tonight, we are in york. welcome to question time election special. with us, robertjenrick, a former corporate lawyer and businessman, elected to westminster in 2014 and now the housing secretary. a former ca re now the housing secretary. a former care worker trade unionist, she became an mp in 2015 and was appointed shadow secretary for education a year later, angela rayner. an mp by age 25 after a brief career in public relations, five months ago she became the first woman and the youngest person to be elected leader of the lib dems, jo swinson. humza yousaf, the first man from an ethic maniacally in the

first muslim to be appointed to the scottish government, he worked as a political adviser before becoming scottish justice political adviser before becoming scottishjustice secretary. mp political adviser before becoming scottish justice secretary. mp for nine years, elected to the welsh assembly in 2016 and party leader a year ago when he set out a path to achieving welsh independence, the leader of plaid cymru, adam price. jonathan bartley, co—leader of the green party in england and wales, co—founder of a christian think tank had co—founder of a christian think tank ha d rece ntly co—founder of a christian think tank had recently arrested during the extinction rebellion demonstrations in the city of london. and city trader, former leader of ukip, mep for 20 years, he led the campaign for 20 years, he led the campaign for a referendum on the uk's bishop of the eu, leader and founder of the brexit party, nigel farage. —— the uk's membership of the eu. there are only three days to go, and still plenty of discussions and documents to be had, and we will have them here. welcome to all seven

of our panellists, to you watching and listening at home, and just as importantly to our audience here, raring to go. look at them. tonight, the audience consists of younger voters aged 18 to just under 30, a key group of voters for all the parties, and representative of a generation that will live for a long time with some of the decisions and policies made by whoeverforms time with some of the decisions and policies made by whoever forms the next government. to explain how the syd ney next government. to explain how the sydney works, we will take pre—selected questions which have been submitted by the audience, and the debate will be open to the floor. —— to explain how this evening works. we hope for plenty of challenge and opinion on the issues and, ina challenge and opinion on the issues and, in a break to question time tradition, we will take questions which have come in from twitter in a quickfire round later. don't forget tojoin in from home in the usual ways, using #bbcqt on twitter, facebook and instagram. let's get going. 0urfirst question facebook and instagram. let's get going. our first question this evening is from catrin ellis. how

can my voice be heard when i live in a safe state debt market safe state constituency? robert jenrick, the conservatives are the only party refusing to countenance any electoral reforms. well, your voice is never lost. you should vote in an election. it's so important. generations have fought for the right to vote. 0nly last year, we celebrated the 100th anniversary of women and some working class man having the right to vote, so use your vote, irrespective of where you live, and recognised that this election is an exceptionally important one. it feels like the most important election in my lifetime and it will determine some hugely important things about the future of the country and my generation and yours will be the ones who will feel though is the most and live longest to experience them. how do we leave the eu, what is the future of the union of the uk? iwant is the future of the union of the uk? i want this election to end the

deadlock, to enter the arguing we have seen in the commons. why no electoral reforms or getting rid of the house of lords or changing the voting system? the house of lords or changing the voting system ? is the house of lords or changing the voting system? is it because it benefits you as a member of the party of government and one of the large two parties? no, if your question is, and my content with the existing voting system, yes, i am. we had a referendum a few years ago and the majority of people voted to keep it. it's a simple system enables you to have a named mp in a constituency, someone you can get to know, go and see, hold to account, andi know, go and see, hold to account, and i think that's good. it's something that people all over the world respect. this is such an important election for plank of we wa nt important election for plank of we want a referendum on a proportional system, we have never had a vote on that, and if i understand the question directly, that is what you

are talking about, you want votes to match seats, and i think you are right. if we have seen anything with the recent paralysis in parliament, it is that we have a broken system and we need to do politics better and we need to do politics better and learn to disagree well with each other, to collaborate more, as they do on the continent. we need a fair voting system, but... do you think it's fair, when you have got into an alliance with the lib dems, with plaid cymru, and people who want to vote green in certain places can't? there has been an alliance were effectively disenfranchised people. people want to see more mps in the house of commons holding the feet to the fire of the other parties, and undera the fire of the other parties, and under a broken system we have to do this. we have big differences with the lib dems and other parties, but we are always willing to work with them ina we are always willing to work with them in a more collaborative, gi’owi'i—up them in a more collaborative, grown—up way where there is common ground, and to get more green mps in parliament we have to do that. we got 2 million votes in the european

elections in 2015 and one mp from over a million votes. applause is this answering your question? do you feel like you have to play games with your vote? i would like people to vote tactically if they don't wa nt to vote tactically if they don't want somebody to keep their seats, but i think they should be able to vote for who they want to vote for. do you like the idea parties coming together like this? do you like the idea parties standing down, huge swathes of candidates to help other parties? i think that wouldn't have to happen if we had proportional representation because people would be able to vote for who they wanted and it would be reflected. nigel farage, you started the campaign saying you were going to stand candidates in every state, but you bottled it. it was a political decision. i didn't wantjo swinson

to win lots of seats in the south and south—west, which she would have done, no question, so we got the conservative party dragged, kicking and screaming into talking about something that nearly resembles brexit. were you offered a peerage? iam not brexit. were you offered a peerage? i am not for sale, unlike most people in parliament. but you did say, in the quote to the mirror, i was offered one on friday. asda repeatedly for us to stand down across the entire party, and i would not countenance it. by the conservatives? yes, and i am with you. millions of people say, what is the point of voting? i am in a safe seat. we need party saying, don't vote for them, we offer, we are not quite as bad. —— it leads to parties saying put up some proportionality, this is what we stand for, please

vote for us, and in the history of uk politics i am the who has achieved the most votes, 4 million votes in 2015 and one seat in parliament. getting back to what emma was talking about, the idea that the upper chamber, the amending chamber that has legislative power in this country is filled with 600 people put their by cameron and blair... we should abolish the house of lords and make that elected. let's modernise our whole democratic system. it would be a better, more positive system. nigel, would you rule out ever taking a seat in the house of lords? you will never take one? i want the place abolished. i wa nt one? i want the place abolished. i want real, genuine, radical change. but you're still happy to take an mep salary as an mep. if i wasn't doing that, next year, they go to westminster and take the salary, and

it's nothing unusual in being an apology you want to come out of. i have been the turkey that has voted for christmas year after year, and i am pleased for that. robert jenrick, cani am pleased for that. robert jenrick, can i get some clarity? did the conservatives offer nigel farage a peerage? no. are you accusing him of lying? i don't know where he's coming from. i know that the conservative party has not offered anyone in the brexit party any of these peerages and inducements. even ann widdecombe, you can like or dislike her, but when she says she was offered a job by your government i think we both know she is telling the truth. santa who offered it to you? iam the truth. santa who offered it to you? i am not naming the truth. santa who offered it to you? iam not naming names, buti may do so to the metropolitan police. angela rayner, in terms of the way people feel, a lot of people

don't feel it is worth it to go out and vote. the people in this room, i hope, area and vote. the people in this room, i hope, are a bit into politics or they wouldn't be here but, in terms of labour, we have heard it all before. in your manifesto, you say you will abolish the house of lords, one of your reforms. when you will you do it? if you get the keys to power, how will it take? we will put it in place as soon as we can, but oui’ it in place as soon as we can, but our priority would be to deal with the on our streets. when would that be? as soon as possible, but we would need legislation, and we are clear we will abolish the house of lords, but our priority is to be to fix the 4 million children in poverty, so we will do it but we also make sure we enter tuition fees and do all the other promises through our legislative programme. parties rarely prioritise electoral reform. they get the keys, they run in and they forget about the campaign. we have a commitment to it, but i'm not going to say we are

going to do it on the first date because our priority has to be to deal with the cuts that happen. they have a commitment to look at it. the uk is damaged and we need to fix that, but one thing i would say that i think is positive about this election is more people have registered to vote, and young people are engaging. it's great we have so many young people here tonight engaging in this question time. whether you are in what is considered a safe seat or not, you can engage in changing what happens in your community, not just can engage in changing what happens in your community, notjust with a vote but being active and getting your voice heard, as we heard with the students with the broken promises by the lib dems on tuition fees, they will make their voices heard. what would you like to say? all the parties here, while they may say we want people to register to vote, aren't you solely focused on

westminster, when we are in an area of the country which is unrepresented? she is as big as scotland and doesn't have devolution or independence. surely that should be at the forefront of the agenda, not been all about westminster and serving your little westminster village, the greater area? devolving power, a good opportunity to go to the snp. absolutely right, the gentleman has it nailed on the head. the north of england is the most disenfranchised part of the uk. i wa nt scotla nd disenfranchised part of the uk. i want scotland to be independent. i am not hit advocate for yorkshire independence, i will leave you to do that if you wish, i see the benefit that if you wish, i see the benefit that scotland has had, even with the limited powers of devolution that we have, so, yes, of course, ithink the people of northern england have been the most disenfranchised. to touch on one thing, and i think the question was exceptionally important before, we are believers in a

proportional system in scotland, and we have a hybrid one which works well. it is designed not to have a majority. there has been one majority. there has been one majority in the history of devolution because we literally broke the system, but it is not designed for a majority. it forces the snp, the government at the moment, to work with other parties to find a compromise, so we would definitely support that. i also support the abolition of the house of lords. we have never taken a peerage and never will. but the abolition of the house of lords never seems to happen. vote snp and we will support any party which looks to abolish the house of lords. let me finish. it's an important point. voting is one part of the democratic process. i am really proud in the party to have somebody like mary black, the youngest ever mp in the commons. don'tjust use your vote, get elected and sit down in westminster. —— somebody like

mhairi black. jo swinson, you got involved at a young age. you feel you have let people down who can't vote for the lib dems wherever they would like? there might be people here who can't vote for your party because you are playing games. well, there is a lot at stake in this election and i am proud we have worked with plaid cymru and the green party to try and maximise the number of remain mps elected in this new parliament, but i would love to have a system where that wasn't necessary , have a system where that wasn't necessary, where capturing your vote would matter no matter where you are. it's important for votes to count because the very concept that there is a safe seat, that any politician does not get held to account that will be voted in time after time, no matter what they do, thatis after time, no matter what they do, that is fundamentally a broken part of our politics. when you look at what is happening right now, it sometimes feels like a slightly geeky thing to be interested in

electoral reform, but actually it can have a massive impact. sometimes you get coalitions, don't you? that didn't work out so great for the river thames and their record. —— for the lib dems. maybe not, and we try to abolish the house of lords, and labour refused to vote for it and labour refused to vote for it and make sure we have the time in parliament for it but you voted for the bedroom tax. are you proud of that? on that question of electoral reform, the reason we are in that exit mess is you have a conservative party is divided, which has been kicking out one nation conservative, churchill's grandson, a labour party thatis churchill's grandson, a labour party that is divided, and the reason those parties stay together... if we we re those parties stay together... if we were elsewhere in europe, those parties would not be single parties because the width of views is so wide. and there is the b word. i

have a feeling we will come back to brexit. can i take another question? i think we have all the evidence that we are living in a democratically corrupt country. we don't have proportional representation, we have an un—democratically elected house of lords, we don't have devolution in the regions of england, we are living in the eu, which is anti—democratic and, when we have a vote on direct democracy, we don't have the opportunity to do that but, when we are given the opportunity to vote, five of the seven of you don't even listen to us. thank you. more hands are going up. i really have to bring people in four tip adam has been waiting. what a fantastic opportunity to put your question to the leader of plaid cymru who, as far as the leader of plaid cymru who, as farasi the leader of plaid cymru who, as faras i can the leader of plaid cymru who, as far as i can see from your ma nifesto, far as i can see from your manifesto, have ignored the will of wales, who would like to leave the eu, and you have told them they need another vote. i think the fundamental imperative, the first

moment in politics is to be honest and, when people ask me honestly whether i believe brexit will hurt 01’ whether i believe brexit will hurt or help wales, i have to be honest. it will hurt wales. it will rip the heart out of the economy in wales. that is what we sincerely believe, andi that is what we sincerely believe, and i respect people that sincerely disagree with us, but i can't say something that i don't believe, even if it might be politically convenient to do so. the broader question, i agree with you, there is a deep dysfunction at the heart of oui’ a deep dysfunction at the heart of our democracy. brexit has brought it to the fore, it's thrown it into sharp relief, but it was already there. when i got elected to westminster, i couldn't believe what i saw, men in tights opening doors for you! felt like a gentleman is club, and! for you! felt like a gentleman is club, and i my words advisedly. instead of spending £5 billion on refurbishing that crumbling pile on the banks of the river thames, shut it down, turn it into a museum, it

is full of dinosaurs anyway trylj it down, turn it into a museum, it is full of dinosaurs anyway try i am not a dinosaur! get a parliament for the north of england. and then maybe you'd see a different kind of politics, because it exists in a hermetically sealed bubble. it doesn't represent the people of the nations of this island. doesn't represent the people of the nations of this islandlj doesn't represent the people of the nations of this island. i was going to add, i don't know if you've noticed, but mps can't even agree on whether to move out or not or restore it, so we will look for agreement elsewhere. i'm going to get some comments. i wanted to say that i think the dysfunction is also alongside katrina's thoughts on the fa ct we alongside katrina's thoughts on the fact we are not getting our votes heard, the fact we are not getting listen to, young people are not listened to, and you don't listen to each other either. the problem is that you can't work together. we don't work together as a community, and how do you expect a solution to come from that? the lady here. we

are supposed to be a democratic union, but why are you trying to stop brexit when 52% of the vote tried? we will get there. you are saying a people's vote matters, but why are you going completely against what people voted for? in the audience, where is michael wigram? hello. please would you give us your question? how can it be democratic to have a second referendum on eu membership before incrementing the results of the first? -- implementing. right, it's come up. angela rayner, for labour, the question from michael, reiterated in other parts of the room, and let's start very clearly... what percentage, because we've done some maths at question time, do you put

it at that the shadow cabinet will support leaving the eu withjeremy corbyn‘s deal? support leaving the eu withjeremy corbyn's deal? i've not had a straw poll of the shadow cabinet. cue 94% will support remain. —— poll of the shadow cabinet. cue 94% will support remain. -- 94% will support remain. i didn't take part in that poll. we have gone through what you have all said in public and we are trying to figure out if labour is the party of remain or leave. your leader has said he will be neutral. he said he will be an honest broker. 0ne be neutral. he said he will be an honest broker. one of the things that i found very frustrating is that i found very frustrating is that people think we are trying to stop brexit. that is not what we are trying to do the we have not been in government. we tried to work with government, they put their red lines from the start, and we'd say we'd have to have close alignment with europe, we have to have a customs union and a single market. unless we do that, trade with europe and the northern ireland border will still

be an issue. we haven't had an opportunity to do that. people feel they were lied to, slogans on a bus and everything else. personally, i don't subscribe to people not knowing what they were voting for, i think people did, and i understand the frustration, but we said we would have a close alignment with europe, we'd get a brexit deal and put it back to the people. how would you vote personally? i'd like to see the deal we get, but if we get one that protects our economy and jobs, i'd vote for brexit because that's what people wanted, i represent my constituency. but it has to be a deal that doesn't putjobs and the economy at risk in my constituency. that is my redline. robert jenrick, we are only in the position that michael has outlined here, where even the idea of a second referendum has gained traction, because of the chaos and mess the conservative government has made for three and a

half years of failing to execute a referendum the conservatives called. 90% or so of mps at the time voted to hold a referendum, i was one of them and i think angela was as well. we voted for it and we gave the question to the people to vote in a referendum. as it happens, i voted to remain, but the majority voted to leave. i have always felt it is essential if we are going to respect democracy that we carry out the wishes of the public in that vote, and going back to katrina's question... why does one's vote not count? you failed to do it because of your own backbenches we are suddenly told, your vote didn't count, jo is saying that she was in favour of revoking article 50 altogether, then she says she wants altogether, then she says she wants a second referendum, but she will ignore the result of the second

referendum as well. get brexit done... robert... could you take now, in front of 18 to 30—year—old photos, some responsibility, as the conservative government, for creating chaos and mess of executing a plan that you instigated? could you take some responsibility without throwing it to the left or the right? i wish we had managed to get brexit done a long time ago on every opportunity, i voted to get a deal done, a good deal, get out of the eu in march of this year. we were not able to do that. parliament voted against it time and again. parliament passed that deal put up you didn't want the amendments. but you didn't want the amendments. but you had a deal. 15 minutes later, parliament voted against getting it done. you wanted a programme motion within two weeks where we could debate it, which is not usual

process. this arguing in the house of commons, i am fed up with it... plan can do you take any responsibility, yes or no? know, at every turn, parliament has blocked brexit and we want to move forward. audi list ready to go if we can geta forward. audi list ready to go if we can get a majority conservative government. brexit can be done by the end of january. government. brexit can be done by the end ofjanuary. it's here from the end ofjanuary. it's here from the audience. i am from a constituency that voted to leave, and our labourmp constituency that voted to leave, and our labour mp has voted to remain every time, every opportunity she's had. part of the problem with the deal we've got at the moment, theresa may's deal which boris johnson couldn't even agree on, he didn't vote for it, is deal now is 95% of theresa may's deal, it is not a good deal for us, and we haven't had the opportunity to have close alignment with europe, we haven't had that opportunity to put forward

that deal. the deal the conservative have put forward is a withdrawal agreement, which means years and years of trying to negotiate the future relationship. it hasn't dealt with the northern ireland border, so most labour mps said, we can't vote for that deal put up that doesn't mean to say we don't respect the result, but i can't vote for a deal which is really bad for my area. let me take some comments. the person at the back. angela, you set your deal would include the single market and the customs union and would protect jobs and services. is there any way in which it varies from remain? is a scottish person, my voice hasn't been heard on brexit. scotland voted i'io been heard on brexit. scotland voted no to it but we are still getting dragged through it. that isn't democracy. is it not parliament's job to challenge the government and to prevent the government simply sweeping things through? ok, jo

swinson, in terms of the original question, and feel free on any of those, michael asked, how can it be democratic to have a second referendum on eu membership before in preventing the result of the first? you want to ignore the whole thing and revoke it, don't you?|j wa nt thing and revoke it, don't you?” wa nt to thing and revoke it, don't you?” want to stop brexit because remaining in the eu is betterfor our jobs, remaining in the eu is betterfor ourjobs, opportunities, remaining in the eu is betterfor our jobs, opportunities, public services and the environment. how do you know? we have not brexited yet? we would lose crucial environmental protections and all the economic analysis shows that, when you pull up analysis shows that, when you pull up as if barriers with your closest trading partners, that will hit businesses hard. you are the only one here who says revoke. liberal democrats! in a democratic event, so it is giving people the choice of you said you would ignore the

result. there is a difference, robert, between saying that you are not going to change your beliefs, because i am not going to change my beliefs, i am because i am not going to change my beliefs, iam pro—european, ithink it is better when we work with our closest neighbours, and i'm not going to change... what is the point ofa going to change... what is the point of a second referendum if you always ignore the result? you are saying i will ignore the result, which is not truth i answered a question on whether i would change my belief and i won't. when i was elected to parliament, the labour party had a majority and i didn't suddenly go, i'm going to stop arguing for lib dem policies. but you didn't respect the outcome of the referendum. they speak over each other. angela has sat there and told us the most amazing amount of fudge, because the gentleman at the back said, what is the difference between a customs union, single market and remain? a key difference is that we

would be having the single market regulations but we would lose our voice on them. the basic bottom line is that there is not a brexit deal that protects jobs, which is that there is not a brexit deal that protectsjobs, which is is that there is not a brexit deal that protects jobs, which is good for our economy, and the people trying to say that that is the case are trying to peddle something that simply is not true, and then you wonder why there is a trust with politics. we argued this in the referendum. what we think is relevant. the country voted and your party, i remember paddy ashdown saying, we will respect the voters and implement the result, and you have broken your word. don't you talk about what we both said during the referendum! all of the lies about turkeyjoining the referendum! all of the lies about turkey joining the the referendum! all of the lies about turkeyjoining the eu. you stood... they shout over each other. when you both talk at the same time,

it's rather hard to hear. nigel farage, a question to you, is the brexit party, if the tories get a majority on friday morning, is the brexit party going to die on its sword because brexit is on its way, it is up and ready, to use prime minister's phrase? if the prime minister's phrase? if the prime ministerand minister's phrase? if the prime minister and the conservative party pass the new eu treaty, as it currently is, unamended, we will be backin currently is, unamended, we will be back in crisis within six months. it is not brexit. it does not free us from the institutions. if the prime minister is wise enough, if he wins, to make some amendments to it, and maybe we are talking. i sense... what we have got here, we have got five parties that have broken their promise. they promised during and after the referendum they would respect the result and now they want people to vote again, because they don't like the result and they are rehearsing the arguments. what the conservatives have done with mrs may struck a deal... went out and said

you hated it, then stood down more than half of your candidates and dissing disenfranchised it... on friday night, i heard borisjohnson talking about the deal being often ready. either way, we must not have a second referendum in this country. it would be disastrous, and the main reason i stood down those candidates was to stop the lib dems in the south and south—west of england. if we don't implement the result of the referendum, leave the single market, leave the customs union, then trust in democracy in this country will never be the same. no, no, can we get in these two women here first? you say that you voted on this issue, but some of us have not voted on this issue. how can you justify using my grandparents's to votes on the matter of the eu and i myself who will be affected by this will not

have one? it should and implement a long time ago, that his answer, and it wasn't. i'm also additionally adding to that, a 16—year—old should also get the vote because they will be lasting a lot longer than you will, and i think there should be a second referendum, not for remain or leave, but because elected representative is unable, even though we have elected us experts, to come up with a deal is happy with. applause. adam, let's bring in adam at this point for plaid cymru. to quote david davis, who isjust as much a brexiteer as you, in a democracy, people are entitled to change their minds. when you fell into the first one, yes. you have to implement the result. when you thought the result would go the other way, you said you would go the other way, you said you would not have changed your mind, you continue the next day in the next day. you would have still

campaigned... they shout 0ver each other. when you talk over the each other, troubled to hear.” other. when you talk over the each other, troubled to hear. i think there was a fatal flaw at the heart of the brexit referendum, which is a responsibility for the conservative party. they put forward a proposition and they have no plan. there was no plan behind it, that is why. .. there was no plan behind it, that is why... applause. i think brexit could have happened, and to the point you made earlier, if politicians were prepared to compromise. we are passionate remain party, but we voted in favour of a soft brexit. i think that would have reflected the narrowness of the results. reflected the narrowness of the result, so you find a compromise, brexit but a soft brexit but instead what happened is that the conservative government took it further towards an extreme brexit.

impossible to find a compromise. adam, over here, hello. i hate to break up the adam and nigel party! excuse me. what evidence do you have that the people have miraculously change their mind, especially in wales where to remind you, brexit trumped ? wales where to remind you, brexit trumped? the only evidence we have, thatis trumped? the only evidence we have, that is the opinion polls showing a shift but the only way ultimately to test that of course is to have that confirmatory referendum. and i agree that politicians have failed to do their job that politicians have failed to do theirjob and so we have to take it back to the people because it is only now the people that can decide this. let's bring our people. i want to know if nigel farage is going to be voting conservative as that is the only way to get brexit done. i

think he only oppose the government deal because he likes to be on tv. let me assure you, i do not need to sit here to be on tv. i wanted to believe boris. you could be on fox news i suppose. exactly, i wanted believe boris. you could be on fox news i suppose. exactly, iwanted to believe boris when he said they would go for a canada style trade deal. have you got a candidate in your constituency? who would you vote for? i will spoil the ballot paper. when boro said we will go for a canada style deal i like that. spoiling your ballot paper is a form of voting. the only party you set up thatis of voting. the only party you set up that is going to deliver brexit can if even the brexit party cannot support brexit then what is the point of it? because it is not brexit! i repeat the point, if boris

when he said on the final might debate, boris said he would pass the deal by christmas and if he does that that is not brexit and we will have you a small wrangling and a crisis before next summer. and a cce pta nce crisis before next summer. and acce pta nce of crisis before next summer. and acceptance of course, crisis before next summer. and acceptance of course, over crisis before next summer. and acceptance of course, over half of the cabinet voted remain, they never wanted to believe result to win and three and a half years on they are still not giving us what we deserve. nigel, you're making the case for why we need to put this issue back to the country because it is this unicorn brexit, you can't agree with borisjohnson or theresa unicorn brexit, you can't agree with boris johnson or theresa may, unicorn brexit, you can't agree with borisjohnson or theresa may, hang on, the brexiteers cannot even agree amongst themselves what brexit looks like and that is why this specific deal needs to go back to the people because there's no confidence whatsoever in the public for any specific brexit. we did not vote to leave the eu treaties to sign up to

a new eu treaty. let's put it back to the people. in terms of questions, please send your question. everyone keeps saying we voted brexit and we had a referendum and should move on but by that same logic why do we have a general election every five years? people change their minds and it has been thrilled to have you. i think that the electorate has changed and surely this is the only democratic outcome to put the vote back to the people and have a second referendum. and we will take another question. why are women not talking about cambridge analytica and the result that came from the 2016 election. dominic cummings conspired with cambridge analytica to swing the result. another point there. the

reportjeremy result. another point there. the report jeremy corbyn read result. another point there. the reportjeremy corbyn read out result. another point there. the report jeremy corbyn read out to us the other day. nigel farage, i know you have a radio show that this is not your show. jonathan, to bring you in here. the theme and picking up you in here. the theme and picking up from some questions is about trust in politics and trust in the democratic process. the idea that we just drive this through and it some help will heal the country, it is not. people in my family voted to leave, i play in a band and the band are split leave and remain commit the idea that this will all miraculously be done and dusted if we just miraculously be done and dusted if wejust go miraculously be done and dusted if we just go with some kind of deal, it is not. we need a process for moving through this and with cambridge analytica, the russian interference, we need a system, a better system of democracy and for

me more democracy is not anti—democratic. me more democracy is not anti-democratic. just to say cambridge analytica did work for vote leave, just haven't checked that, but we spoke earlier about alliances and the green party position is for a peoples vote, not to revoke article 50 and so can lucas, the only mp, now of course a candidate, she described the lib dem policy, you got into bed with the lib dems for this election, as arrogant, cynical and self—indulgent. how can you stomach sacrificing attentional green belts when you're doing something with your own brexit policy you do not agree with. she also dropped the f bomb in that! it is pre—watershed. where there is common ground we will always work with other parties to try to find a way forward. we think we need a better form of politics and of course we do not agree with the lib dems are many things, we stood up proudly against austerity

in 2015 when even the labour party compromised for that breed stood up for migrants and refugees where other parties have compromised. and that scaremongering from nigel farage during the referendum, that breaking point posture, that was the lowest point in my life. the choice can be horrible. i going to apologise, that was not the truth. they were not refugees. you are right, thank you, they will not refugees. you were trying to dog whistle racism and you are a disgrace. you are a disgrace. apologise for that. stop peddling hate. thank you so much. amidst your bile and prejudice you made the point. channel 4 highlighted what a

racist party you are and what you have been doing. you have been saying in the north of england... you are a disgrace. you want to wake up you are a disgrace. you want to wake up and smell the coffee. you have an anti—semitism problem and you are being investigating by the authorities. we are dealing with that. you have lowered british politics. your leader has tolerated extremism. ok, much of angela rayner, jo swinson, let's hearfrom someone rayner, jo swinson, let's hearfrom someone else, the snp and humza yousaf because what is interesting about the snp is that you pick and choose which referendums you like to hold and which referendums you respect the vote of, would she want to do again and by our calculations if we follow all the things that your leader has said there will be not one but two referendums next year. is that when you watch think

the british people want to go through? it is what the scottish people want and to answer your question, scotland voted overwhelmingly to state within the european union, 62%, a pretty hefty margin. scotland voted to stay in the eu and we are going to get dragged out but of all the nations in the circle partnership of equals, scotla nd in the circle partnership of equals, scotland is the only one getting shafted. england voted to leave and you're going to leave, wales voted to leave and you're going to leave, northern ireland voted to remain and have a different should deal, but scotla nd have a different should deal, but scotland voted to stay and will be dragged out and that is just undemocratic. to the point the lady made ina undemocratic. to the point the lady made in a second row, not only should 16—year—olds get the vote as they did in the scottish independence referendum but what a disgrace that eu citizens were not allowed to vote in the eu referendum, an absolute disgrace.

they did not get the chance to vote. how long to believe the results a referendum should last? if there is a material change in circumstances then of course you should be able to ask the question again. what if the uk does not leave, you lose but what if underjeremy corbyn, which you may or may not have to support come friday, what if angela rayner and the shadow cabinet team negotiate a new deal and the british people as a whole vote to remain. you cannot have a scottish independence referendum, can you? with respect is not for you or anyone in westminster to decide, it is for the scottish people to decide. but you would have lost a material difference. the brexit issue is just symptomatic of a broken westminster system, we had ten yea rs a broken westminster system, we had ten years of conservative lib dem posterity that we did not vote for.

a bedroom tax, benefits cap, all of which scotland did not vote for. are any of you're surprised looking at the westminster system in the past few years is it any surprise that scotla nd few years is it any surprise that scotland looks at that shambles and says you know what, thanks but no thanks. let's get some more comments. a question forjo swinson, you state you are the party of remain and want a second referendum but we will not have a second referendum as a result of your actions before the election. the snp, the lib dems, labour, the remain alliance, you had the tories pinned down, you could have handed amendments to the deal that he brought in and you could have forced through a second referendum. now we are having this election made up of multiple issues, and people are voting for different reasons and not

just on brexit. if you had held your nerve you could have forced through that second referendum but instead he went foran that second referendum but instead he went for an election because you wa nt he went for an election because you want to be the gamekeepers in a situation where there...” want to be the gamekeepers in a situation where there... i will come straight back to that butjust to ta ke straight back to that butjust to take another point. brexit will make scottish independence more likely because the scots are fed up and i com pletely because the scots are fed up and i completely understand why. but at the end of the date we are united kingdom and have to stick together through thick and thin and brexit is the thick part. i'm not sure we have two, i get what you are saying but if you had a chance to get on a life boat a sinking ship i think you would take it. hang on a minute. even the iss said you would be worse off. 0nly labour have pledged to stop the austerity that we've had for nine years. it is because of you

we have an economic crash. we are really feeling the festive spirit here! the woman in front says where better to stick together through thick and thin and i think we should do that but to answer the question from the man behind, i would much have prepared us to be having a people is that on this specific brexit deal than a general election. the lib dems tabled amendments to try to secure a people spoke 17 times and the labour party instead of backing those amendments, 19 labour mps voted for borisjohnson's brexit deal. that is why we are having an election. he was going to have his brexit deal passed on the back of labour. added amendments to the vote would have changed things and somebody would have eventually folded. have changed things and somebody would have eventually folded! have changed things and somebody would have eventually folded. a few weeks ago we tabled an amendment for a people's vote and it was not backed by labour. actions speak

louder than words can you do not wa nt louder than words can you do not want to respect the result of the referendum and you need to be honest about that. i'm being perfectly honest about wanting to stop brexit. nine years ago there was tuition fees, i'm sure you are honest then as well. you can talk about the past... as well. you can talk about the past. . . the as well. you can talk about the past... the poll tax, austerity, the bedroom tax? tuition fees? you can't accuse me of not being honest on where i stand on brexit. just to say, i think it's important to remember that when austerity was brought in by the coalition, alistair darling, the chancellor of labour had said he was planning similar policies. it is what got me involved in politics, i didn't want that to happen and look where the labour party is now. i am proud to

be part of that shadow cabinet that will end austerity and invest in old and young people. the problem is you think people have forgotten, but it's the reason you have been kicked out in scotland, you were the architects of austerity. alistair darling said his cuts would have been deeper than the cuts made by margaret thatcher. if you look at our manifesto and look where the labour party is now compared to where it was, we are in a better place, we will end austerity, invest in communities, end tuition fees, give kids the education they deserve and stop older people dying on trolleys not getting support they need at the moment. that is what labour promising now. adam, i am sorry but we have to move on. it's important to point out that tuition fees were a labour policy, so have you apologised as well? it wasn't

triple the fees. all talk at once now i know howjohn bercow feels. let's move on. we have a question from aiden booth. how can politicians claim they are serious about climate change when they will not deal with one of the biggest contributors in meat consumption? let's go to nigel farage first. do you eat meat? i certainly do, yes. actually, when it comes to a lot of grazing animals, sheep for example, well—kept pastures, believe it or not, absorb carbon dioxide. some of the arguments about meat are slightly false arguments. i know there are arguments about methane, let's not go there right now! but just to think, all meat farming is a disaster in terms of c02 is actually

factually wrong. you have come to me first on climate change. this will bea first on climate change. this will be a competition... do you believe in it? i believe the climate is warming now as it was cooling 40 or 50 yea rs warming now as it was cooling 40 or 50 years ago. but yes it is warming andi 50 years ago. but yes it is warming and i do think about it seriously. you said in september of 2013 that the science wasn't settled. have you updated your views? science is never settled. to say science is settled would be crazy. these debates go on and on. the experts thought in 1974 on the same experts thought that we would have global cooling because of human influence. science is never settled. but bear in mind that we as a country emit less than 2% of global carbon dioxide. last year china emitted more c02 than america, the whole of europe and japan. we keep talking about cutting c02

emissions. 0nly keep talking about cutting c02 emissions. only 3% of what governments spend around the world... that wasn't the question. ifi world... that wasn't the question. if i may, aden, has that answers your question. you are talking about personal responsibility question though it is easy to put it on china or usa or whoever. let's keep going with this personal point. robert jenrick for the conservatives, do you think personal sacrifices are necessary. could you see a day when governments are said to people, you can only eat a certain amount of meat? i don't think that's likely. we have to bring people with us on thisjourney. public we have to bring people with us on this journey. public attitudes we have to bring people with us on thisjourney. public attitudes have changed enormously in the last ten years but it's important to keep people with us. we are making massive changes as a society. what do? lots of different things... laughter

i have made efforts to make my home more energy efficient. i use less plastic. i have more insulation at home. i try to drive less and use public transport more. these are small things admittedly but we are all trying to do more in daily life. in politics, as a government, we have done a huge amount. we are decarbonising faster than any other major country in the world. we have legislated for net zero by 2050. i know some would like to go further but it was a huge step forward. you say you want to take people with you. these are personal things people can do which do contribute to the point made by aiden and you say no state intervention. i'm not going to ban people eating meat but we are doing other things, to ban people eating meat but we are doing otherthings, investing to ban people eating meat but we are doing other things, investing £8 billion in electric car charging points to encourage people to buy an electric car if they can. we are investing more in buses and railways to help people use public transport.

in the manifesto we are giving £9 billion to helping people with schools, social housing to make them more environmentally friendly. that money you are suggesting you're giving to schools, they can't even stay open at the moment and they are struggling to buy books. you are opposed to trying to cut energy bills in schools? you need to be absolutely clear that the funding you are suggesting you are putting forward is nowhere near enough, not even close to the amount you have taken out of schools and willjust about reverse some of cuts but 83% are still happening in schools. that's before you even think about energy. it's nowhere near enough. we are raising standards and putting more money in. it's important to tackle energy efficiency. the committee on climate change has said it is one of the key tasks. you sold off the green investment bank, stopped offshore wind. our record

speaks for itself. why are we doing better than almost any other major developing country? is what jo swinson said the case? you did sell off the green investment bank. you stopped offshore wind and you abolish the department of climate change. the green investment bank is succeeding in the private sector. if you don't think there is a role for the private sector in meeting climate change obligations then you have gone the same loony direction as the labour party. you need tens of billions of pounds of private investment to meet our climate change obligations. £92 billion is gone already into renewables. don't call us a loony party because that is actually offensive language. you wa nt is actually offensive language. you want to... we are having a political debate. it's not going to work if you want to tackle climate change. we need people investing and

businesses being innovative. angela, as the party of big state, you talk about your first as the party of big state, you talk about yourfirst 100 as the party of big state, you talk about your first 100 days today. what would you say in direct response to aiden, about stopping people from eating meat? talking about the actual question? we have to encourage people to make good choices for the environment and climate first of all. and at an individual level. my young kids have a much better idea of it than we did at theirage. a much better idea of it than we did at their age. nationalising sausages? no. would you have a whole meet policy where you would say to people as the party of big state, would you say to them, please limit the amount you eat to a certain amount of grams per month? we wouldn't educate people on healthy choices. it's about giving people an informed choice to help them make that choice. in terms of the state,

and nigel's point around china, if we create a million greenjobs and solar and wind farms and the technology around that, we can export that. that is the industrial revolution, a million greenjobs. we would rebuild new factories and redistribute dealing with the climate emergency. the industrial base will disappear. it's happened in the north already. that happened under thatcher when you were part of that party factory you are in the tory party at that stage. you complain about him but you are offensive to everyone.” complain about him but you are offensive to everyone. i thought you liked margaret thatcher? we were close down every chemical factory, and every engineering plant. we can't unilaterally go to reduce carbon ahead of everyone else without losing a huge number of jobs. i will bring in other people you haven't spoken. a few more questions. the gentleman on the front row. in terms of china, the

poor environmental record of a country such as china and also india, doesn't excuse the united kingdom. especially in a post—brexit world, the uk shouldn't hold back, we should be a flag bearer for issues such as the environment. let's ta ke issues such as the environment. let's take one more from the back row. speaking of cuts, is a newly called barrister, i row. speaking of cuts, is a newly called barrister, lam row. speaking of cuts, is a newly called barrister, i am concerned about the increasing cuts to legal aid. do you agree that the most vulnerable in society are being denied access to justice and would you support young legal aid lawyers to bring legal aid back to social welfare law and ensure young legal aid lawyers are enumerated fairly for the advice sessions they do? —— are remunerated fairly. robert jenrick, is a former lawyer yourself, the decimation of legal aid. i appreciate how difficult it can be especially when you start out

in your career at the bar. legal aid work, it's criminal work, and it's very difficult. as a result of that some people are not going into the professionals that we spend more money as a country on legal aid than any comparable country, more than france and germany. there is a significant budget of billions of pounds for legal aid. we have said we will spend more on the criminal justice system, particularly on prisons and those parts of the system that i do think now need investment. these are not easy choices. they were choices born out ofa choices. they were choices born out of a very difficult set of circumstances when we came in in 2010 when labour had crashed the economy. it was a global economic crisis. it wasn't the labour party. unless you're saying we controlled the world! the choice is the last labour government made. would you not have to nationalise the banks? be honest? would you have nationalised the banks? it was a global economic crisis. there was a

question and if we can respect that. we know borisjohnson has distanced himself from austerity despite being a cabinet member who signed off on austerity. in terms of your commitment now, the spending taps are back on. to this question, are you going to reinstate funding that has been lost to legal aid? we have said we will spend more on the criminal justice system said we will spend more on the criminaljustice system and that's asa criminaljustice system and that's as a result of nine years of economic growth with a high level of employment, the highest levels of employment, the highest levels of employment since records began. and food banks and child poverty. as a result of that strong economy we can invest more in our public services and that will be in the criminal justice system. is it specifically legal aid? criminaljustice more broadly and we will certainly invest more money. that's not a yes to legal aid at the moment. 20,000 police officers and education. disregard it if you will... it's

important to have clarity to the question. we can only afford to do this as a country if we have a strong economy. if we risk that by having an old —fashioned, strong economy. if we risk that by having an old—fashioned, far left labour government then there would be less money to fund all forms of service. bring it back to the original point, the question about legal aid but the original question, if we can get back to it. from aiden about meat consumption. jonathan ba rtley, as about meat consumption. jonathan bartley, as the co—leader of the green party, it would be slightly remiss not to talk to you about this. some have said while these sorts of ideas are laudable, that being ethical in all sorts of ways, whether it is through the food you eat, the planning that takes, it is a richer person's game. it's not affordable. we looked at the difference between a shampoo that doesn't have time i'll against a

soap that is more ethical in that respect and there is a great price difference. —— that doesn't have palm oil. being green in your personal life costs a lot more. bringing the austerity point together because they are two sides of the same coin. when i was born 40 something years ago... 48. thank you very much! we we re we were told we would have these technological breakthroughs and get away from our dependence on oil. the economy is three times as big, we have had the technological revolution and know how to harness the power of the sun and the tides. but we have seen rampant inequality, climate destruction and break down and now were on the verge of a mental health epidemic, stressed out and working longer hours than ever.

we can solve the climate emergency and notjust we can solve the climate emergency and not just stop we can solve the climate emergency and notjust stop posterity we can solve the climate emergency and not just stop posterity but reverse it if we are willing to make the right choices. as far as i can see we have the only one saying that we could have a hopeful vision where we could have a hopeful vision where we can cut bills by super insulating homes, we can get people out of theircars by homes, we can get people out of their cars by cutting public transport costs. if the climate where a bank frankly we would have bailed it out by now. as we had in the financial crisis, you have to pull out all the stops. and this green new deal covers agriculture, need transport, energy, every sector of the economy. we put this forward at the time of the financial crisis and we should have done it 12 years ago and then we would not be facing the same environmental destruction on our doorstep. in terms of your

position of getting arrested with extinction rebellion recently, wasting police time, the extinction rebellion protests also cost millions to police, any regrets about that at times when you say that resources are stretched? not at all because we are putting forward the solution and it has to be a political solution. we cannot invest more in the police, the money is there if her political will to do it. we know austerity was a lie and did not have to happen, people suffered needlessly and when you have extinction rebellion protesters pointing the finger at politicians and saying you have put our lives at risk, you're playing fast and loose with our future, you did not take that step 12 years ago you should have. this is the last means of resort and i'm proud to put my body on the line and stand in solidarity with them. adam, let's come to you. jonathan is right, the level, the

scale of the ecological and climate emergency we are facing is the biggest challenge that human civilisation has ever faced. politicians often lapse into hyperbole but everything ijust said is true, we are facing extinction of 1 million species on the planet, one in seven of all the species on this planet and so you are absolutely right to call on each and everyone of us to rise to the challenge. there is positive here as well, we are on a wet and windy island which has huge potential resources in terms of marine energy. if we had leadership deserve. negative interest rates, there has never been a better time to borrow to invest in creating the green infrastructure. the platform that the future, not only to address the environmental catastrophe that we will face if we do not change course but also the

economic dividend because the whole world is asking the same question, how do we decarbonise. if we build the future faster and first we will rea p the future faster and first we will reap an economic dividend because we will create the innovation that will solve the problems of the worlds and create an economic opportunity for wales, scotland, england and ireland. jo swinson. i think there are ireland. jo swinson. i think there a re two ireland. jo swinson. i think there are two things that need to happen, will need to take personal responsibility everything from recycling to hell we use packaging, to the economic decisions we make on how we spend our money and what we think about in terms of where food is coming from, is it sustainable, is coming from, is it sustainable, is it local. but ultimately it cannotjust be is it local. but ultimately it cannot just be something is it local. but ultimately it cannotjust be something that rests on each individual, the government has a job to do to make sure it is easier to make the decision that is the sensible decision. if you want to go and buy an electric car and do your bit in that way, you will find

it is incredibly expensive. the way to resolve that is to have government regulate so that car manufacturers have to bring forward the date by which they are not allowed to sell new petrol or diesel cars. this is important for climate in terms of global warming but also important right now. i want to tell you about allah, she should have been studying for her gcses right now but she is not. because when she was seven now but she is not. because when she was seven she now but she is not. because when she was seven she was now but she is not. because when she was seven she was diagnosed with asthma and when she was nine she died she died of polluted air because the air that she was breathing was impacting her lungs, the course of the poison that we are emitting and she is not the only person. 40,000 people per year emitting and she is not the only person. 40,000 people peryear die in our country because of dirty air. so if we get this right is not only that we are going to make sure that we hand onto the next generation a planet that can thrive but we will improve peoples health right now,

this is urgent, this is now and it cannot wait. humza yousaf. the fact that nigel said science would not settle things, science is literally there to settle things. you cannot argue with science. but the point i would make to aidan, and a young man he also mentioned this, we should be at the forefront and global leaders. we know china and india pollute. scotla nd we know china and india pollute. scotland is still part of the uk and not an independent nation as i would like but we are still leaving the uk. our targets go far beyond what experts say is needed. but i would also make this point to you as young people but i'm exceptionally proud

of the rail you have played in bringing this to the agenda, to the front of the agenda of all the politicians sitting here. i know the conservative government chided young people for skipping school and how dare you and it was terrible but the scottish government said well done because you brought the issue up the agenda exactly where it needs to be. thank you. now we are going to do something different and take a question that has been submitted outside of where we are, this has come from twitter, straight on to the point and i think everyone here would really appreciate it if our politicians were quick and straight to the point. not looking for a single word but quick answers if you can, comes from gillian. what would you do to bring trust back into politics, please answer without negatively referencing the opposition. adam. we table a bill in

parliament to make lying by politicians a criminal offence. much farage. reform the political system, bring back faith that we vote for things that are representative, that we do not have personal fraud ballots and do not have a house of lords filled up with the friends of former prime ministers. angela. i will not lie and i will call out the people who do. we will deliver on the outcome of the referendum in 2016 and leave the eu by the end of january. jo swinson. i will stick to my principles of wanting to remain in the eu whether that is popular or not. humza yousaf. hard not to reference collectively some other politicians but i will do my best and say we will fulfil the promises on the mandates of the manifesto was still done. jonathan bartley. we would lift the ceiling on the fines

issued by the electoral commission so that parties can get hit hard when they are caught out. thank you tojulian when they are caught out. thank you to julian for that. and when they are caught out. thank you tojulian for that. and thank you for answering those briefly and without being negative for a moment. just a clarification, dominic cannings who is the adviser to the prime minister has denied allegations of links between himself, vote leave and cambridge analytica. just to bring you that. let's go now to another question from maria bell. how can we be sure any future houses are generally affordable when private companies are expected to build the majority? robertjenrick, the are expected to build the majority? robert jenrick, the conservatives pledged to build 200,000 starter homes in 2013. none have been completed. you're absolutely right.

the previous administration chose not to pursue that but we have built 450,000 sustainable homes. we have built in the last year more homes in this country than any year by one in the last 30 years. there is a role in that for the state, we are now investing £9 billion in an additional number of affordable homes but were also trying to encourage through reforms to the planning system and for infrastructure the private sector as well because you need best to work together to deliver the number of homes that we need to in this country. we think we need to build about 300,000 homes every year and we believe that we are on course to achieve that but you have to have a very vibrant private sector and additional government strategies as well. can wejust

additional government strategies as well. can we just have a show of hands, how many of you here on your own property? —— own your own property? how many on the panel and your own property? i have a mortgage. but you do own it. let's just have a whip round, adam, could i ask all of you how old you wear when you first purchased a property, adam? 50. nigel was when you first purchased a property, adam? 50. nigelwas up 22 for when you first purchased a property, adam? 50. nigel was up 22 for the angela. late 20s. robert. 25. jo swinson. 26. humza yousaf. 27. jonathan. 26. but is it from the panel, in terms of where we are then, you were explaining what you have to do in the future, you are a secretary of state for housing and proud to be the first millennial in the cabinet to hold that position,

do you think that you are eligible? when you became an mp it was reported that she owned three homes when you are age 32. just to understand the electability there? i'm not going to apologise. for having had a career before going into politics. and it is a strange question from you, emma, i'm not going to apologise for having a successful wife who enables us to bite nice houses. the thing in politics, what do you do when you're out there and i have made it my personal mission as housing secretary to help more young people and people on low incomes onto the housing ladder. we are doing a numberof housing ladder. we are doing a number of things housing ladder. we are doing a numberof things in housing ladder. we are doing a number of things in the manifesto. 0ne number of things in the manifesto. one is to say that we are going to

offer a 30% discount to local first—time buyers to get a property in your own first—time buyers to get a property in yourown area. first—time buyers to get a property in your own area. another is to say that we will help you with your deposit which is the biggest challenge for most young people and we will say that we will create a market for 95% mortgages so you need a relatively small deposit and then we will have fixed low interest rates for the lifetime of that mortgage through serious, good interventions like that i genuinely believe that you can make owning a home an aspiration that you can achieve in life and that is what the conservative government will be trying to do if we are re—elected jo swinson, talking about deposits, you want to lend people their deposit for rent, is that right? the rent to own policy. is that changing the system? yes, many different things need to be done and there needs to be more social housing built as well as more housing built overall because the fundamental

problem, the contrast between those of us who are bit older and the panel and audience is that thatjust demonstrates how much more difficult it is now for young people to buy a property than it was 15 years ago. not everyone will be in that situation of being able to buy a property but many young people now would be able to afford the monthly mortgage repayments but they would not be able to have a deposit. and so the scheme we have is basically a rent to own seaward would pay your usual rant but over time that would build up equity within the home and at the end of 30 years you would own it outright. angela rayner, 150,000 social and council homes built per year with 100,000 built by councils. coming back to the question about future at home as being affordable and private companies expected to build them. the institute for fiscal studies said of your plan, till we have tens of not hundreds of thousands of construction workers lying idle who would be able next

week or next year or even in a couple of years to start doing this. i think the answer is almost certainly know. just another promise that seems unrealistic from the labour party? absolutely not and many people now are not being given the skills and that's why i would create a national education service so we can put people online to have those construction jobs for the future. i make no apologies for the 100,000 council homes we need making sure the contracts for tenancies is a minimum of three years and would have rent control in line with inflation. we can start to put that on line straightaway. we could start to create a national education system, to give people free education. we can start building 100,000 council houses. how can you talk about houses? you built 57 council houses in wales last

year. the year before that was zero. the year before that was zero. i'm holding you to account for your record. you have been in government for nine years. we have built more homes than the last labour government. we will create those jobs and those skills so we can get people into construction. the other difference is we will make brownfield sites available, instead of allowing planning laws so the green belt is taken, we will create community housing again and council housing where people can live with parks, recreational centres and genuine council housing. this idea of affordable housing, i'm not sure who can afford it, but most people can't afford to live at the moment, they are in private rented accommodation that is too high and they spent too much of their wages on itand they spent too much of their wages on it and it's a rip—off. they spent too much of their wages on it and it's a rip-off. adam price, the situation from your

perspective is what? perhaps there isa perspective is what? perhaps there is a rethink and we should move away from home ownership. it's certainly true that we are not building enough social housing and council houses for rent. the average of the last 28 years is about 15 a year. that's appalling. that's labour in wales? yes. 20,000 is about what we need dan green to continue at that rate for the next 15 years. —— and we need to continue. the average price of many of these, even in wales, by the way, is 150,000, 200,000. these are not affordable by any stretch of the imagination. we are putting resources in the wrong area and need to do something on social housing. in the meantime, we have to do something about generation rent, those renting in the private sector. we have to bring back rent control

and have the end to no fault evictions and have open—ended tenancies. those are all things in the labour manifesto in the westminster election. let's get that in westminster and we can get it across. then we can help. the point is, you are in power, in government in wales right now and you can get those passed. but there is austerity passed by the tory government. it's nothing to do with austerity, you could pass these laws where you are in power now and you are not doing it. going through the brexit party contract, nigel farage, there are no numbers about housing. the big problem is numbers. i'm afraid this generation are paying the price for a population explosion. 8 million more people living in the country than when tony blair came into power. we have not been able to plan for public housing and public services because we didn't know how many people would come. i think the argument about affordable housing being built, at the moment it is frankly not going to happen.

being built, at the moment it is frankly not going to happenm being built, at the moment it is frankly not going to happen. is that why you have not even promised a single house? what i do think we need to do is provide more council housing and more social housing, but to restore peoples trust, i think it has to be done by local councils and it must be for local people. let's ta ke it must be for local people. let's take a few comments. the lady here in the denim jacket. on the housing thing, reading the conservative manifesto, i was shocked and quite appalled to hear your plans for gypsies and travellers and the re movals gypsies and travellers and the re m ova ls of gypsies and travellers and the removals of a lot of rights in terms of removing their homes on private and public land. we have 400,000 people currently living in temporary accommodation, street homeless and unregistered homeless living on sofas and things like that. you want to eradicate gypsies and travellers so to eradicate gypsies and travellers so by the sounds of it, where do you wa nt so by the sounds of it, where do you want to put those people? putting your feelings to one side, where will you put them? because as far as i see will you put them? because as far as isee it,

will you put them? because as far as i see it, its ethnic cleansing, and it's the last acceptable races and you have pulled it out before every single general election because you know it will be appealing to middle england. i've had enough of it. what's the answer? we will come back to that in a moment. we want to get some more voices before the end of the programme. that gentleman there. would it be a good idea to get rid of things like buy to let schemes which drive up the price of housing? and from the back row? on a point robert made about the stuff government is doing, help to buy, help to buy ices, that's howl government is doing, help to buy, help to buy ices, that's how i got my house. —— help to buy isas. help to buy ices, that's how i got my house. -- help to buy isas. some people saying you can't get it any more. but that's how you got onto the property ladder. some questions. robert, if you can answer briefly because we have very little time left about the point made by the lady there. i appreciate the

question but she is not correct. 0f course we will not compromise the human rights of anyone in this country. we believe the planning system should apply equally to eve ryo ne system should apply equally to everyone and there are instances where travellers have done illegal encampments in peoples communities and we want to give stronger powers to the police and local authorities to the police and local authorities to move on those travellers will stop i think that is completely understandable. but where are you moving them to? wherever they wish to go, orto moving them to? wherever they wish to go, or to permanent sites. you don't have an answer. we will give more powers to create more permanent sites but we don't think it is right where we have a binding system that is unequal and some people have special rights within it and we want to change that. what about the hundred thousand children living in temporary accommodation? we have helped 250,000 temporary accommodation? we have helped 250 , 000 young temporary accommodation? we have helped 250,000 young people onto the housing ladder through help to buy and that will continue. and we have cut stamp duty, so unless you buy a very expensive property of £300,000,

you will not pay any stamp duty as a first—time buyer. you will not pay any stamp duty as a first-time buyer. there will be hundreds of children this christmas who will be homeless on sofas and thatis who will be homeless on sofas and that is a scourge of nine years of a tory government. you have not created council housing and social housing. with respect, more council housing. with respect, more council housing has been built in this country last year than in 13 years of the last labour government. you have not kept to your promise. we are building now 240,000 homes every year. that's the way to resolve this. 135,000 children is not a cheap political point. we need to get houses of all types built in this country, from private sector to council properties so more people can geta council properties so more people can get a safe and secure home. jonathan bartley? on buy to let, yes, housing is become a speculative commodity and we have forgotten it

should be about being a home for people. we would introduce rent controls, absolutely. we would also build 100,000 council homes per year. we have 4.5 million economically inactive people so i support angela's point about the work force. and a land tax is a radical proposal to bring land back into use. we desperately need a greater supply of land. a lot of developers are sitting around and waiting for land to increase in value, benefiting from the infrastructure we put around it, that will pay for through taxes. they then cash it in in five or ten years and that land is lying empty. a land value tax will stop we would abolish council tax and business rates and bring in land tax to move the shift onto landowners. all the other parties will be speaking about this in three or four years. other parties will follow the greens. but thatis parties will follow the greens. but that is the future. the issue of new houses being genuinely affordable.

homeownership? going back to that specific point in a second but the lady in the second row to the left, she hit the nail on the head. it is a lwa ys she hit the nail on the head. it is always a few days before an election that the dog whistler in chief, and he's on this panel, nigel farage, blaming everything on immigrants. i'm not making this up. nigel was once late to a ukip reception and blamed the traffic on the motorway on immigrants. it's ludicrous, he blames every social ill. 8 million extra people has made our roads are busier. do you not accept that? immigrants have contributed more to the society than they have ever taken. i know that you don't like fa cts . taken. i know that you don't like facts. i'm giving you a fact, 8 million people more in the country.

all talk at once holding that point, four of you speaking at the same time. we have a talented audience and viewers but they cannot hear. in the scottish government we have response ability for housing and have built 87,000 more affordable homes and the vast majority for social rent and we are on target for 2021. one of the best things we did was abolish the right to buy council houses will stop when the conservatives sold off council houses, and labour sold off council houses, and labour sold off council houses, they replaced one in five. why is the deficit at 7%? that has nothing to do with housing. the deficit is at 7% because we are a united... it to do with your physical capabilities. you wish to bea physical capabilities. you wish to be a member of the european union separate to england and wales, you wa nt to separate to england and wales, you want to be independent but you can't join the european union because you

have to be at 3%. you are wrong on two counts. first of all, having a 7% deficit while we are part of the united kingdom is hardly a great advert for staying within the uk. if we had the full powers of independence we could operate all our fiscal levers. hold independence we could operate all ourfiscal levers. hold on, i didn't interrupt you! the second point is incredibly important. you are wrong about it being a barrier tojoining the eu. croatia, poland and hungary all had a deficit higher than 3% and joined the eu. i absolutely respect that on this panel and in this audience there are differences of opinion on independence, but please don't patronise the scottish people by saying you are far too poor. every other northern european country can be independent. every other northern european country can be independentm swinson is a scot next to you.” think it's really important that there is an honesty about this? honesty?! you stand there advocating

for independence and there is a perfectly reasonable question that the scottish deficit is 7% and across the uk it is 1%. there is an obvious question, what would happen in an independent scotland? there is a perfectly reasonable point of view that says, i want scotland to be independent and recognise there would be a big hit to the economy and we would be poorer. what we were trying to say is somehow there would be magic tools that you could do something differently. you each have one minute, a final thought.” something differently. you each have one minute, a finalthought. i don't say that. when it comes to independence i'm not saying there's going to be rivers of milk and honey falling from the sky and it will be perfectly rosy. what i am saying is we have a plan to reduce that deficit. i can't run over. i would increase the spending in line with real terms, but not as high as related to gdp. we are going to have to leave you there. thank you very much to the panel. 0ur to leave you there. thank you very much to the panel. our time is up. the last question time before we go

to the polls in three days' time. we will be back the day after the election, friday the 13th. that will be from wandsworth in london with fiona bruce from 8:30pm. the number to call is on your screen if you wa nt to to call is on your screen if you want to be in the audience or you can visit the question time website will stop thank you to the panel, the audience for coming and to you at home for listening and watching. from here in york to all of you, thank you so much and good night.

tonight at ten: three days to polling day and the nhs is once again at the heart of the election campaign. borisjohnson was on the campaign trail tonight after a day of being accused of not caring for the plight of nhs patients. it followed a report in today's press about a young boy with suspected pneumonia who had to sleep on the floor of a hospital in leeds. 4o 40 new hospitals... i'm talking about this boy. how do you feel? look at it now...