so after the attack that night when kyle farrell died, she was taken into custody and she effectively told her friend to tell you everything. and what did that involve ? everything. and what did that involve? heather broke down and she hello, it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. told me that he had been raping her and at one point he had done it at a mother of two who killed the father of her children has won the right to appeal his mothers house and she had run to against her murder conviction. appeal courtjudges say they believe heather's and told her what had new evidence may explain why happened and that was the first time he had done it. and that happened a faireissia martin lost control and stabbed her partner. her mother spoke to her in prison lot of times after that.|j this morning and says she has "new faith". he had done it. and that happened a lot of times after that. i had seen bruises on her thighs as well. one time she was in the shower and she there is hope now. now she has her faith back because she lost all her was a bit apprehensive to open the door and she said, can't you wait, andi door and she said, can't you wait, and i said no, so she took one leg faith, because things have gone out of the shower opening the door, quite wrong. is as she got back in i saw the nato leaders including president trump, marks and i asked her what art those will sit down in the next hour marks and i asked her what art those marks on your legs and she told me to discuss the biggest security threats facing the planet.

meanwhile footage has emerged she tripped over the coffee table. showing world leaders — canada's justin trudeau, your daughter stabbed farrell in the borisjohnson, and president macron of france gently mocking chest after a big argument one the president's impromptu press conference yesterday. night, and she was found guilty of murder. why do you say that that is a miscarriage of justice? wonder what president trump murder. why do you say that that is a miscarriage ofjustice? because she did not intend to hurt him in will say in response? this is miss ukraine. that way. she was defending herself. 0r she was until she was stripped of her title and £10,000 was strangling her at the time he and she lost control. i think it was pound prize money because she's a mum. she tells us this morning why she's mounting a legal challenge the build—up to what she had been against the miss world contest. subjected to. and itjust had an and, a new report shines a light on levels of depression amongst working class men. effect on her mental state, basically. i will bring in harriet, we'll talk to mark galliford who is representing your daughter. and adam barton about the dark place and, harriet, you were behind the they found themselves in, and why they couldn't speak out. successful appeal of sally challen, and our audience will remember she

hello. killed her husband after decades of coercive and controlling behaviour. are there similarities between sally welcome to the programme. challen‘s case on this? we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking are there similarities between sally challen's case on this? they have about — use the hashtag come from different backgrounds and victoria live. circumstances but both of their if you re emailing and are happy relationships were characterised by for us to contact you 7 and maybe coercive and controlling behaviour. want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. do you support the ex miss ukraine when fri was trying to get her story who is taking legal action against the miss world contest because they disqualified because she was a out unfortunately, the solicitors who represented her were not able to mother. what do you think of that? she tells us she did know what the get much of her story out but she rules were but went ahead and wrote it down and in the accounts applied anyway. that interview she wrote, you have every single coming later, but his latest summary of the news. factor you would see in a coercive a the prime minister borisjohnson controlling relationship, from the is today urging today urge physical violence described through the leaders of all 29 nato states to the name—calling, the attempt to to show unity as they begin a summit in hertfordshire today. isolate her from family and friends. president trump arrived in the last hour for the summit, sexual violence, all of those which marks the 70th anniversary element were present in the sexual of nato but takes place amid internal arguments about the future of the alliance. mrjohnson said this morning that nato members couldn't be complacent about the security it offers. violence in particular she was

the reason nato is so successful unable to articulate easily and unfortunately a lot of that didn't and provides peace and security for 29 countries, come out at the trial. and you have 1 billion people it is the simple concept of safety in numbers. commissioned both a psychiatrist and psychologist to make an assessment at the heart of it is a pledge that we will of this woman's mental state at the come to one another's time that she killed farrell. what has that show new? this was defence, all for one, defence, absolutely pertinent to the appeal courtjudges saying yes, you can all for one, one for all. ta ke courtjudges saying yes, you can take this forward. basically the while the prime minister hosts the nato summit, legal team at the trial did not his conservative colleagues, and all the other parties, will continue their campaigning explore the psychiatric evidence of for the general election next thursday. tall despite the violence and the tories are pledging new spending towards public transport, labour is also campaigning control she was subjected to. once on transport, and vowing to end so—called rip—off britain we obtained that report and it did by rebalancing wealth, ta ke we obtained that report and it did take quite a long time to feel while the liberal democrats want to improve mental health services in universities. confident to discuss some of the in the us, the intelligence committee investigating sexual violence that she had been whether president trump should be impeached, has voted subjected to but once it came out it to approve a report which says there is ‘overwhelming was clear that that had caused her evidence‘ of misconduct. to suffer from post—traumatic stress disorder as well as eight associative disorder which would have been present at the time that

the vote divided along party lines, and the report is now sent the offence occurred, so when she to the housejudiciary committee, was subjected to another violent which will consider formal impeachment charges against the president. assault her reaction would have been hypervigilant, she might have lost mr trump denies any wrongdoing, and has described the inquiry as a witch—hunt. control as a consequence of the operation of that mental state on bbc news has learned her at the time of the attack. your that the london bridge attacker, usman khan, attended two counter—terrorism programmes that had not been fully tested to see if they were effective. attempt now is to quash the original khan, who was convicted of a terrorism offence in 2012, murder conviction and have a retrial killed 23—year—old saskia jones 01’ murder conviction and have a retrial and 25—year—old jack merritt on friday. or what? what is your hope?m he had completed two rehabilitation schemes during the eight murder conviction and have a retrial or what? what is your hope? if were years he spent in prison able to persuade the court that the and following his release. conviction for murder is unsafe then the government says such programmes are kept "under constant review". there would be two options, one would be to substitute a conviction for manslaughter and the other might be to say it has to return to a a group of researchers says people should have their cholesterol level checked from their mid—20s. a study published in the lancet says retrial and let a jury consider it it's possible to use again with all the evidence that we the reading to calculate the lifetime risk of heart 110w again with all the evidence that we now have. so it will depend on how disease and stroke. it says the earlier people take things pan out but also on the action to reduce cholesterol approach of the crown prosecution through diet changes service and whether they accept that and medication, the better. this evidence is compelling or if police searching for a missing woman

they want to fight it. a young man in the australian outback have found a body. claire hockridge was part did lose his life and was stabbed to of a group that went death. why do you say in this case, missing after their car got stuck in remote terrain south of alice springs. her two fellow—travellers have been found safe. involving fri, is a miscarriage of the four artists nominated for the 2019 turner prize are to share the year's award after urging thejudges justice? you cannot say this is a not to choose any of them as a single winner. lawrence abu hamdan, helen cammock, tai shani and oscar murillo murder without mitigating factors. got together to write we say that the mental state that to the prestigious prize‘s panel. the judges agreed and revealed the move at tuesday's she had common psychiatric condition ceremony in margate, she had common psychiatric condition she had, the fact she was subjected kent. to cumulative and serious provocation and behaviour of that is a summary, back to you, peculiar character will have operated on her, that should not make it murder, it should be victoria. manslaughter at the least and that isa manslaughter at the least and that is a much less grave crime and one nato heads of government are gathering at a hotel in hertfordshire to mark that would not attract normally a the alliance‘s 70th anniversary. the nato secretary generaljens life sentence. it would be a shorter stoltenberg is about to speak. fixed term sentence and she might they have just had a kind of nato then be free to come out for her family photo, if you like. you can

see all the leaders there donald children who ultimately she needs to be with. and we will continue to follow that case. trump, the leader of croatia is there as well. borisjohnson, nato leaders are meeting right now for talks at a hotel in watford. this afternoon us president trump will give a press conference. obviously. emmanuel macron france. there hasn't been much public trudeau of canada and all of the glad—handing between president trump others. there they are. there they and the uk's political leaders thus far, in fact this is the only picture that's emerged so far that shows the president and the pm are, appreciating the military music in the same room. meanwhile, president trump has tweeted: and there will be a brief press enjoyed my meeting with prime minister boris johnson of the united kingdom. conference before they get down to talked about numerous subjects including nato work. and then get together for the and trade. official summit today. yesterday morning the president did an unplanned, impromptu question and answer session with journalists. we ran some of it on yesterday's programme. and now footage has emerged of nato leaders, including justin trudeau of canada, borisjohnson and president macron of france, apparently having a joke at president trump's expense marching band plays about his performance at his off the cuff 0&a.

we will talk more about the nato summita we will talk more about the nato summit a little later. a 26—year—old mum of two serving a life sentence for stabbing her children s father to death says she has" new hope" afterjudges decided she can appeal against her sentence. furaysha martin, who's known as fri martin, stabbed kyle farrell through the heart with a kitchen and you would expect president trump knife at her home in liverpool five years ago. to have something to say about that she claimed to have ina acted in self—defence to have something to say about that in a news conference this afternoon. after farrell turned violent. this footage of princess anne apparently holding back but a jury found her guilty while the queen other members of the royal family greet of murder and she was jailed for life with a minimum term the president and the first lady of 13 years. is trending on twitter. in the last 2a hours, although she is smiling. she is three judges at the court of appeal in london have agreed to allow martin to bring a full challenge smiling. to her conviction after her lawyers told them there is fresh medical evidence relating to her mental nato secretary general state and ptsd that psychiatric and prime ministerjohnson spoke experts believe she must have been suffering from at the time of the killing. at the very start of the talks. her mother lyly maughan good morning and many thanks to has talked to us in her first tv interview along

with harriet wistrich, prime ministerjohnson for hosting a lawyer from the campaign all of us. it's really a great pleasure to be here. the united group justice for women. harriet wistrich represented sally challen — kingdom was nato's first home, so who killed her husband — it's fitting we meet here to mark in her recent successful appeal to get her murder charge reduced to manslaughter, the 70th anniversary of our alliance citing the coercive control that she had endured and to celebrate our success and to in the relationship. ensure our alliance remains fit for the future. nato is the most successful alliance in history i was just overwhelmed with it all. because we have changed as the world has changed and in the last few were you? yes, at first it did not yea rs has changed and in the last few years we has changed and in the last few yea rs we have has changed and in the last few sound too hopeful but i don't really years we have implemented the biggest increase of our collective understand all the legal talk and defence in a generation and we have stepped up in the fight against near the end i was feeling more terrorism and we are investing more in our defence. since 2016 the positive, but it was overwhelming. european iis in our defence. since 2016 the european us and canada have added you have spoken to your daughter imprison this morning. what were you $130 billion to the defence budget. this is unprecedented and making saying to her? i was telling her there is hope now. she can have her nato stronger. nato remains the only

platform where north america and faith back, because she lost all her faith. those things have gone quite europe discuss matters and take actions everyday to protect almost 1 wrong. her spirits are lifted now. billion people, whatever our differences, we will continue to unite around the core task. the call she feels a lot more positive. what did she say to you about the fact that this is the first step? she was is one for all and all for one, and 110w is one for all and all for one, and now i advise mrjohnson to take the floor. boris, please take the floor. happy and hopeful. she said, it's thank you very much and i'm not the end, mum, we still have work delighted to welcome everybody here to do and she knows that there's a to the uk to celebrate the 70th anniversary of nato and, as you say, lot of fight for her and she is ido anniversary of nato and, as you say, i do feel that the alliance is coming home because britain was a hopeful. can i ask you, as the founding memberof coming home because britain was a founding member of nato and it was here that nato opened its first mother of fri can i ask you about headquarters of course, in belgrave the relationship between her and square, shortly before moving to kyle farrell. tell the audience what it was like. at first it was normal. paris as i'm sure colleagues will recall. 70 years on, we are they were young, they were happy. i

rock—solid in our commitment to nato used to cook romantic meals for them and to the giant shield of solidarity that now protects 29 and stuff and then the arguments and countries and nearly a billion people. the fact that we live in peace today demonstrates the power fighting started and at one point of the simple proposition at the they were arguing and i would just leave them and he was on his way out heart of this alliance, that for as long as we stand together no one can andi leave them and he was on his way out and i heard them arguing at the hope to defeat us. and therefore no door. i went in the front room and looked out the window and i saw him one will start a war. this essential push her onto my gate and she fell backwards and i had run out and they principle is enshrined in article five of the north atlantic to, that if any one of us is attacked, all of we re backwards and i had run out and they were riding off on the bike, and he us if any one of us is attacked, all of us will go to their defence. if nato was calling her horrible names and she was in tears. it was then i started getting concerned. she has a stopped being herself she was always bubbly and bright and shining and she became dull and miserable. i

used to ask, what is wrong and she would say nothing and a lot of the time she would stay at my house and he would continually phone her and she'd ignore it for awhile and then she'd ignore it for awhile and then she go in the back room and then say i have got to go, like he had some sort of control on her and that is when i really started getting concerned. there was a time he threw a plate over the baby. he did what? he threw a plate over the babies head. she was cooking for the children, his food was already ready and the eldest asked him for a bit of his food so he took off swearing china is now reaching out to a number of countries, but with trade and shouting and said, i can't have deals, it's obviously now has a very powerful military, and i think that nothing, me and through his plate isa powerful military, and i think that is a big topic of discussion at the over the younger ba by‘s summit. also, russia. they are nothing, me and through his plate over the younger baby's head and she phoned me in tears, and when she told me that, that's when i started talking about the aggressive actions

speaking to her and telling her to of russia and how to deal with that. tell me what is going on because and primarily, obviously, through diplomacy, but also the build—up of then she would forgive him. and then defences, and particularly for vulnerable states, and particularly i started seeing the marks. what the baltic states, who are thought to be under pressure from russia. there is another new area, though, marx did you see? me and my friend for nato, which is space, and in used to go on the off chance just to knock on the door and it would particular, protecting satellites. a lwa ys knock on the door and it would always be ok and a few times we they seem to be concerned about knocked on the lights were off and we could hear whispering and she that, and moving into what they call would not open the door. we went a new domain. they believe there is again on the off chance that the a new domain. they believe there is a need to protect satellites, because of course, they could be door was open and as i'd gone in, vulnerable, and they are vital for herface door was open and as i'd gone in, her face was absolutely black and communications and navigation is for all of us, but also, there is a blue. she made the excuse which was military side to that. if there were logical i suppose, at the time, that ever to be a conflict, though the oven was jamming and she said satellites provide absolutely vital information for the militaries. and she bent down to the oven and it had 110w information for the militaries. and now be expecting any more meetings hit her in the face. now i know that between president trump and prime ministerjohnson? i am is not the case. can i ask you, was between president trump and prime ministerjohnson? iam not between president trump and prime ministerjohnson? i am not sure, between president trump and prime

ministerjohnson? iam not sure, to be honest with you. the summit has their sexual violence? there was. 110w be honest with you. the summit has now begun. and then we are expecting a number can you tell us the nature of that? of separate press conferences. of ididn't can you tell us the nature of that? course, jens stoltenberg will speech i didn't know until i got the phone again. we expect a press conference from borisjohnson again. we expect a press conference from boris johnson and again. we expect a press conference from borisjohnson and also from donald trump. so obviously, those call when it was to ask her potentially could be interesting moments. everything, heather. who is heather? well, absolutely. someone will ask president trump about that footage ofjustin trudeau and mrjohnson and so after. attack that night when president macron gently mocking him from that press conference yesterday, are in today? yeah, definitely. i mean, in a way, it could be rather embarrassing for them, and it certainly doesn't help. this whole issue of unity, which was sort of shattered yesterday, and now trying to draw a line under that, but then this video pops up courtesy of cbc, the canadian broadcasting corporation. it is embarrassing for those who are clearly behind donald

trump's back, talking about him, and it seemed in a way somewhat mocking the fact that he was holding a press conference, which went on and on and on for at least a0 minutes, and therefore, he was late. a bit of an embarrassing moment and it won't lead to the healing of the divisions we saw so vividly yesterday. thank you very much, richard. more to come from there and the press conferences this afternoon and you will see them all on bbc news. meanwhile there were protests outside buckingham palace last night warning president trump to quote — ‘keep his hands off our nhs‘. it comes a week after leaked documents showed uk and us trade officials discussing the price of drugs in the nhs. there‘s been a huge row between the conservatives and labour about whether in any post—brexit uk/us free trade deal, the nhs would have to be opened up to american companies. president trump was asked at that

impromptu press conference he gave yesterday about the nhs and whether it would feature in future trade talks and said, "if you handed it to us on a silver platter we would want nothing to do with it", but he has made contradictory statements about whether the nhs would have to be on the table, as have others. so is the nhs on the table? everything is on the table. on the table. on the table. i think we will have a great trade deal, great and trade deal. when you go into trade, everything is on the table, the nhs 01’ everything is on the table, the nhs or anything else. we can rule out that any part of the nhs will be on the table in any trade negotiation. including pharmaceuticals? including pharmaceutical. this is pure loch

ness monster, bermuda triangle stuff. i thought health care had to be part of the deal. i think the entire economy, all things will be on the table. which includes health care? labour will never, never use oui’ care? labour will never, never use our national health service as a bargaining chip in trade talks. we will never let donald trump get his hands on our nhs. i don't even know where that rumour came from. i have nothing to do with it. we wouldn't wa nt nothing to do with it. we wouldn't want it, if you handed it to us on a silver platter, we want nothing to do with it. let‘s talk now to conservative candidate huw merriman from our tunbridge wells studio. it's it‘s a question of whether people believe president trump. do you believe president trump. do you believe what he says about the nhs quest market doesn‘t really matter what president trump has to say, what president trump has to say, what is more important is what the prime minister said, but it‘s

already not on the table and he‘s already not on the table and he‘s already been clear and present trump seems to get that as well because he made the same point yesterday. seems to get that as well because he made the same point yesterdaylj made the same point yesterday.” just don‘t regard it as a story that i hear just don‘t regard it as a story that ihearon just don‘t regard it as a story that i hear on the doorstep, because i don‘t think people believe it and its typical scaremongering from the labour party. they‘ve done it before andi labour party. they‘ve done it before and i don‘t think it cuts through. you said it doesn‘t matter what president trump says, but it does matter what boris johnson president trump says, but it does matter what borisjohnson says. they believe everything borisjohnson says? i certainly believe it would be nonsensicalfor us to says? i certainly believe it would be nonsensical for us to allow the nhs, which has got great buying power and drives good deals across the globe in terms of drug pricing, to give any way to that. my question was, do you believe everything boris johnson says. i do believe everything he says. he is the leader of my party, so of course i do. but specific to this issue, the us spends 2.5 times more on its drugs than we do in the uk, so if we are going to increase spending on the nhs by 30%, we are hardly going to waste a tonne more expensive drug prices. so economic lay, it doesn‘t make any sense at all, and

politically, it doesn‘t either, which was why it has been ruled out. did you believe borisjohnson when he said the government was providing the biggest ever funding he said the government was providing the biggest everfunding increase for the nhs? well, it wasn'tjust borisjohnson who said that. the previous announced when we increase spending increases for 2023—2a that that would be its largest post—war investment in the nhs. not in real terms. did you believe him? that figure is correct, as i havejust stated. obviously, we have an ageing population, so there are different ways of marrying that up. well, hang ona minute, ways of marrying that up. well, hang on a minute, let‘s be clear, in real terms, according to the fact checking website full fax, it is lower than the increase between 200a and 2009. separately, the institute for fiscal studies called the claim misleading. iam for fiscal studies called the claim misleading. i am asking did you believe boris johnson misleading. i am asking did you believe borisjohnson when he said the government was providing the biggest everfunding the government was providing the biggest ever funding increase for the nhs? if you look at it in terms offunding, it the nhs? if you look at it in terms of funding, it is going up by 30%, a huge figure. with an ageing population... the claim was the

biggest everfunding population... the claim was the biggest ever funding increase. with a 30% increase, it absolutely is. make you are then slicing it in terms of, people then age longer, which is why we are putting so much money into it. but call it as you wish, it is a whole figure that is going on. it shows our commitment to the nhs. but it is not the biggest ever funding increase for the nhs. did you believe borisjohnson‘s promise of 50,000 new nurses, when it is actually 31,000, because almost 19,000 already work in the nhs? so you have brought in fact checking before. i was listening to radio four fact check that, and they said if you look at it in a net basis, look at the retention plus the increase, you get to 50,000. that was on bbc fact check yesterday in terms of, that is a reasonable point. but there is no guarantee you can persuade 19,000 nurses to stay in the nhs. indeed, and that will be the challenge, making sure we do get their attention. but if you have got more nurses alongside, then it takes the pressure off in terms of workload, plus we are also going to be giving everything on this

investment bond for their training, so investment bond for their training, so it means there should be more work satisfaction and progression stop in terms of recruiting the new nurses coming through, we are making it easier to recruit from abroad in terms of these are entry, so there will be an nhs visa which will make it easierfor will be an nhs visa which will make it easier for those with good standards of english and recognised standards of english and recognised standards of english and recognised standards of care to come over and working our system, which we badly need. those points are all really fair. it is just whether you believe those points are all really fair. it isjust whether you believe boris johnson‘s promise of 50,000 new nurses when it actually could be much less than that. again, it comes back to how you slice and dice this. no, it comes back to whether you are a able to retain the 90,000, which you have already said is the challenge. retain the 90,000, which you have already said is the challengem retain the 90,000, which you have already said is the challenge. it is indeed a challenge. so we can't say it is 50,000. if you add those two figures together, you get to the 50,000. of course you do, but you don‘t know if you can persuade 19,000 nurses to stay in the nhs! you can‘t guarantee 50,000 new nurses. which is why i have just spent some time explaining what we are going to do to make it a more

valued profession so people will stay. but of course, that will be the challenge. i wonder why you think uk officials in those meetings with us officials between 2017 and 2019 didn't with us officials between 2017 and 2019 didn‘t say, look, there‘s no point in talking about drug pricing at the nhs, because it‘s not going to happen. i have acted as a negotiator myself, and you tend to find out what the other side are interested in. you then go back and get your instructions from those with authority, which is what i used to do, and you then come back and start to make progress. so it is absolutely clear, the instructions are that the nhs is not on the table. the pharmaceutical deals for the nhs are not on the table, so when we start to get into the detail, that will be the case.” wonder what you think of this. the daily mirror has a story today about the us chamber of commerce document which makes it clear that american business very much expects the —— the nhs to be involved in future trade talks, suggesting britain mightfind it trade talks, suggesting britain might find it hard to resist us advances, really, once the uk has

left the eu. the quote is, concerns about potential impacts on britain‘s nhs are being aired. it should prove easier to overcome these challenges with a uk as an individual negotiator rather than a partner. that‘s for them to try and make any claim they want. the reality is, it‘s down to us whether we decide to accept any terms, and this one is completely non—negotiable. it would not work for us economically, as i havejust explained. i would for us economically, as i havejust explained. iwould be for us economically, as i havejust explained. i would be loath the money we are putting into the nhs on increased prices on drugs? would be the kind of economic incompetence thatis the kind of economic incompetence that is more associated with labour governments. but politically, it is not acceptable. it is not acceptable to the public because they want the nhs to continue as is, free at the point of use, efficient, not overpaying. do you accept if we maintain that stands, if the british government, whoever it may be, maintains that sta nce whoever it may be, maintains that stance regarding the nhs, we would

have to compromise somewhere else, potentially on climate change on food safety? no, i don‘t accept that, because we have made it quite clear that our labelling process will remain as stringent as it is. so remember, these will be tough negotiations, but they are no different, really, to the eu uk trade deal, which has taken to the eu uk trade deal, which has ta ke n yea rs to the eu uk trade deal, which has taken years not to arrive, and i would say the nhs is particular to the uk. it is not a system you see across europe. so therefore, we are more likely to guarantee it being on oui’ more likely to guarantee it being on our own, striking a trade deal, then we would be as part of 28 countries who would maybe not have the same interest in same system. so i think we should be more confident we can negotiate well for the nhs, the cut —— because it isjust negotiate well for the nhs, the cut —— because it is just down to negotiate well for the nhs, the cut —— because it isjust down to uk interest now, rather than eu ones. so with your experience as a negotiator, are you saying the uk will not have to compromise anywhere when it comes to striking a free trade deal with the uk? iam trade deal with the uk? i am saying there are certain principles for us which are absolute and non—negotiable. you mention food labelling and standards, which are

particularly important. at the nhs is absolutely sacrosanct, and the thing to bear in mind is that, in its 70 years of existence, a0 years have been under conservative government, so the reason i don‘t think this is getting through to the public is a concern is because they can view us and our record and we have always had it as free to use and a primary concern to make sure the nhs is there for everyone when they need it. final thought. you could have put in your manifesto for the selection that the conservatives would introduce an nhs protection bill, like the snp have done. that might reassure people who doubt boris johnson. would you support that idea? actually, you could look at it the other way. why would you need to do that when we have already ruled it out? you don‘t legislate for things that you have already ruled out. you legislate for things that we are going to do, and the prime minister has made it quite clear the nhs is not on the table. therefore, we don‘t need the legislation, which is need to crack on for the other things we will legislate for, such as social care reform, which will really help the nhs, and certainly

not a four—day week. that would cost the nhs an absolute fortune. so labour has got some questions to a nswer labour has got some questions to answer when it comes to running the nhs. i wish we had more time, because i would like to talk about social care reform. as you know, there is no plan in your manifesto for social ca re plan in your manifesto for social care reform, just an aspiration you would like to do it at some point. but we have run out of time. but i am grateful. thank you so much. hugh merriman, conservative candidate. we will show you these pictures now. us first lady mullaney trump visiting a salvation army centre in clapham in east london this morning. —— melania trump. you can see her talking to volunteers. everyone looking very christmassy and festive. next...

this miss world contestant who had her title removed because she is a mum is launching a discrimination claim against the beauty pageant becasue she says it‘s ‘sexist and outdated‘. veronika didusenko was crowned miss ukraine back in 2018, but four days later she was disqualified, stripped of her title and prize money when organisers found out she had a five—year—old son. the rules state you can‘t take part if you have children or are married. last year the boss of miss world, julia morley, told gmb about the no kids rule. when you are trying to get a worldwide organisation to agree, you have to look to everyone, and they vote as to what is acceptable. now, whatever i feel or whatever you‘re feels is one thing. what the rest of the world may feel when they‘ve got to look at their various religions, various things, if you can understand that we don‘tjust have our own feelings, we have to consider others, so what we try to do is get a balance. that‘s why next

year we have 1a0 nations coming together. it doesn‘t mean that we don‘t feel that miss ukraine is right. i do feel sorry for her, but if you look at the whole picture, you see that around the world, we are gradually getting every woman in who is able to put her views across. i have been speaking to veronika didusenko, and her solicitor. i asked veronika, now an ex miss ukraine, if she knew the rules before she entered. idid not before she entered. i did not know the rules before i started to complete the application form, and then i could not understand, if i wanted to be a professional model, why i could not bea professional model, why i could not be a representative of my country with miss well. so those rules do not make any sense to me at this time. so you carried on filling so you in the application form and entered? you won the title of miss ukraine,

but you knew when you fold it in and sent it off, actually, you are a month and were not supposed to enter? yes. and the problem is that those rules exist in the 21st century, which are a disco military practice. —— a discriminatory practice. —— a discriminatory practice. miss world made them 70 yea rs practice. miss world made them 70 years ago when racial segregation was still normal. there is no place for them nowadays when mums can successfully balance their careers and parenthood. what was your reaction when you win the title, and then when it was stripped from you a few days later along with the prize money? i felt shocked, few days later along with the prize money? ifelt shocked, because i1. —— i won‘t. i entered the competition to develop my charity work, around my group which aims to develop the talents of orphans. i have a medical degree and background, so that has been my

plan. miss world was a great platform for me to develop my charity cause. i did not really intend to win, and when it happened, i was shocked. and when i was disqualified, i was twice more shocked. and then, ifelt disqualified, i was twice more shocked. and then, i felt very insulted and humiliated. after, i felt getting —— i started getting hundreds of messages from a social media, supporting me, cheering me up, and lots of women all around the world wrote me thank you notes, standing for women‘s rights and saying that i can be a role model for women. so you can have children and you can successfully develop a career. what did they say to you when they disqualified you? they said, you are not fit for miss world, because you have a son. they said, you cannot enter, which is absolutely ridiculous rules, and they just cannot exist absolutely ridiculous rules, and theyjust cannot exist in nowadays, in... today. this is what the

director of miss england said in 201a about contestants not being able to enter who were mums. she is called angie beasley, and said, it would be tough for winners to split their attention between the role and being a mum. it is both unfair on the child and herfamily being a mum. it is both unfair on the child and her family to take the mother away from home for a year while she travels the globe, helping charity causes for children. exactly, but society says the same about —— which society says the same about —— which society says the same about a successful lawyer, or banker, a female actor or athlete? did they say she cannot appear in movies because she is a mother, or to serena williams that she cannot play tennis any more because she is among? it is so ridiculous. it is up to women to for childcare, and what is more, women to women to for childcare, and what is more, women are to women to for childcare, and what is more, women are not solely responsible for childcare, so there are fathers and there are partners, so the child is the responsibility of both parents. let me bring in your lawyer, shirin

marker. do you think this is discrimination against mums? yes, this is discrimination. under the equalities act, you can't treat somebody less favourably on the basis of their paternity status, and thatis basis of their paternity status, and that is exactly what is happening in this case. veronika has been stripped of her title, and it has had an impact on her professional life, and the reason that they have given is that she has a child. that isa given is that she has a child. that is a clear case of discrimination. although veronika freely admitted earlier she knew it was against the rules and applied anyway?” earlier she knew it was against the rules and applied anyway? i think it is important to remember that these rules were created in the 1950s, almost 70 years ago. i think it is important that miss world as a global beauty pageant which enjoys global beauty pageant which enjoys global popularity should be encouraged to try and attempt to reflect what the situation is for

women nowadays, and what society is, and how society is for women nowadays. veronika, there are plenty who would say miss world should be scrapped altogether, because beauty pageants,., in the 21st—century, are absolutely absurd. i would say that inclusive beauty pageants can be empowering for women, can help to break gender stereotypes and create opportunities. in what way? for example, miss universe great britain last year, it was a recognition of beauty, and a celebration of black women who could enter a competition and when. when angela ponce delay on one miss spain universe last year, it was also a victory against trans phobia. so i think it can be very empowering, a good platform to develop your charity cause, and to create professional opportunities.

for example, many entries, oprah winfrey, britney spears, they took pa rt winfrey, britney spears, they took part in those at the beginning of their careers. so your legal action, what do you hope it will achieve? of course, to change rules and make them inclusive for everyone, all of the women, to celebrate all of the beauty equally. and how old is your son now? he is five. and what does alex think about what you are doing? he is happy when mummy is happy! so i am developing two charity projects. one is my campaign against miss world rules, and the other is for young people and the other is for young people and science. he knows mum does a lot of charity and he supports me. and your legal action really is nothing to do with miss world, it is to do with the miss ukraine pageant, they say. what do you say to that? no, definitely not. they own the franchise. the head office of miss world is located in london, and as

my lawyer says, they acted against the uk equality act 2010. thank you both very much for talking to us, and we will follow your legal action. thank you. thank you so much. thank you. mark texts this. miss world, shallow, never! isupport mark texts this. miss world, shallow, never! i support veronica, because she has opened up the discussion and possibly made it possible for the future. another reviewer says, it is beside the point. she effectively lied on the point. she effectively lied on the application form. why did she not understand this? jain says, helen morgan when in 197a and resigned because she was a single man, something that she never hid from the miss world organisers. and shannon says, it is ridiculous to connect a woman‘s worth to her virginal status, which is essentially what the competition are doing via their gnome with this rule. it is a young woman less beautiful are accomplished because she has given birth? no. she is demonstrably more beautiful and accomplished and she has ever been.

miss world is an archaic competition that should be scrapped. thank you for those. i also got more m essa 9 es thank you for those. i also got more messages about the nhs, which i will try to read before the end. many working—class men are suffering in silence when it comes to their mental health — that‘s according to a new report out today. it found that men from less well—off backgrounds were less willing to discuss, seek support or engage in treatment for mental health issues when compared to other groups. the survey of a,000 adults found that 28% of men from working—class backgrounds have suffered from the symptoms of a mental health issue in the last 12 months, but decided not to seek treatment. we can speak now to adam barton, who‘s 29, and mark galliford, a7, both of whom have had serious issues with their mental health. john lambert is also here, who runs the men‘s shed — an organisation that supports men who are struggling with their mental health. gentlemen, thank you very much for coming on the programme. really good to have you here. mark, in the last three years, you have felt like you we re three years, you have felt like you

were a waste of space. yes. why are? just through work and personal things that got me down. i nearly lost my wife when she went in for an operation a few years ago. i had to ta ke operation a few years ago. i had to take time off because the mental pressure of trying to look after a young child, work full time, and look after my wife, i just stepped back from work, and i was off. went back from work, and i was off. went back when she got better, and things went a bit south. at work, and i just felt a bit useless again, and i felt like i had let my family down, andi felt like i had let my family down, and i started going back down again. and that‘s the way... unfortunately, i would say i hit rock bottom, but now i am on my way back up, and i have got to pull forward for myself and everybody else, so maybe it will help, the things i have been through and the experiences i have had, and direct them if i can towards people

who can help, and things that i have found to help me as i am going along. i don‘t underestimate, by the way, how difficult and nerve—racking it is to come on national tv and talk about things like this, particularly when these sort of story today is that people like yourself, men like yourself, are speaking out. so thank you. —— aren‘t speaking out. adam, what about your mental health issues? so micro it started about three years ago, all with work, because i was working on night shifts. so my sleeping pattern was all over the place, my eating pattern was pretty much nonexistent. ididn't pattern was pretty much nonexistent. i didn't really understand depression at that point. until, obviously, i tried to take my own life two or three times, and that's when i kind of realised i had a problem, and i started to research what depression actually was. and

still to this day, i suffer from depression, but i am at a place and a stage in life now where i can openly talk about it to literally anybody, and i always do try to help people with mental health, especially men, because like i said, it is harder for men to kind of open up. we will explore that. i want to ask you which you describe yourself as working class, mark? yes. adam, would you? yes. do you think there isa would you? yes. do you think there is a connection between describing yourself as working class or not seeing or speaking out about mental health problems? yes, i think it is because of the stigma of, you are a man, shut up and get on with it, just get on with it, stop being a crybaby just get on with it, stop being a cryba by and things just get on with it, stop being a crybaby and things like that. just get on. and don‘t... not salt, but

don‘t speak out. but you have got to speak out, the ways you do go down. —— not salt, but don‘t speak out. speak out, the ways you do go down. -- not salt, but don't speak out. do you think there is a link? yeah, i think, like you said, it is all with people telling you to man up, and thatjust makes people telling you to man up, and that just makes you feel little and small, basically, and men do tend to kind of bottle up their emotions purely because of people telling them to man up orjust get on with it, and simply with mental health, you can'tjust it, and simply with mental health, you can't just leave it, and simply with mental health, you can'tjust leave it it, and simply with mental health, you can't just leave it at the it, and simply with mental health, you can'tjust leave it at the door atajob, or you can'tjust leave it at the door at a job, or you can'tjust get on with your day, because it does affect you in every single way. mark, you said you hit rock bottom. what did that mean? the same as adam, i tried to take my own life a couple of times. fortunately, someone couple of times. fortunately, someone like me upstairs, as i say, someone like me upstairs, as i say, soiam someone like me upstairs, as i say, so i am still here now, sort of

thing. but you have got to realise, when you possibly think of them dark times, it is a knock—on effect of what might happen to your own family and a knock—on effect of everybody else who is involved, in which every possible way that you think they may be doing it. there is a knock—on effect for everybody, be it family or people who are nearby where that may happen. were you thinking, and you put this in your own terms, of course, but were you thinking, my family would be better off without me? oh, yeah. you do, you do. you do feel like that. you feel that even after a long time of being married or having a child, that you are worthless. and the only way is, they are better off, and things like that. and that‘s what... itjust comes to you, and i don‘t know how or why, itjust does. and then, like adam says, you realise when it gets

to that point that you have got to seek help. it is only because of what my sister said to me, because i spoke about it before, that she would be annoyed with me if i did it, because she would lose a brother and my niece would loose her uncle. and like i say, that is a knock—on effect, and that‘s what made me come back, and seek help, and through other agencies, counselling and through demand‘s shed withjohn, that‘s what i‘m still doing now. it has been a long road. i am still on it. hopefully i will be offered soon, sort of thing, but there is no timescale on something like this. you just have to keep going the best you can, and you are positive, and move forward, don‘t go back and dwell. and thank god you did come back from that place. john, let me bring you in. tell our audience about men‘s shed. bring you in. tell our audience about men's shed. it is a place for men to come and just be amongst other men. we have a wide variety of

men with various injuries, some with non—. some are full—time carers with their wives or partners. mark, for instance, when i first met him, i wasjust instance, when i first met him, i was just literally opening the door to go in, and what i can only describe as a lost child was standing in the street. i knew straightaway there was something wrong. so we got him in, and, i mean, adam said to me earlier on, it is about having a place where people will listen to what you have got to say. it is not about saying, you need to do this or that. come and do this. they will listen to your issues and what you have going on. so there are two parts of our shed. one part is a lounge area where they can drink tea, play cards or dominoes, watch television, what you everyday! realised what you said then! otherwise, they can go into then! otherwise, they can go into the workshop. we have a large workshop where they can work on

timber. where you, mark, have crafted me this beautiful... where is camera four? this beautiful pen made from... you tell our audience. you made it on a local wood. a wooden lathe, yeah, basically, a pair of square word, 55 millilitre blocks off, using a seven millimetres drill bit to bore through the holes, to get in your ink cartridge. when you put ina get in your ink cartridge. when you put in a brass inner, and then put it all together. well, thank you. it isa it all together. well, thank you. it is a one off. like i say, they won‘t be any re—made like that. is a one off. like i say, they won‘t be any re-made like that. is this unique? yeah. thank you. john, i just want to ask you, if there are men watching right now, and i can guarantee there will be, who know that mental health is really important to our programme, because we know it is really important to our audience. and they feel that for whatever reason, they cannot go to theirgp or whatever reason, they cannot go to their gp or tell someone, what would

you say to them? there are plenty of other agencies around. you can look them up online. with regard to men's sheds, the association has a website, and you canjust go in there and put in your postcode, and it will tell you where your nearest one is. why should they do that? not just about men‘s shed, but generally. oh! white? because talking and listening is the only way out of it. as adam said before, if you take the drugs, itjust numbs it. coming out of it, building on it, is about exploring how you feel, as somebody else feels, having that connection between you and somebody else, and oh, you have got that! i am not unique, i am else, and oh, you have got that! i am not unique, lam not else, and oh, you have got that! i am not unique, i am not as a defective. it isjust something that happens. before i finish,... i have to be quick! that is the music. mark is now teaching other people had to come out of it, having turned his life around. an absolute privilege to meet you. thank you so much for

coming in the programme. well done, john. thank you very much. back tomorrow, bbc news live is next. a very good day. see you at any. —— see you attend. good mist and fog around this morning, and you can see that is lifting up into low cloud. more significant cloud for the north and west, and without cumbersome outbreaks of rain, gradually making its way south and east, and by this afternoon, it will clear through much of scotland and northern ireland. there will be followed on by fairly blustery showers. centring i‘m continuing across many parts of england and wales, cloud increasing in north—western areas. a bit of rain moving in here. temperature is generally about 7—9 today. throughout the night, a band of cloud moving its way southward, simply spells the, further showers moving into north—western areas.

more significant rain waiting the winds. temperatures perhaps low enough for a touch of frost and eastern england. otherwise, temperatures above freezing, but through thursday, heavy rain expected across northern ireland in western scotland. further south and east, it should be more dry brighter. goodbye. this is bbc news. i‘m ben brown, in hertfordshire — where world leaders have begun talks at nato‘s 70th anniversary summit. standing together — borisjohnson says britain‘s commitment to nato remains ‘rock solid‘, urging unity amid concerns of divisions.

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