hello, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. a week and a half to go until the general election and we ve come to north berwick in east lothian on the firth of forth to talk to voters and ask if what happened in london bridge on friday is going to influence the way they vote. meanwhile, in an hour's time the prime minister will be attending a vigilfor the victims of the london bridge stabbings jack merritt and saskia jones have been named as the two people killed by convicted terrorist usman khan. saskia jones‘ tutor from cambridge university has paid tribute to her we cold her saskia 100%. the last timei we cold her saskia 100%. the last time i had communication with her was a week ago, i said you are still 100%. she wrote back and said yes, i just read your comments, yours and olivia ‘s comments and they brought a tear to my eye. the political row over who's to blame for the release

of the attacker continues we've got to get it right and we have to ask why early release was deployed and why it was introduced in the way it was in 2008. its emerged the polish chef, called lukasz, who attacked khan with a narwhal tusk, was stabbed five times. as the father of jack merrit, the 25 year old killed on friday, calls on some tabloids not to use his son's death to promote what he says is their vile propaganda. let us know what you think about the controversy over where responsibility lies. email us, or message me on twitter using the hastags victoria live hello. welcome to the programme.

we're live until 11 this morning. firstjoanna has the news. the victims of the london bridge attack will be remembered at a vigil in central london at 11 o'clock. cambridge graduates jack merritt and saskia jones were stabbed to death by convicted terrorist usman khan. several others were injured as they tried to stop the attack before khan was shot dead by police. the un secretary—general, antonio guterres, says the world must end its "war against nature". it comes ahead of a two week climate summit in madrid when more than 200 countries will meet to plan how the world can tackle rising greenhouse gas emissions. the conservatives have set out a five—point plan which they say will strengthen border security, after brexit. the party claims that eu rules on freedom of movement have made it easier for illicit goods — as well as illegal immigrants and terrorists — to enter the uk. labour says brexit will undermine security as the uk would no longer have access to eu databases or the european arrest warrant.

labour has promised to cut the cost of some rail tickets in england by a third if it gets into power. the proposal is part of broader plans to nationalise the uk's train system — which the conservatives have described as "desperate". a month of strikes has started on one of the uk s busiest train operators, south western railway. members of the rmt union are protesting over a long—running dispute about the role of guards on trains. the walkout could cause major disruption over the christmas period. south western railway say the strike is unnecessary. women should be able to buy the morning—after contraceptive pill "straight off the shelf" without consulting a pharmacist. a report by the royal college of obstetricians and gynaecologists says women and girls are finding it difficult to access sexual and reproductive healthcare services which is leading to a rise in unplanned pregnancies and abortions. thousands of homes in central scotland could be without heating for days after a gas main failure. around 8,000 properties in the falkirk area have been left without supplies.

electric heaters and cookers are being offered to the elderly or sick customers, and those with young children. a woman has been rescued after spending 12 days stranded in the australian outback. tamra mcbeath—riley had set out for a drive from alice springs with two friends. it's believed their car had become stuck in a riverbed. she's being treated in hospital but police are continuing to search for her friends. that's your summary, victoria, back to you. joanna, thank you. after sheerness in north kent last monday, a big leave area, this monday we re in north berwick a big remain area on the south shore of the firth of forth 7 about 20 miles from edinburgh, to find out what the 2019 general election means to people here and crucially whether the london bridge attack

and the issue of security could affect the way they vote in less than two weeks. we re in the constituency of east lothian. voters here said yes to staying in the eu and they said no to scottish independence. since 2010 this area has alternated between labour and the snp and there 5 going to be a realfight for this constituency in this election. this morning we re broadcasting live from the cafe of the scottish seabird centre 7 which is a conservation and education charity. these are our voters. ladies and gentlemen, good morning. this is an education and conservation charity, thoseissues education and conservation charity, those issues will come up in the next hour. let's start today by talking about the terror attack in london bridge on friday afternoon. where 25—year—old

jack merritt and 23—year—old saskia jones were stabbed to death by convicted terrorist 28 year old usman khan, who had been released on licence a year ago. the first question to you as voters today, does what happened on friday afternoon somehow influence the way you might vote a week on friday? i'm islay, a writer, i've lived in north berwick for 13 years. i don't think it would have an effect on the way i vote, to be honest. obviously, the tory cuts and prison services, probation services, police, has an impact on what has happened. but i think a lot of the paranoia has been turned into a politicalfootball which i think it's disgraceful. a lot of the paranoia over what is based on islamophobic rhetoric, it's being used as a political football to control voters in the conversation. i'd like to see the same sort of rhetoric, the same sort of passion applied to domestic

abuse, we are seeing far more women killed every week by men they know in their homes and we are terrorist attacks. you said the political row was disgraceful. what about you, john, what do you think? i'm retired, lived in north berwick all my life. what annoys me, politicians turning this into a political football. looking directly at the four genus behind you, victoria. from your prime minister's questions oi'i from your prime minister's questions ona from your prime minister's questions on a wednesday, the way you behave in parliament, you are like a bunch of school kids and two young kids have lost their lives, they had their futures in front of them and i'iow their futures in front of them and now one is blaming the labour party for changing the law, the other is going on about police numbers, it wouldn't matter if there was another 100,000 police on the streets, you cannot stop a lone wolf doing what happened, you cannot, it's impossible. but i get back to

the basics, it's you politicians, start behaving like grown, mature adults. do you want to respond? introduce yourselves. let me start. i've got to agree with what you say, john. and i've got to agree with what you say, i'm a liberal democrat. i think what has happened is obviously absolutely tragic. i think it's the result of history and circumstances. asa result of history and circumstances. as a politician i think we have to have a nswers as a politician i think we have to have answers about this, i don't wa nt to have answers about this, i don't want to turn it into a political football, we will get on later to proportional representation and the adversarial nature of politics.|j proportional representation and the adversarial nature of politics. i am going to push you, robert, if i made. i would ask you gentlemen not to make speeches, today is about the voters but i would ask you to respond directly to what was said, can you please start behaving like responsible adults? absolutely, i

think the four of us certainly shall andi think the four of us certainly shall and i think this is very important, we've got to restore faith in politics. introduce yourself. i'm craig, the scottish conservative candidate for the general election, journalist the house of commons for many years and when i look at it now, i think it's got worse, the disrespect shown what do you think about the row this weekend between your party and the labour party? first and foremost we need to recognise pots should be with the families of those affected, the victims and those who ran towards the trouble. how do you feel about labours —— leaders ramming? the trouble. how do you feel about labours -- leaders ramming? this tragic incident took place during a general election period and people will look at it through that prism but we should be paying tribute to those emergency services and the victims but the point that john made, you can't stop a lone wolf, you can't. can i ask you

this individual was in prison and released under early release so we have to have concerns if we are going to identify and put terrorists through the judicial system and have them held in jail, through the judicial system and have them held injail, they should do them held injail, they should do the full term, they shouldn't be getting released because we identified he was a threat once, he we nt identified he was a threat once, he went on to be a threat i identified he was a threat once, he went on to be a threat lam going to ask you not to make speeches but to ask if boris johnson is exploiting this for his own electoral purposes. i don't think he is. jeremy corbyn? i would not want to comment on jeremy is. jeremy corbyn? i would not want to comment onjeremy corbyn either. because i don't think either political leader is setting out to make political points, we got into political discourse on this. does anybody here thinkjeremy corbyn and borisjohnson aren't anybody here thinkjeremy corbyn and boris johnson aren't setting out to score political points? introduce

yourself. i'm colin, i retired dentist and trustee of north berwick day centre. i do think, listened to borisjohnson being interviewed by andrew moore and i thought his performance was disgraceful, i haven't heard jeremy corbyn ‘s comments but i suspect he will be doing exactly the same and these lovely people, saskia and jack, combating exactly the thing they are trying to portray, they were trying to help prisoners get back into society and they were working with this chap when he savagely turned on them, it's an appalling act and i think it shouldn't be brought into the political sphere. will it change 01’ the political sphere. will it change or influence, perhaps i should say, the way you vote in this general election? it won't, you mustn't give in to terrorism and it should have no effect on the way you vote, you should still vote on the matters which concern us. is it going to

influence anyone else? the way you vote ? influence anyone else? the way you vote? alex, i will influence anyone else? the way you vote? alex, iwill come influence anyone else? the way you vote? alex, i will come to you in a moment, i know you can't fold, i know you are desperate come over here, richard, introduce yourself, will it influence the way you vote? i'm richard, it manager, i've been in east lothian for 20 years. it will harden my opinion. in what way? the cuts that we've seen to policing, the prison service, the pa role policing, the prison service, the parole service. our now higher on my agenda than they would have been previously. 0k. can i ask you last week how you were thinking of voting this week how you are thinking of voting? last week's a swing towards the labour party, more strongly labour party this week. ok. what does anybody else think about the political row over the weekend, who bears responsibility, alexander?” think there's been a problem where the political parties have been using it as a partisan thing, it has been blaming each other, the labour

party saying it's a conservative salt, vice versa, if you want to find solutions we need to focus on policy matters because i think this was a terrible tragedy. but i think there were some things that could have been done that could have prevented this. i think there's been a problem, there's been massive cuts to present services, massive cuts to police and the justice system in general. i think that's something we should try and address but also i don't think we should try to increase prison sentences as a way of circumventing this because he was already convicted, the terrorist, for a long sentence but he did not serve the sentence, if he was going to be let out at all, we let, we should not let them out on licence, we should investigate them, they should go to a parole or probation board and be seen first. let me bring in martin whitfield, labour

party candidate for this constituency. kenny macaskill, the snp candidate, formerjustice secretary in the scottish government. when you see your boss and the conservative party leader ramming about where responsibility might lie, what do you think, martin? the first thing that comes to mind, having been the mp here for east lothian until the dissolution of parliament, is to extend our condolences to the victims, families and those involved because i think that shows the humanity that exists in the united kingdom and it's not a flippant, throwaway line, in the united kingdom and it's not a flippa nt, throwaway line, people in the united kingdom and it's not a flippant, throwaway line, people are genuinely distressed, genuinely upset and concerned for the victims and their families. to come to the question i'm going to quote jack mira ‘s dad, he said in a tweet that has now been delayed,

his son would not have wanted his death to be used asa not have wanted his death to be used as a pretext for more draconian sentences or for detaining people i mean, it's already happening. firstly, these events are still so raw, the knowledge that we have two lead to the consequence of two people being murdered on london bridge, we don't know yet so it is very difficult to make snap decisions about what should or should not happen but i would point to the dignity of that, revenge is not inherent in people, people want to live safely, they want others to

live safely. is it a political football? i think because the fact we are in a general election, there is an inevitability of political talk about it and there should be, but that shouldn't, in any way, overshadowed the fact of our condolences and the fact that we need time to understand this event, we've had previous terrorist actions which have happened and have not been forgotten and actually, that's very important to our community. kenny. it's an act of appalling barbarity but the statement by david merritt was remarkable, as dignified as some of the comments made especially by the prime minister we re especially by the prime minister were despicable. i think we also have to look at those who were involved and in terms of saving the tragedy from getting worse,

actually involved in prisoner rehabilitation and other events ongoing but we have to learn lessons. this is why there has to be some debate and it has to be done with dignity, they prevent scheme has been a failure because of lack of resources, less of a failure north of the border because we have a different scheme and i think we can look at with some admiration of how it's operated here but probation services were privatised by chris grayling have collapsed south of the border. it was an utter folly carried out by him and that's where the blame ultimately lies. prisoners have to be released at some stage u nless we have to be released at some stage unless we are going to keep some and a few people in scotland and england will be in prison for the rest of

the naturalise, most had to be released but what we have to do is ensure when they are in our care and custody as a state, we work with them to de—radicalised them and when they are released we have a probation service that can monitor them and ensure they are watching what they are doing, that's where the failure came from, that started under theresa may ‘s tenure as home secretary. do you see that, kenny macaskill, using this as a political football or do you see him as pointing out what he thinks is the reality? introduce yourself. i'm an it consultant and i live in north berwick, it's interesting what kenny says, wasn't he the man who released the libyan bomber

who killed 270 people, i notice on compassionate grounds but do we not need deterrence, do we not let people die in prison when they've committed atrocities like that? i believe we need humility and we need to think again why these things occur, not making judgments like any has just done and i think it's a disgusting attitude from yourself, you need humility, think about the consequences of what you've done personally and we need to look at the system of justice personally and we need to look at the system ofjustice in

the uk. scotla nd the system ofjustice in the uk. scotland is devolved. kenny, you can respond. the circumstances were very different when you release the lockerbie bomber. the lockerbie bomber did not reoffend, it followed the rules and guidance operating by both the health board and the courts and parliament in scotland. do you stand by that decision? i do, it's for people to make up their own mind, he did not reoffend, i believe scotla nd mind, he did not reoffend, i believe scotland is a safer place as events have shown. equally, no country is free from terror, this is not a matter dealt with by the scottish parliament, criminal law is devolved, we have appropriate laws and at the end of the day we need to make sure we tackle the root problem, this goes back to the iraq warand problem, this goes back to the iraq war and the problems released globally because whatever terror we face in britain, north and south of the border, it's like nothing that's being experienced in afghanistan and

iraq. we have unleashed a terror now coming home to haunt us and the blame goes back to tony blair. sam on twitter it says we should respect the family's wishes and stop talking about these in political terms. some newspapers are using this to spread hate and create more division against the family's wishes. it's awful, the bbc used it as an excuse to get boris johnson awful, the bbc used it as an excuse to get borisjohnson on with andrew marr, this was awful. another tweet says ten years of tory cuts decimated public services including criminal justice. decimated public services including criminaljustice. the tory manifesto doesn't touch any of these issues, courts sitting empty etc. no plan, no clue, ijust blame the labour party. julie says i vote with my heart, no tactics for me in this election. another of your e—mails saying how can you ask if this will influence anyone ‘s boats, the same rhetoric of the time, politicians talk, it's revealed these people we re talk, it's revealed these people were known to the authorities, it's laughable. lisa says it's

definitely the volt of politicians and lawmakers, this country is far too soft, what is the difference if the terrorist was kept in prison for the ums? it would have done the same, bring deterrence in to help keep about such a vile crimes. wherever you are in the countryjoin us this morning, send us an e—mail, message us on morning, send us an e—mail, message us on twitter using the hashtag. hilary, you wanted to come in. i think we need to move away from the discourse of playing with events like this. it's very easy to start blaming one side or another, one party or another, one event or another, it's far too simplistic an approach. this event has

been an accumulation, has been the result of an accumulation of different circumstances, we have no idea about. the very simple basic facts andi about. the very simple basic facts and i think it's beholden on us to keep the standard of debate hi on this and not to come down to blaming one side or another. who agrees with that would stop and chair of the local parent council of the high school. and alex 's dad, which is why alex is allowed to be here, his dad has said it's ok, is an authorised or unauthorised absence. we will deal with that later. i actually want to talk briefly in support of the politicians. hilary has said it shouldn't be a blame game, politicians for their opinion andi game, politicians for their opinion and i expect them to give it, there are different opinions across the political spectrum. if we don't want them to make it

a political football we need to take time to reflect. we do, there's pressure, we need to comment, let's take a breather, a step back, rushing tojudgment helps nobody. but i respect the politicians for saying what they think and believe, they believe it from their hearts, they are standing for election and they think they are doing the right thing and we should respect that for all of them. we'll isn't it true to say, we expect politicians to keep us safe. if your son or daughter goes out to work or volu nteers son or daughter goes out to work or volunteers in the u k on a friday afternoon,. is it not legitimate squat these people were kept conservative. prime minister has put terrorist atrocities of this nature though when a single day of that. can you explain why under your government in the last nine years you failed to scrap the earth prime minister says he is committed to doing that. it's nine years? he is

the prime minister and had to do that. i am going to ask spain the labour party asian in 2008. is it fairfor him to do that labour party asian in 2008. is it fair for him to do that when the tories have been in powerfor almost a decade and they failed to scrap the scheme? the sentence handed down in 2008- the scheme? the sentence handed down in 2008— would not have applied after 2012 and i think what is clear now, the prime minister is coming in and saying for criminal acts of this nature when a sentence is passed down, the sentence should be served. what's in your manifesto that would have made usman khan serve his full term? the prime minister says he will do that. what is in your ma nifesto ? will do that. what is in your manifesto? nothing to that effect but the prime minister has been clear. now there's been a terrorist attack he is saying he would do that. the prime was absolutely clear that. the prime was absolutely clear that we can, given that commitment, doesn't need to be in the manifesto for it to be in the queen's speech for it to be in the queen's speech for example and its crystal clear we will do that. we have shown we are tough on crime, we will obviously tackle these issues and i think to go back to kenny ‘s point, the release of the lockerbie bomber, i think one of the issues is he was released on compassionate grounds. but he went on to live for three yea rs but he went on to live for three years when his victims and the families of his victims would have

given everything to have spent three minutes with their family members who died. this is a very, very complex area and highly contentious. but i think we've got to be mindful we are in an election period but we don't want this to become overly political and if any individual or newspaper is using this to stoke up anti—islamic sentiment that should be absolutely condemned and i would condemn it and i believe the prime minister will as well. but she had been overly political in that response, as has your boss and osman kant was released on your watch without any risk assessment from the probity, and what we are saying is that now will be fixed. it's too late. to light in this instance but moving forward will not be any consolation to the parents of jack or saskia? this is a tragic case, we are looking at what has happened, as martin says it's too early to draw absolute conclusions. at what is crystal clear is from this point on, out crystal clear is from this point on, our party has given a commitment to a mandatory sentencing and we will not release terrorists a day earlier than they should

be released. the reason you haven't done that in the la st reason you haven't done that in the last nine years as borisjohnson said, he's only been prime minister for months, he believes it should be done and he will do it and i think that's important. do you accept he keeps trying to disassociate himself from the previous nine years of conservative government? i don't know if you heard the chuckle in the room, know if you heard the chuckle in the room , you know if you heard the chuckle in the room, you can see people smiling and laughing. we are part of a global learning centre, we are interested in how people engage with these issues, what's amazing about what you said it shows how reactionary and how you are using what happened on friday as a political tool and i watched mrjohnson ‘s interview on sunday with andrew moore. my entire reaction was how inhuman it was. i felt he had no connection with those issues. i

felt he was happily blaming someone else, he disassociated himself entirely from the tory leadership for the last nine years. and he talked about what he was going to do and actually how can we trust someone who apparently changes their opinion overnight just because of one particular action? is that what we want a leader to do, to change and decide they are going to do something because of one particular event? surely we want someone who is going to think about the entire picture and the bigger picture and more

understanding. i agree with you about the reactionary stance. we need to go back and look at the source, the reason this is happening, isolation, alienation, abandonment, sword of brainwashing people who feel they have no hope, basically. you need to go back to the source and cure the problem at the source and cure the problem at the source and cure the problem at the source rather than responding with we are going to do something now. people have died before something has been done. why does it ta ke something has been done. why does it take deaths before something is done? what do you as the labour candidate, martin, feel about the fa ct candidate, martin, feel about the fact that your government, sorry,

your party has been blamed for introducing this automatic release halfway through a sentence under the last labour government? is it fair? i think it reflects the blame game culture of trying to find a responsibility. was it a mistake to bring that legislation? at the time it wasn't a mistake to bring the legislation in because it was coupled with the education passat within the prison service, coupled within the prison service, coupled with the probation service that sat to ta ke with the probation service that sat to take care because the greatest tragedy here is that having released you were her tutor. how did you and saskia become friends?” you were her tutor. how did you and saskia become friends? i said earlier she would come up to me at

the end of lectures, notjust me but other lecturers, and talk to me about whatever was the topic that day, she would walk to me to my room and we would carry on talking about the things that work on topic for that week. she would come and see me in my office to talk about issues that she was concerned about. and then she chose to do her dissertation on rape and sexual violence and so i became her supervisor. and in those supervisions i got to know saskia in a much deeper way. she wrote beautifully and i read draft after d raft beautifully and i read draft after draft and i watched her dissertation growth. it was flawless. it was 100%. and then when she graduated she applied to cambridge university and she would come back and see me regularly and we would go for a coffee, she met my dog. we would spend time together. what did saskia wa nt to

spend time together. what did saskia want to do with her life? well, when she finished at anglia ruskin that she finished at anglia ruskin that she wanted to work in rape and sexual violence, and then at some point after she graduated from cambridge university, she decided to become a police officer. and i was shocked because i hadn't imagined that she would be a police officer. she wanted to work with victims. and so she said that's how i want to work with victims. she said i want to make a difference at the front line where victims don't have the support that they may be should have. and so that was her plan. she was always going to work with victims of violence and she was going to do it through the gatekeepers. i want to ask you, colleen, what you think about the political row over the weekend after what happened at london bridge on friday. i don't want to get involved ina friday. i don't want to get involved in a political discussion. i want to

talk about saskia. but i know that saskia would have been horrified by the mudslinging and blame that seems to be at the front line of the conversation about what happened on friday. and so i think i'd rather talk about saskia and how she would wa nt talk about saskia and how she would want us to be talking about peace, understanding. i think that's where i want to stay. thank you so much, colleen, for paying tribute to saskia. we appreciate your time and we are saskia. we appreciate your time and we a re really saskia. we appreciate your time and we are really sorry for your loss. coueen we are really sorry for your loss. colleen moore, who is a friend and who was saskia jones's tutor. and for our voters here, when i asked coueen for our voters here, when i asked colleen at the end, i know you couldn't quite hear all of that, when i asked colleen at the end what she thought about the political row, she thought about the political row, she said saskia would not have wa nted she said saskia would not have wanted that to be the conversation because that was not the kind of

person she was and she would have been concerned to be talking about peace. i want to bring you some breaking news if i may. bear with me one second. this is from the metropolitan police, their counter terrorism command and officers have arrested a 23—year—old man in north london on suspicion of breaching notification requirements under counter terror legislation. he was a rested yesterday and remains in custody at a south london police station. —— arrested. we are told it is not linked to what happened at london bridge on friday but an arrest of a 23—year—old man in north london has taken place and counterterrorism legislation and detained at a south london police station. —— under counterterrorism legislation. this e—mail says, used to bea legislation. this e—mail says, used to be a prison guard, the reason for treatment soft is not a lack of prisons or officers, is because the prisons or officers, is because the prisons are accountable to human rights and the soft approach there.

prisoners used to smash their tvs and because it was deemed against the human rights to be deprived of a tv, a new tv had to be replaced in hours. brian says i would vote for the party which would bring back justice to our country by returning capital punishment. somebody laughed here. match on e—mail says, ifind it flabbergasted, this incident or whatever the issues that are in the country, the conservatives cannot ta ke country, the conservatives cannot take responsibility for their failings and always want to blame a government that hasn't been in power for nearly ten years. thank you for your contributions so far here in north berwick. we are at the scottish seabird centre which is a conservation and education charity. we are in a beautiful part of the world but you already know that. we have heard from some of the candidates for this constituency, east lothian. we have robert o'riordan from the liberal democrats, craig hoyt of the conservatives, kenny macaskill of the snp he hopes, i read, that it is

his political comeback. martin whitfield, the incumbent labour candidate and hopefully you will see on your screen the other candidates also standing. we are going to talk about other issues that are important to you in this election but for our audience around the country, here is a little bit more about north berwick. east lothian is a mostly rural constituency with a0 miles of coastline. here in north berwick, a seaside resort, just 6,600 people live here. a seaside resort, just 6,600 people this is scotland's sunniest region. a seaside resort, just 6,600 people fourth sunniest in the whole of the uk, in fact. the main towns in the area are dunbar, with its ruined castle, which once sheltered mary queen of scots. haddington, which means hidden town. and musselburgh, which gets its name from the mussel beds along the firth of forth. and of course, north berwick, the north was added to distinguish itself from berwick—upon—tweed, which as you know, is in england. average house prices in north berwick are high.

a terraced house can cost £351,000. that compares with £168,000 on average elsewhere in scotland and 264,000 in england. people here tend to work in tourism, catering and fishing, or on one of the 19 golf courses. by february, there is a huge sea gannet population here, one of the largest colonies of sea gannets in the world. emily is here. please introduce yourself. i am a conservationist working around east lothian.. beautiful place to work. it is a stunning place to work, we have a beautiful coastline here, we have a lot going for us in scotland. when we talk about the environment, but also the environment is in trouble, asa also the environment is in trouble, as a lot of us will know. over my lifetime i feel like i've seen the environment i love starting to disintegrate. and not only is that

terrible for wildlife and terrible for the natural world, nature also provides the life systems that keep us provides the life systems that keep us alive, and i think for too long the environment has been separated from human rights. i think now we are starting to realise they could not be more linked. so that's why when i vote i will look at environmental issues at the top of my list. there is no green party candidate here. how disappointed are you about that? really disappointed because i feel like whether you agree with all of the green party's policies or not, they are real forces for change when we talk about the conversation that goes on in government. and the more people that we have there that are really pushing the issues that matter, i think the better. you said in the course of your work you have seen changes. can you give us a concrete example, whether it is to do with the habitat or the wildlife which has changed which you think is climate related? as we are

in the sea bed centre, i guess sea beds are something i work with a lot, i work out on the islands we are looking enough to have off the coast here and sea birds have taken a real decline over the last 30 years. —— lucky enough to have. when we looked at the report earlier this year we are looking at species that rely on the sea to survive,, decreases in the sea to survive,, decreases in the last 30 years of more than 70%. why is that? a mixture of reasons. changing sea temperatures is one of them. we are looking at sand eels especially, or a small fish, that could usually survive and thrive in these waters, starting to move elsewhere and not being able to survive with the changing temperatures of the water. but once againi temperatures of the water. but once again i would say this isn'tjust an issue affecting wildlife, it is also going to affect millions and millions of people and i think that is something we have failed to recognise and we have consistently

pushed it to the back of the agenda. we have seen government announced a climate emergency under great pressure from public opinion but we haven't seen them do anything about it. we are not talking about small changes here. we are talking about a massive transformation to our systems and our society. the fact that they are the first government to legislate for a net—zero carbon emissions to try and stabilise global temperatures, does that mean nothing to you? unfortunately, that's not enough. when we look at making promises about when we are going to get on net zero, we have a whole variety of promises being made by the different parties but the reality is the longer we keep emitting carbon the longer we don't get to that net zero target, the more people around the world and wildlife are going to be affected in really, really horrible ways. thank you very much, emily. i'm going to introduce our audience to jack who isa introduce our audience to jack who

is a lobster fisherman and i went out on a boat with him yesterday. what are the issues here, would you say, because it's absolutely the most stunning environment, isn't it? well, the issues are the young people not being able to get housing, which we feel bad about. i think we've had the best of it and the houses seem very expensive now. are they? why is that? i think it's just because it is a nice place to live and the train service i think makes a big difference. easy commuting distance from edinburgh makes a big difference. what about people buying second homes as holiday homes? well, that's happening and it seems to be happening more and more. now, you voted remain in the independence referendum to stay within the united kingdom. absolutely, yes. and remain in the eu referendum. i did but i haven't got particularly strong views on that because — there are points that the eec seems to be very

top—heavy and very, a lot of rules and things. but we've had peace and we've had other aspects which i think put it that i would remain. you have traditionally voted conservative, haven't you? i have. what about this time? maybe conservative, maybe liberal, certainly not snp. why do you say certainly not snp? because it would be a total disaster if we became independent. maybe conservative, maybe lib dems, you said? yes. what's going to... i mean, what do you think of their respective leaders, borisjohnson and jo swinson? not a lot, really. because, i just feel that we can't really trust what they say and i feel that we don't look up to them any more like we used to to our mps

who we used to respect. for you, what is the number one issue? number one issue is the environment. no doubt. because things are changing so quickly. we see it when we are fishing different species. what do you see? different species in our creels. we see lobsters change their shells at different times that they wouldn't have done before. we see... many, many things. big changes that didn't happen maybe 20 or 30 years ago. who is the party best placed to protect the environment, do you think, then? well, staying in europe makes a lot of sense regarding that issue. so, who is the party for that? well, i suppose that's the big question, of course. the lib dems say they want to stop brexit. well, the lib dems maybe, but have they got any...? i don't know all the different people involved. right. but what i do feel is we need

to have people we respect. jack, thank you so much. you have confused me with a number of things that you've said but i'm really grateful that you were honest about it. thank you very much for taking us out on your boatjust as the sun is going down. well, it's a pity we're not somewhere hot and somewhere nice where we could see you in your bikini. jack, thank you so much! laughter i was not offended. thank god for all of us it was a freezing cold day yesterday. i want to bring in hilary and other of our voters here. people around the country who have not been to this part of the world may have an impression it is pretty affluent. jack was talking about the cost of housing, second homes. is that a fair picture? it is one that i think is quite a common perception of the area, that it is quite affluent. perhaps i should introduce myself. i chair the local area partnership which is a loose association of community groups that come together

to address inequalities in the area. we are given resources by the council in order to do that. i have perhaps an overarching view of inequality in the ward that is here that may not be so obvious to people coming to visit, or are just coming to live here. so, educate us. well, our biggest inequality here is about social isolation and accessibility. we struggle quite a bit with that, being a rural area. it's fine if you live within the centre of town but not everyone can afford to do that, asi not everyone can afford to do that, as i think you have alluded to earlier. so people who live a bit further out, getting access to doctors, dentists, post office etc, it can be quite difficult for them. colin, how dare you retire? dentists are needed! my son and daughter have just opened a practice. 0k, brilliant. i'd like to add, to pick

up brilliant. i'd like to add, to pick up on what emily said earlier, about ambition. i think that is sadly lacking in our politics now and with political parties there is a lot of promises, a lot of empty rhetoric as faras i'm promises, a lot of empty rhetoric as far as i'm concerned, and very little in the way of ambition, true ambition, andl little in the way of ambition, true ambition, and i think that's something i'd like to hear from our candidates here. as to how ambitious they are for the community that you are going to be hoping to serve.” am going to let them answer that in am going to let them answer that in a moment because i want to whizz around to get some more responses to theissues around to get some more responses to the issues we have talked about.” am sandolo, a local lobster fisherman. i run my business from the harbour here in north berwick. —— sam lowe. me and my fiance have been trying to get onto the property ladderfor been trying to get onto the property ladder for quite been trying to get onto the property ladderfor quite some been trying to get onto the property ladder for quite some time and we have found it extremely difficult. we need our base to be in north berwick, both of our businesses work from here, but we can't afford to buy a property in or around north berwick. we see all over the place affordable housing schemes but we

just don't apply, we don't pay the rent and stay in north berwick, you don't apply for the housing scheme. it seems a bit backwards and something changing on that side of things would be fantastic. what is the average cost of a terraced house here? it is around £350,000. it is astonishing. and a lot of the time it goes for above the asking price so there is no way for a first—time buyer to get onto the property ladder unless you have some amazing job with disposable money and you are able to kind of get a huge deposit. do you accept, sam, you are going to stay working here is a fisherman but won't be able to buy your own place, or at some point will you and your fiance have to move somewhere else? will you and your fiance have to move somewhere else ?” will you and your fiance have to move somewhere else? i accept, i don't see myself moving from north berwick harbour any time soon but i accept that i'm not going to be able to live in north berwick or

surrounding area. we have been renting a good ten or 15 miles away from the harbour and that's just a realistic idea of where we are going to have to live. i'm going to wander back to our candidates and put hilary's point to them and also sam's. in terms of ambition, gentlemen, to help somebody like sam and his fiancee, from the liberal democrats, what could you do for him? well, sam, who are actually know particularly welcome and his fiancee, i think it's absolutely terrible you can't find a home you can terrible you can't find a home you ca n afford terrible you can't find a home you can afford here. obviously, there is the question of housing, how much housing is devolved and how much is a westminster issue, victoria. but as liberal democrats, and in response to hilary's question as well, we are extremely ambitious and keen to build a brighterfuture. well, we are extremely ambitious and keen to build a brighter future. my god, i'm so sorry! that is not ambitious, to repeat a platitude about building a brighter future. ambitious, to repeat a platitude about building a brighterfuture. in practical terms, what are

you promising? so, let's start with the environment. no, we are talking about housing. we are committed to building more houses, it is a uk issue. and obviously to have... every politician at every election promises to build more houses when they get into government and they don't often materialise, is that fair? that is possibly fair. i think the biggest challenge here is the type of housing. we have seen a lot of housing here, we have seen a lot of housing here, we have seen a lot of overload to our infrastructure and we need the right sort of housing for the right sort of people. sam is the right sort of person. the snp. it is about building houses, notjust affordable housing but council housing and to the credit of the scottish government which has started a council house will then programme and also stop the sale of council houses because there has been no point building council houses when you see them sold off or acquired at a discount price that the council is paying. have any new council houses

been built? new house all done at council houses are being built in east lothian to the credit of the scottish government and also the council. the money has come from the scottish government provided to east lothian council and i pay credit to the administration. conservative and labour are laughing at that. why? the government sitting at holyrood has pulled resources out of local authorities across scotland. here we are in east lothian, lost 25 million over the last ten years. this is the money that needs to go into housing, go into infrastructure and this is the reality of the situation. we have had a requirement to build 10,000 new houses from the scottish government here within east lothian across the whole of east lothian and yet the funding for the infrastructure we need, the funding for the gp surgeries, funding for the dentists and banks and everything else that makes a community community has been denied to in east lothian. if you look at the pledge we have made uk wide that doesn't apply here that i would like the snp to match, which is to put

infrastructure first. before we start building the houses we put in the roads, railways, schools and hospitals and make sure our communities are sustainable. east lothian is the second fastest growing area in scotland and quality—of—life will be hit for those who live here and those who move here. the very thing people are moving here for which is this beautiful environment runs the risk of being concreted over and there will be to the detriment of everybody‘s quality—of—life. will be to the detriment of everybody's quality-of-life. where does brexit fit into this and a second independence referendum? some of you are smiling. david, where does brexit fit into this? does it help or hinder a place like north berwick? i think there is opportunities that would come with brexit and obviously there could be drawbacks as well. it remains to be seen but i think a democratic vote of the uk people needs to be respected. i voted remain because i was disturbed by what the snp would make out of this and the union is very important to me to retain the union and fellowship amongst the people of these isles.

but now the vote has been made, the people have spoken out now it is up to the government, whoever it may be, in westminster to get it done. yes, go ahead. i'm olaf marshall, i'm a hotel worker, i've lived in and around east lothian for the last 23 years. i grew up here. what i find baffling from most of the elected representatives in scotland is that they have not taken into account that over! million scots voted to leave the eu and the scottish nationalists have pretty much completely ignored us. it's like the leave voters in scotland don't exist. they never talk about them. but as a fair point, four out of ten scottish voters voted to leave. that's true. but they weren't voting leave for a

no—deal brexit, that's why the conservatives argued for a customs union. your party has completely ignored the fact that over! million people in scotland voted to leave the eu. and like i said before, your party has pretty much airbrushed us out of history like we don't exist. go ahead. it is funny that david is saying we have to recognise a democratic vote one second and the next minute olaf is saying you are not recognising the minority who voted to leave. you can't have it both ways. where are you on this, john? i voted leave, i remember in 73 when we joined what was then the common market. yes, i was then the common market. yes, i was all for it. in 75 we had a referendum and i think it was about 63% voted to remain. but since then, it has become totally political. and

what do you think about the fact the uk hasn't left yet? i think it's disgraceful. i'm hoping in this general election that the westminster swamp is totally drained. there is a lot of these so—called mps who are voting against their constituents' wishes. who would you be voting for in this election? put it this way, i will be voting for the party that i voted for most of my life. which is what? north berwick being an affluent area might give you a clue. conservative? conservative. as a vote for the conservative. as a vote for the conservative party vote to break up the union? no, certainly not. do not think if brexit happens... a vote for the snp is a vote to break up the union. if brexit happens, and we know a majority of scots voted to remain in the eu referendum, does that not give more momentum? no. who agrees or disagrees?

it absolutely does, and i'm horrified, approaching christmas, turkeys voting for christmas. the majority of people in scotla nd christmas. the majority of people in scotland and in this constituency voted to remain. i appreciate not everybody did but the whole point about the majority is that's what they voted for. we were talking about housing a moment to go. there isa about housing a moment to go. there is a real pressure on housing but we might solve that with brexit because not so many people will come here, we won't have people looking to work here, we won't have any agricultural workers working in the beautiful landscape we have around here so we won't have a problem with housing and we won't have any plea to work in hospitals, social care or health care, so that will solve the housing crisis because there won't be people needing houses but i don't know what it will do to the hospitals and farming in the area. it is a disaster. who else thinks it is a disaster. who else thinks it is a disaster or not? i think it is a total disaster and i'm sick of this phrase, "let's get it done." what on earth are they trying to get

done? nobody has explained it but we know it is not good. you tell susan. there is a deal on the table, just need ratifying, sign, somebody needs to give boris a pen and give him the authority to sign it and that's what we need to get done, very, very clear. that is actually naive. this deal doesn't get any of the trade deal doesn't get any of the trade deal is done. we will have 5—10 years of negotiations and we will get nowhere with it. this is only the start of it, it is not the end of it at all, even if the deal gets voted through, we have years and years of wrangling and that will affect the economy severely. i'm just going to show our audience images now of borisjohnson, the prime minister, arriving at the guildhall near london bridge. jeremy corbyn is there as well. vigils are being held in both cambridge city centre and at the guildhall in london. the mayor of london sadiq khan is there too.

the vigils for jack merritt and saskia jones starting at 11am and there will be a two—minute silence at both and we will bring you live coverage of those on the bbc news channel and on bbc two. sorry, colin, carry on.” finished. ok, sorry. popsie nkuna, go for it. i am a mother and i trained as a nurse but my visa and bureaucracy cut it short. you haven't got long, what you want to say? ijust feel it is haven't got long, what you want to say? i just feel it is sad the haven't got long, what you want to say? ijust feel it is sad the uk has voted to leave the eu because when we leave the eu that means we are taken out of many things that protect many people, especially human rights, of course, and with borisjohnson, i think he is not for people who are normal like myself, really. he is for the rich rather

than the poor. and i like the concept of the snp because the snp think down to the level of those people who are suffering in reality, not in tv or anything must come down to my level. i'm going to pause you there because we have reached the end of the programme. i'm grateful to all of you, the time did fly, didn't it? thank you to our candidates as well, we appreciated. thank you for your time. that's it from us. we will bring you coverage of those memorial services and vigils on bbc right now. we are shortly going to bring you coverage of a vigil for victims of the london bridge terror attack. there are two vigils happening this morning. one is at the guildhall in central london and in just a moment they will be observing a two—minute silence. you can see the prime minister and the mayor of london sadiq khan. celebrating rehabilitation and finding only danger. workers at fish

hall and elsewhere offering hospitality but discovering they needed to give protection. revellers enjoying their day and encountering turmoil. police are risking their lives for the preservation of peace. medics seeking to save life and heel injury. travellers making their way in peace and encountering fear. all who moved towards danger for the sake of others. our city, vibrant and alive yet threatened with death. let us keep silent and remember.

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