tv Monday in Parliament BBC News January 28, 2020 2:30am-3:01am GMT
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time now for monday in parliament. hello again and welcome to monday in parliament. huawei or the highway? ministers are told not to let the chinese tech firm into britain 5g network. the idea that we should be allowing the fox into the hen house when really we should be guarding the wire is really one of those moments where i hope the minister will see his responsibility very clearly. amid the warnings that the spread of a deadly new virus is accelerating, the health secretary steps up precautions. i have therefore directed public health in england to take a belt and braces approach including tracing people who have been there in the past 14 days.
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also in this programme are benefit changes driving people into poverty? the need for food banks is a national scandal. there are more food banks and britain than mcdonald's restaurants. all of that to come and more but first... a wave of concern in both houses of parliament that the chinese tech company huawei being granted a role in building the uk's future 5g mobile communications network. ministers are expected to decide on tuesday whether to ban huawei from the network. the us is lobbying the uk to exclude it on the grounds of national security. huawei insists it would never take orders from the chinese government. the prime minister is chairing a meeting at the national security council at which the decision would be made. the secretary told the lords that the uk would never take
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the decision to threaten our national security. the security and resilience of the uk telecoms network is of paramount importance. the uk has one of the most dynamic digital economies and we welcome open trade and inward investment. but our economy can only prosper when we and international partners are assured our national infrastructure remain safe and secure. lady morgan was repeating an answer to an urgent question that had been asked in the commons, where mps were sceptical to say the least, about the prospect of huawei being involved in the 5g network. tomorrow, a decision will be made that will not have any further say on because any decision that is made will nest a dragon into our critical national infrastructure. or not. and that decision will not be one that is reversible by a future government with any ease at all. this will be a decision that we live with for the next ten, 15 or 20 years which is why that question is so urgent. he is standing for reelection as the chair of foreign affairs
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committee acknowledged that britain must work and co—operate with china. when we see china make aggressive moves towards various bodies that control the regulation of information, when we see the way these subsidies are used in order to take control of important networks, i hope the minister will see the concern that the whole house feels towards huawei and the idea that we should be nesting that dragon or allowing the fox into the hen house when really we should be guarding the wire is one of those moments where i hope them out to make minister will see his responsibility very clearly. thank you mr speaker and i agree with some of what my honourable friend says. he is right that this is a serious and important decision to take. it is a decision that will not be taken lightly by any means. i know he does not think that i take this matter lightly
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nor does my colleague, the secretary of state. he is of course also right to say that it is right for parliament to have its say. the government wants most of the uk to have 5g coverage within seven years labour wondered how the decision would affect that ambition. part of the reason why the delay would be so long is because huawei has already embedded in our ag network so where is the alternative home—grown suppliers? what is the government doing to build the sector and does the minister accept the chronic lack of investment and leadership from the government has brought us to this situation? and finally what is he doing to ensure that we are never again dependent on foreign powers to secure our critical national infrastructure and security? is it really the case that this is the only firm capable of providing this technology and does this heavy reliance on one company not give them cause for concern in the event of future escalation of political escalation or tensions between
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the united kingdom and china? thank you mr speaker, of course he will know that i cannot preempt any decision that could be taken tomorrow, i won't but thank you for the invitation. given the fact that we are at war in the sense, there is a cyber war going on in which china is arguably the single biggest participant may be russia as well we should think about getting a company which is heavily subsidized by china, a country that is set out to steal data nonstop and also technology that we think of giving to them that right to be in what is essentially a very delicate area of our technology, the idea that we would do that seems to be utterly bizarre. i was led to believe
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that the government would not make that decision and i hope they will know rejected —— now reject huawei immediately. i cannot preempt the decision as he knows but i think it is important to say our agencies have managed the relationship that he talks over a number of years. they will continue to do so. can he assure me that this decision on the digital tax and all the other important decisions will be made in what is our national interests and not based on threats and bullying from the white house? i can assure him that we will always make decisions and what is the national interest. it must be interdependence and not isolation in order to reduce the risk of future conflicts. will he confirm that a proper security risk assessment has been made and will continue to be made about huawei's role in our adoption of 5g and unless the americans can make a legitimate security case, we should quietly ignore their current public position that
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thinly disguised as a protectionist trade position built on supposition and proceed on the evidence as well as gently giving our american friends that we are not leaving one economic relationship on friday to immediately enter another. thank you mr speaker, he invites me to stray perhaps further than my brief into geopolitics that he is right to say of course that we make this decision with an eye on what our allies have advised us as well as what our agency suggests and of course on the global situation. a minister left in no doubt how the mps will greet any decision to involve huawei. china's president xijinping has warned that the spread of the coronavirus has accelerated. and the country is facing a grave situation. the coronavirus killed at least 56 people and infected almost
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2000 since its discovery in the city of wuhan. here, the health secretary unveiled a new approach although he said so far there still has not been any cases in the uk. however this is a new disease and the global scientific community is still learning about it and i therefore directed public health england to take a belt and braces approach including tracing people who have been in wuhan in the past 1a days. coronaviruses do not usually spread if people do not have symptoms. however, we cannot be 100% certain. pre—symptom transmission, we are therefore asking anyone in the uk who has returned from wuhan in the last 1a days to self isolate, stay indoors and avoid contact with other people and to contact nhs111. if you are in northern ireland
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you should phone your gp. if you develop respiratory symptoms within 1a days of travel from the area and are now in the uk, call your gp or ring 111 informing them of their symptoms and did not leave home until you have been given advice by a clinician. matt hancock was speaking ahead of a debate for the government plan to lock in future spending on the nhs in england for the next four years. this bill injects the longest and largest cash settlement granted to the nhs and will and enshrine into law £33.9 billion extra a year by 202a and i give way to my right honourable friend. does not this excellent bill ensure that never again will people be misled to think that we are selling on the national health service to donald trump? and does he not also agree that the money guaranteed in this funding bill will ensure that places will have a new hospital as been guaranteed by my
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right honourable friend. yes, i am delighted to be able to assure my right honourable friend on both counts that he is absolutely spot on, firstly this bill makes clear that we will be funding the nhs with the long term plan, long—term commitment as a minimum. and i think the election result but paid for the scaremongering that was brought about by those opposite when it comes to the relation of nhs trade deals because it is not on the table. the shadow health secretary said the pledges being outlined weren't good enough. i am afraid it fails the test that the prime minister set out at the despatch box because the levels
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the secretary of state is spreading and to lot tonight will not drive down waiting rest or drive up a&e performance as to the levels constituents deserve because levels of expenditure that the secretary of state is presenting is not even in the worst example of the nhs provider is sufficient to enable the nhs to deliver the aspirations of the long—term plan. that is not what the bma say or the health foundation say or what the iff say. despite the pithy exchanges labour said they wouldn't oppose the bill at this stage. matt hancock's predecessor said he knew all too well being health secretary could be a toughjob. it is the challenge of hisjob and the job that i had before that you have to stand at the despatch box and constantly say the nhs has enough money when in reality it very rarely does and one of the most difficult challenges for health secretaries of all parties is meeting people who are denied medicine that is not available on the nhs. jeremy hunt.
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you're watching monday in parliament with me, david cornock. don't forget that if life gets in the way and your miss our daily round up from westminster, you can catch up via the bbc iplayer. the home office minister kit malthouse has described facial recognition technology as the modern version of "wa nted posters" or "spotters" at football matches. he was trying to reassure mps about last week's decision by the metropolitan police to use facial recognition to help locate suspects wanted for serious crimes. but several mps warned that the technology raised human rights issues and had a poor record at identifying women and people from ethnic minorities. live facial recognition compares the images of people passing a camera to a specific and predetermined list sought by police. it is up to officers to decide to stop and speak to those deemed a match.
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this replicates traditional police methods such as spotters at a football match. the technology can make the search for suspects quicker and more effective but it must be used strictly within the law. the high court has found that there is a appropriate use for live facial recognition. if a person's doesn't match any on the watchlist, the record is deleted immediately. all matches against the watchlist are deleted within 31 days including the raw footage and they do not share the data with third parties. the minister was called to the commons to answer an urgent question from a lib dem mp who flagged up a report on the met‘s pilot scheme. lastjuly an independent review of the met's facial recognition trials were published and its conclusions were damning. can the minister agrees with the report that is it likely to be in conflict with human law? according to analysis
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of the met's test data, 93% of supposed matches in the past has been wrong. as well as being inaccurate, facial recognition technology has been shown to be less accurate in identifying women and ethnic minorities than it has been for identifying white men. the minister reassured her that the technology was being closely monitored. the met will be operating on a very transparent basis and as i understand it publishing information about what data was gathered, its success rate and other information. i have confidence that where they have employed it to identify criminals, it has had the desired effect. if i am wanted for questioning, what difference does it make to my rights if i'm fingered by a police officer or a bit of software? in his usual pithy manner, the right honourable gentleman puts his finger on the button. as you will know, sir, the police have since their establishment used facial recognition.
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there is an analogue version which is called a wanted poster and we have all seen those wanted posters which effectively crowd sources the identification of wanted criminals. the only question is whether a human being does it like a spotter at a football match or a machine does it. now, we acknowledge that if a machine is doing it, it requires more circumspection democratic control and does what we will be providing... facial recognition technology is potentially an important crime—fighting tool. but not without the correct safeguards. and the minister has failed to persuade the house thus far that all the correct safeguards are in place. does the minister accept that the random use of facial recognition technology requires not just a high courtjudgement by a specific legal framework? huge concerns about the impact of afr technology on privacy and freedom such as freedom
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of assembly and the danger of bias and discrimination because as the honourable member from richmond park said, there is evidence that afrt can disproportionally misidentify women and bme people and that means they are more likely to be wrongly stopped and questioned. these concerns are widely held including by the independent biometrics and forensic ethics group for facial recognition which is advising the home office. like artificial intelligence and unlike the spotter and a football crowd that the minister cites, facial recognition technology automates the prejudices of those who designed it and the limitations of the data on which it is trained. if it is not diverse by design, it will be unequalled by outcome. so, what minimum standards is he placing on this technology before it is rolled out? one of the key things that the met
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will be doing though however is after deployment, they will be deploying... madame deputy speaker, i am trying to answer the honourable lady's question and she's still barracking me from a seated position. i would like to if possible explain. i understand this is a sensitive issue but nevertheless we are dealing with very serious crime when this may help the police in apprehending those people. and frankly if the police were seeking to apprehend the killer of my child, i want them to consider using this technology. the home office minister kit malthouse. now, what's driving the increase in foodbank use? according to the trussell trust, a record 1.6 million food parcels were given out in the last financial year. is universal credit behind the rise? work and pensions ministers found themselves under pressure at question time with mps warning that the introduction of the new payment which merges several in work benefits has increased hardship and left more and more people using foodbanks.
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universal credit and transition to universal credit is causing real hardship in nottingham with more than 26,000 people using food banks for emergency supplies in the last year alone. will the minister accompany me to my constituency to see for himself the destitution and desperation caused by his department's policies? i think you mr speaker. i visit constituencies all around the country i was just in scotland and if i do get the opportunity, you were certainly notified that i was coming. i would very much if i get the opportunity like to visit your constituency. i think it is important to state that universal credit will give claimants an additional 2.1 billion a year when fully rolled out. it's generous... and i would love to work with the honourable lady at herjob centre to help. in 2013 i set up a food bank with various community leaders as a result of poverty and deprivation and at the time
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to the impending prospect of universal credit, does the government sea foodbanks as a long—lasting feature for the british population when they happen to be dependent on universal credit? i do want anyone to feel they have no choice but to visit a foodbank. what's important for me is to understand what are the drivers of foodbank use? independent food bank providers and i do meet with the trussell trust and they tell me regularly some of the issues and we are looking at addressing this. we also put a question on the family resource survey which launched in april but understanding food insecurity is key to understanding... understanding those root causes. i would write to pay tribute to them and their volunteers but the need for food banks is a national scandal. there are foodbanks in britain than there are mcdonald's restaurants, a company i know that recently paid off their fired
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british boss roughly £30 million. so, does the minister accept that it is a gross injustice that nurses are forced to foodbanks while fat cat bosses receive obscene pay—outs? the honourable lady is right to praise the people who support vulnerable people in their area. i visited a similar one in my own constituency where working together with food redistribution we actually got a perfect way to try and marry the challenges that people do face at difficult times in their life. in terms of having to take that forward, the honourable lady will be aware of the work that we have been trying to do with the trust but i am pleased to say that we will be having a roundtable of independent food banks to understand how we can help them and their customers move forward as well. therese coffey. but what about that claim from herjunior minister will quince that he had as protocol dictates
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told local mps he would be visiting their constituencies during his trip to scotland? the honourable member from colchester was in several of our constituencies last week and did not give us the courtesy of informing any of us. and may we suggest to the minister that rather than gabbing about eating deep—fried mars bars and patronising us, he might want to meet the glasgow disability alliance whose hustings i attended during the election campaign. and their fury at tory incompetence on the benefits system is well known and is the reason he should meet with them rather than disrespecting all of us. after a brief reminder of the rules from the speaker, the minister admitted he'd been wrong. i have now checked with departmental officials and i apologise unreservedly that such notification wasn't given. i think the honourable members know me well enough to know that such notification would have been given. in fact, you would've been very welcome to join me on those visits. i would say mr speaker,
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they were very interesting and very informative and when i return, i will certainly give a notification and be inviting you along. will quince looking forward to his next visit to scotland. children's wards working flat out and children with mental health problems being sent hundreds of miles for treatment, a system at "breaking point". these were among the list of charges laid out by opposition peers amid protests about the number of emergency beds for children. i am just going to ask him how many more times to the professional organisations and paediatric specialists, the a&e doctors have to say that the system is at breaking point before the government takes immediate action? i would like to thank the noble baroness for her question and also for the very detailed article that she wrote to politics home detailing the thinking behind her question. there are serious questions made by the faculty of intensive care medicine and by the president of the paediatric care society and i say in response that the data
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presented by the nhs is prepared by front line clinicians, it is collated by ccgs and the adulteration or misrepresentation of those figures is an offence both to the values of the nhs and in law. we take the figures very seriously indeed. for many years not there has been a serious shortage of paediatric nurses who have the specialist skills needed to work in nicu units. however many of these units you have around the country, it will not be very effective if they are not with skilled staff to actually mend them. “ man —— man them. could he say what the government is doing to fill these places where there are shortages? the minister said the government would deliver an extra 50,000 nurses and more funding for mental health services. the government is bringing in a new law to combat the illegal use of drones.
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the bill comes after a major incident in december 2018 at gatwick airport. the runway at the uk's second—busiest airport was closed for 33 hours causing about 1,000 flights to be cancelled or delayed. the legislation is currently being debated in the lords. unmanned aircraft technology is expected to bring significant benefits to the uk's economy in the coming years. however, the careless and considerate and malicious use of drones and other unmanned aircraft pose a safety risk to others. the number of incidents of manned aircraft encountering unmanned aircraft increased from just six in 201a to 126 in 2018. labour said the government had been slow to update the law. much of the substance of this legislation derives from consultation and whilst this is welcome, it is notable that it appears that it all took place prior
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to the 2018 gatwick event. the incident highlighted the problem at hand and it is important that the government listen to those who responded and particularly why the issue took so long to resolve. a conservative peer felt something should be done about the practice of "swarming". flying two, three, four drones at a time? that is exceedingly dangerous. and i think it should be legislated against. it might be great fun, but it is nevertheless terribly dangerous. lord naseby bringing us to the end of monday in parliament. thank you for watching. alicia mccarthy will be here for the rest of the week. but from me, david cornock, bye for now.
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hello there. if you're travelling through the first part of the morning, bear in mind wintry weather could cause one or two problems. a combination of snow and ice from wintry showers that have been falling over recent hours, particularly across the north and the west of the uk. your bbc local radio station will, of course, keep you up—to—date with travel updates where you are. more of those wintry showers to come then through the first part of the day, and some more persistent snowfall for some parts of southern and eastern scotland, and not only over the highest hills. through the morning, showers continue to pass across the south—west of england, giving a covering of snow over some of the highest ground of dartmoor and bodmin moor, and also for wales, snow mixing in over the hills and mountains. a bit of snow over high ground in northern ireland, maybe some to lower levels. certainly some icy stretches here. similar for northern ireland and scotland, through the central belt, for example, there could be a covering of snow at quite low levels. 0ver high ground, we could see 10cm
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of snow or more lying by this stage. so yes, could be a little bit tricky out there on some of the roads and pavements. as we go through the day, it's a mixture of sunshine and showers. much of the winteriness becoming increasingly confined to higher ground. more like rain at low levels i think through the afternoon. eastern areas not seeing as many showers. there will be some sunshine, but it's going to be windy and it's going to be feel cold. the thermometer will read between four and eight degrees. when we factor in the strength of that wind, particularly brisk across southern areas, this is what it's going to feel like. it will feel like it's barely got above freezing. now, as we go through the night we will continue to see some showers, especially across northern and western areas. i think the snow will continue to pile up across higher ground in the north and west of scotland. not as many showers by the end of the night down towards the south and the east, and your overnight lows between one and four degrees. another rather chilly night,
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so there could be some icy stretches around on wednesday morning. for wednesday, this little bump in the isobars here is a ridge of high pressure trying to settle things down. it will be a drier day for many of us, but this frontal system bringing some outbreaks of rain into scotland. you can see the cloud and rain gathering out west sliding its way in. some heavy and persistent rain for some of the hills in the west. inland over the mountains, yes, some further significant snowfall. further south, though, much of northern ireland and certainly england and wales will b largely dry with some sunshine. a little bit milder by this stage. that's a process that continues as we head towards the end of the week. with that we will see some outbreaks of rain at times. that's all from me for now.
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