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police in delhi have arrested the owner and manager of a factory which caught fire on saturday night. at least 43 people were killed in the blaze. a local fire chief told the bbc the building was illegally used as a factory. the us defence secretary has ordered a review of screening procedures for all foreign personnel training at bases in america after a saudi officer shot three sailors in florida on friday. the fbi is treating the attack as an act of terrorism. firefighters in australia are trying to contain more than 140 fires before very hot and windy conditions return to fan the flames in the next few days. bushfires have killed six people and destroyed more than 700 homes since october. those are the headlines on bbc world news. more now on the general election.
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success on thursday will depend heavily on how well the parties perform in marginal seats. warrington south in cheshire is one of them. it voted to leave in the eu referendum, and in 2017, labour took it from the conservatives with a majority ofjust over 2,500. bbc north west's political editor nina warhurst reports. things seem to be moving in the right direction here. unemployment‘s low, wages above average, the number of businesses has almost doubled in a decade. in warrington, you can still feel the legacy of the industrial revolution. surrounding hamlets have become honeypots for the metropolitan overspill of liverpool and manchester. this is stockton heath, and this changing environment is the onejen‘s grown up in, and she recently joined the labour party because she doesn't think success here is being shared, and she blames the government.
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there's food banks in warrington, like, yeah, ijust think that we we need to do more — more for more people. we are one of the richest countries in the world, and why are people struggling so much in this country? steel. some of this will become the spines of schools and hospitals, parts of multimillion—pound projects, which martin says the state doesn't always manage well. the way they spend the money is very good for the construction industry and i can make a lot of money out of it, but i don't agree with it. you think there's too much waste? i know there is. you know, what's really interesting here is that, more than anywhere elsewhere where i've been since this election was called is that no two people are the same. everybody seems to be worrying about something different. and many of them are yet to make up their mind on who'll get their vote. four miles north is dallam, a different world to stockton heath. here, carol says she's struggling on universal credit.
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what she wants is more investment in her community. more things for youths to do of an evening, weekends, holidays. because we can't afford to send them to clubs, it's far too expensive, so, if it was government funded, it would be a lot easier, especially for the parents that work. do you feel politicians care about you, care about your family? no, ha—ha! no. heading south into the cheshire hills, this is lymm, where debate is centred around the political issue of our time. i think it's a pickle, if i'm completely honest with you. i voted to remain in the eu, but i think that boris, for me, is a good candidate, i think he's right for britain, but i'm not sure that brexit is completely right for britain. and can you ever rememberfeeling this conflicted before ahead of an election? never before, never felt anywhere near this conflicted. for their businesses orfor theirfamilies? with their hearts or with their heads?
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the way warrington south votes will keep us guessing until friday 13th. nina warhurst, bbc news, warrington. now on bbc news, talking movies with tom brook. great to see you. i didn't know it was such a big thing, i thought i was just meeting you personally. oh, really? hello from mumbai. i'm tom brook. for a special 20th anniversary edition of talking movies, i came to india to interview top bollywood superstar shah rukh khan. we're here outside his home where fans congregate at all hours of the day. he is the king of bollywood followed by millions. he's my hero. i just simply love him. how big a legend is shah rukh khan? oh, i can't explain this.
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it's beyond imagination. right now, i've got goosebumps. so nice to see you. i greeted him as he arrived at a special mumbai event to mark the 20th anniversary of talking movies. this 54—year—old megastar seemed delighted to be there. i have to confess i am biased when it comes to shah rukh khan — i am a fan myself, and i've interviewed him several times before. visiting bollywood this time, he was the one i wanted to talk to about the changes taking place in the indian film industry, and to ask him where he's heading next with his career. shah rukh khan's first bollywood film was the action romance drama deewana in 1992. but he became known for playing antiheroes, villainous characters — the first role of that ilk
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was in baazigar in 1993. yet it's for his work in a series of romantic films for which he is best known. born a muslim and married to a hindu, he has become a unifying figure in india at a time when there are few. and he has won 1a filmfare awards, the hindi film industry's equivalent of the oscars. 0ur invited audience, made up of loyal shah rukh khan fans, were eager to hear what he had to say. all right, well, now for the moment that everyone has been waiting for. we have a great guest of honour here tonight, who i'm going to interview. cheering and applause you sit here. thank you very much. on behalf of talking movies, a very big welcome, especially on the occasion
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of our 20th anniversary, it really means a lot to have you here and to be able to talk to you. tell me, did you always want to be an actor? ok, so i...first i want to say thank you tom for having me here this evening, and ifully respect the wonderfulness of talking movies that you've created, bbc, but i came here only to see you. honestly, i truly hold him singlehandedly responsible for making indian movies, and indian stars, men and women alike, extremely important in the western world. so thank you for having me over, and thank you for such a wonderful hello. when you ask about, did i always want to be an actor? i don't know, it's like i want to know, did you always want to be an anchor? did you want to always interview movie stars and look after movies? or did it just happen, if i may ask you? well, i had very peculiar interests as a child,
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and the things i wanted to do were quite odd. i wanted to be a telecommunications expert. i want to be an airline pilot and a psychotherapist. but i think it's best that i ended up doing journalism for everyone's sake. same as me, i wanted to be an astronaut, an army officer, a scientist and an economist. and itjust rolled into the amazingly intellectual actor that i've become. laughter and applause you definitely made the right choice. let me ask you a little bit about your early career. was there one role that you felt really defined you as an actor early on, and gave you recognition? when you start off, one of the main roles, i don't know, at least during my time, it was to play a madman, play a guy who is a little crazy, and you always think as an actor, "that is the thing i'm going to do." you all want to bejoker from batman, you want to be
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jack nicholson from the shining, yeah, you want to be mr prem chopra, from a lot of the films, or gabbar singh at least. so there were these moments that you had. i was told that when ijoined the film industry and met people here, i won't name the wonderful director, right down the road, but he called me once and made me sit down, and said very honestly, and i love him for that, i worked with him later and respect him a lot, he is a good friend even now, despite what he told me then! he looked at me and said, "the greatest asset you have as an actor is that you are ugly, and i can put you in any role." that's not true. he didn't know better at that time, but there is no accounting for taste! he looked at me and said, "you are so different looking," i guess that's what he meant, it came out a little wrong, and he said, "i can put you in any role, and that is the greatest asset you have." i did not think of myself as someone who could be a typical hindi movie star, so i somehow got in tune with, you know, i should play some bad guys, maybe then i will accepted.
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—— i'll be accepted. and because i was from theatre, to me, the difference between the protagonists is really, you are playing one of the main parts, so to say, and i lived by this belief, there are no small roles, only small actors. and genuinely so because of theatre, i did not want to be the hero, i didn't want to romance a girl, i didn't want to be doing the typical films. in terms of inspiration, were there particular actors that really made an impact on you when you were an up—and—coming actor yourself? lots of them, lots of them. growing up i loved peter sellers, i liked michaelj fox a lot, and i think my acting is hugely... because i was acting under the a british theatre teacher, barryjohn, so i was hugely impacted by peter sellers and british actors, now gary 0ldman and everyone. from india, i think mr rishi kapoor, mr amitabh bachchan, obviously. it's like, you know, mr bachchan is like a birthmark for actors. you have to have it, otherwise you can
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never really become an actor. i always learn either what not to do or what to do from those actors. i love actors, so these three, four people, essentially, yes. you've been more than successful with your career, but in recent times, a couple of your films have not done so well. why do you think that is? is it to do with changes in the film industry, or what are your thoughts about that, really? i have been doing this business for so long, and people get a little disturbed because you make all films with a lot of effort and happiness and goodness, but effort, goodness, happiness does not a good film make. you have to tell a good story. so with due respect to all the other people who are involved in the films that have not done well, i think we just made bad films, it's as simple as that. because in india, everyone knows how to play cricket and how to make movies, so you have... laughter and applause everybody. so they meet you, so they tell
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sachin how to do a forward defensive stroke, and they tell me how to tell a story. but i really believe there is no one reason for a movie going wrong, except for the fact that i truly believe i told a story badly. so, that's the only reason these films are a flop. and i've always said this, it's not with humility, it's with honesty — i am the employee of the audience, and if i can't make my boss happy, i will be fired from the job. so a couple of times in the last two years, i've been fired from the job. they want to give me a chance again? i think so. i'll come back and i'll get my boss on my side! definitely. as an actor, do you think as you get older, you're being offered or doing more interesting roles than when you were younger? or are the roles getting less interesting? i would like to absolutely set the record straight for talking movies and bbc — i am not old. laughter don't do, what is called,
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fake reporting. yes, 0k. i apologise. it's all right. just be guarded next time. yes, 0k. and the second part is, no, i don't think so. i think i'm very fortunate that when i started off, because of being unconventional, like, say, in yourtrade, wanting to do really different things, i think i did not get, or i don't get typecast for too long. sometimes, i make the choices according to what i personally feel like doing, like a comedy and i'll do it. sometimes, like, now i'm really wanting to do a kickass action film. i really want to do a good action film. you have done those in the past, haven't you? i have done a couple of them, but i don't think i've made it to the alpha male category. so i really want to — my sixpack has failed, nothing that makes people feel like i am the macho guy, so that is one thing. deep voice, speak very little, walk into a room, shoot before you say hi.
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then you ride a motorbike, high speed, hair flying and dark glasses and chew gum. that's what i want to do. sounds very cool. let me ask you — some of your films have real staying power. there is one film, i can't say it in hindi but it is referred to as ddlj. dilwale dulhania le jayenge. you do it very nicely! it'as been playing in a cinema here in mumbai for more than 20 years. why has it had such staying power, do you think? we did not think even for a bit it would be such a big hit, let alone it being a commercial success. we thought it would be a sweet film. because the film was released in the ‘90s, i think the liberalisation movement all around the world started, globalisation, india became liberal. i think there was people looking into india, and india looking outwards, and indians all around the world, which i always claim are the biggest asset to india, because there are so many of us, and we can always turn around
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the corner in new york or london or hungary and find an indian somewhere. they felt like attaching themselves to things back home. i think all those things came together. and in a certain sense, antiestablishment was over, people were not angsty, people were easy. and i have said all this because i have read it somewhere. laughter. honestly, that is the main part of it. the fact is, it was just sweet and nice to make the film. applause. it's great that it has such longevity. let me ask you this. few people can outdo you in terms of a fan following around the world. with your fans, do you actively enjoy engaging with them or does it ever feel like an obligation that you have to do? if i say that, it sounds like i am being humble. that's what people think sometimes, i am really humble, but i come from a place where entertainment is extremely important
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but engagement is even more. i think of myself as an engaging semi actor, semi—star. and over the years, in the last 25 years, the fact that i became suddenly such a big star, which i never imagined, i can still not comprehend the magnitude of it. i cannot understand why me and not someone else better. i am still really shocked at the fact that people love me so much after so many years and even after disappointing very often and doing some good stuff also, for me, it is just very important to meet everybody. for me, meeting fans is the only opportunity where i feel i am somehow trying to say thank you or being grateful orjust being able to say, "i don't know why you like me, but thanks! and keep liking me!" it's that kind of a situation. i don't even like calling them fans, to be honest. i just love the people
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who love me so much, and i want to meet them because my line of work doesn't give me many opportunities. i am on a studio floor for mostly 12—14 hours a day. i just want to meet people and spend time with them. having said that, no pictures after this interview! laughter. just to clarify! i heard that you don't think you are a particularly good dancer, is that right? yes. it's hard to believe. you dance in an incredible way. i'm petrified when i have to do songs, in the films, and more often than not, i will be obviously co—partnered by some of the most amazing and beautiful and fantastically graceful ladies the indian film industry has ever produced. they're all such superb dancers, and i am such a nincompoop. i have four or five left feet. i am really pathetic. and i have to tell you, honestly, you don't believe it, because of course they save me, the choreographers and the directors and the actresses that i have worked with. i don't know if your assessment
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of your dancing is totally accurate, because i have seen some very impressive moves. there is one film i really like, dil se, with a sequence where you are dancing on top of a train, and that is an incredible bit of cinema. was that difficult to do? that was one of the funnest things to do, because when you are on top of a moving train, they are not going to give you steps like this. so they all just said, "just do what you can." and all i could do was this, so ijust did that. i want to show off a little. i'm the only person on the train who is not tied down to the train. everybody else is. it was dangerous then? i would like to now show off and say, "it was extremely dangerous." "only a few people in the world can do it, and the other one
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is not alive anymore." it was one of the most fun things, and that song and dance i can do anytime, because it only involves four steps. so how about, you start it, and i'll follow. no, no, no, no. there's no way i am doing that, i'm the most clumsiest person alive! come on, tom. no! no, you have to do it. can ijust do a very bad pun? these steps, any tom, dick, and harry can do. no, i can't! i'll do it for you. stand with me. ok, i'll stand with you. applause. music. oh, dear.
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i love that sequence in the movie. it is brilliant, isn't it? was it difficult to do? no, actually in three days we shot it. the director was very clear, he just wanted this energy. it was great fun. dealing with movies in general, i mean, contemporary movies, are there any particular favourites that you had, films that have been made recently that you have been impressed by? i think gully boy was nice. i like the story of a underdog, rising up and using his talent instead of falling prey to what the parents want and then coming out on top. and of course, to do it in true indian style.
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it has songs, it has dances, but it has a different kind of a setting, so it is not your typical hindi film and it still has a lot of the tropes used and arranged differently. i think that was good, and the performances, of course. that film has been put forward as india's submission for the oscars, hasn't it? yeah. one of the things that interests me in a way is the academy, the oscars institution is 90 years old but it has only been on five occasions that an indian film has got a nomination. do you think there is a bias towards indian cinema, that it doesn't get more recognition by organisations like the academy awards? sometimes, we choose a film which we think is the best indian entry, and more often than not it is, but perhaps it does not fall into the way 0scar looks at cinema from the rest of the world. i hope that that changes, but i think from the indian side, all the top filmmakers and associations should make an effort to understand what does 0scar desire from india as a film that they would like to look up.
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i'm sure, between the thousands of films we make we will find seven or ten like those two. so that is the reason, i think, more than a bias. one of the things that i really like about indian cinema is how self—sufficient it is. it has its own industry, its own star system, and it really can get along without hollywood. i think hollywood only owns 10% of the indian market. do indians really care about what the rest of the world thinks about their cinema in a way, because it is so self—sufficient? i think if i was to look at it from an artistic point of view, every artist wants more and more recognition. so i think on that basis, yes, it matters to us indians and everyone. it makes us very proud if we can take our work around the world. having said that, the self—sufficiency that you talk about, i don't want to be the harbinger of doom, but it won't be for long if we are not able to move with the times in terms of changing the cinema for indian audience in india also. i think the younger generation has access to a lot more around the world and we need to somehow cater to the young ones of india
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more than the rest of the world. bollywood had its #metoo moment a year ago. did you see it coming in any way at all? it's been a conversation everywhere in the world. at least in the cinematic world and media world, it has made us a little more aware that now it may not happen so easily or with such flippancy or with such a men—dominated zone of acceptance that it happens. so i think that was a good thing, and i hope that sticks around. do you think there has been really significant change as a result of the #metoo movement? of course, i've not seen anything like that. but i think awareness has happened and it will make a big change, because people now are wary, people now are worried, and a little scared, that it should not be taken inaway... nobody takes it for granted anymore,
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let me end it at that. people see you ultimately as a performer. have you ever thought of directing at all? would that interest you? i would, but i would tell people if they are interested infilmmaking, ifind being a director, and an honest director, a very lonelyjob. i think it is the singular most lonelyjob anyone can do. here you are, kind of playing god. you are making a film, you are telling the actors how to act, choosing the dialogue, making the script, selling it to the audience, editing it in dark rooms, don't know when to say ok or not but go with your gut, and when the film comes out you are all alone in the success and failure of it. i think being a director is an extremely lonelyjob. if i become a director, it will get into a place where i will feel perhaps lonely and sad. right now, ifeel alone and happy, but i may become lonely and sad. i would love to direct
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an action film. i want to grow up and be christopher nolan, but i don't know if i have the gumption. you are an incredibly accomplished actor. what do you want your legacy to be in terms of what you pass on to younger generations? if i can pass on the culture of immense hard work with a lot of humour, and without trying to feel that you worked hard. if you can wear your success, as i always say, like a t—shirt, not like a tuxedo. if you can be easy about the fact that you got the opportunities to do well but they came about only because you worked hard, and that's it. there is nothing more important to your work than that, that you worked hard, enjoy yourself, gave a few good laughs, and if it makes you a star, so be it. wear it on your sleeve, like a t—shirt. if it doesn't make you a star, at least you worked hard and enjoyed yourself. all right, look, shah rukh khan, thank you so much for doing this interview. it means a lot to me and talking movies. thank you for being so generous in your response. thank you for the coffee. shah rukh khan to india is equal to what water is to india, what air is to india.
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i have memorised each of his dialogues, each of his songs. i probably could do each of the steps that he does in all of his movies. he is very honest, very humble, and a guy who teaches the value of hard work. he has given me the inspiration to do something in life, become someone. in many ways, it's not just about acting, it's about the personality of that person. the way he can talk, the way he can make people want him, that is a very important part of him. you're very kind. thank you very much. hello there. there's a lot of weather heading away over the week
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ahead. iwant weather heading away over the week ahead. i want to focus, though, on the next few days. it's all about wind and rain. there will be some heavy rain or heavy showers, combined with gales or severe gales. probably the strength of the wind likely to be the bigger issue. right, we've had some very blustery already, and that's been blowing on already, and that's been blowing on a lot of showers from the west. the main focus of the strongest winds remains to the south—west of england and the south and west of wales, and already we've had gusts of 70 mph along the south coast of wales and into cornwall. 0f along the south coast of wales and into cornwall. of course is due to storm aliyah. it's bringing with it some big waves and for a while some heavy bursts of rain. it does dry off later on in the night. it's pretty windy elsewhere, mind you, the wind changing to more of a northerly by the morning. and that will feed down some cold air with it as well. now, during monday will see some slow changes. now, it will gradually become less windy as that ridge of high pressure moved on from the west. that's pushing the strongest of the winds over towards the north sea, so very windy, especially in the morning, in those showers down the eastern coast of england and scotland. there will be a few showers coming in over the
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irish sea into north wales. but it will be a windy day, but gradually the winds become lighter, and most places actually turning dry by the afternoon. but it will probably feel afternoon. but it will probably feel a bit colder than it did on sunday. and with the winds continuing to ease through the evening, there could be a touch of frost briefly for the eastern side of the uk, but then the winds pick up again later in the night. we get these weather fronts on the scene and we are drawing in some much milder areas well. that mild air, of course, comes with cloud, and lb outbreaks of rain, two bands of rain at least putting across the country. this second one here, looks like we'll see the heaviest ones on that, and the winds particularly squally at this point as well. should be a mild day, temperatures generally in double figures, but some heavy rain and very windy conditions too. that will sweep its way eastwards during the evening and taking away the mild air, and then we are all into something a bit chillier on wednesday. low pressure towards the
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north—west. still the risk of some gales here. otherwise it won't be as windy on wednesday. it's a mixture of sunshine and showers, some of them heavy, with some helen nundah, and over the hills in the north there could be some winter in a surround as well. it will be a chilly day as well, in the breeze, and in those showers, temperatures typically six or seven.
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