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now the labour government rejected the idea 20 years ago as too expensive but is their plan affordable now as the population ages? unlike the other two parties, the liberal democrats want to combine health and social care spending. they will add one penny in the pound extra on income tax to be ring fenced for the nhs and social care, that is around £7 billion a year. long term, the liberal democrats want a dedicated health and care tax, but a problem would arise if there was an economic downturn, which means we pay less tax. so would they have to cut health and social care spending or would they have to find the money from elsewhere? well, these promises relate to england only, as health care is devolved. and you can find more about all the parties‘ policies at bbc.co.uk/news where our policy guide shows all of the parties‘ manifestos.
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a reality check on nhs and social care. now it's time for a look at the weather. a brief respite for some of us? this isa a brief respite for some of us? this is a quite before the storm. we have reasonable weather around at the moment and the best across england and wales. a few breaks in the cloud and wales. a few breaks in the cloud and some sunshine coming through for some of us and cloudier northern ireland and there are a few showers for the north west of england and wales and scotland is turning increasingly soggy with heavy outbreaks of rain and strengthening winds pushing north eastwards across the country. as you go through the night we will see that band of rain extending across all parts of the uk and the rain will be heavy on the wind is quite squally and gusty for the time overnight and you might notice that and as a rain band clears through we are looking at these squally showers following to these squally showers following to the north and west. looking at the forecast tomorrow, it will be windy everywhere in the day of sunshine and showers although the showers will tend to merge together to give
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longer spells of rain in northern ireland and scotland with colder air feeding in as well. it is the strength of the winds cologne that really centre stage and this is storm atiyah, bringing gusts of 80 mph across western ireland and the squeeze works into the coast of wales and south—west england through sunday night with gusts reaching 70 mph and even stronger than that. with when that strong it might lead to localised damage and disruption. —— with wind that strong. hello. this is bbc news with shaun ley. the headlines... the online forum reddit says it believes leaked government documents detailing uk—us trade talks and posted on its site are linked to russia. in a rare move, a chinese—american researcher convicted of spying in iran has been freed in an apparent prisoner exchange. 0ceans are running out of oxygen as global temperatures rise putting many species of fish at risk of extinction.
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warnings that a mega bushfire near sydney that's burning out of control could take weeks to put out. the billionaire businessman elon musk is cleared of defaming a british cave explorer after calling him "pedo guy" on social media. now on bbc news... for almost three decades, one word has stood between two nations — macedonia. a subject of a bitter dispute between greece and the now renamed republic of north macedonia. and a warning — this programme does include some scenes of violence. for three decades, greece has been locked in a dispute with its neighbour over the name "macedonia". last year a breakthrough came. greece agreed to recognise its neighbour, and the neighbour agreed to change its name to north macedonia, but the deal, known as the prespa agreement, has been fiercely resisted on both sides of the border.
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for me, as a greek, this dispute is an important part of modern greek identity. it feels like i never really knew the degree to which this country was divided. and for me, as an australian with macedonian roots, the dispute is central to unlocking my complicated family history. i feel really sad that the family separated. a year on from the prespa agreement, we are travelling from greece... what are you doing about the prespa agreement? ..to north macedonia, to see for ourselves how well this deal is working. can the prespa agreement finally solve the fierce rivalries that have existed in this region for so long or will the issue of a name continue to plague both countries‘ future? athens in the heat of the summer is neither the time nor the place
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for any hasty decisions. but, in the birthplace of democracy, political intrigue is never far away. today is election day and among the big issues, is the prespa agreement. earlier this year, there were violent demonstrations here against the name deal. surrendering the name of the ancient greek province of macedonia was too much to bear. prime minister tsipras‘ goodwill trip to greece's northern neighbour, in april, was the final straw for many greeks. to understand why, you need to know that you cannot escape the way of history here.
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growing up in athens, i was constantly surrounded by greece's glorious past, especially as my dad is an amateur archaeologist. and this is the latest reminder. this statute goes to the heart of the long—running naming dispute, the legacy of perhaps the most famous soldier in history. alexander the great came from an unfashionable province in ancient greece called macedonia, but the name "macedonia", the statue seems to be saying, will always belong to greece. it was only in 1913 that a border was created, separating the greek province of macedonia, and the territory to the north. in 1991, as yugoslavia tore itself apart, this northern territory
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decided to call itself the republic of macedonia. greece never recognised that name. almost 30 years later, time is up for prime minister tsipras and his syriza party. a new leader is arriving for his coronation. kyriakos mitsotakis had made no secret of his opposition to the prespa agreement, but now he will be in charge of implementing it. just outside athens lies the port of piraeus. it has been central to greece's prosperity for centuries and it was here my grandparents boarded a ship for a new life
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in australia. their slavic names had been changed to greek ones and, although they left as a greek citizens, they took with them a very separate macedonian culture. i want to get to the bottom of their story and fill in the gaps of my own identity. to really understand this issue, we've had to leave athens and head north. courtney and i grew up with different sides of the story. thassaloniki, greece's second city, is a capital of the greek province of macedonia. for many proud greeks, here, the use of the name "macedonia" for anything not within the greek state was a travesty that many still resist today. michalis patsikas, an olive farmer, is one such greek. welcome.
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michalis felt so strongly about the name that last year he began to organise resistance to the proposed change. for michalis, the prespa agreement presents a fundamental problem.
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it is notjust history or land the greeks feel is under threat. many businesses are worried about competition from north macedonia. simeon diamanditis manufactures nets. he is concerned that consumers will be confused by products from north macedonia that are simply labelled macedonian. the problem is that their products are half prize because the salaries in greece are much more than in north macedonia. it needs three goals — that the products from north macedonia must have the name "products from north macedonia", they do not put this in the agreement so we have this problem today.
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his solution is to develop a greek brand from macedonia that only greek macedonian products will carry. the "great" is great alexander and "land" is land of macedonia. so it means greece. the day we were in town, the prime minister was visiting the ministry for macedonia and thrace. despite his fiery words on prespa in opposition, kyriakos mitsotakis has done little in power to reverse the agreement. the reason for this may be in his blood. his father was also prime minister and, despite opposition, he allowed the neighbouring country to be called the former yugoslav republic of macedonia. prime minister, what are you doing about the prespa agreement? we can talk later if you want. although i tried to press him on the agreement, he was unwilling to talk but, later that night, once again he made his feelings clear.
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although the prespa agreement was not signed by him and he may dislike the concession of the name, he will be bound by it. in any case, it suits the geopolitics. greece is surrounded by potential threats. to the north of the country lies the historically turbulent balkans which have never be known for peace and stability. bringing north macedonia inside the eu tent was supposed to address this but recently the country's european aspirations were derailed.
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in their attempt to project an image of a great, classical european capital, this centre of skopje has been completely rebuild in recent years, but the renovation infuriated greece, who felt it macedonian history was being stolen. the centrepiece was of this statue, bearing an uncanny resemblance to alexander the great although officially it is known, as warrior on a horse. amidst all this nationalism, a new prime minister was elected. after two decades of greece blocking his country's eu membership, zoran zaev put his political career on the line with the prespa agreement. but the rebuff from brussels means he too may lose hisjob. do you feel you have paid the price
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for solving a problem that everyone wanted to see solved? it is a kind of punishment. we take responsibility and we change our constitution through the debate of 120 days, with a total majority because of changing our constitutional name. a very painful process. the country was bitterly divided over the name change. when a referendum on the issue was held last year, two—thirds of the country boycotted the vote. in order to change the constitution, nine opposition mps had to side with zaev. the bitter feeling is when you saw how the mp5 were attacked. all mps who voted for the prespa agreement and changing of constitution. nine of them who changed even political side to support the future of our country and really they are until today under threat. when president macron
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announced his decision, leader of the opposition started immediately with threats. and threats here carry consequences. two years ago a mob stormed the parliament building, protesting the election of a new speaker. zaev himself was badly injured that day. the leading opposition party, the vmro, is a conservative, highly nationalist movement, responsible for skopje's recent facelift. nikola macevski is one of their leading mps and was strongly opposed to the prespa agreement.
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you say that north macedonia has reaped all the disadvantages of this deal, but within greece there is also a lot of resentment towards it. having north macedonia within the eu and nato was designed to shore up the troubled area of the balkans. zaev is clearly worried about the consequences if the eu doesn't open its doors. the balkans, that was not 100 years ago, there was war. in our country, 2001, conflict between albanians and macedonians. what has happened in kosovo and croatia and bosnia, everywhere in the balkans? we remember this period of time.
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there is a lot of feelings. there is a lot of victims from these wars here, with a lot of sensitivity. we need to take care about that. but others also need to take care, like european union and leaders. for many younger citizens, like blaznen, being inside the eu is much more important than the country's name. this dispute has been going on for 30 years, pretty much your whole life. what was the impact of this? i think people, especially young people, were kind of getting bored with this topic, constantly being asked what the name issue is, how will you resolve this, what are the possibilities. i think we all feel quite european. we want to live with open borders and have movement of young people and learn from each other what the other culture is. the young in north macedonia have already shown an appetite for dissent, pelting buildings with colour bombs
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to protest against corruption. but blaznen fears that with the eu decision, the young will vote with their feet. we live in the 21st century. everything is one click away. and i think young people feel that they deserve better and they can do better in other countries. so that is why they leave. north macedonia is caught in limbo. having changed its name, the country will be hoping to have more to show for it when eu leaders meet next year. back on the greek side of the border, there is a group of villages where the definition of macedonian is even more complicated. many of the older generation here grew up speaking what is now known as macedonian, a slavic language that was later banned. their language may be closer
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to skopje than athens, but they didn't feel an affinity for one or the other. to them, they were simply macedonian. it is here that my family roots lie and i have come to meet my grandmother's sister, who i call ristana, who is my oldest surviving relative in this part of the world. good morning! i feel really emotional, actually, because it reminds me of my mum, and she lost her mum and her sister. i feel really sad that, that, um... i never got to meet my mum's mum. ristana grew up speaking the slavic language, but after marrying a greek man she rarely spoke it. and there could be other reasons.
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when she was at school, slavic—speaking children in the village were beaten if they strayed into their mother tongue. life here has been hard. the village was occupied by the nazis and the ensuing greek civil war pitted families against one another. what was it like in the village growing 7 eventually, my grandparents left
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this land in search of opportunities abroad. they settled in western australia, but maintained a strong sense of their macedonian identity. my mum grew up speaking the macedonian language, and when i came along the language and the culture was passed on to another generation. for those who stayed in the village, like ristana, identity has shifted over time and she now firmly considers herself greek. back in thessaloniki, it is 0hi day,
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greece's national day. in the greek macedonian capital, there is also a protest about the prespa agreement. the protesters‘ message is short and familiar. macedonia is greek only. here it says that silence is complicity in the north macedonian plan. yeah, they say the agreement is an embarrassment. in the midst of the protest is the olive farmer we met at the start of the journey. he tells us the protest will try to march towards the official 0hi day parade.
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as expected, the police are not prepared to let greece's national day be hijacked by the macedonian protest. this is democracy! this is democracy in greece! a compromise is reached. the protesters are allowed to take a position by the side of the main parade. one year on, here in thessaloniki, the wounds from the name deal still feel particularly fresh. it feels like i never really knew the degree to which this country was divided until right this minute. you can see this intense
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nationalism up here, while in athens there are people who feel this way, sure, but this kind of big display isn't really as widespread. 0hi day, literally "no day", marks greece's refusal to bow to mussolini in 1940. across the country, there are parades. a chance to revel in national pride and to embrace your greek identity.
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although 0hi day is a commemoration of the past, it is also a celebration of the present. and there is clearly more appetite for this than for the anti—prespa protest. in greece and north macedonia, the prespa agreement tried to solve a thorny issue that goes to the heart of identity. a name. history is always central to national identity. but when a country's future is uncertain, it is easy to understand why people turn to the past. for my family, there
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was always a sense their macedonian identity was not acknowledged, making them hold onto it more tightly. the same is true of almost everyone we met. they worry that by conceding to others, they will lose part of themselves. at this time of global uncertainty, the question of national identity seems more urgent than ever. in the case of the name macedonia, compromise will always come at a cost. hello. we have had mixed weather fortu nes hello. we have had mixed weather fortunes today across the country. for england and wales, though there
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was cloud, we saw sunny spells, beautiful autumn colours in this picture. it was not so pretty further north, low cloud in stirling, outbreaks of rain as well. the weather has been going downhill in scotland but our focus at the moment is on what is going on in the north atlantic, where this area of cloud is too low pressure systems. these number to my combine to make storm atiyah, and it is the squeeze on the isobars on the southern portion of this low pressure that will bring strong winds to the west of ireland and towards the west of england and wales to sunday night as well. before we get there, it will be windy tonight across the uk as rain pushes east. the rain will be heavy and the winds will be gusty as well. we will see plenty of squally showers make. temperatures will be mild. tomorrow, it will be much
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windier. we are looking for a day of sunshine and showers, but through the day the showers will merge together to give longer spells of rain in northern ireland and scotla nd rain in northern ireland and scotland and as that happens we will get colder air are arriving as well so get colder air are arriving as well so colder than today, around in belfast, 8 degrees in newcastle, double figures for the south but then come the strong winds. the pension the isobars will work towards the west of wales and england. we could have gusts of 70 mph and winds that stronger capable of bringing down tree branches so there is a risk of transport disruption as we head through sunday night and into monday as well. on monday, the weather charge look like this, the low pressure system goes to europe, look at where the isobars are coming from, polar regions. dry weather across inland areas with
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sunshine but lots of showers across northern areas of scotland and lots of showers over the north sea to affect england as well. temperatures around 70 —— temperatures around 7 degrees foremost on the thermometer, but with the winds, it will feel very bitter. we will keep a close eye on storm atiyah and the strong winds we are expecting across western areas.
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this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines at 3pm... the online forum reddit says it believes leaked government documents detailing uk—us trade talks and posted on its site are linked to russia. the really big question is how did those leaks get there in the first place? how did they end up online, being amplified by what reddit says is part of a known foreign influence operation? 0ceans are running out of oxygen — warn scientists — as global temperature rises put many species of fish at risk of extinction. fears that a mega bushfire near sydney that's burning out of control could take weeks to put out. in a rare move, a chinese—american researcher convicted of spying in iran has been freed in an apparent prisoner exchange. the billionaire businessman elon musk is cleared of defaming a british cave explorer after calling him "pedo

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