tv Electioncast BBC News November 27, 2019 8:30pm-9:01pm GMT
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comic parities ranging from light comic parities that are extremely funny, even 50 yea rs that are extremely funny, even 50 years on, right to touch has a memory, which was based on a line from kings. he of little shoes, which was a deadly serious song about auschwitz. nothing was out of table. nothing was off the agenda. when clive james was writing songs. everything he wrote was based on this huge expansive view of the world, and of the connectedness of everything. he was impossible to compartmentalize, because he had a brain whichjust compartmentalize, because he had a brain which just wouldn't accept the existence of compartments. absolutely, extraordinary come of course, in so absolutely, extraordinary come of course, in so many absolutely, extraordinary come of course, in so many ways. have you heard from family and those who saw him in the last few weeks, just how he was, because obviously, he had written about what he was going through. yes. i mean, he, the poetry
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he has been writing over the last three orfour years, including he has been writing over the last three or four years, including this big long epic he published last year, the river in the sky, and the shorter poems, like japanese maple, the expert from, that gave my title. —— excerpt. almost all of that stuff is to do with mortality and looking back on a life and comparing what the life well lived would be like compared with the pragmatic words in life that he had lived. so, his subject had been for a long time, i was obviously with the family, we went back to clyde's home after the funeral this afternoon, and everyone is very sad, but one of the things that has brought greatjoy to everybody involved is that clive, right up untila everybody involved is that clive,
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right up until a couple of weeks ago was working on the last details of a book, which will be published next year, which is going to be fantastic. it has 80 poems that he had learned by heart, and his commentary is, his comments on why these are great poems, why they were reading even hundreds of years later, and it will be a lovely book. it will be out i think the middle of next year. thank you so much. a great tribute to him. i'm so sorry to interrupt from a very good of you to join us this evening. thank you very much for discussing clive james there. a great writer who has passed away this week. electioncast is coming up next. but first, the weather with chris fawkes. hello there. i can see some dry weatherjust on the weather horizon, but before we get there, we've got more rain to come overnight, and the rain could cause some problems again. eastern scotland, eastern areas of england, where it's going to be at its most persistent,
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there'll be some heavy bursts too. so we could be looking at some further surface water flooding issues. a few patches of rain elsewhere, but unlikely to cause problems away from the really wet weather we'll have across those eastern parts. through thursday, the rain sinks its way southwards through the day. so many areas will see rain at times. now, the mildest areas across the south, io—iid to the afternoon, but as the sunshine comes out in scotland and northern england, well, colder air will be moving in. temperature struggle through the afternoon, just 6 degrees in edinburgh and newcastle, you will notice the chill. now, beyond that, the trend is for a lot of dry weather to move in. it's going to be much colder than the weather we've seen of late. and, although, a few showers, the main story is that it's going to be nowhere near as much rain as we have seen over recent weeks.
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if anyone comes up to you and says they know what is going to happen, cocked an eyebrow, smile politely, and turn your back. that still makes me laugh. good evening, all. let's get personalfor a bit. it's me laugh. good evening, all. let's get personal for a bit. it's the election campaign affecting any of your relationships with your friends, family, partner? stay tuned because britain's best agony aunts, the hosts of the receipts podcast, will be dishing out some special electioncast advice at the end of the programme. so you should probably listen and follow their advice. but before we get to that, which is amazing, i sat down with laura to talk about today's big news story, which is what the labour party must make claims about what may or may not happen with the nhs if there is a trade deal with the us. so this morning, there was an e—mail from the labour party, saying, "get to this location at this time,
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jeremy corbyn will make a big so this morning, there was an e—mail from the labour party, saying, statement about the health service." what was it? a major statement. major — do you remember there was that era from 5—6 years ago, when it was a big a victoria beckham thing? things were "major, it's going to be a major". i don't remember that. maybe it was only me. but anyway, there was a major statement from jeremy corbyn. and people were wondering what it could be, and i thought, "what hasjeremy corbyn been trying to talk about more than anything else in this campaign? donald trump and the nhs." so there we were in the room, jeremy corbyn comes in after a very, very torrid day yesterday. after the andrew neil interview, as well? yes, yes. and it is worth noting that until quite late yesterday, jeremy corbyn was meant to be going to cornwall this morning. he walked in, brandishing pages and pages and pages of documents which are about the talks between the us and the uk — a potential trade deal after brexit. and these were talks done by british
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officials who went to washington, spoke to trump administration officials between summer 2017... betweenjune 2017 and july 2019. so it is the documentation from something that we knew about, which is called the uk—us trade working group — i think i have that right — which was set up by donald trump and theresa may to talk about how the us in the uk might be be able to do a trade deal, which in itself is a politically—charged affair after brexit. so technically, there would be an exploratory or preliminary talks. nowjeremy corbyn then went through the details — actually relatively few details, but he went through some of the papers with great fanfare, saying that they prove that the tories are putting the nhs up for sale. voters need to ask themselves very serious questions. is the nhs safe in boris johnson's hands? we've now got evidence that under borisjohnson, the nhs is on the table and will be up for sale.
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he tried to cover it up in a secret agenda, but today it is being exposed. now we know the truth that whenjohnson says "get brexit done", it is a fraud on the british people. this is the reality — years of bogged down negotiations, and our nhs is up for sale. this election is now a fight for the survival of our national health service. and you can hear all the cameras clicking away at this major announcement. it was a big event, and labour were key to change the subject after yesterday's shocker of a day forjeremy corbyn. but the important thing to understand about this is what these documents do and don't prove. they show that there have been a lot of conversations between american officials and uk officials about a trade deal. it shows that america wants a lot of access to uk markets, and it shows that america would like there to be more access
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for american drug companies to sell into the nhs. but what these documents don't show is that there is some kind of secret deal from the government to sell the nhs to american companies. it doesn't show that there are widescale plans for privatisation. and they simply don't show that there is a kind of advanced plot to sell off the nhs to donald trump. it's not there. but it does show that america wants to get a lot more access to the uk economy as part of a trade deal. but you and i know this from brexitcast — any international deal or negotiation is a two—way thing. and because we are still in the eu, the uk government is not by law allowed say what it would like. so it is kind of a very technical, very long american wish list. yes, and there was a lot of focus on the idea of patents for drugs. when does the time run out where a drug company owns that drug, and no one else can make it?
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there were a few discussions about that sort of stuff, and what the timelines are, how many years it is currently and how different it is across the atlantic. so there is talk about pharmaceuticals. there is talk about pharmaceuticals, absolutely it is in there. but there isn't agreement on anything, and a lot of it in these talks is really technical and quite dull. so lots of the talk about pharmaceuticals, you can see the officials explaining to the us officials how it works in the uk, because we are looking at completely different systems. and for the conservatives, it reminds me thatjust as it was maddening for the labour party that the tories came up with this £1.2 trillion of all the things they wanted to spend money on, they had to deny that and deny that... this is very frustrating for the conservatives, and you can hear how annoyed borisjohnson was. because he's ruled it out, and he had to do it again today. this is total nonsense. and it is endlessly repeated by the labour party that the nhs is somehow up for sale or going to be negotiated
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in a trade deal. nothing could be further from the truth. that will not happen under this government or indeed any conservative government. and i think what you heard from me today is our commitment to the nhs. and there's only one reason why the labour party continues to bring this up — which is a total invention. it is because they seek to distract from the great void at the heart of their principal policy of this election, which is brexit. i must admit, for most people, these are not a very easy orfun 600 pages to read. but i loved it. i loved it. laughter. there was so much trade, brexit, economic, and diplomatic geekery in there. fantastic. so people who might still be new to adam might not quite understand the kind of thing we are going on about here. this is the kind of thing that
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really gets adam going, 0k? "the us (tapper)" — this is clause 39 on page 26 — "set out that the latest example of an e—commerce tractor that the uk could look at was tpp. 0n moving data in client services, the us had tried to craft rules and put discipline around something. it raised big issues. a model had developed in tpp to allow exceptions for privacy in certain guidelines around" — oh, it's getting good now. "the us (tapper) was interested in discussing developing thinking on data flows. the uk explained that to bring the uk..." connolly versus tapper, whoa! can i just say that if you are listening rather than watching this, i'm not sure if anyone is filming this or not, adam was nodding along joyfully. i've never seen him look so happy since the beginning of this election. this is the kind of stuff that really gets him going. but once you read all 600 pages, the main thing is that a big part of our future will be the government
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pursuing a trade deal with america, but also a trade deal with the eu — two blocks that look at the world in completely different ways, and how will you reconcile the two? story of our lives. it is really interesting stuff, and you can see how aggressively the us will try to push. but a point has been made by someone who is actually at one of these meetings today. very exciting, you'll be excited by this — was that the uk has not legally been allowed to say but it would like, and they know that there are, for example, uk pharma companies that are desperate to try to get a bigger slice of the american market, which some americans wouldn't like the idea of. so the idea of trade agreements being a quid pro quo — the us is a giant compared to the uk... giant versus normal—sized, an average sized person. the other thing that leaks out, and trade geeks have been saying this for ages,
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is that lots of the stuff in america happens at the state level, and you can negotiate with the federal government. they can't say what's arkansas's rules for arkansas's architects. do you know arkansas's rules for arka nsas's architects? i haven't had the chance to look at them. 600 pages, that's what i was doing this afternoon. right, now i'd like to introduce you to some very special guests in the electioncast h0. would you like to introduce yourselves? of course, we will go how we normally go. it's your girl, tolly t. audrey, formally known as gha na's finest... speaks spanish. laughter. but you know about, i feel like politics needs a little bit of 0w, so we are here to give it to you. producer dino said i had to join in with that, and i said i would not. just say "ow". 0w. you sound like you're in pain a little bit. and also sounds quite low, compared to yours. it sounds like someone has hurt you. i'm not hurt, i'm excited. now for people who don't know who you are, can you explain what your podcast is all about?
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of course, we are the receipts podcast, and we are like an everyday chat. 0ur tag line, which makes me cringe a little bit now, "three girls that will talk about anything and everything." so we talk about relationships a lot — an awful lot. we talk about our relationships, love lives, anything that pertains with being a black and brown woman in the uk — dating, living, living, and trying to survive. it's like a group chat come to life. audrey, are you at work? iam, yes. does your boss know you're doing this? he does now! do you ever discuss politics or the election? you know what, we did once "shack, marry, avoid" with politicians, which i'm a little bit ashamed. but it happened, and we must be honest that it happen. and we are all very much like a certain party voter, so we have agreements on views. so it is never like a heated debate.
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we are all kind of like, "we think that, too". we would actually be messed up if we had different opinions in terms of that, because that is such a huge thing. i probably wouldn't like you guys much. can we agree to disagree? that is the mature thing to do, or you could just not be friends. well we have you here for a very specific task. which is the electioncast—ers have sent in their dilemmas for you to solve. and i've distributed them around the table. who wants to go first? i can go first. here's our first dilemma. "hi, ladies. i met my fiance at uni in 2010 and we both studied international politics. when we first met, we shared the same clinical views. however in the past year, has clinical views changed drastically for i've tried to have conversations but he doesn't talk to me properly if i bring up things like having children in the future or what we would want to teach them regarding politics. ialso or what we would want to teach them regarding politics. i also i really don't want to influence nor change
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his views as he is a grown adult, but is views are very extreme. i love him but mmr right to be concerned? i'm so confused, please help." she's absolutely right to be concerned. i wouldn't be friends with these lot if they said my fiance... ithink with these lot if they said my fiance... i think it is about raising our kids, what will be — because my mum has a massive influence on who i voted for. that's massive for me. so how will he influence our kids? may be kid should have their own opinions? but it matters how you are brought up in what you are brought up believing... but it shows you that people do change. i was just but it shows you that people do change. i wasjust about to say that. this is absolute important in the same way that i would ask, do you want to get married in the future? the same question i would ask is where religion are you? i need to make sure we are compatible. so my think would be you can come to me saying you support this party, and you can change your mind. what you do if someone has changed their mind? to leave? she has said that he
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his views have changed drastically, so his views have changed drastically, so that is literally from i'm thinking one extreme to the other. so maybe it was like, i don't know, eight remainer to a leaver, or the other way? you guys are not married, cut it off. audrey, should she cut it off? i don't think she should. was it that he changed his mind? yes. yes, he's become different. i think that's a bit sticky. but i think that's a bit sticky. but i think that's a bit sticky. but i think that when it comes to decisions that will affect your household and how you rate your family, it is quite a big thing. but i think they should try to figure it out. i don't think they should end it. i think one thing that should happen is mature conversation. he was saying that she was saying he doesn't let her talk about it. you need to be open and realistic with each other. that's what's so hard about talking about politics because
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it turns into an argument. if there isa it turns into an argument. if there is a way to talk about it without it turning into an argument... you don't need to debate. turning into an argument... you don't need to debatelj turning into an argument... you don't need to debate. i think it is one of those things that gets really heated. next question. she says," i am halfway in the eu and canadian nationality, and i'm still single. his brexit to blame? " laura has shown up. nice to meet you. audrey is on the screen there. it's laura. how many limits have you got? these are the trade talks between the us in the uk, they are full of dilemmas and we will talk about this later. i must go do this in a minute. let's start again. " i'm canadian and eu nationality on my bumble profile, and i'm still single. it is brexit
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to blame? " and i'm still single. it is brexit to blame?" what you think? the economy isjust to blame?" what you think? the economy is just generally awful at the moment when it comes to dating. i don't think brexit has anything to do with it, but i stand by that the economy is awful and must be taken circe. nobody is unable to find a decent partner anyway. circe. nobody is unable to find a decent partner anywaylj circe. nobody is unable to find a decent partner anyway. i love how we blame everything on brexit now. laughter. i couldn't find any eggs in the shop because of brexit. so it could actually be that this girl is a bit annoying? can have nothing to do with her profile. also, who puts their nationality in their profile? is that we? she think it is an attractive thing secular maybe she thinks it is attractive. eu and canadian? canadians are nice suckering to help her out, she needs to re m ove suckering to help her out, she needs to remove that and start again, just get a new bio. say she's interested in trade policy. orjust a generic,
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"hi,| in trade policy. orjust a generic, "hi, lam... and i love to in trade policy. orjust a generic, "hi, i am... and i love to party and drink. " "hi, i am... and i love to party and drink." laura has to go, so here's one. this was sent to me by quite an important person in the whole political diplomatic eu — uk world, but i can't reveal who it is. "dear adam. do you have any idea to make advice for someone who finds themselves caught in the middle of a messy divorce after a0 plus years? asking for offend." she's asking for herself, first of all. i think it's because of brexit is like a divorce after a0 yea rs. because of brexit is like a divorce after 40 years. i would try to work it out. i would not try to leave on bad terms. i would try to find a solution that works for both you and your partner as much as possible. and also, maybe if we could think about this and ask again — is this what we really want? do we really
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wa nt what we really want? do we really want this divorce, or do we want to regain our thoughts and see what else we get to? she doesn't know that it else we get to? she doesn't know thatitis else we get to? she doesn't know that it is brexit. i think it doesn't matter how long you been married for, you should leave. doesn't matter how long you been married for, you should leavelj think they should come together and find a new kind of a deal. me to. they should and that relationship. in this conversation, we have second referendum, deal, no deal right there. we could've saved ourselves there. we could've saved ourselves the last three and a half years. can divorces and well, or do they always end badly? i think itjust depends oi'i end badly? i think itjust depends on the situation. it's the kids, and by the kids, i mean the citizens, and this relationship, and how they deal with the post birth tobacco
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divorce. we have another question. second dilemma, my brother is standing as an mp in this election. "vehemently disagree with, putting everything his party to spouses. we've always argued about politics, but it feels more important this time around. as we each feel our representatives... respective parties would ruin the nation for years to come. how on earth to christmas without talking about it? it would feel fake. ps, electioncast is and i'll democrat island of sanity for some thank you for making my morning commute. " sanity for some thank you for making my morning commute." what should they do? they should get drunk at christmas so they don't have to talk about it some point they'll talk about it some point they'll talk about it some point they'll talk about it more if they are drunk. the truth comes out when the liquor goes in. something we've forgotten how to doa in. something we've forgotten how to do a bit in westminster is to just disagree respectfully, and say that's ok, you think that? that's interesting. cheers! the best outcome for this might be that her
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brother doesn't win the election. he just goes back to normality. brother doesn't win the election. he just goes back to normalitylj brother doesn't win the election. he just goes back to normality. i found it easy that her democrat it is her brother, who she doesn't have to see oi'i brother, who she doesn't have to see ona brother, who she doesn't have to see on a daily basis. she only has to see him on occasions, so it's fine. you only have to bear him for a few hours stop what he says it is only christmas, not like the next weekend and the weekend afterwards.” thought it was borisjohnson is the brother, then it was a ps. what will christmas be like for the johnsons? you heard it here first. a bit complicated. it'll be weird. we took the name for obvious reasons.” complicated. it'll be weird. we took the name for obvious reasons. i have to go do this. goodbye, laura. i will leave these papers here and come back and chat about them later. what you think about the state of politics when you watch and see in the news? is like gun culture, when you see them shouting and screaming at each other. "wait, these are the people that will run the country?" hold on a minute, these people are
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going to determine what happens to oui’ going to determine what happens to our future and what goes on? i can't believe it. definitely implement at the word order when i'm with my friends. 0rder, order! the word order when i'm with my friends. order, order! of goat to game nights, and someone shouts order! we love it, it is our favourite thing. audrey, do you like watching politics news, or are you just like, you? i do, i like sunday morning live, i like debate shows more as opposed to listening to the news. i like to get the conflicting arguments, i like it when it gets heated. it makes it more interesting. she likes it when people yell at each other.” interesting. she likes it when people yell at each other. i watched the debate the other day which was really interesting, so that's what i like to do. i listen to the news every single morning, i listen to bbc news every morning, i like to get the headlines in so i know i'm dealing with throughout the day.
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get the headlines in so i know i'm dealing with throughout the daym there anything that you just really don't get, you don't understand what that means? 0r don't get, you don't understand what that means? or is there a where people using that you don't know?” think there's a lot that i'm not aware of, and my knowledge when it comes to this is pretty basic somewhat do i need to know, who do i need to vote for, and why? that's it. but in terms of knowing exactly what is going on, i'm like,... we feel like that as well for some sundays, it is just like facts, fa cts , sundays, it is just like facts, facts, claim, claim, argument! who's telling the truth? what confuses me is sometimes itjust comes out of nowhere. the way, this wasn't here the last time we got to vote. who are these people now? is ever worth voting for those random parties other than the two big ones? can they actually shift the vote? did you just waste a vote? we are com pletely you just waste a vote? we are completely impartial here, so you can't say who you will vote for, but
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will you be voting? absolutely. 100%. will you be voting? absolutely. 10096. i kind of make a trip out of it. it's really weird, it's like a tradition — i'm first—generation so my mum tradition — i'm first—generation so itiy itiuiti was tradition — i'm first—generation so my mum was not born here, but that is the one time she really feels that she's british. we all wait till everyone gets home from work. we walked to the polling stations together because we live in a village, so it is quite cute. we ta ke village, so it is quite cute. we take our picture then go out, and everyone votes. democracy brings you together for one everyone votes. democracy brings you togetherfor one brief everyone votes. democracy brings you together for one brief moment. everyone votes. democracy brings you togetherfor one brief moment. then you can argue about the result. most definitely. do you make a thing of voting? no, not really. ivote on definitely. do you make a thing of voting? no, not really. i vote on my owi'i. voting? no, not really. i vote on my own. my mum goes to the same place every single year, and that is it. it depends on where i am, i will go. but i don't think we ever really speak about it that much. we just say who we are voting for, but we don't go into detail as to why or anything. but it is my little
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sister's first year of voting, which is amazing, so she really kind of has taken everything in. she feels like an absolute adult now, which is amazing. just one of the things that makes you feel like in a grown—up, like you've arrived. audrey, do you find — how do you feel when your pencil is hovering over the box? it's a bit of a moment for me, i feel like i'm really making a difference, because it is so vital and important, and every vote counts. so i kind of make a thing. i don't go with my family, i go alone. but i take a deep breath and go to the school opposite my house, and about there. and ijust feel really, like, proud when i do it, like a making a difference. is so easy to say i voted because everyone else is talking about it, nobody has to know you didn't do it. but when i actually do it, i'm very proud of myself. i scratch the pencil really
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hard, so someone can tell i tried. i'm going to make sure i can rub this out. also most importantly, i get my voting sticker, as well. we get my voting sticker, as well. we get stickers at our station. it's so amazing that this year, we've influenced each other and so many others to go register to vote. like we are all coming together now. let's see if everyone feels that way the day after on the 13th. thanks so much for coming in, how do people get the receipts podcast? we are out every single wednesdays on spotify. it is like politics all over again. we have one episode where we just talk, then next week is all the receipts where we answer dilemmas like you heard today, but less politically inclined. will be back
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tomorrow with brexit cast. goodbye. hello there. i can see some drier weather just on the hello there. i can see some drier weatherjust on the weather horizon. but before we get there, we have more rain to come overnight. in the rain could cause some problems again. eastern scotland and eastern areas of england where it will be at its most persistent, along with heavy bursts. so we could be looking at some further surface water flooding issues. a few patches of rain elsewhere, but unlikely to cause problems away from the really wet weather we have across those eastern parts. thursday, the rain sinks southwards through the day. so many areas will see rain at times. the mildest areas across the south, 10-11 the mildest areas across the south, 10—11 cell sister the afternoon. but as the sunshine comes out in northern england and scotland, the colder air will move move in. temperature is struggling. you will notice the shell. beyond that, the trend is for lots of dry weather to
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come in for some it will be colder than the weather we've seen as of late. although a few showers, the main story is there will be nowhere near as much rain as we've seen main story is there will be nowhere near as much rain as we've seen over recent weeks. hello, i'm ros atkins, this is 0utside source. malta's government is under pressure as the investigation over a murdered journalist widens. there are protests outside parliament as the prime minister's chief of staff is being questioned by police. he's had to resign alongside two government ministers. daphne caruana galitcia was killed in a car bomb attack after writing about corruption. her sister has been speaking to us. the people we are seeing resigning now, should of resigned years ago. the people who are being arrested now should have been arrested years ago too. and definitely, he should go as well, his position is even more untenable now than it was before. 0n the campaign trail in the uk — labour has produced documents that detail discussions between us and uk trade officials
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