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hello, it's monday, it's 10:00. i'm victoria derbyshire, and we're live from new broadcasting house. american basketball legend, kobe bryant, has died in a helicopter crash. his 13—year—old daughter and seven other people were also killed in the accident. tributes are pouring
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in from around the world. he isa he is a guy who impacted so many lives and so many basketball players around the world. it's a shock to everyone. unbelievably sad and one of the more tragic days. for me, reality isjust kind of setting in. 18 months ago, our report on landlords offering people a roof over their heads for free, in exchange for sex led to new prosecution guidelines. so why has no one been prosecuted? we've got new evidence it's still going on. i got a text of someone saying, are you still looking for somewhere to live? and theyjust kind of said, i was up for living rent free. so i asked, how was it rent—free? they said that they said they wanted some discreet fun on the side. has it happened to you? send me an email. and, harry dunn's mother makes a direct appeal to borisjohnson
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on this programme to demand that ann sacoolas who was driving the car who killed her son, be extradited back to britain. borisjohnson, you boris johnson, you are borisjohnson, you are the one with the power to be able to bring an a nswer the power to be able to bring an answer coolers back to the uk. do the right thing and make our country proud of you and bring her back, please. we'll hear more from charlotte charles at 10:30. hi, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11:00 this morning. loads of you have been getting in touch with us in recent days, and we appreciate it, thank you very very much. use the hashtag victoria live. email victoria@bbc.co.uk. text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate. first, carrie has the news. the american basketball legend, kobe bryant, has died in a helicopter crash in california,
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alongside his teenage daughter and seven other people. the five—time nba champion played for the la lakers throughout his career. the 41—year—old is considered one of the greatest players in the game's history. tributes from celebrities and fellow sports stars have been pouring in. china is stepping up its efforts to contain the outbreak of the new coronavirus, mobilising half a—million medical staff in hubei, the province where it was first identified. it comes as a second new hospital for the treatment of those affected is under construction in the city of wuhan. more than 80 people have now died and more than 400 others are critically ill. the chinese new year holiday has been extended by three days to sunday, in an attempt to contain the virus. the irish prime minister, leo varadkar has questioned the timetable set by borisjohnson to secure a trade deal with the rest of the eu by the end of the year. the uk is due to
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leave the eu at 11:00pm on friday night. in an interview with the bbc, mrvaradkarsaid the eu will have the upper hand in the upcoming brexit trade negotiations. i think the reality of the situation is that the european union is a union of 27 member states. the uk is only one country. and we have a population and a market of a50 million people and the uk, it's about 60. so if these were two teams up against each other playing football, who do you think has the stronger team, so long as we are united? court papers from a case brought against mirror group newspapers allege that one of its titles may have targeted the mobile phone of murdered schoolgirl milly dowler. the sunday people is alleged to have hired private detectives to target the dowler family at the time of her disappearance in 2002. the documents have been seen by the bbc and the website,
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byline investigates. they're part of a case brought by more than 70 claimants including prince harry. survivors of the holocaust have been gathering at the former concentration camp at auschwitz in poland, to mark the 75th anniversary of its liberation. this morning there was a wreath—laying ceremony by survivors at the "execution wall" where thousands — mostly political prisoners — were killed. more than six millionjewish people were systematically murdered during the second world war — over a million of them died at auschwitz. 18—year—old billy eilish is the big winner at this years grammys. the singer and first time nominee, took home awards for best song, best album and best new artist, thanking an audience she said she had grown up watching. scottish violinist nicola benedetti was also among the winners
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— taking the grammy for best classical instrumental solo. that is all the top stories, let's go back for the rest of the programme to victoria. kobe bryant has been described as one of the all—time greats of basketball. yesterday he and his 13—year—old daughter, gianna, were among nine people killed in a helicopter crash in california. kobe bryant was a five—time nba champion, playing for the same club the la lakers throughout his 20—year career. his many achievements include being the nba most valuable player and a two—time olympic champion. he retired in 2016. it's clear from the scale and range of tributes, from president trump to magicjohnson to mariah carey, that he was much more than just a basketball superstar. at the grammy‘s last night, held at the la lakers‘ stadium, alicia keys was hosting.
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we are all feeling crazy sadness right now. because earlier today, los angeles, america and the whole wide world lost a hero. we are literally standing here heartbroken in the house that kobe bryant built. the former us president barack 0bama wrote on twitter... former la lakers president magicjohnson, a five—time nba champion in the 1980s, tweeted...
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and the six—time formula 1 champion, lewis hamilton said... we can speak now to vince macaulay, head coach of the london lions. and also nesta mcgregor, a radio one newsbeat reporter who is a huge nba fan. fabrice muamba, retired professional footballer whose heart stopped for 78 minutes during a match — he's now fully recovered. and adi adepitan — presenter of the bbc‘s travel show and wheelchair basketball player. february is, you met him, what was he like? for me, he was so friendly.
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to meet a guy at the top of the game and this was in 2012. the usa basketball tea m and this was in 2012. the usa basketball team were practising in manchester arena. i was kind of invited by the coach to come and see how they train and everything. you know, i was given this privileged access to see these guys going through a work—out. at the end, everybody shook my hand but he was the only one left and we had a conversation for a few minutes. for me, it speaks volumes about the guy at the tributes he has been getting from all over the world, is nothing but amazing. he was an amazing person and that five minutes stayed with me for ever. how much did you adore him? massively so. i was in paris this weekend for the nba europe game, the annual game held
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in europe. i got the news on the way back at the airport. having seen the current crop of nba pros in the flesh, to then read that one of the legends who had inspired all of these players. everybody was in their kobe bryant jersey. these players. everybody was in their kobe bryantjersey. it took me awhile to accept the news. i thought it was the internet going crazy again. they are always killing people off early. kobe bryant was at a basketball game last week, he has not gone. it was to take. adi, i wonder what tribute you would pay to him? it is devastating news. my struggle to sleep last night. i heard it through whatsapp group through the evening yesterday. i had to check it out on the website.
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it is hard to believe that someone as great as kobe, who has achieved so much and he seemed to have overcome so much and he seemed to have overcome so much on the basketball court, that he would be gone and he is only 41 years old. like magicjohnson said, andl 41 years old. like magicjohnson said, and i am glad magicjohnson, of all people said it, he is the greatest laker of all time. he came into the nba when he was 17 years old. he came straight from high school and within two years he was one of the most dominant players. he showed this insatiable appetite to win. that is the thing that attracts other sports people to him. the fact that yes, he is talented, but there are lots of talented players. he just wanted to win all the time. they won the nba title three times.
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then he went on to win it twice himself without o'neill in the la ke rs himself without o'neill in the lakers team. just a special, special player. let me bring in vince, in terms of the hall of fame in terms of basketball players, where does kobe come? he is one of the all-time greats. the big thing about kobe, his aura, he picked up the pattern from michaeljordan. he was handing it over to lebron james, from michaeljordan. he was handing it over to lebronjames, the king, as we call him right now. yes, one of the greatest of all time. his dedication and hard work was incredible, but the thing about kobe was, whatever he was doing he wanted to be the best at it, so he wanted to be the best at it, so he wanted to put the best into it, otherwise it wasn't worth doing. is it important, the fact that he was a black man, his significance? his
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all—round aura as a sports person it speaks volumes. if you look at the tributes, tributes from lionel messi, the whole of the football world, black or white, you watch basketball, you are in all of him. anybody who watched kobe, they say he is amazing. it speaks volumes when you see the president of america, past and present, speak so much about the sky. 00:13:29,1000 --> 00:13:31,821 it is tragic news, but also his daughter gone at the same time. that is when it hits you differently because you don't expect this to happen on a sunday. it is tough, to be honest. the whole world of sport will be morning kobe for a long time. lionel messi was mentioned, but it transcends sport because this
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kanye west, usain bolt, barack 0bama, donald trump, united two presidents who don't see i touye and he was a global celebrity? kobe bryant, they say once—in—a—lifetime, once ina bryant, they say once—in—a—lifetime, once in a generation. his nickname was the black mamba because he is ruthless, had a deadly instinct, like the african snake, who just wa nt to like the african snake, who just want to win. he wasn't the biggest, the fastest of the strongest but his heart was undefeated. you had to be ten times more gifted and worked harder than him to beat him. it is interesting what people say. 0n the court, kobe was a champion. he wasn't without his controversy and there was sexual assault case which was settled in 2005. i think that is the only time i can remember america being divided on the opinion of
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kobe. many thought that whilst the investigation was still going on, he should not have played. when he came back, he changed his number and reinvented himself and that is when america fell in love with him again. that is when he started the member foundation and he wanted to also help young girls get into sport as well. he was on the way to one of these camps when this happened yesterday. ade, what is his legacy, would you say? his legacy? his legacy is the man who took the mantle on from michaeljordan. the basketball world probably would have been worried after someone as big as michaeljordan, who been worried after someone as big as michael jordan, who literally been worried after someone as big as michaeljordan, who literally open the door of basketball to the world, had gone. they thought you could do this and then kobe came on and he made basketball what it is today. he is the reason why basketball is on
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the lips of so many people who speak so the lips of so many people who speak so many different languages all over the world. he is the reason why many kids will get up every morning and they will train really hard and they wa nt they will train really hard and they want to be a superstar. they will be thinking, what would kobe do?” want to be a superstar. they will be thinking, what would kobe do? i will thank you all very much for your heartfelt tributes this morning. i appreciate it, thank you for coming on the programme. coming up later in the programme: harry dunn's mother appeals on this programme to the prime minister borisjohnson to demand that the us hands over anne sacoolas, who was driving the car that killed him. and we'll talk to the vice—chair of capaign group grenfell united as the second phase of the inquiry into the disaster gets underway. 18 months ago, our reporter rachel stonehouse went undercover to expose landlords offering
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would be tenants a roof over their heads return for sex. her report made a big imapact. the mp wera hobhouse raised the issue in parliament, and the crown prosecution service updated its guidelines to make it clear this can be a criminal offence. but, the cps has told us it's not are that anyone has been prosecuted, and guidelines suggest it's not at all straight—forward to bring a case. but we've got evidence that landlords are still doing it. this morning we can also reveal landlords are resorting to more devious tactics to exploit vulnerable people. here's rachel's latest exclusive report. we all know sex sells, but even we are surprised how far our story travelled. in 20181
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are surprised how far our story travelled. in 2018i went undercover to expose landlords offering free rent in return for sex. as a result of our investigation, the issue was raised in parliament. the practice of offering sex for rent is as unacceptable. the cps updated their guidance to make it clear that anyone exploiting people for sex for rent would be criminal offence. sounds likejob rent would be criminal offence. sounds like job done. but it turns out we still have work to do. better dig out my wig. 0ur out we still have work to do. better dig out my wig. our investigation focused on the classified site craigslist where adverts left little to the imagination. double room for naughty girl in exchange for favours? has anything changed? i have just done favours? has anything changed? i havejust done a favours? has anything changed? i have just done a quick search and i have just done a quick search and i have come across more than 100 ads across the uk. that surprised me because i thought they would be fewer than last time. and they are
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still just as blatant. fewer than last time. and they are stilljust as blatant. lovely house for rent and cheap as i will be wanting paying in kind also. we asked craigslist for an interview, but they ignored us. but we have discovered that dodgy landlords have developed new, devious tactics. they are preying on people placing genuine ads and contacting them directly rather than taking the risk of posting potentially illegal ads themselves. vicky was looking for accommodation in bristol when she received an unexpected offer. at what point was that you started to think something wasn't right?|j what point was that you started to think something wasn't right? i got a text of someone saying, are you still looking for somewhere to live? then they said, was i up for living rent free? i asked, how was it rent free and they said they wanted some discreet fun on the side. so being fairly obvious about exactly what is expected? how did that make you feel when you got that message?m expected? how did that make you feel when you got that message? it may be feel disgusting, really horrible. it
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is not something i have ever heard about and i did know this was a thing. for someone to text me something like that, it made me feel horrible. we asked spare room for statement and they told us that macro. we will be hearing for one of our old landlords. i am looking for mike. but i am heading to see the empty wera hobhouse. she raised the issue in the house of commons after seeing our previous film. despite her effo rts our previous film. despite her efforts to update the cps guidelines
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it is difficult to bring a prosecution and today, there haven't been any. i did a quick search the other day to see how many ads i could find. i will show you this one. room available, one bed, central bath, shared with me, 33—year—old males. females only and thenit 33—year—old males. females only and then it was a friends with benefits arrangements. what is your reaction? anything that is so close to home is shocking. i am anything that is so close to home is shocking. iam not anything that is so close to home is shocking. i am not surprised in the way that bath is a target area because housing is just way that bath is a target area because housing isjust so way that bath is a target area because housing is just so very unaffordable. i show her our interview with vicky. 0bviously that is an even more devious tactic by a landlord, because this is someone looking for a genuine room they want to pay for. so this is obviously where we need to do a lot more work. people need to come forward, they need to feel strong enough and feel they have the law behind them
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to bring this really vile practice out of the shadows. back to mike. when i we nt of the shadows. back to mike. when i went undercover for the last film, he made me a very generous offer. the rent, all the bills, everything paid for. i will even give you an allowa nce paid for. i will even give you an allowance so you feel that you are looked after. when we contacted him last time he said he was an author and was pretending to be a landlord to research a book he was writing about the exploitation of women. since then we have been contacted by someone concerned then we have been contacted by someone concerned he may still be looking for a lodger. kim, not her own name, was tweeting about how expensive accommodation was in bristol when mike contacted her directly. he said, i can offer you this in
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exchange for a sex for rent arrangement. i thought he was joking, so i said, thanks but no thanks. then you came across our documentary a couple of months later. what did you think when you put everything together and realised it was the same person? it made me feel uneasy. a lot of the comments i have seen, along the lines of well, if it is two consenting adults, what is the problem? people don't see what is wrong with the proposition in the first place. also it is underreported. it has happened to so many of my friends and i believe there are thousands more women it has happened to. but because there isn't a mechanism to report it, they move on and forget about it. but we haven't forgotten about mike. we write to him to give him a chance to respond to this latest twitter allegation, but we don't hear a dickie bird. so we look for him at the address where
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he offered me a room. doesn't look like anybody is at home. 0r room. doesn't look like anybody is at home. or if they are, they are not answering. a few days later we receive an e—mail from a solicitor representing mike. he claims he has been the victim of continued mischief by a fraudster who hacked into his e—mail and social media accounts. he denies ever meeting or phoning any woman, but the letter doesn't mention tweeting, which is how kim said she was contacted. we head back to vulture. we havejust knocked on his door where we are now pretty certain he is living, but nobody answered. so we are basically left with no option to try to speak to him on the phone. i will give him a call now, be interesting to see if he answers. hello. it is rachel cliff on the bbc, can you tell what you are offering people free rent for sex? i
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am not, so that is the end of the conversation. we have evidence to the country, mike. we have this evidence via twitter and you say it is a new and it was somebody impersonating you? and you say it is a new and it was somebody impersonating you ?|j and you say it is a new and it was somebody impersonating you? i am saying i believe it is somebody impersonating me, yes.|j saying i believe it is somebody impersonating me, yes. i have never engaged in anybody here in my accommodation for sex. a lot of things aren't adding up. yes, but things aren't adding up. yes, but things rarely add up in life, i don't want to engage in this any more. goodbye. will you meet us? wow! that was interesting. he is absolutely clear that he thinks he has done nothing wrong. i really hope i never have to talk to mike again and i'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual. but we still need the authorities and websites to do more to put a stop to sex for
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rent arrangements. we asked the government if a minister would come on the programme to discuss the lack of prosecutions for sex for rent arrangements. no one was available, the min ofjustice said in a statement, "offering accommodation in return for sex is illegal and those who do so can face up to seven years in prison." now let's talk on the phone to "emily" — that's not her real name because she's asked to remain anonymous. "emily" felt she had no option but to accept a sex for rent arrangement. wera hobhouse is here too, the lib dem mp for bath who you saw in rachel's film and kate bradley, activist for acorn union. because of a family breakdown, you ended up sofa surfing, so how did you end up in a sex for rent arrangement? i got there and he sprang it up to me
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once i was there. i couldn't get out of the home, i couldn't leave london, i had no choice. what did he say, how did he putit? choice. what did he say, how did he put it? we were at his and he said, i had stayed there a couple of days before he mentioned anything. 0n night three or four, he before he mentioned anything. 0n night three orfour, he came before he mentioned anything. 0n night three or four, he came and said, i thought i would expect a little bit of something, just friendship, and adult cuddle. it sounded less intimidating until he got down to what he wanted and what he expected. when you are 18 and not living in your hometown and their family and nojob, you are pretty stuck. absolutely gross. you say, until he got down to what he really wanted, what did he actually say? he said he would expect an adult cuddle once a week. he said he
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would buy me alcohol, drugs, whatever made it easy for me. i went to sleep in my own room , easy for me. i went to sleep in my own room, and then he was only expecting it once a week. i left in the middle of the night one night when he was at work, so he didn't know. how do you reflect on that now, emily when you look back? know. how do you reflect on that now, emily when you look back7m know. how do you reflect on that now, emily when you look back? it is not something i am particularly proud of. i would love to stop it happening to other people. would you ever consider going to the police about him? i did think about it, but it doesn't seem like there is much they can do about it because you are two adults, you agree, you choose to
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stay in that situation. legally, i don't think he has done anything wrong. i am going to bring in our other guests sitting with me in the studio. kate is with me from acorn and wera hobhouse. why has there been no prosecutions and what is your reaction to that? looking at the law is being used that could potentially be used to prosecute it, they are not fit for purpose. they we re they are not fit for purpose. they were designed for this and fundamentally, enforcement, whilst it would be great to have some comeuppance for the situation, a lot of the laws around housing are not as enforced as we would like them to be. many evictions are illegal yet they happen and we are asked to help many times. it is one side of the coin. why isn't it making a difference? the law isn't the
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right law to get to an offence. it is a modern day offence. it is based in the housing crisis and people are desperate and you heard it from emily. you don't know what else to do. and there are sexual predators out there and they are doing all lots of things and taking advantage of things like the housing crisis. it seems like trying to prosecute under the sexual offences act is not the right thing to do. because it puts the victims into a situation where they themselves could be classified as prostitutes and inciting prostitution. for that reason, they would not come forward. that is how i understand it, i am not a legal expert. but it seems we have to start again and create an named offence and whether that is under the sexual offences act, or possibly may be looking at the housing act and see if we can do something. would ebacc that, kate? a brand—new low so it is specific and
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unambiguous that this is illegal. we have a statement from the ministry ofjustice, who say it is clearly illegal. something which deals with the nature of landlords asking for sex for rent, it would be much better. it means you could focus in on this offence and it wouldn't bring the te na nt into offence and it wouldn't bring the tenant into it because we shouldn't be focusing on their decisions. the housing crisis has decimated the supply of affordable housing for a lot of people so it is one where we really need to update the law to reflect the situation that people have found themselves in and the dangers. there is no doubt, the way emily described it, she was exploited, she was in a vulnerable situation. however, in the end, she as an 18—year—old, an adult, agreed to it. but that is exploitation, coercion. we have to see what it is. when i first saw this issue i was so disgusted. i sew it on your show and thought i absolutely want to do something about it, i want to do
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something about it, i want to do something about it, it has to stop and we need to find ways to stop it. people acquiesce to all sorts of horrible situations under pressure when they are desperate. absolutely. after a section 21 infection. we need to solve it at its roots —— section 21 eviction. thank you very much. we are grateful for your honesty, thank you for coming on the programme. thank you. we will continue to follow this issue. before 11... # i could lie, say i like that, like it like that #. it was a huge night for 18—year—old billy eilish at the grammys. we'll bring you all the news from the us music industry's biggest night the family of harry dunn have told this programme exclusively they want the prime minister to demand that the us send the mother responsible for
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harry's death back to britain. harry dunn's mum charlotte is meeting the foreign secretary this afternoon. she says borisjohnson is the only person that has the power in his hands to tell the us government to send anne sacoolas back. harry died aged just 19 after a crash in northamptonshire in august last year, which led to the suspect, ms sacoolas — the wife of a us intelligence officer — returning to america under diplomatic immunity. on friday, the us rejected the uk's extradition request. let's now talk with harry dunn's mum, charlotte charles, and radd seiger — an adviser and spokesperson for the dunn family. welcome, thank you for coming on the programme. good morning. festival, charlotte, i want to hear how you are feeling in response to the news the americans have rejected this extradition request. naturally
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disappointed, obviously. whenever you don't get your own way about anything you feel naturally disappointed, but we took it laying down, if i'm honest. it wasn't anything we didn't expect. we did expect them to say no so it was just onwards and upwards and keep fighting and get plan b together. not so long ago you were shown some footage by itv news of anne sacoolas driving at home back in the us. itv have given us permission to use this footage, to show this to our viewers, and we have asked your permission, as well. when you saw it, you are very, very, very distressed. you can just it, you are very, very, very distressed. you canjust show it, you are very, very, very distressed. you can just show our audience it now, i hope. cani can i have a word with you, please? will you go back to the uk, ms sacoolas? you are incredibly distressed at
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first seeing that. how do you reflect on that now? i still feel the same way. still very hard to watch it. how she can get behind the wheel of her car and not see our boy on that windscreen of hers, ijust can't get my head around that. it is a spine chilling to see the fact that she has got her children in the car, she is clearlyjust going about her every day, as she would have done prior to killing harry. so, yeah, it is still extremely upsetting to watch, but it makes me quite angry, as well, that she is very stern about not wanting to talk to itv. i think it made us say her “ see to itv. i think it made us say her —— see her in quite a different light, that we had given her the benefit of the doubt. you feel now that the person who is the key to this is simply the prime minister. it is just boris johnson.
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this is simply the prime minister. it is just borisjohnson. i this is simply the prime minister. it isjust borisjohnson. i know this is simply the prime minister. it is just borisjohnson. i know you made a direct appeal to him at the beginning of our programme and you wa nt to beginning of our programme and you want to do that again. if boris johnson is watching this morning, what would you say? again, boris johnson, you are the one that has got the power in your hands. you are the one who can put an end to all of this. you are the one that can bring her back to the uk. just do the humane thing and make your country proud of you. make the uk proud of you. show us that you are willing to stand up for us citizens' rights and bring her back. the reason that is crucial this week is because you have a meeting with the foreign secretary this afternoon and us secretary this afternoon and us secretary of state mike pompeo is coming here on wednesday. there is an opportunity and you want boris johnson to say to mike pompeo, you have to send her back. absolutely. they have already said they won't. there is no harm in trying again and boris is the one who has that power. he is the one
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that runs our country. i think he needs to use that power and stand—up and show the us that we are as equal to them and that we are as powerful as them. tell our audience about the fact that the government, the attorney general, is considering, if needs be, a joint prosecution between yourselves and the government of anne sacoolas in her absence. we met with andrea leadsom at the end of this last week. she is your local mp. she is. she had been to london earlier on that day and we had a very positive meeting with her. she is extremely behind us, as either a home office that she had been to that day. that is one of the options that they are willingly able to, or wanting to look at for
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us. that would only happen, obviously, if anne sacoolas is not extradited back to britain. absolutely. if she doesn't come back, one of the options open to the government or the uk authorities is to simply try her in her absence popular if she is afforded the opportunity to come back and participate in her own trial but turnsit participate in her own trial but turns it down, it is very rare but it is something the government can do. ican it is something the government can do. i can think of a couple of cases in recent times where that has happened. it would be joint action? now, purely the crown prosecution service would bring an ordinary trial and thejury service would bring an ordinary trial and the jury would be service would bring an ordinary trial and thejury would be made aware that the defendant has chosen not to show up. right. there are also other options involving a judicial review, for example. yeah, so in many respects now the family and the government are absolutely on the same page. everybody is clearly determined to bring this lady back. let me reassure your view is that despite what everybody is saying we are 100% sure she will come back. but at the moment,
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the government are still fighting these poor pa rents tooth are still fighting these poor parents tooth and nail on this judicial review and that is all about whether she had diplomatic immunity at the time of the crash. both the uk and us governments say she did. 0n legal advice, the best available, the parents are saying she didn't. that is important because mike pompeo, the secretary of state who made this decision in washington, used that diplomatic immunity to say, no, we are not sending her back. that is more important than the extradition treaty. we are in london today to see dominic raab to explore that issue because before it mike pompeo comes on wednesday we want dominic raab to be on our page and to say to the world, no, she never had immunity, and secretary pompeo, you are wrong. i don't want any high—fiving on wednesday between the men. i want the british government and boris johnson to men. i want the british government and borisjohnson to say, no, it is not ok for you guys to come to our country, to kill our citizens and then to get on the next plane back
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home. we are not going to have that. if those options don't work, then what? we will wait. we will wait until the trump administration are no longer in power. it's only an maximum of another four and a half years. we are not going anywhere. the extradition won't go anywhere. we will keep fighting. we are not going anywhere. you know, this has become so much larger now than harry. he is our number one, he is our focus, he is what is driving this whole campaign on, but the amount of support that we have got from the uk and the us and various other parts of the world is immense. you know, this is about protecting any of the uk citizens from it happening to them, so the whole thing needs to be reviewed. the whole thing needs looking at and we will not rest and we will not stop until we know it has. will not rest and we will not stop untilwe know it has. it is will not rest and we will not stop until we know it has. it is clear, you are utterly determined. absolutely. nothing will stop
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me. nothing will stop us as a family and we draw strength off each other all the time and that is very much part of that when i say family. you know, we... we are in this together and we draw strength from each other continuously. 0ne draw strength from each other continuously. one of us on our own couldn't do it, but as a family we can and we will. have you considered a campaign surrounding us bases in this country, if all else fails? look, it is absolutely clear that their presence at the moment is a cause for concern for many of us who live around them. i will not let my children drive anywhere near the bases at the moment and, listen, we know that they keep us safe from harm overseas and we are incredibly grateful to them, but if they are taking our lives at home and then walking away from it afterwards, thatis walking away from it afterwards, that is not sustainable and that is just not going to happen. nobody would allow that. that is something
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else we will be discussing with the government. nobody wants these bases to go, but they have to abide by our laws, our rules, and the vienna convention which governs all this makes that perfectly clear. this was a decision, a gargantuan mistake by president trump back in august, after harry's death, and everybody else is now having to clear up his mess. let's be clear. this is morally and legally indefensible and we will reverse it. why do you think, charlotte, anne sacoolas hasn't come back voluntarily, made a decision for herself? bad advice, probably. either that or she isjust clearly made of very, very different stuff to myself and to many, many other thousands of people that we have had contact from. you know, i will never be able to understand until maybe one day she might sit down with us and explain her
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reasons for it, but i'll never be able to understand why or how even managing continue to live her life. she is continuing to show her children that you can't commit a crime such as this and walk away and pretend it never happened. you know, we haven't raised our children like that. i don't understand why a mother and a father would want to raise their children like that. that in itself for me would be enough to go back, you know, can't the back and show my children that i am strong enough to ta ke children that i am strong enough to take the consequences, i am strong enough to fight her way through. she should be able to show them that, you know, i've done this, but i'm willing to face the justice system. i will get through it and i will come home to you. but she's not doing that. i don't understand it, i just don't understand it. how is harry's twin?
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no better than he has been. we have had a pretty rough time. he is having a particularly rough time. he hasn't accepted it at all. he is still in denial? he is still in denial. he knows harry is gone but he doesn't see the point in going forward with anything because... his brother is dead. it's all he's ever known. so, yeah, struggling is an understatement. yeah. i'm very grateful to both of you. thank you again for coming and our programme. thanks for having us. we wish you all the best and we will continue to follow all the developments in this case. thank you. thank you. the grenfell tower inquiry — which is looking at the circumstances in which 72 people were killed in one of the uk's worst
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modern—day disasters — is to go into its second phase today. this stage of the inquiry will be focused on understanding how grenfell tower came to be in a condition that allowed the tragedy to occur. it's emerged in the last few days that one of the people appointed to look into the issues was connected to a company that supplied the cladding which was on grenfell tower — benita mehra — has now resigned from the panel. i've been talking to karim mussilhy, who lost his uncle in the grenfell fire and is vice chairman of grenfell united — he told me more about the panel member's resignation. just before christmas we were told by the sponsor on the public enquiry that the original palo domecq a panel member domecq remember they had appointed, that we were happy with because of his community expertise, we were happy with him and we were told just before christmas he could no longer do it for personal reasons and this new lady was appointed and the
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way it was done reminded us when theresa may told us about having panel members. it was just before christmas so didn't give us enough time to appeal the decision. that's raised a lot of red flags. we took it upon ourselves to find out who this person was who theyjust slipped in without telling us properly. it wasn't hard to find her link with arconic. she was president of the company that appeal for a granta of the company that appeal for a grant a few months before grenfell from the arconic foundation and received it a few months after grenfell. she was the president of the society between 2015 and 2018. she still is a trustee. and there's nothing wrong with what they do. this is nothing personal against her. it's just obviously her receiving charitable money from arconic — the firm, as we know, that made the cladding that caused the spread of the fire — itjust itjust didn't seem right to have her on the panel. you know, it was a clear
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conflict of interest for us. but yet, to this day, the government still stand by their statement saying that there was no conflicts of interest. yes, the cabinet office say that. they also say it won't be possible to replace her before the inquiry starts today. and she said in a statement it was a regrettable oversight. i want to ask you, does this undermine your trust in phase two of the inquiry at all? absolutely. i mean, i've said this before. we've. .. we weren't already confident in the inquiry, but a strong report came out in phase one. and we felt that, 0k, there may be potentially some light at the end of this tunnel. we might now get to have an opportunity to hold some people to account and make some changes so this never happens again. and then this appointmentjust takes us almost ten steps backwards. you know — not only removes the confidence, or the small confidence that we had after the report, but it
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then just makes us feel like they are so distant, they just don't care. or do they think that we won't know when they make these type of decisions? and it's just frustrating to have to go through this process over and over again with the government and the public inquiry, because we spoke to you after phase one and you did welcome those conclusions, which included and the report from phase one saying, ok, the arconic panels were the main cause of the fire's spread. that's right. and that's why we were keen to get phase two started, because we were going to start to hearfrom arconic, the cladding firm and celotex, the insulation firm and the team, all of the the council. so now we feel... i mean, we know a lot is going to be uncovered in the next 18 months. you've seen some of the evidence. i've seen some. obviously you can't reveal it. unfortunately not. give our audience some kind of inkling about the kind of stuff that you were expecting to come out. yeah. 0k. so there is going to be a lot coming out, a lot of these organizations that were involved...
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i need to be careful without letting off too much here. i mean, people knew the dangers of these materials. people were being warned by the residents or being spoken to by the residents about concerns not only with the materials, but how they were being fitted to the building — and they were ignored and in some cases threatened. so it's going to be a very sort of difficult 18 months for us hearing all of this stuff. but we want it to be uncovered. we want accountability. and up until now, all these organizations, they've just been blaming each other. nobody‘s accepted any responsibility anywhere or even tried to say, look, it's clear that our industry needs to learn from what had happened and try to make some changes so that we as an industry can make sure that we're doing our part. but nobody is doing it — everybody‘s blaming each other. and that's important because we need this to be uncovered and we need accountability. and i believe through what's coming
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out over the next 18 months, there isn't going to be any way to hide. i mean, look at what sir martin moore—bick said in phase one. he was asked by arconic to not talk about building regulations and their materials being non—compliant. but the evidence was so overwhelming in phase one, that he had to deem that the building was non—compliant. so what's going to come out in phase two? they're not going to be able to hide. and finally, for someone like yourself who lost a loved relative in the fire, the process of the inquiry on a human level — what is it like? um, it's... it's pretty brutal. it's having to relive the moments of that night and having to hear from these corporate bodies, you know, not accepting any liability. it almost feels as if it's cold and we're having to wait there and go through our statements.
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and then obviously, the banita thing. it's just... it's brutal. it's just the whole. .. like, the whole experience is just brutal. but we're determined because we know what's about to be uncovered, and we know that there isn't any wiggle room, there isn't any hiding from any of these companies. and ultimately, through this process, we know that potentially we can bring about change and some will be held to account. the vice chair of grenfell united. thank you for your comments about our report early. they have been no prosecution when it comes to those who affect sex... sorry, those who offer a roof over people's has in exchange for sex. kevin says, i live in my own and have been approached by females looking for accommodation rent—free. the situation is not
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unique to my area. is it ok for the role is to be reversed or classed as an offence? i declined but it seems an offence? i declined but it seems an individual has a choice to say no, and if they say yes then there is an echo they are consenting adults can't claim to be badly done by when they knew full well of the consequences. at the end of the day they have been no prosecutions and therefore of no crime has been committed. selena tweets, absolutely unacceptable and disgusting. how is this any different from a man being manipulative and narcissistic in an abusive relationship? the law is not on our side abusive relationship? the law is not on ourside in abusive relationship? the law is not on our side in any circumstances. they seem to be getting away with it. and a couple more. corin says, i fully sympathise with the women being preyed upon in your sex for rent discussion, but could i ask you stop referring to the perpetrators as landlords? they are not representative of the vast majority of genuine landlords who provide a proper service to the community and don't deserve to be tarred with this brush. puppy tweets, how about
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anyone convicted of doing this forfeiting their property so they can't continue to do it? thank you for those, keep coming in. meghan's dad — thomas markle — has said the decision by harry and meghan to step back from royal duties will hurt the queen. he been speaking to itv‘s good morning britain. let's have a look. what they've decided to do is, to me, embarrassing. uh... i think when they got married, they married into royalty, and they knew what they were getting themselves into. that has been harry's life. meghan has had a similar kind of life and i think they hurt the queen. i think they've hurt the royals. he warned he's going to do another interview within weeks if he doesn't hearfrom meghan and harry. and this is how the interview ended. and finally, thomas, what is your message to prince harry, if he's
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watching this interview? man up, and fly down and see me. thomas markle talking to gmb. it was grammy night in la last night. 18—year—old billie eilish won big — she went home with five awards. the star triumphed in all of the grammys "big four" categories — song of the year, record of the year, album of the year, and best new artist. she also won best pop vocal album. she is the youngest person ever to win the award for album of year — previoiously it was taylor swift. here she is picking up the best new artist award. and the grammy goes to... billie eilish! cheering music: bad guy by billie eilish. joining me now to discuss last
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night's awards ceremony is our reporter anna collinson. let's talk about big night. normally it isa let's talk about big night. normally it is a massive night of celebration but it was pretty sombre because of the death of kobe bryant. yes, and the death of kobe bryant. yes, and the location seems particularly poignant and significant. the sta ples poignant and significant. the staples centre, the home of kobe brya nt‘s staples centre, the home of kobe bryant's entire 20 year career with the la la kers bryant's entire 20 year career with the la lakers and it was only announced i was before the event that he had died and before the event thousands had gathered outside. inside, the singer lizzo set off the shelf saying, this is for you, kobe. alicia keys acknowledge the sombre mood. she said, we are feeling crazy sadness right now because earlier today la, america and the whole world lost a hero. we are literally standing here heartbroken in the house that kobe brya nt heartbroken in the house that kobe bryant built. late in the show, run dmc held up one of kobe bryant's numbers, 24 vest commit many tributes paid to him. including a tributes paid to him. including a tribute from billie eilish,
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who was an incredible massive winner of the whole night. and she's 18, an incredible massive winner of the whole night. and she's18, let's just remember that. 18 years old. let's bow down and admire this woman. what have you done today? that's the question! she won five awards, for mecca of the big ones. she was overwhelmed by all the admiration. before she won the awards she was on the red carpet and said she felt like she was an impostor, like they had accidentally let ina impostor, like they had accidentally let in a fan. when she accepted album of the year, she said this belonged to ariana grande. ariana grande said, no, no, it is yours. also, her brother, he won producer of the year and he said, we wrote an album about depression, suicidal thoughts and climate change. we stand up here confused and grateful. this is one of the most action packed award shows and one of the longest. run through the other highlights. one of the big highlights. one of the big
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highlights was ariana grande. i'm a fan of her anyway but the ball gown she wore last night was insane, including matching gloves. it is reportedly 20 feet in diameter and fa ns were reportedly 20 feet in diameter and fans were saying before the show had even started that she had won the night already, it was all about her. this is what we will remember her far, despite her performing her hits. in 2018 demi lovato was rushed to hospital with a suspected overdose. this was her best performances that happened and it was obviously very overwhelming for her. she had to restart the song, ask the pianist to start again because it all got too much for her. the song is called anyone and she said it was a cry for help after what she'd been through. it was raw and powerful. anything else? i mean, there was loads going on! fine, if you are done. yeah. anything else, first korean artist to
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perform at the grammys, bts. lizzo won awards, she is a legend. i mean, i could carry on. we come to the end of the programme. thank you very much. thank you for your very many m essa g es thank you for your very many messages about kobe bryant charlotte tweets, nine loved precious people killed in a tragic accident. let this be a reminder of the fragility of life that fight a tweet, a great man indeed, his passion for the game was remarkable. he will always be a legend. heather tweets, was remarkable. he will always be a legend. heathertweets, my height was remarkable. he will always be a legend. heather tweets, my height is definitely heavy for the family. just as a savant for the coach and his wife and daughter's family, the pilot and the families of the others on board. sean says, kobe bryant is the main reason i started watching basketball in 1996. i can't believe he's gone. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. you can watch the full report into sex for rent on inside out west tonight on bbc one at 7.30pm or, if you don't live in the west country, afterwards on
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the iplayer. do not miss it. thank you for your company today. back tomorrow at 10am. hello there. plenty of sunshine out there across the uk at the moment but there are some showers in the forecast and we've had some showers rattling their way through across parts of england and wales, giving us some parts of england and wales, giving us some lovely rainbows from our weather watchers here in shropshire. the showers have been wintry in nature across scotland. some snow settling over the higher ground and we will continue with showers feeding in across scotland, northern ireland. quite heavy, perhaps thundery. this afternoon, showers drift eastwards across central and areas of england in particular and maximum temperatures today will get to about five to 8 degrees, maybe ten in the south—east. through the night, my showers move through england and wales and a more significant band of snow move through central and southern areas of scotla nd through central and southern areas of scotland which could give some settling snow even down to
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relatively low levels. the risk of ice across northern areas tonight. further south, not such a problem. as we go through tuesday, my showers in the forecast. 0nce as we go through tuesday, my showers in the forecast. once again, they could be wintry in places, particularly of a higher ground. goodbye for now. you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: basketball legend kobe bryant has died in a helicopter crash alongside his teenage daughter and seven others. there are tributes from the world of sport, politics and showbusiness as millions of fans mourn the loss of one of the sport's greatest ever
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players. china mobilises half a million medical staff to deal with the coronavirus outbreak — here the government says it is working on a plan to rescue trapped britons. ceremonies are taking place at auschwitz, to mark the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the nazi concentration camp. and american singer billie eilish wins all four major categories at the grammy awards — including best new artist and song of the year. good morning, welcome to bbc newsroom live. the basketball superstar kobe bryant has died in a helicopter crash in southern california. he was 41. all nine people listed on board, including bryant and his 13—year—old daughter gianna, were killed.

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