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‘ signed off on the they signed off on the withdrawal agreement inside like this.” they signed off on the withdrawal agreement inside like this. i know there will be difficult days ahead, this is a decision which will come under intense scrutiny and that is entirely as it should be an entirely understandable. but the choice was that this deal, which enables us to ta ke that this deal, which enables us to take back control and to build a brighter future take back control and to build a brighterfuture for our take back control and to build a brighter future for our country are going back to square one with more division, more uncertainty as a failure to deliver on the referendum. happy birthday to the initial withdrawal agreement.
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on the outskirts of edinburgh. this is quite nice. adam, by your side. right, the big story. we are altogether. you are here in spirit and in van. the big story of the election campaign today is that borisjohnson election campaign today is that boris johnson wants election campaign today is that borisjohnson wants the election campaign today is that boris johnson wants the free movement, who will do what after brexit and i think it was summed up with the conservative position in the brexit secretary was talking about football. how many people put foot ball about football. how many people put football and the new brexit deal together. one of
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rather to the field of, a week into the campaign, we must do some social media, i know he has his phone and he's in the constituency office and talking about the premier league, i am not sure if i was wiser than i was at the beginning of it and in terms of both what the conservatives ofan terms of both what the conservatives of an singlet immigration and labour, is that one of the consequences of labour, is that one of the consequences of the imminence of brexit is that parties have to decide what they want to say about immigration and the two big parties are both kind of, picking their
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language pretty carefully around it. weatherby boris johnson, language pretty carefully around it. weatherby borisjohnson, patel language pretty carefully around it. weatherby boris johnson, patel on the conservative side were jeremy corbyn on the labour side and in scotland where you are. that is absolutely right in the really interesting thing about it this time around is that the two parties genuinely have very different approaches because the tories, who wa nt to approaches because the tories, who want to say the european union after brexit in january would be want to say the european union after brexit injanuary would be able to come as they would say, take back control have a system where the uk's making decisions over who can come and who cannot and it would and free movement. on the other side of this labour party saying that they do not wa nt to labour party saying that they do not want to have another referendum and if the referendum meant the referendum meant he stated income of course would be amended eu immigration because that is being a pa rt immigration because that is being a part of the european union but if not, they still kinda believe in freedom of movement and they want to make it easier for people to bring family members here to do family reunions. but as you say, chris, those parties have been getting a
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bit snarled up talking about today. he asked jeremy corbyn loads of times of the things immigration should be higher or lower, he would not say. a colleagues asked if they wa nt to not say. a colleagues asked if they want to cut immigration, she kept on going on about control. in the way exceeded its labour does not want people to think... thinking overnight, this send out a press release saying that they did want to cut immigration because they do but the tories do not want voters to think that they are really mean in ha rd think that they are really mean in hard want to slam the door on everyone. labour doesn't want voters to think that they will open the door they run. so exactly as you said, they're both tripping over the bit because they know it is such a big issue for loads of voters. and this phrase about the australian point system for immigration, this keeps on getting wheeled out the conservative side and does everybody understand, and the general public what is meant by that because
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there's quite a lot of controversy around the phrase too? a smidgen of detail of what that might mean what it might not. seeing less negative this morning about having a decent grasp of england saying that it was all about skills gaps in the economy because that is the curiosity. some people talk about reducing unskilled immigration but of the government which to conclude that they need people to pick fruit, they could be skill that was required for a labour market that needed filling rather thanjust being market that needed filling rather than just being a market that needed filling rather thanjust being a qualified rain surgeon. thanjust being a qualified rain surgeon. was there a salary limit at that point. the experts, everyone was. jeremy corbyn's meeting in scotland, what was the big thing that he said in the sit down?” think for me the most interesting thing was how he just did not want
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to go there on immigration, just as we we re to go there on immigration, just as we were discussing. another thing i put them was on the brexit cast, the agony over how labour has moved to this position of offering another referendum, but not wanting to say which way they would go around, and we are in an election and in the last election labour used the phrase in their manifesto that they accepted the result. so i wanted to ask him if you thought that he was maybe breaking a promise? does need a change of heart on brexit undermine people's trust?|j brexit undermine people's trust?” think what we have done is a sensible approach. i recognised by people voted to remain in why people voted to leave. in different parts of the country and for different reasons. in my communities, but also all across the country. i also
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recognise that a new deal exit from the eu would be catastrophic in many ways. there was a deal on the table that you could've voted for. you may people a promise in 2017 and you have not stuck to it and doesn't that matter? the promise i made was that matter? the promise i made was that we will respect the results of the referendum. accepting the results of the referendum. and we have done that we have had many meetings about the issues and will the possibilities of remaining order form and so on, as well as leave what we have come to the conclusion of the that the party has been put to the electorate and the labour government being elected on the december the 12th will within three months negotiated with the eu and negotiate but which can lead the eu but protect market rates and the good friday agreement which is absolutely crucial and put that along remain in referendum. absolutely crucial and put that along remain in referendumm
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absolutely crucial and put that along remain in referendum. if you area labour along remain in referendum. if you are a labour candidate having lots of labour candidates that i've spoken to before the election and since the campaign, they are getting it back on the doors and voting areas where they have some people perceiving that they went back on their promise and they could be a big problem for them this campaign. we are asking brexit cast in social media for their questions on the whole issue of the election and what might happen afterwards and i think we can take a quick listen to one now. i just we can take a quick listen to one now. ijust wondered how likely are the eu to accept a new view negotiated deal from the labour government? he said it was not very realistic but it will be up to the new commission and frankly, the eu leaders to decide and if we look back at these negotiations, the eu always said that it would change its redline if the uk changed its
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redline if the uk changed its redline and it's always in the eu's interest at the uk as close as possible, if not inside the eu. if labour comes along and says you know what, we think we need to have brexit, we need to negotiate a brexit, we need to negotiate a brexit deal anyway and put into another referendum, we are in favour ofa another referendum, we are in favour of a much softer brexit, much closer to the single market, part of the customs union and so on and i think the eu leaders will say ok. the fact that they said they will not reopen, they always say they will not reopen, but i will keep this brief, when out of school we hated it. we also want to get rid of school uniform and we were told that the reason you have school uniform is because then you can rebel against something quite minimal as opposed to having lots of freedom to take, serve the eu will not reopen the withdrawal agreement if it does, people say they're broken their word, but actually on substance, so far they have not given away that much. and this would be their
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interests, the eu compromises when it's in its own interest. and this is why it cannot with the manifesto because the actual detail of what the new deal will look like her quite sketchy. you know the outlines in the big themes, single market relations and customs union but how would that work in practice? the timeframe with which to reduce the number. a word of warning though, i am not sure that the manifesto is going to be encyclopaedia like. i think it is going to be more like a pamphlet than war and peace and also on free movement, it is worth pointing out that even if the conservatives win a majority in coming to government past this brexit deal, when it comes to trade negotiations you can expect it all right back on the table because what
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does the eu one from the uk when it comes to trade negotiations. the eu wants access for their fishermen to uk waters and they want access to the uk labour market as well for their workers. so you may say goodbye to the end ofjanuary, if that comes to pass he was a hello again to the issue when it comes to trade negotiations. and on the other countries that have migration issues in return for other elements and stop by and think of the national foot ball stop by and think of the national football players? what we know what they are and are not doing in this election. they're not going to stay in the seats but they are going to stand elsewhere and the local candidate deciding not to. you will find pretty soon when we have a full grid of who was standing where, let us grid of who was standing where, let us take a listen to nigel faraj.
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three and a half years now of former prime ministers, the labour party and the liberal democrats actually saying that they want to effectively overturn the greatest democratic exercise in the history of our nation. what we are not having it and we're going to stand up and we're going to fight labour in every seat in this country. the curiosity here is that it was kind of a logic to the brexit party saying that we're going to say that the brexit deal is rubbish and we are not going to stand hardly anywhere because borisjohnson needs to to stand hardly anywhere because boris johnson needs to get a majority for brexit to be delivered. and then concluding position seems to sit awkwardly between those two. very irritating to the conservatives, if you really wants to get brexit done, why is he pulling out of those marginal seats? in these candidates, i would not be surprised if somewhere brexit party
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candidates stood down in the next couple of weeks and i think nigel fa raj is couple of weeks and i think nigel faraj is cross, i think he is really crossed a think that the brexit party are disappointed because a couple months ago, they wanted to shake up the whole system to com pletely shake up the whole system to completely transform everything, remember they came first in the european elections but what we are at the moment in this general election campaign, as the great professor said today, show me a seat would actually think the brexit party might be victorious. and considering a lot of people who have moved towards the brexit party of former labour voters, people turning away from the brexit party as the polls are suggesting at the moment, are those people, even if they voted leave or in favour brexit, are they likely to go to the conservatives? 0r likely to go to the conservatives? orthe likely to go to the conservatives? or the more likely to go back to their original home, labour. how can one know which way they go if they leave? on one hand nigel farage is
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making the big play about how dangerous he can be to labour and on the other hand a lot of number crunching has been done by people in the past throughout his have suggested that the brexit party took more votes from the conservatives than they did for labour. and on the opinion poll point, the curiosity is that some of these opinion polls look like they're going to be standing in the brexit party everywhere, including scotland and wales it over the last few days, thatis wales it over the last few days, that is going to be the case seek and see how much you can read into that. it gets even more complicated because you have the unite to remain in the remaining party, and in his comely of these individual races we re comely of these individual races were high—profile people will be standing and intended to get people in the parties who have done deals or not done deals, some of their rejected deals are standing in that independence. so they're kind of going all over the place and i realise that you mean it's about 600
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different elections, probably 540 different elections, probably 540 different elections. that is why all of that is why this election is com pletely of that is why this election is completely fascinating and com pletely completely fascinating and completely unpredictable and very ha rd to completely unpredictable and very hard to read. that said, it is clear that the brexit party is more likely to ta ke that the brexit party is more likely to take votes from conservatives than from labour voters, but we know it is absolutely essential to the tory strategy. it's just hard to get those disgruntled labour leaders in places like parts of the mittens and parts of the northeast, that is their target and that is who they are going after that is the gamble because number ten and tory ho, they reckon that we might be looking at this big alignment where people identify more with leave francis remained and they did tory labour, but it was a huge gamble. let's get another brexit question. a little bit speculative. my question is, if
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the result is a hung parliament with the result is a hung parliament with the conservatives is the largest party, who partnering with the dup be much harder because they are strongly against borisjohnson's brexit deal? and also, i think you guys brexit deal? and also, i think you guys are brexit deal? and also, i think you guys are amazing. goodbye. brexit deal? and also, i think you guys are amazing. goodbye! brexit deal? and also, i think you guys are amazing. goodbye. a hard question. it sounds like you had an inside but it was coming in the kind of question those coming out.” think my answer to that, it is usually speculative but, when to be virtually impossible for a tory party government without a majority can now do a deal with the dup when the dup are so unhappy about what happened to the ireland protocol and withdrawal agreement? and negotiated again with the eu. it would be...
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u nless again with the eu. it would be... unless boris johnson said again with the eu. it would be... unless borisjohnson said i will undo the deal that ijust knew that ifigo undo the deal that ijust knew that if i go back to brussels with arlene foster, i think that would be pretty tricky and there's a lot of that feeling there too but never say neverin feeling there too but never say never in this process. never say never in this process. never say never to anything at all, never say never to anything at all, never say never to anything at all, never say never to sweep... donald tusk, he did a big speech last night which was his last set piece speech before he leaves the europa building in brussels at the end of this month. things only become irreversible and people start to think so. so the only words that come to my mind
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is almost like she knew it we are starting the podcast with. will not sing don't give up but donald tusk had seen that he had sort of given up had seen that he had sort of given up hope and he also went on again about staying with the ball, after brexit he says the uk would become a second—rate player brexit he says the uk would become a second— rate player and brexit he says the uk would become a second—rate player and he did not just leave that in his own words, he saidi just leave that in his own words, he said i heard that when i went to india and listen to a whole lot of other countries. just to see the donald tusk and his parting words, he does notjust, he had a good go at brexit and emmanuel macron as well. what was he the french president? -- saying about. put it this way, donald tusk is polish and france and poland have very different ideas on defence relation with need a relationship with russia at the moment and how to approach
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vladimir putin. we have a bit of breaking news about the absent, invisible uk nominee because...m the last summative eu leaders, the uk agreed to communicate which they would have to nominate a new commissioner if there was still in the block and even if the uk were to leave on the 31st ofjanuary, we are supposed to say look, this is our suggestion for a new commissioner and wise that was mike because jean—claude is about to leave and you're about to have a brand—new commission in the uk. borisjohnson said you cannot do that because we are in the middle ofan said you cannot do that because we are in the middle of an election campaign but the european commission under eu law said that they do need to give us a commissioner and so it is going to get legal. there's more
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than a smidgen of politics in this because from the government perspective. the conservatives want to be able to save will be done with them very soon survive we want to send a commissioner and hide behind this thing about an election campaign say that this is an political appointment and who knows, we might lose the election or be up to the next commissioner what to do. borisjohnson said he would never send a commissioner so he wants to stick to that. the thing i do not get about it is of the kaepernick guidelines sing in black and white on page 36 paragraph ten, it is really clearly that we should not do this during an election period and other countries and made a similar decision in years gone by. i don't really know, other than maybe both sides want to have a bit of a row about it. and another thing about it
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is it is only 11 days, so it may ta ke is it is only 11 days, so it may take both sides to continue having a bit of a spat about it. but it is interesting in does tell you that which is more important, the uk law that says you cannot do this by uk government regulation or the eu law. it is the eu law because it is that their treaties say but that is something for the courts to fight.” was teasing. this is the incoming commission, if they are embarrassed anyway, such as by the uk they are delaying and taking the position, it has been all sorts of embarrassments and awkwardness and complications around different countries, including france and yes, i think there's an element of theatre and the commission would be able to work
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without the uk and by the way the treaty looks at narrowing down the numbers of commissioners anyway to two thirds of the number below, i would not even going to lie about how that is not. 1.2m about phil hogan, he is going to be the commissionerfor trade in hogan, he is going to be the commissioner for trade in the incoming commission and he is smiling. very outspoken, he said something yesterday that on the one hand helped boris johnson something yesterday that on the one hand helped borisjohnson on the other and hand helped borisjohnson on the otherand did hand helped borisjohnson on the other and did not really. he said he could deftly start every tree negotiation by st patrick's day and yes, it can be conducted quickly because we have so much in common already with the rules and regulations, so big mark for boris johnson there. and he did add, because of course, the ut would be signing up to the eu norms and regulations because uk voters would
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not want to reduce their rights. that is not necessarily would boris johnson wants to do because remember all the talk about level playing fields and so on. you cannot do a quick trade deal when the devil will be in all of the details realistically speaking. let us do the traditional thing about looking ahead and we have lost laura by the looks of it. laura, i think we have lost you, the car park is given up on you. i thinki have lost lost you, the car park is given up on you. i think i have lost myself. but i will be back next week because it is manifesto next week so, goodbye. i can wear manifesto. this is where they say, next week, it is halloween week. is manifesto week!
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saturday, we are getting together to actually... anything else you want to point out? we may find out, since he talked about the commission that they will see about the commission that they will see the year out with us as opposed to handing out to the new commissioner with the new uk commission or not and it has already been extended, my friend. yes, as was the start of the 1st of november, so kicking that can down the road. and you'll build to listen toa the road. and you'll build to listen to a fresh episode of the almost daily podcast about the thrills and spills the election campaign goodbye everyone.
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hello. it is time to take a look at what the weather of the week ahead, and we have seen double the amount of rent to we have normally seen because it will be good to see signs ofa because it will be good to see signs of a letter about the moment it is still looking and settle with this cloud on thursday and thursday night rain and debris of low pressure towards the south, but not to strain either because we have that arctic northeasterly, we actually saw in southern areas, the first snowfall of the season have relatively low levels we're looking to continue to see cold air across the uk and for your fried into the weekend but slightly less court if you like so there is no risk mostly for the hills i think, but still, it will
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feel cold. and another bit of rain led to significant rises in the flood warnings in hazardous conditions as well if you're travelling with the spray in the standing water because it has been so wet of lately. of them was showering through friday it is still with us in that band is just meandering a little bit further westwards from brightest guys following him behind but there is a potential for more following him behind but there is a potentialfor more rain into following him behind but there is a potential for more rain into eastern areas possibly into the mid—area later in the day, so the dry and bright weather continues on scotland but it will still hold the north easterly wind, not destroy its thursday but still feeling really chilly. in friday evening, it progresses further westwards again, so alleviating too many frost worries, from the north and the northwestern of northern ireland has some icy patches is to start saturday morning. so for the weekend, it is a bit missing that we have low pressure with this meandering around in the weather front is not only coming from the west and still that northerly wind
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prevails so it stays cold and have a lot of cloud with us and also some rain at times, particularly for those two weather fronts close by in the chilly start to the end of the clear skies across the north and west but it does look as though we will see cloudier weather coming in here that the day as well as showers coming in from the east. hit and miss as to how much rain you've got, it does not look like a wash—out of the state but according cloudy warily, probably a bit more rain on sunday. again, very quick to get the details of the moment it could be that heavier rain is around and potentially central areas once again, but the devil is in the details and we will keep you up—to—date on the day today details, this five to nine celsius. some we hope by the time you get to monday because this area of high pressure does not and particularly to the west and does not and particularly to the westand again, does not and particularly to the west and again, not exactly where we need to be put it may limit the rainfall but there will still be some rainfall in the form showers further east and easing away potentially later in the day, but
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for many some sunshine coming through in the wintry feeling since because again we are struggling with their temperatures, there will be below average is a go evening to tuesday which is when we think we will start to see the change in the transition to atlantic air to southerly winds. initially, because the air is so cold, will see some snow on the hills but we are going to revert to the atlantic weather system coming in from the west by the militant end of next week. but again, it does not look like is going to make much progress, but it still rain as you can see more likely in western and areas but it looks like it will start to see temperatures recovering from above average and pushing that warmer air further northwards. still an u nsu btle further northwards. still an unsubtle picture is moving to next week to keep up—to—date on the warnings, please add to the website.
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under huge pressure — the nhs is facing a bleak winter, as hospital waiting times in england hit their worst levels on record. key targets for a&e and cancer treatment are missed again, and almost 4.5 million people are now waiting for routine operations. one woman says her father died after waiting for six hours on a hospital trolley in accident and emergency. i do believe that if i had been listened to and he was seen, then he would still be here. the monthly a&e figures — the last before the election — are from october, before winter had even set in. also tonight... labour promises free broadband for all as it plans to nationalise large parts of bt — if it wins the election.

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