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hello, it's friday, it's ten o'clock, i'mjoanna gosling, and we're live from new broadcasting house. campaigners have told his programme the uk is "hurtling towards a major stroke crisis" because of a shortage of specialist doctors. —— told this programme. we can exclusively reveal that half the hospitals in the uk have vacancies for stroke consultants — meaning many patients can't get the care they need. i couldn't go anywhere, i got scared of collapsing. i couldn't go out. you totally lose... you totally lose everything, you need help that you have not got any help, nothing there for you at all. ijust have not got any help, nothing there for you at all. i just felt lost. leading psychiatrists say social media firms must hand over their data so that independent research can be carried out into how
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it's affecting our mental health. we'll talk to sarah lechmere, who has anorexia and says she found social media supportive at first, but then things turned nasty — she's seen comments telling people to kill themselves. and we'll talk to a woman who says she's happy to be a so—called tradwife, putting her husband first in all circumstances, and wants people to stopjudging her. i wouldn't kind of expect my husband to come home from a long day's work and have to cook for me, because my role is being at home. myjob is, essentially, housework. alena pettit is here along with feminist writer vicki psarias, to discuss whether the concept is a backwards step for women's rights orjust an example of feminist choice. and exclusive figures suggest one in four dog owners who suspect their puppy may have been illegally imported do not report it. we'll meet bruce, who was smuggled into the uk from bulgaria.
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hi, thanks forjoining us. we're live until 11 this morning. we've got some great talking points on the programme today, so do join in the conversation with your opinions and experiences. have you bought a puppy you think may have been illegally imported or bred on a puppy farm and had problems as a result? and what do you think about the idea of being a so called traditional wife? are you one? do you put your husband before everything else? men, is that what you want? let us know — please use the hashtag #victorialive if you're getting in touch on twitter. you can also email victoria@bbc.co.uk or text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate. first rebecca jones has the news. good morning. social media companies — such as facebook, twitter and instagram — should be forced to share details about how young people use their sites and the way they tailor content.
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proposals by the royal college of psychiatrists could see companies face a new tax, which would fund research into a how a child's online activity affects their mental health. ian russell, who believes instagram was partly responsible for his daughter molly taking her life at the age 01:14, is backing the calls. the uk is "hurtling towards a major stroke crisis" because of a shortage of specialist consultants, according to the stroke association. in 2016, alison brown had what is believed to have been at least one minor stroke. a british teenagerfound guilty
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of lying about being gang raped in cyprus has launched an appeal against her conviction. the 19—year—old had denied causing public mischief and on thursday lawyers filed the grounds for her appeal at the supreme court of cyprus. she is now back in the uk after receiving a suspended jail term. eminem has called for the end to gun violence in the release of his album. the surprise album, music to be murdered by, features a song called darkness, which comes from the perspective of the shooter responsible for the 2017 las vegas mass shooting. the video ends with words "when will this end?", before asking the viewer to register to vote and help change american gun laws. new research has shown that almost a quarter of all new food products launched in the uk last year were vegan. the retail analysts mintel found sales of meat—free foods grew 40% in 2019, with nearly two thirds of british people consuming meat substitutes.
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however, the research found only about i% of the uk population describe themselves as vegan. a sovereign made when edward viii was king has become the first british coin to sell for £1 million. it 5 just 22 millimetres in diameter and only six coins are thought to have been made in a trial set, before edward abdicated in december 1936. the rare item was bought by a private collector, who described the sale as a "once in a lifetime opportunity." now, there's was no "foaling around" in cardiff last night for a horse on the loose on a busy road in cardiff. the horse was wandering on a main road in the city, some motorists did pull over to help. those that helped were able to get
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the horse safely on a bus. it's unclear if it will be "saddled" with a fine, after falling "foal" of the law. i bet you were pleased i had to say that energy did not, joanna! studio: friendly enough, that is exactly what was thinking. great picture, though. the uk is "hurtling towards a major stroke crisis" because of a shortage of specialist consultants, according to the stroke association. exclusive figures given to this programme by the charity and king's college london suggest 48% of hospitals in england, wales and northern ireland have had at least one stroke consultant post unfilled for more than 12 months. this is a rise of 8% on 2016. it is a similar picture in scotland, where figures suggest half of nhs trusts have a shortage. the charity says it means more people risk being left with a severe lifelong disability after suffering a stroke, and means huge medical advances in the last decade are going unused.
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i was having a lot of symptoms where i was fainting and i kept saying to my dad, if i don't wake up, i love you — i was telling him how much i love him. if you're leaving hospital in a wheelchair and you can't walk, there's something seriously wrong. allison brown first knew something was wrong during 2016. yet despite multiple hospital visits, non—specialist doctors failed to discover she had had at least one minor stroke. ifelt like i was in and out, in and out, in and out. i was seen by two doctors in hospital and they actually told me i had an ear infection. then, aged 3a, allison suffered a bilateral artery dissection, a common cause of stroke in young people resulting from a tear in a blood vessel in the neck. i was actually at a dance class at the time. i literallyjust moved my head like that, just to warm up, and i just collapsed. i got took to hospital from there. she struggled for a diagnosis again. she says an issue with the blood flow to the brain was discovered, but then dismissed.
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and they actually discharged me with a migraine. i ended up collapsing again on the sunday. this time she went to a hospital with a dedicated stroke unit and received excellent care. it highlights the importance of specialist staff. yet new data shows almost half of hospitals in england, wales and northern ireland have a shortage of specialist consultants. the stroke association charity said this is putting thousands of lives at risk and many more patients in danger of severe disability. when allison was discharged, her community care ended before she was fully able to walk. this is despite guidelines saying it must continue while patients show measurable benefits. the amount of care that you get for when you come out, it's just not long enough. i was sat in this house staring out the window. i couldn't go anywhere — i was scared of collapsing. i couldn't go out. you totally lose... you just totally lose everything you do. you need help, but you've not got any help. you've got nothing there for you at all.
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i just felt lost. just... i'm sorry. you just feel you have nobody. it's just hard work because you get everything taken off you, you've got nothing at all. it's just hard. sorry. allison had to seek support from outside the nhs. she has since had further blackouts that have left her in hospital. rarely, she says, has a specialist stroke consultant been on hand. allison is now managing a lot better, but she say she will never be fully the same again, and that this could have been prevented were experienced stroke specialists in place. i felt like i was fighting from day one — for diagnosis, for the rehab. just fighting through the whole thing. here to talk about her experience is carole pyke, a stroke
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survivor. also with us, juliet bouverie, head of the stroke association, and drjonathan birns, a consultant in stroke medicine at guy's and st thomas‘ in london. welcome, all of you, thanks for coming in. you have had two strokes, carole, and on both occasions took a while to get diagnosed? the first one, i had a car accident which meant i went to hospital and the triage nurse so that there was something... a problem. but i have an underlying condition called lupus and so! an underlying condition called lupus and so i thought it was a lupus flare, and lots of people thought it was as well, so for the first stroke i was put on a medical ward. they had turned a ct scan, it was unclear but it took three days before they did an mri scan which dictated that there was a stroke, i suffered a
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right frontal lobe infarct, then they moved me to a stroke ward, so for a few days i was on steroid injections and physio because my left side was weak, then i realised it was a stroke, i moved to the srebrenica board and everything changed. the best so on that occasion to you think it was an understandable misdiagnosis initially because of your underlying condition of lupus? yes, i was a woman of a certain age with an underlying condition and presenting systems, but it is not always the condition causing the symptoms. i also have a syndrome which means i am prone to clots, and a clot was the problem. and you had a second stroke and you were not diagnosed for some time despite effectively having a history of it? they had diagnosed it in terms of they put me ona ward diagnosed it in terms of they put me on a ward and the ct scan had shown
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there was a bleed, but they were not quite sure what to do about it and they were waiting... i was in one hospital and they were waiting for another to give them some indicators of what to do, and it was interesting because i was in one hospitalfor interesting because i was in one hospital for 12 hours and interesting because i was in one hospitalfor 12 hours and it interesting because i was in one hospital for 12 hours and it felt that they were now panicking because i was blue related to another hospitalfor i was blue related to another hospital for them i was blue related to another hospitalfor them to i was blue related to another hospital for them to take care of me. do you think these delays had an impact on your recovery? because the pa rt impact on your recovery? because the part of me that says, do you know what, the fact i am breathing, i need to get up, i will get up and keep going, but in terms of support it has been awful for the last... this is month 11 and i have had the worst kind of support from the nhs. you are sitting here seaming really well, really healthy, what is the legacy of your strokes? a stroke is a brain injury and the townspeople
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do not understand that, even the medical profession, that it is a brain injury. one of the presenting symptoms it's physical but there are so symptoms it's physical but there are so many symptoms it's physical but there are so many more symptoms it's physical but there are so many more cognitive challenges, in terms of processing, being able to focus and do a whole host of other things that nobody is taking into consideration. i have spoken to doctors over the last ten months, saying that i see the world differently from other people, i am less likely autistic in terms of icy things in black—and—white, i don't understand innuendo, irony, those kind of things, but nobody has spoken to me about developing strategies to be able to deal with that. i have had to find ways to do that. i have had to find ways to do that myself. ijust want that. i have had to find ways to do that myself. i just want to talk to jonathan about how important early diagnosis is and how difficult it is to get that? 1.9 million brain cells to get that? 1.9 million brain cells to for every minute a stroke goes untreated, that shows how important
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rapid assessment and treatment is by specialists in the field. why is it happening, that these early diagnoses aren't always coming?m is important for specialists to be aware of the presentation of strokes. in contrast to most people who present to their doctor when something bad enough to go there, strokes happen very suddenly and something stops working, people need to be aware of what they are looking for. the nhs put out an advert on the symptoms in order to help people spot strokes early. when a stroke strikes, the damage spreads like a fire in the brain. when you spot any single one of the signs, think and act fast. face, has it fallen on one side? arms, can they raise them? speech, is it slurred? time to call 999. the faster you act, the better their chances. even if you are not
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sure, act fast, make the call, dial 999. juliet, what do you think about that advert? it makes it looks like it is very simple to spot the signs ofa it is very simple to spot the signs of a stroke, but you have identified issues in terms of having specialists available in hospitals to deal with age? we are pleased the government and nhs is recognising that stroke needs to be prioritised, we are pleased to see investment and the act fast campaign, because the more members of the public and paramedics recognising the signs of stroke quickly, the people —— the quicker people get to hospital, the quicker people get to hospital, the quicker the access to treatment and the greater the chances of recovery. we are pleased they are prioritising awareness and access to treatment, but the workforce is just not keeping pace with the great advances in treatment. as the data today reveals, we a re in treatment. as the data today reveals, we are seeing a worrying lack of stroke consultants, a decline with nearly 50% of hospitals
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reported at least one stroke co nsulta nt reported at least one stroke consultant vacancy that is unfilled for about 12 months, but we are seeing shortages in stroke specialist nurses, stroke specialist therapists, clinical psychologist who can deal with the huge emotional and psychological impact of a stroke, so we really want the government and the nhs to address the workforce issues in the same ways they are addressing public awareness about stroke. do you believe people are suffering unnecessary effects and perhaps even having light shortened because of the lack of specialist help? alison micro and carole's stories are hard to hear. we know more people are getting access to those world—class treatments but it is very variable across the country. we know 40% of hospitals do not have the right number of senior specialist stroke nurses, and when people leave hospital, only a third of stroke
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survivors are getting access to the amount of rehabilitation therapy that they ought to be getting, we really need to address this. jonathan, why do you think there is the shortfall in specialist doctors? the problem affects many specialities, the changing workforce issues, we need more and more multi—professional to return to this issue. -- to attend to this issue. glynis and facebook says i took my mother to a&e with a suspected stroke, the doctor told me to rush heather, the receptionist told me to sit on a waiting area, 20 minutes later my doctor phoned and gasped in disbelief that we were not being seen. they did not find the cause even though it had caused faced tube, pain in her head which had her screaming. leslie honeyman says my lovely husband had a stroke at 9:30pm in april 2018, the ambulance came quickly and we arrived at
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hospital at 10:a5pm. we waited an ambulance q hospital at 10:a5pm. we waited an ambulance 0 until after 1am. he walked into hospital bettina needs to be hoisted in a wheelchair.m walked into hospital bettina needs to be hoisted in a wheelchair. it is great that fast within the public domain, i have had two strokes and i did not follow that. —— fast is in the public domain. it is almost like if it does not follow that, it is not a stroke. it is a great indicator but it is not the only thing. jonathan, what else to look for? as carole says, she did not have the face drew all the traditional... it is the sudden loss of something that normally works, we we re of something that normally works, we were fine before, suddenly itjust comes on. so the first tool is very helpful for the majority of types of strokes, but there is a significant minority where it is not as helpful.
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from these comments, even getting into hospital quickly and being told it was likely, that was not enough to get a quick response. we have seen benefits from figures being restructured appropriately, that has improved survival and improve quality of care. thank you all very much. i have a statement from an nhs spokesperson which says it is great news for patients that more people are already surviving and thriving after stroke thanks to improvements in nhs care, with the lives saved set to increase as we implement the long—term plan. it will mean a wide—ranging staff will be required under interim people plan sets out what we can do ahead of long—term funding decisions being made by government later in the year.
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coming up later in the programme... we explore the growing movement of women who believe their route to happiness lies in domestic submission and making sure they alway consider their husbands needs before their own and are sexist chants the latest scourge of the football terraces? one player calls on the fa to investigate after she says she suffered sexist abuse from fans last weekend social media companies should be forced to turn over their data for independent research, so we can better understand the harms and benefits of social media use — that's according to the royal college of psychiatrists. it's urging the government to go further on its proposed levy on big tech companies, which will force them to pay tax on the sales they generate in the uk to pay for research. molly russell was just 1a when she took her own life. after she died, her family found graphic posts about suicide and self—harm on her instagram account. her dad blamed social media, in part, for her death. he's supporting the calls by the royal college of psychiatrists. the proof is that they're not throwing enough money at this, because that content is still there and the era of self—regulation hasn't proved to be effective. so that's why other
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measures are needed. and if there was a levy that was forced upon them so that they had to pay, it would be a tiny amount in terms of their profits. but it only needs to provide for good, proper academic research with anonymised data so that the whole world can better understand the sort of problems that are driving young people into desperate places. we can talk now to dr bernadka dubiska, chair of the child and adolescent faculty at the royal college of psychiatrists and co—author of the report, and sarah lechmere, who says she was on the "verge of death" by the time she sought professional help for her eating disorder. she says it was easy for her to engage with pro—anorexia sites which would give her new ways to self—harm. frankie both for coming in. sarah, thatis frankie both for coming in. sarah, that is really upsetting to hear that is really upsetting to hear that you were finding ways to self—harm online. what were you experiencing? it is very easy if you
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go online to find different ways that you can sell palm. when i was very ill i did use pro—ana websites, they would give you things like tips on how to restrict, how to cope with fasting, they would also encourage you to self—harm. lots of different methods that can give people ideas. i think initially you found social media was a source of support? was it positive initially? social media can still be really supportive, i am still active on instagram and ifind lots of support that, but it was after i started using it that i discovered how toxic it can be and how difficult it is to navigate away from the toxic contents, it can be hidden, especially on instagram where you just have pictures and you can post something innocent like a picture of a flower but the comments
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under that image can be so toxic. use all people telling others to kill themselves? —— you so people? people are turning their biographies and can ask them different things, lots of these are abused, i have seen comments telling people to kill themselves, comments about different people telling people that they are fat, they are horrible, they are worthless, they don't deserve to be alive. have you personally had any of these? not personally, i have seen these comments to other people, iam giving seen these comments to other people, i am giving my best to not open myself up for those comments, but for people in a vulnerable place it is quite addictive to feel like that, it feels how you feel about yourself, so i can sympathise with the people who open themselves up to it, to a certain extent, but equally
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it, to a certain extent, but equally it is very difficult to avoid. it fuels how people feel about themselves, can you explain? one of themselves, can you explain? one of the things with depression, anxiety, for me at least and i think a lot of people i know with similar issues, you kind of feel like you are the worst person in the world, and you wa nt worst person in the world, and you want the people to agree with that, because then that verifies that by being nasty to yourself you are doing the right thing. so you almost wa nt doing the right thing. so you almost want people to tell you these things because it makes you feel like what you are doing is the right thing, and then it spirals, you feeling bad about yourself, other people making you feel bad about yourself, it leads you to doing quite drastic things. it is really upsetting, listening to what sarah had many others have experienced. you think it is time for the companies to hand over data so the harm it is doing
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can be properly assessed? how do you envisage that? what sarah has been talking about is very upsetting that it describes the situation so well, having worked on an inpatient unit for so many years, you see that in small environments between young people on inpatient units, but apply that 100, thousand, million times across the world online and you have ataxic —— toxic environment for people who are struggling. the research that has been done does not really dojustice to research that has been done does not really do justice to the complexity of the situation, as we have heard, there are lots of positive benefits from social media, using screens and technology, but we need to understand the harm is a lot better, particularly towards vulnerable young people like those with mental health problems. we know there is a dearth of research funding, three quarters of mental— health dearth of research funding, three quarters of mental—health disorders stop before the age of 18 and only a quarter of the budget goes towards
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looking at those problems. social media companies have lots of money and we feel they should be taxed proportionately to their turnover, and the money should help to contribute to further research. we need to use anonymized data, but important to point out it needs to be ten with the right to research ethical framework. the way you are talking puts me in mind of cigarette companies and data and how the harms of smoking were not known for a while, then there was the cover—up, would you compare the two?|j while, then there was the cover—up, would you compare the two? i think it isa would you compare the two? i think it is a really good analogy in the sense that we have evidence of emerging hands now, the data we have got is not the best quality, we need to know more about how young people need to interact but the harms are emerging, it is important that we act as quickly as possible and there has not been transparency, i think it is so important. let's look at
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what instagram post, it may be distressing, we have picked as carefully as we can to find something that is not showing something that is not showing something graphic, and graphic images should be banned now on instagram under their rules, but they say is i never thought i'd grow up they say is i never thought i'd grow up wanting to die. it is quite an interesting one in that the comments, that is negative, then there is a comment underneath which isa there is a comment underneath which is a positive one. sarah, you mentioned there can be posts that the quite innocuous, that is not one of them, but the comment underneath other really important things. what you think when you see a post like that? unfortunately it does not surprise me, i have seen lots of posts like that and it is very easy, instagram always says follow this, that all the other account, you click a new account and you go through and you look and you will
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suddenly find all these depressive quotes, that is what the posts are. when you are in a negative place, it is really distressing and can trigger you further. i am not surprised to see that at all, i had seen several posts like that. instagram has clamped down on images that could trigger self—harm, images depicting self—harm, but if something is posted, comments are posted under an innocuous image, how easyis posted under an innocuous image, how easy is it for the social media companies to get to grips with that? it is not an easy area and i do not say it is for one minute, but we need to move from persuasive design, hooking young people into these platforms on more and more negative content, to safety by design principles, media companies to be directing young people to more positive sources of information and support. who is behind these
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comments and why are they putting them out there? what is making them to edge? i couldn't possibly answer that, lots of them are anonymized. just know you gave a warning about the graphic images, why can't those warnings apply to social media? victoria says they must be made to contribute to research, charity, whatever it takes, but as parents we must monitor our children's access to potentially dangerous comments. i have five kids, constantly watch their material and they know to come to me. i do not allow apps without permission. if one child's life is saved by implementing a legal requirement, that is a good thing. the government says it will put in place a new duty of care to make companies take more responsibility for the safety of their users, it will help companies deal with harm caused by information or activity on
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the site. facebook, which owns instagram and whatsapp, says making sure people are safe on our performances are most important work and we are taking a number of the steps implemented in this report already. we remove harmful content and provide support for those searching for it, we work closely with organisations like the samaritans and the government to develop industry guidelines in this area. and our actionline website is bbc.co.uk/actionline — if you need help, there are loads of organisations listed there who you can contact. sarah and bernadka, thank you. in a moment we meet a women who is part of a growing movement that believe the key to a happy marriage is always putting their husbands needs before their own. and the cruelty of the illegal dog smuggling trade — we talk to an owner who had to have her puppy put down just three days after bringing her home. #tradwives is a growing movement of women who promote ultra—traditional gender roles.
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search it on social media and you'll see images of cooked dinners and freshly—ba ked cakes with captions like "a woman's place is in the home," or "trying to be a man is a waste of a woman". alena pettitt describes herself as a traditional wife. she says it's about "submitting to and spoiling her husband like it's 1959. " in a moment, we'll be talking to alena and feminist vicki psarias about whether tradwives are reversing progress on women's rights or whether it's actually an example of feminism, because choice is the most important thing. first though, bbc stories spent time with alena. i wouldn't kind of expect my husband to come home from a long day's work and have to cook for me, because my role is being at home. myjob is essentially housework.
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so, i choose what we eat, where i buy it, how much i spend on things, and so that's a monthly allowance, if you want to give it that kind of phrase. there's always a bit of a buffer in there for me to spend something on myself, so i'm not always asking him for money. when i was at school, i don't think i was particularly a popular girl. the culture at the time was anything but what i enjoyed, and it definitely made me feel like an outsider. it was all kind of "let's fight the boys, and go out and be independent, break glass ceilings," but ijust felt like i was born to be a mother and a wife. what i really related to were the old shows of kind of like the 19505 and 60s, i dream ofjeannie and bewitched. i grew up in a single parent household, and my mum had to go out to work. the home becamejust this huge burden for her, and i suppose at that point in time i probably identified that i didn't want that same life.
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the rebellion really came when i met my husband, and he being very traditional as well, i think he just identified back. he said, "i know that you want a man to look after you, and to make you feel secure," and he offered himself as that person, and as soon as that happened ijust was like, finally, someone sees it, you know, finally, i can be myself. i don't have to hide who i am any more. it's almost like the fairy tale came true. and alena joins us now, along with feminist writer vicki psarias, who runs a parenting blog called honest mum. welcome both of you. so this is the fairy tale for you. it is. absolutely. yes. work incompatible with being a mum and wife.|j absolutely. yes. work incompatible with being a mum and wife. i don't think so, not at, but the dine might be want for my family, the dreams i had never went away. i worked in london forfew years, had never went away. i worked in london for few years, doing the
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commute, and i just london for few years, doing the commute, and ijust was not embracing my desires. i was told i had to break glass ceilings. the teacher asked me what i wanted to be, are you think far in future i saidi be, are you think far in future i said i want to be a wife and mum and i was laughed at by a teacher who was supposed to support us in our dreams, i felt the generation was supposed to support us in our dreams, ifelt the generation i grew up dreams, ifelt the generation i grew up with was you can be anything you wa nt to up with was you can be anything you want to be except for that. so, there are obviously a lot of people who would say this is anti—feminist. yes. would you say it is feminist because you are making a choice? definitely, yeah, definitely. that is what people get confused by. it is what people get confused by. it is funny, the kind of, you know, exa m ples is funny, the kind of, you know, examples you made of women should be in the kitchen. i have never used those phrase, i understand with the movement you know, there is polar opposite, people are staunchlied are wife as it were, might say those things, but you know, it is a spectrum. is it fair to say you do
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everything at home? yes. well... does your husband lift a finger to do anything? yes, to put up shelve, lift heavy things, kind of, that is the thing, i am physically capable of doing them, do i want to do them, no? he is great at cooking but he works such long hours and my talented lie in domesticty and cooking and i love it. i could cook and bake all day. i want to do it. it is an act of service for my husband, and it is a way i demonstrate and show love. husband, and it is a way i demonstrate and show lovem husband, and it is a way i demonstrate and show love. it is servitude? no because i am wanting to do it. it is my choice. so this is not about getting at stay at home mum, feminism is about equality and i champion the choice. lots of women don't have the choice, if that is what you want to do, that is fine. i think this movement can be dangerous. we are still 100 years away from the gender pay gap closing, i think this thing about
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submission, if you look at some the values, it said behave child like to my husband, all of these things, we are not 1950s housewives and we are trying to move to flexible working and greater maternal rights and equality, we are so far from that. if you look at #metoo movement, this feels so, you know it is not progressive, it is taking us backwards. while we are in a period of transition to you think there is a lot of pressure on women to, as alena indicated, have it all? of course, there is huge amounts of pressure. i have written a book about how to juggle those thing, pressure. i have written a book about how tojuggle those thing, i work flexibly, remotely i can work part—time one week, more intensely the next. you are a former actress and written a book, so there is nothing, i think that things have to change, with legislation, i think the workplace has to change to help
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people like us, so we are better supported. i am concerned about who are these men that want women to bow down to them and put slippers in front of the fire for them. none of the men! front of the fire for them. none of the men i know want that. it is... it is funny you raise that, my husband didn't say he wants that, it isa husband didn't say he wants that, it is a conversation... but you butt his slippersous? of course, no he doesn't wear them. it's a light—hearted way to approach it, you know, you get doctrines of what you know, you get doctrines of what you are supposed to do, clearly i don't identify physically... you don't identify physically... you don't tress like one. i am a modern person, i have rights within my marriage, we bounce ideas off each other, my husband runs hiss own bids so he often comes to me, it is not like i have had a lobotomy and did away with my experienced working. what if you found yourself on your own for whatever reason? in terms of what? divorce. divorce? iwould go back to work, i enjoy the lifestyle
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iam leading. back to work, i enjoy the lifestyle i am leading. i get messages from women all over the world who say i wa nt women all over the world who say i want this too, but i feel ashamed. there shouldn't be any shame. it is the hardestjob of there shouldn't be any shame. it is the hardest job of all. there shouldn't be any shame. it is the hardestjob of all. there is no shame, i value that and think that we should be viewed as equally as women who work. some of these views are problematic, they are not progressive, they are putting us, we are struggling massive receive as women. it is not that long ago we died to vote, how is this tear?|j wa nt to died to vote, how is this tear?|j want to ask you about the hierarchy, if there is one, in your household, because you have got a son. yes. he is is, he is lower in the pecking order, is that fair to say, you put your husband first? i wouldn't say he is lower, he is there because of my husband and i, i have witnessed what happens when some women have
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children and they make their life all about the children. the husband is still working and providing for that family, but the romance has gone, between the husband and the wife, and i just, gone, between the husband and the wife, and ijust, ithink it gone, between the husband and the wife, and ijust, i think it is really important to keep, keep that romance alive, and for him to know he is still just romance alive, and for him to know he is stilljust as importance to me as when we were first dating and newly married. that is where i am coming from with regard to that. it is not about my son, he can take the scraps and crumbs from under the table. i love him just as much be my husband is still there he is still a person, he is very valid. that is assuming that women who work...|j person, he is very valid. that is assuming that women who work... i am not assuming that. it is saying you are not going to have time for you husband, i would say my kids become above my husband, but you know, what about the more extreme women though that are saying let us be sub missive, that is what i find highly worrying. i don't agree with that, myself, you know, ithink worrying. i don't agree with that, myself, you know, i think we are in a really great position at the
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moment, you know, i can go out to work if i want to, i can have a career. and i can stay at home if i wa nt career. and i can stay at home if i want to. i think what i am feeling, where i am coming from, is it less represented, not well supported and i have incidents of being shamed for it. people say to me, when is alena going to go back to work? it is, do i have to? it is nobody‘s business, particularly, whether i go back to work or not, but that is what is expected of women. loads of comments coming in. briony: ifi expected of women. loads of comments coming in. briony: if i want cook and clean for my phone say that is my choice. choice. i will do it if he is busy on the farm and i can't help, that is only fair. business, particularly, whether i go back to work or not, but that is what is expected of women. loads of comments coming in. briony: ifi expected of women. loads of comments coming in. briony: if i want cook and clean for my phone say that is my choice. i will do it if he is busy on the farm and i can't help, thatis busy on the farm and i can't help, that is only fair. "ed are wives
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don't think it is going backwards, this will comments coming in. briony: if i want cook and clean for my phone say that is my choice. i will do it if he is busy on the farm andi will do it if he is busy on the farm and i can't help, that is only fair. "ed are wives don't think it is going backwards, this will bring more stable families. "male member of family should support the wife." phone say that is my choice. i will do it if he is busy on the farm and i can't help, that is only fair. "ed are wives don't think it is going backwards, this will bring more sta ble backwards, this will bring more stable families. "male member of family should support the wife." christian, "i am an aircraft engineer, my wife a part—time nurse, we share our roles in the kitchen, i am upforwork we share our roles in the kitchen, i am up for work at aam. aam:" when i get home it is straight into the kitchen and start cooking our evening meal. we both christian, "i am an aircraft engineer, my wife a part—time nurse, we share our roles in the kitchen, i am up for work at aam:" wheni in the kitchen, i am up for work at aam:" when i get home it is straight into the kitchen and start cooking our evening meal. we both share our responsibilities equally. "any woman or man who wants to stay at home should not be criticised" keeping a home isn't hard work, some feminists are bullies. we have so many coming in. aam:" when i get home it is straight into the kitchen and start cooking our evening meal. we both share our responsibilities equally. "any woman or man who wants to stay at home should not be criticised" keeping a home isn't hard work, some feminists are bullies. we have so many coming in. janet "what are these women runway from? either they
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are too scared or they are idle and settle for a dull easy round of housework, without any responsibility. have they no pride. housework is not easy." it is not. it is not all that is involved. women runway from? either they are too scared or they are idle and settle for a dull easy round of housework, without any responsibility. have they no pride. housework is not easy." it is not. it is not all that is involved. mike says "my personal experience the more my wife puts me first the more i put her first. more my wife puts me first the more i put herfirst. if more my wife puts me first the more i put her first. if the more my wife puts me first the more i put herfirst. if the relationship is captain and first officer a complementary team is created. call me old fashioned by a crystal palace women goalkeeper lucy gillett says she was subjected to sexist abuse during sunday's championship game at coventry united. the 25—year—old says men in the crowd called on the referee to "check the gender" of several palace players. the football association says it's looking into it. let's talk to janie frampton, who was an international football referee, and says she had been the target of abuse from men on the terraces for years. tective what is your reaction to what i have been saying there? good morning, you
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know, sadly, when i heard this story, i was a bit flab glastonburied that all of those yea rs glastonburied that all of those years ago when wendy and i started, we we re years ago when wendy and i started, we were the first women who came through the system, some of the abuse we got was horrendous, to hear it is still happening. people pay their money to get in through the turnstiles and they they they the is a what they want to say. they wouldn't say it outside of the football environment, of that i am sure. did you report it when it was happening to you? i think that is a tricky question. when wendy and i came through the. is, we didn't want to be treated differently. we wanted to be treated differently. we wanted to be treated as referees so we have often said we don't think that we reported enough back in those days, but have done since. i do have to say, whenever a club knew about it, they dealt with it. they would have none of it. that was in the professional game as well as the hiring levels of non—league.
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professional game as well as the hiring levels of non-league. so then your advice would be to report it because if it is not there is not the awareness there is a problem of it? absolutely, it must be reported. i know a lot of female referees would think i don't want to bring attention to myself, but you have to. some of the things said to me we re to. some of the things said to me were disgraceful. i cannot understand how people can put some of the words together they chose to. what they wanted to do to me physically, they wanted me to do with my flag, all sorts of really interesting comments! but it is not acceptable, it is not acceptable in society so why should it be a cce pta ble society so why should it be acceptable in football? do you think the fa is capable of tackling this? well, i know the fa have really strong processed in place, i am not a lwa ys strong processed in place, i am not always sure that those processed are carried out. you know, i represent a charity called ref support which is there to support them through abuse and assaults. i know we work closely
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with the fa on it. we hear terrible stories, you know, so, it is not getting better, and i want to know why it is not getting better. if we have processes in place, why is it not, why is it not setting it straight. so what could the fa do to change and fix it? well i am a strong believer i know that the head ofjudicial strong believer i know that the head of judicial services strong believer i know that the head ofjudicial services has great processes in place. when they are filtered down and cascaded down, i am not convinced that every county fa follows due diligence with those process , we fa follows due diligence with those process, we know they don't because of the complaints we have from referee, and then when we take it up with the fa, the fa go back to the cou nty with the fa, the fa go back to the county fas because this is predominantly grass roots football we are talking about. do you think clu bs we are talking about. do you think clubs should be deducted points?” think we need to find some fort of sanction, do we want the end of the season the team who is the best
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behaved to be the winners or the best playing team? point deduction isa best playing team? point deduction is a tricky one but i think we need to find sanction, if that sanction is, that it is point deduction or you know, they find a monastery sanction s it has to happen. clubs, hope club, sevenly, have a responsibility to control their spectator, maybe there is not enough stewards round, maybe they are no reporting it. i don't know the a nswe rs reporting it. i don't know the answers but that is where the process needs to be stronger and more vigilant. janey frampton, thank you for joining us. janey frampton, thank you forjoining us. the fa could not provide anyone for interview but gave this statement:
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detectives are treating an attack on a 20—year—old lesbian in sunderland as a hate crime. a warning that some of the pictures we are about to show of charlie graham's injuries are quite graphic. charlie was punched in the head from behind and then thrown to the ground in the unprovoked attack which happened as she walked to meet a friend. it's not the first time that charlie has been targeted. since the attack she has suffered panic attacks, and has been scared to leave her house. let's talk to charlie graham now. tell us more about what happened to you? i was going to meet a friend on friday night, round about 1.00, and got attacked from behind. it is not the first time it's happened, probably won't be the last. with my luck lately. but yeah, i was punched from behind, thrown to the floor, twice, suffered a cut under my eye,
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and bruises on my legs. it was scary to be honest. didn't really enjoy it. it is not one of them things you enjoy. it must be horrible, obviously, why do you any it is that you keep being targeted? might be because i look like a boy, and there's no way of people knowing i ama there's no way of people knowing i am a girl. shouldn't really matter any way. but, ijust keep on getting targeted, and it's one of them things to be honest. i'vejust took it on the chin. it obviously be having an impact on you, the fact that this keeps happening, does it make you nervous about going out? that this keeps happening, does it make you nervous about going ounm makes us really nervous to go out. i get co nsta nt makes us really nervous to go out. i get constant panic attacks and anxiety attacks about having to go
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out some times, it is scary, and does knock you down, but with having a loving family and everything, it has helped, and i do feel safe where iamat has helped, and i do feel safe where i am at the moment. have you reported all of these attacks to the police. yes, they have all been reported. and they are are logged in at the hospital because i have had to go to hospital a couple of times. has anything come of those reports? nothing so far. what would you say to the people who have attacked you? come forward. it might feel like you have been in the wrong, but i'm not going to be a person that's going to keep it against you. you've done it, it's done. just come forward, it's one of them things you've done it, and... own up to what you've done. and what would you like them to understand about the impact on you,
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and the thought for you, that you are being targeted, because of who you are? it is notjust an impact on me, it is an impact on my family as well. i have younger siblings and it does impact them. being attacked, and, it's not right, so if they want to come forward, then they do that, evenif to come forward, then they do that, even if they do it anonymously and people don't find out they have come forward , people don't find out they have come forward, as long as they have the, they have the humanity left in them to come forward. charlie, thank you forjoining u thank you. thank you. thousands of unsuspecting dog lovers may have been conned or "dogfished" into buying dogs which may not be the healthy, happy puppies they seem. the dogs trust has exclusively told this programme that one in four of those who suspected their puppy may have been illegally imported did not report it and 21% were worried about repercussions for them or their dog.
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with me now is claire calder from the dogs trust, and french bulldog bruce, who was rehomed by the charity after he was smuggled into the uk from bulgaria, and sarah, who bought a puppy online, but had to have her put down, just three days after she took her home. welcome all of you, thank you for coming in. claire, bruce is a beautiful dog. how many dogs like bruce are being smuggled into this country? well, it is incredibly difficult to put a figure on it, because a lot of it is illegal trade that we find very difficult to find figures on. but which do know it is a huge number of dog, so we have been working with the enforcement authorities who seize dogs, we fund their time authorities who seize dogs, we fund theirtime in authorities who seize dogs, we fund their time in quarantine and we rehome them through our centres and we have so far rehomed over 1,000 puppies in that way and that is the tip of iceberg. so it's a huge issue, we have done four undercover investigations on the trade now and time and time again, we see puppies,
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with fraudulent pet passport, travelling when they are younger than the 15 weeks they should be to travel between eu countries, being imported into this country for sale, often to owners that absolutely don't know what their puppy has been through and they have come from abroad. what state was bruce in when he arrived? so bruce came from bulgaria, he was seized at the border, for coming in, with incorrect paperwork, but he's very very lucky, obviously we rehomed him through dogs trust1, he lives with lee living a happy life. have you had anilet issues with bruce? not too many but i have had ongoing issues with his stomach and digestion and allies and things like that. what has the vet said, might that. what has the vet said, might that be linked to his background? that. what has the vet said, might that be linked to his background7m could be background and the breed,
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so could be background and the breed, so there is no definitive way of knowing, but, yeah, he's doing really well. sarah, you had a distressing ex experience with a puppy y°u distressing ex experience with a puppy you found online, you had to haveit puppy you found online, you had to have it put down sadly on boxing day, what happened? so, we found the puppy day, what happened? so, we found the puppy online and we were driving through oxford on christmas eve. went to see her. took her home christmas eve but by christmas day, so christmas eve but by christmas day, so within 24 hours she was so clearly unwell, had no energy, no interest, didn't really seem responsive almost to us when we were talking to her, so we took her to the emergency vet and it was two days, trying to fight parvo virus, which puppies should be vaccinated against and she didn't make it and so against and she didn't make it and so that was really tough. so the fa ct so that was really tough. so the fact that she hadn't been vaccinated. yes. do you think that is because of the way that, she was
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being, she'd been sort of brought, she was being bread to be sold not through —— bred. she was being bread to be sold not through -- bred. where we found her, the house, she was there with her brother, same litter, but then one of the things that was strange was the seller said it wasn't their house, they were staying with a friend for reasons, but that person had a dog, and when we went there there was an older puppy of about 12 weeks i think, ourings was eight. so puppies who haven't been vaccinated shouldn't be introduced to other dogs, in case they catch something. she had, she would have caught it before we picked her up, so it definitely would have been the condition she was in that put her in that state. so, claire, you are calling this dog fishing, borrowing from the phrase catfish, it is not a lwa ys from the phrase catfish, it is not always what it seems. so using the
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term dog fishing in our new campaign we have launched today, which means being misled, into buying a puppy that isn't as it seems, it is incredibly common, we have done a survey of owners and they have said one in puppy owners think they were lied to by the person who sold them that puppy. that is a high proportion. it is so easily done, these dealers are out to make profits, to kind of purposefully dupe to public into getting a puppy that hasn't been bred responsibly. how can the public be aware? there is lots of important things to do. it is really, really important to go and visit the puppy with its mum, in the home that it has been bred in. visit it more than once. ask lots of question of the breeder and expect them to ask you questions too. look for paper work like a puppy contract
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and really importantly, if somebody doesn't seem right, if you are worried walk away and report them. we have lots of people constacking us. janice say both dogs came from a welsh puppy farm, one was five when she came to me. she is nine she wowe rs she came to me. she is nine she wowers when i go to pick her up. she will only eat off the floor. the vet says she will always be like this. deborah says we see smuggled dog ops a regular basis, they can be reported so the system lacks strength. dave says i don't know why anybody buys a dog from a breeder, there are thousands in shelters. claire, if people stop buying them, will they just stop coming? claire, if people stop buying them, will theyjust stop coming? well, i think one of the key things that we are also doing is calling on the government to look at the legislation surrounding this, so it is really important that the public who are looking to buy a puppy know what to do, but we would like to see
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things like increased penalties for those caught illegally importing them. better enforcement and checks done at the border, by people qualified in animal welfare and then there is other things as well. we would like to see an increase at the age at which puppies can enter the country. we would like to have them a requirement to have a rabies blood test and wait period before they come in. that is is a good point. it is worrying that dogs are being smuggled. it is not necessarily rabies, there are other diseases in other countries that aren't here, thatis other countries that aren't here, that is why it is so important to make sure you check the paperwork, know where the puppy is coming from and ask vital questions. thank you all very much for coming. bruce, very well
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hgppy happy to support my husband and children, gave up myjob in a bank. he left me with no job and money. alan so refreshing to see a woman willing to stand up for what she wa nts. willing to stand up for what she wants. why do we have to submit to rules imposed by pressure group, if she is happy, good on her. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. hi there. plenty of rain bow w have a few showers drifting from west to east. some of the showers are on the heavy side. that was the scene in east sussex, just about 40 minutes ago really as the showers cleared away, from the east, but we will see more
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showers moving in as we go through the afternoon. there will be sunny spell, sunny spells in the west and wales. still blustery showers in the far north of scotland, feeling chillier than yesterday, the temperatures round about six to nine or ten degrees. through tonight we will continue with showers across the north. which triover the higher ground. plenty of clear skies for many and a chilly night. one of the chilliest we have had in quite a while. there will be frost to take us while. there will be frost to take us into saturday morning and generally for the weekend, this area of high pressure developing across the uk, that means it will be settled, so dry, light wind, some sunshine across most areas but it will be chilly with overnight frost. bye for now.
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you re watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning. psychiatrists and campaigners call for social media companies to be forced to hand over data to universities, for research into the potential harm of using the technology. we, as a world, notjust the country, would better understand the sort of pressures and problems that are being forced upon young people by social media platforms. iran's supreme leader, ayatollah ali khamenei, defends the country's military over the shooting down of a passenger plane, as he leads friday prayers. we're in glasgow for our series, our planet matters. the city has committed itself to become the first net zero

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