tv Election 2019 BBC News December 13, 2019 2:00pm-3:01pm GMT
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very bullish and effervescent boris johnson with a big majority to play with. this is our election special. good afternoon. you join us live in westminster where borisjohnson is beginning a new term as prime minister after the conservatives won their biggest majority since 1987. the tory leader returned to downing street earlier after visiting buckingham palace to ask the queen for permission to form a government. overnight his gamble to hold a december election paid off. he now has a majority of 78 and a mandate, he says, to leave the eu.
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with this mandate and this majority we will at last be able to do what? get brexit done! labour perfomed poorly, losing 59 seats — many of them in places they've held for decades. jeremy corbyn says he'll stand down as leader early next year. i think the responsible thing to do is not to walk away from the whole thing and i won't do that. i will stay here until there has been somebody elected to succeed me and then i will step down at that point. a strong result for the snp who now hold 48 seats out of 59 in scotland. nicola sturgeon says it sends a clear message for a second independence referendum. that independence referendum, that was very much at the heart of the snp's campaign — there's a renewed, refreshed, strengthened mandate for that.
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liberal democrat leaderjo swinson quits after she loses her own seat to the snp and the party fails to improve its position at westminster. we will hear from her in a moment. we will hear from her in a moment. we will hear from her in a moment. we will be drilling into the numbers it is up new and show you where the seats have swapped hands and pick up the trends that explain why a large pa rt the trends that explain why a large part of this map is now blue. and euphoric, gutted, delighted, devastated, heartbroken, puzzled, triumphant. some of the words used by voters here in birmingham to describe how they feel about the 2019 general election. that afternoon and welcome to viewers here in the uk on bbc one and the bbc news channel and around the globe on bbc world news.
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the conservative party has secured an overwhelming win in the general election. the prime minister borisjohnson now has a majority of 78 with one straight to central london and jo swinson, the lib dems leader who lost her seat and quit as leader. there are many forces that seek to divide us, to allow resentment and fear to fester, and if we want to be that open—minded, warm—hearted society, we need to stand up, join together and fight for it. i'm proud in selection to have fought for what we and millions of people believe is the best future for our country. remaining in the european union. when 19 labour mps helped pass boris johnson's brexit deal in the house of commons, it was clear we had to act. we forced johnson to request an extension to article 50 but without
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labour support could not assemble a majority for a people's vote, leaving a general election as the only chance to remain in the eu. so, idid not only chance to remain in the eu. so, i did not shirk the debates and phone—ins, i'd turned up to the interviews and stood up proudly for oui’ interviews and stood up proudly for our beliefs. i'm proud liberal democrats have been the unapologetic voice of remain in this election, giving people the chance to choose to stop brexit. obviously it has not worked. and i, like you, iam devastated about that. i don't regret trying. trying everything to. because the prize was to save our future, our children's future, in europe, where we can work together to tackle climate emergency, trade freely to boost our living standards and bea freely to boost our living standards and be a strong beacon for human rights around the world. we have
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been true to ourselves and true to oui’ been true to ourselves and true to our liberal values. and as your leader, i have been true to myself as well. as a scot, a brit, a european, as a liberal, humanist, a feminist. is a daughter, sister, wife and a mum to two small kids. being myself, whether people attacked my vision or my voice, my ideas or my earrings, one of the realities of smashing glass ceilings is that a lot of broken glass down on your head. so i am proud to have been the first woman to lead the liberal democrats. i'm even more proud that i will not be the last. in sarah, vera matt christine and leila we have four fantastic and experienced women mps and in daisy and wendy we have exciting new talent. they will take the commons
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by storm. as i have travelled the country during this campaign, i have loved meeting so many lib dems members and activists, and the team really have been extraordinary with oui’ really have been extraordinary with our party at our highest membership numbers in our. you have shone with optimism, courage and determination. thank you all for everything you have done. and i would like to say a special thank you to my staff, both in my leader's office and constituency, you are all amazing. together we have refused to simply be spectators, sitting on the sidelines while our country heads down a damaging path of which brexit is only the first step. our country is only the first step. our country is in the grip of populism, with nationalism resurgent in all its forms. it is easy to despair. but i
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say, let's foster hope instead. in rebecca saw meite's hope in the dark she quotes, "the kind of hope i often think about, i understand a bubble as a state of mind, not a state of the world. hope in this deep and powerful sense is not the same asjoy deep and powerful sense is not the same as joy when things go well or willingness to invest in enterprises that are obviously headed for early success , that are obviously headed for early success, but rather an ability to work for something because it is good, not just because work for something because it is good, notjust because it stands a chance to succeed." she goes on to say, "hope is not a door but i sent there might be a door at some point, some way out of the problems of the present moment even before that way is found or followed." there will be a door, there will be a way out of this nationalist surge, and we have to work together to find it. it is a
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hugejob to be done. the to work together to find it. it is a huge job to be done. the answer is we stepped up, we organise, wejoin together. but i will not be your leader, but i will be walking alongside you point it we will reflect, regroup and refresh. we must continue to grow our liberal movement, both attracting lib dems members and reaching out to work with those who share our values wherever they are. all of us who share an alternative vision for society have a responsibility to learn from this result and find new a nswe i’s. learn from this result and find new answers. next week is the shortest day. we will see more light in the future. join us for thatjourney, let's explore the way together. with hopein let's explore the way together. with hope in our hearts. thank you. applause
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jo swinson speaking publicly for the first time in central london since she quit as leader and lost her seat of east dunbartonshire, saying she was proud that her party had been the unapologetic voice of remain and wa nt of the unapologetic voice of remain and want of a nationalist surge in both england and scotland that she said the lib dems would continue to fight. we can bring in our panel. with me now are the editor of the spectator fraser nelson, what you heard was a woman and a leader unapologetically still following the remain voice. two yea rs following the remain voice. two years ago when theresa may lost her majority, i remember watching the panels are people saying this is the end of hard brexit and the end of scottish independence. when she says this is the end of remain, do you accept it is, or rather we think it
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is, is that it now? it is because remy becomes rejoin and britain will be leaving the eu next month so those who want to go back in will have to make a more difficult argument to put the strange thing is that she was the only party of remain, when labour declared neutrality, but the lib dems ought to have picked up a lot of votes if it was that important to them but amazing, that only real party of remain in the election did not pick up remain in the election did not pick upa single remain in the election did not pick up a single extra seat. what was the remain alliance main problem? if they still thought they had half the nation on their side, why couldn't they garner that into votes? because there was no alliance. there was no coordination between the liberals and the labour party. yesterday i was in kensington, which went to the tories by 150 votes in the end although there was a big majority against the conservatives and people are utterly confused about whether they should be voting lib dems or labour. 150 votes is how it went. it was the responsibility of the remain
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parties, if they were serious, to get together and agreed to stand down in constituencies where the other had a chance of winning through. borisjohnson other had a chance of winning through. boris johnson and other had a chance of winning through. borisjohnson and dominic cummings were brilliant in this election because they united the leave vote and the remain vote was utterly split. we know it was probably 52 for the remain parties and 48 for leave, perversely, because they could not coordinate, they could not stand back from their owi'i they could not stand back from their own self interest and they both thought they had the magic tusk that would mean voters would flock to them and therefore they lost —— magic touch. is about the coordination of the parties or do you think voters were prepared to go into tactical voting? probably not to that degree because there are real divisions between labour and the lib dems and i also think that a great many people who hoped that britain would stay in the eu could not tolerate jo swinson's declaration she would revoke article 50. of course it came with caveats
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but a lot of people who hoped the country it might democratically decide to remain in a second refe re nt decide to remain in a second referent thought we can't say to people that we're just going to ignore what you said —— second referendum but you have to give a second not say shut up, we weren't listening to. the mandate boris johnson has its huge which means in one sense they have to own whatever happens next, they have to own the leaving process and own the the growing of the economy and britain's future on the world stage for the next five, possibly ten years. and have to... they can't blame anyone else? certainly not with a majority of this size, everything that happens now will happen because the conservative majority government will make it happen. but i don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. it's funny, we have spent so long without having a government in proper control, with david cameron having to kowtow to the lib dems, theresa may and then borisjohnson being bashed about by various tory factions. we have almost forgotten what it's like to have a proper
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government with a decent majority that does have 100% of the responsibility. that is how our democracy has tended to work, for good orfor ill democracy has tended to work, for good or for ill and democracy has tended to work, for good orfor ill and everything that happens i will be on borisjohnson and the tories. do think it brings relief? even from people who would never have chosen a government, does it sense of direction of certainty i will never bring relief?” it sense of direction of certainty i will never bring relief? i think it does because i speak as a remainer and somebody was totally opposed to borisjohnson's personality, character, record, ithink borisjohnson's personality, character, record, i think he borisjohnson's personality, character, record, ithink he has lied and cheated his way to this election. however, the country has voted for him. he is now somebody, having always run away from the responsibly tea of the leave vote, he will now have to measure up to the enormous promises he's made to the enormous promises he's made to the country put the thing about this election is that he basically avoided all scrutiny, it came down toa avoided all scrutiny, it came down to a handful of very simple slogans. get brexit done, spent the proceeds,
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improve peoples lives, deal with the problems of crime and police and hospitals. those were grand, bland promises. people didn't seem to mind too much. they didn't because they projected a great deal of hope onto him. and i'm looking forward to this ina way him. and i'm looking forward to this in a way and thinking, fine, boris johnson w made the promises, you can't now hide behind anybody else and play anything that now happens on parliament or the opposition or the eu. you have free reign so please, would you prove to the nation that you have what it takes. i think we all fed up with the indecision of the past few years. britain has been paralysed, there is fio britain has been paralysed, there is no growth in the economy, we know there are huge problems that have to be dealt with i hope you can hang on. jeremy corbyn has called his party's performance in the election "disappointing" and has been laying out his plans for what happenes next. this is what he had to say... well, the national executive will have to meet of course, in the very near future,
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and it is up to them, they will make that decision, not me. but what i hope is that there will be a period where we can have a good discussion within the party and i think that is healthy and that is to be very welcome. and i hope those that were inspired by our manifesto will actuallyjoin the party and take part in that discussion. it's up to them to set a programme for when the election will take place. it will be in the early part of next year. quite often leaders stand down straightaway after a general election defeat like this but i mean, this is a catastrophic defeat. many people would expect you to step down straightaway. i was elected to lead the party and i think the responsible thing to do is not to walk away from the whole thing and i won't do that but i will stay here until there has been somebody elected to succeed me and then i will step down at that point. jeremy corbyn speaking earlier. richard burgon is the labour shadow justice minister. lord david blu nkett justice minister. lord david blunkett told the world at one that the labour party is so lacking in any contrite belief that they made a
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mistake to stop i haven't heard one of them apologise to all those who lost their seats last night. as a front bench labour member would you like to do that now? i was heartbroken for two reasons last night. firstly, when i think of people, like one of my heroes, dennis skinner. people like my friend laura pidcock and those fantastic colleagues who lost their seat. secondly i was heartbroken when i think of people who i met in my constituency and across the country who desperately wanted and desperately needed a labour government in order to scrap universal credit, end the bedroom tax, have a £10 per hour minimum wage, andi tax, have a £10 per hour minimum wage, and i am deeply disappointed that the result because five years of misery for the people we seek to represent. i will take that as a no, your party is not very good at apology. you are heartbroken and disappointed but there will be many people who look out the fact you we re people who look out the fact you were repeatedly told you were going down the wrong track and you come out of the election having lost 2.5
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million labour votes. what we have to do is analyse objectively and with humility exactly where... where is the humility because we haven't heard anyone say, i think this is my mistake. we need to analyse where we lost votes in parts of the country. we lost votes to the snp in scotland... looking at the 100 years of labour holding. that's what i'm coming on to. small towns in the north that voted lee. we lost votes to the brexit party and conservative party. in london we lost votes to the lib dems which allowed the conservatives to pip us. you lost votes everywhere, 2.5 million votes. at that stage, who takes responsibility and says, i will put up my responsibility and says, i will put up my hand, i got this wrong and i lost good people, their work. we all need to take responsibility, just as
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after 1997-2010 need to take responsibility, just as after 1997—2010 when a labour government did fantastic things, but lost 5 million votes in that time. but they were in government three times. but they lost 5 million votes in that time and everybody in the party had to reflect with humility how we lost those votes and how we get them back. tony blair was the biggest electoral asset you have ever had. he won three elections. you have lost four and you don't seem to see that as a problem. of course i see it as a problem. unlike many people in the media, every day i have to speak to people who are suffering because of conservative austerity. every month that my advice sessions i have to help people suffering tough times. what do you tell them and how it went wrong for them? they didn't get what they wanted, a labour government. but why is that? i am trying to work out. i will answer. what went wrong is it became a brexit election. the
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next election will not be that. looking at 2017, we gained 3 million votes, and 2019 where we have suffered a bad defeat was up we have the same leader, the same shadow chancellor, the same shadow home secretary and a very similar ma nifesto. secretary and a very similar manifesto. one was an election where we didn't quite win... the other... but you say it was a big surprise. why couldn't labour win a brexit election? the only change between 2017 and 19 is that brexit became an issue that overshadowed traditional party loyalties. people got to know jeremy corbyn better and people disliked anti—semitism within the party. people understood that those who signed off on article 50 were perhaps not standing by that any more. but to repeat the question, why couldn't labour fight a brexit election? it did not come out of the blue. it's very hard for a party
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that supports communities who voted leave and remain. there is no solution. tory voters work remain and leave and they found a way through. conservative voters did largely vote to leave. there is no simple solution, for those who say if you had been more pro—remain you would have won, but looking at the lib dems, even their leader lost.“ it not the simple difference between having a party that knows what it is going to do and says, arguably repeatedly what it will do, and having a party where there is no clear direction of the leadership and having a leader who feels he is not even obliged to make that known, who feels it is wrong for people to ask him to make that known. who feels it is wrong for people to ask him to make that knownlj who feels it is wrong for people to ask him to make that known. i think it's right that on the issue of brexit we try to bring people together. that didn't work. the conservative narrative of get brexit done, it's a brexit election, worked. we need to objectively analyse with humility, what
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happened, where we lost votes and to whom in different parts of the country. but there is no future in the labour party in watering down opposition to austerity or trying to triangulate our way back into power. you will forgive me if people listen to this and hear echoes of theresa may two years ago standing on the steps and saying nothing has changed. you are doing that now. things have changed and we need to analyse. i know you need to analyse with objectivity and humility, you have said it three times, but at some point you have to say, as ed miliband did within minutes of his defeat, i totally accept responsibility for this defeat and we will get rid of the man at the helm and we will start again. and we will not cling on to whatever that group or cult or inner bubble was. we will reach out to labour voters and labourmps and we will reach out to labour voters and labour mps and labour activists that we have completely lost. isn't
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that we have completely lost. isn't that what has to happen now?|j that we have completely lost. isn't that what has to happen now? i am a big admirer of ed miliband. when i was first elected in 2015i sent him a text saying i hope he would stay on as leader. i hope there will be a rid time of reflection now. jeremy has said he will stand down in the new year. it's right now that we have a period of reflection. we need to analyse the fact the distribution of votes was clearly a disaster for labour but we still got more votes than we did when we have won elections previously, so we need to have a cold, hard headed and objective analysis of what went wrong. if we rush to judgment we could get it wrong. do you want to offer an apology and so you are sorry? offer an apology and so you are i offer an apology and so you are sorry? i am deeply sorry and the labour party takes full responsibility for the fact we are not in government. the fact peoples lives will be made worse by the thatcherite policies of a conservative government under boris johnson and the cuts and privatisation he will push through. that breaks my heart because every
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week i help people at the hard end of conservative cuts. thank you, richard burgon. ithink of conservative cuts. thank you, richard burgon. i think we will be going to wales. in wales, the conservatives performed strongly, though labour remained the largest party. i'm joined from cardiff by the conservative mp stephen crabb who held his seat of preseli in pembrokeshire. what's going to happen now to the leadership in wales? i know you and alun cairns have both left. who's next? if you are talking about the job of secretary of state for wales, i don't know what the prime minister will do without. there is a position to be filled and there are able people around. people like david davies and new welsh mps coming through so there are options on the table. do you find it strange that a man fired as welsh secretary can
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still be an mp for his constituents? he had this very difficult issue to address at the start of the election campaign. it was a bad judgment of character, it was what he knew about a suspect in a rape trial. we talked about it at the time and he knew if he went into the campaign he would be asked about it. when he went to the doorsteps of his constituency would have to front up on that issue. he has been re—elected an increased majority so people in the vale of glamorgan have chosen to stick with alun cairns and who are we to say the constituents are wrong? i guess you are a party who can decide what kind of candidate you want to put forward. sure. there isa you want to put forward. sure. there is a ministerial investigation that was launched by the prime minister into alun cairns. that is ongoing. as far as into alun cairns. that is ongoing. as farasi into alun cairns. that is ongoing. as far as i understand it, and i into alun cairns. that is ongoing. as faras i understand it, and i am not privy to wear these things are at but it's an ongoing process.
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there is due process at work. a decision was taken to allow alun cairns to have a go at keeping his seat, and he has with an increased majority. clearly the issues that led to his resignation have not gone away and there will be an outcome to the ministerial investigation. i have no idea where that will go. stephen crabb, thank you. two of the three wolverhampton seats in the west midlands saw the conservatives gain from labour. phil mackie is there. what happened on the night? they very nearly won all three in the end. the conservatives were probably stocked by winning the third seat which is held by labour mp pat mcfadden, 2500 people voted for the brexit party and the majority in that constituency was just 1000. the other two seats, emma reynolds and eleanor smith lost their seats last night as part of a blue wave across
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the west midlands, as they won stoke—on—trent, west bromwich, dudley and two out of three seats in wolverhampton, since they have never really won from labour, certainly not ina really won from labour, certainly not in a generation. the question is, are those people therefore good, and why as a labour voted did you switch this time or what do you think went wrong? questions that will be asked right around the country. i know you had a video of some people you spoke to. we've got five years now to get things done, and we can get brexit done, on time at the end ofjanuary, and get this country moving and thank goodness we have removed the stranglehold of the hung parliament. iabstained because i thought they were both... i thought boris johnson, you don't trust, and the others, i think i've got more sense than them! what about labour now? how would they win your trust back? if they got someone, a better leader, and better people who you think would be good in the cabinet.
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i'm not a corbyn supporter, but i prefer the policies that they had over what the conservatives had. even though you are not a corbyn supporter, you still voted labour? yeah. so what do you think labour should do now to try to win the country back? get rid ofjeremy corbyn, i guess. wolverhampton south west, where i am right now, it used to be enoch powell, it has flipped between conservative and labour over the yea rs. conservative and labour over the years. wolverhampton north east has a lwa ys years. wolverhampton north east has always been regarded as a safe labour seat. really in wolverhampton, a change, just like other parts of the west and east midlands. this is where boris johnson has won his majority will stop people probably today thinking wolverhampton celebrating their 4—0 win in the europa league last night and wolves will still be playing european football this year, as much
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as they are thinking about the general election. that puts us all in our place, football dominating the pub talk tonight rather than the politics that we have been speaking about for the last day or two! the shadow brexit secretary sir keir starmer has been giving his reaction to labour's poor performance. there is no hiding from the results. they are devastating for our party and for our movement. but most importantly, they will cause even more hurt to the millions of people who have suffered so much under a tory government. we have to reflect on this, and we have to do that together as a party under movement and try to properly understand this result. but it's also our duty to rebuild our party and our movement and that's going to be a very big task. would you like to be the next leader? this is the time for reflecting and understanding the result. i don't underestimate the size of the task ahead as we try to
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rebuild our party and our movement. thank you. macro keir starmer, someone who looks like he's just been for a long run to try and figure out the chaos of the night before. this was from sadiq khan. your thoughts? the defeat was breathtaking for labour, particularly in its former labour heartlands in the north, in north wales. they had already lost scotla nd wales. they had already lost scotland and listening to richard berg ina scotland and listening to richard berg in a moment ago, there is a sense from people like sadiq khan, the mayor of london, that the response from the leadership and front bench has been too understated, and they have not shown contrition as you said, not apologised for a campaign that
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clearly backfired. and i have not faced up to the complaints that have come from the inside about the issue of brexit on the doorstep and the personal issue ofjeremy corbyn. the question now for the labour party is, it is the end of corbyn's leadership, if not immediately then certainly in the next few months, but is it the end of corbynism? that isa but is it the end of corbynism? that is a question perhaps for the ilford north mp wes streeting. you think this will signal a sea change and the end of corbynism? it has to. i feel like i've been hit by a bus this morning despite having returned to parliament myself and i've lost so to parliament myself and i've lost so many good friends and really good colleagues, communities that labour has represented for the best part of a century that no longer have a labourmp a century that no longer have a labour mp pulled at this stage, after a historic defeat like this, if we are not responding in an equally seismic way, we are sending a message to all of those voters, particularly lifelong labour voters who have given us an almighty kicking, that somehow were not going
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to change. what i would say to jeremy corbyn, richard burgin, whose interview i listen to, they had everything they wanted at this election could have had the leader they wanted, the national executive committee they wanted, the manifesto the wanted, even the brexit policy they wanted from conference. they sacked so many people in the senior leadership of the labour party itself experience of running election campaigns, the headquarters they wanted. they had everything. the one thing they could not have and did not have control of was the electorate. and the labour party has once again learned a painful lesson that hard left politics of the type we have put forward to this country do not suffer encounters with the electorate very well i'm afraid the labour party does need change but it's not about triangulation or embracing tory austerity cuts, that's not what i came into politics for, it's about having a mainstream centre—left for, it's about having a mainstream ce ntre—left politics that for, it's about having a mainstream centre—left politics that can win the trust and confidence of the country so we the trust and confidence of the country so we can govern, the trust and confidence of the country so we can govern, govern the trust and confidence of the country so we can govern, govern in the interests of the many are not a few. help me understand this then. because many outside your party and
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within it believe this was the wrong strategy and said so focally. were there enough mps in the plp that thought that maybe this could work and it is right and we will give it and it is right and we will give it a shot, or was it a cowardice that stopped you from, i don't know, overturning what we have just seen? ifi overturning what we have just seen? if i can be honest because i think you have to be in the aftermath of an election like this, there is ple nty of an election like this, there is plenty of blame to go around but i stand by everything i have said aboutjeremy stand by everything i have said about jeremy corbyn over the last four and about jeremy corbyn over the last fourand a about jeremy corbyn over the last four and a half years but if i'm honest, what i said to him in may, and in the parliamentary labour party, i think i was the only labour mp that called for his resignation in this parliament, i said that what people are saying in the tea room but will not say to your face, jeremy, is that you are a bigger problem for labour on the doorstep than brexit. i think it's in the best interest of the party you make way for a leader that could win. he didn't and that is his choice. he owns this result and the people around him and his cheerleaders do.
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iwould i would just i wouldjust say i would just say to the new parliamentary labour party, there was a big responsibility, a collective responsible to resting on our shoulders because let me tell you, we did not lose the election because of a lack of hard work from our activists. hundreds of thousands of labour members in probably unprecedented numbers have been knocking on doors and pounding street and it was just about legwork, we would have won a landslide but it's about the politics and the leadership and it is about having a manifesto that offers real change for the country. what i heard about the manifesto, even though there were lots of policies i could point to and say i would have been proud to vote for them, the problem is it is a bit like a paint by numbers. you go through in your painting number one and numbertwo and through in your painting number one and number two and in the end you wonder what why you don't have a rembrandt. what i heard on the doorstep was how would you pay for this, i worried this will hurt me, i'm worried it will hurt my business. i want to see where this goes from here. that something about
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the watershed moment of any election that makes people, as you know, speak truth and how they feel. everybody is tired and you can see the light suddenly. but if you go down the same route, with a similar leader, are you going to stand up and say no to that or say, we have got to be a broad church and allow momentum and rebecca long—bailey to ta ke momentum and rebecca long—bailey to take on the corbyn message if that is the way the leadership goes? i'm trying to work out... it is a fair question. do you have to be of one voice or is it good to have rebellion in a party? i think two things, three things to change. one is on the economy we need to make sure our policies are credible to secondly on our world view, people need to know we will stand up for our country and its defence and security and thirdly we need to get rid of racism, particular anti—semitism, from our ranks. in terms of the answers, all i would
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say is that through our history, know one person, no one tradition in the labour party has a monopoly of virtue and wisdom so we have to come together and in a way that the libs are frankly what was promised but never delivered, kind agenda politics, a genuinely democratic party and includes policy making but i think the next labour leader has to be someone who can bring together a broad based team that can take this result on the chin, offer a vision of change. at this stage it is not about names. if i'm blunt about this, i think part of what we have heard in the last 24 hours about blaming brexit for the defeat is notjust about blaming brexit for the defeat is not just about trying to make excuses for poor political leadership but i think it's about trying to kneecap credible candidates like keir starmer and emily thornberry before they're out of the traps. before we get to the personalities, let's get the policies right. let's hear from these candidates. have you understood the call for change? do you have the answers and the skills and courage to lead that change? thank you very much indeed. you are
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watching election. now we are going to sweep across our newsroom , which, as you can see, is a hive of activity and over to our election results centre with christian fraser who has been looking at the performance of the lib dems. that's right and listening tojo swinson at the top of the hour, i thought we would look at the liberal democrat performance and bluntly, they have been crushed. jo swinson losing her seat, none of the defectors from the labour and conservative parties who join them have been able to hold on and win any of those seats and you look at this, one, pending the result in st ives and we are due to get that result in the next hour, they have gone backwards from 2017 which seemed almost impossible. they would point you to the vote share and when you look at that, they performed best on the night, putting on 1.2 million votes but that is a pyrrhic victory whenjo million votes but that is a pyrrhic victory when jo swinson was million votes but that is a pyrrhic victory whenjo swinson was of course running to be prime minister.
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looking at her seat, east dunbartonshire which is in the central belt above glasgow and it is a brutal sport, politics! central belt above glasgow and it is a brutalsport, politics! she central belt above glasgow and it is a brutal sport, politics! she lost by 149. the 7% vote share the snp put on was by 149. the 7% vote share the snp put on was average across by 149. the 7% vote share the snp put on was average across the board on the night and that is the swing from the lib dems to the snp. talking about st ives because we will have that result shortly. this could be a face saver for the lib dems. it has changed hands obit that yea rs dems. it has changed hands obit that years and it is a leave area. although the majority is only 312, if it follows the pattern, you might think the conservatives will hold on. at the moment keeping that as close to call. emily, you were talking with your guests about how the remain vote had been split i wa nt to the remain vote had been split i want to pick out a couple city of london, chuka umunna, did very well and you can see that. but look at that, he split the vote and the conservatives...
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that, he split the vote and the conservatives. . . forgive that, he split the vote and the conservatives... forgive us, we are going to toro. the last declaration. this is the declaration of the result of the poll for the st ives constituency. this is the last declaration for the six constituencies of cornwall and i just want to pay my thanks to the thousands of staff that have been involved in the election here in cornwall for their hard work and their planning in what has been difficult circumstances, particularly here in st ives. and thank you as well to the candidates and agents for your support while we have sought to bring forward and deliberate this results in as timely a way as possible, given the adverse weather conditions that we have been facing. i weather conditions that we have been facing. lam weather conditions that we have been facing. i am now going to move to this declaration. being the acting returning officer at the above election, i do hereby give notice that the number of votes recorded
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for each candidate at the said election is as follows. alana louise bates, labour party, 3553. ian edward flindall, green party, 964. andrew george, liberal democrats, 21,085. applause john richard harris, the common people, 132. robert lee smith, the liberal party, 314. derek thomas, the conservative party candidate,
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25,365. cheering the number of ballot papers rejected was as follows, for want of an official mark, five, voting for more candidates than they were entitled to, 13, being unmarked or wholly void for uncertainty, 93, giving a total rejected ballot papers of 111. the total number of ballot papers issued was 51,524, giving for this constituency a turnout of 74.89%. and i do hereby declare that derek thomas is duly elected as a member of parliament for the st ives constituency. applause there we have it, a full house, all the 650 results are now in and that isa the 650 results are now in and that is a conservative hold for derek thomas you can see at the podium,
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the conservative mp. it is not going to bea the conservative mp. it is not going to be a night for the lib dems, down to be a night for the lib dems, down to the very last. andrew george had fought this before and held this before it was fighting to take it from the conservatives but u nsuccessfully. from the conservatives but unsuccessfully. that is the full number of constituencies now counted. the last hexagon can find its place in the piazza! i willjust show you this shortcoming in from downing street. the podium is out, it is getting dark so quickly but you can probably see now that this isa you can probably see now that this is a signal that there will be a statement from the prime minister very shortly. it is one he chose not to do immediately after his visit to buckingham palace to the queen, and indeed, everything seems to be done ata indeed, everything seems to be done at a slightly more leisurely pace
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than we have seen in past times. this is a prime minister who can just take a while and pause and come out and make a statement in his own time. we will come back to that as soon as time. we will come back to that as soon as the prime minister comes out but now we had to victoria derbyshire who is with voters in birmingham. a couple of lib dems voters holding their breath for the sent ives result but it wasn't to be and now your mood? gutted. what went wrong forjo swinson? either could relate to her, she was a mum in her 30s and i liked her policies that there was a feeling she did not have enough experience and was too young for it. what you think? looking back, the decision tojust revoke brexit with a strategic error and she faced criticism over that. is it just now you're thinking that? on
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reflection they have to learn the lessons from that. the lib dems, looking ahead, they have a lot of thinking to do. they have and if they are to be the party of remain and have a close relationship with the european union, i doubt whether nigel farage would have just accepted the remain may grab lost in 2016, i think the lib dems have got to bounce back from this. thank you, i will move over here. i will move over here, thank you to you both. here we have a green photo, conservative and a labour voter. it wasn't the election you wanted? it is disappointing for the green party, just one seat again. but for me it's about the taking part. we have informed the national policy for the country on environmental issues, climate change and global warming. we have done that for a long time. the labour green new deal was informed by the green new deal was informed by the green party. may be your work is
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done? its not done, there is a long way to go. we have had people out on the streets, extinction rebellion in trafalgar square. globally there is an issue with global warming, with industrialising and developing nations, their output is really bad. there is a long way to go, but i am disappointed for the grassroots activists. where does responsibility live for this fourth labour election defeat? the responsibility lies at the top. jeremy corbyn, leader of the top. jeremy corbyn, leader of the party, he has lost the election and he has lost it spectacularly. from that point of view, for me, he has to step down and quickly. at the same time! has to step down and quickly. at the same time i take heart from people like keir starmer. we have to have a period of reflection where labour has to understand what has gone wrong. for me, this election was not just about the seats that have been lost and not just about brexit, because it was a brexit election,
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but somebody who is not from london. lam from but somebody who is not from london. i am from bolton, i live in birmingham. it is important and remains important that the leadership reflects those voices from those places. what do you think about leigh, wigan, bury, hayward, rochdale, workington, blyth valley, don valley, sedgefield, bassetlaw, birmingham has its first conservative mp since 1992. west bromwich east, a couple of wolverhampton seats are conservative. there is a lot of work to do for labour. there is, and when tony blair came to power these are the kind of places you had to return orwin the kind of places you had to return or win over. the journey ahead for labour is how to win back those people who for the first time voted for the conservative party. and how do you win them back? for me it was about slogans. the answer from the conservatives is, will they go beyond slogans and win the trust of
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the people who have invested in those slogans, to get something done. somehow labour has to provide a viable answer. if we have concerns about brexit, will it be done? it probably won't, but at the same time, the nhs and all these other issues. this slogan has been very effective in this election. for me personally, i would say as a child of immigrants, i am someone who is mother proudly the wears letterbox. last week someone shouted, go home. those are the things i care about, the environment around the uk and in england and! the environment around the uk and in england and i am deeply concerned about my belonging in this country. on that last point, lily allen has said, ithink on that last point, lily allen has said, i think racism and misogyny has run so deep in this country, boris won because of his attitude to
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those things will stop what do you think about that as a conservative voter? i think there is fault on all sides and we need a new conversation first of all conversations are now polarised. do you think there is any truth in it? guests and viewers and lily allen? as a female entrepreneur, who does what i do in an engineering field, i do face misogyny every day. that's not a uk problem though, it is a global problem. but that's not good enough, from that point of view. we are talking about this country, i am worried about who i am in this country when people shout racist things at me and my mother. it's not good enough to say it's universal.” ama good enough to say it's universal.” am a child of immigrants and i get the same thing, so it's notjust the fa ct the same thing, so it's notjust the fact i am a female engineer, it's the fact i am white irish. that is a problem to me. how many people shout go home to you? you would be
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surprised. people challenge it. stale, pale and male is still endemic here. it's about all of us deciding that's not good enough. i think what happened last night, areas that have voted labour all their lives and have now put their trust in the conservatives, conservatives have to deliver on that. and what does that mean beyond brexit? first of all it means looking beyond london. and do interventions on the basis of those policies that impact, from an entrepreneurial point of view, the other 32 hubs entrepreneurial point of view, the other32 hubs in entrepreneurial point of view, the other 32 hubs in this country, make sure they are included. from my point of view it's about inclusion. i think it's about jobs, livelihood and belonging and losing trust en masse with politicians. thank you to you all. the make—up of the commons will look rather different after
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today. we have lost one father of the house after the departure of ken clarke and we lost another in the defeat of dennis skinner in bolsover who would have taken over that role. the conservative general election landslide means sir peter bottomley, who entered the commons in 1975, has now become the father of the house. we can talk to him now. in guildford, how do you feel about taking on the mantle? it's a job you do not apply for, there is no merit and no responsibility so it's not exactly a great burden, but it is a great honour to have been around for some time. but i must recognise dane margaret beckett, who was elected before me but because she was elected before me, but because she had a broken period of service, but i will still refer to her as the senior member of the house. i'm not sure how flattering that is. in the last few months we have seen some fairly unedifying scenes in the commons and it came to the fore in
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october when some of the language was really quite unsettling between members in the house. do you think you will return to something as toxic as that, is there still the potential for that level of divide? i don't think so. i think the mood will calm down. the erg has said some pretty rough things to theresa may and i hope they now regret them. i will not mention the details will stop some of the momentum type people, have realised that momentum and corbynism have lost their own momentum and i think he should step down straightaway during a period of reflection. my own town hall in worthing where both mps did pretty well, i say the old—style labour people were good, and momentum should leave town. momentum started shouting and ruined the mood. they have no self—control. i think the present speaker is someone who will
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have a different approach to the previous speaker. there are many good things to say aboutjohn bercow andi good things to say aboutjohn bercow and i hope there will be more good things to say about the present speaker, who will offer good humour and strict control and not allow things to drift the way they did. you talk about momentum. perhaps you should look to your own party and how confusing that is now for the country. we don't know who boris johnson is, we don't know if he is the borisjohnson johnson is, we don't know if he is the boris johnson of johnson is, we don't know if he is the borisjohnson of dominic cummings that prorogued parliament, or the borisjohnson cummings that prorogued parliament, or the boris johnson of cummings that prorogued parliament, or the borisjohnson of one nation conservatism that rejoiced in the 2012 olympics. we simply don't know who that character is now. and what kind of conservatism is ahead. it's probably both. if i go walking, it's not because i have both feet, its left foot, right foot, and you have one step that amuses people and one that takes decisive action. we can
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be the community conservatives, and the national interest conservatives, and we hope the other party will be like us. we need to have exceptional people in exceptional parties so we can change government without changing the total course of the country. i'm afraid thejeremy corbyn tendency in the labour party when they took control was to change everything, or would, if when they took control was to change everything, orwould, if they when they took control was to change everything, or would, if they had been able to enact their manifesto, and frankly the venezuelan comparison is not too off course. the tory party needs to show we can be responsible and effective and if borisjohnson be responsible and effective and if boris johnson can be be responsible and effective and if borisjohnson can be a leader who can draw on the talents of the people elected then we can do as margaret thatcher did. when she got elected in 1979, four years after i became an mp, you had to apologise for being british or english if you went abroad but in seven years that had changed totally because we had a working economy, better tax take and public services and do better all
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round. we are waiting to hear from the prime minister outside downing street. we can see the podium and the christmas tree. to put in context what and extraordinarily odd seasonal election this has been. i would like to now bring in former foreign secretary jack straw, among other roles. i wonder if this is the point where you feel the labour message starts to change. it has to change, otherwise we fall into oblivion. i heard what peter bottomley said about the appalling reception he was given by momentum people at his count and that is typical not only of momentum, but also all those people around jeremy corbyn who have propped him up and kept hidden there. they have cloth ears, they are intolerant and authoritarian and they will not listen. i came out this morning with
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your interview with laura parker, of momentum, sheep rattled around about trying to explain it, without any apology at all by momentum and the rest of that gang who have hijacked the labour party for the terrible path they have brought us to. michael foot in 1983, this is worse than that, because at least then we had a reasonable leader in michael foot. and what has been missing in this call for accountability, is accountability not just by jeremy corbyn, but also by len mccluskey, the leader of unite, and ed miliband, because it is len mccluskey who was responsible for putting ed miliband into power against his brother. we then had a really dismalfour, against his brother. we then had a really dismal four, five years. you
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can't blame ed miliband for not winning? what i can blame ed miliband for is the fact he change the rules for the election of the leader, which paved the way for jeremy corbyn. len mccluskey bears the greatest responsibility of anybody for the situation the labour party now faces. it is he who has brought together a block of trade union leaders in the labour party to secure jeremy corbyn's union leaders in the labour party to securejeremy corbyn's base and has propped him up. i have not heard from him at all this morning or this afternoon. jeremy corbyn in many ways has been a cipherfor a whole group of other people who have been pretty u npleasa nt group of other people who have been pretty unpleasant and are now extraordinarily saying, and we have heard from richard burgin, the almost invisible shadow justice secretary, this morning was prattling away trying to explain this on all sorts of factors other than the fact that this was a ma nifesto than the fact that this was a manifesto which was even more
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left—wing than the one that we fought in 1983, with a leader who had been there for four years, and yet we plunged to disaster.” remember hearing from david cameron that he thought he would never have lost the referendum for remain if he hadn't had jeremy corbyn as his opposite number. he is right about that. do you think any other labour leader would have supported a remain position more firmly? my son happen to be chief executive for the labour campaign. my son and alanjohnson, who was leader of the labour remain campaign, spent literally months trying to getjeremy corbyn to agree to ta ke trying to getjeremy corbyn to agree to take a prominent role in that campaign. why didn't he? because his basic instinct was to leave. it would have been far better dot and i could blame jeremy
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would have been far better dot and i could blamejeremy corbyn for 50 yea rs. could blamejeremy corbyn for 50 years. a point lisa nandy brought in when i spoke to her, if we think labour's problem started with corbyn or even brexit, then she says we are wrong. it started even under tony blair, during those years, when some of the working and northern areas we re of the working and northern areas were not listened to, too much was centralised from london. do you accept you can't go back to a blairite form of labour either? tony blairite form of labour either? tony blair was brilliant at the time but that has to change. one of the problems we've faced is that corbyn and company have sought to denigrate virtually our whole record. you of course can have an argument about the iraq warand course can have an argument about the iraq war and i understand that, but the rest of the record was pretty good. i represented blackburn, a northern industrial town, for 36 years and living standards for everybody, particularly poor people, were transformed in that period.” particularly poor people, were transformed in that period. i am sorry to cut you off but thank you
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for joining sorry to cut you off but thank you forjoining us, jack straw. we are coming up to the top of the hour. hello and good afternoon. you join us live in westminster, where boris johnson is beginning a new term as prime minister after the conservatives won their biggest majority since 1987. the tory leader returned to downing street earlier after visiting buckingham palace to ask the queen for permission to form a government. overnight, his gamble to hold a december election paid off. he now has a majority of 80 and a mandate,
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