in iraq have paused their demonstrations to give the government time to find solutions to their demands. we are hearing reports of more u nrest we are hearing reports of more unrest today. at least a0 people were killed, and 2000 others were injured, in protests across the country yesterday. security forces used live rounds and tear gas against demonstrators. demonstrations began three weeks ago against corruption, lack ofjobs and economic hardship. the iraqi prime minister, adel abdul—mahdi, has refused to step down but promised to reshuffle his cabinet. joining us via webcam is dr renad mansour, project director of the iraq initiative at chatham house. thank you forjoining us. this is a complicated situation and the background to it is complicated. can

you help us to understand it a little bit better? for some time, there has been a sort of gap between there has been a sort of gap between the people and the rulers in iraq. it was for many seen that the next fault line, the iraq that we once thought was a fault line has actually shifted to a fault line between a majority of the population and the rulers. the rulers who have ruled since 2003 without any accountability and also without any ability to provide basic services. so, for the past few years, iraqis have really realised that the only voice they have is not on the ballot boxes or with parliamentarians but through protest. so they have gone to the streets to protest, famously last year and this year in baghdad, but something has changed and violence has entered into the equation. but we have seen in baghdad is over 150 earlier in the month being targeted and killed by the state security forces and their

paramilitary allies. the situation is tense and the sort of post—2003 iraqi state is on the brink at the moment as most of these protesters, they don't call for the end of one leader, one prime minister, one party, even, they are talking about anti party, even, they are talking about a nti syste m party, even, they are talking about anti system change, they want to change the whole entire structure that they feel was imposed on them in 2003 by both the americans and the foreign iraqi elites who came to iran after 2003. you say something has changed and as we have seen, that it -- has changed and as we have seen, that it —— the situation is tipped over into violence, what has changed and why now? it seems that, you know, these protests have been going on for several years. year after year, they are realising that their government, their very own leaders arejust government, their very own leaders are just unable to deliver reforms. so their demands are becoming louder and louder and the leadership in baghdad is more sort of, the co ntestation baghdad is more sort of, the contestation is internally stronger

than ever and they are realising there is an ex threat here. the protesters are anti—system so to kind of have an option, a response to that, some of them have chosen to use violence, violence to stop protest because i just use violence, violence to stop protest because ijust don't know any other way or they can't think of any other way or they can't think of any other way how they can sort of remedy that massive gap that has increased between most of a wrap among citizens those very wealthy elite who sit sort of in the green zones elite who sit sort of in the green zones and really have nothing, don't have nothing —— much to do with a normal iraqis. we understand protest leaders and errata have now paused their demonstrations to give the government a chance to find solutions to meet their demands, in reality, what can the government do? it will be difficult for the government. first of all, it is hard to really talk about food represents these protests. it is not one movement, even many protest leaders don't command the entire movement,

they are very sporadic, these protests. so it is hard to see how one could control them, they are leaderless. the government will try, and the prime minister a few nights ago came out and gave this reform package, very similar, talking about shuffling the cabinet, bringing about electoral law change, they have had it before, and i think it is increasingly falling on deaf ears and also iraqis just don't believe that the corrupt can fight corruption and effectively fight themselves out of office. dr mansell, really good to talk to you, thanks so much for your time. the owners of the telegraph, david and frederick barclay, have put the newspaper up for sale. it's part of a wider review of their assets which has already seen the ritz hotel in london put on the market. the brothers, who are among britain's richest men, bought the paper in 2004 for more than 660 million pounds.