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why don't you start us, did you get thejob done why don't you start us, did you get the job done commemorative t—shirt? thejob is not done. we know know what the job is at least part of it, there's this whole long year that will go by very quickly when we see whether the uk can do a tiny trade deal with the eu and then there's the whole business of putting the stuff to work, setting up regular toddy agencies, getting models to what can that will take years. from oui’ what can that will take years. from our point of view we don't want the job is. hubert and parliament square last night, triumphed from those who wa nt last night, triumphed from those who want have to get over the line, quite low—key from the prime minister, no speech outside downing
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street. it was interesting being there, i was covering it for what, popped there, i was covering it for what, poppedin there, i was covering it for what, popped in to downing street and parliament square and that was a good vibe, it is very easy sometimes watching coverage to focus on the negatives and complications and negotiations going wrong because thatis negotiations going wrong because that is where the news lies but in reality i saw many thousands of people who presumably represent many millions of people around the country who are actually externally happy last night and in a celebratory mood but to downing street bodice johnson like mike borisjohnson was locked street bodice johnson like mike boris johnson was locked away, it lives life to nigel farage to give the raging speech to mark a rousing speech and she listed on facebook but the bbc did not run any of it. sky runa but the bbc did not run any of it. sky run a section, it shows a change in how the prime that is trying to speak to the nation. going to the
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european reaction, there was not a mood of good riddance that i could detect, it was a sad and contemplative mood. you cannot change anything about it, it is an unfortunate moment in history for britain to be leaving because the eu is developing any direction but it's always wanted to be, a more intergovernmental relationship, greater freedom for individual states, not a superpower federal any more so states, not a superpower federal any more so why leave at this moment. we have to do without britain and when you ask what is the neuro for the uk it will be a question for the eu, what is your neuro without an important memberlike what is your neuro without an important member like britain so we are in an uncertain state again, what else is new. when borisjohnson talks about global britain, and the
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global market that is employed the up global market that is employed the up to the help, it is hard to define the neuro. now that brexit is done, as it is something that is understood on your part of the world. thank god it is finished, a site of relief, no more talking about brexit but i believe when britain was within the eu it was more influential. i believe no it is ambiguous for them, maybe they will regain sovereignty when they go out of the eu but with that they will keep it when they sign this treaty america. many people as saying
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britain could be a satellite state of the united states because it will lose partly or completely it's someone lose partly or completely it's someone position. other people are saying britain lost its empire, no it is losing you look, i do not know whether this will be accurate or not so whether this will be accurate or not soi whether this will be accurate or not so i believe it is a very ambiguous state we are going to, i have seen any celebration of commemoration, it isa any celebration of commemoration, it is a historic day but we cannot see that,. jonathan was there and did see some celebration, and parliament square. not millions or hundreds of thousands. there was an emphatic general election, that was eight and emphatic statement. and it gave
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borisjohnson a big parliamentary majority which gives him the power to pursue a vision so how can he put to pursue a vision so how can he put to rest the rather public discussion over fears we have just heard until the uk and the world that this is a nation with a renewal. effie economy is all right he will be all right. that is not a completely independent question from the thing you just raised because the economy could be affected enormously by trade deals but it is even more heavy positions britain, by that he looks like america's poodle, he has said on the cars which we are not by signing the deal with huawei, american diplomats seen how very fed up they were so
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she said will not sign up to anything america wants just she said will not sign up to anything america wantsjust because we want a trade deal. with the eu has this tight timetable of 11 months and the trickiest deadlines from wycombe in june months and the trickiest deadlines from wycombe injune when a deal on financial services and fish are supposed to be done and decides whether he wants an extension to the transition period. he said no, ed must end in december, a trade deal asa must end in december, a trade deal as a bonus not a goal but these next four months will fly by and i think you will prom we have to compromise oi'i you will prom we have to compromise on fish and on to get financial services. there were once about the friendship of the water but they need the uk to be fairly successful because they need to trade with us but they do not want to be such a big success and puts the idea of exit back in other european minds.
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the experiment that britain is watching itself into, i was remain by nature but i have no accepted brexit must happen because the proof and brexit lies and leaving, you have to see for all concerned whether it is be a success or not. if it is a success that will put thoughts into peoples mind in europe, that is a life outside the club, it is not like hotel california when you can check it but you can never leave, you california when you can check it but you can never leave, you can california when you can check it but you can never leave, you can leave and that is the good thing, the eu must not be seen to be a club from which you cannot leave. it is a democratic institution which allows you to leave if you want and that it isa you to leave if you want and that it is a success well some countries in the eu and the not totally committed to it, poland and hungary, altogether the eu is in flux and very much rests on the question of how well it all pan out. we do not
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know, it is uncertainty. but we are desperate to hoping it will not become too successful in order to give people an idea and you'd up that other countries might follow suit and copy the british example so between a rock and a hard place, yes we wa nt between a rock and a hard place, yes we want britain all the best but we cannot afford for this experiment to end up so successful as to create uncertainty with the eu as a life beyond so it is desperately important. success and the eye of the beholder because we saw the prime minister go to sunderland to make a point about the levelling lp said he wants to do, how can he achieve that? he has a tough task notjust in relation to brexit, he is relying on the huge majority vote of confidence but he also needs to
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hang onto the seats which are new to his party and i think the sunderland stunt and there will be plenty like it are on one hand unfortunate particle posturing but also utterly essential and it remains to be seen whether he will carry them through. well he make a success of brexit and in parts of the country outside london especially in the north and if you can deliver and brand them as conservative successes then he may hang on those votes but every prime minister has the best of intentions, we had what theresa may said, she did not any of it so whether boris johnson will be more fortunate remains to be seen and it is down to luck as much as his abilities. remains to be seen and it is down to luck as much as his abilitiesm remains to be seen and it is down to luck as much as his abilities. it is also down to what you do and she was not ina also down to what you do and she was not in a position to do anything, he does have this majority, there has beena does have this majority, there has been a decision that it matters a bit less to ramp up borrowing to
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spread it on infrastructure and a river of money is headed towards the north and midlands, whether it gets any return on that as a different subject. 0k sunderland, the base of brexit, the first city which supported it is good but i believe he should go to scotland for example because the european flag still flying there and he should go to northern ireland because those people voted against brexit. i think he should change his priorities, as he should change his priorities, as he going to unify the whole of britain? is he going to be not the last prime minister who actually ruling the whole united kingdom are pa rt ruling the whole united kingdom are part of it. this is the biggest question which should be asked, about the american trade deal and not believe it will come free. we are how donald trump deals with friends and allies in canada, dealing with the eu, imposing
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sanctions so we should not be that optimistic. i believe it could be extremely difficult to sign this deal but it can also help to sign the same deal with europe, et al. suffered because britain is the second—biggest in europe. it is very ambiguous pleaded. on that this united kingdom point, we saw union flags flying at 11pm last night, but also saw nicola sturgeon pledging to end the union, how can borisjohnson head that off? he can for the moment try and store the scottish question and she will try to ramp up the pressure, very organised and noisy, scottish parliament elections next year and scottish parliament elections next yearand a third scottish parliament elections next year and a third party the snp are successful she is really going to try and put up the pressure but
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constitutionally he can try and ignore it. medium or difficult problem is northern ireland but his deal has really aggravated even those who describe themselves as unionists, pressure for the feed unification is taking up, that is a harder pressure to contain. we're talking about the real issue which is the agenda which has been hugely neglected and the warfare of an brexit, nhs and housing and social ca re brexit, nhs and housing and social care for the elderly, the centrifugal forces that work against the unity of the kingdom and before you want to be a global power, make sure you have domestic power and you can deal with these problems and really remove the rather rotten state you find in many areas. we believe the prime is that without a
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return when we have something to witness. president trump called it the deal of the century. but he unveiled it alongside a smiling israeli prime minister and without any palestinians present. his deal would give israel undivided control ofjerusalem, all existing settlements on the west bank and an effective veto over the creation of a palestinian state. in exchange palestinians would get a patchwork of territory, a freeze on future israeli settlements and an economic injection. israeli palestinian peace initiatives are thin on the ground and the trump plan has been two years in the making but the palestinian authority immediately said it was destined for the dustbin of history. barry, you grew up and the gaza strip, you are palestinian, was it wise to reject this out of hand? yes, because there is nothing left to the palestinian, we are not
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invited to the celebration in the white house. when trump gave them jerusalem, when he said that as no right of return, when he gave netanyahu right of return, when he gave neta nyahu the annexation right of return, when he gave netanyahu the annexation of all the settle m e nts netanyahu the annexation of all the settlements of 500 settlements in the west bank, more than 30% of territories, when he actually take that whole of what resources, no palestinian actually bond with jordan so no oslo agreement even so why they can't say yes to this, i believe she gave netanyahu a lot of political gifts anti—gave alain as the biggest gift. alain is waiting for this, they will mobilise the arab world against this deal. this is the problem. he buried the two
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states solution and international law, un security council resolutions which were very fair to both sides. you will come to that and a moment but first you have seen and washington us efforts to bring these parties together, was it in your view to watch president trump with netanyahu view to watch president trump with neta nyahu and view to watch president trump with netanyahu and odd way of going about this deal. it certainly was, i was there in 1978 and you had all the leading participants, egypt and israel and jimmy carter altogether trying some kind of solution but to the exclusion of the settlement issue, it was not dealt with satisfactorily over time this piece progress will not go anywhere, it will not solve anything because that
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is the central issue but at least you have the visible presence of the main players and trump because my commission of palestinian and a present of this is very difficult to have a present of this is very difficult to have it posted in present of because a president abbas has cut off diplomatic relations but trump could have tried to get some sort of cooperation and i wonder what he gets this courage from to think such a deal has a chance in hell to fly when brazenly it cuts out the party which he thinks will benefit which is palestinians. it is not true the benefit and since 1978 we have been going in circles and i am more saddened about the issue of the middle east than i am about europe and britain because it seems to bea europe and britain because it seems to be a little inside an enigma wrapped in a mystery as chuck show
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famously said, there is no visible solution to be had. there are interesting bits of the conversation, perhaps what is much to fascinating is that there are not any palestinians there because that wa nt any palestinians there because that want to be there because president abbas said he did not answer trump's call and unintentionally it was symbolic of what has happened over the decadess, palestinians have rejected every deal put to them, clinton on oslo, often deciding to launch catastrophic modulus suicide bombing attempts and i think they have showed that because that is because the projection best president like him or lump does things differently and i think perhaps what he is trying to do and of course are pleased many n as real as to shift the story of... do you
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think it was evenhanded and design or announcement unveiling? not at all, what it was trying to do as over the years and has been very un—evenhanded the other way round, eight years of barack obama pushing freezes and four concessions from as real and territorial concessions did not get anyone towards peace and i think what the attempt year was was to see instead of seeing that you can gain and bank gains from as real wild say no to every other plan, perhaps it is time to make a deal by saying if you say no to this and you have for years to think about this, not brief, if you say no you are going to start losing things. this isa going to start losing things. this is a different method of negotiation, very high risk, that is donald trump all over but there is some validity in saying this is a new attempt to try and see whether
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palestinian rejection is which often results in more violence, whether this will actually push things the right way and some of the other things trump has done for example recognition of jerusalem as things trump has done for example recognition ofjerusalem as the capital of israel was said to be things that would kick off an enormous wave of violence in the area, they did not and this has had quite some support from quite a lot of arab states, not all, the arrow and depended countries of each other but to have gained that much support from countries around the world and promised various things to palestinians than not everything they wanted but 50 billion and investment... quite a lot of points of view. this is not a negotiation, this is trump imposing something thatis this is trump imposing something that is in every respect what
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netanyahu that is in every respect what neta nyahu wanted, it that is in every respect what netanyahu wanted, it gives nothing to the palestinians whatsoever. i am very struck by how past negotiators have come out and said the shows co nte m pt have come out and said the shows contempt for palestinian aspirations and humanity, past american negotiators saying this could back fire on israel but it is absolutely clear is the end of the two state solution which has represented decades of world effort as well as american effort and i think to portray it as simply part of a narrative of palestinian protectionism is exactly what israel would like this to be but it is something that palestinians simply would have to reject because it does not give them a country. and yet what can palestinians now do and where is the leadership to do it? first trump has no right to compose solutions on the palestinian, he has no right to give the israeli 30% of
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the west bank, no right to kill the two state solution and an irrational legality, it is not american territory to give it to the israelis, . .. understanding that territory to give it to the israelis,... understanding that you think this is an amateur to the peace plan and has no future,, what can palestinians do? —— mrs an illegitimate peace plan. the accepted all united nations resolutions, the signed the oslo agreement on the white house and the american administration and they had been talking to the israeli negotiating for 26 years. the outcome is more than 800 jewish settlers were actually settled on the west bank. israel said clearly they passed a national law as real
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asa they passed a national law as real as a jewish state so other muslims are has no right to be in this territory so what shall we negotiate at? what is left? that is my question to you, what will you do? why the palestinian accept the international legality because the we st international legality because the west american came stop the arms struggle and listen to your enemy, talk to them and reach a settlement and we will help you. the palestinian believe that and they stopped their stance struggle, announced terrorism and signed the oslo agreement and gave the israelis into percent of historic palestine. i believe they will go back to violence are some of the palestinian wouldn't actually submit to this
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imposing solution on them, does not give them a state of recognise international legality. this will create more problems and in the region, they were about to instability and violence because they lost faith on international legality. we are running out of time. is there an opportunity for some palestinians to look ahead to the outcome of the us residential election i think it be a different policy and the white house was the might buti policy and the white house was the might but i would not put weight on that. trump has a good chance of being elected. the question of what they can do is an interesting one, they can do is an interesting one, they can do is an interesting one, they can argue that this is one state, give us the vote within israel, they have very few allies butjordan has israel, they have very few allies but jordan has come israel, they have very few allies butjordan has come out very strongly and jordan is important for any kind of israeli peace going forward. then the can argue with countries like europe saying this is
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playing into a narrative, the reason many arab countries tacitly supported this, very quiet in any objection as they are accepting america's notion that iran is the big enemy in the region as a beginning to line up on that and the dialogue with europeans about whether that really is the best way ahead for the middle east open to them, not in what they can do. they could also wait for deals which would be the end of trump's second term and they could hope for a new president more amenable to their ideas. but they will have lost a third of the jordan valley in the meantime. much more immediate than 40 meantime. much more immediate than a0 yea rs meantime. much more immediate than a0 years is informix there's another is really election, talk of formalising the annexation. netanyahu did say that and that was quite shocking to happen so immediately, that is not being voted on as might have happened. the date
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the americans will not let him do that, the americans said but what the palestinians could do is start negotiating and i think trump and jared kushner medically of that is meant to be an opening part of conversation. about what? we are going to have to leave it, i am sorry. that's it for dateline london for this week — we're back next week at the same time. goodbye. hello. i think many of you'll find it turned increasingly windy as we go through the rest of today with gales in places. rain, which has started the day in scotland and northern ireland erratically pushed its way into much of northern england's north and west, where it does allow a bit
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more sunshine to develop in scotland, northern ireland later and a fair bit of sunshine to come through the midlands, east anglia and the south after the morning cloud and just one or two showers. but even here, the winds will be picking up, 50mph gusts not out the question. and the winds go more northerly across parts of scotland later on, which will introduce a drop in temperature through the afternoon compared to how we start the day. staying on the mild side with temperatures in double figures, particular for england and wales. that's the case in cardiff for the opener in the six nations between wales and italy. we will see a fair bit of sunshine after the morning cloud but quite a blustery day and it will be blustery too in dublin for ireland against scotland. that wind could bring a few showers close to the city, but overall, mostly dry. now, as you go into this evening, wales, northern england, the midlands, prone to some showers in particular, one or two maybe towards east anglia as well, but they will fade away for a time. clearer skies, temperatures taking a of a plummet taking a bit of a plummet across the northern half the country
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with a touch of frost. but temperatures rising further south as we see cloud, wind and rain spread its way northward through england, wales and northern ireland and eventually into southwest scotland as we start sunday morning. north of scotland to go with the frost, dry start here and some will stay dry all day long. but rain will spread northwards across scotland, turning for a time to sleet and snow over the hills. the persistent rain clears northern ireland, north and eastern england at first light and then we'll see some showers pack in, some of those heavy and thundery. a bit of sunshine in between, more in the way of dry weather further south with perhaps just some wet weather spreading through the channel islands. but it's in the south with sunshine we could see highs of ia compared to just five or six in the drier slot in northern scotland. and whilst you may not want to be thinking about the return to work on monday quite yet, i'll draw your attention to this area of low pressure, sunday night into monday between us and ireland. there will be some rain wrapped around that so top and tail of the country will see outbreaks of rain through the day, something a little bit drier with just a few showers through central areas and a bit of sunshine. but as that low pressure system pushes its way in through the afternoon into the evening rush hour,
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