tv Electioncast BBC News November 28, 2019 2:30am-3:01am GMT
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after president donald trump signed legislation backing protesters in hong kong. the legislation requires the state department to certify that hong kong retains enough autonomy to justify favourable us trading terms. the islands government says it opposes and regrets donald trump's decision. the maltese government is under intense pressure as protests continue over the murder of a prominentjournalist. daphne caruana galizia was killed two years ago by a car bomb. she was investigating corruption on the island. malta's prime ministerjoseph muscat is facing calls to resign. rescuers in albania have saved a small boy as they continue to search for survivors of tuesday's earthquake — the worst in the country for years. at least 30 people are known to have died in the six—point—four—magnitude quake. the prime minister has declared a state of emergency. welcome to bbc news.
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i'm mike embley. our top stories: you are up—to—date on the headlines. china says it will take "firm now on bbc news it's time counter measures" as president trump for electioncast with adam fleming. signs legislation giving american backing to protesters in hong kong. more protests in malta, as an investigation into the murder of a prominentjournalist put the government under intense pressure. from makeup advice to human rights watch, we speak to the tiktok star who claims china tried to censor her free speech. and clive james — one of australia's that still makes me laugh. good most celebrated broadcasters and writers — has died evening all. is the election at the age of 80. campaign affecting any of your relationships? stay tuned. britain's best agony aunt, the host of the receives podcast are going to be dishing out some special election cast advice at the end of the programme. you should probably listen and follow their advice. before we get to that, which is amazing, isac down with more 0k to
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talk about the big news story. which is the labour party's claims about what might or might not happen to the nhs when there is a trade deal oi’ the nhs when there is a trade deal or if there is a trade deal with the united states of america. so this morning, there was an e—mail from the labour party, saying, "get to this location at this time, jeremy corbyn will make a big statement about the health service." what was it? a major statement. major — do you remember there was that era from 5—6 years ago, when it was a big a victoria beckham thing? things were "major, it's going to be a major". i don't remember that. maybe it was only me. but anyway, there was a major statement from jeremy corbyn. and people were wondering what it could be, and i thought, "what hasjeremy corbyn been trying to talk about more than anything else in this campaign? donald trump and the nhs." so there we were in the room, jeremy corbyn comes in after a very, very torrid day yesterday. after the andrew neil interview, as well? yes, yes. and it is worth noting that until quite late yesterday, jeremy corbyn was meant to be going to cornwall this morning.
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he walked in, brandishing pages and pages and pages of documents which are about the talks between the us and the uk — a potential trade deal after brexit. and these were talks done by british officials who went to washington, spoke to trump administration officials between summer 2017... betweenjune 2017 and july 2019. so it is the documentation from something that we knew about, which is called the uk—us trade working group — i think i have that right — which was set up by donald trump and theresa may to talk about how the us and the uk might be able to do a trade deal, which in itself is a politically—charged affair, after brexit. so technically, there would be an exploratory or preliminary talks. nowjeremy corbyn then went through the details — actually relatively few details — but he went through some of the papers with great fanfare, saying that they prove that the tories are putting the nhs up for sale.
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voters need to ask themselves some very serious questions. is the nhs safe in boris johnson's hands? we've now got evidence that under borisjohnson, the nhs is on the table and will be up for sale. he tried to cover it up in a secret agenda, but today it is being exposed. now we know the truth that whenjohnson says "get brexit done", it is a fraud on the british people. this is the reality — years of bogged—down negotiations, and our nhs is up for sale. this election is now a fight for the survival of our national health service. and you can hear all the cameras clicking away at this major announcement. it was a big event, and labour were key to change the subject after yesterday's shocker of a day forjeremy corbyn. but the important thing to understand about this is what these documents do and don't prove. they show that there have been a lot of conversations between american officials and uk officials
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about a trade deal. it shows that america wants a lot of access to uk markets, and it shows that america would like there to be more access for american drug companies to sell them into the nhs. but what these documents don't show is that there is some kind of secret deal for the government to sell the nhs to american companies. it doesn't show that there are wide scale plans for privatisation. and they simply don't show that there is a kind of advanced plot to sell off the nhs to donald trump. it's not there. but it does show that america wants to get a lot more access to the uk economy as part of a trade deal. but you and i know this from brexitcast — any international deal or negotiation is a two—way thing. and because we are still in the eu, the uk government is not by law allowed say what it would like. so it is kind of a very technical, very long american wish list.
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yes, and there was a lot of focus on the idea of patents for drugs. when does the time run out where a drug company owns that drug, and no one else can make it? there were a few discussions about that sort of stuff, and what the timelines are, how many years it is currently and how different it is across the atlantic. so there is talk about pharmaceuticals. there is talk about pharmaceuticals, absolutely, it is in there. but there isn't agreement on anything, and a lot of it in these talks is really technical and quite dull. so lots of the talk about pharmaceuticals, you can see the officials explaining to the us officials how it works in the uk, because we are looking at completely different systems. and for the conservatives, it reminds me thatjust as it was maddening for the labour party that the tories came up with this £1.2 trillion of all the things they wanted to spend money on, they had to deny that and deny that... this is very frustrating for the conservatives, and you can hear how annoyed boris johnson was.
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because he's ruled it out, and he had to do it again today. this is total nonsense. and it is endlessly repeated by the labour party that the nhs is somehow up for sale or going to be negotiated in a trade deal. nothing could be further from the truth. that will not happen under this government or indeed any conservative government. and i think what you heard from me today is our commitment to the nhs. and there's only one reason why the labour party continues to bring this up — which is a total invention. it is because they seek to distract from the great void at the heart of their principal policy of this election, which is about brexit. i must admit, for most people, these are not a very easy or fun 600 pages to read. but i loved it. i loved it. laughter. there was so much trade, brexit, economic, and diplomatic geekery in there. fantastic.
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so people who might still be new to adam might not quite understand the kind of thing we are going on about here. this is the kind of thing that really gets adam going, 0k? "the us (tapper)" — this is clause 39 on page 26 — "set out that the latest example of an e—commerce tractor that the uk could look at was tpp. 0n moving data in client services, the us had tried to craft rules and put discipline around something. it raised big issues. a model had developed in tpp to allow exceptions for privacy in certain guidelines around" — oh, it's getting good now. "the us (tapper) was interested in discussing developing thinking on data flows. the uk explained that to bring the uk..." connolly versus tapper, whoa! can i just say that if you are listening rather than watching this, i'm not sure if anyone is filming this or not,
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adam was nodding along joyfully. i've never seen him look so happy since the beginning of this election. this is the kind of stuff that really gets him going. but once you read all 600 pages, the main thing is that a big part of our future will be the government pursuing a trade deal with america, but also a trade deal with the eu — two blocks that look at the world in completely different ways, and how will you reconcile the two? story of our lives. it is really interesting stuff, and you can see how aggressively the us will try to push. but a point has been made by someone who was actually at one of these meetings today. very exciting, you'll be excited by this — was that the uk has not legally been allowed to say what it would like, and they know that there are, for example, uk pharma companies that are desperate to try to get a bigger slice of the american market, which some americans wouldn't like the idea of. so the idea of trade agreements being a quid pro quo — obviously the us is a giant compared to the uk...
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giant versus normal—sized, an average sized person. the other thing that leaks out, and trade geeks have been saying this for ages, is that lots of the stuff in america happens at the state level, and you can negotiate only with the federal government. they can't say what's arkansas's rules for arkansas's architects. do you know arkansas's rules for arka nsas's architects? i haven't had the chance to look at them. 600 pages, that's what i was doing this afternoon. right, now i'd like to introduce you to some very special guests in the electioncast hq. would you like to introduce yourselves? of course, we will go how we normally go. it's your girl, tolly t. audrey, formally known as gha na's finest... speaks spanish. laughter. but you know about, i feel like politics needs a little bit of "ow", so we are here to give it to you. producer dino said i had to join in with that, and i said i would not. just say "ow". 0w.
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you sound like you're in pain a little bit. and also sounds quite low, compared to yours. it sounds like someone has hurt you. i'm not hurt, i'm excited and overjoyed. now for people who don't know who you are, can you explain what your podcast is all about? of course, we are the receipts podcast, and we are like an everyday chat. 0ur tag line, which makes me cringe a little bit now, "three girls that will talk about anything and everything." so we talk about relationships a lot — an awful lot. we talk about our relationships, love lives, sex — anything that pertains with being a black and brown woman in the uk — dating, living, and trying to survive. it's like a group chat come to life. audrey, are you at work? iam, yes. does your boss know you're doing this? he does now! do you ever discuss politics or the election? you know what, we did once "shack, marry, avoid" with politicians,
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which i'm a little bit ashamed. but it happened, and we must be honest that it happen. and we are all very much like a certain party voter, so we have agreements on views. so it is never like a heated debate. we are all kind of like, "we think that, too". we would actually be messed up if we had different opinions in terms of that, because that is such a huge thing. i probably wouldn't like you guys much. can we agree to disagree? that is the mature thing to do, or you could just not be friends. well we have you here for a very specific task. which is the electioncast—ers have sent in their dilemmas for you to solve. and i've distributed them around the table. who wants to go first? i can go first. here's our first dilemma. "hi, ladies. i met my fiance at uni in 2010 and we both studied international politics. when we first met, we shared the same political views. however in the past year, his political views have changed drastically. i've tried to have conversations,
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but he doesn't talk to me properly if i bring up things like having children in the future, or what we would want to teach them regarding politics. i also really don't want to influence nor change his views as he is a grown adult, but is views are very extreme. i love him, but am i right to be concerned? i'm so confused, please help." she's absolutely right to be concerned. i wouldn't be friends with these lot if they said my fiance... i think it is about raising our kids, what will be — because my mum has a massive influence on who i voted for. that's massive for me. so how will he influence our kids? maybe kids should have their own opinions? but it matters how you are brought up in what you are brought up believing... but it shows you that people do change. i was just about to say that. this is absolute important in the same way that i would ask, do you want to get married in the future? the same question i would ask is where religion are you? i need to make sure we are compatible. so my thing would be you can come to me saying you support this party, and you can change your mind. what do you do if someone has changed their mind?
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do you leave? she has said that his views have changed drastically, so that is literally from i'm thinking one extreme to the other. so maybe it was like, i don't know, a remainer to a leaver, or the other way around ? you guys are not married, cut it off. audrey, should she cut it off? i don't think she should. was it that he changed his mind? yes. yes, he's become different. i think that's a bit sticky. but i think that when it comes to decisions that will affect your household and how you rate your family, it is quite a big thing. but i think they should try to figure it out. i don't think they should end it. i think one thing that should happen is a mature conversation. she was saying he doesn't let her talk about it. you need to be open and realistic with each other. that's what's so hard about talking about politics, because it turns into an argument.
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if there is a way to talk about it without it turning into an argument... you don't need to debate. i think it is one of those things that gets really heated. next question. she says, "i am halfway in the eu and canadian nationality, and i'm still single. is brexit to blame?" laura has shown up. they chatter. laura has shown up. nice to meet you. audrey is on the screen there. it's laura. how many dilemmas have you got? these are the trade talks between the us in the uk, they are full of dilemmas and we will talk about this later.
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i must go do this in a minute. let's start again. "i'm canadian and eu nationality, on my bumble profile, and i'm still single. it brexit to blame?" what do you think? the economy isjust generally awful at the moment, when it comes to dating. i don't think brexit has anything to do with it, but i stand by that the economy is awful and must be taken seriously. nobody is able to find a decent partner, anyway. i love how we blame everything on brexit now. laughter. "i couldn't find any eggs in the shop because of brexit." so it could actually be that this girl is a bit annoying? it can have nothing to do with her profile. also, who puts their nationality in their profile? is that weird? she think it is an attractive thing. maybe she thinks it is attractive. eu and canadian? canadians are nice.
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she needs to remove that and start again, just get a new bio. say she's interested in trade policy. 0rjust a generic, "hi, i am... and i love to party and drink." laura has to go, so here's one. this was sent to me by quite an important person in the whole political diplomatic eu—uk world, but i can't reveal who it is. "dear adam, do you have any idea to make advice for someone who finds themselves caught in the middle of a messy divorce after 40—plus years? asking for a friend." she's asking for herself, first of all. i think it's because brexit is like a divorce after a0 years. i would try to work it out. i would not try to leave on bad terms. i would try to find a solution that works for both you and your partner
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as much as possible. and also, maybe if we could think about this and ask again — is this what we really want? "do we really want this divorce, or do we want to regain our thoughts and see what else we get to?" she doesn't know that it is brexit. i think it doesn't matter how long you been married for, you should leave. i think they should come together and find a new kind of a deal. me too. they should brexit that relationship. in this conversation, we have second referendum, deal, no—deal right there. we could've saved ourselves the last three—and—a—half years.
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can divorces end well, or do they always end badly? i think itjust depends on the situation. it's the kids — and by the kids, i mean the citizens — in this relationship, and how they deal with the post—divorce. we have another question. second dilemma, my brother is standing as an mp in this election. "vehemently disagree with, putting everything his party to spouses. we've always argued about politics, but it feels more important this time around. as we each feel our representatives... respective parties would ruin the nation for years to come. how on earth do we do christmas without talking about it? it would feel fake. ps, electioncast is an island of sanity for some thank you for making my morning commute. " what should they do? they should get drunk at christmas so they don't have to talk about it and at some point they'll talk about it more if they are drunk. the truth comes out
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when the liquor goes in. that's hard. something we've forgotten how to do a bit in westminster is tojust disagree respectfully, and say that's ok, you think that? that's interesting. cheers! the best outcome for this might be that her brother doesn't win the election. he just goes back to normality. i found it easy that it is her brother, who she doesn't have to see on a daily basis. she only has to see him on occasions, so it's fine. you only have to bear him for a few hours. she says it is only christmas, not like the next weekend and the weekend afterwards. i thought it was borisjohnson and is the brother, then it was a ps. what will christmas be like for the johnsons? you heard it here first. a bit complicated. it'll be weird. we took the name for obvious reasons. i have to go do this. goodbye, laura. i will leave these papers here and come back and chat about them later.
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what you think about the state of politics when you watch and see in the news? is like gun culture, when you see them shouting and screaming at each other. "wait, these are the people that will run the country?" hold on a minute, these people are going to determine what happens to our future and what goes on? i can't believe it. definitely implement the word order when i'm with my friends. order, order! i go on game nights, and someone shouts order! we love it, it is our favourite thing. audrey, do you like watching politics news, or are you just like, you? i do, i like sunday morning live, i like debate shows more as opposed to listening to the news. i like to get the conflicting arguments, i like it when it gets heated. it makes it more interesting. she likes it when people
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yell at each other. i watched the debate the other day which was really interesting, so that's what i like to do. i listen to the news every single morning, i listen to bbc news every morning, i like to get the headlines in so i know i'm dealing with throughout the day. is there anything that you just really don't get, you don't understand what that means? or is there a where people using that you don't know? i think there's a lot that i'm not aware of, and my knowledge when it comes to this is pretty basic. so my questions are, "what i need to know is, who do i need to vote for, and why?" that's it. but in terms of knowing exactly what is going on, i'mlike,... we feel like that, as well. some days, it's just like, "facts, facts, claim, claim, argument!" who's telling the truth?
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what confuses me is sometimes it just comes out of nowhere. "hold on, this wasn't here the last time we got to vote. who are these people now? is it ever worth voting for those random parties other than the two big ones? can they actually shift the vote? did you just waste a vote?" we are completely impartial here, so you can't say who you will vote for, but will you be voting? absolutely. 100%. i kind of make a trip out of it. it's really weird, it's like a tradition — i'm first—generation, so my mum was not born here, but that is the one time she really feels that she's british. we all wait till everyone gets home from work. we walked to the polling stations together because we live in a village, so it is quite cute. we take our picture then go out, and everyone votes. democracy brings you together for one brief moment. then you can argue about the result. most definitely. do you make a thing of voting? no, not really. i vote on my own. my mum goes to the same place every single year,
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and that is it. it depends on where i am, i will go. but i don't think we ever really speak about it that much. we just say who we are voting for, but we don't go into detail as to why or anything. but it is my little sister's first year of voting, which is amazing, so she really kind of has taken everything in. she feels like an absolute adult now, which is amazing. just one of the things that makes you feel like in a grown—up, like you've arrived. audrey, do you find — how do you feel when your pencil is hovering over the box? it's a bit of a moment for me, ifeel like i'm really making a difference, because it is so vital and important, and every vote counts. so i kind of make a thing. i don't go with my family, i go alone. but i take a deep breath and go to the school opposite my house, and about there.
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and ijust feel really, like, proud when i do it, like a making a difference. it's so easy to say "i voted" because everyone else is talking about it, nobody has to know you didn't do it. but when i actually do it, i'm very proud of myself. i scratch the pencil really hard, so someone can tell i tried. "i'm going to make sure i can rub this out." also most importantly, i get my voting sticker, as well. we get stickers at our station. it's so amazing that this year, we've influenced each other and so many others to go register to vote. like, we're all coming together now. let's see if everyone feels that way the day after on the 13th. thanks so much for coming in, how do people get the receipts podcast? we are out every single wednesday on spotify. it is like politics all over again. we have one episode where we just talk, then next week is all the receipts where we answer dilemmas like you heard today, but less politically inclined.
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hello. yesterday relentless rain, we saw scenes like these across parts of scotland and the north—east of england. today we are anticipating things becoming drier here is the rain sinks southwards. as it does so, though, we're gonna see much colder air following on behind it. this is below‘s been generating older wet wet weather. this trailing front is what's left of it for us today, and behind the front, a northerly wind picks up. the arctic air starts to feed in and it will trickle its way all the ways south by the end of the week. so, first thing today, still some rain across the north—east of england, that will clear, i think, through the morning. then our front brings quite wet conditions do northern ireland,
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wales and southern counties of england as we had on into the afternoon, early evening. but we are still seeing temperatures peaking in double figures here. in the north, clear skies, much more sunshine, but a cutting northerly wind and highs of just five and six, feeling very, very different, even by this afternoon. 0n through the evening and overnight, some heavy rain for a while out of that front across southern england, perhaps in wintry showers coming in on the northerly wind to parts of scotland. we've also got some ice here first thing on friday. and a widespread frost, just enough cloud to the south holding temperatures up. but a hard frost as well for some more rawer parts of scotland. chance of a few more wintry showers here, too on friday. the northerly wind perhaps a little lighter, there's still a chance of some showers coming in off the north sea coast, and they could wintry across the north york moors. a chilly day, just about everywhere, just four degrees there in aberdeen. i day on into saturday, we still have the area of high pressure with us, that will mean a lots of dry and chilly weather across the uk, but this low is set to come into play across into saturday, winding its way into the south—west of england, it will mean some milder conditions,
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it could also be a prolonged spell of rain and pretty strong winds as well. a little bit of uncertainty as to just how far north that rain may reach and how far east. so, 11 for example, in wet plymouth, elsewhere with sunshine, five, six, seven. still feeling chilly, but with lighter winds, and i think we'll see to end the week. saturday into sunday, the lows of into the continent, the highs starts to build again. it's because the high re orientates a little bit, we could see a bit more cloud to monday, tuesday for scotland, some patchy rain possible at times but gradually some milder air feeding in here. 00:28:27,560 --> 2147483051:50:58,494 they chilly outlook for all of us 2147483051:50:58,494 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 to start next week.
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