tv Electioncast BBC News November 18, 2019 8:30pm-9:01pm GMT
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hello there everyone, are you ready for monday night's addition as electioncast? i hope so, i for monday night's addition as electioncast? i hope so, lam. will be to sky discovery today is if you have an admin calendar and open the first today, you up in the last and had the last sweetie or chocolate on election eve on the 11th of december, how cool is that? it will
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spoil the advent calendar for christmas but anyway your choice.. you do not have to deal at. the big set piece event today is the conference held in london, the cpi for the british industry. three prydie readers where there and so was our political editor. i asked herfor her thoughts was our political editor. i asked her for her thoughts earlier on today and we started off by talking about the speech from boris johnson. he gave basically his stump slash after dinner speech but there was a new policy and it which was to cancel the planned cut incorporation tax. he said to keep more money for the nhs. further quits and -- cuts and corporation tax and before you find the —— storm the stage and protest, before you stormed the stage, let me remind you... this
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saves the £6 billion that we can put to the priorities of british people. we cut at the lowest amount and the alternative isjeremy we cut at the lowest amount and the alternative is jeremy corbyn who would record it straight up to the highest levels of your app. the interesting thing about that is the first result of the budget for day—to—day spending any year which means if you want to spend more on staff and here you have to balance that by saving or reduction and spain being somewhere else because the new physical rule is that you cannot spend more than you are taking and. the other thing is he said this, you can find ways of cutting taxation. every time the tax has been cut and the country, and produce more revenue, who said that? i should go through the motions, who said that? boris johnson on the 5th ofjuly. so said that? boris johnson on the 5th of july. so boris said that? boris johnson on the 5th ofjuly. so boris johnson said that? boris johnson on the 5th ofjuly. so borisjohnson is essentially saying i will cancel a
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tax cut for business to save money but when they were going to do the tax cut they said it would make more money. a revenue raisers. candace things both be true? not really. and has long been a dividing line between the labour and tory party. if you cut taxes and means business gets more money so if you cut taxes and means business gets more money so proportionately you end up getting more tax back into the country's conference but labour party says if you cut taxes and that means we have left cash to spend on good and services. but they cannot be attained at the same time but as you say the minister instead of saying we will cancel this cut for now means that it is money that for now means that it is money that for now means that it is money that for now the treasury has not going to give to business, does that make sense? the other thing that does not make sense is by historical standards are corporation tax rates is really low. is19% at
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standards are corporation tax rates is really low. is 1996 at the moment is really low. is1996 at the moment and was going to go down to 17. and still very low compared to other countries. boris johnson got a date and add jeremy corbyn as he does and every 35 seconds and his stump speech. jeremy corbyn made a little 939 speech. jeremy corbyn made a little gag thing still a warm up man for warming you allup gag thing still a warm up man for warming you all up for me and he suppose he thought the cbi audience we need warming up before he came on and spoke because he has raised a lot of eyebrows has and he. yes and there are lots of things that they plan to do that the business community did not really like and they are really unhappy about how tories handled brexit and the uncertainty and the agony that has gone on for the last two years. it is not like boris johnson gone on for the last two years. it is not like borisjohnson was welcomed as a prodigal son but in big business there is a lot of nervousness of stomach particularly about nationalizations and other planes at the labour party has, a bake intervention in market. this is
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presumably why jeremy corbyn bake intervention in market. this is presumably whyjeremy corbyn said that it is not anti—business to be against poverty pay, it is not is meant to say that corporation should pay their taxesjust as meant to say that corporation should pay their taxes just as smaller companies do. it is not anti—business to want prosperity and every part of our country, not only in the financial centres of the city of london. like a remake of what jeremy corbyn had to say? his big announcement with all of the climate apprentices. you look at what is actually behind it and it is not quite what is in the headlines but we will see with the labour ma nifested we will see with the labour manifested this week as we had this morning the labour party is making a big push on environmental policies and what they call their green industrial revolution and i think, a bit like when the previous government introduced or tried to really change up apprenticeships and try to encourage businesses to take
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on apprentices, there is always warm feelings for the notion and principle behind it. but then they tend to get very cross and upset about the government handling of it and the current government has kind of become bureaucratic and a lot of people in the business community did not like it and that is one of the reasons why they look at the interventions that they want to make. when we trust as they see it, with the private sector want to trust the public sector and i was talking to a big group of businesspeople at the cbi this morning and i have to say there is a lot of real concern about the main parties and about how labour would spread into the private sector and how drastic, radical and popular their proposals are. and their is anxiety of if there is a tory majority and we come out of the eu but they fear we might be in a position where we will be looking at
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maybe reading without a deal, if the trade deal cannot be done at the time. and she turned up after lunch and told her story about her favourite entrepreneur and i pictured her doing what me and all my school friends we do over the weekend which is to go to the shops and... obviously i would not go into the body shop as a boy but she was talking about that. do you think ever route one point not to be self—indulgent or anything on a podcast that you and me and just swenson were all at the body shop in glasgow at different ages?m swenson were all at the body shop in glasgow at different ages? it is quite likely in fact. she did not just talk about the body shop but she talked about the other be worried. the liberal democrats are the natural party of business. with the natural party of business. with the conservatives in the pocket of nigel farage and jeremy corbyn stuck in the 19705, we nigel farage and jeremy corbyn 5tuck in the 19705, we are the only ones standing up foryou.
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in the 19705, we are the only ones standing up for you. we believe that any form of brexit, whether it is ha rd any form of brexit, whether it is hard or soft, blue or red, will be bad forjobs. bad for business. and bad forjobs. bad for business. and bad forjobs. bad for business. and bad for our public service as. she made an announcement about replacing the business rates with a commercial property levies. you have been speaking to businesspeople today, what does that mean? unless you run a business you have no idea what business rates actually are or what the charges are and what the big deal is? they have gone up an awful lot for businesses around the country in one of the problems has been that business rate revenue is shared between central government and local government and it is absolutely true an issue in the selection that local authority budgets have really had a hard time. in some places not surprisingly, they had put up the business rates to make up for the difference in the tories are talking about having a big reveal of business rates in the lib dems have this other policy of replacing them. and i think when you
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talk about business, they want to know what is happening and they do not want reviews, they want decisions and they want to know and i think that is where it is interesting where you see a lib dems leader taking a big role at something like the cbi conference which is not something necessarily you see and they think for a lot of business actually they have the best policy because as we know a lot of people who ran particularly big businesses are unhappy about brexit. does this feed into the whole thing about campaigning to be prime minister rather than just a sort of walk on part? i think that is right and she gets to the cbi and i think we are also seeing lib dems being a bit squeezed which always happen and campaigns to an extent, where it becomes a question of who is actually going to be the prime minister. we talked before about how iama minister. we talked before about how i am a candidate to be prime minister and i i am a candidate to be prime ministerand i am i am a candidate to be prime minister and i am standing here with ambition and the reason for that is they want to look like they are really credible and not look like a bit player. interesting looking at the cbi because how did the cbi themselves get involved in the
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election today? how did they as the voice of big business, which is not all business... i think they are trying very hard not to, they are meant to be party political but they do take positions. and i suppose evenif do take positions. and i suppose even if you look as soon as or up and back before both of the main leaders finished speaking, there is a press release saying here is our response to it. i suppose if you are being really great about it, they probably gave the tories sort of seven out of ten and labour it may be about four out of ten but even me saying that, anyone from the cbi press office lessening, where the boss of the cbi, they will say don't say that and they tried very —— try to very carefully not to be party political. in any shape or form. some will say they have been really political at times. but it is like anything, the interesting thing with anything, the interesting thing with any lobby group, whether it is a
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business trip or a charity or whether it is... you know, they have to be very careful about exactly where they placed their tips i suppose. lets bring in another colourful character. jennifer curry, that tech entrepreneur. i am very worried about talking about who she is or what she was involved... everyone knows who she is. who knows borisjohnson everyone knows who she is. who knows boris johnson and knew everyone knows who she is. who knows borisjohnson and knew him over a period of years when she was working asa period of years when she was working as a tech entrepreneur in london and he was the mayor of london and . and gave him tech lessons according to her. you texted him la st according to her. you texted him last week? linkage is a hand dominant in the text? he hung up on me andl dominant in the text? he hung up on me and i asked why did you block me, click. i called back, called back
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andl click. i called back, called back and i was like really am i going to have to do this? call back, call back and i was passing it over and i was like this is ridiculous. said that was the latest bit of gossip. doing lots of media interviews. the point about this as there was a serious allegation here which was that she got access to trade tips and public funding because of her relationship whatever it was to hanan that has always been denied by borisjohnson hanan that has always been denied by boris johnson and denied hanan that has always been denied by borisjohnson and denied by the conservatives and i think they had to deny it again this afternoon. there is a from the conservative party, saying any claims of impropriety are untrue and unfounded. we state that they aren't motivated attacks from the labour party in city hall and unfounded allegations against the prime minister have been thrown out by the courts and independent review by the government internal audit agency showed that claims made by the labour party about her company were false. so, that is or maybe and
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those are clearly he said, she said going on in all of this and what is clear is that the conservatives would rather not be talking about this and they wouldn't rather not have to respond to allegations from someone from the prime minister's past, that is very clear. i think there is a wider question, whatever really happened —— whether it happened or not, we are in an election where personal allegations play or not. traditionally conventional wisdom which is very often wrong, for a politician like wesjohnson, often wrong, for a politician like wes johnson, these often wrong, for a politician like wesjohnson, these kinds of things are fake and, as it a surprise to anybody when something, some colourful allegation from his past p°p5 colourful allegation from his past pops up, and not necessarily. not to be clear, seeking to defend or i am not making defending orjustifying anything that may or may not have happened in this case but there is a thing for politicians of any stripe or colour that if an allegation is made to similar things that have been said about mpeg—4, is that actually going to shift any of these
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votes, i do not know. for some people who think that he has a problem, the polling does suggest he divides voters along the gender lines and that is not something that 20 central office would want to be in there. what this story is doing is create frosty tv moments because she was on good morning britain on itb this morning again having been on several times already and then they threw it to the other, marine kelly who made her feelings pretty clear. that was crazy once and it. at which point, i am not answering any questions. anyway it isjust me and he says what point is coming on and he says what point is coming on and not saying anything. and he says what point is coming on and not saying anythinglj and he says what point is coming on and not saying anything. i am sorry? what is the point of view coming on the airand not what is the point of view coming on the air and not saying anything. what is the point of view coming on the air and not saying anythinglj the air and not saying anything.” believe i said a few things. you did not answer any of the questions that
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we re not answer any of the questions that were put to you and i did not see the point in your coming on to be honest. you notice that she gets more scottish when she gets angry.” would not know anything about that kind of thing. and hadley going to do that at the end of this interview the next time someone avoided the question for 20 minutes. before i introduce my next guest i need to pray that theme music which is not based on the tv show they remind me of copy here is a generic version. . it is the mulder and scully of the digital election coverage, joey and marianna from bbc trending. we do not understand the reference, i think we are too young. x-files, what did you think it was if you had to guess? a tv show. aliens. and other supernatural phenomenon.” to guess? a tv show. aliens. and other supernatural phenomenon. i did not have anything to add. they were
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two fbi agents, one male who believed in extraterrestrials and spooky stuff and one female who was a purely rational. and that is the dynamic? and she was the doctor and she said next to the filing cabinet because she was pregnant and often and there was a lot of sexual tension between them actually. no, god. it is not the fact that there is sexual tension, it is that you go out and investigate. can we not do this. so where are we and what is the story. he sings in the sussex seaside and there is a vicious row that broke out over bar charts. so we went there last week and we met a lot of people and found out about this story which is essentially involving a phd sit and you went out in august and decided he wanted to conduct a poll and knocked on 150
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people's, more than that, but he got 150 responses. it was focused on a no—deal brexit and when he asked them was you think would be the best candidate to be the remaining coalition and hastings and ride the constituency. what can be described asa constituency. what can be described as a leading question but carry—on. and he was interested in the running, the battle between what remained voted. he was interested in what remained voters would do this election because it is a marginal seat and the conservatives only won by246 seat and the conservatives only won by 246 the last time indicate go to one of the remaining parties. edits and provide's. he made this pull and put it together and it was published ona put it together and it was published on a local news site and i got 3000 hits and it was shared on facebook. and then what happened with this. hits and it was shared on facebook. and then what happened with thism really kicked off and a lot of the labour supporters locally were very annoyed because they were close to
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the conservatives in 2017 but it is not the story, it was complicated and places to save it was best to beat and labour had a good result in 2017 but slammed in the polls and lib dems said well and the polls and in the european election lib dems did really well better than labour. there is a genuine point of debate whether you should vote labour or liberal democrats if you want to be the conservatives particular example looks like it is really the limits of... because they lib dems did so much worse in 2017 and labour were behind and so became this online debate and all these facebook grip democrats we have been looking and it has turned into a meme. you are missing out a step. because then, first of all it is for local political geeks was in it and facebook groups and then it spread like a virus to the general public.
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yes said the liberal democrats put it on the replete leaflet and has a dubious claim and showed the liberal democrat candidate out and front and the nice thing about the story is we talk about how terrible social media is running things but this is an example of that 20 years ago this landed on your door mat and you would not have had anything after it, you would read and go back to watching an accident x—files. right now you get lively debates and people can for my pushback and debate methodologies and tactical voting is a massive issue in this election and people and facebook groups arguing on voting tactically and it is a big deal on the remaining side because lots of the brexit party going down in the polls recently and boris johnson brexit party going down in the polls recently and borisjohnson he has a lot of leavers battling conservatives and it is lot of
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places... you mentioned that meme stop once it appeared on the leaflet, a meme page that supports the labour candidate, and not run by him but run by his fans produce this meme that shows the lib dems candidate holding a... do leaflet with the bar charts and he is looking like the joker and then you have... from the recent found. and then you have the labour candidate as batman. because? he isjust a gay guy apparently. say you started off... —— he isjusta guy apparently. say you started off... —— he isjust a good guy apparently. and went even bigger and it turned into a load of batman means. and i think also it is a good
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thing, we talk about the digital election as a separate entity but it is not at all, it works in combination with what ever is going on on your doorstep so we can go online and off—line and back again and we often like to talk about and command —— compartmentalize it but it is good to look at... i am not going to call him an evil genius because he is not and he also does not have his phd yet, the guy who did the research, did you speak to him. what did he have to say about it all? he is loving it really, the fa ct it all? he is loving it really, the fact that it became such a massive deal. i am sorry that mike is defensive of the pole and methodologies and other polls we spoke to friendly disagreed with the methodology and sample size and the question they said where it leading. what is his defence for that though? he did a poll in 2017 for the last
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election that showed, he almost got the result being on using that same method and sample size so essentially what he has done is repeat that again but looking at a different side of the argument so he can look at what is going on with running. this phd researcher guy is a labour member. which also read out the name of all the candidates. and interesting thing about the story is how we think about these big and dramatic russian trolls and these are all really important issues that we should be following really closely but it is massively changing how if you guys and hastings with facebook pages are interacting with this election and on a really local uk centric level. what is different between now and 2017 is that a lot of older people are using facebook a lock and it is completely embedded in life and ordinary community to
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use and it is really changing how politics works. it is different for us as journalists because we are focused on looking at air war, posters, debates, manifestos and we have the grand war with the activists and the canvassing. this is more. what is between the ground and the air? our minds. that is for you to investigate in the accepted, likely collect... elex files. mulder and scully will be back. now you have to watch all the episodes. we will. let's read them out, peter and channing from labourers. nick perry led them. and all those details are available on the bbc website.
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another name for you, jaron thence, if you are watching last week that is what we called jeremy find from radio to so we gave him a call to find out what he has had two and he was in belfast doing the radio tv show so we asked him what people in belfast are talking about and the election and whether it is brexit.” think the broader thing if i can cover that is so complicated that it has during people even who live on it. and then, actually one of my colleagues, is very politely talking andi colleagues, is very politely talking and i am going to really you to speak loudly. i think that the other thing that is through everything here was this comment from boris johnson the other day, at an event where he was breathing people and he said with a glass of wine in his hand, there will not be any forms to fill out. they were all looking through the protocol saying the
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whole point shelley is that there are forms, that stuff goes between northern island has got to be some sort of check and reporting and said thatis sort of check and reporting and said that is through the whole thing so it is not just that is through the whole thing so it is notjust about that is through the whole thing so it is not just about the that is through the whole thing so it is notjust about the border, it is about the alliance with the government as i say, and just very interesting dynamic care, where you have a remain majority but the dominant party is brexit. none of it really stacks up. lighting up lives all across the four nations of the united kingdom. and next time i'm on... there are plenty of letters that we can get wrong again. there you go. i cannot see the caption or as we call it the aston, hopefully we just called as we call it the aston, hopefully wejust called him as we call it the aston, hopefully we just called him jeremy vine. then thinking tonight is jeremy we just called him jeremy vine. then thinking tonight isjeremy corbyn going head with borisjohnson on itb
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at 8pm and a head—to—head big prime ministerial debate. we have never seen that before where two candidates have gone head—to—head like that. there have always been other people in the next. not appearing in the debate tomorrow night will be just once and of the liberal democrats or nicola sturgeon of the snp. they lost a legal challenge today where they tried to get themselves spots on the stage. you can listen to election cast on bbc sounds and we will be back tomorrow. thank you forjoining us. that evening, after what has become a very rare dry and sunny day for autumn what follows is the coldest night of the week. for some today you can notice here, frost never actually melting on some of the pla nts actually melting on some of the plants and parts of scotland and one or two spots below freezing all day long and temperature is tumbling
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again under the clear skies and blue colour showing how widespread subzero air temperatures will be and wells in the southwest year and early pa rt wells in the southwest year and early part of the night with temperatures rising later as the breeze picks up. rural parts of rural england and scotland and somewhere between —6 or —9 or —10 and 102 areas and lots of sunshine around. you could see some fog patches and when they do find they can left up and drift northwards towards parts of the east midlands lincolnshire and explaining some of the sunshine here but much of scotla nd the sunshine here but much of scotland and get parts of england, another dried but chilly day and more clouds compared with what we saw today and in the far west, northern ireland and western fringes, occasional rain. still thereafter through tuesday night into wednesday. rain running at that because of the southerly breeze but the eastern half of the country, the
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frost lifting out and there will be one or two coastal showers chiefly in the know to make northeast of scotla nd in the know to make northeast of scotland and another dry day, with the chance of any rain, western fringes of scotland and the far southwest of wales, cornwall and the isles of sicily. temperature 6—10d and they're starting to lift a little further as we go into thursday but by the state of risk southeasterly wind, feeding into aberdeen share. we start to see some rain work its way northwards and had the towards the south and west but nothing too substantial or prolonged. there will be quite of few of the northeastern half of the country that stay dry. as you finish that we can go into the weekend the pressure is still close by and this one here gets very close to where we think it pushes off into the mediterranean. so for many and northeastern parts of the country, it will have emphasis on dry and reasonably warm weather. and it will
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hello, i'm nuala mcgovern. this is outside source. the us has made a major reversal in its middle east policy. the trump administration says israeli settlements in the west bank calling them illegal hasn't worked. it hasn't advanced the cause of peace. israel's benjamin netanyahu calls it an "historic day", while there's been a furious reaction from arab countries. we'll have the latest. after his bbc interview, calls for britain's prince andrew to give evidence about his links to jeffrey epstein. lawyers for the victims are demanding he apologises. the first words out of his mouth should be, iam the first words out of his mouth should be, i am sorry and, if there is anything
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