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tv   The Papers  BBC News  February 2, 2020 10:30pm-11:01pm GMT

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the best of the weather, i suspect, parts of central wales, the midlands, lincolnshire, east anglia. here some sunshine on the way. a breezy day, but pleasant enough. 9 in birmingham and the possibility of a little light rain, flirting with the channel coast. let's pick up on the winds across scotland. the thinking is it could be gusting up to around 80 mph in the western isles. pretty strong. lots of wintry showers. lots of showers feeding in further south, too. into the early hours of tuesday, the stronger winds will transfer towards more eastern parts of scotland and look at that, we will probably see blizzards across the hills as well. grampian down into the southern uplands as well. early on tuesday, the low pressure moves out into the north sea, but it has a sting in its tail. that means strong winds blowing along the north sea coast into east anglia. here, too, gale force winds expected from newcastle all the way down to hull, and norwich, pretty windy in london as well. these are the average winds but you can easily double them to get the stronger winds.
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much lighter winds towards the west. temperatures on tuesday around about 9 degrees. plenty of sunshine around, tuesday looking relatively quiet, at least later on. here's a summary. a very windy start to the week, with showers and hill snow, and a drier, quieter midweek. hello. this is bbc news with lukwesa burak. we'll be taking a look at tomorrow mornings papers in a moment. first, the headlines. sudesh amman is named as the man shot dead by police in south london, after he stabbed members of the public. he was released from prison around a week ago after serving a sentence for terror offences.
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three people are hurt, with one man in a life—threatening condition after the attack, which police say they believe is terror—related. how many shots did you hear? like three. three shots. and what happened then? what did you do? ijust ran. ijust ran for my life. how frightening was that? very frightening, and i'm still shaking. in a statement, prime minister boris johnson said further plans for changing the system that deals with those convicted of terrorism offences would be announced tomorrow. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the journalist and broadcaster caroline frost and the parliamentary journalist
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tony grew. thank you both for coming in. some of tomorrow's front pages are already in, and there is one story dominating them all — the terrorist attack in south london. the daily telegraph has the headline, "a freed terrorist terrorist strikes again". that follows the news reported this evening. and it's the same on the guardian's front page, "terror attacker freed from jail and on the police watchlist." the daily express says, "knife jhahadi freed days earlier" alongside a picture of terrorist, sudesh amman. so let's start off with — i don't know what your reaction was, what was your reaction when the story broke initially? i felt slightly to how we here now about stories about
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school shootings in the states. their tragic and bad for everyone involved, but i'm starting to worry that it's all too frequent, it's another headline from the one we had from the end of november last year. so although this is terrible, it is more grist for the mill to people who think, as a cabinet will talk about tomorrow, that harsher, monitoring scrutiny and all the licensing, everything involved with making sure this doesn't happen again, i don't think this will have anyone feeling that this will push the needle more towards the oppressive version of that. so as we look to the front of the guardian, what are your thoughts? my initial thoughts are that this appears to be another lone wolf terrorist, i think that it's important to stress. i think it is important to stress that this country has come under much more significant terroristic attacks, with significa ntly more significant terroristic attacks, with significantly more loss of life. that is my first thought, that it doesn't appear to be part of some coordinated attack.
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it's not a cell. it's not a cell, and it's not difficult to see how specifically political it is in terms of its impact. i also think that policing and having someone under24 hour that policing and having someone under 24 hour surveillance cost a huge amount of money. and the police don't have a lot of money, and they've suffered severe cuts their austerity. though the premise are like to chat about how he'll get 20,000 please officers more, they've onlyjust started recruiting them. my fear is that the police services are under significant pressure. they have hundreds of these people that they have to try to keep an eye on, and they don't even have the resources to do it. my concern is that people will now start blaming the police and people start saying that if it happened under their surveillance back i that if it happened under their surveillance backl estimate that if it happened under their surveillance back i estimate to that if it happened under their surveillance backl estimate to make of the very same question myself. —— is the very same question myself.
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but you can't anticipate what everyone is going to do it every second of every time. my point of view is that the police acted incredibly quickly. and decisively under the protection of the public, and that debtor or they did their job. but i don't want a society where police are all armed, and i don't want an overreaction from people about these sorts of attacks. ijust feel like there needs to be more thought in government because there is no legal mechanism by which you can keep someone in prison indefinitely, for example. ithink the government needs to think a lot about and come up with some pretty clear and quick answers about what they're going to do, what legislation bill introduced to deal with this threat. but i also think overreaction helps no one. but you do get the political reactions— people were very quick to point out this happened only metres away from a now closed police station. so anyone who wants to attack the government has found a way forward. similarly the government, if they do
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wa nt to similarly the government, if they do want to introduce, we know that the home secretary has an agenda which is very much about stamping down on the rights if need be. so if anybody has gotten agenda — we will see this in the stories in the coming days, will be cherry picking bits of the stories to serve their own needs. but i think a lot of this needs to go into the de—radicalization. but i think a lot of this needs to go into the de-radicalization. but do we even know how to do that? this is the problem, it is such a particular skill. we need to get these people up to speed with how on earth you begin to de—radicalize someone. earth you begin to de—radicalize someone. that brings me to another area where significant funding cuts have occurred, which is in the prison surface. there are in crisis, you can't manage these people, much less get them into de—radicalization programmes. i'm not in any way trying to pretend there are any easy answers here. but yes, there's a specific problem with a specific community in this country, a tiny,
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tiny, tiny proportion of whom have become radicalised. this is the second tragic attack we've seen in three months. but there is no easy solution to this. let's turn to the express , solution to this. let's turn to the express, because it's the same story. tony, you've touched on this idea it is a lone wolf, a single cell. that really describes the nature of today's domestic terrorism. it's not so much the large serial attacks, it's the lower scale ones that are actually succeeding. where do you start? when you hear what his initial sentence was for, he had been consulting and training with emmanuel, and all these things are available. it taps into people who do feel it disenfranchised from society anyway, there is a social vacuum and we've seen there is a social vacuum and we've seen it in places across the world. into these vacuums, social media find its way through. so there are many problems, and it culminates in something like this. it's like about
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the castle, if you sit on one area that bounces up somewhere else. this chap thought he found his way forward , chap thought he found his way forward, a solitary crusade, and he must‘ve felt extremely empowered for at least the earlier part of this afternoon, which is tragic. but let's be honest about it, if someone had randomly walked down the high street and stabbed one person critically injuring them, less seriously injured someone else, it would be on the front pages. this is the fact that it is an islamic attack. we don't even know what this guy's motives are, we have no idea — the papers are pushing very clearly in the direction of what his motives are, but we don't actually know that. and you're right, social media plays a huge part in this. youtube has all their training manuals available, which they are now very vocal about, but people are still getting their materials. vocal about, but people are still getting their materialslj vocal about, but people are still getting their materials. i find interesting because if i put my video down on youtube, it gets taken
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down in seconds. yet it is taken months and years for us to take theseissues months and years for us to take these issues seriously. let's turn to the front page of the telegraph, andi to the front page of the telegraph, and i need to double check on the photograph. we have blocked that out, that was the body lying on the pavement there. three terrorist strikes again, so what is your take on this? they somehow strangely decided to publish a photo of someone's corpse. newspapers don't tend to do that in this country, and i have no idea why they've done that. it was supposed to be a respectable newspaper, so i genuinely have no idea why they thought this was appropriate. i don't think it particularly helps to see someone's dead body in the street. but it is basically the same stuff, he was under surveillance, the police did theirjob quickly, he could have been worse. had he not been under surveillance. but i come back to the idea that keeping people under surveillance costs and absolute fortune. the sisters that
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we re absolute fortune. the sisters that were required in northern ireland during the decades of terror and outrage —— during the decades of terror and outrage “ resources, during the decades of terror and outrage —— resources, the amount of money required notjust in terms of physical soldiers, but in terms of intelligence and intelligence gathering, was significant. sol hope the government will announce some new measures tomorrow, but i also know they won't be under the impression they can do this on the cheap. talking about money before i turned to caroline, i think it was a week ago that the home office launched their take on this saying that funding for terrorism police is to be increased by £90 million from 2020-21. to be increased by £90 million from 2020—21. more support for victims, and a major overhaul of prisons and probation. that's lots of money downstream. that's throwing a lot of money at the problem, but as you said, this all starts upstream. this problem started before this young
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man went to prison the first time. whatever caused him to reach for that al-qaeda magazine that he was sharing in whatsapp groups that sent him to prison initially, we wouldn't be here today if we had democrat address that. it's about prevention, £90 million is a finger in the dyke for what's dealing with crises, as opposed to the prevention training and de—radicalization. but even de—radicalization is a very active activity compared to just a slightly more gentle tweak of the teller earlier on. it's one of the skills of our colleagues to ask questions about when? tomorrow, the next day, next year? when will it be introduced, how will it be deployed? there 43 police —— different police forces in england and wales, how many of them will be distributed? one of the things that really struck
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me about the attack at the ariana grande concert, horrifying attack mostly hitting young people and others — that was a classic example of someone thinking they will attack someplace that is not protected like london. one of the things that concerns me is that if we have any more of these attacks, they might happen in police areas where the police don't even have the resources of the metropolitan police. they don't have sophisticated anti—terrorism units operating. london is very lucky that has that. you won't get a 22nd response, no. staying with the daily telegraph, it says the uk won't accept eu rules as the price of a trade deal.|j says the uk won't accept eu rules as the price of a trade deal. i don't wa nt the price of a trade deal. i don't want to talk about brexit. i don't wa nt want to talk about brexit. i don't want talk about brexit. but we will talk about their future relationship
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someone. talk about their future relationship someone. someone asked me, how long do you think it'll be until they start leaving the eu for britain's future? tuesday or wednesday? a p pa re ntly future? tuesday or wednesday? apparently not, it's literally — we are still hearing the echoes of the single solitary pong that came from downing street, and here we are with dominic raab blaming the eu for not playing the game. i've said this the last few years, this is expecting a divorced wife, and abandoned, wronged wife to still invite us around for sunday roast. it's not going to happen. that was a little simplistic. can i take you to the financial times? i can talk about it, ijust want to say that this is a negotiation, so obviously both sides are going to have their hackles up. but i do think significantly, we are no longer a member state, significantly, we are no longer a memberstate, and significantly, we are no longer a member state, and that significantly changes our relationship with the eu and the fact that there are 27 other
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countries, france is very keen on fish, they all have their different priorities, ireland is keen to ensure there is no problems with the irish border. i have a feeling we'll hear lots about fish the next year. i think he will become the fish minister. he also said he would disappear. let's get to the front page of the financial times, beijing deploys emergency cash to shield markets from fires fall out. it is hitting countries economically? absolutely, china is basically on lockdown. evenif even if it was just an wuhan it would have had a significant dent to the chinese economy. the fact that has reached this level of crisis in china, notjust in this country, i think it was 137 billion us dollars. that isjust the think it was 137 billion us dollars. that is just the additional amount. we are into the second week and already markets are affected all over the world. we are seeing this
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mobility. we have had plagues and crises before like ebola, but even in the two years since then, there has been this increased influence by the chinese on other markets and particularly neighbouring countries. this will be the first. the fact that with calm equanimity, this is not even their biggest headline of the week, they have this cash to spread out, it is impressive. given the nature of the chinese economy, they will be able to influence interest rates and bringing new rules, lots of things they can do to the economy. china has taken a hit, notjust in terms of the economy. china has taken a hit, not just in terms of raw material, manufacture, but its international reputation. quite. there has been so much criticism coming from within. the latest is the way the government has handled this. the chinese are criticising government officials for taking medical equipment meant for nurses and doctors. this is quite
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rare, isn't it? and potentially extremely dangerous. i will not criticise the chinese state. no, you did see the awful footage in the first week of doctors working three days and nights without a break, crying with fatigue. that must be frightening to be over there at the moment. what you need is a strong framework of support. impressively there was talk of a hospital being built within a week. i think it is completed. they play to their strengths, which we will see in the coming weeks. the money is not even the headline, actually. has the virus bothered or worried either of you? i came back from india last week and the asian tradition is to wear masks and transit more than we do here. at first you think, that is paranoid to have that, they are worried about what they might catch, but it is the tradition of what gems they might be transmitting. i was quite impressed by the fact that
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everybody has that resource. it is a way of caring for each other and your community that we have yet to learn about. caroline and tony, thank you for this edition. we are back again at 11:30pm. i hope you canjoin us back again at 11:30pm. i hope you can join us for that. all the front pages are online. it's all there for you, seven days a week, at bbc.co.uk/papers and if you miss the programme any evening you can watch it later on the bbc iplayer. thank you, caroline and tony. for me, for now, that is it. i will see you at the top of the other. —— top of the hour. actually, i am back sooner top of the hour. actually, i am back sooner than that. let's go back to our top story. it's emerged that a man who stabbed two people in streatham in south london earlier today was released
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from prison in the past fortnight after serving time for terrorism offences. in the last 15 minutes, the metropolitan police has issued this statement. at approximately 2pm today, sunday 2nd february, two people were stabbed in streatham high road, lambeth. armed officers who were part of a proactive counterterrorism surveillance operation were following this suspect on foot and were in immediate attendance and shot the suspect dead at the scene. the suspect had been recently released from prison, where he had been serving a sentence for islamist related terrorism offences. the officers saw a device was strapped to his body and called in specialist explosive officers and armed officers to deal with the potential threat that posed. cordons were put in place and it was quickly established that this was a hoax device.
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initial first aid was provided to victims by our officers and london ambulance service continued their treatment once they were able to do so safely. three people were taken by ambulance to south london hospitals. one man in his 40s was initially considered to be in a life—threatening condition. however, we are thankful that following his treatment at hospital, this is no longer the case. one woman in her 50s had non—life—threatening injuries and has been discharged from hospital. and another woman in her 20s has minor injuries, believed to have been caused by glass following the discharge of the police firearm. she continues to receive treatment in hospital. my thoughts are clearly with the victims and their families. we are confident that this
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is an isolated incident that has been contained. officers from our counterterrorism command are investigating at pace. we are also liaising and cooperating with the independent office of police conduct as they conduct their necessary inquiries. the suspect has not yet been formally identified. however, given the circumstances of the incident, we are confident that he was sudesh amman, aged 20 years of age. streatham high road remains closed at this time and cordons are in place. we will reopen these as soon as we can. we would like to thank the numerous members of the public who assisted officers and ambulance staff this afternoon following what was a very difficult incident. i am also extremely proud of the bravery of our armed officers. public safety is obviously our top
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priority, and to reassure the public, we will be enhancing police patrols in the area. i would urge anyone that has information that could assist with the investigation to call police in confidence. thank you. earlier, my colleague ben brown spoke to eyewitness karker tahir, who told him what he'd seen. he isa he is a barber. i work in streatham high street and this afternoon, around 2pm, at a busy time, i see people panicking and screaming, and i see a young guy walking on the pathway and wearing some stuff and behind him some plainclothed officers with a gun are chasing him for a few yards and then they warn him
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to stop and they had to shoot him at least... i heard three bangs in front of the pharmacy. this was in front of boots? yes, boots, yes, that is correct. what did the man look like? was he carrying a knife at that stage, some sort of knife? i did not see a knife but i did see he had something on him. and he was a young male, early 20s, with long hair. but i did not see a knife. and what was the distance that they were chasing? it was one officer you believe that was chasing him? it was three officers. all officers were normal like me and you and you do not know they are officers. they pointed a gun and they were chasing him. it was for a good 30 yards from where i was standing, they were chasing him. so three plainclothes officers, not in uniform? no, i did not know they were officers. i thought maybe some whatever. but until they shot him, then they bring on... they were wearing their hat. they were pulling on police hats and they told us evacuate, the blast may go off.
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they told you to get out of the area? to evacuate and more police came on the scene, and even we see a sniper came to here because in the time they shot him, he was still alive on the floor. that is why they keep him on the ground. they say, don't move. and you think there were perhaps three shots fired. i heard three shots but i have seen police with a pistol chasing him. and were they shouting at him when they were chasing him? did you hear them shout anything? i heard shouts but you don't know what it is. there were like four people running. you don't know what is going on. so this was a gun so it made me wonder and then they shot him. you don't know. i just thought it was another day in london with a gunshot, but obviously it was police and then i now know there was a bomb on him as well. what was going through your mind when this was unfolding? were you frightened ? of course, i am still shocked. even now i don't believe it because a place like streatham, on a sunday, a busy time, i never thought that would happen, but people were screaming and panicking at that
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time, including me. i had to leave the area as soon as possible. and what were you doing when all of this unfolded? it was a normal day with my work. and i am shocked, actually, still. i don't know how to describe it. it was shocking. you work here on streatham high road ? yes, i work opposite where he had been shot and that is where i work and, yeah, i still don't believe it happened here. and other people, what was their reaction in the aftermath of all of this? there was a lot of people in the bus stop and you see, in the high street, that a lot of people were screaming and first of all, i see people were running from the direction he was coming and that is where i saw him. it is normal. literally that far. and how do you feel now, having witnessed all of this? ifeel like i am shocked, to be honest. i am still shaking, but now i feel ok. i don't know how to describe it. you know, shocking. but the police did act very decisively, very quickly.
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are you grateful for that because we know that three people, it is now confirmed, were stabbed? i didn't know, but the police were over there soon. it was a very quick response. they were all over, actually. and what about the ambulances? how quickly did they get to the scene? i have no idea because we had the police telling me and everyone behind me, move back, because if that go off, so we had to leave immediately. i didn't see anything. and they were telling you to move back because there might be some sort of bomb or some sort of suicide vest? there was an officer with a uniform that said he has a bomb on him, it may go off. so we had to leave the property as soon as possible. and that is what i saw. and now my car is there and i don't know what is happening down there. you have a business on the high road? i work there. i work as a barber. oh, you work as a barber, ok. it is a very busy day, sunday. and so all of this unfolded just a few yards from where you work? it was from here to that side.
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it was a normal day. i don't know how to feel about it. it is shocking. and so the first you heard was really when this... what alerted you to the situation? what was it, a noise that made you look out into the street? i saw this lady, she walk with a baby, running into the middle of the street and then i saw people and i said, what is that? and i saw this young guy, the one who got shot, he was coming in that direction and behind him, a normal person. i never thought he was police. three people, actually, with a pistol, telling him, wait, stop, and they had to shoot him. literally that far. and the lady that you saw, do you think that was one of the people who had been stabbed? i don't know but she was with a baby. a lady with a baby walking in that direction and that is where she was coming to, that street direction, and that guy was running straight to the boots direction. 0k. and what sort of community is it here in streatham? it is very diverse. harmony. everybody knows each other. it is a very nice community. but this thing, everybody here is surprised it happened here.
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and we don't know why. how it could possibly happen here. we don't know. some breaking news concerning the coronavirus. this is coming from local government officials within china. we understand that the death toll has now risen to 360, with 56 new fatalities being reported on the 2nd of february, today. more on this on bbc news, but first the weather. the weather is relatively quiet at the moment but many offers are in for some windy weather over the next 48 hours, particularly western scotland. stormy conditions, severe gales on the way. let's look at the big picture. this is the low
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pressure responsible for the impending gale force winds might, on top of that, for wintry showers mic across the high ground of scotland. overall, mild this morning, around 6-8d. overall, mild this morning, around 6—8d. you can see the showers across scotland. the best of the weather will be across central parts of the uk. merseyside, the midlands, some sunshine on monday but it may end up being cloudy and damp in the southern counties. into the afternoon and evening, the winds will ramp up across western scotland, possibly hitting gusts of 80 mph and easily 50—60 on take care. “— 80 mph and easily 50—60 on take care. —— 60 inland. take care.
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this is bbc news, i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines at 11. sudesh amman is named as the man shot dead by police in south london, after he stabbed members of the public on a busy highstreet. three people were injured. the officers saw that a device was strapped to his body and called in specialist explosive officers and armed officers to deal with the potential threat that posed. cordons were put in place, and it was quickly established that this was a hoax device. police believe it to be an islamist—related terrorist incident. it's emerged the attacker was released from prison around a week ago after serving a sentence for terror offences. this offender clearly had some history, some

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