tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News November 26, 2019 10:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello, it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the chief rabbi launches an unprecedented attack onjeremy corbyn‘s labour. he says a "poison, sanctioned from the very top, has taken root in the party," adding people should remember the "very soul of the nation" is at stake when they come to cast their voting next month. some senior labour figures have defended mr corbyn. i think he is fit to be prime minister, i do not think he is anti—semitic, i think things have happened under his leadership which should have been stopped way back. it comes on the day labour launches its "race and faith manifesto," which includes plans to tackle anti—semitism online. we'll speak to labour's shadow equalities minister, naz shah. the body representing local
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newspapers has told this programme that politicians are undermining trust in the media by distributing party political leaflets that look like newspapers. we've found evidence the conservatives, labour and liberal democrats in england are all doing this. david, let's talk. aah! down, down! go, go! is tv too violent? the actor zoe wanamaker thinks so. she says she wants more tv that kids and adults can enjoy together. do you agree? and our election blind dates are back for 2019! so what happened when a brexit party mep and jordan stephens from rizzle kicks went on a blind date? you should come and visit me in brussels. we'll go and see the debating in strasbourg. is this the parliament that you want to leave? yeah. you will see how rubbish it is. that doesn't make much sense, does it? do you kind of love it? do you love it? come on, do you love it? i do not like the european parliament at all... are you sure? ..but i really like my colleagues, and i actually do really enjoy myjob.
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i don't know about you, but i detected a modicum of flirting. a full election .8 before 10:30am. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. are you taken in by black friday sales? will you be spending your cash on christmas presents and other stuff because you think it's going to be cheaper? we'll talk to which later, who say only one in 20 of the offers on black friday are cheaper than other times of the year. we will talk to them later. first, annita mcveigh has the news. good morning. britain's most seniorjewish leader, chief rabbi ephraim mirvis, has intervened in the general election campaign, condemning what he says isjeremy corbyn's failure to deal with anti—semitism. writing in the times, the chief rabbi said a "poison" — sanctioned from the very top — had taken root in the labour party,
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and questioned mr corbyn's fitness to lead the country. labour has strongly rejected the criticism, saying it's tackling anti—semitism by expelling members. mr corbyn is due to set out labour's policies for tackling anti—semitism at the launch of the party's race and faith manifesto this morning. the document promises a review of the national curriculum, a crackdown on racial bias in recruitment, and a committment to work with social media companies to tackle anti—jewish racism online. the former conservative deputy prime minister michael heseltine is urging voters to back the liberal democrats, in the general election, or former conservatives who are now independent. he says borisjohnson is selling voters a delusion that brexit can be delivered by the end of january. lord heseltine lost the tory whip earlier this year for saying he would vote for the liberal democrats in the european elections. iama i am a lifelong member of the
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conservative party, but in this particular context i couldn't vote for my party, with their brexit agenda. if you haven't got an independent conservative, i would say only one party can actually sakhir another referendum on the issue, and stop brexit, and that is the lib dems. anybody yet to register to vote in next month's general election, has until midnight tonight. government figures show nearly three million people have applied to register in the past month, with more than a third of them under the age of 25. applications can be made online at gov.uk/registertovote. australian police have confirmed they have found the body of the missing british man aslan king. the 25—year—old was last seen in the state of victoria on saturday. he disappeared after suffering a suspected seizure
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during a camping trip in victoria. investigators will now prepare a report for the coroner. the un says countries will need to dramatically increase their carbon—cutting targets if the world is to avoid warming by more than 1.5 degrees celsius. its annual emissions gap report warns earth will warm by more than double that amount by the end of the century, even if all current promises are met. the study says richer countries have failed to cut carbon emissions quickly enough, and 15 of the 20 wealthiest nations still have no timeline to get net emissions down to zero. the consumer group which is urging shoppers to do their research before buying goods in black friday sales. it found that only one in 20 deals it reviewed last year were at their cheapest on the day. which looked at dozens of products being sold by three major retailers for six months before and after last yea r‘s sales event. that is a summary of the main news so that is a summary of the main news so far, back to you, victoria.
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tonnesjeremy tonnes jeremy corbyn tonnesjeremy corbyn till bbc question time last friday that every case brought before the party has been investigated, but the chief rabbi's intervention today says it isa rabbi's intervention today says it is a mendacious fiction and there are at least 130 cases outstanding. his intervention has overshadowed labour's launch of the race and faith manifesto which focuses on strengthening the law around hate attacks at places of worship and the creation of a racing unit. in a moment we'll talk to paul harris, editor of the jewish telegraph, and zainab gulamali from muslim council of britain, but first let's hear from the spokeperson labour has put forward on this issue today. naz shah is labour's shadow equalities and women's minister. ms shah was suspended from the labour party for sharing an anti—semitic facebook post before she became an mp. she apologised unreservedly and has been commended by thejewish board of deputies for her work in this area since. naz shah, thank you for talking to
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us. naz shah, thank you for talking to us. i wonder, naz shah, thank you for talking to us. iwonder, as naz shah, thank you for talking to us. i wonder, as labour's shadow equalities minister, how you respond to the chief rabbi's comments?” think it is important to recognise the seriousness of the chief rabbi's intervention and listen. the labour party hasn't done the best it can in dealing with anti—semitism. as painful as it might be, we need to listen more. why is it painful? it is true, we had to listen more, and in listening to the community... why did you say as painful as it might be? to accept we have an issue of anti—semitism, that is not without pain, it is painfulfor thejewish community. it is absolutely right that the labour party should be the home for thejewish that the labour party should be the home for the jewish community, that the labour party should be the home for thejewish community, the minority communities in this country, and it pains me to know thatis country, and it pains me to know that is not how thejewish community fields. provides the archbishop of
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canterbury, justin welby, has backed the chief rabbi's unprecedented intervention, as he calls it, and says it all to a letter to the deep sense of insecurity and fear felt by many british jews. sense of insecurity and fear felt by many britishjews. do you think jeremy corbyn understands that insecurity and fear? the jeremy corbyn that i know has been an antiracism campaigner all his life. iam asking antiracism campaigner all his life. i am asking specifically, do you think mr corbyn understands and accepts the insecurity and fear?” think it is because he does that we are doing what we are doing today, launching the race and faith ma nifesto launching the race and faith manifesto which includes some of the things we want to be doing, and should rightfully be doing, giving that security back to the jewish community and making sure we respond, we respond rightfully and we listen and respond and build bridges and move forward from where we are now. we have not got this right, if we had got this right in
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the past, and jeremy has accepted that, we would not be in a position where we would have an unprecedented intervention from the chief rabbi. why do you think that after all jeremy corbyn and the labour party has done in attempting to reassure british jews, it has done in attempting to reassure britishjews, it is not working, hence this article from the chief rabbi today? we didn't do it quick enough, we did not respond like we should have ended beginning. we should have ended beginning. we should have ended beginning. we should have dealt with this, should have communicated more. the things thatjeremy has have communicated more. the things that jeremy has put have communicated more. the things thatjeremy has put into place should have been put in place much, much sooner, we should have been on top of this much earlier, to rebuild the faith and trust within the jewish community, and we didn't, which is why we find ourselves in this position today. it is quite extraordinary to hear you talking about labour's errors in this way, i wonder if perhaps jeremy about labour's errors in this way, i wonder if perhaszeremy corbyn had talked about it in the tens that you
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are now, live on national tv, there may not have been the necessity for the chief rabbi to say what he has said today? the bottom line is that we have not been as good as we could be, we need to get better even today, we could do things better, we need to respond accordingly to the jewish community. it is not a cce pta ble jewish community. it is not acceptable that the jewish community does not feel the labour party is its natural home as a minority community. here we are on the launch ofa community. here we are on the launch of a race and faith manifesto, we wa nt to of a race and faith manifesto, we want to be the party that will absolutely eradicate discrimination, we are absolutely eradicate discrimination, we a re naturally absolutely eradicate discrimination, we are naturally the party that will stand against any discrimination that does not about people of this country to reach their full potential. let's talk specifically about your attempts to eradicate discrimination, the chief rabbi says the claim that labour has investigated every single case of
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anti—semitism is a mendacious fiction. it is whatjeremy corbyn called the question time litres' debate on friday night. who is right, jeremy corbyn or the chief rabbi? the leadership team put out a press statement this morning and said it is not true that there are that many complaints outstanding. i am not at the nec, i do not know how many are outstanding, they say it is not .1% of the membership but for me it is one person too many and we need to respond. i believejeremy is making the right efforts and i believe the labour party is responding, it has been too little, too late, but we are where we are, making real progress in terms of jeremy corbyn has doubled the staff to deal with these issues, he has introduced immediate suspension... has the party investigated every
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single case of anti—semitism, yes or no? i can't say the party has investigated every single, i do not know what they have before them. but you are labour's shadow equalities minister, one would have thought that that would be something you should know. googled a complaint has come in this morning, i could not say they have responded to that, i could not possibly with conviction say they have dealt with that or something like yesterday. studio: thejeremy something like yesterday. studio: the jeremy corbyn something like yesterday. studio: thejeremy corbyn said on friday night that every case had been dealt with. and there is no reason for him to mislead anybody, as of friday that could be true, but we could have had a complaint this morning. we had dealt with every single complaint, there could be complaints pending, i would complaint, there could be complaints pending, iwould be complaint, there could be complaints pending, i would be misleading the viewers to say i know what is happening but what i know is they are responding and as friday that was certainly the case.” are responding and as friday that was certainly the case. i want to ask about the case of peter willsman, a close ally ofjeremy
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corbyn, he was suspended in may this yearfor corbyn, he was suspended in may this year for alleged anti—semitic reports, suspended from the labour ruling body the nec after recordings of him were made public. one of these things about anti—semitism, it has total lies, they will whip it up. this is off the record, it is almost certain he was titled this anti—semitism against jeremy, almost certainly it was the israeli embassy, they got somebody in the labour party, it turns out, and agent in labour. is that anti—semitic, in your view? the there are conspiracy theories there, so there are conspiracy theories there, so any tropes suggesting conspiracy theories are wrong and it is not a cce pta ble theories are wrong and it is not acceptable for us, that is why he was rightfully suspended. you have been clear that was anti—semitic, he
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was suspended six months ago, for many it was an open and shut case of anti—semitism, so why has peter willsman not been expelled?” anti—semitism, so why has peter willsman not been expelled? i cannot comment, it is for the nec. you can see why that length of time, six months being investigated when you had just said that isn't —— that is anti—semitic, because it is clear as day that it is, he has not been expelled, which is why trust is undermined. from my experience, i was also suspended, what i shared was also suspended, what i shared was anti—semitic. and i anti—semitic? have i been on my journey and do i understand that what i did was wrong? i absolutely understand that. had that been a com plete understand that. had that been a complete expulsion i would not be here as a shadow minister, having the trust and confidence and having had the compassion from thejewish community. for me, personally, having been on thatjourney and spoken to thejewish community, i
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think it is very important for me to say that i learnt from what i did that was wrong. expulsion would not have served the purpose for me, it was right i was suspended and earned the trust back. are you saying peter willsman has been talking to members of the jewish community, willsman has been talking to members of thejewish community, has perhaps been on equalities training?” genuinely have no idea and could not comment, i am genuinely have no idea and could not comment, iam not genuinely have no idea and could not comment, i am not privy to the detail. that you think six months is a cce pta ble detail. that you think six months is acceptable to investigate someone?” feel the investigation process has not been the best it could be, there is still room for improvement and i have the assurances that enter jennie formby, those improvements are taking place. of course we can get better, if there was no room for improvement to be would not have had the intervention we have had today, so the intervention we have had today, so it is absolutely right that we do
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more. has jeremy corbyn had equalities training?” more. has jeremy corbyn had equalities training? i don't know. i know he has implemented more training for members. has he been on your training programme?” training for members. has he been on your training programme? i don't know. do you think he should? i am not sure. my understanding ofjeremy is he has been an anti—racist campaigner all his life. i think understanding anti—semitism is something that he does understand. if all your members need to go on, then surely the leaders? but i have not been on the training. to my understand anti—semitism from my own experiences? yes. —— do i understand? it is only right that i stand shoulder to shoulder with my jewish friends at the jewish community. i want labour to be a natural home for the jewish community. we had to listen more, we
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have to do more as a labour party anti—labour movement. have to do more as a labour party anti-labour movement. your race and faith manifesto is out today, why are you launching one?” faith manifesto is out today, why are you launching one? i had touched on ending discrimination, and one of the things we are talking about today is, for example, teaching. we have less than 1.3% of male teachers from black african background, against 3% of the population. we need to talk about british history, the empire, colonialism, we need to understand where discrimination comes from and to allow people to be the best that they can be without discrimination and we are the party for that to happen under, and ra sent faith manifesto underlines the initiatives we will be taking to ensure people have equal opportunities in this country. we wa nt opportunities in this country. we want a race equality unit and will put that at the centre of government
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if we are elected, and at the treasury team, we will make sure... senior civil servants are going beyond equality to ensure that our services are reflecting the community is unfit for purpose, which they are not at the minute. many will welcome this manifesto, but you do have labour candidates in this election who could be said to not be helping your cause. one person standing and popular in east london had to apologise for an anti—semitic post she shared on facebook accusing saudi arabia of being in thrall to, quote, zionist masters. why is she standing, representing labour?” masters. why is she standing, representing labour? i am not familiar with that particular case. i have heard that name before but i have not... i had just i have heard that name before but i have not... i hadjust told i have heard that name before but i have not... i had just told you what the anti—semitic post was and the fa ct the anti—semitic post was and the fact that she apologised.“ the anti—semitic post was and the fact that she apologised. if she has apologised, has that been accepted
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and is that right for her apologise? i would argue it is right to recognise that what she did was wrong, and in that case she has. maria carroll, standing in the marginal seat of carmarthen east in wales, found to be the co—founder and administrated other page which advises labour members accused of anti—semitism on how to avoid expulsion. she denied she has posted anything anti—semitic itself. is that acceptable? i don't know about this candidates and i don't know what she advises on, i cannot comment on if it is acceptable or not. if it is like lawyers' advice on cases going before courts, judges 01’ on cases going before courts, judges or whatever, i think lawyers do that. i am not sure about this candidates way could not comment. finally, one candidate you know about, selma youtube, you made a complaint about her when she was standing against you for the respect
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party. —— one candidate you know about, salma yaqoob. she is now campaigning to be a labour mayor. she talked about lipstick on a pig, she said it was wrong to claim that her use of that phrase meant she referred to jews as her use of that phrase meant she referred tojews as pigs. do you think she should have been allowed tojoin the think she should have been allowed to join the labour party? my comments are on record about my opinion of salma yaqoob ‘s suitability. on the top of my twitter feed, it is a pinched wheat, there are reasons outlined in that thread about why i feel that she is not fit to be a member of the labour party or a labour candidate for the
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west midlands mayor, my views are on record. how do you feel about the fa ct record. how do you feel about the fact that your party does not back you? that is a conversation that i will have in my party and resume after the general election, but what is important to me at the moment is that our race and faith manifesto reaches people and we make sure that we are educators, nation. my priority over the next weeks is ensuring that we return a labour government that ends austerity and gives people, the many, not the few, opportunities that should have been available and have not been, people have been robbed, like the waspi women, under a tory government for the last ten years. that is my priority, not talking about the west midlands mayor. finally, today is the last time that people can register to vote, bearing in mind our conversation, i wonder if there
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would be much for people to think they had to register to vote?” think it is extremely important, i will put my own video out later, it is an11:59pm will put my own video out later, it is an 11:59pm deadline. please get out and register to vote, it is a crucial election, the vote is so important. it is not what difference will that one vote may, it can make all the difference. it will only be less tha n all the difference. it will only be less than 50,000 people that will decide the election in the marginal seats, every vote counts and i will be campaigning very hard for the labour manifesto to be the one that we win, we are a winning government and we will be in ten downing street on the 13th of december. please come out and vote, that is my final p2 all the listeners out there. thank you for your time this morning, naz shah, labour's shadow equalities minister. let's get some reaction
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from the editor of the jewish telegraph, whose name is paul harris, and also zainab gulamali from the muslim council of britain. paul harris, first of all, i don't that you heard of naz shah, but she said what labour had done regarding anti—semitism is too little too late and acknowledge mistakes have been made, she said processes had not been speedy enough in the past and she said sorry. how do you react? there have been so many cases of anti—semitism within the labour party, including naz shah, so many unsuitable people who have come out with comments, as naz shah did, she at least apologised, many of the others involve never did. as far as the jewish community is others involve never did. as far as thejewish community is concerned, they are extremely concerned about a corbyn lead labour government. lord dubs said on the radio this morning he thought the chief rabbi had gone
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too far in his comments today and jeremy corbyn was fit to be prime minister. what you say? i'd say he is totally unfit, so would most of our readers. for a chief rabbi to intervene in this way politically is unheard—of, unprecedented. chief rabbi mirvis particularly is a quietly spoken man who never involves himself of politics other than in the most anodyne way, he must really feel something is seriously wrong to become involved in this way. paul, i do not know if you have had chance to look at the race and faith manifesto launch by the labour party, talks about maintaining funding in real terms for the community security trust, revealing the places of worship protective scheme to ensure smaller organisations which protect the orthodox jewish community in organisations which protect the orthodoxjewish community in north london and manchester, for example, also receive adequate funding, it says it will amend the law to include attacks and places of worship is a specific aggravated
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offence, it talks about working with social media platforms to combat anti—jewish racism online, what you think about that? i have read it, i have read thejewish aspect to this, this is what you would expect them to say and i think they have been said previously in manifestos, but the manifesto is glaringly missing the manifesto is glaringly missing the fact that it should be investigating anti—semitism within the labour party. it mentions racism on the right but nothing about anti—semitism within the labour party, a glaring omission. do you accept that people like naz shah could learn from their mistakes?” would hope that most anti—semitism is based on sheer ignorance, and naz shah has been very contrite, but you have to ask why she made these comments in the first place and why so comments in the first place and why so many people associated with the labour party are coming out with these comments and having to apologise. this is unprecedented, particularly for the labour party, the natural home forjewish voters
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in the past. what could jeremy corbyn due to regain the trust of jewish voters? tell the truth, in the first instance. what does that mean? stop associating with those that would seek to damage jews, damage the state of israel, this is a man who describes hamas as his friends. gervasi says he regrets that, do you buy that? yet no, he was prepared to honour a terrorist who was responsible for the death of jewish athletes at the munich olympics. we saw this with an mp left in tears at an event to combat anti—semitism, jeremy corbyn grinning and smiling at the person who abused her at this event. gervasi he was questioned about that on question time on friday and said no one had any idea what he was saying to the man who had abused
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ruth smeeth. did you want to say one more thing? no, i'm ok. lets speak to zainab gulamali from the muslim council of britain. we have lived through the manifesto and we can't find anything specifically to do with islam, how do you react? —— we have looked through. we expect to see in this manifesto commitment to adopting the definition of islamophobia as proposed by the all parliamentary group on british muslims, this has already been adopted by the labour party but we we re adopted by the labour party but we were hoping it would be adopted by the labour party if they were to be the labour party if they were to be the next government. a definition of islamophobia —— is on a phobia, like a definition of anti—semitism, it's really important to recognise the injustices against muslims and to tackle this. so a commitment to bringing the definition forward? uk wide. that is not in there. no, that
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is truly disappointing. there are no other mentions of islam, either, what do you think? i think it is really surprising. muslims are a huge part of british society and hugely marginalised. there is a lot in there about bame communities, of which muslims also identify, but muslims are also marginalised because they are muslim, notjust because they are muslim, notjust because they are muslim, notjust because they tend to come from an ethnic minority. a lot of the policies will benefit muslims by virtue of muslims coming from ethnic minorities but more needs to be ten to recognise the specific problems muslims face because they are muslim. gervasi is such as pertinent to the labour party or across the political parties? a blow definitely across the parties. it is really important to recognise that people of different faiths and races are affected by politics in different ways. we would love for all parties to think about race and faith in this way and we really hope all
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other parties look at how they can use this election and suggest policies benefiting muslim communities. you will have heard various conservative candidates for prime minister talk about launching an inquiry into islamophobia within the conservative party. that has now been extended, according to senior cabinet ministers like michael gove, to an inquiry into prejudice across—the—board, what to an inquiry into prejudice across—the—boa rd, what is to an inquiry into prejudice across—the—board, what is your reaction? a broadbrush inquiry into prejudice and discrimination in the conservative party is necessary, as isa conservative party is necessary, as is a stand—alone inquiry into its on a phobia. the conservative party has an acute issue with islamophobia, it is institutional, systemic, widespread and they need to have to inquiries to really look to tackle the problem others on a phobia as well as the problem with prejudice and discrimination —— the problem of islamophobia. a broadbrush inquiry will not look at the specific
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problem with islamophobia. no doubt the conservative party would deny those allegations, but thank you for coming on the programme. let me read some comments. coral sea isi let me read some comments. coral sea is i was appalled to read the comments, by intervening the chief rabbi is implicating the jewish community by intervening the chief rabbi is implicating thejewish community in this dangerous game. and ken says it's a pity the chief rabbi isn't condemning the lack of moral standards in public life. so should the lies and philandering of political leaders. keep your comments coming in.
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jane says i've never heard anti—semitism in the labour party before jeremy corbyn anti—semitism in the labour party beforejeremy corbyn became leader. his past links with various terrorist groupings say at all for me. and now, by popular demand, the return of our election blind dates series, where we send two people with opposing political views on a blind date. today, jordan stephens from bestselling hip hop duo rizzle kicks goes on a date with the brexit party's alexandra phillips, who's a member of the european parliament and nigel farage's former spin doctor. it is genuinely a blind date — neither knows who they're about to meet — so will they hit it off? or will things fall apart when they start talking about brexit? here's what happened when jordan met alex. all right. my name isjordan stephens, known as being half of rizzle kicks.
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ok, i'm alexandra phillips, i'm a brexit party mep. 0h bleep! people would know me for being nigel‘s right—hand woman. i don't rate him. accent: like, he always talks like this, 0k? drank a lot. i voted remain. what do i think happens now? at the moment i'm feeling quite apathetic. i just want to know who it is, i really hope we end up swapping numbers and, you know... what?! hello. hi! hi. hiya. alex, good to meet you. jordan, pleasure. how are you? hiya, jordan. i'm good. it's a bit cold out there, isn't it? yeah, it's freezing. a bit warmer in here, thank god. yeah, i think so, this is nice. there's crackers. yeah, i know. we could get going on one, if you want to? in my family, we always do the crackers before you eat, and then you wear the stupid hat.
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i'm already wearing a stupid hat. i like your hat, it's good. no, let's go for it. let's do it. ok, brilliant. all right, 0k. right. yes! yeah, that was fun. go on. it's a joke, it's a brexitjoke. love them. go on. give it to me. "why was nigel farage's christmas lunch so bad?" because there was no alcohol involved? i don't know. go on. "he banned brussels. " actually, we need to do this, don't we? yeah, yeah, yeah. who are you? what do you do? my name isjordan stephens. i was in a duo called rizzle kicks. no way?! yeah. we did pepper the television for a good three years. you did, yeah. we had a strong 2012. it's your turn now. it's my turn? all right. yeah, you have to explain to me about you. i am alexandra phillips. i'm a member of the european parliament for the brexit party. before that i was a political spin doctor. so i've known nigel and worked with nigel farage for, like, ten years. i would love to know how you feel as a woman in politics. one thing i always try
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and do is i bring myself to whatever i'm doing. i don't try and be someone i'm not. you know, i'm alex phillips, daughter of a lorry driver, brought up in gloucester. you know, wore my brother's shellsuits till i was about 1k because basically we didn't have much cash. love that. i mean, yeah, it is difficult. the thing that drives me the most mad actually is you always get the whole, like, "she's probably slept with this person or that person..." really? yeah. oh, yeah. i hate that. all of that scandal, that... you know, if you're a young woman, you know, especially looking a bit like brexit barbie, people always... is that your rap name? that is totally my rap name. people always want to sort of speculate on who you're dating... frankly, i've got a cat, i'm happy. leave me alone. but in politics... in politics that's ridiculous. that is ridiculous. if we're talking brexit, that was actually something that i thought, in terms of remaining, because i thought that, like, you could surely improve the union from within the union rather than from outside of it. that was kind of my stance.
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similarly, i do respect people's opinion and what they want to stand for. for me, it's like when people actually stood up to the establishment and went, "do you know what? we want a change, we want things done differently". what is the establishment? europe? the establishment is... well, no, it's everything. i think that brexit vote represented the will of the people just saying, whether it be the control from brussels, whether it be our own parliament... but what are you going to do to change that? i mean, nigel farage is another person in that category for me, and i'm sure he's impassioned, sure... yeah. ..but, like, ithinka lot of his power, in my opinion, has been gained off the back of generating fear. see, what really upsets me about that is nigel is actually such a nice guy. like, a really genuine decent human. how can you validate that poster, though? that breaking point poster? really, in any world, how can you validate that? not even from a political standpoint, that is incredibly dangerous. yeah, look, i'm going to make it clear that i actually wasn't
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involved with that poster at all. you know, it did split... listen, i'm sure a lot of those people are nice, but generating the idea that you are one of the people, one of the guys... i think there's a couple of pictures of nigel having a pint or whatever. he's not one of the guys and from what i understand, theresa may, david cameron, nigel farage, borisjohnson... ..like, maybe even corbyn to an extent, i don't know, but they don't seem to have really, really been in the muck. the thing is, it's very easy to assume that politicians are all the same. nigel has gone through a hell of a lot in his life. he's survived a cancer, car crash, plane clash. when you see him having a pint in the pub, it's not a photocall, that is what he does, believe me. it's pretty hard to keep up with his liver! no, no, no, it's the context of it, but... but i'm from a low—income background, but one thing i really don't like as well is reverse snobbery. so, just because someone's been to a public school... yeah. ..or is wealthy, or whatever, it doesn't automatically then make
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them someone who doesn't have information or doesn't have compassion. for me, a massive aspect of brexit was around immigration. immigration was a massive, massive part of it. but basing that campaign off of people who don't look a certain way is where i think it's dangerous. the way i see it, at the moment, our immigration system says, if you are from europe, which is largely caucasian, then it doesn't matter who you are, what you do, what you aim to do when you are over here, just walk straight on through. but if you are from, say, a commonwealth country, the amount of hoops you have to go through, and i've got so many friends in places like india and ghana, and it's difficult for them, you know, even to come and visit me without almost a degrading level of, "what's in your bank account?" and letters of invitation. and i really think that being in the eu, we've criminally turned our backs on countries like india, like ghana... we've just abandoned them. i hate that.
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i hear you in theory, but it's just such a wild thing to hear when i've sat there and, this isn't your party, but the windrush scandal is like legit the worst political thing i've ever experienced in my lifetime. to have witnessed that... if i was an indian family or a nigerian family, i wouldn't trust the government even if we were invited, to be honest. and this brings me onto my point, which is, like, about creating a society that is based around, i suppose, more compassion, and australia, sure, they've got a points system, but they still have massive issues with xenophobia. i don't know, man. i think humans, by nature, are tribal animals, though, and that is something that we have got to acknowledge and then break through. do you know what? you should come and visit me in brussels. we'll go and see the debating in strasbourg. is this the parliament that you want to leave? yeah. you will see how rubbish it is.
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that doesn't make much sense, does it? do you kind of love it? do you love it? come on, do you love it? i do not like the european parliament at all... are you sure? ..but i really like my colleagues, and i actually do really enjoy myjob. i'll tell you what, let's make a move. let's head off, shall we? yeah. i think we've put too much money down, but we'll leave a tip. i had a really good time. i enjoyed it, i think. i've lost track, mate, so many things. basically, bleep the house of commons. we are secret revolutionaries, you and i. yeah. wild. i think you're going to be a secret brexit party voter if i work on you a bit more. 100% not. was some respect between them, wasn't there? jordan and alex. more blind dates to come over the next few weeks. thanks for your messages after the interview with naz shah,
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particularly we were discussing the intervention of the chief rabbi today regarding jewish voters. and the insecurity some of them feel when it comes to the labour party. pammy tweets, shouldn't all politicians go on equality and diversity training? no—brainer. jill says what are you talking about, quality training, these people would have been thrown out straightaway if it was racism towards black people. they are colluding with anti—semitism byjust they are colluding with anti—semitism by just pretending they are colluding with anti—semitism byjust pretending we we re anti—semitism byjust pretending we were unaware of their language or behaviour. it's a joke except it isn't. it's frightening. brenda says i agree with the chief rabbi we should vote with our conscience but given anti—semitism exists in the labour party and the conservative party and islamophobia is rife in the conservative party, racism was the conservative party, racism was the only thing guiding our conscience it would be a difficult decision. shouldn't we look at the ma nifestos decision. shouldn't we look at the manifestos of parties and judge who shows the most care, compassion and fairness and then vote? for me, that's the labour party. i can't speakfor the that's the labour party. i can't speak for the conscience of the
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chief rabbi. you are welcome to get in touch, send us an e—mail. you can message us on in touch, send us an e—mail. you can message us on twitter. now, black friday bargains aren't as good as they seem. sorry to break it to you. an investigation by the consumer group which? has found just 1—in—20 deals was cheaper during the annual sales than at other times of the year. examples include a tumble dryer that was £20 cheaper than its sale price of £199 just two weeks before black friday and a coffee machine priced at £399 that was cheaper on at least 64 days in the six months after. neena bhati is head of campaigns for which? tell us more about what you found in your investigation. we track the prices of around 83 products in the run—up to black friday and afterwards from last year ‘s sales event. what we found was 95% of the products were actually cheaper either before or after black
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friday. the whole hype around black friday, saying that you are going to get your best deal, rock bottom prices, isn't actually true and a lot of people think this going into the weekend. really, the hype around it isn't really going to give you the best deal and what we want to tell people is you will have other chances across the year. to get the best price for you. it really is just hype, according to which? we've been looking at this issue for the last four years and we've seen time and again the best price isn't what you will get on black friday even though that's what people expect, it's a great time of year, of course, you are running into christmas. if you're going to get a good dealfor your christmas. if you're going to get a good deal for your christmas present list that's excellent but if it isn't the time for you to buy the product and it's not urgent for you to get it at this time of year you will have other chances and what we would say is look at the product you are buying, is it what you want, has at the best reviews, is it the best product for you and your home and if that's the case, go for it but if it's not, you have time to do more research. i mentioned a couple of
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exa m ples research. i mentioned a couple of examples in the introduction, the tumble dryer and coffee machine but what else did you find, can you give us more what else did you find, can you give us more specifics? we found the amazon echo for example was cheaper 13 times after 2018 black friday event. we also found samsung sound bar which was on for around £300 was up bar which was on for around £300 was up to £50 cheaper 18 times across after the black friday event. so actually these big ticket items were spending what could be hundreds of pounds, pressured into thinking this is the cheapest you will get it, isn't actually true and what we are telling people is you can take your time, don't panic, don't impulse buy, your research and it's only really a good deal if it's a product that you want or need. amazon said the black friday sale is about thousands of deals on a huge selection of products in every category across the side of the time of year we know saving money is important to our customers. retailers broadly speaking reject suggestions that consumers are being misled and sent shoppers are getting
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some of the best deals of the year, who is right, you are them?m some of the best deals of the year, who is right, you are them? it was interesting because all of the retailers told us we want to offer good prices to their customers across the year. they have price match guarantee is, they've got all sorts of sales events across the year. they've also admitted that actually you will get other chances at getting a good deal on your product and it might not necessarily mean you will get the cheapest price on black friday but it is a sales event and you will get a reduced price. what we are saying is it may not be the best deal. how do we resist the hype, it is all around us. you know, on your way to work, your way home, the boss, the tube, tram, you see the adverts for black friday the whole time, we are adding to it now with this kind of backdrop. how do we as consumers resist? you're absolutely right, it's really ha rd resist? you're absolutely right, it's really hard to resist when it's plastered all over the place if you already know what product you are looking for a start tracking that earlier, start looking at what the prices are giving you at what retailers are offering and you can
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sign up to retailer newsletters they will often have their own sales events at other times of the year. we would say don't impulse buy, don't rush your decision, take time to research, if you've got the time, and you know, look after friday as well because there are lots more sales coming in the new year. ok, you for christmas? not yet, i've got the list, i haven't gone out shopping. i am so far behind, i am usually organised but not this year because of one general election that might be happening in a couple of weeks but thank you for your advice. is tv too violent? the actor zoe wanamaker thinks so. she's told the radio times she craves more tv that kids and adults can watch together. she's appearing in a new adaptation of worzel gummidge, which airs on bbc one over christmas. before we discuss whether she's right, here's a short clip from the moment in last year's tv smash hit the bodyguard, where keeley hawes, who played the government ministerjulia montague,
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is shot and killed. do look away now if you don't want to see it — it lasts less than 15 seconds. david, let's talk. aah! down, down! go, go! let's speak now to lisa holdsworth — she's a tv writer who's worked on shows like call the midwife, midsomer murders and emmerdale. and also to the tv critic scott bryan. hello. lisa, starting with you, is zoe onto something?” hello. lisa, starting with you, is zoe onto something? i don't agree with her at all on this. i think we have a really rich television environment in the uk from the bbc, itv, channel four, cbeebies, and we've got netflix. there is
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something for everyone. we also have really strict rules about content, what happens at the watershed. generally about content, i can speak from experience as a writer. don't sneak things past editorial on any of the channels. i don't agree that there is no family viewing, there's plenty out there. and plenty of opportunities to avoid watching the content. she doesn't say there is no family viewing, she says she wishes there was more of it, if you look across what was on tv on terrestrial channels tonight, on netflix, amazon, you probably could find at least eight fewer murders every night, couldn't you? you could, to an extent viewing patterns are changing. it's less and less we are watching together as a family with the exception of shows like break—up, people are watching high—class shows that may not be suitable for children or shows on
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netflix. but look at the award winners, the most acclaimed shows of the of the year. all of these were shows that aren't that gratuitous, or violent and i think what's really interesting, when a show crosses the line, into something that might be dealing with an issue badly such as game of thrones, i think people and viewers rightly call it out. those who didn't see that, what issues we re who didn't see that, what issues were not handled appropriately or as good as they could have been according to viewers? in game of in game of thrones, its issues around sexual assault, how women wear i think, sort of, not in a position of power but were used as essentially six objects, i think they learnt as the series went on about how they should be addressing that but i think they handle that by badly. there are exceptions to the rule in other shows, boys for example on amazon prime video i found that unsettling as a way it uses violence
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asa unsettling as a way it uses violence as a form of entertainment, 13 reasons why, outside the ofcom remit, it means if you've got a complaint about how serious some of the scenes are in that show we reported that on this programme but for those who don't know, explain the premise. it features somebody who died by suicide and it was doing it in who died by suicide and it was doing itina who died by suicide and it was doing it in a sort of way i personally disagree with, it was explicit in the nature of it, i think when the most recent series came out netflix with the decision to remove the scenes from earlier series because ofi scenes from earlier series because of i think, the backlash but research said it wasn't necessarily the right idea. it's sort of, i think, we are in an interesting time. so many different shows at their trying to be provocative and new but i think people realise at the end of the day, it's all about having storylines or something that makes it different, rather than trying to be shock and awe. lisa, as a writer, i want you to give us an insight into your mind when you are
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writing a plotline. a character. so we believe it and investing it. again, it's about making sure it reaches an audience that can see a little bit of themselves in that character. in that story. even if it's something far—fetched, example, something like the walking dead, the skill of that show is making you think how would i react in a zombie apocalypse? would i survive? and scenes of extreme violence, casual, sociopathic violence, that, ifind it really pushes an audience where they don't enjoy it. maybe a small section of the audience enjoy it! but they want to feel like they can be involved in the story. so as a writer, i'm not looking for the moment when i can pull a gun or a sword or have a head explode or something like that, that's not viewing for me or for most writers, there are writers who write for a
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very specific genre. they will look for themes in there. for me, it's great characters, reacting in good situations, i hope that's what i bring. but are the writers you think who are trying to be graphic for no particular reason? or not? no, i think there are writers who, i think, if you don't want to see exploding heads or sexual violence, things like that, there are mornings and outlines about those shows. and some want to explore the dark side of the human psyche. from shakespeare onwards. they've always looked for that dark tendency, would ibe looked for that dark tendency, would i be pushed to the edge of this? and drama isa i be pushed to the edge of this? and drama is a really cyberspace to explore that. it always has been. ——
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drama isa explore that. it always has been. —— drama is a really safe space. scott, in case zoe is watching, and she wa nts in case zoe is watching, and she wants recommendations, for family viewing, let's recommend worzel gummidge which is on bbc over the christmas holidays, what else? the upcoming gavin and stacey christmas special, i can't reveal anything but i would say that's good. out of ten? i would say that's good. out of ten? i would say that's good. out of ten? i would say it's ten, it hasn't been on for ten years and seems fresh out of the box. looking ahead to the christmas schedule, just after the new year you have doctor who. very much more of an emphasis on family viewing for example apple tv plus. they are trying to get the widest amount of audience possible, some of their shows are surprisingly family orientated, can be watched by families so i think that's really interesting and you've got britbox, the archives. are you drawn to it,
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briefly? yeah, i think so, i thought i would find it a bit of a weird service but i've been bingeing shows from the 1980s, michael palin shows, can't get enough. thank you both. lisa and scott. is it too early to say happy christmas? we are a month away. there are enough! the group which represents news media in the uk has told this programme that political parties are "undermining trust" by sending out election leaflets that appear to look like the front page of local newspapers. this programme has seen examples from all three main parties in england over the last week that copy the same style, print and even paper type as local papers. our reporterjim reed has been following this. he's out covering the election and is in cumbria. jim, tell us about these adverts. this is something we've been noticing quite a lot this year. party political leaflets that deliver through doors, looked quite a lot like local newspapers, this is an example centre was by a viewer into doing in south london,
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delivered last friday. from the labour party candidate there. as you can see, looks very much like local newspaper. called the daily press, says on the front it's paid for by local residents. on the inside there isa local residents. on the inside there is a guest column as its put, by the candidate herself. printed on that kind of newsprint style newspaper material. rather than the glossy material. rather than the glossy material you might associate with the normal election leaflet. there isa the normal election leaflet. there is a labour party logo on the front and the inside but it's pretty small. and it's part of the photograph, so it might not be immediately apparent what it is you are looking at. debris is it looks like... an are looking at. debris is it looks like an newspaper potentially? yeah, that's the concern, when we put that to the candidate there, or a spokesperson said, there are the labour party logo is on the front and inside, she said clearly voters, potential voters, would be able to tell the difference but i think is two issues, this is not the kind of thing people read the small print
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into much detail, it's the kind of thing put on your or it goes straight in the bin, depending on what kind of political party you are receiving it from. there's also the issue of more vulnerable members of society, the elderly and so on who might not immediately realise what you are looking at and in fact, with the labour party newspaper, there is a second issue, the headline on the front is 90% support for remain according to a local pull, we asked the candidate or a team for the candidate how did you get to the figure and they said actually that came from a local survey placed in the candidate ‘s own web page, that's different from the kind of survey or opinion poll the news media, for example the bbc would use, you would get a polling company, and would pay for them to go out and find what you hope as a representative sample from the local area. that wasn't made immediately clear from the headline or the front story. what about other parties? it's not just story. what about other parties? it's notjust the labour party. this
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example from the conservative party. what appears to be the conservative party in finchley and golders green. in north london. the headline there, action on countrypos my priorities, it looks very much like a local newspaper. we put that to the candidate. who directed us to the conservative party headquarters. we haven't received a response. and then this example from the liberal democrats in the chipping barnet constituency in the west of london, the candidate there, spokesperson for the candidate said this is a well—established practice using this of format. clearly he said it would come across as a political communication. i should come across as a political communication. ishould point come across as a political communication. i should point out we looked more widely at this so we could see more examples of the liberal democrats doing this than any other political party, we found at least seven or eight other lib dems candidates using this same kind of local newspaper format for the material. briefly, this kind of advertising has been used before in
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campaigns but perhaps it is more acute this time in this election? has been used before but more obvious this year perhaps because people are pointing this out on social media. should point out editors of local newspapers are quite concerned about this, one in basingstoke called it a flagrant attempt to manipulate voters in the organisation which represents newspapers said this could damage trust in both the news media and in politicians as well. thank you. jim mentioned some of the candidates in individual seats. for a full list of candidates standing look at the bbc website. back tomorrow at 10am. have a good day. good morning. quite a bit of cloud across the uk, outbreaks of rain moving northwards across england and wales. all linked to this area of low pressure, this is actually the re m na nts of low pressure, this is actually the remnants of tropical storm sebastian moving in across the uk but look at the white lines, close together
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towards the south—west of england. indicative of strong winds, gusts of 55 miles an hour and the isles of scilly but quite widely 40—50 mile an hourwind scilly but quite widely 40—50 mile an hour wind gusts. gradually easing through the afternoon, rain continues to spread northwards into scotland, northern ireland. later on, some heavy showers moving into central and southern, south—eastern areas of england, mile day, temperatures for many of us in double figures, potentially 1a degrees in the south of england. tonight, this area of low pressure largely moves eastwards, but it keeps some fairly strong winds across southern areas, keeps things cloudy during wednesday. there are bricks of rain particularly later in the day in the north—east of england. goodbye.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning... the chief rabbi condemns labour's handling of anti—semitism and questionsjeremy corbyn's fitness to lead. labour says its committed to driving it out of the party former conservative deputy leader michael heseltine urges voters to back the liberal democrats or independent mps to stop boris johnson's brexit. i'm here in milford haven in west wales — a marginal constituency at the last election — as we continue our tour of the uk, gauging the mood of voters this time round. anti—lgbt equality teaching protests are permanently banned from outside
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