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yanis varoufakis: a process which i can only describe as a dog's brexit. applause welcome to brexitcast. you're not here to enjoy yourself. you're here to work. on the way in, you were all handed one of these, it brexitcast memorial binder. how amazing is that? said no one in the country ever. and if you open your binders, inside, you will find yourfirst lea ked inside, you will find yourfirst leaked documents. this is like a murder mystery perjury. who is going to be colonel mustard? i want to be miss scarlett! what this actually is, people asking what is going to happen to brexitcast. the best way to a nswer happen to brexitcast. the best way to answer is some legal certainty in
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hours to assemble within 2a to two hours to analyse it. aye? who is going to do article five? we've got this far out having a general election! wait until you see article six. to safeguard the rights of long—term listeners, brexitcast, the affirmation listeners and their family members... who wrote this? shall be referred to as brexit casters for as long as they wish. aye! in the presence of lord hall... typo! signed by us and if you can just all signed yourselves, it is not legally binding. can you witness? royal assent is granted. excellent. the whole point of this show is you're going to stimulate the discussion by giving us some
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questions. and we also have some vips in the front row and we will introduce throughout the programme. a flea they can chip in. i'm going to go and find emma jacobs. where are you? i was given a choice. sta i rs are you? i was given a choice. stairs orjump. jump, jump! i will grab the microphone. where are you? sorry. what is your question? there seem sorry. what is your question? there seem to be a lot of flag—waving yesterday by the british delegation in the european parliament. do you think we have any friends left in the eu? good question. let's see the flag—waving from parliament as the european prominent past diversity. what is not to like? we are going to wave you could and we will look forward in the future to working with you as sovereign... if you disobey the rules, you get cut off. would you please remove
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the flags? could i ask please for quiet? do we still have friends in the eu? not everybody was standing to say hooray at that point. if you see after the vote, there was a singing of auld lang syne. it was actually organised by the uk and eu friendship group, but a lot of the other meps jointed. of course we still have lots of friends in the eu. we all know the eu really wish that we had not decided to leave and we are leaving andi decided to leave and we are leaving and i think there's been lots of outpouring of love. i then you can expect a lot more of that in the next 48 hours. we also had, and ethic we've got some footage of it, the scottish smp meps, in floods of tea rs the scottish smp meps, in floods of tears outside. it is very clear that even amongst oui’ tears outside. it is very clear that even amongst our 70 plus meps, the
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opinions were quite divided. but despite all of the love and affection, and the need to work with the uk on security matters for example, i don't think we should be under any illusions that when it comes to the trade talks, the eu is us any favours. and so i think it's going to be a very interesting year to watch. they take it seriously that we should get this done by the end of the year. or least bones of it. it is going to be a bumpy ride. let's bring in some of our esteemed guests on the front row. you were a big voice and vote leave. how would you take on the question we heard there from emma about the relationship in the future between the uk and the eu? i think it's fair to say that nigel farage has its own way of doing things. i think we want the uk and the rest of the macro and you have good relations, trading relations, working on things like click security emma a
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whole host of areas, but in different terms, bilateral terms. were you uncomfortable with the sort of flag—waving we saw? uncomfortable with the sort of flag-waving we saw? it is not the thing i would have done. diplomatic! the tay —— leo varadkar might not be there because of his own election. it's a sort of, friends but helpful? not if it's not helpful to them. another question in a second. tonight in brussels, there is loads of stuff going on to say goodbye to the brits. the shops have all been lit up, colours of the unionjack. sounds like a bit like a rubbish theme park! that's a terrible way to talk about brussels. gabrielle fitzsimmons? i will jump talk about brussels. gabrielle fitzsimmons? i willjump to. go
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for it. what is the must confuse you beenin it. what is the must confuse you been in yourtimes it. what is the must confuse you been in your times covering brexit? this has the potential to take the remainderof this has the potential to take the remainder of the podcast, i think. i'm going to start this one, which is, and this is going back a while, to that moment i think in december 2017 when theresa may was prime ministerand it 2017 when theresa may was prime minister and it looked like there might be a deal on that first segment of the brexit negotiations, and then arlene foster of the dup except the phone and it kind of from the government's perspective went pear shaped. with a 2017?|j the government's perspective went pear shaped. with a 2017? i remember that moment. it was all on and then all off because arlene got lower instead... i understood there was some cheeky phone calls also going back to some rather senior brexiteers in london as well who we re brexiteers in london as well who were also quite sniffy about the deal. was that a confusing moment for you? what deal. was that a confusing moment
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for you ? what happened ? deal. was that a confusing moment for you? what happened? painful movement stomach moment, not confusing. it was clear the predator did not have consensus... she went back and took a huge risk because arlene was still not complete the happy then but teresa just took a decision that we needed to move this country decision that we needed to move this cou ntry forward decision that we needed to move this country forward and get to the next stage and on that occasion, the risk paid off. and i was when she got on a plane in the middle of the night. theresa may on the tarmac, having done the deal. what was alike on the plane when you're flying over thinking we are going to do this but we might not actually get the dup on board? you can ask but i am the wrong person. iwas board? you can ask but i am the wrong person. i was stuck in downing street... i was not on the plane. wasn't at the christmas party? the actual point she was making the decision, there
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were people singing come on, eileen... laughter you cayman as chief of staff after the election defeat... disaster. i deftly called it defeat. was there ever a moment when you're befuddled by what something meant? first months were difficult because my back run wasn't domestic. i had been housing minister. the first couple of months, talking about all the technical detail was usually challenging, but it was all, 60 or per 70% of my time, and it... challenging, but it was all, 60 or per70% of my time, and it... is challenging, but it was all, 60 or per 70% of my time, and it... is the most amazing job in the world but i wonder got is you cannot spend as much time as you want on the other things in politics. what about you? what was the most confusing
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bit for you? can i say all of it? or does it have to be more specific? waiting to see whether theresa may would resign or not and just waiting for her to stand on the platform and think, is this going to be the time she goes? i've got to ask you all about you. have you got a party lined up for tomorrow night? not yet. i think one of the most fascinating parts of the brexit process has been the confusion the uk has reading the eu in the confusion the eu gets into reading the uk and i think that has psychologically ta ken us the uk and i think that has psychologically taken us to very many confusing places, even like when the deal is now done. was boris johnson going to give in over northern ireland? unionists? can i have the microphone? we're going to
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have the microphone? we're going to have another question? adrian holly. the difference between rules of origin and country of origin? rules of origin goods, country of origin broadcast. my country is -- question is, do you think atrial is more or less likely shallow —— a trade deal? i don't think it makes it more likely or less likely. if you think of the balance in parliament last time, there were 30 or 40 parliament last time, there were 30 or40 mps to parliament last time, there were 30 or 40 mps to the eu could rely on to make sure we would not leave without a deal. that is absolute not the case now. those people, some of them in numberten, case now. those people, some of them in number ten, some them outside the tory party want to ship wrecks it is worth it because it will be different, they can do it knowing that it different, they can do it knowing thatitis different, they can do it knowing that it is going to go through parliament. that balance has tipped. that said, they want to show
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it's worth it and it is different from us ofa worth it and it is different from us of a cycle to be that kind of status quo normal weight type situation, but it does mean that a whopping majority and they will be able to accept trade—offs more easily. does that make sense? in a funny way, a harder brexit, a cleaner brexit, whatever you want to use, a more distant relationship then we would've seen in the last parliament as we are heading from, but if there are massive compromises, which there will be, it will be easier for the uk to swallow. shall we bring in david heading? you been explaining trade tools. how would you take on the question we have heard from adrian? what is the name of your think tank. it is long. sorry for that. what is your acronym? i can remember that!
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his advice is not cheap! i think we're are now heading into the stage we might be heading for a messy brexit, rather than a soft or a hard. we're to the point that trade deals actually involve huge amounts of individual decisions, lots of messiness. are we going to align on this, dynamic alignment on that? are we going to be close distant? sorry, it gets messy now. he is absolutely right. in one of the officials familiar now. . . in one of the officials familiar now... they're good to be some phased approach. we are going into line by line by line by line discussions about everything... that is worthy eu says there is not enough time to do it now. russians about borisjohnson, enough time to do it now. russians about boris johnson, disco... enough time to do it now. russians about borisjohnson, disco... i don't want to depress you for whatever shift we have with eu
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short—term? what will we end up with in the longer term? they might be different things. which brings us nicely to the question... apart from the trade agreement, what do you think is what of the biggest hurdle for the negotiations? where are you from? germinal he originally. there's so much. fish. that is going to bea there's so much. fish. that is going to be a big battle between the cot and he had taken every thing else. that's also somewhere the government is really determined to show a quick win, right? it's a huge powerful narrative about exit was taking back control of our watchers and all of that. and even a really small fraction of the economy, it's got this huge political totemic importance, so that's going to be a big battle soon. but the security stuff is not worked out really at all. european arrest warrants, people say they want to make it work, but it's not as easyjust to
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say that. i think, work, but it's not as easyjust to say that. ithink, and work, but it's not as easyjust to say that. i think, and david, you bang on the lot about this on twitter as well, i am banging on the same drum now, we joke a lot about trade and think about goods, what about services? what is going to happen with our services and the trade agreement? that's could be massive. what about governance of these agreements? the divorce still in our future trade deal, how do we police this exactly? it's sort of been outlined between the two sides but it has not really been decided. those details will be very difficult to work out and what, your member the backstop? how exactly is going to work in northern ireland? those details have to be hammered out this year. that cycling to be easy. we are reminiscing about the summer 2017, theresa may's lunch with jean—claude juncker. remember him? he retired now. he has an interview with hard talk, rolled out across the bbc in the next couple of days, and here is him talking about what might happen in the
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distant future. at somejuncture, might happen in the distant future. at some juncture, we might happen in the distant future. at somejuncture, we present ourselves at the door of the european union, who would be the one who would keep this foreclosed? it's better for britain and for european union to have britain with us than have written beside us. any reflections ? have written beside us. any reflections? may be in the future... you never know... no one in westminster at always making the for any kind of going back in. people come in the lib dems still want to campaignfor come in the lib dems still want to campaign for that kind of thing. it's just amazing, isn't it, campaign for that kind of thing. it'sjust amazing, isn't it, in campaign for that kind of thing. it's just amazing, isn't it, in the last few weeks since the election, how much that side of the debate has gone" how much that side of the debate has gone... they have to hold onto something. maybe a second referendum. maybe the next generation. i was interviewing
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the new commission president... i will say it again. and she was saying, it is up to the next generation. so thatis is up to the next generation. so that is for the river the eu is hoping is we come back somewhere down the line. let's bring in laura. tell us about yourself and the campaign you've been a part of and where it goes from here suffering we we re where it goes from here suffering we were pa rt of where it goes from here suffering we were part of a pro—european campaign —— from here. were part of a pro—european campaign -- from here. a pro-european campaign. we have not one that by think the rejoin argument is not the one for now but there are a couple of important things young people and myself think this country and work towards. we have heard about how many things will be decided in the course of this year, many complex things, and many things young people ca re things, and many things young people care about, freedom of movement, that these people can get involved with. what i want to know, how
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is the chapping with you and matthew elliott? matthew, your a campaigning strategic genius having taken a set of the eu. where did the peoples photo wrong? if you're running the campaign, what could they have done better? they started by trying to overturn the entire referendum. i felt they should've done for pushing for a different model of membership, they were norway model or something? yeah? what do you think about that? i think open britain did do that at the very beginning. they did argue for a soft brexit for some there was a chance to have a referendum. that was clearly the most democratic way out of the brexit gridlock. you might have thought it was about overturn the result. it was about giving the most democratic...” overturn the result. it was about giving the most democratic... i have seen giving the most democratic... i have seen the former mep do
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the most credible eyebrow raise. you have to pay for it. this has been a huge issue for the labour party. pay for it. this has been a huge issue for the labour partylj pay for it. this has been a huge issue for the labour party. i know that all the polling shows that lots of young people want to stop brexit and have another vote, but i think one of the problems is that there is lots of young people for whom shaoxing erasmus, erasmus, when do we want to? is not the priority run the country. there is a much broader mixture over different ages. part of the problem, things just mixture over different ages. part of the problem, thingsjust got so polarised and entrenched that it just was madness on the end of it. it was madness? yet. wrongly, i always thought parliament would at some point have a bit of common
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sense about it. we got so entrenched interviews inside and outside parliament, it was so hard to find a way to read. we should've learned from the referendum in scotland, how divisive that was, and obey seemed to reflect on some of those things. i think to reflect on some of those things. ithink is, to reflect on some of those things. i think is, has been sad. interesting, and created your programme, but i think... but the idea it came down to... trust. the landscape is certainly complete the different already. politics will be different already. politics will be different in the future. a massively powerfulfigure in the different in the future. a massively powerful figure in the government. one of his reflections was really interesting. it basically said uk politicians aren't going be able to
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blame europe for things that go wrong any more. shall we have a listen to what he said? one of the things from a document across my desk, i would things from a document across my desk, iwould be things from a document across my desk, i would be asked whether some there was a good idea. i would say i'm not sure this is a good idea. and i was told there is nothing you can do about it. this is eu law. this is going to change. it's going to end. as a result, actually commit or want to be a hiding place for politician like me. i can't blame europe for an implement any of the policies that discovery may be responsible for. and in that respect, brexit means politicians are no longer able to run away from the voters. for one, i'm going to remember michael gove said on the record i am not going to be able to blame europe any more. ian anderson, who cheekily sounds like michael gove? i might have been at the same
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school. that is where the comparison ends, though. you are a very ardent tory party watcher. what is the tory party going to fight about any more? how's it going to the culture?|j party going to fight about any more? how's it going to the culture? i do detect the election was a court arising moment however you voted. a sense that people do want to move on and, yeah, forthe sense that people do want to move on and, yeah, for the tory party, this has been going on for the past 50 years. i think it is... those who stayed in the tory party, and many of us have added debate about whether to stay in the tory party as a result of this, but those of us who have i think feel a different mood in the party in a different mood in the party in a different mood in the country. one quick final thing. when! mood in the country. one quick final thing. when i do have, why not? it's probably my thing it's going to
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be... laughter applause there is a thought! let's take another question from jane fowler because this is a question of very significant constitutional bearing... what will be the fate of adam's binders once brexit is done? they multiplied and had babies tonight! but did i not see a skip on the piazza? ask him on november five! shall we have a look at adam's perhaps final moment of chasing michel barnier through a brussels street? it was inside! hello! i'm very well. it's our last ever... for many people in this house and
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for you too, adam, for brexitcast team, how? it's not sad because we are going to become a newscast. still will exist. good news. ithink going to become a newscast. still will exist. good news. i think after work without any nostalgia even about... moving on. this is our last doorstep before brexit day. quite an historic moments. a sad moment, a sad day for you did a good job. i tried to do a good job. what is actually in that folder? it's the paperl actually in that folder? it's the paper i need to prevent my next visit, november six, tomorrow in spain. would you like to say hello chevron who's watching? please come into the future. —— please look to the future. applause you're going to break up for tonight him forever. thank
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you offerjoining us? would you come back for newcast after brexit? thank you! applause brexitcast. .. brexitcast... from the bbc. hello. our weather this week has come in two halves. the first half of the week — cold, frosty, snowy and icy in places, but also with some pleasant winter sunshine at times. hastings on the sussex coast, on wednesday, same location, slightly different viewpoint, different weather watcher, from thursday, very different weather. it's cloudier, it's damp, but it's also much, much milder. the air coming into the uk now
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from a long way south, and so we have these warmer colours across us. these represent the feel of the weather, these colours, they don't mean there's going to be a lot of sunshine around. that's clearly not the case now, and it is looking quite cloudy and wet at times going into the weekend. but, yes, milder. for friday, one spell of rain is pushing south across england and wales, further showers heading in behind, particularly to western scotland. a few brighter skies at times, too, its windy again, but it's very mild. some spots in eastern england could be up to 15 degrees celsius. now, as we go in to the weekend, we've got low pressure close to scotland, got a few weather fronts close to southern england. so, in scotland, a spell of rain here, pushing further south through parts of northern ireland and northern england. early rain from those weather fronts to the south clear away from southern england, and actually, there will be some sunny skies developing here into the afternoon. it is still mild, but temperatures are down a couple of degrees compared with where they've been for the past couple of days. another set of weather fronts are coming in for sunday. a chillier night, saturday night,
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here come the fronts on sunday, and now there's a better idea that this weather system with some rain, some hill snow too for the pennines, higher parts of scotland, will push quite a long way north across the uk on sunday, perhaps not reaching the far north of scotland. behind it, something a bit brighter, a few showers for wales and western england. still mild and blustery to the south, but it feels colder in scotland, with perhaps even a touch of frost to start the day on sunday. and then going from sunday into monday, low pressure close to scotland, and yet a few more weather fronts approaching across southern areas here. so, scotland, some rain and some hill snow gradually clearing on monday to showers. southern england still the chance of seeing some cloud and outbreaks of rain, not certain how far north that's going to push. it's still mild across the south, but really now just increasingly so here. and as we go from monday to tuesday, the fronts clear the south, low pressure going into the north sea, and look at the isobars lined up towards the arctic. that's a push of colder aircoming in, with, by tuesday, sunnier skies. but a brisk, cold wind pushing wintry showers down across the uk, a mixture of anything,
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rain, sleet, snow, hail. some of those feeding a long way south as well, and now temperatures are back down into single figures. so that is the change next week, a change in the feel of the weather, so the warmer colours have gone, we're back into the blues, the air coming down from the arctic for a time, but as we go deeper into the week, high pressure comes in, and that means things will settle down, it will turn drier and sunnier. but there's a second half to next week's weather, and here it comes. high pressure is squeezed away southwards, the flow of air now coming back from the atlantic, so it's milder again, here are the milder colours. but that will come with more cloud and the chance for rain once again. so, next week's weather is in two halves. at the start of the week, it's briefly colder. it'll be showery, so wintry showers, but then drier, sunnierfor a time, as high pressure builds, but then as it's squeezed southwards, temperatures go up, but it's cloudier with a chance of rain. i'll let you decide which half of next week's weather you prefer. bye— bye.
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the world health organization declares a global health emergency as china's coronavirus spreads — at least 170 people have now died. thousands more have been infected. tonight, 150 british nationals are being flown out of wuhan, the city at the centre of the outbreak, on a specially chartered plane. it's a massive relief. i can't wait to get back now and just sort of get away from everything and de—stress, i think. they'll be taken here — to an nhs centre on the wirral — where they'll be held in quarantine for a fortnight. tonight the uk raised the risk level from low to moderate. also on the programme... the number of rape prosecutions in england and wales has
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fallen sharply again. i think it's really important that people do report, but at the same time my gut instinct is to just say, don't bother. the future of the high speed rail network, hs2 — crucial talks tonight, as the government looks set to give the go—ahead. nike's controversial high—tech trainers, that helped kipchoge run a sub two hour marathon — now world athletics bosses are expected to announce tighter regulations. judi dench, shakespeare in love, ewan mcgregor, velvet goldmine. joe pesci, the irishman. and she's won the same number of oscars as meryl streep — we speak to the award—winnng costume designer sandy powell. and coming up on sportsday on bbc news... djokovic dispatches a frail federer to reach yet another australian open final, as he steps towards a 17th grand slam title.

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