tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News November 14, 2019 10:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello, it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. a&e departments in england have recorded their worst ever performance against the four—hour waiting time target since modern data collection began 15 years ago. those figures have been released in the last few minutes. we'll get all the details. when you recycle plastic in this country, has it occured to you it might end up getting burned in indonesia? in today's exclusive report, we hear how western plastic is poisoning the local food supply there, one experiment showed dioxins in eggs at rates more than 70 times european safety standards. the results of our research is one of the most shocking results we have
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ever had. especially in indonesia, we've never had these kind of results before. 15—year—old youtube star nikki lilly was diagnosed with an extremely rare and life—changing condition when she was just six and has had to have more than a0 operations. she's about to be awarded a bafta for her outstanding bravery. we'll talk to her at half past ten. hello and welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we'll have more on those latest waiting time figures in a few minutes. do get in touch if you've had to wait a long time in a&e. use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. lots of you already getting in touch on our exclusive film about plastic burning in indonesia.
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monty on twitter: "is this how ‘our‘ government is reducing its carbon output to net zero?! appalling!" finlay on twitter: "shocking truth of impact our plastic waste has due to ‘throwaway‘ mentality here in uk & elsewhere. affecting health of people in countries we export this waste t°_" do get in touch with us on all of the stories we are talking about this morning. first, annita mcveigh has the news. the nhs has published its worst ever figures for a & e waiting times in england since modern records began in 200a. figures just released show 83.6 per cent of patients were seen in a&e within four hours in october, a sharp drop on september and down from 89.1 per cent in october last year. the number of patients waiting for routine operations in england was 4.42 million in september,
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also the highest ever. the burning of plastic waste in indonesia, much of which has been sent there by the west, is poisoning the food chain, the bbc has learned. the environmental group ipen found, in one eastjava village, toxins in chicken eggs 70 times the level allowed by european safety standards. long—term exposure to the chemicals is linked to cancer, damage to the immune system and developmental issues. indonesia's government says it will send some of the waste back to countries. researchers were shocked at what they found. it is recycled, but it ended up in a factory to be burned. and we'll have that full report in the new few minutes. the home secretary, priti patel, will commit to reducing immigration if the conservatives win the general election.
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the tories are committed to ending freedom of movement with the eu after brexit, and introducing a points—based immigration system. but they won't be setting a target, having broken previous promises to cut net migration to the tens of thousands a year. miss patel has also accused labour of preparing to allow a surge in immigration. the outgoing president of the european council, donald tusk, has intervened in the general election, telling british voters not to give up on stopping brexit. speaking in the belgian city of bruges, mr tusk said the uk would become "a second—rate player" outside the eu. labour has announced a target for closing the gender pay gap by 2030. the party says it would achieve the target by fining companies who fail to report the difference in average hourly pay between men and women. the conservatives are accusing labour of "overpromising" something it could not deliver. the army is preparing fresh defences for flood—stricken parts of south yorkshire as more heavy rain is forecast across the uk. the village of fishlake
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near doncaster has been cut off by flooding, with hundreds of people being forced to leave their homes and businesses. a yellow weather warning for rain is now in force around sheffield, doncaster and nottingham and is expected to remain in place until the early hours of friday morning. that's a summary of the main news so far today. back to you, chloe. accident and emergency units in england recorded their worst performance against the four hour target since modern records began in 2004. 83.6 per cent of patients were treated or assessed in a and e within four hours in october, a sharp drop on september and down from 89.1 per cent in october last year. meanwhile, the number of patients waiting for routine operations in england was 4.112 million in september — the highest ever. with me is our health editor, hugh pym.
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give us more detail on this. where are we expecting it to be this bad? we had reports from various hospitals in october that there was intense pressure, unexpectedly so, when winter hadn't really set in but even so we when winter hadn't really set in but even so we had not expected a figure like this as low as this for a&e with 86.3% assessed in four hours and the target is 95%. and it was well down on october last year at 89%, so it's very hard to say it was flu, or the winter when in october those conditions didn't apply. so what is going on out there? more people are going into hospital but a certain number of them should not be there we were told by hospital managers, that they would be better looked after in the community and by social care and often they are elderly with long—term conditions and end up in a&e and ian —— a&e gets clogged up. 11.2 million, that
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people waiting for hip replacements and knee replacements that should be donein and knee replacements that should be done in 18 weeks and that target has not been hit for nearly four years and various charities have said they wa nt and various charities have said they want the political parties to reaffirm this commitment rather than slightly sidelining. as you say, we expect winter pressure to hit the nhs, it happens every year, so there's a chance it could get worse? yes, we have not had any severe weather. there were various reports of flu beginning to kick in, but it's not winter by any standards. a&e units are busy through the year 110w. a&e units are busy through the year now. very heavy demand in the summer as well as through the winter and often it is these factors of problems in the communities and social care and people going into hospital often elderly patients and thatis hospital often elderly patients and that is happening throughout the year but winter creates more pressure and that is all ahead through november and december and
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the flu season kicks in particularly in december. we are in the middle of an election campaign on the nhs is such a huge topic and we saw labour outlining their plans for the nhs and this is presumably going to feed into the general election campaign, these figures? i think it will feed into the debate because the nhs has been front and centre of the campaign with parties making various promises about how much money they will spend. interestingly the nuffield trust, doctorjohn appleby, the economist there, is saying that even with all the money pledged, getting back to these target levels on these key indicators might not happen forfour years. on these key indicators might not happen for four years. the on these key indicators might not happen forfour years. the money pledged may only be enough to keep the nhs as it is now because there is so much demand coming through and it will provoke a new debate about what might be a blame game, and nhs england make the point that they are seeing more patients each year, so though the targets are being missed,
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there are male overall being treated in a&e. thanks for coming in -- more overall. some of you getting in touch already this morning to share your experiences as my tablet updates i will be able to bring them to you. if you want to share your experiences of what you have seen in a&e in the course of the last few months just use the hashtag victoria lie. sky says, i was rushed to hospital on blue light with suspected meningitis and wheeled into hospital in stevenage at 11pm, left in the corridor for over eight hours and was not seen by a doctor until around 730 the next day. thankfully, i did not have meningitis. it was very scary being left sitting on a hard chair not knowing what was wrong. another person says, i spent over five hours in a&e injanuary and was in the midst of a mental health crisis. i was left on my own for five hours while waiting to see the on—call psychiatrist. i have neverfelt so lonely and unsafe. this is
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unacceptable and something needs to change. michaela got in touch on e—mail. the nhs staff and a&e are underfunded and i have all respect for the nhs. the government needs to stop cutting the funds. share your experiences with us this morning of a&e departments across the country and we will try to bring you a better picture on that throughout the course of the morning. when you're throwing away recycleable plastic waste in this country like this, you are assuming it will get recycled, yes? well, think again. plastic waste generated by the west is often sent to other countries for recycling. but it isn't always recycled. in fact, this programme has learned that the burning of plastic waste in indonesia, much of which has been sent there by the west, is poisoning the food chain. we've seen the results of tests done by an environmental group called ipen which tested free—range chicken eggs for toxic chemicals near factories that burn plastic. and at one village to the east of indonesia's main island, ipen found that eating just one egg would exceed the european food
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safety authority's tolerable daily intake for chlorinated dioxins 70 times over. the world health organisation says dioxins are highly toxic and can cause reproductive and developmental problems, damage the immune system, interfere with hormones and also cause cancer. louis lee ray has this exclusive report. parts of indonesia are awash with plastic waste. any food packaging? do you need any, uk? hundreds of thousands of tonnes of plastic were imported last year, and it's ending up in remote villages. some is recycled, but huge mounds are dumped and burned.
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and we've discovered dangerous levels of highly toxic chemicals from burning plastic are making it into the food chain. one of the most shocking results that we have ever had, especially in indonesia, we never have these kinds of results before. this is a small village in the east of java, indonesia's biggest island. but over the last few years, things here have started to change. since 2017 and ‘18, we've seen an increased flux of plastic entering indonesia. the uk, the us and australia all send waste to indonesia, supposedly to be recycled.
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last year, indonesia's plastic recycling industries imported around 300,000 tonnes of plastic waste. that's on top of the 900,000 tonnes they got from within the country. the uk sent 18,000 tonnes of plastic to indonesia in the first half of this year, and 55,000 tonnes of paper. that makes it the fourth biggest recipient of british waste in the world. any food packaging? do you need any, uk? this man runs a local environmental organisation.
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so why is plastic from the uk ending up here? well, paper is key here. indonesia has some of the world's biggest paper mills. the factories nearby import around 40% of the paper they recycle. but the bales of old paper are arriving with plastic in them. the paperfactories have no use for the plastic, and the villagers buy it by the truckload. they sift through the waste, selling the better quality material onto plastic factories, who reuse it. she has been living here for 11 years. she says she earns up to £6 a day from the plastic, and because of the money on offer, people here want more of it, not less.
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amongst the plastic scraps here is metal wiring, originally used to hold the imported paper bales together. it can be sold on too, but only after the metal has been stripped of its plastic coating. and to remove the coating, they burn it. there is an increased number of cases of respiratory diseases. there are lots of places that we've seen people burn the plastic piles. but if burning plastic is an issue here, it's far worse in a nearby village. tropodo is an hour's drive away. it's full of small factories making tofu, a food made from soya beans that's widely eaten in indonesia. the heat inside the factories is almost unbearable. fires keep pots of water boiling hot
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as soya beans are boiled down to make the tofu. what you might not expect is what's being used as fuel for the fire. plastic. the factory owners buy this plastic from the sorters. yuyun ismawati is a leading indonesian environmentalist. she's part of an international network of organisations, which works to reduce and eliminate the impact of harmful chemicals. look what i found. it says ‘recycle'. 0h, ‘earth aware'. but it's ended up here,
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in a tofu factory to be burned. while burning plastic can lead to respiratory illness, it also releases highly toxic chemicals called dioxins, which can make it into the food chain. we take the samples of eggs from houses around this village, and analyse it to the lab, erm, for dioxins and other harmful chemicals. when dioxins enter the food chain, they're stored in animal fats. so testing the eggs is a good way of assessing dioxin levels. if people consume it beyond a certain level, that could harm people's health. we can now reveal that testing earlier this year, found the second highest levels of dioxins in eggs ever recorded in asia — 70 times over the safe levels set by the european food safety authority. the results of our research is one of the most shocking results
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that we have ever had, especially in indonesia. we never have these kind of results before. you wouldn't get ill eating the odd egg, but long term dioxin exposure can cause reproductive and developmental problems, damage the immune system and also cause cancer. that's according to the world health organisation. while the results of the first round of testing were shocking, the sample size was small. yuyun and her team is still waiting on the results of the second round. 0n the other side of indonesia's biggest island is a village on the outskirts of jakarta, and in the middle of a fight back against unwanted plastic waste. plastic is still being banned here. but things were much worse just a few months ago.
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the situation got tense. but after discussions between local leaders and plastic traders, the biggest scale open burning of plastic stopped. and there's evidence that a change in government policy is having an impact. they've started stopping containers of household waste from entering the country. lorries line the road outside two local plastic factories, their contents seized by indonesian customs. but it remains to be seen whether the government can stop the tide of imported waste. and if they can't prevent people from burning plastic, things
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will only get worse. so what more should we, here in the uk, be doing? we can talk now to lee bell, who's one of the authors of the report mentioned in the film, who's a chemical expert for ipen, a group of organistions that works to reduce the impact of dangerous chemicals. john fuller a council leader who oversees waste for the local government association, baroness natalie bennett, former leader of the green party, and jacob hayler, executive director of the environmental services association, which represents many of the biggest waste management companies in the uk. many people at home will be shocked to think that when they put out their recycling it could end up in indonesia with the kind of pictures we have just seen. thanks, indonesia with the kind of pictures we havejust seen. thanks, chloe, and that is correct, i'm based in australia but a lot of a lot of the
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material collected for recycling is entering containers and being shipped out to indonesia as well in the same applies to the uk and other countries around the world. most people around the world would be shocked that this is the outcome of putting material into your recycling bin and not only is it ending up in other countries that do not have the capability to deal with it, it is leading to widespread food chain contamination. why is it that the waste we are putting away, carefully sorting out the recycling, is ending up sorting out the recycling, is ending up in indonesia being burned? so much of the material people putting their recycling bin so complicated. it's difficult to recycle there are 20 different sorts of plastic, and manufacturers sometimes produce products that simply cannot be re cycled products that simply cannot be recycled and why on earth have we got mobile phones where you cannot change the batteries? the councils have to deal with it. you are saying
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that this milk bottle is perfect for recycling. that semi translucent bottle is fantastic as it whizzes by oi'i bottle is fantastic as it whizzes by on the belt in the recycling centre it has a particular optical signature. when you go to a nightclub on your shirt lights up, you can use the same technique with the milk bottle and it shines up and a bit of compressed air goes in and it puts it into a special bin. that is fine for that sort of plastic but there are 19 other sorts that do not have optical signatures. you cannot have optical signatures. you cannot have them pure, and only when they are pure and uncontaminated are they worth something and can be dealt with in this country. the fact is, we don't have the capacity in this country to treat and deal with all of these materials. we export around 15 million tonnes of recycling export, and the vast majority goes to legitimate places and is treated properly. we collect three times as much paper. we would end up in landfill and that is something
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nobody wants to see. this is a demonstration of the fact that what we have is far too much waste. we have talked about throwing things away but there is no away. it has to go somewhere so what you have to do is slash the amount of materials and recycla ble is slash the amount of materials and recyclable does not mean it's going to be recyclable —— going to be recycled. we a re to be recyclable —— going to be recycled. we are calling for an end to single—use plastic packaging that we don't need which is there on the high street and we need to change oui’ high street and we need to change our systems. the supermarket and the manufacturers have to do something differently. recyclable doesn't mean it's going to be recycled. that's great for the long term but right i'iow great for the long term but right now we have packaging performing a useful function and most of it is goodin useful function and most of it is good in terms of reducing food waste and enabling sufficient logistics. nothing infuriates me more than when i see bananas in a plastic wrapper in the supermarket. it keeps for longer and it doesn't go off and you don't have to keep as many in stock. that reduces food waste which is worth more carbon than if you did
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not have the plastic wrapper. there isa not have the plastic wrapper. there is a function and a purpose, but what we need to see is more recycling facilities and better treatment here in the uk, so we need more markets in the uk. the reason this plastic gets export it is because there is no demand for it in the uk. the treasury has announced there will be a plastics tax coming in on packaging in about 2022 and that will help, but we need to do more and create demand for plastics in this country and we need to make it easier for consumers as well, building on the point from john, because he is right, it's two, catered and we to improve design to make things better design so they are more recyclable. you are talking about reducing food waste, but we have systems where supermarkets keep materials in stock all the time, so they make sure they never run out where they have long supply change and you —— huge volumes. if we had a localised system where shops acknowledge that there is a certain amount and when you have sold out, you have sold and the problem is the
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syste m you have sold and the problem is the system and the prophets and the countries that don't want to have specialist workers or greengrocers who handle and support the produce. they just want who handle and support the produce. theyjust want everything wrapped in plastic. what we need is different systems. is there a problem that people are busy, you haven't working mothers and fathers who are spinning lots of plates and they haven't really got time, or maybe they do, but you see things that says recycla ble but you see things that says recyclable in some areas. that is why we need the system changed so people don't have to make that effort. you don't have to think about it, because there is no packaging. councils have to work with the stuff residents and businesses give to us, and we are not miracle workers but we need to separate out the parts that go into the bin, into separate discrete piles, and the purer the better, the more it can be worth the more easy it is to recycle and turn into other products, and that is good for everybody. the trouble is there is so everybody. the trouble is there is so much complexity to so much of the packaging and all councils are calling on the manufacturers to make
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stuff easier to recycle and reuse and if necessary add in optical markers. you were saying when we we re markers. you were saying when we were watching the film that some people actually put nappies in the recycling bin, and not only does that contaminate your bin, it's all the neighbours on the street. so often people are trying to do the right thing but are putting a soiled nappy in the bin are not only does that negate all of your efforts because the recycling becomes worthless, it negates all the recycling done in your street and neighbourhood because that load gets rejected. a single nappy in a bale of paper reject the entire load and councils, there is a blacklist, they cannot put anything in for a full month, and it's costing an arm and a leg. and when you challenge assistant offenders they say, oh, the box said we could recycling. we are picking 400,000 nappies off the
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line, hand—picked, every year, and it goes into contamination. i appeal to all residents to minimise contamination. purer products do not need to be exported to be burned in indonesia. but if we get to reducing the waste pyramid, that is the best thing. but we are where we are. if we had cloth nappies that you wash and no throwaway disposable nappies, thatis and no throwaway disposable nappies, that is the way to go. hang on. let's be realistic. if you're a busy working mum or dad you might not have time, with the best will in the world, to go down the terry towelling route for nappies. what you need to do is there are simple services that will come and collect them ina services that will come and collect them in a bucket. i used to live in london and there was a wonderful service there that did that by b i cycle. service there that did that by bicycle. what we do is make it easy and simple for people and we need to change the system is. that's what we need to change rather than focusing oi'i need to change rather than focusing
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on individual behaviour. you can't get away from the fact that what we saw in indonesia... lee, i will bring you in on a moment. what we saw in the film is notjust morally wrong, it's legally wrong, it's not compliant. this is a small fraction of material that is exported for recycling and should not be going anywhere where it is not treated to the same standard as it would be in the same standard as it would be in the uk, so that is illegal and that is not standard market practice. go ahead, lee. i'm not so sure that is the case because there is vast volumes of material being exported from developed countries into developing countries. i don't think it's the exception. i think by and large it has become the rule. part of that is because of what is had been said before, some people getting off the hook in all of this and that is the producers of plastics. what we really need to see isa cap plastics. what we really need to see is a cap on plastics production and single—use plastics removed where they are not essential, and we need to see plastics that are made without toxic chemical additives and without toxic chemical additives and without them being constructed in such a way that they are impossible to recycle. if they can't be
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re cycled to recycle. if they can't be re cycle d or to recycle. if they can't be recycled or reused in some way, or remanufactured, they shouldn't be on the market and there is a role for government leaders in all of this to set those standards, so what we are seeing is that the producers are offsetting their costs in terms of their extended responsibility for this material onto the recycling industry, on to consumers and on to third world countries and developing countries around the world. and that is what needs to stop. thank you so much. we are almost out of time. let me read out some comments. 0ne viewer says if they choose to illegally bring the ways for profit this is not our fault. monica says what about the plastic that's burnt and incinerators in britain? the only way to tackle the problem is fine retailers for using plastic packaging, make them deal and pay for the safe disposal of what is already in circulation, if they had to deal with the cost and logistics of disposal they would $0011 logistics of disposal they would soon find alternatives. thanks so
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much for your time. more now on those figures just out which show accident and emergency units in england have recorded their worst performance against the four hour target since modern data collection began 15 years ago. responding to them, the health secretary matt hancock has said: ‘the party is giving the biggest cash boost ever to the nhs but corbyn‘s ‘chaotic policies' will put that at risk. we can talk to a woman who we'll calljulie whose mother needed emergency treatment and ended up waiting in the corridor for over six hours. labour shadow health secretaryjon as hworth labour shadow health secretaryjon ashworth has criticised the figures. we can talk to a woman we will call julie his mother needed emergency treatment and ended up waiting in the corridorfor over six treatment and ended up waiting in the corridor for over six hours. treatment and ended up waiting in the corridorfor over six hours. she staying anonymous, she wants to protect her mothers privacy. thanks for speaking to us. tell me what happened. she had of all, ambulance was called. had a gash on her head.
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went to a&e. had a quick assessment. went to a&e. had a quick assessment. we were put in the corridor. the corridor was full. there were so many people in the corridor. probably 15 in the corridor on trolleys. the trolleys were taken one at a time in. eventually it was oui’ one at a time in. eventually it was our turn. one at a time in. eventually it was ourturn. a one at a time in. eventually it was our turn. ajunior doctor one at a time in. eventually it was our turn. a junior doctor who'd been there two weeks examined her. he probably spent a minute with her. he was being supervised by another doctor. the other doctor came over. looked at her head. and said stable it, send her home. there was three of us, myself, thejunior doctor and the other doctor at her bedside. she has got dementia. they were probably
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there are 45 seconds and the whole thing was done and dusted, i was instructed to take her home. she may have condition concussion, look after her. i took a breath, i thought, you know, played it in my mind what had just taken place, we waited all the time and that was it. what effect did it have on your mum? at this point, i had been by her side for such a long time and i thought, she hasn't really turned to look at anybody speaking to her and she didn't when they were saying, sta ple she didn't when they were saying, staple her head. she was very pale and a bit sweaty. she wasn't quite herself. i really wasn't very
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co mforta ble herself. i really wasn't very comfortable taking responsibility for her overnight. and felt that we would be back there later. so i spoke to the junior doctor and said, you know, i'm not comfortable with this. i would you know, i'm not comfortable with this. iwould be you know, i'm not comfortable with this. i would be more comfortable if you x—rayed her neck and spine, i have concerns. and i'm not prepared to ta ke have concerns. and i'm not prepared to take responsibility for her tonight. so he went and spoke to the doctor because i was watching him walk over. anti—flicked his eyes and hands so he clearly wasn't happy with my request. we read on the board, which i think it's humiliating, you have to have your name in red, he came back over and said, i'm sorry, we'lljust x—ray her neck. that's all you can have. soi her neck. that's all you can have. so i said, fine, let's have that, then. so it was a long, protracted
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ordealfor both then. so it was a long, protracted ordeal for both you and your mum, is your mum 0k ordeal for both you and your mum, is your mum ok now? yes. i can tell you are bruised and battered by that experience but i am grateful to you for telling us about it, best wishes to you and your mum. we are calling that ladyjulie, to to you and your mum. we are calling that lady julie, to protect to you and your mum. we are calling that ladyjulie, to protect her mothers identity, having to wait an incredibly long time in a trolley in accident and emergency. please share your experiences in a&e with us this morning. after those new figures just released. still to come. faith based abuse is on the rise with the number of child victims in england going by more than 30% over the last three years. we'll speak to one man who came here from the congo aged just eight — his aunt and uncle subjected him to four years of such abuse because they thought he was a witch. teenage youtube star, nikki lilly was just six
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years old when she was diagnosed with an extremely rare and life changing condition. when she was eight, she started making youtube videos to boost her confidence — and now she's got around a million followers. here she is giving her mum a make—up lesson. it's really good, isn't it? what would also be interesting about this, the same thing with my sister natasha, we have quite different skin tones, i'm more fair. what do i do? blend it in. with my response? i do? blend it in. with my response? i do it with my hands. ifeel like this is me giving you a class. well, nikki is about to get a bafta to recognise her outstanding bravery and the example she sets to young people all over the world. and she's here now. so lovely to meet you, my seven and ten—year—olds are such fans, you
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symbolise, it's cool to be who you are, doesn't matter what you look like, what clothes you wear, how your hair is cut, you are you. that's true, it's so important to be no one but yourself, we live in this airbrushed world today on social media and kids are always subjected to glossy images of what they think reality is like. and social media is not reality and i think it's so important to be yourself because you know, why should you have to fit this mould of how you should be or act or look? everyone is different and everyone is unique. if we lived ina and everyone is unique. if we lived in a world where everyone looked the same and acted the same and had the same and acted the same and had the same likes, it would be a really boring world. very boring. what i find incredible about you and i've seen so many find incredible about you and i've seen so many things from you winning junior bake off, interviewing theresa may when she was prime minister, you haven'tjust got that strength yourself, you decided to put yourself out there from a really early age, eight years old. that must have been quite difficult for
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you and presumably your parents? definitely, my parents, i have a lwa ys definitely, my parents, i have always been a chatty child and i would always fill little videos on my ipad, pretend i had an american accent, and one day i filmed the video on my ipad and i had watched youtube videos and i asked my mum and dad if i could post it, more like a project for myself because i was at home a lot i was so unwell. and they were quite worried, i was eight—year—olds, my appearance was changing, i look different to what society thinks is normal, they were worried but i think they decided that if we had the comments disabled andi that if we had the comments disabled and i was just that if we had the comments disabled and i wasjust doing it that if we had the comments disabled and i was just doing it purely for fun, and they looked at the comments and things like that they realised in the long run it could be a really great thing for me and a great way for me to boost my confidence. and just turn to is escapism from my reality which was that i was quite ill. and you had been ill, you've had over 40 operations, it's incredible how you, it's a life changing condition. 0ne
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incredible how you, it's a life changing condition. one that is still difficult for you to live with, i know you have played something like that which are really challenging. have you found, you are not always going to get support on the internet, we know what it's like, have you found cruelty out there? i have, as soon as you put yourself online you are exposing yourself online you are exposing yourself to the world and you are going to get the positives with the negatives. even the most beautiful girl or guy in the world is always going to get something. i think when i first started it was a lot of you are ugly. and ugly isjust such i first started it was a lot of you are ugly. and ugly is just such a throwing around words, but it was you are ugly and back then it would get to me a lot more because my confidence was a lot lower than it is now and it's been built up through doing videos. whereas now it's kind of, i get it so often it's something that i've become immune to, almost, it is not to say it doesn't get to me but i think i've realised the people commenting horrible things, it's much more about them than it is you. it's quite sad and cowardly they feel the
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need to post horrible things to someone need to post horrible things to someone else because they are so sad in their life, someone else because they are so sad in theirlife, and someone else because they are so sad in their life, and they think if i mean to this person then hopefully i will feel better about myself and my life that i am unhappy. they would never say to your face, they say it online. they would never have the cruelty you would hope, they shouldn't say it anyway. do you get a lot of feedback from other young people, whether they've got challenges in their life or they are just a teenagerfinding challenges in their life or they are just a teenager finding it tough? you are 15, it's hard being a teenager. i think the thing my viewers like about me, especially young people, iam viewers like about me, especially young people, i am an average teenager, 15, ithink young people, i am an average teenager, 15, i think and worry about the same thing other teenagers too but i'm different. when you are a teenager you worry a lot about your appearance and things like that, i still worry about that and i've had to contend with that but i think they like although i look different i tried to i haven't tried to change myself and everyone goes through their own struggles, no one is immune to a bad day so i think they appreciate i talk about both
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sides of my life and talk about the worst. as well as the good. i think it's great that they find me relatable and they see me as a friend, that shines a positive light on their day. you are getting a special bafta for outstanding bravery, that is pretty amazing. clearly you're going to be looking forward to that but what is next to you, your forward to that but what is next to you , your career forward to that but what is next to you, your career is pretty extensive at 15? yes. gcses, my goodness, i'm so stressed. it will be fine. i would definitely like, my main focus is gcses and things like that, i'm so excited about working with bafta, such an amazing organisation and they do so much to help young children achieve their dreams. and are involved in experiences and things like that but i would also love to keep spreading my positive message. although i do have my tiny little platform on the internet i would love to keep spreading a positive message that you are enough and never give up and your life situation and how it is now it is
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not the be all and end all but i think i would love to do some more documentaries, i covered topics that affect young people whether it's social media or body confidence or mental health or global warming, climate change. i would love to do a lot more like that, i educate and show young people what the world is like now for them and also educate adults about that. so much that i wa nt to adults about that. so much that i want to do. so many avenues i could go down, i'm so excited. it's been an absolute pleasure to meet you today, as i say my kids will be so excited i've got to speak to you, best of luck and enjoy receiving your bafta. thank you so much. it's a pleasure. more rain is forecast in several areas of england hit by flooding — including in fishlake near doncaster, where hundred of people have had to leave their homes. about 200 army personnel are in south yorkshire supporting the flood effort. but how does all this play into the election campaign? the prime minister didn't get the friendliest of receptions when he arrived in the town of stainforth, near doncaster yesterday. you took your time,
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boris, ain't you? yeah, where've you been? i know. well, we've been on it round the clock, we've been on it round the clock. is there anything in particular that you'd like us to do, to...? no thank you. no? no. i'm not very happy about talking to you, so if you don't mind... you've not helped us. you should have been there, saturday morning, having a meeting, making sure that these people get the help and the support. i'm sorry, your announcement yesterday was a pittance. in a moment we'll be asking some politicans what they plan to do to tackle flooding. but first. . . let's talk to dan greenslade — he and his partner had a baby last friday and were unable to return to their home in fishlake because of the floods. also with me is dave moore — who has been helping with the relief efforts in south yorkshire and spoke to borisjohnson yesterday when he visited stainforth community centre. and james winslade — is a cattle farmer in somerset, who was badly hit
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by flooding in 2013. dan, what a few days, a mixture of emotions, your partner gave birth to a little girl on friday. it must have been incredible. and then you find out your house is flooded. yes, so thursday morning my partner went into labour. we went off to the hospital. she was in labourfor 24 hours and ended up with an emergency ca esa rea n hours and ended up with an emergency caesarean on friday morning. we'd seen caesarean on friday morning. we'd seen the rain and knew it usually gets pretty bad around fishlake when it rains heavily so we were in touch with my sister back in the village to see what it was like and she had a message from the environment agency at 5pm on friday saying there was no chance of flooding and we we re was no chance of flooding and we were all 0k was no chance of flooding and we were all ok so we were quite relieved and obviously over the moon with having the baby. so we went to sleep on friday night, trying to get some sleep after the date that we'd had. and then i got a phone call
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about midnight from my sister saying we we re about midnight from my sister saying we were underwater. and have you managed to get back to your house, have you been able to see the damage, i know you've done a lot of work to your house? yes, we only moved in three weeks ago, we spent quite a bit of money getting it ready, we'd refurbished it and got the nursery ready for the baby coming home. and we moved in three weeks ago. 0bviously coming home. and we moved in three weeks ago. obviously we haven't been able to spend a night there, i went back on monday to fishlake, i managed to get in for the first time to the village. i couldn't get into my house, it still underwater so i've not seen inside yet. to see the damage. dan, i'm so sorry to hear that. dave, you've been working at sta i nfo rth that. dave, you've been working at stainforth community centre. you spoke to borisjohnson yesterday, tell us what you said and what he says to you. the first thing we asked him, people are wondering why he hadn't attended so soon. he said
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he'd been in matlock and other places. but i said, i wish you'd have come to fishlake and seen it at its height. then you wouldn't have been spiking on television that it's not a national emergency. it certainly is. what are you intending to do about the people here? and he said well, we are making sure that all the insurance pays out. which is all the insurance pays out. which is a good idea but not everybody is insured. how are they going to get cove r? insured. how are they going to get cover? he said, well, we are cancelling the council tax, and that is big of you! and also we are going to build a bank up to stop the floods and i said, it's now we are worried about stop you donated to one half thousand pounds to
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businesses, £500 for houses. £500 in a house owned even buy a washing machine! two and a half thousand in business, that is going to go a long way, isn't it? what are you going to do. it's clear to see you feel pretty let down by the government, the authorities, by people there other than the community have stepped up massively. that is correct. we got no response from the environment agency. i was ringing the environment late friday night. we haven't got a worry. but saturday dinnertime it we haven't got a worry. but saturday dinner time it became clear that fishlake were underwater. why wasn't we want? doncaster council their workers couldn't get out to us, we will have some workers on sunday. 0n saturday, i were questioning their workers and they said, they'd only got four members of staff and they we re got four members of staff and they were employed in bentley. i said it
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wouldn't have been so bad if you'd come to fishlake but for people, all of these people were on standby, where were they? you feel let down andi where were they? you feel let down and i think our viewers can absolutely understand why you might feel like that. james, you are a cattle farmer in somerset and you we re cattle farmer in somerset and you were badly affected by flooding in 2013, 14? do you feel that some of the promises that were made to you back then haven't been delivered on? well, in somerset, my form flooded in 2012, 2013, 2014. my parents house, my house, and my farm workers cottage flooded along with 200 other houses. we managed to get enough pressure and we managed to change the way the rivers are being looked
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after, through the somerset rivers authority and now there is more and more maintenance being done because it was a man—made river, very much so it was a man—made river, very much so the same in lincolnshire and doncaster. no maintenance had been done here for 25 years. now we are actually doing maintenance and there's been a complete change of mindset in somerset. which it would have been nice to have had that across the whole of the country. the trouble is once the environment agency, as they did in somerset, say it's a risk to life, none of the agencies can then go in to help so it's all locals and farmers that are staying and helping to get stuff done. you know, the problem is that asa done. you know, the problem is that as a farmer, the environment agency flood our land without asking, without any conversation. so we
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do you feel you were sacrificed? yes, yes, completely. iwas paying, we bought land and i was still paying the mortgage on the land for six months, it was underwater. with no compensation to the crops upper in the ground and what you've got to bearin in the ground and what you've got to bear in mind, also come in somerset, we we re bear in mind, also come in somerset, we were having a problem with the environment agency wouldn't let the river be dredged because of ecology, because of the wildlife in the river banks. but you look, we had 32,000 acres under in somerset. and there's acres under in somerset. and there's a sort of similar acreage in lincolnshire and doncaster underwater. what happens to wildlife and all of that land? when the water went, we had wildlife bodies all over the place. and it's so upsetting to see, by not maintaining and dredging 1% of the area which
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would be the river, you actually james, forgive me, there's a slight delay on the line but that point you raise about the animals bodies afterwards, many people wouldn't even think about that, thanks so much for speaking to us today and explaining that. we can speak to louise hague, she willjoin us in a moment and the former leader of the green party natalie bennett still with us. ranks were staying. am i right in thinking you went to parts of sheffield yesterday?” right in thinking you went to parts of sheffield yesterday? i live in sheffield. i have to say sorry to the people of doncaster because there is a very strong local feeling which is probably correct, flood defences built in sheffield after the 2007 floods pushed water towards doncaster. fishlake was sacrificed to save sheffield? i think what's happening is we have to acknowledge the water has to go somewhere, building more defences isn't the answer, we have to look at much broader issues of land use, the buzz phrase is slow the flow on the
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uplands around sheffield and in that area there is lots of driven grouse moors which is a land use that has real impact on water rushing from the mirrors quickly, we've got to look at slowing the flow in cities, looking at things like reducing the amount of land concreted over, try and protect green spaces and trees. we need to look at much broader themes, there's only so much you can do by building walls, we are in a climate emergency, the weather is more extreme, we can'tjust keep building walls higher. let's bring in louise hague, it's also worth pointing out we asked the conservatives to come on and have a conversation with us but they didn't put anyone forward but louise is with us from the labour party. jeremy corbyn has been scathing about the conservative response to this, he says if this had happened in syria it would be a national emergency, there was severe flooding in surrey in 2014, was at a national emergency there? —— if this had happened in surrey. flood investment is over twice as much in london in
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the south—east then it is here, infrastructure investment generally is much greater in london in the south—east and boris johnson is much greater in london in the south—east and borisjohnson himself said last week that this wasn't a national emergency. you've heard from people personally affected, you will speak to many hundreds of businesses that have been devastated by the floods here. tell them this isn't a national emergency. i think people feel very badly let down by the government response over the la st the government response over the last week. but the problem with that is its very easy isn't it to criticise, some people would say that it borisjohnson had turned up on the first day of the floods during an election campaign, he would have been criticised for making itan would have been criticised for making it an election issue and trying to score political points. he turns upa trying to score political points. he turns up a few days later he is also criticised, there is an argument that it's a no—win situation. criticised, there is an argument that it's a no—win situationlj criticised, there is an argument that it's a no-win situation. i mean it's a no—win situation the people whose houses and lives have been devastated and people don't want to hear party political point scoring here, people want to have reassurance that investment is going
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to take place and that action will be taken so this doesn't happen again. unfortunately, people '5 houses have been repeatedly flooded over the last several years, this happened in 2007, it's happening again now in south yorkshire and across the rest of yorkshire and derbyshire. so people need to hear what action people are going to take. labour have committed five and a half billion pounds with the flood investment. let's talk about flood investment. let's talk about flood investment. if you are looking at the bbc reality check team they don't number crunching for us as they have been throughout the course of the selection to help people understand the truth of the matter. in england, flood and coastal erosion risk management showed £3.37 billion of central government money was paid out under the coalition, comparing to 3.17 billion during the previous five years under the labour party so actually these are older figures i appreciate but it shows has been investment by the conservative party under the coalition. i want to bring in natalie, one of the problems here is
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and it's been raised by the environment analyst the bbc, flood problems aren't easily fixed, we have unpredictable weather as you said yourself, climate change potentially playing an issue. is there a concern that public anger can lead to money being spent possibly in the wrong areas because it is so unpredictable?” possibly in the wrong areas because it is so unpredictable? i think what we've got to do is focus on thinking about how all of our land is used. the slow the flow message, that means we can just say we the slow the flow message, that means we can just say we are the slow the flow message, that means we can just say we are going to build a wall here or do that, we have to say people cannot own land and manage land and use land in ways that puts the lives of their neighbours and their livelihoods at risk so we need a total change in the way we manage land in britain in this climate emergency. what would you say, louise, is the sensible approach going forward? because there is that concern, isn't there, when there is average money can be spent possibly in the wrong areas? and it actually won't solve the issue because of the
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unpredictability? we got to think about preventing climate change and tackling the climate emergency and the climate crisis we are in as natalie has said. a month '5 worth of rain fell in 24 hours. last week in sheffield and across yorkshire. that should only happen once a century and it's happened twice in 12 years, that's the result of the climate crisis we need to be investing and preventing climate change and tackling and reducing carbon emissions and that's exactly why the labour party has put the green new deal at the heart of the manifesto and why we are trying to make this a climate crisis election because that puts it at the top of the political agenda so as well as investing in flood defences and infrastructure, we need to make sure we are preventing and mitigating climate change happening as well. briefly, natalie, do you get a sense living in sheppey that people feel there's less for people and their oath of england compared to the south? absolutely, very much so but we have to look at what we are doing
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locally, sheffield, doncaster airport is the one in the country that's planning to have the greatest expansion, we cannot have airport expansion, we cannot have airport expansion, we cannot have airport expansion, we talked about as louise said the need to cut carbon emissions if we cannot be expanding the airport, we have to act locally, nationally and internationally in this climate emergency. we have to put this at the centre, you started with the question about the election campaign, this is the climate election, the ipcc tells us we have 11 years election, the ipcc tells us we have 11 yea rs left, election, the ipcc tells us we have 11 years left, we have to act now, can't wait. natalie and louise, thank you both. we did ask the conservatives to put someone up but they weren't able to. lots of people getting in touch about their experiences of the nhs. 0ne getting in touch about their experiences of the nhs. one theory says i work in a busy emergency department and for me, the reason the waiting times have increased our patient‘s expectations and a lack of common sense. lack of gp out—of—hours services and there is a lack of family that will help their loved ones. that is from an exhausted nurse. we are an amazing team, how about price, love to
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eve ryo ne team, how about price, love to everyone working in the nhs. and another beer says i went to hospital a&e with chronic stomach pains, left infour a&e with chronic stomach pains, left in four hours for flood to pay —— floods of tears with the pain, no one asked me if they were able to help. i have a page full of text, sorry we can't get through them but thanks so much for sharing your experiences throughout the course of the programme. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. hello. further rain in the forecast for some of the areas that's flooding recently. we've also seen some snow this morning, courtesy of the same weather front that's pivoting as we move through the day. eastern areas it's working a little bit further north, in the south and
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west it's going south. as we go through the afternoon further outbreaks of heavy rain for the midlands, it will be drier and brighter but the risk of a few short showers in the south—east and some sunny spells for the north but also some sharp and potentially wintry showers over high ground, feeling cool across the board particularly when you add in the brisk north north—easterly breeze. as we go through this evening and overnight at the rain still with us, gradually working further north and east, feeding through four parts of wales and the south—west, tending to fade away as the day wears on. where we have clear spells on the far north that allows the temperatures to dip away but fairly cloudy further south, that will help temperatures from falling. moving into tomorrow, england and wales have a cloudy day which a the best of the brightness in the north west.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: doctors warn hospitals are imploding as delays in a&e in england hit their worst recorded level with more patients than ever on hospital waiting lists. the conservatives say they'll cut "immigration overall" to the uk after brexit if they win the election — but they after brexit if they win the election — but they won't give any targets. meanwhile, labour is promising to close the gender pay gap by 2030. rain is falling in south yorkshire and parts of the east midlands. yellow warnings are in place meaning floodwater could cause a danger to life. the outgoing european council president, donald tusk, is urging british voters not to give up on stopping brexit.
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