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i'm katty kay. welcome to bbc news, live from the iowa caucuses. we are waiting for the first result to come in from the first contact in the democratic race to see who is going to be the candidate to try and unseat donald trump in november. and i'm mike embley in london, with the day's other stories: forced medical care — people held down to be sprayed with disinfectant. china takes extreme measures to tackle the spread of the coronavirus. a knife attack in london brings a promise from the government of fundamental changes to the way convicted terrorists are handled.
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welcome to this bbc special, reporting on the iowa caucuses. we are in des moines. we are waiting... still waiting. we we re waiting... still waiting. we were told about an hour and a half ago that the results were imminent but we're still waiting. we think there is some delay because of the democratic party is determined to make sure when they do release the result they are absolutely sure. we are told it is down to a control issue but it could also mean that the results are very close. they are american networks who have sent their big guns to cover this and for the evening bulletins they wa nted the evening bulletins they wanted the result so you are hearing the calm of crisis. in
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elections in the uk, we have recounts, it is paramount that it is accurate but you can imagine for the candidates, who wa nt to imagine for the candidates, who want to move on to new hampshire, which is the next race next week, they want the results out as quickly as possible. the democrats, it is an important moment to have their night. the state of the union address tomorrow, we have had impeachment, and this was supposed to be there night. the risk is that everything will be overta ken risk is that everything will be overtaken tomorrow by the state of the union address by donald trump. they would like the result to come in. and jon sopeljoins me now from bernie sanders' campaign rally. are they starting to get impatient? this is very bad for the democratic party that it is all taking so long. we have had all taking so long. we have had
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a statement from the iowa democratic party. the integrity of the result is paramount. we have experienced a delay in the result due to quality checks and the fact that the iowa democratic party is reporting on three data sets for the first time. 4% of districts have reported an early output is on pace with 2017. i saw the head of the democratic committee in charge of this and he was saying to me that he was confident or concerned about security and everything else had been met and that the system would be robust. looking a little less robust now. in the great swing of things, if we get the results in 15 minutes it does not matter so much but if it goes on and on, as he was saying, it was always very odd that the state of the union had been called for tomorrow night, which will wipe out a lot of the victory speech is when the democrats would
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have had their place in the sun. if all they get, is that they could not deliver the results, donald trump stands up from the biggest television audience, it has not worked out so audience, it has not worked out so well. it is a complicated syste m so well. it is a complicated system in iowa because they do not fill out ballot papers with crosses oi'i not fill out ballot papers with crosses on them and there is to alignment, and it can get quite complicated. three sets of results to coalesce as well. the problem is that the american networks are now feeling airspace with whether iowa it is a good system for picking a candidate. the idea of me turning out in my small community, where i have to declare how i am going to vote
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and there is someone a bit bullying who says to come with us. bullying who says to come with us. there is a lot to be said for the privacy of the polling booth. i think there are legitimate questions as well and iowa is not the most representative state of the union. it is 90% white. the requested wider than just the delay in tonight's result but iowa loves its first in the nation state is that it is also good for business. look at how many people are here, to be here for this moment, but it is not going according to plan although i suspect if betty —— bernie sanders has one, he will not be worried about a two—hour delay. you can see the live shot from the bernie sanders
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hq. it is not every cycle that you have an impeachment and a state of the union taking place the very same time as the iowa caucuses. back in 2008, by this time of night, 10pm in iowa, barack 0bama had already given his victory speech. that gives you some sense of how late it is. people of gone to bed without knowing the results. the democrats then missed the window to talk about the candidates before the state of the union. it is also going back over the results and if they are as close as perhaps this delay might suggest, you wonderfor all this delay might suggest, you wonder for all the this delay might suggest, you wonderfor all the money this delay might suggest, you wonder for all the money that has been spent here in iowa, is it really going to deliver the sort of headline use the democrats were hoping for. if you have three or four people stuck on the same result. 2016,
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if it is the same result, 2008 was the highest number, barack 0bama and hillary clinton. if it is up to 2016 numbers, it is not a high number. and nick bryantjoins me now from joe biden hq. he is expected to do well this evening. we are speculating that maybe the delay means that actually there is not much between these candidates. what does that mean going into new hampshire next week? if that is the case. if that is the case, and we do not get a clear—cut result, we are back where we we re result, we are back where we were at the start of the process. the story i have so far is it is all about process. the old conventional wisdom three hours ago was isn't this wonderful, this great iowa
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caucuses, the new conventional wisdom has taken over which there is, this system sucks. it has raised a question which is ask perennially, should iowa hosted the first contest? it is the fourth whitest state in america, it is not demographically representative. the argument is that iowa is very civic minded, they take this very seriously but the truth is, a relatively small numberof truth is, a relatively small number of people actually turn up number of people actually turn up to these caucuses in the first place so we're to be back where we are so often in the past, having a debate about the iowa caucuses. in 2000 tell, i am old enough to remember, we left our thinking that meant running had one. —— 2012. it only emerged later that nixon tory had actually won. —— nick
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santorum. and who remembers nick santorum? he does not a lwa ys nick santorum? he does not always get it right. what are they making of this atjoe biden‘s headquarters? what is the mood? they are confused and frustrated. barack the mood? they are confused and frustrated. ba rack 0bama the mood? they are confused and frustrated. barack 0bama had not only delivered his victory speech, he was halfway to new hampshire. going back to the form guide of iowa, the republican iowa caucus is a terrible guide. we have not had a president ted cruz, we have not had a president nick santorum. not had a president nick sa ntorum. but we not had a president nick santorum. but we did end up seeing a president barack 0bama, hillary clinton one four years ago, john kerry in 2000
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all and he won the nomination and every single immigrant who is one of the iowa caucuses census 2000 has gone on to win the democratic nomination. it does not always work. clinton did not win in 1992. jimmy carter, he made iowa his home and emerged as a surprise candidate. it is a pretty good form guide for the democrats but we might get a messy not clear—cut tonight but we simply do not know because we have not got any numbers. i have always wondered if we should not have the first contest in somewhere like florida, hawaii... so we can go and cover it! it is great, the engagement, the process , great, the engagement, the process, the amount of education, the fact that people ta ke education, the fact that people take it so seriously but on the
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first year they are reporting ha rd first year they are reporting hard data for all these processes , hard data for all these processes, they are thinking, have we got this right? some people ‘s social media saying have they had it right previously? and a convoluted system of going from a first preference to a second. tonight, in one caucus, it was so tonight, in one caucus, it was so close between amy klobuchar and pete buttigieg, they had to toss a point. chris buckler, who's at senator elizabeth warren's campaign rally. the atmosphere is a pretty good but they didn't expect to have something like a result. you can see behind me, the podium has been set up and they were expecting elizabeth warren would be speaking and celebrating hopefully. instead everybody is just wondering what has happened. these are all the people that have been
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out campaigning, those who are pushing for that candidate and they feel they have done the ha rd they feel they have done the hard work. they want the result and they have not got it yet. the atmosphere bizarrely is pretty good but there is a worry about what is happening and what the delay actually is. exactly what you guys were talking about, the fact that we do not have one vote, but the second when people who are not viable are put into other groups and then the number of delegates that will be pledged and it is that thing that potentially we could have three different campaigns all claiming victory once they see these figures but at the meantime theyjust these figures but at the meantime they just want these figures but at the meantime theyjust want to see those figures. you do really wonder what the value of those results are. the american public wants to know who has finished first, second and third. they made need to come
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up third. they made need to come up with a better formula. the fa ct up with a better formula. the fact that there is a great excitement for elizabeth warren? headquarters is indicative that the right free 01’ indicative that the right free orfor candidates very indicative that the right free or for candidates very much in the running. last night it was hillary clinton and bernie sanders but this dummy can be of five. it again leaves it open for each of these accounts to start to look at these figures and interpret them or some would say expend them, in a way that is good for them. i cannot help but feel that if this is as tight and that is pa rt of this is as tight and that is part of the reasons these figures are delayed that we're not going to get a number of candidates saying, actually this has turned out really well for me. you look at the crowd behind me and you talk to them and they are clear that at the caucuses they were at, they we re caucuses they were at, they were getting good feedback. but it is not exceptional numbers
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in these caucuses. i suppose though we should also be fair, ultimately this is quality checks, or await making sure the result are right, then perhaps the democratic party figures are going to say it is worth doing rather than sticking out figures that can be challenged at a later date. they want to get this process right but in the meantime all the candidates and campaigners are standing about and becoming are standing about and becoming a little bit uneasy but at the same time, as i say, it is adding to the kind of effect of the night. we just don't know how long this night is going to go on. thank you very much for joining us. this turnout number which we do have, comparable to 2016, bernie sanders‘s wife, doctor sanders, an election
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where they have been high tenor, he has done well. everyone today, a lot of people predicting there would be possibly record turnout but there is not, it is at 2016 levels and that is significant. bernie sanders‘s and sent specifically that got out for new voters and if they have not turned out... you will get the results when they actually come through and all the other information is on the website. you can find everything that as it unfolds. for the moment, let's get some other news from around the world. mike embley is in london. stay with us on bbc news. still to come: the life and times of mad mike — the famous mercenary who's died at the age of 100. this is the moment that millions in iran had been waiting for.
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after his long years in exile, the first hesitant steps of ayatollah khomeini on iranian soil. south africa's white government has offered its black opponents concessions unparalleled in the history of apartheid. the ban on the african national congress is lifted immediately, and the anc leader, nelson mandela, is to be set free unconditionally. ..four, three, two, one... a countdown to a critical moment. the world's most powerful rocket ignited all 27 of its engines at once. and apart from its power, it's this recycling of the rocket, slashing the cost of a launch, that makes this a breakthrough in the business of space travel. two americans have become the first humans to walk in space without any lifeline to their spaceship. one of them called it a piece of cake. thousands of people have given the yachtswoman ellen macarthur a spectacular homecoming in the cornish port of falmouth after she smashed the world record for sailing solo around the world non—stop.
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this is bbc world news, the latest headlines: the race for the white house begins in earnest — as democratic candidates compete in iowa for the right to be their party's nominee. there are now over 20,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus world wide and 425 people have died from the illness — the vast majority in china. the authorities there are struggling with the scale of the outbreak despite a huge push to build new hospitals in record time. and we've heard in the last few hours that hong kong has reported its first death from the coronavirus which originated in the chinese city of wuhan. from hong kong, rupert wingfield hayes sent this report. in a wuhan virus ward, a group of nurses and patients are singing a famous patriotic anthem. "my motherland and i," they sing, "are never apart." the propaganda message is not difficult to understand. in china's state media, the focus is now on uniting
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the country to fight the virus. hundreds of military doctors and nurses have been arriving in wuhan to join the battle. "when our country is in difficulty," this female soldier says, "it is our duty to be on the front line." china's logistical capabilities are beyond dispute. which other country could complete a 1,000—bed hospital in less than two weeks? today, that is exactly what happened, as the first patients arrived. but there is an ugly side to this all—out fight against the virus. in this unverified footage, the man pinned on the ground was caught without a face mask. "spray him with disinfectant," the official shouts. in much of china, wearing a mask is now compulsory, despite doubts about their effectiveness. in this video, a whole family is being forcibly removed from their home to
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a waiting ambulance. lots of videos like these are being shared to foreign websites. they show police locking an old man suspected of having the virus in his home. "do you have enough rice?" the policeman says. "0k, we're chaining the door." here, the policemen are warning a resident who has posted something about the virus on social media. far "sharing any information about the virus is illegal," he tells her. scenes like those now can be found right across social media, and they are really fuelling the sense of anxiety and fear about the coronavirus that is spreading right around the world, but nowhere more so than here in hong kong. people here simply do not believe they are getting a realistic picture of what is happening in wuhan and central china, and that is why there is now a crescendo of demands that hong kong close its border with the mainland completely.
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hong kong's chief executive today ordered more border crossings closed, but said some must remain open. there were indeed more hong kong people crossing the border, almost on a daily basis, and then they have to come back. that was not good enough for these hospital workers, who have now voted to strike until the border is shut. fear is even more contagious than the virus. this is the centre of shanghai, china's biggest city and economic heart. when the bill comes in for all of this, it is going to be huge. rupert wingfield—hayes, bbc news, in hong kong. the uk government has promised fundamental changes to the way convicted terrorists are handled following sunday's knife attack in south london. sudesh amman was shot dead by police after he stabbed two people in streatham. he'd recently been freed from prison after serving half his sentence for terrorism offences. here's our special correspondent lucy manning. this unfortunately is not the first time.
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a high street, forensic teams, police investigating an attack, a former resident using his freedom to try and kill. yesterday, it was streatham. plainclothes officers, guns drawn, have shot a man after he steals a knife and starts stabbing others. they had sudesh amman under surveillance, so more officers quickly arrived, one on a motorbike. one of the armed officers approaches him as he lies on the ground, wearing a fake suicide vest. get back, they shout. a surveillance officer uses his armed colleagues for cover. they start to clear the street. people rushed to help the injured, blood on the pavement.
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you need to start moving backwards, very quickly, please. a man and a woman were stabbed. both are recovering. sudesh amman had only been released from prison ten days ago, automatically let out halfway through his three—year sentence for terrorism offences. he pledged allegiance to islamic state and had manuals about knife attacks. amman lived in this hostel around a mile from the attack. because he was under active counterterrorist surveillance, it seems the authorities thought he was possibly one of the most dangerous people in the country. so why was he living behind these gates, rather than behind bars? 0fficers searched the hostel, removing evidence. the police stopped this attack, but how will the politicians prevent it? new emergency laws. deradicalising people is a very, very difficult thing to do. itjust seems to be a psychological — there's a big psychological barrier. people find it hard to get back over.
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and that's why i stress the importance of a custodial option, and that's why i am — i have come to the end of my patience with the idea of automatic early release. they are let out of prison, but the public is not out of danger. let's get some of the day's other news. we do have some candidates speaking to supporters. let's go straight to amy klobuchar. the generals he commands and yes, the king of denmark. he even recently blamed justin trudeau for cutting him out of the canadian version of home alone two. who does that? let me tell you what i will do.
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when i am behind that desk, i will take responsibility instead of passing it on. i will reach across the aisle and work with americans in good faith, instead of picking fights, i will bring this country together. instead of pushing it apart. some of you may know that old story about franklin roosevelt and was a story about how after he died, they put his body on a train and it worked its way to washington dc and there was a story of a reporter who came upona story of a reporter who came upon a man who was crying on the side of those tracks and the side of those tracks and the man had his hat and he was sobbing and the reporter looked at him and said, sir, do you know president roosevelt? did you know him and the man says no, ididn't you know him and the man says no, i didn't know president roosevelt but he knew me. he knew me. and what we are missing so much right now in
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our country is that sense of empathy. we are missing that caring andi empathy. we are missing that caring and i promise you this. i will bring back that sacred trust between the american people and the president of the united states. if you are sick and tired of hearing how great the economy is when you don't feel it. when your paycheck is stretched to the breaking point month after month, i know you and i will fight for you. if you are sick of choosing between paying for day care for your kids in long—term care for your pa rents, long—term care for your parents, i know you and i will fight for you. if you are sick of being torn between feeling of being torn between feeling of generator and filling of description, i know you and i will fight for you. and if you
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area will fight for you. and if you are a democratic nominee who can make our tents bigger and our coalition wider and our coatta ils our coalition wider and our coattails longer,... our coalition wider and our coattails longer, . .. amy, our coalition wider and our coattails longer,... amy, amy, amy, amy, amy! amy, amy, amy! if you want that, i will know you and i will fight for you and if you are sick and tired of the extremes in our politics and the noise and the nonsense, you have a home with me. so please, join our campaign at amyklobuchar. com. please, join our campaign at amyklobuchar.com. join us because we are going to be here, it looks like, long time tonight and you will have plenty of time to join us at amyklobuchar. com.
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plenty of time to join us at amyklobuchar.com. so let's stay up, let's stay in a good spirit. we have been punching way beyond our weight. i know that despite our limited resources compared to some of those bigger bank accounts, we are way on the board so let's stay up, let's stay happy and let's head to new hampshire. thank you, iowa. chanting. senator amy klobuchar they're giving what sounded like a victory speech even though there are no results iowa caucus and to all of the
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other candidates come out because she got full network coverage here, every single network in the us covering her. it wasn't a victory speech, she didn't say she had won or lost because we simply don't have the results. we know the democratic party here in iowa is doing what they call quality control. they are about to speak to the candidates to explain what this delay is about but we still don't know why we don't have result here out of the iowa caucuses. by this time back in 2008, barack 0bama had given his victory speech and was the next campaign. i've never seen, this is my fifth iowa caucus, i've never seen is my fifth iowa caucus, i've never seen anything like this where the democratic party is having to say we need a recount. the question now is what does joe recount. the question now is what doesjoe biden, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren and
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pete buttigieg do. do they do like amy klobuchar? she has to think all the supporters in the room, they have been there for up room, they have been there for up to four hours and they will have to go to bed eventually. —— she has to thank. people have work tomorrow, there are ba bysitters have work tomorrow, there are babysitters to relieve. that's why she made the decision to come out and talk. they say she has outperformed expect patients, laying out some of the things she will do. we have no idea whether amy klobuchar will be the nominee but she sees the moment right now. but the story out of iowa tonight is this quirky, exceptional system. this complicated process and democratic voting and has in many ways a lot of affection in the country because it does inspire people to learn about their
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candidates, they get access to them, they are very well—informed, they are very committed but somehow it democratic party, in trying to release lots of different results, have done something that has caused this mess, really. and it's now the focus of attention of people saying, is iowa really worth it? can this caucus system and it's going to produce this muddied result, is it worth the 60 odd million dollars over the course of the last year. we are expecting some of the other candidates to speak. elizabeth warren's supporters are hoping she will come out and speak soon. she will come out and speak soon. this both amy klobuchar and elizabeth warren, they loan in today. they are on duty at the impeachment trial donald trump. they are to the candidates who had to
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