hello. it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. senior police figures have criticised the decision to prosecute this police officer on a charge of possessing indecent images of children after she recvied a picture from her sister on whatsapp. she failed to report it, but says she never saw it. she has acted in —— impeccably throughout this, she has been professional and she still remains a role model within policing. we'll speak to a child protection expert who said she could have been given a caution. labour will make a fresh attempt to appeal to leave voters by explaining the kind of brexit deal it would put to a further referendum. we've been to barrow—in—furness, which voted to leave the eu, and labour won byjust over 200

votes in the last election. it's myjob to convince people to trust us, to trust the party. i would not be standing under the leadership ofjeremy corbyn, under the labour party, if i believed that anything bad was going to happen to that shipyard. supermarkets‘ plastic footprint is on the up, with seven out of 10 supermarkets using more plastic in 2018 than the previous year. and use of these — so—called "bags for life" — has gone up by nearly a third. and overall recycling dropped by 3% last year. and, has violence during consensual sex has become normalised? a third of uk women under the age of a0 have experienced unwanted slapping, choking, gagging or spitting. hello. welcome to the programme.

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aide, dominic cummings, has warned the election is "much tighter" than the polls indicate. he said voting for nigel farage‘s brexit party in key target seats risked another hung parliament. donald trump has approved a new law backing protesters in hong kong despite angry objections from beijing. the legislation requires the state department to certify that hong kong retains enough autonomy to justify favourable us trading terms. china has warned it will take firm counter—measures. new figures show that net migration has fallen to its lowest level in nearly six years. eu net migration which is immigration minus emigration has fallen to 118,000. the office for national statistics says this is largely because of a fall in eu immigration. their data shows 12,000 more people moved to britain than left, the lowest total since the year ending in september 2013. funerals have been held for some of the vietnamese people who were found dead in a refrigerated lorry

in the uk last month. so far 16 of the victims have arrived back in their home country. they were among 39 migrants, eight women and 31 males, including two boys aged 15, found in essex on 23 october. the bodies of the remaining victims will be repatriated in the coming days. a major trial of an immunotherapy drug has shown it can be effective for some men whose prostate cancer has stopped responding to other treatments. researchers found that a small proportion of men, described as "super responders", remained well even after the trial ended, despite a very poor prognosis before treatment. last week, the same drug was reported to have proved effective in dealing with advanced head and neck cancers. sales of "bags for life" rose to one and a half billion last year as the amount of plastic used by supermarkets increased to 900,000 tonnes, greenpeace research has found. campaigners are calling

for higher charges for the bags or a complete ban as the research showed households bought an average of sa a year. in 2016, there were 2 billion single—use bags sold. bags for life must be used four times to be better for the environment. retailers say they have reduced plastic packaging for their own—brand products. the chinese—owned social network tiktok has apologised to a us teenager who was blocked from the service after she posted a viral clip criticising china's treatment of the uighur muslims. the firm said it had now lifted the ban, maintaining it was due to 17—year—old feroza aziz‘s prior conduct on the app — and unrelated to chinese politics. additionally, the firm said "human moderation error" was to blame for the video being taken down on thursday for almost an hour. tiktok, owned by beijing—based bytedance, has insisted it does not apply chinese moderation principles to its product outside of mainland

china. that is a summary of our main news so that is a summary of our main news so far. back to you, chloe. senior police figures have criticised the decision to prosecute a black police officer on a charge of possessing indecent images of children. novlett robyn williams was seen as a rising star in the metropolitan police. she was sentenced to 200 hours of community service and put on the sex offenders register for five years this week, after her sister sent her, and 16 other people, an indecent image of a child on whatsapp. williams failed to report it. superintendent williams insisted she'd never even seen the material on her phone. writing in the times today, the former commissioner of the met police lord ian blair said he did not think the prosecution was in the public interest. "i have not heard the evidence and i do not criticise the conviction because that is a matter

for thejudge and jury, but i am very concerned about." this is a police officer who has had an exemplary career. " i've been speaking tojim gamble, former chief executive of the child exploitation and 0nline protection centre, or ceops, and janet hills, president of the national black police association who has been supporting superintendent williams. she is, basically, looking at appealing the decision and that is where she is at the moment in terms of her and her legal team, they are looking at the possibility of doing an appeal. why do you think the case was pursued? you know what? only the powers can be can tell you the rationale for this. what i can say is that there are internal processes that allow for people that find themselves in innocent possession of this kind of material to be dealt

with differently and with discretion. jim gamble, with that be the appropriate course of action or was it right that the case was brought against this officer?” was it right that the case was brought against this officer? i do not know whether the officer needed to be taken to court. there are alternative means of disposal like a formal caution but the issue at play here is this is that when an indecent image of a child is circulated that child is re—victimised and within the whatsapp group actually recognised it for what it was and reported it. the predicament this particular officer found themselves in, having received it from a family member, that adds to the difficulty, if you are a civilian and if you recognise it's an indecent image in the first place and that something for the courts to respond to and they now have done but the law provides, in essence , have done but the law provides, in essence, a have done but the law provides, in essence, a broad defence to this. if

you receive an image you have not solicited, you have not sought out, the balance will be how quickly you reported it, how quickly did you make the authorities aware and did you share it with anybody else? and once you share it with anybody else? and once that image if it's received by an innocent party, say you are the it manager in a company or a police officer and somebody sends it to you and says look what i have found you will then be judged on how quickly you report that and how quickly the image can be taken down. let's not forget, that image represents a chance to identify, locate and safeguard the child in it. it is not son‘ie safeguard the child in it. it is not some academic issue, it's a real child that has been abused and the first response as a police officer and safeguarding professional would how can we safeguard that child will stop go ahead, janet. i would agree, absolutely agree with

what the other person is saying, however, in this case, it was not seen, it was not viewed by her. she was in possession of it, and it was on was in possession of it, and it was on her phone and there were 17 other people, or 16 other people that it was sent to and none of them found themselves in the same position as superintendent williams. is that a defence? it is on your phone, but if you haven't opened it or access it, this would be an issue for the wider public. we are sent things on our phones all the time so is it a defence that you haven't opened it? i don't think it's a defence if you know that it is there, so we are getting into the territory that the court has already dealt with, so hypothetically, if somebody sends me an image today and i look at the thumbnail and an image today and i look at the thumbnailandl an image today and i look at the thumbnail and i think, an image today and i look at the thumbnailand i think, oh, my goodness, that could be an indecent

image, numberone i'm goodness, that could be an indecent image, number one i'm not going to open it, numbertwo image, number one i'm not going to open it, number two i will report the link to the internet watch foundation, number three i will make the report to police. there were two people in the whatsapp group who did have the wit to make the report to the police and that is how this unfolded. sol the police and that is how this unfolded. so i think we've got to be clear in differentiating here. this officer is being treated differently because they are an officer, and that's why the public expect the highest standards from serving police officers and retired ones. forgive me for jumping police officers and retired ones. forgive me forjumping in, but should this woman and therefore lose her career because she's had a distinguished career within the metropolitan police, regarded by many as a rising star, for this offence, should she lose her career? in my opinion, that depends. i think this officer, who does appear to have an outstanding and sterling career, has been commended, and i think has been an excellent role

model. janet hills? and continues to be. it's all very clinical in terms of people that are just reading the bare facts of the case. the reality is that evidence was put forward by two experts from the defence and prosecution which both say that the video, that superintendent williams, did not view that video, 0k? and that has been the story all the way along and with that in mind, we are still back to someone, that could be anyone, in innocent possession where there are internal guidelines that allows that to have a different outcome in terms of disposal. that was not in forwarded to superintendent williams. given that she has had such a sterling career, and the life span of a police officer is 30 years and she's done ovei’ officer is 30 years and she's done over that amount, 36 years of good

service, and she has acted impeccably throughout this. she has been professional and she is still a role model within policing and at the moment remains a police officer, so for me, this does need to be looked at and the detail needs to be looked at and the detail needs to be looked at and the detail needs to be looked at because actually she has remained and helped —— held the same story throughout. can i say one thing which i think is important for people watching this, there is a real difference between the technical offence of possession of this and someone who seeks out the image or possesses this and someone who seeks out the image or possesses it with a sexual motivation, someone who has sought it out because they have a sexual interest in children and i think thatis interest in children and i think that is where the technical nature of the offence could and should be challenged because in this instance this officer has in no way been involved in procuring a child—abuse there is nothing in that sense to

challenge the integrity of the officer. this is a technical offence and in its important one because people cannot be allowed to possess these images or distribute them but in this case the office —— officer is being held to account and because there is nothing in the case to suggest the officer had any sexual intent whatsoever and i hope that when they move forward, the senior police officers involved are the disciplinary process take into account the technical nature of the offe nce account the technical nature of the offence and the sterling career of the officer thus far. with me now is leroy logan, former met police superintendent. do you think mckay should have been brought the officer? —— do you think this case should have been brought against the officer? no, not at all. ican against the officer? no, not at all. i can see where the technical offence could be put but if discretion was used they would say, listen, you are trying to impose sex

offences legislation on a real gap in the legislation when it comes to those sort of images being passed around on whatsapp. it's not like she went on the dark web to get the image, it wasjust she went on the dark web to get the image, it was just on her whatsapp and she did not view it and she was in the gym of all places when this happened and as a result of that they are opposing this legislation and not using any discretion —— imposing this legislation. i don't think this has happened to any other officer in this country. so why was there a decision made to pursue it? i think it is the systemic failures of institutional racism. so you think it was a white officer in the same situation it would not have been handled this way in the course? absolutely. i had a similar situation when i was investigated foran situation when i was investigated for an expenses claim in 2012 and the only reason i didn't go past the

cps is because i could show comparisons where white officers had done similar things and not even have words of advice, it was just swept under the carpet, worries of i did not highlight it and show clearly that there was a disparity, and there was in direct racism or victimisation. it's only when i start to put the onus on the organisation, that is when they realise, hold on, we have to review this and is it in the public interest. let me read you a statement from the metropolitan police. "this case was thoroughly investigated by the met with a file of evidence presented to the crown prosecution service who made the decision to charge. a jury then convicted the defendants of a range of offences. it is completely wrong to suggest this serious matter involving possession of an indecent image of a child being sexually abused was pursued due to the ethnicity of the defendants. the met investigates without fear or favour every day and the public rightly expects us to act when allegations of crime are reported to us, even more so when those allegations involve a police officer. it would be entirely wrong for criminal allegations of this severity to be

dealt with ‘internally‘." well, you know, i hear this all the time from the organisation, even in my case. integrity is non—negotiable, but you can see with certain white officers that there is a different view, a different lens compared to black officers. that is one of the reasons why the most senior black officers at the moment are under investigation for one thing or another. there is a definite disparity and a lack of how cani definite disparity and a lack of how can i say, objectivity and discretion. so what do you hope will happen in the case of superintendent williams? we heard that she is hoping to appeal. i hope she does andi hoping to appeal. i hope she does and i think she has good reason. when you have lord blair, the pass commissioner, looking at this case in an objective way and saying they should not have gone past the cps, and in all honesty, how is it in the public interest that an exemplary officer, who i worked with over 20 yea rs officer, who i worked with over 20 years ago, she was on the national

executive of the black police association and she was professional, with the most ethics and integrity and all of a sudden she is now on the sex offenders register. let me read some messages coming in. would the story about this black police officer be a story if she was white quest but surely this is news because of her skin colour. right or wrong, this is news because of her skin colour. right orwrong, or pre—police officers should be treated the same and if a white officer would have been prosecuted, so should she. whatsapp can add m essa g es so should she. whatsapp can add m essa g es to so should she. whatsapp can add messages to your phone when you're in large groups and you can have a large number of photos added and some you can miss. michaela says, thatis some you can miss. michaela says, that is disgusting, just because she isa that is disgusting, just because she is a police officer she should have the same treatment as everybody else. her sister should not even have centre that image. leroy, thank you for coming in and speaking to us this morning. it's a fortnight to go until the election, and the bbc has obtained a document which shows that labour is working on a change of strategy to appeal to voters who want to leave the eu. let's talk to norman at westminster.

tell us more about this change in the labour strategy it's a moment when labour think they have to talk a lot more about brexit, and leaving the eu. in other words the brexit deal they say they will negotiate, because there are signs that many labour voters in traditional leave constituency think labour is not very serious about brexit and for all its talk about another referendum, it's really just all its talk about another referendum, it's reallyjust to remaina referendum, it's reallyjust to remain a party in disguise and as a result it is haemorrhaging votes to borisjohnson result it is haemorrhaging votes to boris johnson and the result it is haemorrhaging votes to borisjohnson and the brexit party. what they are now talking about is using some of their prominent leave supporting mps, much more out and about on the campaign trail, and trying to talk about their proposed brexit deal and how it would protect jobs and some of the major employers out and about outside of london, and they want to get back to the core, bread—and—butter issues like their plans to build 100,000 council houses but this all comes as we get

a poll from yougov that seems to confirm what labour insiders fear, namely that boris johnson is confirm what labour insiders fear, namely that borisjohnson is making inroads in those traditional labour seats and it suggested it could be on course for a huge majority of more than 60. you have to be cautious about that because we know that the polls have been spectacularly wrong before and you often find in westminster that groupthink begins to develop where once peoples start talking about borisjohnson being once peoples start talking about boris johnson being on once peoples start talking about borisjohnson being on course for a majority, everyone talks about it, but there is two weeks ago and anything can happen but it seems labour are beginning to think they have to do things a bit differently in the last two weeks. norman, thanks for speaking to us. well, the kind of seat that labour will really need to hold on to if it's going to win a majority in this election is in this general election is barrow in furness in cumbria. over 60% of people who voted

in the eu referendum there voted to leave, and around a third of people in the town are employed in the shipyard which makes nuclear submarines for the royal navy. jeremy corbyn‘s position on the trident nuclear weapons system then is key. 0ur reporterjim reed has spent the week in the town. this way, lads! season tickets, online tickets! it's derby night in barrow—in—furness. the club are doing well, battling to reach the football league for the first time in 50 years. the biggest issues — education, it's got to be. brexit. brexit — it's about brexit for you? yeah. the nhs. definitely. crime. the privatising of all our public services and the working class are just being attacked all the time. speak to people around here about the election and all the normal issues come up. so, the nhs, brexit and so on. but here in this constituency, there is one particular subject that just seems to overshadow absolutely everything else. it could all centre around shipyard.

that's the main thing for people? well, yeah, it's the main industry. i mean, there's a lot of people here with good jobs. the thing that frightens the barrow electorate is trident. i'm training to be an engineer, to do something like that. if that goes — this town, there's not going to be much left. the history of shipbuilding here goes back generations. by 1900, it was the town's biggest employer, making warships for the royal navy. more recently, it's the submarine contract that's key. in this giant hangar behind me, thousands of people are now working on the next class of nuclear submarines, called the dreadnought. it's not due to enter service until at least 2030. it's designed to carry trident nuclear missiles and, for this part of the world, it's worth thousands and thousands of jobs. but i'm not prepared... john woodcock has been the labour mp here. an outspoken critic ofjeremy corbyn, he quit the party

last year after being accused of sending inappropriate texts to an aide, which he strongly denied. you see how huge that building is. he's now taken a job with the government and he's backing the conservatives in this election. i mean, the idea that you makejeremy corbyn, a lifelong, cnd activist — vice—president, now — prime minister of this country, in charge of the dreadnought submarine programme that employs 9,000 people in there, and that programme will be safe in his hands is laughable. i feel it's the only responsible thing to urge fellow barrow residents to vote conservative, this time. you know your critics are goning to say, look, this just proves that we were right. it proves that, really deep down, he wasn't really a socialist, anyway — he was really a closet tory, effectively. yeah, well, a lot of people who say that i didn't see on the doorstep in the years when we were fighting for a transformative labour government. labour said in its manifesto last week it would keep the trident

nuclear missile system. butjeremy corbyn has spent his life campaigning for nuclear disarmament. and there is real concern here about the future of those submarines. that evening, we're out meeting labour party members as they canvass in the cold. 0n the doorstep, there is some support. good evening. how are you doing? you've got my vote. i've got your vote? oh, that's nice to see. but it's also not hard to find a deep scepticism. hello, good evening. my name's chris altree, i'm labour's parliamentary candidate, this coming election. are you likely to be voting labour? any reason why? corbyn? i would say that you choose the mp, not the leader. do you think you'll be voting labour? i don't know. to try and counter that, labour have picked a local barrow man as their candidate — a former soldier, an afghan veteran. jeremy corbyn, first and foremost, he's a democrat, so he wants to empower the membership and, once again, the membership's backing having the deterrent.

the unions back it, which obviously gives... do they trustjeremy corbyn? that's the question. i mean, even with that in your manifesto, do people here trustjeremy corbyn not to turn round and to cut back or scrap the submarine fleet? well, it's myjob to convince people to trust us, to trust the party. i would not be standing under the leadership ofjeremy corbyn, under the labour party, if i believe anything bad was going to happen to that shipyard. like i say, my family work in there. how could i represent the labour party if i didn't believe thatjeremy corbyn would stick to the word that's in the manifesto? you know, i'd walk away — that's the truth, i would walk away. i've got to ask you about your predecessor, john woodcock, the mp here. he's written in support of your opponent, the conservative party candidate. i mean, that's got to be a blow for you and your campaign. it's not a blow for me at all. i mean, many people have suspected now for a long time that woodcock wasn't a labour man. they don't feel like he's represented them. it's about me selling

my story, you know. this will be the first time this town's had an mp that was born here be its mp. we also got to remember we've got a shipyard, everyone's doing great in there and that's brilliant, they're safe and secure. but next to the shipyard, we've got central barrow, where half the children are growing up in poverty. so we've got to get the rest of the town getting involved in this wealth creation, because barrow is on the cusp of being a boom town again. a 15—minute drive inland, in the town of dalton, is the office of the conservative candidate. former telecoms executive simon fell is chair at the local credit union and his campaign is, unsurprisingly, focused on that shipyard. we all know aboutjeremy corbyn and his links to the cnd. this is a real problem. so you need a government who can back it, who will say they'll not just get the dreadnought programme through, but the renewal of the astute boats, as well. but in the labour manifesto, it's clearly there. it says that trident will be renewed. so isn't this kind of talk of possible cuts to trident just scaremongering

from the conservatives? well, jeremy corbyn is on the record saying he wants to cut trident. but it is in the manifesto saying the labour party will not cut trident, that they will renew it. i mean, they can't be clearer than that, can they? well, i think, actually, they can. we had the defence secretary here last week and he is saying if he wanted to strangle this programme, it'd be very easy to do it without ever actually pressing a button that cancelled it. it's about cutting it, it's about delaying it. away from the shipyards, this constituency is a mix of terraces, estates and more affluent villages outside of town. nearly half of those living in barrow itself are classed as economically deprived. four in ten children born in parts of this town are born into poverty. this group was set up by the community — paid for by crowdfunding — and is now open five days a week. it's hard to know what's true and what isn't, these days. i know, the conservatives,

i've been told that they only really care more about the rich side of the country. if it was between watch the news and watch i'm a celebrity, i know which one i would choose. let me guess! you don't know what's true, because some of it's on facebook and some of it's biased, isn't it? it's not the truth, it's what people think. is that how you get a lot of your news for the election — on social media? yeah. so it would be facebook, would it? probably, yeah. i don't watch the news or read the paper, or anything like that. so it would be. yeah. here, employment and the shipyards do come up in conversation, but, for this group, it's also about child care, about inequality and about brexit. i can't afford to put him in childcare, it's too expensive. so i think, sometimes, working people get penalised for working and you don't get the help — if you don't work, or you hardly work, you get more help. my husband works in bae systems. so that will influenced me quite a lot — what we decide to do about the submarines and stuff.

in the last election, labour held this seat byjust 200 votes over the conservatives. 9,000 people work in this shipyard, so that could clearly make a difference. but there are wider issues at stake here. like other parts of the country, it might simply come down to how much people trust their politicians and the promises they make. jim reed reporting from cumbria. and here are all the candidates standing in the barrow and furness constituency — you can see all the details on the bbc news website. the independent institute for fiscal studies have been looking at the parties manifestos pledges, comparing the tax and spending plans of the lib dems, labour and the conservatives they haven't had time to look at the snp yet as their manifesto only came out yesterday. and they've been analysing who stands to lose and gain

from what the parties are putting forwards. i've been speaking to christine farquarson from the institute. let's start with the main headlines from your analysis. the biggest story in the election is how different what the different parties are proposing are. under the conservatives, not very much would change in terms of public spending, paid for by not very big increases in taxes under the plans outlined in the manifesto. labour has doubled down on the commitments from seven -- 2017 down on the commitments from seven —— 2017 and instead of promising an extra 50 billion, they are promising closer to 70 billion on their own costings and that's even before you include extra spending to compensate pensions. here are the winners and losers? under the conservatives there are not very big plans for spending so there are not big winners and losers. under labour we see a different story. because they are planning extra spending that is going to be extra money across the

life—cycle for childcare, university students, adult social care, paid for by quite a big rise in taxes. john mcdonnell and jeremy corbyn has said that will hit mostly the richest 5% had mild matters is true as far as income tax and benefit proposals go most of their tax i’eve nu es proposals go most of their tax revenues are coming from broader—based taxes like corporation tax where they would be paid by workers, shareholders and therefore by all of us who have pensions invested in the stock market. and the lib dems? somewhere in the middle. there taxes are much more broad—based so they are planning to put 1p broad—based so they are planning to put1p on broad—based so they are planning to put 1p on old rates of income tax but they are also introducing administratively more complex taxes such as a new reformed air passenger duty and new taxation on cannabis. you have been looking at spending commitments and we have a graphic

which shows parties day—to—day spending. the first thing is that public service spending has been falling since 2009, down about 7% during that period, and under all parties public service spending is going to rise and is going to increase above 2009 level mostly because of plans already in place before the election notably in the march spring statement and the 70th birthday present for the nhs and from sajid javid's unusually generous spending and delivered three months ago. if we are going to look at how it is being funded, labour and the lib dems. labour would fund it how? part of it through an increase in income tax on higher earners and part of it through an increase in corporation tax and part of it more unusual taxes on things like share ownership

through the inclusive shares fund. that has some risks because when you're trying to get more tax from the richest that is a risk people are going to change their behaviour in response which means revenue could turn it lower than you expect. however the lib dems going to fund that? they will put 1p on all rates of income tax and they are planning increases in corporation tax. perhaps most striking in their tax ma nifesto perhaps most striking in their tax manifesto from a novelty point of view as they are planning a bunch of new view as they are planning a bunch of new taxes for example reforming air passenger duty to hit people taking international flights and introducing new taxation on cannabis once they have legalised that. the conservatives are pledging 20,000 new conservatives are pledging 20,000 new police officers. how is that going to be funded? the first 10,000 we i’e going to be funded? the first 10,000 were paid for in the spending round that happened a few months ago. the second there is not money in the

ma nifesto second there is not money in the manifesto at the moment so that means the conservatives would have to pay for that by raising taxes or cutting other areas of spending if they are going to stick within their overall targets for borrowing. since the 5p levy on plastic bags was introduced you'd think that supermarkets‘ use of plastics would have gone down. you'd be wrong, as research today from greenpeace and the environmental investigation agency has shown that 7 out of 10 supermarkets in the uk have increased their plastic footprint last year — compared with 2017. that means from our supermarkets alone we're using 900,000 tonnes of plastic. that's about the weight of two and half empire state buildings. just three supermarkets —

waitrose, tesco, and sainsbury‘s — marginally reduced their plastic use, but we as consumers aren't doing much better, whilst the numbers of single use plastic bags we use has decreased, our use of the more durable bag's for life has risen by 30% since last year. we're now using 1.5 billion of them each year. equivalent to sa bags for life each yearfor the average uk household. so what can we as individuals do about it, and what role should our supermarkets play? let's talk now to the author of that reportjuliette phillips, the managing director of supermarket chain iceland richard walker, and daisy hutchison who has been living plastic free for over a year. the supermarkets are producing more plastic. how do we circle that? the charge is not enough to incentivise customers to use the bag for life

and it is being seen as a throwaway option so we are calling on companies to increase the price or remove them altogether. this is also about buying fruit wrapped in plastic. why do i need a banana in some plastic? absolutely. at the moment plastic free options are not widely accessible and there is need for companies to these ranges. how ha rd for companies to these ranges. how hard is it to go plastic free? a lot of people love the idea and thickness must be time consuming and a nightmare to practice. it is not a nightmare but it is time consuming. iam nightmare but it is time consuming. i am lucky because i live in london so there are a lot of places available to me but the way i had to start was by not shopping in supermarkets. i don't do any of my shopping in supermarkets because there is nothing there for me. the problem is that is not an option for so many people because some people don't have the range of shops or they are busy working or being a

parent. absolutely and this is where supermarkets need to coming and make refill options available in all supermarkets, particularly in the small, notjust supermarkets, particularly in the small, not just the supermarkets, particularly in the small, notjust the big branches, but the small high street brands, where you go in and the plastic packaging that is terrible. there is no way you can buy a single apple. you will be getting a bag of six apples and maybe you only wanted one and maybe one of them is going to go off on yourfruit and maybe one of them is going to go off on your fruit bowl and then you have the plastic packaging. off on your fruit bowl and then you have the plastic packaginglj off on your fruit bowl and then you have the plastic packaging. i want to talk about what you have done at iceland. you have tried hard. you are at the top of the report last year and you have dropped to seven. what are you doing at iceland to try to reduce plastic waste? we are quite proud of the fact that at the start of la st quite proud of the fact that at the start of last year we were the first retailer in the world to fully

eliminate plastic from our own label packaging by 2023, so we are at the forefront in terms of trial and innovation and it is really hard. for every ten trials we have nine failures. we are determined to get theirand it is failures. we are determined to get their and it is really good the other supermarkets are starting to step up and are making efforts to reduce single yes. you have dropped to seven from one. what has gone wrong? i would not see it has gone wrong? i would not see it has gone wrong because obviously we have to build this commitment out of any supermarket but the savvy in particular were two areas where we down and one was on the back of regis options. some of our customers have only got 25p a week to spend on food and it is very important to me and then we do not charge premiums for reusability like waitrose. it is no for reusability like waitrose. it is no surprise they are at the top of

this list. we have to be innovative in the solutions we offer. when the survey closed in august we had not written to branded suppliers because out written to branded suppliers because our commitment is only for our own label products which is about 55% of all the products we sell. we have since written to all of them and had son‘ie since written to all of them and had some quite positive engagements with them but we have more today. did you pay a premium for getting refills? my pay a premium for getting refills? my overall household expenditure hasn't gone up because the things that i have changed, so it was very ha rd that i have changed, so it was very hard for me to be getting neat and packaged. you have the option of going to a butcher and getting it in some supermarkets you can take a tupperware box and have it refilled but what i find is, and it is a change i am happy with, my diet has become much more vegetarian because it is much easierfor me

become much more vegetarian because it is much easier for me to get hold of those things loose so in that way the money has levelled out but getting my milk delivered is more expensive than buying a plastic milk bottle in the supermarket. bags for life. we were encouraged for so long to get a bag for life and use it and one of the problem is people leave it at home or forget. 5a bags for life on average per family per year in this country seems phenomenal. cani in this country seems phenomenal. can i interject and say i have got two bags for life and i have them from picking them up where people have discarded them ? from picking them up where people have discarded them? that is a pretty short life. it has been one of those unintended consequences because i think we celebrated when we because i think we celebrated when we stopped selling 5p single yes bags but we have been calling out for more than a year that the volume

of bike purchases has shifted onto these supported bags for life and people are not using them for life, they are using them for a week. and they are using them for a week. and the wet of these bags is three times n'ioi'e so the wet of these bags is three times more so actually in some cases we are tripling the amount of plastic and saturation and it is an unintended consequence and that is why we are trialling a plastic bag free supermarket where we are only selling paper bags and that has gone really well and we are looking to roll that out next year. what should we roll that out next year. what should we be doing? if people are thinking i want to change my habits as their power with the consumer? can we change anything with the supermarkets? there is a role for customers to play and it is possible to go zero waste. it is not out of the question. the emphasis is on the companies and government in order to make sure it is available and accessible for everybody because at the moment that is not the case.

comments coming in. penny says why don't we stop selling plastic bags? well, we have, in the shop in hackney and it is something we are going to continue to roll out the trial of. earlier someone suggested increasing the charge of plastic bags which is potentially another way but again that is pushing the problem onto the consumer and some of my customers couldn't stomach that. a lot of people are taking the bus and they need bags to bring with them and take home. another person says what is wrong with cloth bags? they last longer. i understand they are not so readily available. what would you say to somebody who has at home and wants to make a difference? how much longer to get think it

ta kes you how much longer to get think it takes you to do your shopping? how much longer to get think it takes you to do your shopping7m doesn't know because i have my system in place. the beginning was hard. the internet and social media are yourfriend. there hard. the internet and social media are your friend. there are lots of people who are also trying to make this change. you will not be the first person. if you go online there are great websites that you can pretend to find out where your nearest resale shops are so tight to work out the people in your local community doing the same thing. pull that information together. yes i am in london so that information is more available to me because there are more available to me because there a re lots of more available to me because there are lots of people in london doing the same but wherever you are there will be people facing the same challenges. there is lots of information out there. thank you. breaking news. the labour candidate

in falkirk has been suspended. 0ver allegations she made anti—semitic posts on facebook. she had been due to stand for the party in a falkirk seat but scottish labour has expressed its deep regret that she had been selected to stand. it means there will be no labour candidate standing in falkirk. labour came second behind the snp in the 2015 and 2017 election. labour has removed its general election candidate in falkirk over allegations that she made anti—semitic posts on facebook. the social media site tiktok has reinstated the account of a 17—year—old girl who posted a video drawing attention to the persecution of hundreds of thousands of muslims in china. the chinese owned site allows its estimated half a billion users to upload short—form videos to the internet via its app. now — in between the makeup

tutorials and lip syncing — 17—year—old feroza aziz posted this. take a look. i want to teach you guys how to get long lashes. carol your lashes and then you can put them down and use your phone you are using to search what is happening in china, they are getting concentration camps and throwing innocent muslims and there, forcing them to eat and drink, to convert to different religions or they will be murdered. this is another holocaust yet no one is talking about it. please be aware. please spread awareness. let's get more on this with our technology correspondent rory cellan—jones. the background of this, chinese owned, have there been problems in

the past with people posting things the past with people posting things the chinese government have not been co mforta ble the chinese government have not been comfortable with? in china there is a completely locked down tiktok service. tiktok says outside china, and it is hugely popular in the uk and it is hugely popular in the uk and america over the last year, it doesn't apply that kind of limitations. she has been explaining why she did it. as a muslim i have always faced oppression and racism but to see that ethnic group is going through much more than i could evei’ going through much more than i could ever imagine! going through much more than i could ever imagine i thought that this is it right and i need to spread awareness about this. what is tiktok saying? there has been a lot of toing and froing since the video went viral. it emerged she had been temporarily blocked and then briefly the video was taken down overnight. tiktok had been indicating she had

been blocked because of previous behaviour relating to a picture of 0sama bin laden but it emerged that was satirical. they are saying nothing in the community guidelines precludes content such as this video and it should not have been removed and it should not have been removed and we would like to apologise to the user for the error and we would like to apologise to the userfor the error on and we would like to apologise to the user for the error on our part this morning. it is coming under attack from human rights watchers saying that is a lack of transparency and have a lack of transparency and have a lack of transparency in how it deals with this kind of dissenting content around the world. is there a sense tiktok will learn from this? tiktok is growing rapidly. it is having a lot of growing problems. it has that conflict between its chinese ownership, people pointing out that like other chinese companies in its final loyalty may be to the chinese companies. it is trying to stress that it companies. it is trying to stress thatitis companies. it is trying to stress that it is a completely different beast outside china and ideas to

western values but it is going to come and there are a lot more pressure over things like this. thank you. our next story contains descriptions of sexual violence, which some viewers may find upsetting or offensive — if that's you, you might want to sit this one out for the next six or seven minutes. reaserch by bbc 5 live has found a third of women in the uk under the age of a0 have experienced unwanted slapping, choking, gagging or spitting during consensual sex. leading charities say the figures reflect a ‘growing pressure' on young women to consent to violent, dangerous and demeaning acts. the findings follow a rise in so—called ‘rough sex gone wrong' cases, specifically the murder verdict in the case of grace millane — the british backpacker strangled to death during sex with a man in new zealand.

let's talk now to anna adams, she says she's been a victim of non— consensual violent acts during sex, fiona mackenzie runs the campign group, we can't consent to this, and 0loni, a sex and relationships blogger and influencer. many people watching will be surprised to hear this. tell us about the violence you have faced in several sexual encounters. on three separate occasions i have experienced nonconsensual acts of violence such as hair pulling and attem pts violence such as hair pulling and atte m pts to violence such as hair pulling and attempts to choke me which i resisted, but as you can imagine it is quite intimidating. i spoke about it with my friends after and found that it was ubiquitous, all of my friends had experienced it as well. was this when you are in a relationship or was this casual sex? i wonder when that conversation happens if it happens. yes, it was

with casual partners, so there was no conversation, so it was kind of enforced upon me. what did you do? i stopped it every time because it was not how i wanted to have sex. where the main surprised that your reaction? that they think we were enjoying it? i think they were surprised that i stopped the encounters. it is difficult to know where to begin because there are so many elements. let us talk about this rough sex defence because this is important. talk about what that isn't how it works. it is we are claims that at some point the women he is are accused of injuring or killing consented to the violence as pa rt of killing consented to the violence as part of sex. there have been nine uk

won'ien part of sex. there have been nine uk women in court part of sex. there have been nine uk won'ien in court cases part of sex. there have been nine uk women in court cases in the last few weeks in rough sex defences and it is increasingly common and what is so is increasingly common and what is so terrifying his habit likes to this normalisation of violence against women which we started hearing from women immediately after setting up the campaign that they we i’e setting up the campaign that they were experiencing this during sex, which is an atrocity. where do you think this is coming from? the glamorisation of pawn. we are forgetting to communicate. we are forgetting to communicate. we are forgetting we have to have a conversation that includes consent. ami conversation that includes consent. am i allowed to do this to go? it is not only choking and spitting. it goes as far as when people are removing condoms during sex so these are conversations they do not see in

porn being emulated in real life. young men watching porn and thinking this is normal and they don't have to have a conversation. exactly. the don't know it is just somebody who has created the narrative in hollywood. the reality is there has to be trust, consent and communication every time. is this the same in same—sex relationships orare the same in same—sex relationships or are we the same in same—sex relationships or are we talking about heterosexuals? at the moment we are only hearing from women. nonconsensual violence, sometimes serious violence, which can leave people badly injured. this may sound like an odd question that these men had their best to you, where the e type of man? did you have a sense that this might be their preferred sexual encounter? no. there were no tell—tale signs. these are just

ordinary men. they were not from a particular group. the only unifying factor is that they all assume that i would be interested in nonconsensual violence and i would assume that they are consumers of porn. you go into schools and talk to people. what the young girl say about this? do they feel they have to go along with the sun violence as pa rt to go along with the sun violence as part of a sexual encounter?” to go along with the sun violence as part of a sexual encounter? i always start of soft so i talk about what goes on in the playground, if a guy is hugging you and you don't want to be helped you can see i don't want this and what consent is supposed to look like so they understand that when they are older, perhaps when they go to university, that is when consent culture is looked at. i make sui'e consent culture is looked at. i make sure they understand what they need to do when they feel like their trust is being broken. do you get the sense that women feel they have to go along with us or do you get the sense that women get the feeling

they have a voice? so many women have been forced into the sand have been violently assaulted after saying no. it is not always safe to saying no. it is not always safe to say no to the sun that is the scary thing. —— the note to this and that is the scary thing. what is the man's role in this? i don't want to put this onto men because there are a lot of men not doing this but what do they need to do to make sure this is not happening? they need to understand consent. there needs to bea understand consent. there needs to be a conversation where people are highlighting what it means when you go safe words and see factions in the bedroom. that is fine if you are ina the bedroom. that is fine if you are in a long—term relationship but if you meet someone in a bar and you end up going back to their flatter they come figures isn't that a difficult conversation to have?

they come figures isn't that a difficult conversation to have ?|j don't think you should violently assault someone unless you have clearly agreed. but if a man doesn't understand what you want... given that we know that lots of young girls and boys are exposed to pornography i think young girls are also taught lessons from pornography that they should be submissive and their boundaries don't exist and thatis their boundaries don't exist and that is really important and why i wanted to be public about this because it is important for young girls as well as men to know that their boundaries are valid. can the porn industry play a role? is that too much to expect? no. there is a ethical porn out there where conversations happen in the scene. i feel like it plays a role and the women are taught to be submissive

and the guy is dominant and everyone is trying to meet an additive that they know doesn't exist so they feel like this is what is supposed to happen. ifeel like like this is what is supposed to happen. i feel like if like this is what is supposed to happen. ifeel like if porn like this is what is supposed to happen. i feel like if porn showed us happen. i feel like if porn showed us how sex should happen, where it was safer and included a lot of consent throughout, then i think it would be better. simon says my partner watches porn and when we got ina partner watches porn and when we got in a sexual relationship he did things that were uncomfortable and i said to him that's not enjoyable and now we said to him that's not enjoyable and now we have the best sex ever because we understand what we both like and that porn is fake. jill says i've never experienced this. when i started dating nine years ago only recently have i had an experience of this. i believe porn is normalising violence against women. what advice can you give to somebody who finds themselves in the situation we have discussed? it can

be dangerous to say no but you have the right to say no and you should say no so what is the best way? you have to put your safety first and you have to evaluate the situation on its merits. i would say that everybody should be having conversations regarding these types of behaviours and nobody should be on soliciting these behaviours on people without explicit consent. thank you. and if you've been affected by issues in this discussion, there is a range of organisations and websites that can offer you advice and support. you can find them listed on the bbc‘s actionline website at bbc.co.uk/actionline the broadcaster clive james died yesterday at the age of 80. he was diagnosed with leukaemia in 2010 and wrote about his illness in the final years of his life. back in 2016 he spoke to victoria. ican i can write about life now. when the

end insight to get a perspective on life you never had before. i was too young and too energetic. i was moving forward at high speed and i was not reflected. i am much more reflective now. and you can see more from that interview with clive in ‘victoria derbyshire, the week in review‘ which has the best of the week‘s interviews and reports from the show. that‘s on at 1630 on saturday and 1530 on sunday. thank you for your company today. we have some rain this morning across northern areas of england and southern scotland which is continuing to move south today and as it clears so we are going to see colder air moving in across northern areas. the northerly wind comes

across scotland into northern parts of england and temperatures are lower but further south rain moving into parts of wales and the midlands and eastern areas of england. staying largely dry and southern parts. you will notice a chill in the air with northern area about six or7 the air with northern area about six or 7 degrees. the rain moving southwards. tomorrow morning that is the risk of ice. temperatures dropping away. a much chillier night compared to recent nights. it will bea compared to recent nights. it will be a lovely sunny start to the day for many of us on friday. a bit of cloud toward south—western parts of england. sunshine elsewhere but chillier.

you‘re watching bbc newsroom live. it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning... the conservatives and labour are accused of not presenting credible spending plans by a leading economic research group. both risk ending up borrowing a lot more than they are saying, either the economy is doing much work, or as in labour plasma case, they do not get enough tax in. or for the conservative case they end up spending more than they are saying. i‘m martine croxall in cheltenham where the lib dems have their sights set on overturning the tory majority here. tensions escalate between china and the us — after president trump signs a bill supporting hong kong‘s