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secretary general has told the bbc governments need to stop subsidising fossil fuel industries. antonio guterres said government support for the industries means that taxpayers‘ money is paying for melting glaciers and strengthening hurricanes. malta's prime ministerjoseph muscatt has bowed to public pressure and decided to step down after a member of his office was arrested during an investigation into a journalist's murder two years ago. and if you are stuck for a gift or a leader who has everything, how is this? a museum in moscow gave visitors the chance to sit on a glass throne filled with $1 million. it's called the money throne times 10, it's made of layers of bulletproof glass filled with bank notes. of course it is. that's all for me, i'll see you shortly. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk.
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patients are dying, people are dying, the healthcare system in zimbabwe has collapsed. zimbabwe was for so many years defined by robert mugabe and a struggle for independence. now he's gone. but this country has yet to emerge from his shadow. do you trust the president to make things better? no! there's nojobs, there's no money, there's no food stamps. millions of
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them barbarians go to hungry, dependent on handouts for survival. this country is on the brink of catastrophe. who or what will save it? —— millions of them bubbly more than half a million people living in bari, a sprawling town on the outskirts of harare, this is where they come to is get crossing rural poverty. many find themselves ina rural poverty. many find themselves in a different sort of trouble. in the last month it has been difficult to obtain cash. 27-year-old richard is desperate to find a way out. is it almost impossible to find
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a full—time properjob? it almost impossible to find a full-time properjob? next to novo. next to never? next to nava. nojobs and soaring inflation, it's a recipe for wholesale desperation. aid agencies reckon half of all people rely on assistance for survival. do you trust president mnangagwa to make things better? no! so why do you say he is making things worse every day? things are getting worse and worse every day. prizes, transport, schools, living, everything is down. we are struggling. do you have children? year mark. but i can't afford to pay for school for them. they are not going to school? when mnangagwa replaced mugabe, people hoped things would get better. they
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were better before. you seriously think things we re before. you seriously think things were better under president mugabe? mugabe is better than mnangagwa. zimbabwe's mugabe is better than mnangagwa. zimba bwe's infrastructure is crumbling. 2 million people in harare have been without piped water for months. the fear is isolated cases of cholera and typhoid could become an epidemic. and the country is in the grip of a power crisis, drought has cut hydroelectricity supplies. this coal—fired power station on the road to mbari is run out of spare parts. at sunset, the mood shifts quickly in mbare, plunging the surroundings into darkness. only a lucky few have
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generators. richard is now taking me toa generators. richard is now taking me to a friend's house, it's about seven p. m. . to a friend's house, it's about seven p.m.. i can tell you walking through mbare in the dark, well, it's a pretty weird experience. richard guides me down dark alleys and intoa richard guides me down dark alleys and into a block originally built was single male labourers. but it's now teeming with families, crammed into tiny spaces. thank you for letting us come into home. yvonne and nine members of herfamily spanning three generations live on this one room. yvonne, in the dark at night, when there is no power, there is no lights, do you and the kids feel safe here? no, we don't feel safe. some of the people are being robbed at night. there are thieves all over this community. so we don't feel safe if there is no
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electricity. when zimbabwe's military post robert mugabe out of power two years ago, there was hope ofan end power two years ago, there was hope of an end to the era of ms rule and corruption —— ms rule. incoming president emerson mnangagwa promised for a rise to middle income status by 2030. by early this year hope had morphed into anger and despair. when the government lifted fuel subsidies, protesters took to the streets and dozens of people were killed in a brutal crackdown. it was as if mugabe had never gone away. arguably, things are now worse. amid a currency crisis, fuel imports have been cut stop those who need petrol face a weary ordeal. just tell me how long you waited to get to the head of the queue today?” how long you waited to get to the head of the queue today? i got here
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at half seven this morning and i'm here now. that's three hours. three hours. a lot of your work day has been taken up by sitting in the car and doing nothing. it makes your life difficult. but it is a way of life difficult. but it is a way of life here. the late sir mugabe years saw the currency collapse and hyperinflation set in. us dollar became the de facto currency. now there is an effort to reintroduce there is an effort to reintroduce the zimbabwean dollar, but only in limited amounts to thought the black market years. just taking a walk through central harare, i've spotted a large crowd of people outside what i think is a bank. so, let's go find out what's happening. so me the new zimbabwe dollars. so this is a new $2 bill. and itjust printed these for the first time. and how many dollars where you allowed to take out today? i hundred dollars
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one month. how long will that last? one day. one day? then it's finished? are you confident the government and president mnangagwa are stabilising the economy? because it has been a mess for a very long time. yes, i am confident. you are? many people here are not. why are you? and very confident. why? because enough is enough. you've suffered enough? i'm confident things are going to stabilise. it seems like zimbabweans have the ability to survive even in the most difficult situations. we are strong people, that is why we are strong people, that is why we are called zimbabweans, we are very strong people. there is a veneer of normality in harare, but scratch the surface and desperation is exposed. this should be one of harare's busiest hospitals, but the chronically sick of being
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sent home. almost all the doctors are refusing to work. they don't call it a strike, they say they've been incapacitated by salaries that have been dramatically devalued. this man is 25, a proud and newly qualified doctor. after all the hard work and training they have both been through, they have been fired for refusing to work. you are a trained doctor. you should be in the hospital, but you're not. you're not at work. why? we as doctors are incapacitated to work. that is to say we cannot afford to report for duty each and every day, we can't afford transport. why? because the money we're getting from the government is not enough for us to come to work every day. to be brutal about it, is this all about money? you want more money than the government is prepared to offer you?
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absolutely. this is about money. so there is a gap in the salary that we're getting from the government, they are completely detached from they are completely detached from the reality and the situation on the ground. in real terms, the reality and the situation on the ground. in realterms, that is in us dollar terms, the last salary was basically about $4 a day. yes, basically about $4 a day. yes, basically if you add it in us dollars, $4 a day. is it possible for you and your family to live on? i think you we could deduct transport, food, accommodation, you can't even have a decent living. many zimbabweans may say to you look, life is tough for everybody in subway but you have special skills, you are a doctor. your whole career is about caring for people. how can you, because of money, walk out of your hospital?
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ok. ifi may you, because of money, walk out of your hospital? ok. if i may appeal to conscience and the conscience of the people of zimbabwe to think like that, i have some special skills that, i have some special skills that i am willing to use. i am willing to be at work, but the situation is that i cannot afford to be at work. how hard is it for you asa be at work. how hard is it for you as a doctor to know that there are sick patients in that building behind you, but you feel you cannot go in and treat them? how hard is that for you? it's very hard as doctors, we actually have our patients at heart. and this is what we're doing, we are actually advocating for the patients. what is happening to all the sick people? what is happening to the sick people in zimbabwe that patients are dying. people are dying. and, i mean, avoidable death because of the current situation. the healthcare system in zimbabwe
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has collapsed. there is no healthcare system to talk about. the government would say thatis talk about. the government would say that is on your conscious because you other doctors who are refusing to work —— on your conscience. but it is not on our conscience because we cannot afford to come to work and i cannot use my conscience to pay for my bills, i cannot choose my conscience to papermaker. i am an ordinary employee like anyone else andi ordinary employee like anyone else and i need to be able to do myjob. how do you cope for yourself with your own conscience, given there are so your own conscience, given there are so many sick people who are suffering as a result of this?” don't draw any pleasure from this, but i believe this is a silent genocide which is going on. people are dying because they cannot get the healthcare services that they deserve to get. you've just said a silent genocide. a silent genocide. that is a very, very strong phrase. a strong idea. do you really mean that? do you mean the government is deliberately jeopardising that? do you mean the government is deliberatelyjeopardising the health
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of the people? let me explain. it is the government's responsibility to make sure affordable, quality healthcare is provided to its citizens. food, accommodation, basic, basic, basic needs. would you like to work with a demotivated doctor who cannot meet their own needs? since independence, zimbabwe's needs? since independence, zimba bwe's parliaments has needs? since independence, zimbabwe's parliaments has been dominated by the only pier, mugabe's pr, mnangagwa's party, a ruthless political machine —— zanu—pf. ms rule and mismanagement are never acknowledged. and as the president attending parliament for the annual project presentation, a crowd of
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loyalists has rallied to put on a show. so the president has just arrived at the zimbabwean parliament. and zanu—pf have a lot of supporters to make some noise, but in truth, it's a very lacklustre affair. after mugabe, the promise was changed. instead, zimbabweans are getting more of the same. —— was change. minister, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. thank you for having me and welcome to zimbabwe. thank you very much. let me interview donna begins interview by quoting some words by president mnangagwa at the time of his inauguration. we will transform
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our people into middle income citizens. the reality is very, very different. what has gone wrong? thank you for that. he never said it would be easy. he did not at any point underestimate the magnitude of the work that lies ahead. so we are quite confident that we generally have travelled so far, and we will still travel. it's quite promising. most people simply don't have work. they don't have income. i went to mbare, a vast sprawling suburb on the edge of harare. i spoke to dozens the edge of harare. i spoke to d oze ns of the edge of harare. i spoke to dozens of people, none of them had a job. employment remains a challenge. i'm glad to say we have put specific incentives to create incentives for young people in the coming
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years was not you have had two years already because of what has happened in those two years? well, there has to be reforms in place which we have done, which we have put in place stop i wanted to just get back to the direction we have taken. we sought in our transitional step programme to stabilise the economic environment and particularly, the deficit and the current account deficit. these two, in my view, have done very well. it is still a work in process and once these have been addressed, they will be a necessary impetus. stability, you say. currency crisis, your finance minister hasjust currency crisis, your finance minister has just introduced new zimbabwean dollar bills, to dollar and $5. i have seen the vast queues outside tanks because people are only allowed to withdraw $100 a week. there
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is still a raging debate. there are still people exploiting people because your currency crisis is not resolved. has been the largest penetration of digital currency. it has involved a lot of people, 8% financial inclusion you to our mobile transfer system but because of the fragility of our currency, people have tended 110w of our currency, people have tended now to use more of the hard currency, hence the pressure we are seeing on the banks and this is creating loopholes and opportunities... but with respect, your government is not closing those loopholes stop in fact, many ends of
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does make many believe people in power at collaborating with the moneychangers and speculators. many people in your country are disillusioned with president mnangagwa and his record. as we speak, the inflation rate, you won't even publish the figures anymore that your inflation rate is believed to be somewhere over 300%. you have lost control. ok stop inflation, why we decided that publishing is misleading is we have transition. last year, this time around, we had a parity in terms of the exchange rate and when we liberalised our exchange rate, it gives a false impression. when you look at our prices last year and you compare the prices last year and you compare the prices this time around, you might find that the prices have actually gone down but because of the disparities in exchange rate, we have these numerous
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distortions. minister, are you aware that there are many people in your city that are many people in your city that are now so impoverished to see the price rises, cannot afford food, they are reduced, them and their families, to living on one meal a day? are you aware of that?” families, to living on one meal a day? are you aware of that? i will admit that this has created pressure, particularly on the purchasing power. wages have not aligned to the exchange rate movement and that has been the major challenge which we are gradually addressing. i am asking you as a human being, zimbabwean, do you go to places like mbare and talk to people? are you aware that their children are going hungry as we speak? well, there tends to be issues of exacerbating certain issues. you think that is an exaggeration? i admit there is a challenge when it comes to feuds —— food security which is why we have
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put an appeal to the united nations and all cooperating partners. when we talk of people going hungry, we are literally talking about food on the table and food on the table, there is a direct impact coming from there is a direct impact coming from the drought we have experienced and this is, i must say, government's expenditure because we have had to import close to 70% of our grain just to make sure that these adequate claim in the country. we have yet to focus more on addressing food security issues. i spoke to a newly trained doctors yesterday, very proud of their qualification as a zimbabwean doctor. they say they cannot, they will not, go to work in the hospitals because they can't afford to. they have two, put it their way, be incapacitated by the fa ct their way, be incapacitated by the fact that the real value of their wages as dog is represents little more than three us dollars a day. some of them are selling their possessions simply to survive.
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you and your government again must bear responsibility for the collapse of your healthcare system. we still engage our doctors. i want to give you a different perspective. over the last year, we undertook reforms to the austerity measures. i give you an example is of country that we have gone through. we do appreciate that our people have had to pay the price. look at countries like greece. they have more than 160 billion support. egypt, they got more than 12 billion support. recently, . .. zimbabwe had more than 12 billion support. recently,... zimbabwe had to do this on their own. i appreciate that but
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one of the reasons zimbabwe is not getting international support is there is no faith in the competence and honesty of your government. just to ta ke and honesty of your government. just to take a few examples, power plants are lying idle right now partly because parts which were ordered from south africa years ago and paid for have never been delivered and no—one knows where that money has gone. look at your national airline, you used to be commerce and trade minister. surely you are concerned that the national airline isn't allowed to fly because the international organisation says that it is not satisfied. your airline has the maintenance safety record which will allow it to mandated to fly. you will appreciate this as a government that has struggled over the past two decades. what you are talking about are real expended it at —— expenditure issues was not
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corruption issues put aside, we are making issues that make taking effo rts making issues that make taking efforts to make sure it is addressed. what you are talking about is things in our audit systems and drastic measures have been taken on that but on physical expenditure issues, we have had to content of the effects of isolation... you tactfully would in a reference to sanctions as though some of these could be blamed upon the international community for the very limited targeted sanctions which the us and the eu have put on zimbabwe, going back many years. the truth, surely, is that again, scapegoating sanctions will not work because in the words of the us ambassador to this country, just the other day he said it is unacceptable to talk about sanctions as a scapegoat when zimbabwe's about sanctions as a scapegoat when zimba bwe's real rubble about sanctions as a scapegoat when zimbabwe's real rubble is the fundamental betrayal of public trust there are many getting risk ——
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rich. asa—— there are many getting risk —— rich. as a —— the economy continues to deteriorate around them. they are targeting individuals that are deemed to be corrupt. it is still under sanctions today. one of the biggest companies that we formed to spearhead this industrialisation, it was under sanctions. how targeted are the sanctions? this is targeted at collapsing the
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economy. people saw their hopes crushed long ago. zimbabwe's saw their hopes crushed long ago. zimba bwe's tragedy is saw their hopes crushed long ago. zimbabwe's tragedy is that a new generation is being robbed of a decent future. hello there. we have more frosty weather around at the moment. not exactly in the same place as it was last night, mind you, because although we have this cold area of high pressure just drifting a little bit further south, allowing milder atlanticare to topple around the north of that, feeding its way into scotland and northern ireland go for scotland, nowhere near as cold as it was last night. with the clearest guys for england and wales, this is where we will have a widespread frost to start the day today. plenty of sunshine at least to begin with.
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more cloud coming in on the south breezes for northern ireland and scotland. patchy rain for scotland. this cloud may well work its way down through the irish sea and into northern parts of ireland and wales, leaving it to the south and south—east. temperatures again, a bit milder in the far south of scotland where we have the rain. that is on the weather front there which will tend to put away through the evening. we still have high pressure dominating but it is centred more to southern parts of england and wales. here they may well be enough moisture and light wind to give us mist and fog returning overnight and into tuesday. particularly across parts —— parts of east wales. it should be a dry day by tuesday across scotland, some sunshine here, and across northern ireland. temperatures again, temperatures six — eight degrees. as we head to the middle part of the week, a weakening weather front heads into the north—east from the atlantic. they had —— the centre of the high drift into continental europe but still light winds and clearest guys overnight to bring a pick of frost and probably mist and fog and low cloud, quite a dull day for some pulled up not a great deal of rain on the weather front as it pushes
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across scotland towards cumbria. quite milder here but cold where it stays grey across central parts of england. by the time we get into thursday, the winds should be pushing away that mistiness and greyness and fog and instead, an active weather front will bring heavy rain into the hills of western scotland. some patchy rain elsewhere and dribs and drabs into northern ireland, the far north of england still dry and bright further south with sunshine but windy weather together with that rain in the north—west. keeping the temperatures up and blowing milder error across the whole of the country could make double figures even across south wales and south—west england. turning mild over the north over the weekend. more patchy frost and fog before it turns wet and windier later on.
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welcome to newsday on the bbc. i'm mariko oi in singapore. the headlines this hour: as world leaders gather for the climate change summit, the un boss says governments must end their subsidies forfossilfuels. we are losing taxpayers' money — our money — to boost hurricanes, to melt glaciers, to destroy corals. does the falling cost of wind power hold the answer? we meet the danish pioneers who believes it will transform the world. and i'm kasia madera in london. also in the programme: as the second victim of the london bridge attack is named, more details emerge of friday's events. and malta's prime ministerjoseph muscat says he will resign,
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