hello. it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, and we're live from new broadcasting house. staff shortages and huge workloads in the probation service are putting public safety at risk, according to inspectors. they say probation officers lack the professional curiosity to spot potentially dangerous behaviour by offenders. we'll speak to gary hoolickin, the father of 27—year—old michael hoolickin, who was murdered by an offender out on probation. and the chieftains patient tells us officers are not asking ex—inmates basic questions. -- and the chief probation officer. sometimes they are not digging beneath the surface of what is going on in an offender's life, not showing enough kiwi city.

meghan and terry will be able to split their time between the uk and north america, according to the queen. —— and harry. what will that mean? we will speak to people who know them both. the prime minister is not getting involved. i am a massive fan... i think, like most of our viewers, i'm a massive fan certainly of the queen and of the royal family as a fantastic asset for our country. i'm absolutely confident that they are going to sort this out. and do you know what? i think they're probably going to be able to sort it out all the easier without any particular commentary from me. the pm also told bbc breakfast it's not the government's job to bail out the struggling budget airline flybe. and what impact does seeing this picture of adele, who has recently lost three stone, have on you? six in ten women feel inadequate after seeing images of slim women on social media. this ad shows real women exercising instead.

# me again. # allow me to pick up where i left off. all right, let's go, mum. # the biggest phenomenon and i'm picasso with the pen. # just wanna talk that stance till i hit ‘em with the realness. hi. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. would you give a quid to hear this on brexit day? big ben bongs. the pm says he's trying to work out a way for people to contribute to the cost of big ben bonging on jan 31st. it costs half a million quid, he says. will you put in a quid? megan wills says, yes, where's the website? louie says, i can think of dozens more important and worthy causes

that gladly benefit from 500k. big ben does not feed those who struggle, clean up our planet's c02 and neither does it help our already overstretched services. al says, i'd happily chip in. big ben must bong. stuart on twitter says, i think it's a bad move after all the division we have had. let me know what you think. use the hashtag #victorialive, email victoria@bbc.co.uk or text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate. we really want to hear from you if you have been the victim of a crime committed by somebody who was on probation. that is what we will talk about any few minutes. annita mcveigh will bring you that story the news. good morning, everyone. the prime minister has told bbc breakfast that the government will bring forward a plan for social care reform this year, and will get it done within this parliament. borisjohnson said the question of how to fund social care had been

shirked by governments for decades, but his majority would allow him to deal with it. he warned tackling the problem could involve massive change, and said ministers were determined to get it right. we will be bringing forward a plan this year, but we will get it done within this parliament. it's a big, big thing. i mean, this is a potentially massive change in the way we fund social care. and we've got to get it right, we've got to think very carefully about how we do it. a report into child sexual exploitation in manchester has concluded that it took place in plain sight — and victims were failed by police and local authorities. a child care expert and a former senior detective found that an investigation into the grooming of vulnerable teenage girls — predominantly by asian men — was under—resourced. they concluded that fears over race relations were a factor in the way police tackled the issue. gambling firms are to be banned from accepting credit cards from uk customers from april. about 2a million adults in britain gamble.

research for the regulator suggests nearly a quarter of people placing bets online using credit cards are classed as problem gamblers. the government is considering a plan to cut air passenger duty on all domestic flights in order to help the struggling regional airline flybe. the company, which is based in exeter and employs more than 2000 people, has asked to defer its tax bill as part of a rescue deal. the chancellor, sajid javid, is to meet the business and transport departments later. flybe's network includes more than half of uk domestic flights outside london. probation officers in england and wales are being urged to show more professional curiosity about offenders under their supervision — and not to take what they are told at face value. the findings are contained in a report by the inspectorate of probation. officers are currently monitoring more than 100,000 offenders who arejudged to pose a high risk. canada's prime ministerjustin trudeau says he'd support the duke and duchess of sussex moving to his country —

but that the security costs need to be discussed. mr trudeau said he believes most canadians like the idea of harry and meghan settling among them. he made his comments after the queen gave her blessing to the move. the met office has issued a yellow warning for high winds across most of britain today, in the aftermath of storm brendan. ferries to and from the west coast of scotland have been cancelled. this was the scene in ardrossan in ayrshire yesterday. last night, seven flights to gatwick were diverted to other airports. that is the main news so far. back to you, victoria. thank you, good morning. staff shortages and huge workloads in the probation service are putting public safety at risk. that's the conclusion of an inspectors' report into the service in england and wales, published today, which says probation officers lack the professional curiosity to spot potentially dangerous behaviour by offenders who are being managed in the community. in november, usman khan, who had

been jailed over a terror plot, —— and some of the questions that are not being asked by probation officers are really, really basic. in november, usman khan, who had been jailed over a terror plot, and who was being monitored by the probation service, stabbed two people two people to death at a conference next to london bridge. he was tackled by members of the public before being shot and killed. and in december, joseph mccann was convicted of a series of rapes and kidnappings which took place while he was on probation. we'll hear from the chief inspector of probation in a moment, but we will also talk to garry hoolickin. his son michael, pictured here with his own son ellis, was stabbed to death in 2016 by a man who'd been released early from prison under strict conditions. timothy deakin was found guilty of attacking michael, stabbing him five times, in an unprovoked attack. deakin is currently serving a minimum of 27 years for the murder.

lets now speak to gary. thank you for talking to us. what did you find out about the man who took your son from you, in the weeks and months following the merger of your son? we could not believe it, it was atrocious. we found that this kid had been continually causing problems to local people etc. he was committing offences, not being monitored, taking drugs, he was persistent prolific offender. i honestly believe that he felt he could please himself, and this is what happened. the inquest into your son's death heard there was a risk assessment on timothy deakin‘s release, concluding there was a 71% chance of him committing another violent offence within a year of his

release. so as well as all the conditions in place, some of which we re conditions in place, some of which were breached, there was clear indication that he absolutely needed to be supervised. it was frightening. when we have heard about the way it is run, it is scandalous. we have heard managers ina scandalous. we have heard managers in a coroner's court say do you use your work ipad? no, i in a coroner's court say do you use yourwork ipad? no, i do in a coroner's court say do you use your work ipad? no, i do not take it to work. this is one of the main people at rochdale probation service. we go longer and you say that you have meetings about this large every week, not every week, when it comes out, it is probably once a month or when it comes out, it is probably once a month oi’ once a when it comes out, it is probably once a month or once a fortnight. and then they say what about your minutes, who was present at the meeting? 0h, we don't take minutes. we don't take minutes?! we could not believe what we were listening to. and then what do you do with the

drug and then what do you do with the d rug tests ? and then what do you do with the drug tests? i am not sure about that. this is the manager of rochdale probation. sorry to interrupt, you mentioned the drug testing, he was subjected ten conditions including a curfew and drug testing, so he was tested and she tested positive for cannabis and cocaine but was not brought back to jail. he was charged with a driving offence, his curfew which had been lifted was reinstated but he was allowed to remain free. he was arrested on suspicion of the possession of cannabis with intent to supply, but no further action was taken. it is a shocker? i want justice for my son, we need to get this. we have help from the mayor, andy burnham, he will take it on, along with the deputy mayor. we have spoken to the local councillors from rochdale, they are helping us big

style, we have a new mp, chris clarkson, who has been in touch this morning saying he will be. there is a new man in thejob. morning saying he will be. there is a new man in the job. but what does justice mean to you? because deakin is back injailand justice mean to you? because deakin is back injail and will serve a minimum of 20 years. we have heard every excuse minimum of 20 years. we have heard every excuse in the book but the staff have not on the job and it is not satisfactory. i know there are other deaths on rochdale probation service. what do you want? heads rolling, i don't think these people are fit for purpose. when we were in the coroner's court we were in there forfour the coroner's court we were in there for four weeks, the coroner's court we were in there forfour weeks, we the coroner's court we were in there for four weeks, we have the coroner's court we were in there forfour weeks, we have seen the coroner's court we were in there for four weeks, we have seen lie after lie, as far as i am concerned, it is not good enough. in any other job you would be kicked up the road. did anybody lose theirjob as a result of what happened to your son? i have had an e—mailfrom the

previous mp, e—mailed the minister forjustice and she said two senior staff have been released and we found out that when i and talking about now with all these failings has been moved along the line, she has been moved along the line, she has not been released. it is a joke, these people are not fit to look after people, they do not know what they are looking. we have a statement from the probation service. this was a dreadful crime and our thoughts are with the family of mr hoolickin and friends, to whom we apologise unreservedly. two of the staff involved no longer work for probation, although you have told me one of them definitely does. they say we have made significant effo rts they say we have made significant efforts to prevent something like this happening again, recruiting 240 more probation officers in the north west of england and providing extra training and drug testing, risk management to recall procedures. we

have introduced a database to track drug testing of offenders on licence and will now carefully consider the findings of the coroner to identify any further improvements.” findings of the coroner to identify any further improvements. i am sick of hearing we have learned from our m ista kes of hearing we have learned from our mistakes and will do better. they should not have happened. it has happened to other families. we are devastated. these people need justice, lots of these people cannot afford to take the probation on and i could not, i am a ex—professional football and i had a word with gordon taylorfrom the football and i had a word with gordon taylor from the pfa, football and i had a word with gordon taylorfrom the pfa, he football and i had a word with gordon taylor from the pfa, he got me the right solicitors and has funded it, therefore this —— otherwise this would have never come to light. full credit to gordon taylor, without him it would never happen to light. how is your family

and michael's son ellis? ellis is a beautiful large. he is my best mate andi beautiful large. he is my best mate and i his best mate. it is unreal to see... he will grow up without his father, it is scandalous. that is why i want justice, father, it is scandalous. that is why i wantjustice, these people need to be stood up and counted. my wife is suffering with depression, she has been off work for five months. we have been together since 14 years of age, married 44 years, to see her in this state is not a cce pta ble to see her in this state is not acceptable for me, and for me it was caused by the probation. my sons are in the same boat, they are devastated that brother has gone. we are grateful for your time, devastated that brother has gone. we are gratefulfor your time, mr hoolickin, thank you for coming on the programme. we appreciate it and wish you all the best in your fight forjustice. thank you. let's hear from the chief inspector of probation, justin russell.

you say probation officers need to be more professionally curious, what cases have you seen where that has been an issue? we have looked at hundreds of cases each year managed by the probation service, it has to keyjobs, one is to stop people from reoffending, helping them to turn the lights around, the other really important part is protecting the public, preventing risk of harm. that is an issue we have had concerns about as we had done our inspections, and an issue on which we market slightly lower in some areas. provides what questions are probation officers not asking when it comes to supervising offenders that might lead to public be in hand? that might lead to public be in hand ? front line that might lead to public be in hand? front line probation officers are sometimes not showing enough what we call professional curiosity, not digging beneath the surface of what is going on in an offender's lie. if an offender say social services have having contact with their child, they are not necessarily following that up and asking why it is happening. if an

offender says they have moved in with a new partner, they are not asking whether there are children in this new house, and if there are, are they checking the children services that everything is ok? they are services that everything is ok? they a re really services that everything is ok? they are really basic questions which anybody on the street would ask an offender if they raise those issues, so why are they not being asked? we have been surprised at some of those basic checks not being done, particularly not being with the police in relation to potential domestic abuse and also the children services about safeguarding, they are probably the most cunning checks where we are finding they are not being done. they are being join in lots of cases, but not in any surprising amount. we do the checks and if something comes back, you need to follow up the intelligence. from your inspection, what is the reason the cheques are not being? partly because there has been such a focus on reoffending and on offender needs and making sure they are being addressed, that the basics of an

public protection have perhaps not been given so much attention. sorry to interrupt that those examples huge escape, some are no—brainers. an offender on licence, supervised by probation, perhaps the conviction was for serious violence. they say they are moving in with a new partner, it is obvious you ask whether kids are in the house?! you would think so, it is disappointing it is not being done. there are issues when caseloads and management supervision, we have found that managers of front line probation office is have lots of stuff to manage and are not spending as much focusing on the supervision. too much work for the two people. both for the officers and their managers. and 615 vacancies. at the time we did the fieldwork there were 615, there are no 650 across england and

wales, particularly in london in the south—east, the picture is even worse there. we have been speaking to the father of michael hoolickin this morning, he was murdered by timothy deakin, who was out on licence and under the supervision of probation, and there are many errors which led to michael being killed, according to the coroner at his inquest. usman khan, the london bridge attacker, was being monitored by the midlands division of the probation service when he stabbed two people to death at the end of november. he had apparently compiled with de—radicalisation courses before he was released. then there is the serious —— serial rapist joseph mccann who was released in error. the public is not being protected, is it, by some members of the probation service? these are a real concern, we call them serious offences and there about 380 convictions a yearfor offences and there about 380 convictions a year for this type of offence among people who were on probation, each is investigated by

the probation service and it is important that they really learn the lessons from those investigations. they are not necessary disseminating the findings from those reviews and making sure they are improving procedures for protecting the public. for what kind of crimes with those convictions? serious offences, murder, manslaughter, rape, serious sexual offences, that sort of thing. that is really alarming? there are 250,000 people under probation supervision at any one time, it is probably about 0.5% of cases involve further offences, but that is 0.5% too many from a public point of view. the management of 152,000 medium and low risk offenders is being brought back under the remit of the national probation service by the end of 2022, by the government, after the disastrous privatisation from the formerjustice secretary chris grayling. do you worry about what those offenders might be able

to do when they are being brought back into public control? probation officers i speak to welcome the fact that the offender management parties being brought back together in the national probation service, but it's already happening in wales, it will happen everywhere else from 2021, but it needs to be accompanied by resources to bring the caseloads down, it is no purchase bringing very big caseloads from the private to the public sector if you are not putting in more resources to give eve ryo ne putting in more resources to give everyone a putting in more resources to give eve ryo ne a lower putting in more resources to give everyone a lower caseload, so i hope the changes are backed the resources . the changes are backed the resources. he said another 35 probation officers had been taken on since you did this report, justice minister lucy fraser acknowledges that probation is not getting enough of the basics right, which is why, she says, we're bringing back all offender management under the national probation service, which inspected says is good at protecting the public. it is clear the workload is too high for many probation officers and the new officers

currently training to join the nps will make a real difference. do you have a view on whether 800 is enough? it is a start and it is good the number is increasing, but as it stands the number of probation officers and posters not increasing, so it is important it feeds into real increase. the other thing to bearin real increase. the other thing to bear in mind is precious on the probation service will increase in the future once you recruit 20,000 more police officers, that will mean more police officers, that will mean more business coming through the courts and onto the probation service, so demand will probably only increase in the future. when you say it is important that the training feeds through to front line officers, do you mean some people train and don't end up as a probation officer? yes, they end up as probation officers, but 6% of probation officers leave every year, not everyone will complete the training but hopefully most of them will, that it takes a year—and—a—half to two years, so there is a lag time before they become trained. thank you for

talking to us. thank you for having me. i was asking if you or someone you love has been the victim of crime are simply out on probation. 0ne love has been the victim of crime are simply out on probation. one man says might automatic man on a dating app, he ended up living with her, he controlled my daughter and grandchildren. after awhile i found out his real name and that he was a convicted rapist on the six offenders register out on licence after doing six out of the 11 years he was sentenced to. i find that he was not allowed to leave the area he lived in without permission from his bail officers, but he did. he has now been sent back to prison, the probation service is a joke. mark says i don't usually contact programmes but my friend was recently let down by the police, who dropped the charges against a violent repeat who attacked my mate while on probation and while he was tired. the attack happened 18 months ago on a sunny summer day tired. the attack happened 18 months ago on a sunny summer day in the garden of a local pub. my mate,

james, not its real name, became involved in an argument with a man which escalated. the man pulled out a long metalfile, basically a foot long solid metal bar tapered at one end. he began to strike my friends, aiming for his head, and left him needing six stitches above his eye. the attacker fled the scene in a car and, we found out later, he had cut its probation ankle tag off, reaching his conditions completely. this man should never have been released early and should not be serving more time behind bars. to my knowledge, he still walks free today. gary says i was attacked a number of years ago on a night out with someone on probation for a bh. i suffered a broken rib and finger. yes, he was recalled to prison, but i was told he should not have been released due to the fact he was high—risk, but i was told at the time prisons could not cope, hence his release. it needs to be sorted.

paul says i have been a victim of this, the guy in question has mental health issues as well as being violent, he threw stones at my face andi violent, he threw stones at my face and i had to cover my eyes with my hand. he launched forward and grabbed my hand, he put it in his mouth and bit my fingers. he also attacked his four girlfriends and head—butted her. we live near him, we have contacted the police and the mp but nothing will be done about him. -- mp but nothing will be done about him. —— he also attacked his former girlfriend. thank you for those, keep them coming in. if you or someone you know keep them coming in. if you or someone you know has been a victim of crime perpetrated by someone on probation, let me know. yet introducing the details on screen. coming up later in the programme... big ben bongs. should big ben bong

for brexit. the pm says £500,000 is needed to make it happen. are you willing to contribute? a p pa re ntly are you willing to contribute? apparently we would all have to chip and we'll talk to people who know harry and meghan about the "transition period" agreed by the queen to allow them to split their time between canada and the uk. let's talk about bongs and more important matters with chris mason, our political correspondent. it's "epically likely" that there will be a full trade deal between the eu and uk by the end of the year, according to the pm who has given his first major interview since winning the election to bbc breakfast this morning. he also said the international nuclear agreement with iran could be replaced by a deal negotiated by donald trump. chris, tokas through the highlights? this was a pretty comprehensive ca nter this was a pretty comprehensive canter around this was a pretty comprehensive ca nter around the this was a pretty comprehensive canter around the prime minister's inbox, the first time we have heard from him in detail in the new year. he popped up upright ministers questions last week that has been relatively quiet, particularly in

contrast with the image of the boris johnson of old. —— he popped up at prime minister is questions. he disappeared into a submarine and sent his ministers and there. he gave an interview to dan walker. interesting language on iran, on the so—called jcpoa, thejoint competitive plan of action, for trying to ensure iran does not develop a nuclear weapon. this was signed in 2015 by the permanent members of the un security council, the uk and the us are both members. the idea being that in return for an easing of sanctions iran would be limited in its nuclear ambitions. president trump thinks it is the worst deal in human history, he does not like it and pulled the states out. the prime minister attempting to tempt america back into some sort of arrangement with the mutual

a cce pta nce of arrangement with the mutual acceptance that the world should stop iran from developing a nuclear weapon and suggesting that perhaps america could reap budget. if donald trump does not like the idea of a deal signed by previous president 0bama, perhaps there could be trump deal. somehow or other we had to stop iranians acquiring a nuclear i think that is what the junk collective point agreement does, the jcpoa. but if we are to get rid of that, we need a replacement. the problem with the jcpoa, this is the crucial thing, this is why there is this tension, from an american perspective it is a flawed agreement, it expires, plus it was negotiated by president 0bama and from their point of view it has many, many faults. if we are to get rid of it, let's replace it with the trump deal. that is what we need to

see. that was diplomacy out loud, the prime minister attempting to squared the circle of the big division that exists in global geopolitics between the united states peer instincts, the white house's instinct on what to do with tehran and the usefulness or otherwise of the iran nuclear deal, and frankly that he of the other existing signatories to it. in reality, victoria, any deal that is worth it as far as iran is concerned has to involve america, so the prime minister is trying to reach out to donald trump and try to find a way of re—patching it, because we share the common goal of trying to ensure iran does not get a nuclear weapon. i think it is written into myjob contract that i had to talk about brexit even when i had spent the previous five minutes talking about iran, the prime minister is sticking to his guns and that he believes he can do what many would have thought was nigh on impossible, using the 11 month apple store two weeks on

friday, when the uk leaves the european union, to sort out the relationship with the eu —— the 11 months that will start two weeks on friday. he thinks he can do it in this tight timetable even though plenty wonder if it is realistic. what did he say about the short answer, nothing. longer answer, additional words to pat that out. he is desperate to avoid any comment whatsoever on harry and meghan. dan walker tried every which way to skin that cat, the skin remains on the catch. look at this. i and a massive fan... like most of our viewers eye and a massive fan, certainly of the queen and the royal family is a fantastic asset for other country. i am absolutely confident that they are going to sort this out. do you know what? they will probably be able to sort it out is here without

any particular commentary from me. the man who had spent a lifetime as a commentator, repeatedly declined on the opportunity to say pretty much anything about that. i think he has realise there is nothing in it for him and so the temptation is one he repeatedly dodged. do you think people will chip in a click to hear big ben chimes on brexit day night? —— chip big ben chimes on brexit day night? -- chip in big ben chimes on brexit day night? —— chip in acreage. let boris johnson is advocating a scheme where people could type into their bank details and throw in a quid to make the big ben bongs bong, and why on earth it costs half a million cleared for 11 bongs, there were 12 bongs two weeks ago for new year's eve. i don't understand the rate per bong but it is quite pricey. studio: we will speak to a bong expert later, do not worry. perhaps i

should say a club expert! thank you, chris. so a "period of transition" it is then, agreed by the queen, william charles and harry, to allow harry and meghan to spend time in both the uk and canada, while the finer details of their future relationship with the monarchy are worked through. in a really personal statement released last night the queen said: "my family and i are entirely supportive of harry and meghan s desire to create a new life as a young family. the canadian pm, justin trudeau had this to say when asked whether canadians would be responsible for paying for the couple's security. there's still a lot of decisions to be taken by the royal family, there's still a lot of decisions to be taken by the royalfamily, by there's still a lot of decisions to be taken by the royal family, by the success of themselves as to what level of engagement they choose to have and these are things that we are obviously supportive of that, but we have responsibilities in that as well. we are not entirely sure what the final decisions will be,

where the dispositions are and those are decisions for them. i think most canadians are very supportive of having royals be here about how that looks and what kind of costs are involved, there still lots of discussions to have. let's talk to dean stott, a former british special forces soldier who served with prince harry and has been a friend of his for 12 years, nick ede, a public relations expert who knows meghan, dr shola mos—shogbamimu lawyer and women's rights activist, and royal correspondent jonny diamond. dean, did you know he headed the media spotlight? he mentioned in october he could see history repeating itself, he made a point in the comment, he has a potential dislike to the way the media go about things. having known him all this time, did you know he disliked

that element of his job? he's actually a shy individual, when i met him in the military, he was most co mforta ble met him in the military, he was most comfortable there, are neutral with his counterparts, obviously he has his counterparts, obviously he has his royal duties and has to be in the public life but i think where he is most comfortable is away and out of sight of the media. what do you think of this arrangement? his personal circumstances have changed, he is married, has a young family, he is married, has a young family, he is married, has a young family, he is not going to be the future king but i think where their passions are as charity and it's where he sees himself best served, working alongside his wife. you knew him before and after his marriage, do you see a difference, what do you say to those who say his wife is the one driving this? he asked my friends did i see them more often than when i was married, he is a family man, his priorities have changed, he needs to serve megan and archie, b and on a person as best as possible. nick, you introduce megan to various people when she came to

the country, and became herfriend. how were you helping her when she came here? she was working with me on charity work, as soon as i met heri on charity work, as soon as i met her i understood she's very altruistic and she wants to use her talents and fame in a really good way. and also, she was in suits at the time and she wanted to know how they could be in place when they we re they could be in place when they were not filming and i helped her meet and agents etc. the friendship hasn't been maintained, are you ok with that? the friendship hasn't been maintained, you get married, people drop off but also i think, she is in a different shift, she has gone her way, i she is in a different shift, she has gone herway, iwent she is in a different shift, she has gone her way, i went man, she is in a different shift, she has gone herway, iwent man, i sent she is in a different shift, she has gone her way, i went man, i sent her a text when she got married, wishing her lots of love and good luck didn't get a reply, she has probably changed her phone number but the fa ct changed her phone number but the fact that the matter is, i'm not bitter about it, fact that the matter is, i'm not bitterabout it, i'm not fact that the matter is, i'm not bitter about it, i'm not someone like piers morgan who will talk about it all the time, all i will

say is i'm proud of what she's done in the future for them is really exciting. we will talk about what kind of things they might do when it comes to paid employment in the future with you in a moment. you have been accused of being racist against white people, by no less than james jordan, former professional dancer on strictly come dancing, he's the most high profile name who is accused you of that, what do you think of that when you've been in the say racism has played a part here? i think first, i know i'm not a racist and i understand a lot of people who are triggered by the truth of racism. they can't handle the truth. and because they can't handle the truth, they would look to displace, distract, i am they would look to displace, distract, lam not they would look to displace, distract, i am not anti—white, they would look to displace, distract, lam not anti—white, if being anti—racist means being anti—white, there is no correlation, it makes no sense. the fact that not just me but a lot of other people, including white people, have called out racism, notjust within

including white people, have called out racism, not just within the context of what's happening with harry and meghan, but it is a cultural issue in the united kingdom. tells you that it's something people are really uncomfortable about talking. also think about the fact i find it quite interesting that people are more outraged about the so—called race ca rd outraged about the so—called race card being played than being outraged by recent behaviour. it begs the question what kind of society are we? why is it difficult for you to understand, accept, it's also your responsibility? and the fa ct also your responsibility? and the fact that a lot of people like myself, black people, ethnic minorities, are done with having to be bear the burden of not being oppressed by racism than having to defend ourselves from racism, than having to explain what the racism to people who perpetrate racism and then be at the brunt of the denial from the same perpetrators that our

lived experience of racism doesn't exist. people, we are done with that. it's exhausting. what is going to happen in the next few days and will that iron out their future?|j will that iron out their future?” don't know what's going to happen in the next few days. thank you for being honest. it won't iron out the problems in the future, is my best guess. let's talk about the hrh bit will that stay or go, the titles? no indication the titles will go, the use of the phrase harry and meghan ina use of the phrase harry and meghan in a statement yesterday was a sign of warmth and inclusivity. but, there's just so many big of warmth and inclusivity. but, there'sjust so many big questions, still, that really haven't been resolved, still money, still independence, still royal duties, still where they will live most of the time, this is loads and loads of big questions. how can harry and meghan earn money without tarnishing the monarchy? it's interesting with the monarchy? it's interesting with the disney talk, voice—overs the monarchy? it's interesting with the disney talk, voice-overs we played the clip on the programme

yesterday. i think what they will do very cleverly is make sure in their contracts will be this altruistic site where a percentage will be given toa site where a percentage will be given to a charity and everything they do has got some purpose. you know, i think she will look at fashion, she is very passionate about, she did very well with the collection she did and promoted in vogue, i think she'll probably do that but on a larger scale, a lot of that but on a larger scale, a lot of that money going to great causes.” can't tell if you are raising your eyebrows. your facial expression is changing. the problem remains whatever you do, unless it is really entirely charitable you open yourself up, rightly or wrongly, fairly or not, to accusations of exploiting your title, your rank.” think they are darned if you do, darnedif think they are darned if you do, darned if you don't, do what makes you happy. that's a motto for life. i think without a doubt, megan cannot win for losing, frankly, if she is quite she's criticised, if she is quite she's criticised, if she is quite she's criticised, if she is focal she's criticised. i in life, both of them have to be able

to get to a point where they say, in the words ofjohn bercow, i cannot give a flying flamingo what you think any more, i need to live a life that is sustainable and of purpose. i think it's important for the people to understand the royal family are not public chattel, they had duties people feel they own them because of the money that comes from the sovereign grant. i'm sorry, your employer does not own you. i think at the end of the day we cannot expect them to be subject to all of this abuse and that is really important for us to understand that. we, asa important for us to understand that. we, as a society, we have played a pa rt we, as a society, we have played a part in your decision. to step away from the royal duties. are we taking responsibility for that? no, we want to blame megan, we want to call harry emotionally damaged because he walked behind his mother 's coffin. what we as a society have done, we need to take responsibility. what

has happened between william and harry. there is what feels very much like an irreparable rift. i mean, of course, they are brothers and we all have relatives we have fallen out with and at the time, we think this is it, forever, i am never speaking to them again, but it's not good at all. do you know what it's about? i note bits of it, and there's this horrible line we tread, this institution we are interested in because of the personalities within it. their public lives, private lives, and i end up talking for more than i ever imagined i would about somebody ‘s private life. i know bits of it, i know it's not good, institutionally they have had two hassles for a while, on different tracks, there is a functionality about that is what happens and they are going to different continents. make your own call. -- hassles. are you allowed to tell us what you know? there's no question of aloud, no one is standing outside saying don't tell them this, it's just a

question of it's whether you've got it from more than one source. pa rt got it from more than one source. part of it is that part of it is they remain individuals and human beings and deserve a degree of privacy and respect. well said. that statement from both brothers yesterday which refuted a story in the times newspaper which suggested william had potentially bullied harry, you've raised over 900 grand for the heads together charity that they fought so hard on together. that was really significant, the joint statement, despite everything that's going on around them. and it's those words, so damaging. all the good they've done with the charity to start using those words come up with something they are both passionate about but it's good to see they have come together and in a statement and may be reviewed some of these allegations that the relationship is irreparable. i don't think that's the case. all families have disputes. william is going to

be the future king, he has his path and harry has his own path. you think the relationship can be repaired? i think it can. they are siblings. they have gone through trauma with the death of their mother. they note life is short. this is family, people. i think we really need to stop getting overly outraged and feeding into the immediate manipulation of our emotions over this. i think it's important that we stop applying rank hypocrisy and double standards to the royal family. why would you apply standards to them that you do not want to live by? who in their right mind would want to see in any position they get abuse and they cannot respond? i think if william sees his brother happy at last, unsettled, we give them a little bit of time to do what they've got to do, ithink of time to do what they've got to do, i think then you will see the family coming back because everybody has settled in the right place that they want to be, as you say, you live 1's life, let them live theirs. i think one of the good things that

has come out of this conversation, we talk about the issues that provoked the decision, whether it's racism, sexism, misogyny, bigotry around some of these harsh criticisms, right? ithink around some of these harsh criticisms, right? i think the bottom line is the storm that has arisen has shown there is a real lack of understanding amongst people of what privilege is, how people don't understand there's a difference between white privilege and class privilege, how people don't understand, in practical terms, if two people walk into a store, one is black, one is white, without a doubt it will be that that person followed by the sales assistant, not the white person, even though black person may have more money and can pay for what it is they want to pay for. so why is that? it's because of the colour of theirskin, the that? it's because of the colour of their skin, the treatment one person would receive because of the colour of theirskin would receive because of the colour of their skin but people don't understand that and i think they need to under five people talk about what privilege is not calling every white person racist, that's not the

point of it. that's different from racism but it feeds into racism which is why i repeat my point. white folks need to go and educate themselves over racism and stop asking us, give me examples. you're not going to like what i have to say to you! thank you all, i appreciate you coming in. thank you. a report into child sex exploitation in manchester published this morning has concluded that fears over race relations were a factor in the way police tackled the crimes, which took place in plain sight. the report, carried out by a child care expert and a former senior detective found that an investigation into the grooming of vulnerable teenage girls — predominantly by asian men — was under—resourced. let's talk to our correspondent dan johnson who's here with me now. these are historical cases, why are they being looked at now? there's some really grim detail here, some shocking revelations but perhaps the

most shocking is that some of this is familiar. there were concerns, people coming forward, whistle—blowing, saying things weren't right and children weren't being protected, this review was launched a couple of years ago by andy burnham after some of the whistle—blowers spoke out in a bbc documentary. the review published in the last hour says authorities knew many children were being subjected to the most profound abuse and exploitation that did not protect them from the perpetrators. there was a police investigation, back in 2004 when this was first brought to light, but the review says there was a fundamental flaw in how that operation was resourced. that had a significant negative impact on the investigation strategy, the operation was prematurely closed down by senior officers. it says that's potentially because of concerns they may be shaking up political issues that they wanted to be politically correct because most of the perpetrators were suspected

to be asians. this started because of one particular case involving one young woman. yes, a teenager called victoria who was abused from at least the age of 13, while she was in the care of manchester city council. the review says only weeks before her death, she disclosed to social workers that she was being injected with heroin by an older asian man for favours. injected with heroin by an older asian man forfavours. it injected with heroin by an older asian man for favours. it says injected with heroin by an older asian man forfavours. it says no action was taken by police asoka workers to address that and she subsequently died, having been administered an overdose. the men who sexually exploited her have never been brought to justice, who sexually exploited her have never been brought tojustice, her family have been campaigning a new for investigation in greater manchester police says that will now happen, in fact, manchester police says that will now happen, infact, investigation manchester police says that will now happen, in fact, investigation is already under way and has been reopened. one of the men known to be abusing her was allowed to visit her in care at three times a week and there is so much more staggering detail. thank you. reporting on

those multiple, very distressing cases. more than six in 10 women feel inadequate after seeing images of slim women on social media — according to a poll for sport england for their this girl can campaign. adele's recently been photographed having lost, it's reported, up to three stone with various reports of how she's done it — from dieting to pilates to exercise. according to this poll today, almost a third of all women said they would also like to see women on social media exercising without make—up while a fifth think they should post about sweating, periods or the menopause. here's the new this girl can advert... # me again. # allow me to pick up where i left off. all right, let's go, mum. # the biggest phenomenon and i'm picasso with the pen. # just wanna talk that stance till i hit ‘em with the realness. # figured i should say some' but you don't wanna hear me vent.

# you can talk bad all day long i will never be impressed. # dunno what i did to make you feel that you be earnin' my respect. # i followed the white rabbit. # got a couple carrots, i know that i got bad habits. # tryna find the balance. # i'm in the store like, "i wanna have it, i gotta have it!" # you are not the toughest or baddest, my pen is the maddest. # i've probably ended careers and it's never out of malice! # may as well get a birthday cake and it ain't even my birthday. # ‘cause when i switch, then they wanna say that i'm a... # you're not listening. # i said it with my chest and i don't care who i offend. # uh—huh! # ha! let's speak to glenis evans, who featured in the advert, kate dale, sport england, ama agbeze, the who was england netball captain when they won commonwealth gold in 2018.

welcome all of you. briefly explain amniotic band syndrome which you have. it means the amniotic sac in the womb, it entangles the digits, i don't have feet, ankles, my hand as well. how significant is that you are featured in this advert? so much, iam are featured in this advert? so much, i am the only one with a disability as well, i'm trying to inspire people, if i have a physical disability and i am out their swimming, getting active, i want to support women to do the same. let me bring you in, interested in the results of this poll today. how do you react to the fact six in ten —ish feel inadequate when they see pictures of other slim women on social media? it doesn't surprise me,| social media? it doesn't surprise me, i have some of those feelings myself sometimes, it doesn't surprise me but i think given that we know social media is such a go—to

place for advice and information, inspiration, the fact that a lot of it can make us feel like we cannot ta ke it can make us feel like we cannot take part and there's no point, it could be really powerful and that's what we want to try and get it back to. which is why people like glynis are involved and what i would describe as normal women. did i see in that advert, a woman pulling up her pants and a string of a tap—in? we know the issue periods make women feel they can't get active, it's 2020, we should be able to talk about something that had the population will experience for a chunk of their life every month, are still quite a lot of shame and embarrassment, and we wanted to show that all aspects of being a woman are just completely normal. professional athlete, quite different to a lot of the rest of us, 100 england netball caps under your belt. when you post on social media how aware are you of what you

post, how you look and how it impacts on other women?” post, how you look and how it impacts on other women? i think social media is a great tool, more and more so i am social media is a great tool, more and more so i am aware social media is a great tool, more and more so i am aware of people looking up to you and understanding that it affects people and how it affects those people. i think a lot of people professional athletes or influencers, or people who have a lot of followers, they think about what they are posting, not necessarily in how it affects other people but themselves, filters are used, that kind of thing. actually, it doesn't resonate with reality and social media sort of betrays a perfect life, people post photos of their holiday, post themselves training but they are not really sweating or anything so it's different to the reality and i think what this survey has done shows that's not what women see when they see people posted on social media. they need to have a reality check in terms of what happens and that can

resonate with people so they actually know everybody is the same. asa actually know everybody is the same. as a professional athlete, i struggled to go to the gym sometimes andl struggled to go to the gym sometimes and i feel intimidated in gyms and there's days i don't want to get out of bed and i have period pains and sometimes i have a match on a day when i have my period and howl combat that it is you heard it's not talked about and in this day and age it should be. can i ask you about adele, who lost weight, looks incredible, almost every woman i know or who i've spoken to about this, we want to know how she did it? do the celebrity examples of weight loss or getting fit or getting healthy like that, make us feel inadequate in your view? yes, i think they do and i think people, are dealt looks amazing and we should be saying how does she feel? is that ideal for herself. —— adele. what's healthy for me, what's going

to make me feel 0k? there is no quick fix to losing weight. i think this campaign is trying to say you need to be active, you don't necessarily have to go to exercise classes, you need to be active in any way you can. sorry, i come up we have these pictures of adele, she looks amazing, when you look at her and how much weight she has lost, what does it make you feel like?m i'm honest, it doesn't really affect me that much. you think are good for her. i think good for her, if that's how she wants to lose weight, that's fine, everybody has their own journey and their own weight loss.” wa nt journey and their own weight loss.” want to know when her next album is out, when she is on tour, she looks incredible and i'm pleased for her efforts what she wants but it's the least interesting thing about her. she's achieved all of this and yet with women we focus on their body and weight loss and it's not in terms of their health, it's what they look like and it's still a very one—dimensional view of what it is to bea

one—dimensional view of what it is to be a woman. to sum up, the point of this new campaign is what? i don't mind who answers. to encourage more women and girls to think that they can move more, they can get active, feel good about themselves, no matter what they look like what they are doing, no one else should tell them what to do, it's about them and their bodies.” tell them what to do, it's about them and their bodies. i have a physical disability, i get up every day, with a normaljob, so many things going on but i always make time to go swimming and stay active and keep fit. that's my advice. thank you, all of you, thank you for your time. thanks very much for coming on the programme. and good luck with the campaign. what do you think of when you hear this sound? big ben chimes.

traditionally, it's chimed in the most important moments in british history at the palace of westminster. but big ben's bell is currently under restoration, and there are concerns that it won't ring on brexit day — that's january the 31st — because of ‘financial and logistical‘ issues. but borisjohnson says they‘re now looking at new ways to finance a £500k plan that will see big ben bong for brexit. he is wondering if people should contribute, chipping a quid. one viewer says big ben chiming in brexit day would be worth every penny, another viewer says it would be the belle of doom. let‘s talk paul kembery, a clock restoration expert and member of the british watch and clockmakers guild. good morning, why does it cost have a million quid. have £1 million as

the estimate, what you have to remember is this is an ongoing project that‘s been going on for four years. if you imagine the size ofa four years. if you imagine the size of a normal clock mechanism, these are massive wheels and the bill itself has to be lowered down from the tower itself. and as an ongoing project, the problem is it was put infor project, the problem is it was put in for remembrance sunday, for the belle to strike and for new year‘s eve. and there is a platform required and what they are doing at the moment i understand is a temporary electric motor that strikes the bell, the club as boris johnson called it, we tend to crop call it the striking hammer, the other issue that i‘ve been told, the logistics, the two weeks needed to do it, it‘s probably not enough to put that platform back in to put the electric motor there, to make the hammer strike for the leaving of the eu on the 31st of january.

hammer strike for the leaving of the eu on the 31st ofjanuary. even if people chipped in some cash it‘s probably not enough time. how heavy is the bell? the bell itself is 13 and a half tonnes, 2.7 metres in diameter. in the victorian period when it was cast, it was the largest bell ever cast in the uk. it was by john warner and sons originally. this is a massive bell on a huge scale. i think originally when it was made, they had problems with the casting and there was a crack through it so it had to be remade. it's through it so it had to be remade. it‘s such an iconic sound, i think the most photographed, iconic landmark in london. and i understand it‘s a political thing, victoria, but it is really important, and iconic. do you think it should chime in brexit day, so—called independence day? it's a 50-50 thing, if we work on the brexit thing, if we work on the brexit thing, whether it should, personally

i would love to hear it strike, it was done for new year‘s eve, for remembrance sunday. let‘s hope there is some crowdfunding, they pull out the stops to do it. i think sir bill cash amongst others, they will need some pretty big ear defenders, i know they are used to noise in the house of commons but it would be a massive sound. cheers, paul. in excess of the bells chime it would bea excess of the bells chime it would be a slap in the face to millions of us who did not want to leave and disrespectful to the european neighbours. angie says i would love to hear the chimes. i‘m also willing to hear the chimes. i‘m also willing to donate money. thanks for your time today and your company. back tomorrow. have a good day. hello, good morning. storm brendan yesterday brought us strong winds and heavy rain across the uk, that now cleared away to the north, this area of low pressure we are keeping an eye on, moving in across the uk, the white lines closer together, a

speu the white lines closer together, a spell of wet and windy conditions for this afternoon across england and wales, in particular, the rain spreading north and east. some snow this morning across the higher ground of scotland, perhaps more in the afternoon, the wind gusts, quite widely for england and wales, 50—60 mile an hour gusts, potentially 70, 70 five miles an hour in the west and south—west. lasting longerfor this afternoon compared to yesterday. further north, chilly, strong winds in the far north of scotland, further south temperature is 30 degrees. tonight the rain will linger across the south—east, that could bring localised flooding, that will clear away and for many parts, as we go through wednesday, it will be drier, some sunny spells, still quite blustery conditions in scotland, further showers and wintry showers. goodbye for now.

you‘re watching bbc newsroom live ? it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: in his first interrview since the election — the prime minister calls for calm in the middle east — and for the us to agree to a new nuclear deal with iran. if we are going to get rid of it, let‘s replace it, and let‘s replace it with the trump deal. iranian authorities say they‘ve arrested ‘several people‘ in relation to the shooting down of a ukrainian passenger jet last week. dozens of children, abused by grooming gangs, were failed by manchester police and local authorities, according to a damning report. the government considers cutting air passenger duty on all domestic flights, as part of a plan to save regional