hello. it's friday. it's10am. i'm joanna gosling. a 21—year—old woman who says she was raped on holiday in ayia napa tells us exclusively that she was "discouraged" by police in scotland from pursuing the case. we'll be talking to her live about her experience, both in cyprus, and with authorities when she got back. new video emerges showing the moment a ukranian passenger plane was shot down in iran. the uk, us and canada say they believe it was hit by an iranian missile — iran says they're lying. the evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an iranian surface—to—air missile. this may well have been unintentional. the duchess of sussex flies back

to canada to be reunited with her son archie, hours after she and prince harry said they would be "stepping back" as senior royals. a mother—of—two who was sacked by liz earle cosmetics when eight months pregnant is awarded more than £17,000 by an employment tribunal. we'll be talking to her live about her victory over herformer employer. hi. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we'd love to hear from you throughout the programme if you have views on any of our stories. what do you make of the duchess of sussex heading back to canada? use #victorialive. email victoria@bbc.co.uk, text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate.

iran has accused western leaders of lying about the cause of the ukrainian plane crash which took place near tehran on wednesday. the us, canada and the uk say intelligence suggests an iranian missile brought down the passenger plane, killing everyone on board. and in the last half hour we've heard that the plane's data recorders, the so—called black boxes, will be opened today. the duchess of sussex has returned to canada — just days after flying back to britain from a six—week holiday there. the duchess and prince harry have announced they want to step back from their roles as senior members of the royal family. the queen, prince charles and prince william have instructed their staff to find a solution within a matter of days. after three years of deadlock, the main political parties in northern ireland are considering a draft deal to restore power sharing at stormont — potentially by the end of the day. the british and irish governments put forward the proposal last night, describing it as a fair compromise which contained something "for everyone". power sharing collapsed three years ago following a dispute between sinn fein and the dup.

a 21—year—old woman who says she was raped on holiday in ayia napa has told this programme she was "discouraged" by police from pursuing the case. the woman — who was 19 at the time — didn't report the incident to the cypriot police. when she returned home, she says police there were very dismissive and said she may have to lose her anonymity if she took it further. it raises potential additional concerns on the same week a 19—year—old british woman was sentenced for making a false rape claim in cyprus. the government has been urged to consider imposing restrictions on pay—as—you—go mobile phones to prevent county lines drug gangs using them. current rules — that allow people to buy the phones anonymously — are being exploited by drug dealers, the policing watchdog for england and wales said. it called for a home office review of the "criminal abuse" of mobile phones. the home office said it was investing £20 million to further disrupt county lines activity. five prison staff have been

injured — one seriously — after they were allegedly stabbed and slashed by two inmates wearing fake suicide belts. one of the alleged attackers at whitemoor prison in cambridgeshire had been originallyjailed for planning to behead a soldier. counter—terrorism officers are investigating. firefighters in australia are trying to contain blazes which are threatening to advance again as hot weather returns after a five—day cool spell. more than 100 bushfires are still burning in the south of the country — in the state of victoria, authorities are urging almost a quarter of a million people to leave their homes or risk being trapped. more men are needed to give blood, which can be used in specialist transfusions and blood—based products, such as complete blood transfusions in newborn babies. nhs blood and transplant says more men need to donate — only 41% of new blood donors in england last year were men. the high level of iron present in male blood makes it especially

helpful to patients who rely on regular life—saving transfusions. a 21—year—old woman who says she was raped on holiday in ayia napa has told us exclusively that she was "discouraged" by police in scotland from pursuing the case. sophie, not her real name, was 19 at the time and didn't report the incident to the cypriot police. when she returned home, she says scottish police were not encouraging and said it would be hard to find the rapist. it raises potential additional concerns on the same week a 19—year—old british woman was sentenced for making a false rape claim in cyprus. today, an mp has called for a parliamentary debate to be held as soon as possible on the safety of british tourists in cyprus. with me is sophie. that is not her

real name. we are not identifying her. as it brought a lot of things back to you see in what has happened with this 19—year—old women in cyprus? definitely. it is heartbreaking to hear what she has had to go through. it has definitely brought back a lot of memories of the entire trip, where i felt unsafe throughout. explain why. the culture there was very much nairn feeling entitled to my body —— men feeling. a taxi driver turned up at our villa without invitation and touched my breasts. he came back with letters

phoning him to take us anywhere. he walked into our villa and started touching me. i laughed it off because that is what it was like when we were there, men would just touch here, and there wasn't any police. they were not any police or bouncers anywhere that i could see. 0n bouncers anywhere that i could see. on one night out you think your drink was spiked and you were raped. yes, at a beach party there was an open bar and yes, at a beach party there was an open barand a yes, at a beach party there was an open bar and a man took my drink to fill it up. at this point i didn't think anything of it because i was with my friends. the sky seemed fine. he took me away from the party

and soon after i found myself in and out of consciousness, and with his fingers inside me. i was unable to work out where i was and eventually i don't know fi fell asleep or i passed out but that is what happened after. when did you realise you had perhaps been raped 7 after. when did you realise you had perhaps been raped ?|j after. when did you realise you had perhaps been raped? i know that i had been sexually assaulted but the next day i was taking my make up of, i was on the toilet, and i pulled the condom out of my vagina. what did you do? immediately

i went downstairs and my friends helped me. we were going home the day after and all i wanted was to go home and make sure that my body was safe and healthy and i hadn't caught anything. i ended up getting a uti from it. i just anything. i ended up getting a uti from it. ijust wanted to make sure that i felt better. when i got home, which was a couple of days afterwards because i was staying in london, i went to my gp, who recommended i talk to the sexual assault clinic. he encouraged me to speak to the police here, which i hadn't thought of doing before, at

least i had kind of society not to because all i wanted to be was safe. com pletely because all i wanted to be was safe. completely understandable. you went to the police. how did they react? first i spoke to the clinic, who said that it would be really important to talk to the police, and so important to talk to the police, and soi important to talk to the police, and so i decided i would. i met with them at a police station. u nfortu nately them at a police station. unfortunately they were quite discouraging. they said it would not be likely that anyone would be able to find the perpetrator. they would have to hand it over to the cyprus police, at which point i asked whether my anonymity would be compromised, but they said they did not know and i asked if someone would be able to find out but no one ever found out for me, would be able to find out but no one everfound out for me, so i decided not to take it any further because

all i wanted to be was safe. how do you feel now about that decision not to pursue it further? in light of these recent events, i am grateful that i didn't, but i also think maybe because i was back in the uk it would have been safer for me. be obvious that i have read and seen from those who raped this young women and those who support them has been horrific and i am glad that i did not have to experience that. been horrific and i am glad that i did not have to experience thatlj did not have to experience that.|j have did not have to experience that.” have a statement here from police scotla nd have a statement here from police scotland following on from you reporting what happened to you in june 2017. they say that they were contacted june 2017. they say that they were co nta cted by june 2017. they say that they were contacted by a woman seeking advice

and reporting she may have been the victim of a sexual assault abroad and she was interviewed but no formal complaint was made. we are unaware of any forensic tests confirming the presence of dna. police scotland thoroughly investigates reports of sexual offences and will be responsible for the needs of the victims and we will make efforts to speak to this women in the coming days. it is interesting that they say that they investigate all sexual offences when six months after i took tests at the sexual assault clinic they phoned me to confirm they had found dna, which was obvious when i had found the condom, so i am a bit disappointed. i had tried to report it to begin with and i didn't feel the support

there at all. it is worth seeing your disposed of the condom, which again was completely understandable in your shock at discovering what had happened, so that was evidence that was unavailable.” had happened, so that was evidence that was unavailable. i did not have any intention of reporting it to the police at the time, i just wanted to be safe. the idea of containing a tonne bringing it back to the uk seemed bizarre, and even it doesn't prove rape. a lot of the time i am aware people say itjust proves sex happened but it was not sex, it was rape, i was unconscious. the police did not pursue anything about me being drugged as well. an mp here is calling for a debate to be held in parliament on the safety of british tourists then i am happy. what are your thoughts? -- in ayia napa. it

is important for people to be aware of the party culture and how people feel entitled to go body —— to your body and how just feel entitled to go body —— to your body and howjust being there makes people think that you are there to be sexual, when all i did was go to see my friends who i haven't seen in many months and dance and have a nice time. thank you very much for bravely speaking out. in the case involving the 19—year—old in cyprus, where she was convicted after retracting her rape allegation against those israeli men who had been accused of raping her, it is

important to note they were not convicted of rape. and our actionline website is bbc.co.uk/actionline — if you need help there are loads of organisations listed there who you can contact. coming up later in the programme: we talk to the coronation street actress nicola thorp about living with a borderline personality disorder and breaking the stigma around this condition. and we speak to a woman awarded £17,000 by an employment tribunal after she was sacked by the beauty company liz earle cosmetics when she was eight months pregnant. in her first tv interview about living with a borderline personality disorder, the former coronation street actress nicola thorp has told this programme she wants to dispel stigmas and myths attached with the condition. it comes as the royal college of psychiatrists has challenged

what it says is the myth that people with personality disorders can't be treated. having a personality disorder means the development of someone's personality is so severely disrupted that they find it difficult to function in society and live with other people or even themselves. one in ten people with a personality disorder will die by suicide. we can chat now to nicola, who's been through treatment for her borderline personality disorder, and dr rex haigh from the royal college of psychiatrists, who edited their report. describe what it has been like. i could not help but laugh when you are reading out your description of what it was like because that sounded a lot more severe maybe than what day—to—day life is like and thatis what day—to—day life is like and that is why i am talking about it because the label itself of personality disorder there is the suggestion that it is your personality that is disordered and

that isn't the case. it is a mental illness like other mental illnesses. it is characterised by different things but for me i have always had extreme anxiety and i think it is really fa ntastic extreme anxiety and i think it is really fantastic that everybody is talking about depression and anxiety but often it can be so generalised andi but often it can be so generalised and i think it is time that we talked about issues more specifically, but that description you said earlier made it sound a lot more severe, and it is probably quite of and encourages the stigma which i am trying to move away from. fair enough. there probably isn't much understanding around what borderline personality is so when nicola says she has anxiety, issues can be generalised, but devine's borderline personality disorder? that is at big question and i would

wa nt that is at big question and i would want to agree about the stigma and the label itself, which is a very contested area at the moment, and it is quite an old—fashioned sort of label. it is as if they are telling you what is wrong with you and that doesn't feel right in some way to people. the label aside, what defines it as distinct from other issues? it is a lifelong condition so issues? it is a lifelong condition so it comes out through develop meant so something goes wrong with the development of the personality. these profoundly troublesome issues like deprivation or loss or trauma or abuse are very often in the background, not always, but that is insufficiently understood. some of it is about trauma, it overlaps with complex ptsd and bipolar and many different diagnoses can get

misdiagnosed and given to people rather than personality disorder because it is a huge problem that is under recognised and probably have the people in mental health services could be diagnosed with it if they we re could be diagnosed with it if they were assessed in that way. that is a large number of people that we don't realise. tell us how it has affected your life. now i realise realise. tell us how it has affected your life. nowl realise it realise. tell us how it has affected your life. now i realise it affected me from a lot younger. maybe seven yea rs me from a lot younger. maybe seven years ago was when i first got hospitalised and i was hospitalised and misdiagnosed with bipolar because a lot of the symptoms can be similar. i guess to have anxiety attacks that were so bad i couldn't function and we are talking in order to try to break out of that cycle of anxiety and depression and stop those panic attacks i would resort to extreme the behaviour is like trying to knock myself out, hitting my head against a wall, that kind of thing. that is brutal. did you

succeed? yes. what would happen then? were you signed and taken to hospital? yes. you are here, as you say. you have been an actress in one of the nation's best—known soaps. say. you have been an actress in one of the nation's best-known soaps. an actress with certain emotional tendencies... it is probably what drew me to acting. if you formed person, personality, buti drew me to acting. if you formed person, personality, but i can pretend to be somebody else. did it impact on your working life?m pretend to be somebody else. did it impact on your working life? it has never affected my working life. how? you see people with stammers who can sing and it stops when basing and it

is the same with acting for me. at one point you said when i was ill people asked me if i was ok and didn't know what to do next when i told them i didn't want to be alive any more. that is an issue we need to address at the moment. we are being told from every direction to talk more, open up more about mental health, but we need to know what to do when somebody does say something like i don't want to live any more. what can somebody say it because thatis what can somebody say it because that is frightening? it puts a lot of pressure on the person that is why we need i call it like first aid training for mental health. if you saw somebody on the street having a heart attack you wouldn't think i am not a heart surgeon, i cannot help them, but you might know cpr to keep them, but you might know cpr to keep them alive until a professional came along, and that is needed with mental health issues, knowing what to do when somebody says something

like that. in that context it is making sure you stay with them until they are taken to hospital or are talking to somebody on a phone like the samaritans or a helpline or something. when people talk about suicide or extreme self—harm or any kind of self—harm, it is kind of portrait as the slow gradual thing thatis portrait as the slow gradual thing that is done in secret but for other people it can come on like that. there can be a trigger. this is what we are trying to dispel, this myth, ido we are trying to dispel, this myth, i do not know what you do about the links between borderline personality disorder and trauma, i think it should be known as complex ptsd because that is what it is. it is a response to something traumatic. because that is what it is. it is a response to something traumaticm a way aren't all mental health exactly that? exactly, yes. so are these labels helpful? it is helpful

in that it was something i could be treated for, however... you were given a different label before that was unhelpful. because i didn't have that. you are reading the symptoms of that but you were thinking that you had something under labour was helpful. i checked a couple of boxes. we do not treat the label. we do not treat a diagnosis but we treat people with the complicated problems. the first thing to do about treating people is to get together with them, form a relationship where they can understand what is going on, and thatis understand what is going on, and that is the sort of training we want to venture so that psychologists understand the importance of this. it can be very stressful because you are very emotional with borderline personality but also it can put a

strain on staff because they do not know how to handle that level of emotion so this is one of the things we are looking at and to make sure that services, services across the country are very patchy and the quality varies, so we want to make sure they come up to standard and meet you well. thank you for coming the duchess of sussex has gone back to canada as talks continue over the future role for her and prince harry. the couple dramatically announced on wednesday night they wanted to step back as senior royals. let's get the latest from our royal correspondentjonny dymond. this is happening quickly because we had the announcement and then it was revealed that archie was in canada and now she has gone back and there have been some reports that he is

there as well. he is here. i get the sense they are in negotiations, discussions, and it is the palace on one side effectively on the household of the sussex's on the other. there is real engagement from the palace. you could make an argument that by going public may have forced the palace's hand to negotiate urgently and seriously. there is still quite a lot that they are in the middle of and they cannot quite work out how this plan will connect, but genuinely they are trying to get some kind of deal. what are the complexities? is it around things like whether they keep their titles? the titles are sort of an end point of something else which is about renouncing or leaving the royal family. that is clearly not

the aim and desire of harry and meghan, they want to stay inside it, and if that is the case of the palace will aim to keep them inside it as well. that implies there is a suggestion they may not be able to have the staff eyes that they may be told you cannot have it you lose it. no one has said that to me from the palace but it is self—evident from some of the desires that harry and meghan have about their freedom of action they will run up against resistance. they are just finding out where they have common ground and where they don't, and money is complicated, because it is important in cash terms but it is important as a form of control and a form of relationship as well. thank you. before 11:00, coming up, we'll discuss if restrictions on pay—as—you—go mobile phones should be brought in to help police fight

county lines drug dealers. and are plans to use facial recognition technology at the biggest football derby in wales this weekend going a step too far? iran's civil aviation authority says it is certain that the passenger plane which crashed near tehran this week — killing 176 people — was not brought down by an iranian missile. the denial came after a new video emerged which appeared to show an aircraft being shot from the sky. the us, the uk and canada say there's evidence that iran was behind the downing of the plane. borisjohnson and justin trudeau say the aircraft could have been shot down by mistake — but they want a full investigation. the crash happened just hours after iran attacked iraqi air bases housing us troops. so, what do we know about this story? take a look at these useful maps from the bbc news website. the first one shows the planned flight route of the ukraine international airlines flight 752. it was heading from iran's capital tehran — to ukraine's capital kyiv. the journey should have taken just over four hours.

this second map zooms in — to show how the plane came down just moments into its flight. all the passengers and crew members on board died. 63 were canadians citizens. last night the country's pm said this. the evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an iranian surface to air missile. this limit the may well have been unintentional. i review underlines why we urgently need an independent and transparent investigation to establish what caused it. the regime

must open up to the international community including access to the crash site so we can get the truth as quickly as possible to give the families of the victims and understanding of what happened to their loved ones. us media see these images appear to show the moment it was hit by an iranian missile moments after take—off. the jets tries to turn back to tehran's airport but its signal is lost and it crashes, killing everyone on board. 0fficials it crashes, killing everyone on board. officials say they could open the plain's black box but it could ta ke the plain's black box but it could take one or two years to complete the investigation. let's talk to giancarlo fiorella in toronto from the investigative website bellingcat which specialises in fact checking and open source intelligence. graham braithwaite who is professor of aircraft crash investigation at cra nfield university. and professor rosemary hollis who specialised in international

politics at city university until she retired from there recently. giancarlo fiorella, from what you have seen what does it point to? the evidence so far as showing, as we published last night, there was a midair explosion where we believe the aeroplane would have been shortly after take—off. but as a disturbing piece of information and it has to be taken also in the context of the fact that we know that this site of the crash has been compromised with heavy machinery operating throughout the crash site and we are very distressed by those images because we cannot be guaranteed the crash site has maintained its integrity. graham, as

giancarlo is saying, the crash site is being bulldozed. iran has said it is being bulldozed. iran has said it is not true that iranians missiles brought down this plain. how difficult it is it going establish exactly what happened ? difficult it is it going establish exactly what happened? investigators depend upon evidence, evidence that might come from a data source like a voice recorder or a flight data recorder, or physical evidence of the accident site, so that the shape of the wreckage, the actual damage, notjust to the of the wreckage, the actual damage, not just to the aircraft itself but also sadly to the bodies of those who died, will all help form that picture. now, the absence of that evidence can also start to point towards a picture. if the flight data recorder shows no problems with the aircraft and then it suddenly stops, that limits the number of possibilities because that suggests the power went off very quickly. and so the power went off very quickly. and so you start to add things together and build a picture. so even if evidence is hidden or tampered with, that in itself can point towards

some sort of explanation. rosemary hollis, would you trust iran playing the key role in this investigation, as it has the right to do, because this happened on its soil? well, i think the more the evidence builds that iran wants to try to hide something, the more suspicion will re st something, the more suspicion will rest on them that, whether intentionally or not, they could have brought down that passenger aircraft. i think there is also going to be another problem in that decision—making in iran is relatively centralised but the supreme relatively centralised but the supreme leader who is the ultimate decision—maker doesn't respond to every single incident and does not orchestrate every single announcement. and so we have had some conflicting messages coming out of tehran. so, it is quite conceivable that we are not going to get to the bottom of this. obviously

if the iranians could claim that it was a technical fault on the plane, that would make the manufacturer boeing very unhappy indeed, but if it could be proven, then the iranians would be let off the hook. but that does not seem to be imminent as the potential that the iranians are confident they can pursue because they are cooperating with the other nations involved but they are not coming clean on everything. giancarlo, as we are hearing iran denying that there was a missile here and ukraine initially was saying that it was most likely an engine fault, how difficult has it been to get the sort of evidence that you have been finding? at this moment, we are focused on collecting open source information that has been shared about this event. primarily actors and videos that people who were at the crash site in the immediate aftermath of the crash

collected on social media. at the moment we are focused on collecting as much evidence as possible because, again, because the site has been compromised, that makes the sort of digital evidence all the more important. it might be the fact that as this investigation moves forward , that as this investigation moves forward, all that we have really is the digital evidence already shared online. and so at this moment we are not necessarily looking for any particular clues in this evidence. we arejust particular clues in this evidence. we are just focused on collecting as much of it as possible in the event that in the future it is the only resource we have to try to determine exactly what happened. graham, what is your analysis? i know it's difficult when you are just seeing mobile phone footage, but seeing what appears to happen with that plane with an explosion in midair and then the plane falling out of the sky, do you think it is almost certainly a missile, whether intentional or not? i think the discipline we were training to any

investigators to keep an open mind, and when you have a piece of evidence, particularly a very compelling piece of evidence like the video footage, then check it, check it, check it again and try and prove it is wrong, trying to prove the video is faked or interpreted and if you can't find the evidence that it has then it gains in credibility but you would cross— reference credibility but you would cross—reference that with things like the wreckage pattern, cross— reference like the wreckage pattern, cross—reference it with what has come from the accident site and build up the picture from the. that does become quite a compelling case when you put all that together. i would say it is quite hard to fake a cause of an accident. one of the things that we do as a university in training investigators is trying to reproduce accident sites for people to learn their trade. and of course, what an investigator is doing is looking for inconsistencies and things that seem to contradict or don't add up and that's incredibly difficult to do. so if there has beena difficult to do. so if there has been a particular cause here, i think it would be incredibly difficult for anybody to try and

fa ke difficult for anybody to try and fake something that suggested it was something else. rosemary, if this we re something else. rosemary, if this were a missile that brought down this plane, intentional or unintentional, what would the ramifications potentially be? unintentional, what would the ramifications potentially be ?m unintentional, what would the ramifications potentially be? it is important to note that it would be very peculiar if it was an intentional attack on that aircraft, because it was a passenger plane and a lot of the passengers were iranians, or canadian— iranian dual nationals. and it was a ukrainian airlines plane. so, what motive an iranian fire of a missile could have possibly had for bringing it down is ha rd possibly had for bringing it down is hard to discern. but maybe covering up hard to discern. but maybe covering upa mistake hard to discern. but maybe covering up a mistake is what's going on and the assumption, or the wrong assumption that this was a military aircraft up to no good, possibly related to the americans. sadly,

this whole crisis between the united states and iran over the past week or so states and iran over the past week or so in its last iteration, has had several echoes of the past. whether the fact that the us president donald trump brought up the idea of 52 targets in iran that could be hit by the americans if they felt that the iranians were overreacting to the iranians were overreacting to the assassination of their top military man on iraqi soil, and by 52, he is referring to the 52 american hostages taken by students who raided the us embassy in tehran way back in 1979. there is another precedent to this awful plane crash in that towards the end of the iran— iraq war in the 19805, the us military on patrol in the persian

gulf mistakenly 5hot military on patrol in the persian gulf mistakenly shot down an iranian airliner carrying hundreds of pa55enger5, totally innocent, and it wa5 pa55enger5, totally innocent, and it was the us who on that occasion mi5took it for a military aircraft and shot it down. a rosemary hollis, thank you very much. giancarlo fiorella and graham braithwaite, thank you. if you are wondering what those pictures were of the box being open, it was the black box, it is not black, but it contains the data from the flight and they were —— it was being opened there. the government is being urged to consider restrictions on pay—as—you—go mobile phones to stop them from being used by county lines drug dealers. currently it's easy to buy a phone anonymously, without having to disclose any personal details, and the police watchdog for england and wales are warning that that's being exploited by drug dealers. county lines gangs often use phones to arrange deals with suppliers and buyers as they move drugs from larger cities to smaller towns around the country.

let's speak tojennifer blake, a former gang leader and community support worker, sheldon thomas is a former gang member and founder and chief executive of gangsline and david tucker is the crime lead for college of policing. welcome all of you. first of all, david tucker, obviously the mobile phones are key in this context. how important do you think it is to crack that issue? i think it's one element. this is a very complicated crime committed by organised criminals who are exploiting quite often young and vulnerable people. the report itself, i think, describes some good structures and processes . describes some good structures and processes. but the challenge now is to operationalise that so that the police and working with partners, national crime agency and others, is more effective in tackling county lines offending. and the police take

every opportunity when they come across incidents, when they come across incidents, when they come across young people, when they come across young people, when they come across vulnerable people, to understand the full range of vulnerability. and that's where the couege vulnerability. and that's where the college of policing has been concentrating, trying to make sure that the first response to vulnerability, identifies people at risk of exploitation and can therefore be helped and preferably be given an exit plan to stop offending against them. sheldon thomas, do you think that that has been an issue, not always understanding where the line is between someone being a victim of someone being a perpetrator? yeah, that'5 someone being a perpetrator? yeah, that's always been the case. part of it is because in the uk and across the world where gang5 are evident, gang5 are always seen the world where gang5 are evident, gangs are always seen as perpetrators, gang members. no one ever seems to want to address that quite a lot of gang members who are

recruited, exploited and groomed our vulnerable children. in the last few year5 vulnerable children. in the last few years we have seen that change slightly where different services are actually saying that they are vulnerable and we are trying to look at not taking an enforcement edge on it. the problem has been we cannot arrest our way out of this. no matter what the police come up with. they are trying hard. no matter what they come up with, this problem cannot be fixed with just intervention, which we seem to keep wanting to do, trying to find different ways of doing things. all we are doing at this moment, the police, the national crime agency is, all we are all doing is putting a plaster on this situation. why? because what needs to happen is societal change. that is what needs to happen. and when i say societal change, we have to look at family composition, we have to look at how families have broken down, and i'm notjust families have broken down, and i'm not just talking about poor families. i'm talking about

middle—class families. because we have middle—class kids who are dating gang members, we have middle—class kids who are selling drugs. so it isn'tjust about the kids from poor environments. it's about kids that don't feel loved at home who then go looking elsewhere for what they feel is love, or for what they feel is a family environment and that's what brings them into contact with drug dealers, organised crime and people that do cou nty organised crime and people that do county lines. so i think we need to stop looking at the small things and start looking at how we as a society are going to change the way young children think about money, the way children think about money, the way children think about materialism, about the way children think about the word respect on the streets and the word respect on the streets and the way they treat girls. because this is another thing about the way girls are treated by young boys in this lifestyle. lots and lots to think about there, sheldon. thank you. jennifer, what are your thoughts on how to fix those issues?

one of the issues that i kind of look at is a lot of what sheldon is saying. we always kind of look at young people as the perpetrators when at the end of the day they are victims. when i was going through my life style victims. when i was going through my lifestyle i was seen as a perpetrator. you were a gang member and became a gang leader from 13... ?13 and became a gang leader from 13... ? 13 to 36. and became a gang leader from 13... ?13t036. i and became a gang leader from 13... ? 13 to 36. i was seen as a gang member. at the age of 13? even in the local authority, you would think there would be a change because they have the policies in the wake should happen for a young person, but it didn't. how could you have been treated differently at the age of 13 that could have put you on a different path? social workers knew that i was groomed into that form of life style, that i was groomed into that form of lifestyle, so therefore, they should have. and they knew because you've clearly tell them everything? they knew. it is not that they didn't know. they knew the people i was

moving with. they knew that from the age of before i got a 13 everything was fine until i started moving with these groups of people. from the outside looking at that, trying to work out how to break that, had to ta ke work out how to break that, had to take you away, when presumably at the age of 13 you are caught up in it, it would have been difficult to say to you, it is ok, we can give you a better life here. would you have been receptive to something like that? in regards to receptive or not, it was what was put in place. i wasjust brought to court, i was place. i wasjust brought to court, iwas given place. i wasjust brought to court, i was given a criminal conviction for things i was groomed into doing. so therefore, the support in the sense of why are you doing this, how can we get you out of it, was by moving me from one children's home to the next and by not dealing with the root cause of my problem and that's what's happening today. and having a criminal record from the age of 13? yeah, right through to my aduu age of 13? yeah, right through to my adult hood. and it was never looked at, 0k, adult hood. and it was never looked at, ok, she is a victim, maybe we

can look at ways we can provide support for her. but that never happened. what would you say to david tucker that the college of policing should be doing with these kids? there is so many things, but do you know what, the report mentioned about young people and the effect in school and out of school. there isn't enough going into schools in order to tackle this. this is where our young people are. they are in schools, the majority of time they are in schools. david tucker, should 13—year—old kids be prosecuted? jennifer describes some really interesting things here. there are what you would call teachable moments, moments in people's lives where you can intervene. when jennifer first came to the notice of police or social workers, there were opportunities there perhaps that i would expect today we would deal with differently. we would involve partners to try and put into place a

proper response. so for example... you say it would be done differently today but we have this problem with cou nty today but we have this problem with county lines in exactly the same things are happening, albeit in a different context and different kids are being brought into it.” different context and different kids are being brought into it. i think the evidence coming out of the report is that children are being dealt with in a different way, the defence to crime, the statutory defence to crime, the statutory defence is being used, we are seeing gang members, the exploiters being used, being prosecuted for modern slavery offences, and what we are trying to do in our training is to encourage police officers to look beyond the presenting issue. where we come across children who are found who have been missing, not just being satisfied of understanding that the child has now been found and so we think all the risk has gone. that's not good enough any more. we are expected and we expect our police officers to be much more clever and nuanced about

how we deal with things, to ask the child what has happened and to try and understand if that child is vulnerable and how that vulnerability is impacted on them and what has happened to them while they are away. because the risk for that individual continues after that moment and we need proper structures and arrangements to look after children so that we might have avoided your situation. it has been really interesting to talk to you all. thank you very much indeed, david, jennifer and sheldon. a mother of two has won an employment tribunal against liz earle cosmetics after she was made redundant when she was eight months pregnant. helen larkin worked for the company as a digital marketing manager until she was made redundant in the summer of 2018. yesterday, a judge ruled in favour of mrs larkin on the grounds of maternity discrimination and unfair dismissal. liz earle — which is owned by walgreens boots, the company that owns boots — had claimed the move was part of wider restructuring. in statement after the ruling, a company spokesperson said "over a company spokesperson said, "over

the course of the tribunal hearing regarding ms larkin's case it seemed that we fell short of our standards in some areas, which we sincerely regret." helen larkinjoins us now. welcome. good morning. hello, good morning. you were made redundant when you are heavily pregnant in 2018. tell us what happened.” when you are heavily pregnant in 2018. tell us what happened. i was eight months pregnant and about to start my maternity leave so i was looking forward to that, when the business announced there would be a restructure and business announced there would be a restructure a nd u nfortu nately business announced there would be a restructure and unfortunately my role would be removed from that. several roles were going to be added, and then i went on to the consultation period where i had just two weeks in which to be able to apply for other roles within the business but i was never given an interview. and you were still working at that point? you were eight months pregnant but this was going up to your maternity leave? yes. did you not have protection because of being pregnant and about to go on maternity leave? the real protection kicks in when you start your maternity leave and obviously i was just a couple of weeks by the timei was just a couple of weeks by the time i finished from starting my maternity leave, so i felt that the

process had been expedited so i would be out of the business and unable to gain the protection where they would have to guarantee me a job on the return of my maternity leave. so you firmly believe you we re leave. so you firmly believe you were discriminative against because you are pregnant with mick the judge ruled i was discriminated against because i was pregnant. did you have conversations around that at the time saying, i'm pregnant, i don't feel i should lose myjob? definitely, there were roles in the business i felt were suitable alternatives but i wasn't given an interview for the roles and there was another role in the business that was concealed from me and there was evidence given at the judge again ruled they had hidden this specifically so i wouldn't be able to remain within the business due to my pregnancy. you represented yourself at the tribunal. there must have been a huge undertaking. yes, i did. it was very stressful. did you have much support outside as you we re have much support outside as you were going through that?” have much support outside as you were going through that? i had amazing support from friends and family. there is an organisation called pregnant and screwed but help

me and offered me a mentor or so there is help for women who find themselves in the same situation. you effectively took on the role of lawyer for yourself representing yourself in court. did you have to get up to speed with the law around this? definitely, at a time i should be focusing on having a newborn baby i had to focus on my trial and pulling together all the evidence, putting together all the bundle and everything. it was really hard work. the bundle is all the paperwork? all of the legal documents and the evidence, walgreens boots alliance made it difficult for me to get certain bits of evidence and the judge ruled they should have provided certain pieces of evidence which were destroyed or not given, so again that added to the extra stress and burden of 18 months of putting this case together. how do you feel now about everything you have gone through? you have won your case. yes. it has been a long haul and with a newborn baby as well. case. yes. it has been a long haul and with a newborn baby as weltm comes to massive shadow over my maternity leave and was very

distressing. but it was a huge relief yesterday to get the verdict that i wanted, and i feel now i can move on and focus on my family.” know you have said that you have done this notjust for you, this isn't just about your case, this done this notjust for you, this isn'tjust about your case, this is about other women too. definitely, because most people are silenced before they get to the stage and given the situation i'm in, ifelt before they get to the stage and given the situation i'm in, i felt a responsibility to stand up for other women and talk about the scope and breadth of this issue, because it affects so many people. within liz earle and other companies elsewhere. soi earle and other companies elsewhere. so i felt a responsibility to stand up so i felt a responsibility to stand up and speak out. thank you very much indeed forjoining us, helen larkin. thank you. south wales police has been criticised for its plans to use live facial recognition surveillance at this sunday's cardiff city v swansea city football match. fans, human rights campaigners and the police and crime commissioner for a neighbouring force say the plans are "a step too far". south wales police say the measures

keep football fans safe and are intended to prevent disorder that has affected previous matches between the clubs. last year, our reporter catrin nye did an in depth report into the use of facial recognition technology. 0ne developer told us it could be essential for counter—terrorism but acknowledged that it might not be supported by the public if used in other ways. so, i am in the counterterrorism business and i know there are five individuals in central london where we are sitting right now that want to do harm on a massive scale to the public. would you have public support to use facial recognition to try and intercept that group of individuals before they can do harm? i would suggest almost categorically you would. i'll give you the opposite example. an individual has been kicked out of the pub for drinking too much on a saturday night. the pub has taken a photo of that individual. should that individual then be prevented from getting into that establishment and other establishments because of that incident? i think you would have very little public consent for that example. use of facial recognition cameras is currently being challenged in two separate human rights cases that claim the surveillance breaches privacy rights. one of those cases is being taken by civil liberties campaign group big brother watch. silkie carlo is from the group.

she is with me now. what are your concerns about facial recognition technology? it is a very authoritarian surveillance technology that is a form of mass surveillance and it means everyone that walks past this camera is having very sensitive biometric data taken having very sensitive biometric data ta ken about them having very sensitive biometric data taken about them which is like giving police a fingerprint. this is happening en masse and there has been no democratic basis for it, this has never been in any one's and no politician has stood up for it. —— manifesto. the police have been let off the leash spending millions of pounds of taxpayers' money on this technology which doesn't work, isn't needed and preaches all of our rights. south wales police assistant chief also they are doing it to prevent offences by individuals who are the subject of football banning orders that preclude them from attending and they also point out

that any data captured by the technology that is not relevant to the people they are trying to identify will just automatically be destroyed. well, they have changed practices over time. when we first looked at this, at one football match alone, they made over 2500 misidentification is wrongly flagging innocent members of the public as criminals and ben kept those photos on databases for 12 months. —— and then kept. if you read the statement carefully, what they are saying is that people who have historic football banning orders, which you can get for throwing chewing gum on the floor, a lower threshold, they will still be on the watch list. people trying to move on with their lives who may have behaved badly in the past, can still be flagged and questioned and harassed by the police. do you think there is any good useful facial recognition technology? because obviously it could be a tool for counterterrorism, for helping to convict once something, crimes that

have been committed?” convict once something, crimes that have been committed? i think actually it can and it can have a good use in forensic environments, perhaps even passport control, which we have been using for many years. but it is used for public surveillance which is controversial and has been banned in many places in the us. we only really see it being used for live surveillance in russia, china and now surprisingly the uk. i think the government needs to step in urgently and put a stop to step in urgently and put a stop to this. we have all got used to cctv footage and cameras being around us all the time. do you think it is something that there isn't necessarily widespread awareness of? i think that is a problem in and of itself. but this is light years away from cctv. this is more like border security. normally if the police we re security. normally if the police were going to take a photo of you and to take biometric data you would have legal rights. but here it is happening without people's consent and often without their knowledge.

already in this country we think there are tens of millions of people who will have been affected by facial recognition, their data will be somewhere and they don't even know about it and that's why government needs to step in and urgently put a stop to this. and meanwhile it is being fought through the courts and you are involved in one case. the high court in cardiff ruled in september it is lawful for police to use the technology to search for people in crowds. that is being appealed and i have to say i found that a very surprising judgment and a very disappointing one. our own challenge against the metropolitan police, they have paused their use of it now and that's thanks to members of the public who crowd funded the legal challenge. there is definitely public concern about this and parliamentary concern as well. we have had many mps supporting our campaign against this and lots of rights groups. so the question is, why is no one listening and why aren't the police putting a stop to this and what isn't the government stepping in at doing something about this? there are lots of fears among people that this government isn't

going to be good for civil liberties andi going to be good for civil liberties and i hope that by taking action on technologies like this that they are proved wrong. silkie carlo, thank you very much indeed. comments coming in from you on harry and meghan. jenny on e—mail says the utter selfishness of this pair beggars belief. leaving archie in canada shows meghan has no intention to stay in this country and taking her royal role seriously. i feel sorry for the queen, she has had a terrible year. my terrible year. my simply lies with the queen, maggiejo harry my simply lies with the queen, maggie jo harry and my simply lies with the queen, maggiejo harry and meghan will learn that pursuing personal happiness at the expense of others rarely succeeds. robin says if harry and meghan went toa robin says if harry and meghan went to a their role status, get on with it. they are behaving like self—indulgent rich kids supported by the taxpayer. they want to have their cake and eat it, i'm disgusted by the whole panoply of monarchy. keith on e—mail, having american family myself, i confidently predicted that the american way of life and attitude to marriage and life and attitude to marriage and life would in no way align with the british/ royal way of life. if they wa nt to british/ royal way of life. if they want to make their own way in life they should go the whole hog and not

be half in half out. just give them a comfort blanket to fall back on if things don't work out. thank you for those comments and thank you for your company today. i just want to say before we go that we are saying goodbye on the programme here to someone who has been with us from the beginning. he is their on camera three. he is moving off to pastures new, so we wish you all the best, thank you very much for everything you have done for the programme. i hope you have a lovely day. see you soon. bye—bye. good morning. today's weather is fairly straightforward and quiet for most of us. there is lots of sunshine out there at the moment, particularly for england and wales. a bit of cloud floating around but we continue with the sunny spells into the afternoon. gradually across

scotla nd into the afternoon. gradually across scotland and northern ireland you will notice cloud increasing at rain moving in here and gales developing later on towards north—western areas. maximum temperature is getting up to around 5—9dc, so a little chillier compared to yesterday in the south. we continue with the strong winds in the north and it will be accompanied by the heavy rain which will store across scotla nd heavy rain which will store across scotland and northern ireland, patchy rain into the far north of england and north and west wales, but the rain really quite heavy in the west and south—west of scotland in particular. temperatures rising over night come into double figures to start saturday, but saturday will bea to start saturday, but saturday will be a wet and windy day, especially for northern areas. further south, a little bit drier. as we go to sunday, the rain clears and it will be replaced by sunny spells and showers. you will notice those temperature starting to come down again especially in the north. bye for now.

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