in 2014, abu bakr al—baghdadi, the leader of thejihadi group islamic state, declared a caliphate in iraq and syria. by the time of his death last weekend the territory had been lost, his caliphate had crumbled. but is has already declared a new leader and vowed revenge. so, please start are. tell us what we know about this new leader. the new leader is actually an ex saddam hussein man. he could be more brittle than abu bakr al—baghdadi. he is very influential. his name is giving a lot of meanings when he says al-qurayshi it means that he

comes from mecca and when he says al—hashimi it means he is of the profit. it has a deliberate move from the —— he has of the prophet. they would like to say that they have more islamic legitimacy in particular. isis is not al-qaeda. it is not a one—man show like a counter. there summer by night and was everything —— like al-qaeda. osama bin laden was everything. isis is about the ideology and very strong ideology and they managed to create a precedent on the middle east and the islamic world to create first a state with a population of more than 7 million. the size of the state is bigger than britain. it

used to have about $1 million income from the oil and gas of celia, so they still have branches in afghanistan and north africa —— the oil and gas of assyria. isis is still there. the corruption, the lack of good governance and the sectarianism. the anarchy. if you see that there is uprising in iraq and lebanon. we will come back to all of that because there is a lot to unpack there. on this individual, the us president says he knows everything about the successor to al—baghdadi. what do you think about the role that he has played here?“ we ask yourself the question of where does this leave isis and its affiliates, the question of almost equal importance lids to trump, who managed, by the way, in which he

handled this to grab a defeat from the jaws of victory in the sense that his account of the whimpering al—baghdadi that his account of the whimpering al— baghdadi is not that his account of the whimpering al—baghdadi is not supported by the joint chief of staff or the commander of central command or by the commander on the ground. all of whom said that they do not know where this account comes from. it seems to me that, an excellent story in the new york times to be by the way, which quotes liberally from the washington post, quotes a washington post survey saying that 13,000 incidents in trans administration where he made false or misleading statements of — — where he made false or misleading statements of —— and trumbull's administration. it says that 41%, if iremember, 41% administration. it says that 41%, if i remember, 41% of the poll respondents believed that trump almost never told the truth. i think

this is going to turn out to be a sort of epigrammatic version of this. he seems to have invented at the whimpering big daddy out of whole —— the whimpering al—baghdadi out of whole cloth. he turned what could have been a triumphal moment for the american armed forces and the american armed forces and the american people into a personal issue about his own credulity. yet, do not think it is a single triumphant moment nonetheless, as far as the us military and government are more widely concerned? this government are more widely concerned ? this is government are more widely concerned? this is a moment where they did get their man? well, they got their man when they went after the car we got their man when they went after the carwe and got their man when they went after the car we and bin laden and how much difference has it made? attic the point where the circumstances that created these letters and movements are processed. they have not changed. we cannot hope that the

killing of yet another leader is going to make that much difference. it might have the opposite effect by creating legends. maria, i thought on ice as a succession? i do not know very much about a successor to al—baghdadi know very much about a successor to al— baghdadi —— on know very much about a successor to al—baghdadi —— on isis succession. this comes on the heels of the disaster of the american withdrawal from syria. this opens up syria and the middle east to assad, russia and iran. i sometimes wonder whether the timing of this killing had anything to do with that and whether it was in facta to do with that and whether it was in fact a deliberate timing in order to reverse... the other thing about timing was the location. he was killed there in what was he doing the? he may well have been trying to form alliances wider than isis with

al-anda, with other groups there. just picking off one man is not going to actually defeat isis. in fa ct, going to actually defeat isis. in fact, the americans continue and whoever the leader is, they will go after them. in the end, they can probably kill whoever is in the leadership position but they will not kill the group. it will still continue other circumstance which has arisen and has given birth to it. there is a point that has to be made in fairness to trump's role in this. i did follow from his disastrous move to remove american troops from the syrian turkish border. he made that move, in effect saying that he did not want to

spend, pointlessly spent, any more american military lives in pursuit of unattainable objectives and you would have to say that this whole circumstance rather make that point for him. in doing that, he betrayed the kurds who had been, who have been betrayed so many times by so many perils that it is almost does not bear thinking about. i want to come back to this question a pious resilience. before we move on to the fertile ground for them to recruit and, —— question of iso resilience. i have three points here. the first one, i believe that trump is a telling a lot of lies about the ca ptu re telling a lot of lies about the capture and the death of al—baghdadi. he is trying to portray himself as achieving exactly what

obama achieved to assassinate or kill osama bin laden. the second point, ok, we managed to kill osama bin laden, and what happened, we actually ended with two more radical, more bloody, more brittle organisations, which is al—nusra and al-qaeda in syria. so what will happen after the death of al—baghdadi, a radical organisation. the third point is that i am really surprised, the americans are now changing the equation. now they are bidding those mujahideen are terrorists in the sea. in the beginning, they used to parade them. the son of saddam hussein, when they we re the son of saddam hussein, when they were killed, we saw their dead bodies. at the same thing when gaddafi was killed, ok, they buried his body, but we have seen him. now,

with the american a new diversion, we can see that the killed hamza bin laden and we have not seen his body and al—baghdadi's body. and they are bedded osama bin laden at sea. why are we not seeing those bodies cosmic —— they are burying osama bin laden at sea. you do not parade bodies on sticks. i think they're not doing that. you can bury them, but why in the sea? i want trump to a nswer but why in the sea? i want trump to answer that. if we step back from the particulars of this rather awful encounter, scratch my encounter in

the deserts of northern syria, it may be that trump could be proven right ina may be that trump could be proven right in a certain sense, which is that the american public is clearly exhausted with its military adventures in the middle east. and there seems to be part of the waystation to get a troops home and it might play well for him in next year because my collection. at least ido year because my collection. at least i do not think it will be costly. there will be some net again and he can claim some credit. forget getting rid al— baghdadi can claim some credit. forget getting rid al—baghdadi and if he continues to pull back american troops, however we are continues to pull back american ti’oops, however we are aware continues to pull back american troops, however we are aware of what the benefits of the pax americana have been, we are going to have to get used to the fact that america will not any longer be extending the lives of thousands of its own troops in pursuit of unattainable objectives in the middle east. getting back to the question of the resilience of is. this ties back to maria and adam's points. the

question of these prisoners. the us already believes that there are lot of is fighters out there in iraq and syria. we had a lot of prisoners and their future syria. we had a lot of prisoners and theirfuture uncertain. syria. we had a lot of prisoners and their future uncertain. presumably, is have already said it actually, there is a duty on muslims trying to spin these fighters from their presence, however informal in northern syria. there are 12,000 of them and they were under the protection of the kurds. now the kurds are completely demoralised. they were let down by the american and by the western governments, so they do not know what to do with those 12,000. if they release them, it will be a disaster. it has a many army here. so i believe that there are also more than 12,000 who have managed to escape. we do not know where they are. they could be sleeping sales now, waiting for the new leader maybe of isis to ignite

the sales —— cells. isis is weakened by the death of al—baghdadi, but any long term it could be a disaster and those people could regroup again. there is also the sense in which a tether is being exported to the global south because american security systems are much more powerful —— in which terror is being exported to the global south. we have seen terror attacks in afghanistan, nigeria and the philippines, which are not such a problem for president trump. philippines, which are not such a problem for president trumplj philippines, which are not such a problem for president trump. i think it is emblematic that the late al—baghdadi it is emblematic that the late al— baghdadi was a it is emblematic that the late al—baghdadi was a prisoner of the united states which i visited at a time that he was a bear. none of us knew who al— baghdadi time that he was a bear. none of us knew who al—baghdadi was then. —— i visited at a time when he was there. you are familiar with the middle

east and also you, adam. the middle east and also you, adam. the middle eastis east and also you, adam. the middle east is boiling now. anarchy is everywhere now. there is uprising in iraq. iraq is supposed to be a model, according to the american narrative, after saddam hussein is dead. look at iraq now. there is a revolution in iraq. there is a revolution in lebanon any way or another. and we have seen two prime ministers resigned this week. exactly. that is the best environment for isis. this is the best environment for terrorism to actually start again, so it is actually start again, so it is actually true that political islam is receding a bet, it is true that maybe we do not have the same wave of political islam as ten years ago, but i believe this kind of anarchy and dissatisfaction and, as i said, the same problems out there. and maybe getting worse. unemployment, and equality, sectarianism,

frustration. corruption. corruption. the polite of these powers from the region has increased the destabilisation. we have a responsibility and the fact that the british government has refused to acce pt british government has refused to accept any of the women and children back from these clamps is a sign that we are abdicating —— the country is pulling out of this region. european governments and particularly the british government have a responsibility here, which they have not lived up to. but also trump, ina they have not lived up to. but also trump, in a few seconds. what he said to us last week he said, i am actually sending so many oil companies to go and run the syrian oil. the city gas. this is occupation and will give ammunition to these radical organisations that

make the cdm gas. to control deal and sell it and we had a lot of reports that american troops are facilitating the smuggling of syrian oil and earning $3 million a month and they want to compensate their losses when they finance an arm the kurds. this is also playing into the hands of the successor of al—baghdadi. also playing into the hands of the successor of al-baghdadi. we are going to have to leave it there. it is also worth mentioning that at this part of a discussion on any audio, in which isis announced the succession, it also said that it was expanding east to west. as we have heard, that is in some ways, to some of you, a credible claim and the risks are there. we have to move on now because we are coming closer to home to look at the domestic political situation in the uk. halloweenjokes aside, it is no laughing matter for governments to keep setting deadlines

and breaking them. for all his "do or die" promises and national no—deal planning, a british prime minister has been forced into a third brexit extension. he hopes that this is an extension with a difference: a general election to transform the parliamentary arithmetic and break the brexit paralysis. but will it? adam? obviously boris is in trouble and his promises. he has broken its promises all over the place. the fa ct promises all over the place. the fact that he has failed to get has a deductible 31st, i do not think it will damage has prospects with the electorate. however he has embarked ona electorate. however he has embarked on a fantastic candle and the idea that somehow the tories are going to emerge with an overall majority dash make a fantastic gamble. when they had abandoned the dup, the northern irish allies, and got rid of ten of their most loyal and prominent tory supporters and delineated the

scottish nationalists and so they are likely to pick up the 20 seats in scotland, so they begin a0 seats down right from the beginning almost. if they're going to get an overall majority, that requires a huge swing in these northern labour seats at the moment. i frankly do not see it at the moment. i think, despite the polls showing the tories way, way ahead, i think the opinion is very very volatile. i think boris may make it and i suspect he want and we will have a hung parliament. as body mass as we are in now. just before we look all the way to december the 12th. -- as bad a mess as we are in now. we saw the interview with nigel farage and president trump. president trump criticised borisjohnson's withdrawal deal with the eu. how damaging is that that he got the deal, the better paper that he waved and now his american ally is saying

it was not worth it? well, i think it was not worth it? well, i think it is incredibly damaging. the number of people who really want to be closely associated with president trump in this country are very, very few. the impact of farage on the conservative vote, particularly in tory — backed labour marginals could be very considerable and the labourers could lose several seats with that intervention. i think boris's campaign is potentially in serious trouble. i don't think we have quite come to that. so many things can happen in the next six weeks. which can change the landscape totally. at the moment, i think he has embarked on this gamble and rates are his political career, he is just and rates are his political career, he isjust a gambler and he has that knack because in london he pulled up to elections, they were supposed to judge british politics from. he may

appeal to a london electorate, but does he appeal in places like hull, in north shields and on tyneside? that is quite a different area. what do you think maria? of her trump say in the past few days that burst onto nigel farage together are an unstoppable force. —— we have heard trump say. what you think of his gamble? i agree with adam. i think it is really a gamble and anyone who makes predictions at this point is a full. i also think it is important to rememberwhy full. i also think it is important to remember why this election, which i don't think anyone in the country is really tremendously enthusiastic about in the middle december is, is happening. that is because boris johnson decided, rather than submitting his withdrawal agreement for a full parliamentary scrutiny, he pulled it. he could have let it go through the full parliamentary process, but i think he was afraid

it would be watered down in his way, which would lose him his right—wing support in his party and give fodder to the brexit party, which is why i think we are having an election now. i think once again brexit as a metaphor for some a different thing is, for different people, whether it is, for different people, whether it is about watering down the european union's environmental and working and labour regulations, whether it is about taxes, whatever it is about, it cannot... brexit and all the other issues at stake in the selection do not map onto one another and selection do not map onto one anotherandl selection do not map onto one another and i think we're heading for a great confusion here. i think it is important, i do think there is an event as a stake. i think the real issues that have affected people's lives, acidity, welfare cuts, the crumbling of the nhs, education, all of these things are addressed under a right—wing tory government, which is what we may be getting if borisjohnson does pull it off. at the same time, i don't

think it is clear enough for people to vote others issues. boris johnson says what toady or get to jeremy corbyn. we have not talked about labour enough. do think that is going to be a compelling enough message to voters? —— borisjohnson says vote tory or get a jeremy corbyn. the reading i take, which is very pedestrian of the public mood, is that people are tired of this unhinged world we have talked about the distant world cup that is unhinged. our own world here at home is deeply unhinged —— about the distant world that is unhinged. people are absolutely exhausted, divided and there is a real risk that instead of the rallying to the tory flag, and the brexit flag, that

borisjohnson versus tory flag, and the brexit flag, that boris johnson versus that it could well be that there will be millions of people in this country who are so fed up with this and that they come down on the opposite side of this and say, let's go back, let's scrap the whole thing, which would of course empower the liberal democrats more than anyone else. in turn, lead to possibly denying johnson a majority he needs. whatever comes of this, it is not going to be an end of the division, the confusion, the unhinged nature of the state. because even a sanctioned, greed, withdrawal agreement only takes us about 100 yards down the road in this marathon race. we have then got years and years when at the same issues are going to be thrashed out andl issues are going to be thrashed out and i find the whole situation very discouraging. barry? to be honest,

the international community is fed up the international community is fed up of this brexit. if you mention brexit three times to them, they will think. the british media, if you look at it, there's only one subject. without that maybe we are now heading to an election, we will have more real concentration on the real issues, which actually are very important to the british people. i have been in this country for a0 yea rs, have been in this country for a0 years, usually every election campaign, usually as national health, education, law and order, immigration. none of these issues are actually major or have the priority in this coming election. and it could be a hung parliament, meaning that brexit could be with us for another ten years. it is awful. these issues will come through and an election. i agree that the london media are obsessed by brexit, but you may be absolutely sure that in large parts of the country that the issues that you have mentioned are theissues

issues that you have mentioned are the issues that they will want to talk about and the politicians will respond. i have no doubt about that. and yet, adam, surely if everybody talks about them anyway around the table that people are saying, any divisive way that creates more confusion and we do not get a clear outcome on this huge brexit crisis that we face, are we any further on? probably not. the difficulty that i see is the conservatives have always done best as a one nation party, ie a moderate centrist party appealing by the cross of the political spectrum. but boris johnson by the cross of the political spectrum. but borisjohnson has appointed the most right—wing cabinet that i can certainly recall in my time and you have had large numbers of moderate tories, particularly women, deserting politics as they cannot abide by the abuse and the way that the tory party is moving. paris today, a long—time conservative, decided

today that he is going off as well i think that is damaging to boris. that is why i really wonder whether he is going to secure the sort of majority he is going to gamble on. we shall see but i'm going to have to leave it there. i'm sorry that we left it on a fairly sombre note. i'm not sure we could have avoided that some note. that's it for dateline london for this week. we're back next week at the same time. goodbye. hello we have 80 periods of pressure bringing some wet and windy weather across the uk. a number of warnings in place by the wet office —— by the

met office. likely to see some disruption and potentially some damage as well. it is all down to this deep area of low pressure. slowly sliding its way eastwards today. the strongest winds on its northern and southern flank. it is not in parts of england and south wales that we're most concerned about through this morning for the strength of the wind. gusts of a time per 70 to 80 and across the coast to hampshire and isle of wight. the 50 to 60 miles per are when widely inland. also some heavy rain across south—west england and wales. it will slide its way eastwards through the afternoon. to the north of this, drier and brighter conditions, southern scotla nd brighter conditions, southern scotland and northern england and to the far north of scotland, there is some wet weather. potentially as much as 80 millimetres of rain across some of the higher ground of northern scotland. gusts of 50 to 60 miles para, although shetland is probably escaping with a mainly dry

day. temperatures not much higher than what we saw first thing this morning. a tenner or salsa —— 1013 celsius. —— ten to 13 celsius. they need to be commercially oriented between there will be some drier and clearer interludes. where we see the clearer interludes. where we see the clear skies, temperatures falling to four or five celsius. where you have the cloud and the shows, holding up to between 68 celsius. the pressure with us tomorrow and it is not as intense so the wind will be less. —— between six to eight celsius. some showers here and also developing across parts of northern ireland, eastern scotland and northern england. looking like a drier day across the midlands, saturn and southern and eastern england. bright and sunny spells and events will not be as strong. in the afternoon sunshine, 13 or 1a celsius. where we have the showers, ten or 12 celsius. the pressure so that any week ahead,

so it will stay unsettled, particularly on monday. is that rain clears unjustly, we will see things turn a little bit colder again. goodbye.

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