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tv   Victoria Derbyshire  BBC News  January 31, 2020 10:00am-11:01am GMT

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hello, it's friday, it's ten o'clock, and it's brexit day, i'm joanna gosling. some breaking news in the last hour. two patients in the uk test postive for coronavirus. we'll bring you the latest throughout the programe and hear from one man who has flown back and quarantined himself in a british hotel room. i have no choice but to...to leave my parents behind. it is a very difficult decision. so, this is it. we are, finally, out of the eu in exactly 13 hours‘ time. how did we get here? we've heard from these people many times over the last few months as the brexit drama unfolded. how are they feeling?
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iam i am really happy today, today is british independence day. today we finally take back control of our laws, our money, our borders and our waters. today is a travesty for over half of this nation that do not want to believe in european union. —— be — — be leaving —— be leaving the european union. and three years ago, we brought the architect of brexit and a passionate remainer together for a blind date. that remainer‘s brother is now the prime minister. so, will their second date go better than ther first one did? the campaign against slavery is a very, very good example... yeah. ..where an increasing number of people think it's wrong. 0k. but the argument gets made, if we end it, it will have catastrophic consequences for the economies of bristol and liverpool. are you comparing the eu to slavery? same argument.
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hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. how are you marking brexit day? are you celebrating, hiding under the duvet, or feeling pretty indifferent? let me know, use the hashtag victoria live. of course, at 11 o'clock tonight, not much actually changes. it's the next year in which many of those details will be thrashed out. if you've got a question about that, chris morris is here to answer it. please send them in, the usual ways. we'll bring you all the breaking news on those confirmed cases of coronavirus throught the programme too. first, carrie has the news. it's been confirmed this morning that two patients in england, who are members of the same family, have tested positive for coronavirus, chief medical officerfor england professor chris whitty said.
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the flight is due to touch down at raf brize norton at lunchtime. in china itself, officials say more than 200 people have now died and the world health organization has declared the crisis a global emergency. borisjohnson will hail the dawn of a new era later as the uk prepares to leave the eu after 47 yea rs. uk prepares to leave the eu after 47 years. prime minister will describe severing ties with the other 27 eu nations as a moment of real national renewal and change. labour leader jeremy corbyn urged the country not to turn inwards and instead to build a truly international list diverse and outward —looking britain. little will change immediately as britain begins a transition period. the chief executive of the nhs has warned a television series by the actress gwyneth paltrow poses a considerable help as to the country. filmed at the headquarters of the
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actress's wellness brand goop explores alternative therapies. netflix says it is designed to entertain not provide medical advice. the authorities in the australian capital of canberra have declared a state of emergency as the threat from wildfires intensifies again. residents on the southern fringes of the capital have been told they should be prepared to evacuate. a heatwave and strong winds increase the fire danger. it is the first state of emergency declared in canberra in 17 years. two deaths in the uk have been linked to vaping according to the medicines and health care products regulatory agency. the regulator added it had received 20 reports describing 27 serious respiratory events linked to e—cigarettes. public health england described the deaths as concerning. those are the top stories. now let us those are the top stories. now let us go back tojoanna for the rest of
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the programme. we are staying with the programme. we are staying with the news breaking in the last few minutes, confirmed this morning that two patients in england who are members of the same family have tested positive for coronavirus. chief medical officerfor tested positive for coronavirus. chief medical officer for england professor chris whitty said the news earlier. with me in the studio, health reporter nicola morrison. very scant detail to go on, do we know much more beyond that? you are quite right, limited information at this time as the news has just broken. we know they are from the same family, but we don't know where in england they are or where they entered. as we have known from last week, the last flight from wuhan last wednesday, quarantine measures we re last wednesday, quarantine measures were not put in place yet. we would presume that is where they have entered the uk. as of today, the flight entered the uk. as of today, the flight that runs at 1230 pm today,
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quarantine measures are in place —— lands. there will be a two hour window before the passengers disembark the aircraft well there will be preliminary checks. —— where there will be. i spoke to a hot ci’oss there will be. i spoke to a hot cross bun at last week who said nine out of ten of the people who came into the country before the changes we re into the country before the changes were brought in about the quarantine which is effective from today, they we re which is effective from today, they were not... their whereabouts were not known. the message was self quarantine. this news will be quite a shock to the system. not unexpected but is going to mean medical professionals will be much more keen to try to track down others who have come in. absolutely. if nothing more, it has caused the cautionary stage of being more aware of where the people are in terms of the two—week period where symptoms may not even present themselves, so if nothing more, definitely lessons learned, we need to know whether people are when they enter into the uk. the details of quarantine, how much is known? we don't know a great
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deal about quarantine details, we know they will be travelling up to arrowe park hospital where they will stay for two weeks. we know that is near to liverpool tropical medical centre, that may have informed why they were travelling up there. very limited information at this time. this has been unfolding for a little while now, officials, professionals, they have been geared up for exactly they have been geared up for exactly the scenario breaking out. no doubt will be stepped up immediately and presumably those around the two tested positive will be taken in full quarantine as well. absolutely. how they will separate those from those who have not yet presented symptoms, i don't know. we know that there will be a stepping up of the procedures. nicola, thank you very much. more on that a little later. i also have spoken to a man who left wuhan, he had gone to visit his very sick father and had to take a very difficult decision to come back once
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the coronavirus broke out. it's brexit day, after 47 years of european union membership and three and a half years since the uk voted to leave the eu. the uk will officially leave at 11 o'clock tonight with celebrations expected across the country by leave voters. some will mark it differently. in edinburgh, there will be a candle—lit vigil at an event called missing eu already. the prime minister borisjohnson will hail the dawn of a new era in a speech tonight and he's holding a cabinet meeting in sunderland where there was a majority vote for brexit. big ben won't bong. a countdown clock will be projected on number 10 downing street. so, how did we get here? the british people have spoken and the answer is... ..we're out. cheering. the country requires fresh leadership. brexit means brexit. a general election. you're joking.
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not another one?! we cannot see any way at all that the conservatives can get to the 326 mark, and we think it is pretty clear that there is going to be a hung parliament. i believe our best days lie ahead of us. order! the noes have it. a flexible extension, do not waste this time. i will shortly leave the job. i have accepted. suspend parliament... not acceptable. unlawful. they do see a pathway. we will pause this legislation. the prime minister, who said last month that he'd rather die in a ditch... i'd rather be dead in a ditch. ..than ask for another brexit delay, has now written to the european council
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president accepting a three—month extension. we are going to go out there with the biggest campaign this... get brexit done. nine years to fund our nhs! a little bit patronising. the mess of brexit. borisjohnson's deal is unacceptable. i don't even know where that rumour started. our exit poll is suggesting that there will be a conservative majority. we don't give up. i wish you well. cheering. the ayes have it. cheering. royal assent, european union withdrawal agreement act 2020. it's been a long and winding road, hasn't it? we've followed many people over the last few months as the brexit story has unfolded and will spend the next hour with some of them. it has been a heated debate along the way, how are you feeling? happy? happy. your voice is known to many, maybe not the face so much can you
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have your megaphone, you think it is a disaster. absolutely, a disaster. over half of the nation do not want to be leaving the eu, we were denied a confirmatory vote on what the deal would have been. because they know that remain would have been the answer. how are that remain would have been the answer. how are you that remain would have been the answer. how are you feeling today? i am here to complain. i am completely devastated. i think it is the wrong decision for the country. i think it is obvious that, actually, all the polling shows there is a consistent majority for us to remain in the eu now. yes, i voted to leave. but i have changed my mind since then. what we were told we were getting in 2016 is not what we are getting. we are leaving, who is happy? what polling are we talking about? we had a landslide majority in the general
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election, smashed the red wall, people are telling us the polling suggests otherwise. we finally have the guts to govern our country, make our laws, hold our politicians accountable and get away from the unelected bureaucrats in brussels, we are not leaving europe, we are leaving the eu. i'm very happy. i think this is the first day of the rest of our nation's life. i cannot believe it has happened. we have managed to bat off all the remainers. it hasn't happened. first hurdle of hundreds. not in denial, we a cce pt hurdle of hundreds. not in denial, we accept it is happening. we are not even over the first hurdle. 80 seat majority for the conservatives. 17 million voted for brexit in the referendum, where are the other 4 million? we were running old arguments, think back to labour, they said... we don't need to re-1 old arguments, we can talk about new
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ones. “ rerun. old arguments, we can talk about new ones. -- rerun. the numbers don't add up. i was not a member of a political party, i was worried about the risk of no deal, ended up standing for the lib dems against sajid javid on one point, this, what level of harm are you willing to acce pt level of harm are you willing to accept with brexit? this morning we had in the times the canada deal boris is going to suggest next week is going to hit the economy by 4.8%, meaning less money, lessjobs, less investment in the nhs, and if you go back... investment in the nhs, and if you go back. . . just investment in the nhs, and if you go back... just fear. we have heard it for the last three years. it isjust fear. what do these experts know? we have had this again and again from the remainers, scaremongering, and still we won landslide majority. not a landslide majority. 80 seat
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majority is a landslide. we cannot hear when everyone speaks over each other. we have not left yet. we are leaving today and we have a year to strike a good trade deal. 11 months. i don't understand this... we cannot hear when everyone speaks over each other. let her finish her point. everyone said that boris would not be able to get a deal, he got a deal in two weeks, i have every confidence, governments, good trade deal. notjust confidence, governments, good trade deal. not just that confidence, governments, good trade deal. notjust that eu, 66% of our traders with the rest of the world. we need to look outward, at asia, south america, the place is growing. the eu is a dead duck. we used to pay 10 billion into eu. there was a trade deficit of £90 billion. we have to pay 10 billion to have a trade deficit of 90 billion. take, take. let us hear other voices we have not heard. if we are not going to listen to the bank of england, who will we listen to? lots of very experienced economists saying this
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is bad for the economy. it is too late now. the bank of england have done several u—turns on the brexit situation though. not much of a coming together. we will hear later from racheljohnson. she will strongly remain, she says she has come to terms with it, have any of you? i have an tattle. how are people going to come together? -- i haven't at all. i voted remain and isall saw an upturn in my software business, we found business improved after brexit apart from a wobbly year with the uncertainty, we have had a booming trade and we can see with the tech industry brexit will bea with the tech industry brexit will be a good thing for the economy. we haven't left yet. 600 agreements to be sorted out by the end of the year, three affect health care
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directly, respecting medical qualifications for all professionals, we need uk agreement on that, the european medicines agency, will the uk remain on that, the european medicines agency, willthe uk remain a member? data trials... there is a lot of work... and effective deal that satisfies the general public. but i am in the real estate industry and we are seeing such a positive trajectory now. we know what we're doing and how we are getting there and he was it across businesses that brexit can offer benefits for businesses. tell that to the people who have lost their jobs. that to the people who have lost theirjobs. what about the people, theirjobs. what about the people, the examples we have heard of you are fortunate to be in the elite ina you are fortunate to be in the elite in a position to be operating a
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business. it was very hard. not everybody has the opportunity to be involved in business. i am from an area where what we are seeing over the last ten years has been a decline in investment in people. the business, well done, i know you have had to work hard, but what about people who don't have that opportunity to do that? can i step in? no, this is the first time i have got to speak, notjust in? no, this is the first time i have got to speak, not just yet. in? no, this is the first time i have got to speak, notjust yet. my main concern is how we can trust the government doing brexit, i am main concern is how we can trust the government doing brexit, lam not against it, i'm concerned about the government because one of the very meditative things we have seen as the scottish independence referendum was exactly the same percentage as this vote —— very manipulative. it was considered illegal because it was considered illegal because it was not proportional enough for scotland to have its freedom. why is it legally binding? evenjacob rees—mogg has said we should have a second referendum at the end of the process. you have just joined us, harry. stood for the brexit party.
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it makes me... painful to listen to, already been here two minutes, already been here two minutes, already cringing. we have had a vote, several times we have voted on it, tonight isn't just vote, several times we have voted on it, tonight isn'tjust about leaving the eu, we have save democracy. wait, wait. let me speak. can i speak? can you answer the question? listen to me. when you talk about the people... michelle, let him... the people voted on this and now another thing is... sectori the people voted on this and now another thing is... sector i am the people voted on this and now anotherthing is... sector i am in, contracts, contracts have popped up, wages have gone backwards, waiting queues at hospitals, waiting queues at gp surgeries, this is about the people, things that will improve. not rocket science. one minute. it is about supply and demand. if you
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get 400,000, 500,000 is about supply and demand. if you get a00,000, 500,000 people coming into the country every year under freedom of movement, it is not rocket science to say that if the infrastructure is not a there, how will you help these people, help your neighbour? things are going backwards, your standard of living is going backwards. eastern europe's for instance has gone up. yet you are putting in more money than 20 countries combined. what do you say about the people... brexit is about the people. we have full control over immigration. no, we don't. we will now. people who come into this country from outside the eu...|j will now. people who come into this country from outside the eu... i am going to have to... you will all have to stop talking because no one can hear. we are going to... we are going to go and... i'm going to have to ask you all to stop talking. we are going to hearfrom somebody... 0k. are going to hearfrom somebody... ok. cani
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are going to hearfrom somebody... ok. can ijust say, nobody watching can hear anything when you talk over each other? please don't do that. listen to sabine who voted with her feet, moved to germany after brexit. we have followed yourjourney throughout from the moment he decided to pack up, to move back to germany —— you decided. how are you feeling today? thank you so much for having me. iam incredibly sad, such a sad day for the uk, sad day for the european union, sad day for people. just listening to that shouting over the top of each other, it just says shouting over the top of each other, itjust says nothing has changed. what we forget, someone said something about people a bit earlier, i was not allowed to vote. i moved to the uk in 1999, worked for a local authority, paid my taxes, i was a volunteer, it was my home. and i was not allowed to vote
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as an eu citizen. rolling forward, we left the country, before we left, i became naturalised, i experienced the hostile environment of the home office and i will tell you, it is atrocious, appalling, how eu citizens are being treated in the country. there is no respect. there is no humility. everyone isjust shouting. the racist abuse... the racist undertones were absolutely awful and it all changed with the referendum. it was the atmosphere. so heated. and it was made hotter and hotter. it is awful. i havejust been listening to the debate just now, we are still there. people now have to apply for settled status and it is an application, so people are
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being denied their basic rights of their basic human right of staying in their homes and being respected for being part of the community and it fills me with great sadness. the last thing i want to say is, as someone last thing i want to say is, as someone said, we have not left yet, the uk has not left yet, the transition period will start tonight going on until the 31st of december this year, and it is all open, everything is still open. they could still be no deal in the uk could crash out. again, the risk is there and you can tell me what you want, the uk, the cost of brexit preparations, more than the uk has played in over 47 years into the eu budget. the cost of the country are awful, horrendous, and people don't... awful, horrendous, and people don't. .. i want awful, horrendous, and people don't... i want to awful, horrendous, and people don't. .. i want to get reaction to what you are saying in the studio. harry, how do you respond to that? it makes me laugh how... look, she
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is talking about... let me say something. hang on, sabine, trying not to talk over each other. let harry respond. fears and emotions... that fills me with even greater sadness. not at all. shall i tell you what was disgusting? are you going to let me talk? what was disgusting was when you had... sabine, please... chemical warfare going on in syria, those people trying to seek refuge, the eu's response question about barbed wire. you can sing and dance and get emotional and people were dying and the european union... the answer was barbed wire. we will pause. get real with your emotions. life and
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death... it is brexit day, we leave at 11, as you can see in the studio, feeling is running incredibly high, three and a half years of heated debate, what will it take to bring the country together, that is the question on politicians‘ mines going forward ? question on politicians‘ mines going forward? what might change after today? we have this transition period until the 11 root and of the year, 11 months to strike a deal. chris morris is here. as we can hear, it is visceral the way people feel but in terms of what will actually change after today, what happens? the prime minister has talked about healing the nations but the passions are still there. the strange thing is it is a momentous day because legally at 11 o‘clock tonight we are out of the eu after nearly 50 years. no more meps. no more legal membership of all the institutions. practically, for 99.9% of the people in the country, next week will feel exactly the same as this week. all the practical issues
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people are worried about because of the 11 month transition period, can i take my dog down to the south of france on a flight with his passport next week question that yes, you can, the rules are the same. can i drive to germany without an international driving permit next week? yes, you can. the deadline for practical issues, this has to be negotiated still, the 31st of december. today is a big symbolic day and it is a real turning point in recent history but an awful lot of things, a lot of detail, has to negotiated. a lot of fear about what it will mean. ayo has been stockpiling at some for his daughter because of fears of there being shortfalls and stocks. what is the evidence turning out to be on that? i think evidence turning out to be on that? ithinka evidence turning out to be on that? i think a lot of the fear was generated by the debate about there being no deal. no deal was leaving with doubt and withdrawal agreement. —— without a withdrawal agreement. it is an international treaty,
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locked into law. for example, british citizens living elsewhere in the eu, the treaty guarantees than the eu, the treaty guarantees than the rights over state pension, health for life. the difficulty is more on those kinds of issues for people who maybe wanted to think about moving to europe in the future, what health care provisions will they have? what will replace for example the card in the future? that has to be negotiated. stockpiling medicine is now, i wouldn‘t be doing it, i don‘t think it is necessary. but have these things got to be negotiated? our entire trading relationship, yes, it has. you know what borisjohnson wa nts, has. you know what borisjohnson wants, super canada, canada plus, the type of free trade agreement the eu has with canada, but it is not the same as the relationship we have now where there is a frictionless trade for business. government admits there will be more delays and checks out borders and it is same to
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business, over medicines, chemicals, food and drink, car parts, business will have to adjust to this big reality. it is going to be a big challenge for business to do that in a pretty short period of time. we will be putting questions from our audience here and at home to you a little bit later. more from all of you ina little bit later. more from all of you in a little while well. we have been getting lots of comments coming through from you at home. on twitter, i am through from you at home. on twitter, iam hiding through from you at home. on twitter, i am hiding under the duvet, netherland citizen, 23 and half years in uk my home. another, finally, brexit after all this time, i wish remainers would have more faith in this country. miriam on e—mail, iam faith in this country. miriam on e—mail, i am in faith in this country. miriam on e—mail, iam in mourning. on twitter, i will be celebrating tonight, nice to be able to decide finally my future than have it dictated to. on twitter, i have cleaned and decontaminated my car tyres after a dog used my front
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garden. that sets the mood for the day. another, iam garden. that sets the mood for the day. another, i am turning off all programmes to safeguard my sanity. thank you for those. we have sent a recovering remainer racheljohnson and the man some call the architect of brexit nigel farage for a second blind date. we will hear how they got on. back to the top story today. it‘s been confirmed this morning that two patients in england, who are members of the same family, have tested positive for coronavirus, chief medical officer for england professor chris whitty said. a flight repatriating britains stranded in the virus—hit chinese city of wuhan will arrive at raf brize norton this afternoon, with its passengers now being transported to merseyside where they‘ll be quarantined for two weeks. yesterday, we spoke to matt raw who lives in wuhan with his wife, ying, and his mother, who has alzheimer‘s. when we spoke to him, he had a place on the plane
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but was considering giving it up. really, we are at a point now where my wife can‘t come, there is no point in us even trying any more. i think after this, i will be calling the fco to say this just isn‘t going to fly. well, matt sent us a message late last night and here it is. it‘s matt raw here, just to let you know that we are actually on board a flight and the chinese government has allowed my wife, ying, to travel, thankfully. and my mother as well. so, when we got the phone call at 4.30 this morning from the foreign office saying, "we think your wife‘s going to be able to go," we literally had about five minutes to throw a few things into a suitcase and get on the plane. so, it does appear that we are going to be back in the uk hopefully in just a few hours. and look forward to speaking to you then. all the best.
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that was matt raw speaking from inside that plane that‘s on its way back to britain as we speak. we can talk now to someone who‘s already made thatjourney. earlier i spoke to james, he does not want to be identified, we blurred his face, hong kong national who lives in the uk and recently travelled back from wuhan. he returned with his two—year—old son and self quarantine in a hotel room even though he does not have symptoms. i went back to wuhan to see my parents. my parents were in serious medical condition and unfortunately close to the end of his life. so i bring my kids back to see him. we work in london, so it‘s just a shock. this morning, my wife called me telling me that the situation is changing rapidly and the government has
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decided to shut down the city after 10am local time. when she called me it was 6am in the morning. so still had four hours window to go. i quickly find a train ticket to shanghai and bring my son with me and we get on the train in time and left wuhan at 9am. sojust one hour before the shutdown. then we reached shanghai five hours later. at that moment, everybody on the train and in the train station are monitored for their temperature. so anybody with abnormal temperature will be held. so we seemed ok, because i and my
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son stayed indoors even in wuhan and then in shanghai, i quickly found a flight back to london. at that moment i think the situation may change rapidly and a flight will be very difficult to find to go back if we are too slow. sorry to interrupt, but all you are describing, it has obviously been logistically quite difficult for you and also expensive, especially staying in this hotel for two weeks. how disruptive has this been to you financially and also in terms of your home life and your work? financially, yes, it is a little bit difficult. but it‘s still ok for myself in my case. the train, the tickets, the flight tickets are all expensive
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but there is no choice, it‘s not an issue of money. it is an issue of safety for my son and my family. so money is not the consideration. i think we need to get back to our home, back to the uk as soon as possible otherwise we will be trapped here, stuck here. you say the safety of your family, your wife and other child are at home and you are particularly thinking about protecting them? yes, because two—year—old son is with me and if i am too late, if my action is too slow, we‘ll be stuck there and that will be very dangerous for him. so the only thing i am thinking about is to leave china, mainland china as soon as possible and back to where i think is safe. you mentioned that you were in china because your father is very ill, it must have been very hard leaving
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in these circumstances? yes. in the morning, i think... i felt very sad that i had no choice to leave my parents behind. it‘s a very difficult decision. they can‘t go with me, my father has to continue receiving all the medical treatments. so it is very difficult moment, that morning, to that decision. he returned from wuhan and is self isolating. meanwhile there has been two cases of coronavirus this morning, two members of the same family. nathalie macdermott is clinical research fellow at imperial college london.
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we don‘t know anything other than they are two members of the same family, but what will it mean now the viruses here? i don't think it will change much because we have been anticipating this for the last couple of weeks and we‘re not surprised we have a couple of cases now in the uk after france and germany have a couple of cases as well. i don‘t think it is going to change anything per se, but itjust means our public health authorities will be tracing any contacts of those individuals they may have had and monitoring them to make sure they don‘t develop any symptoms. and monitoring them to make sure they don't develop any symptoms. the policy previously, obviously quarantine now comes into effect today for anyone coming into this country from wuhan, but previously it was to self isolate. i spoke to james who did that very thoroughly but there will be people who have not done that. how easy will it be to trace the people who have come into this country and the others who
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have come into contact around them? it is always a difficult challenge to trace people who have come into the country and we are not familiar with where they have come from and they may have moved to any part of they may have moved to any part of the uk. it is difficult to trace them. to trace contacts of people who are unwell is a little bit more straightforward. it‘s not foolproof but for the most part people are responsible and they will say if they have had contact and they will notify if they are feeling unwell. i think it is important to emphasise that we have a responsibility, not just to ourselves in this situation, but our fellow man, that if we do know we have had contact that we let the public health authorities know and if we do feel unwell, we tell them urgently and we also inform any health care provider and take measures to self isolate until we can see your health care provider. thank you very much. name the person in this country most associated with brexit and many
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people would say nigel farage. the former ukip leader, then brexit party leader, spent 27 years campaigning for the uk to leave the european union and today he gets his wish. three years ago, we sent mr farage on a blind date with journalist, broadcaster and ardant remainer racheljohnson. at the end of their last date, they agreed to meet again to talk about how brexit had panned out. here‘s a little recap of what happened on their date. what if i don‘t know who he is? may i introduce you to your... how about that? that's amazing. ..to your date? he‘s completely destroyed the country. he‘s turned the tory party into conkip. but i like him an awful lot. well, are you single, nigel? that's a very good question. i'm not very married at the moment, let's put it like that. could you go to bed with a remainer? could you make her see the light? do you know what? i'm not going to answer that!
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it‘s sad that your private life‘s fallen apart. 53, separated, skint. yeah, great, isn't it? why are you skint? well, 20 years of doing this! we decided to mark so—called brexit day, that it was time for the pair to go on a second date. since the last one, racheljohnson‘s brother has become prime minister. let‘s see what happened this time. gosh, that's a bit threatening. here we are again. christ. my name is racheljohnson, part of thejohnson clan. i'm nigel farage, i'm a salesman. nobody wants to be sold down the river. i have spent the last 27 years of my life campaigning to leave the european union. it's going to happen. i was a remainer and now i am a recovering remainer. i want leavers and remainers to lie
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down as the lion and lamb together. i mean, dreams don't come true, do they? i‘ll be very disappointed if my blind date isn‘t nigel farage. so you better deliver. i‘m so excited. i don't believe it. ijust don‘t believe it! but i'm pleased, i'm pleased, i'm very pleased. hello, love. how are you? you don't look a day older. did you know or did you guess? no! did you know? did you hope? i hoped. hoped against hope. no, i did actually hope. all right, well, let‘s see how it goes, nigel. well, i'll order a bottle and if you want... no, you can‘t! well, of course i will. ok, order a bottle. i will. what are you going to have? i'm probably today going to have a steak. as it‘s brexit week. as it's brexit week. it worries me that remainers,
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who aren‘t in recovery, like i am, are beginning to sound really petty and a bit nuts. yeah. we have a tiny minority of leavers in a very large family, but it‘s been that one leaver in the family who has led the whole country out of europe. it almost turned into a civil war at one point. what is going to be important now is winning the peace, and that‘s why i didn‘t feel that the big ben bong for brexit was necessarily very clever. well, can you think of a bigger constitutional change since henry viii? no, but i think if you ring big ben, that‘s symbolic nationally. well, i think not to ring big ben, around the rest of the world, makes us look a bit ridiculous. oh, come on! nobody is saying, "and they didn‘t bong... "and big ben didn‘t bong!" what i find astonishing is not the upset, because you can be upset with the result, but the refusal to accept the result.
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that's the thing i find very difficult. it‘s a generational change. but it was an instruction. but wait, wait, wait. it‘s not just. .. it was a clear instruction. it‘s notjust voting one party into power, it‘s deciding to leave the union of 28 countries in which our children and grandchildren can work, live and travel freely. suffer. pay taxes for. there is no point... listen... let‘s not re—run it, but you must accept... there is no point arguing... come on. but you must accept that... no, no, no. you must accept... no, it‘s notjust an election, it‘s a decision to change the nature of our national life completely. you must accept that the established status quo never want change of any kind at all, because "i'm all right, jack." look, mate, as a woman, i understand this. you know, this is why the patriarchy doesn‘t like to see women taking over, because they like the status quo as well. slavery is a very, very good example of this. the what? slavery is a very good... the campaign against slavery is a very, very good example... yeah.
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..where an increasing number of people think it's wrong. 0k. but the argument gets made, if we end it, it will have catastrophic consequences for the economies of bristol and liverpool. are you comparing the eu to slavery? same argument. this is very ann widdecombe of you. same argument, same argument. same principle. it's... court laws. court laws are even better. court laws. ok, extend the slavery one. so, the slavery one is, those that are in power are doing very well out of slavery. they've done very well out of slavery for a long time, and even though they know themselves that morally it is wrong, they will do everything they can to... what was morally wrong with being a member of the eu? an institution, that i don‘t need to remind you, the single market was set up by a brit and was run by brits, and it was a british idea. bad brits. the thing is, we know that all the main problems that face us can‘t be faced as sole traders. oh, yes, they can.
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they can‘t, nigel. why not? well, what about coronavirus, climate change, nuclear proliferation? well, europe's far too small to deal with that. we‘re in a climate emergency — let‘s not go into it... are we? but we are now saying that we don‘t really... says greta. yeah, call me greta. ..that we can overlook a market 22 miles away in order to send container ships thousands and thousands of miles... we are not ignoring it, rachel. ..putting sulphur into our oceans. the fact is, the world has become a very small place. nigel, the fact is, the world has remained exactly the same size in terms of container shipping miles. i'll tell you what has got smaller, the importance of europe. europe is a much less important place than it was just a few years ago. and that trend will continue. i‘ll tell you what has become smaller, our power as a global player outside europe. that is probably the worst
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argument in 30 years. i think friday, 11 o'clock, is the point of no return. once it's done, there is no going back. well, not for 10, 20 years, folks! well, the eu won't be there. oh, come on, nigel. i bet you. no! i‘ll be back. ok, let‘s have another date... 0k, fine. ..in five, ten, 15 years. the eu is not going away. when we met last time after the referendum... you were skint, your marriage had broken up, you were being attacked in restaurants. you were in a bad way. now you look slimmer, you are happy, you‘ve achieved your lifetime‘s ambition. yeah, i am pretty happy. and you‘re making money. things are a lot better. and we are leaving! we are actually leaving. i‘m just pretending. nigel, you must eat some greens. i must, you're absolutely right.
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i will, i will do as you say. eat your greens. i will do as you say! ok, can we just talk about you leaving the european parliament? that's it, i'm done, i'm out of there. and do you think they will be glad to see the back of us? i...think they're going to miss us horrendously. and are you going to miss them? you are, aren‘t you? i'll miss the theatre, i'll miss that. i'll miss being the pantomime villain. that was great. thanks, josie, we‘ve finished. you know. yeah. iwould... what are you going to replace it with in your life? you could go to the lords. oh, i don't think... well, i don't think they'll ever offer me anything. why not? but what i really want... you actually... i mean, you probably are more responsible for brexit than any other brit on the earth. sure. yeah. but they can't admit that. why, they have to own it themselves? they are too insecure, it is all too difficult. really? oh, yeah, yeah. have you had a meeting with the tories? no, i'm not interested. i'm not interested.
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there's no point. look at me nigel. there is no point, no point. nigel. i'm not going to the house of lords, 0k? and would i want to go anyway? would i want to go anyway? imean... how is your love life? not that active, really. i've been so busy working with the brexit party. is there a new lady farage? no, there is, i'm still married. oh, are you? separated, but i am actually officially still married. the last time we had lunch, i asked you if you could ever sleep with a remainer. yeah. oh, i think i could, yeah. you could manage it? i don't see... politics wouldn‘t get in the way of chemistry? no, no. the problem is the other way around, isn't it? leavers are the inclusive... we are laid—back, relaxed... yeah, bring it on. we are happy. and now it‘s remainers who have gone all arty and picky and snooty. angry, aggressive, intolerant, small—minded. .. would you like a dessert?
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no, i'm fine, thank you very much. i‘m going to have a look at the pudding. well, if i got one, you could stick yourfork in it, yeah? and that is not a euphemism for anything! it's ok. i can resist everything but temptation, it's fine. you have moderated your views a lot in three years. have i? yeah, you were really angry. it is the subject that has been metamorphosising people. they go from being normal... yeah, i think brexit was like a metastatic cancer into the body politic. it‘s got in there and then everybody became radicalised by it. i will never be a leaver, but i‘m very happy... no. no, no. but i don‘t think the term leaver and remainer apply any more, and ifor one am relieved. but what i do think is that both sides, if there are going to be sides, have got to make sure that whatever happens is right for the country. this lunch is on me.
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is it? oh, my god! you won, i lost. well, that's marvellous. thank you. so, the loser picks up the bill. that's very sporting. cheers. nice to see you. really nice to see you. our second date. very pleased. doesn't often happen. reaction to that blind date? first to bring you an update on coronavirus. those two confirmed cases in the uk this morning. the chief medical officer has given a briefing to journalists. two patients from the same family are being treated at a specialist infectious disease centre in newcastle. the case we reported and overnight and they were transported to newcastle. the gender and nationalities are not being
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revealed, or when they came to the uk. contacts are being traced and the chief medical officer says they believe the mortality rate from the new strain coronavirus is low at 2%, which is less than sars at 10% and ebola. this morning we‘ve got a panel of 15 people with us to give their reaction to how they are feeling about brexit day. some of them will be celebrating at 11:00 tonight, while others will commiserating and one who is still campaigning to stop brexit. just listening to nigel farage, and racheljohnson, how do you feel about the country coming together? it is important we focus on where we are going and not where we have been in not repeating the arguments that the country has been paralysed with for the last three and a half years.
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it is about the future and getting the right deal. they represent a large proportion of the fishing industry in scotland and leaving the common fisheries policy presents a huge opportunity to right the wrongs of the common fisheries policy, where more than 60% of the fish caught in the uk voters are not caught in the uk voters are not caught by a uk fleet. there is a real opportunity to change that to make sure the uk can decide that we decide to catch where and what in our waters. when do you expect to see those benefits? quite quickly because fishery negotiations take pa rt because fishery negotiations take part on an annual basis. as a coastal state we should be taking pa rt coastal state we should be taking part in negotiations. we have not heard from you yet. you were a remainer, but whether we use those terms are not, how are you feeling? i will always be a remainer and i was listening to all of you and it is funny because you say on the 31st of december, it is done. we have 11
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months. it has been three years trying to make a deal, nothing worked. do you think an 11 months we can do something? for me it is like a joke, honesty. to be honest, can do something? for me it is like ajoke, honesty. to be honest, i can do something? for me it is like a joke, honesty. to be honest, i do feel there is a lot of fear. i think people treat me with that respect sometimes because i am from a foreign country. i have been here foreign country. i have been here for almost eight years, i work and pay my taxes. i work for home care provider and we are having so many problems to try to hire people, it is such a problem. put your hand up if you think this country is more united going forward? we have had the debate, we have a clear path, are we more united? less than half of you. iamas i am as british as you are and i‘m
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from northern ireland. this has delighted every political party from sinn fein to the dup. in 55 years, i thought i would never see that happen. there will be loads of questions going forward, chris. this is brexit day and we leave tonight, but the next 11 months will be key in terms of what decisions are taken and what happens going forward. nigel as, can‘t you expert tell us what we can do that being a member stopped us from doing and can you also tell us some of the things we we re also tell us some of the things we were made to do that didn‘t really wa nt to were made to do that didn‘t really want to do and that can now be reversed? the biggest thing we can do, and the government point to it a lot, which we could not do within the eu is go around the world and do our own trade deals. it will be a massive task over the next few years because not only do we have to create a new trading relationship with the eu, there are plenty of other countries around the world that we are part of free trade
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agreements with because of our eu membership. those have got to be renegotiated. and there is a possibility of doing trade deals with other countries. the united states is one that has been discussed with the visit of mike pompey. many trade deals, the key thing is they involve trade—offs. fisheries will be with the eu, a source of contention. they are going to come over and say, we want access to come over and say, we want access to your waters and if you don‘t, you cannot sell as much of your fish you cannot sell as much of your fish you cannot sell as much of your fish you cannot sell it tariff free in our market. as you know, a lot of people who produce fish, who are reliant on selling it in the eu market, so how do you get the balance right? how do you balance off the fishing communities with the financial services community? these are the detailed decisions i don‘t think most people have heard enough from the government on. there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes in the civil service. they are experts on everything, but they do need the
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political direction. the one thing we have heard from business which they like about this government, is at least it is a government with a majority. we had three years of dithering but now we have a direction now. at least we will have some movement. how much it will be here of that debate? it has been quiet up until this point?l here of that debate? it has been quiet up until this point? a monday, borisjohnson will give a speech setting out his trade policy. i think he will say we want something that looks a bit like the eu canada deal. zero tariffs and zero quotas, which sounds great, but there is a lot of other things involved in trade, apart from tariffs, which is the taxes you pay when you pass things across borders. they are all sorts of rules and regulations the eu have that currently we abide by because until 11 o‘clock tonight, we are part of the eu. the eu messages, you can diverge from those rules if you can diverge from those rules if you want, but the more you do that, the more barriers to trade goes up.
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there was a meeting yesterday between michael gove and a lot of business leaders in which these things were discussed. tell us how much you plan to divert so we can make our plans on how we adjust our business, just the way we tried to make sure we can still afford it. is it over? we had racheljohnson say it over? we had racheljohnson say it is not over, we will be back in. put your hand up if you think we will be back in? i think eventually we will rejoin. even though we have had a massive election, boris johnson has a massive majority. the facts remain, these questions, these things, these practical, you know, situations still have to be resolved. as we get towards the end of the year we will get closer to essentially, seeing this reality and you know, it's going to be... the eu has been a bit of a whipping boy,
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might you get nostalgic for things that go? the relationship is changing, europe isn't disappearing and that is what people need to get their head around. what will happen is, the eu has sucked the life out of communities up and down this country. when communities start reaping the rewards of their services going up and things changing, the eu will never, like nigel said, it is done with and we're not going tonight's victory, one final point, the celebration will be the sweetest. it will be the sweetest because you have got the gina millerof sweetest because you have got the gina miller of this world and tony blairand gina miller of this world and tony blair and this chap in the end, they have frustrated the process so much, it is even sweeter. our country will come together. how can this country come together. how can this country come together? accept it and move
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on. there is a bright future ahead. what have you won? we almost out of time, what are you doing at 11 o‘clock tonight? time, what are you doing at 11 o'clock tonight? going out for a meal. parliament square. shaking my head in general. i will find that chap and have a beer with him. will you have a beer with him? no, i'm going out for a meal. watching a movie. i have been in london all week on business, sol movie. i have been in london all week on business, so i hope i will be asleep. i will be focusing on my family. sleeping probably. iwill be milk shaking myself. thank you all very much for coming in. heated debate, as it has been throughout the last three and a half years. that moment tonight, 11 o‘clock is when we officially leave the eu. but as we have been saying, it is going
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to be the next 11 months which the focus will be on the near future relationship. the deadline is the december this yearfor a relationship. the deadline is the december this year for a deadline to be agreed for the shape of future trade relationships. thank you for your company today. if you want any more detail, there is plenty of information online and newsroom live is coming up next. everyone on the programme sends you their best wishes for however you mark brexit day. i think the megaphone is out. we have all been done.
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maximum temperature is about 12 to 14 degrees but maybe 15 celsius in the north—east of wales. and around the north—east of wales. and around the vale of york. temperature is above the average for the time of year. there will be further showers coming into scotland and more significant rain into saturday. varying amounts of cloud, temperature staying way above freezing. six to 8010 degrees rain in the north and relatively mild and turning chilly in scotland as we go into sunday and they will be outbreaks of rain moving north—eastward, goodbye.
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you‘re watching bbc newsroom live — it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: the department of health confirms two cases of coronavirus in the uk in two members of the same family. more than 80 britons on an evacuation flight from wuhan are due to arrive back in the uk at lunchtime. brexit countdown — in just a few hours‘ time the uk will be leaving the european union after 47 years. the prime minister will hold a cabinet meeting in sunderland — the first place to officially back brexit — and will release a video saying brexit is "not an end but a beginning." i‘m annita mcveigh live at downing street where the countdown to brexit begins. this evening a clock will be projected onto the walls behind me to mark the countdown to the uk leaving the

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