tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News February 12, 2020 10:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello, it's wedensday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, and we're live from new broadcasting house. why are so many patients with learning difficulties and autism still being held in secure units like this? this footage we've been shown by a parent of a patient locked behind this door, at a st andrew's facility, raises questions about the controversial practice of seclusion, where patients can be locked away for long hours. the equality and human rights commission is taking legal action against the government over the repeated failure to move these patients into appropriate accommodation, arguing that it breaches their human rights. also today: an a&e doctor working at worthing hospital in west sussex is among the eight people who have tested positive for coronavirus in the uk.
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experts say they think we're in the early phases of a global pandemic. the fact we've only reported eight cases in this country isjust because, again, our surveillance is focused on travellers. we think probably we're picking up maybe one in three cases coming into the country at the current time. and why are unis using gagging orders to stop students from speaking out about sexual assault, bullying and poor teaching? they essentially said, you make any more of a fuss or even cry — you're out. i was not supported at all. let us know if you're a student or ex—student who's subject to one of these non—disclosure agreements. email victoria@bbc.co.uk. obviously, you don't have to use your real name. hi, welcome to the programme.
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we're live until 11 this morning. at around 10:30, we're going to talk to lauryn goodman, who was told that she would never have children becasue she has endometriosis. herfirst baby is due in a couple of months. she revealed a few days ago that the dad is manchester city and england's kyle walker. the two are not together now, but she is going to talk about what how she found out she was pregnant and what she thinks of the prosepct of being a single mum. also today — we absolutely want to hear from you if you are a student or ex student who has signed an non—disclosure agreement at your university. what happened, why did you sign it and how do you feel about it now? obviously, you don't have to give us your name — but your experience is absolutely pertinent to this story today. use the hashtag victorialive. email victoria@bbc.co.uk, or text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate.
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first, annita has the news. good morning, victoria. good morning, everyone. a member of staff in the a&e department at worthing hospital has become the second healthcare worker in the uk to test positive for coronavirus. the department of health says that all services at the hospital are operating normally — all eight of those infected across the country are in quarantine. meanwhile, the number of people infected with the virus on a cruise ship quarantined injapan has risen to 174 — the highest number of cases outside of china. a human rights body is threatening the government with legal action for what it says is the "repeated failure" to place people with learning difficulties and autism in appropriate accommodation. the equality and human rights commission says nhs targets to move patients out of hospitals in england are being missed. the first was set eight years ago, after the bbc‘s panorama programme exposed abuse at winterbourne view hospital.
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and we'll have more on this story in the programme in the next few minutes. the media regulator ofcom is being given new powers to police the internet. the government is setting out plans to compel companies like facebook and youtube to protect users from illegal and harmful content. it's not yet known what penalties ofcom will be able to impose on those who fail to comply. universities are using "gagging" clauses to stop students from going public with complaints of sexual assault, bullying and poor teaching. students said they felt pressured to sign non—disclosure agreements and one was told she would be expelled if she broke her contract. nearly a third of universities have used ndas for student grievances since 2016, according to data obtained by bbc news. the archbishop of canterbury has said the church of england is "still deeply institutionally racist." the most reverend justin welby said at a meeting of the church's ruling body that he was "ashamed" of its history of racism. mr welby‘s words came as synod
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members backed a motion to apologise for racism in the church of england since the arrival of the windrush generation. in the united states, the new hampshire polls have closed with presidential candidate bernie sanders narrowly winning the vote. yesterday's primary also saw two more contenders pull out of the contest to determine who will stand against donald trump in november. there are still several states to go before the final candidate is chosen. a photograph of two mice fighting over a scrap of food at a london tube station, has won the people's vote at the wildlife photographer of the year awards. sam rowley‘s station squabble, was one of 25 shortlisted for the competition which will be displayed in an exhibition at the natural history museum. fantastic photograph! that is it for the moment, back to you, victoria. thank you very much. today, a legal challenge
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on an issue we've covered loads on this programme — people with learning disabilities and autism being involuntary detained in secure hospitals. the equality and human rights commission is taking legal action against the government over the repeated failure to move them into appropriate accommodation. here's a clip from one of our films on the subject, where noel phillips obtained footage from one dad — who'll we'll talk to in a minute — visiting his daughter bethany at one of these secure units. this footage we've been shown by the parent of a patient locked behind this door at a st andrew's facility raises questions about the controversial practice of seclusion, where patients can be locked away for long hours. the ehrc is issuing the legal challenge against the secretary of state for health and social care. they say the "systemic failure to protect the patients right to a private and family life, and the right to live free from inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" is a breach of the european convention of human rights.
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let's talk to rebecca hilsenrath, chief executive of the equality and human rights commission. jane haines, who's daughter ayla is being held in a secure unit. ayla's grandmother, judy haines. and jeremy, whose hand you saw in that clip. he managed to get his daughter, bethany, out of a secure unit he had concerns about. we're not using his surname to protect his daughter's privacy. welcome all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. again, in your case. rebecca, let's begin with you. you are the boss of the ehrc, why the legal challenge? we have just seen the clip and you have jane and jeremy here but there have been too many stories, too many reviews, too many stories, too many reviews, too many stories, too many reviews, too many episodes. units that panorama expose that the treating patients pretty horrifically? going way beyond neglect, harassment, bullying, physical abuse. there are
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more than 2000 people with learning disabilities or autism who are inpatient, inadequate long—term care, far away from their families. every one of them are a human being like you and me, with the same fundamental human rights, the same right to health care and loved by theirfamilies as right to health care and loved by their families as much as we are. the government has promised at least on two occasions that it would move patients into more appropriate accommodation. it keeps missing those targets. well this legal challenge suddenly mean they will do what they promised to do? we have seen what they promised to do? we have seen the reviews and there has been a gathering momentum of interest and concern about this. we considered this carefully before using one of our most significant legal enforcement powers. we want a declaration that this is a breach of human rights. we have asked the government to look immediately at reaching the targets they've missed and also at adopting a number of
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recommendations that have been made by thejoint recommendations that have been made by the joint committee on human rights and buy the rightful lives movement, this is about a change in policy and a change in law. above all, putting families at the heart of decision—making instead of making them a problem. it is the families across the country that have raised this problem, like jane and jeremy. the government statement says, we are committed to protecting the rights of everyone with a learning disability or autism. we are determined to reduce the number of people with these conditions in mental health hospitals. abuse against these patients is abhorrent and we take any allegations seriously. we received the pre—action letter from the ehrc today and will respond in due course. is that sufficient at this point? we wait to hear from them. we have asked them to take immediate action and also for a change in the law. what we're seeing at the moment isa law. what we're seeing at the moment is a default position where people seem is a default position where people seem to be put in inpatient long—term care, which is inappropriate, often a psychiatric a
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people don't have a mental health problem, there aren't safeguards and they stay there too long. we want to write to independent living, where public authorities have no requirement to provide community—based setting care or otherwise explain why it is not possible. but that requires the secretary of state to provide more community based care closer to home. of course, let me bring injeremy and judy and jane. jeremy, hello again. remind ouraudience and judy and jane. jeremy, hello again. remind our audience what your daughter was initially put into a secure unit. because she is autistic. she has... she suffers an enormous amount of anxiety. now, when that anxiety is controlled and supported, then it is not at all challenging the step she is not difficult. beth, when she was placed in one of these horrific units, could not cope with the environment of being on a ward with 20 people who were very distressed. that
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triggered the worst in beth's behaviour. the result was they locked bethany and kept her there for three years. you saw the clip earlier of me talking to her through a hatch. she was moved to a unit where there was no hatch. i would kneel down and talk to my daughter through the bottom of a door. it was degrading, humiliating, for of us.|j still can't get my head around why a woman with autism, which is not a mental health condition, but i know people get it mixed up, why a woman with autism needed to be in a secure unit, ina with autism needed to be in a secure unit, in a cell with a hatch, in sl without a hatch, i don't get it. she didn't ever need to be. why was she put there? she was put there because there is a lack of proper homes in there is a lack of proper homes in the community where they can be properly supported. the local
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authority said there was no other option but to place her in hospital. they love it, they were no longer paying the bill for her care, the nhs were doing so. let me bring in judy and jane. we have featured your daughter's case on our programme before, ayla. she has been in at least two separate secure units, how is she at the moment? no, she is an awful state. still on two observations, two members of staff with her at all times of the day. she recently had an operation, on monday, because she bit her arm rather severely. she had to be taken to hospital by ambulance because of blood loss. she had managed to do that come into herself, despite the fa ct that come into herself, despite the fact there were two members of staff a p pa re ntly fact there were two members of staff apparently monitoring her 2a—7? fact there were two members of staff apparently monitoring her 24—7?” think they got distracted by another issue, they are very busy, i don't hold the staff responsible. it is down to management. she doesn't like going to sleep at night because she has to wake up in the morning and
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realise she is still alive. like i say, she is biting chunks of flesh out of her arm. for me, that clarifies her state of mind. you describe it as incarceration, she has been incarcerated for eight yea rs has been incarcerated for eight years as you put it, why is she in there? yes, she went in on a volu nta ry there? yes, she went in on a voluntary basis because of anorexia and self injury. it should have been for respite but as soon as she went m, for respite but as soon as she went in, she wasjust in a holding unit. they allowed her to not eat. within sort of a month, she had deteriorated to such a point that she couldn't come home and had to be tube fed. then we had to agree to her being section so she could have specialist treatment. we thought she was being treated... we thought she had the wrong diagnosis, they wouldn't listen so they sent her away, she deteriorated. she then got sent to a low secure unit. the family was resented, they wouldn't listen to the family at all, they are did the opposite to what we suggest. lots of medication,
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punitive therapy, she deteriorated again. then went to a medium secure unit, 200 miles from home. you told us last year that she wanted to end her life, which is why she swallowed a toothbrush? that is right. still inside her? yes, they are not going to operate. they say the acids will dissolve the toothbrush in time. judy, how do you react to the fact there is now a legal challenge because the ehrc are saying that people like your granddaughter and like jeremy's daughter, bethany, their human rights are being breached? we have said this for a very long time, but if we complain, then we are seen very long time, but if we complain, then we are seen as very long time, but if we complain, then we are seen as interfering in then we are seen as interfering in the progression of ayla's treatment. we have been told that she was better, sent a long way from her family. so she doesn't get visitors
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very often. there are so many restrictions on telephone calls. are you allowed to speak to each other during the week? i have one call a week and jane has three. they are monitored. there has to be a senior memberof monitored. there has to be a senior member of staff there to take note of everything we've discussed. does ayla get comfort from those phone calls ? ayla get comfort from those phone calls? not at all. it's a good thing, she wants to talk to you. until they implemented the restrictions, we used to speak for maybe two or three hours a day and that was one of the things that helped her and it is well documented it helped her. why did they suddenly become restricted? they said it was interfering with her treatment, that she was choosing to speak to us instead of use the skills. we were also told it's because we interfere, so we are not allowed to talk about medication or staff, we are not allowed to give her hope and say we
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will get her back to wales. she is only allowed to phone when she is in a relatively good state. so we never get to speak to her when she is in her worst states. there is a statement here from the organisation which we are not naming. they said their statement. we fully support moving care closer to home and ensuring more people can live in the community with the right support, which is why we are reducing inpatient beds across hospitals that every person is different. we care for some of the most complex mental health patients in the country and the majority of our patients are in ca re the majority of our patients are in care because they pose a danger to themselves or others. for these vulnerable patients there is and will continue to be a need for a very specialist treatment and observation in a safe, secure setting. do you accept that your daughter has complex, challenging needs?” do you accept that your daughter has complex, challenging needs? i do but it is not as complex as they are making it out. they have used the same mode of treatment for eight yea rs. same mode of treatment for eight years. you would think they would try different approach. i don't agree with forced medication. she is
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ona agree with forced medication. she is on a phenomenal amount, antidepressants, anti—psychotics. .. they are the medical professionals. but like i say, you'd think eight yea rs but like i say, you'd think eight years on, they will tried different approach. i can see so many side effects from the medications. i keep saying, what positive they having and they can't give me an answer.|j just want to ask, judy, some people will be watching you and hearing what is happening to ayla and they will think, why can't you take her somewhere else? she is under section. we have no power or control at all. believe me, we've tried. is that right, when someone is sectioned, the power reverts to the trust or the health care professionals ? trust or the health care professionals? yes, we lose all power when they are sectioned. what they decide goes? is that mega yes. and ayla has no say in it, either. she is supposed to have rights. they are supposed to tell her side
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effects of medication but that does not happen. jeremy, i know that bethany is now in a different secure unit. is she happy? bethany is not. bethany was described by matt hancock as complex and vulnerable. bethany was in a medium secure unit before christmas. they were calling out for beth to be sent to a high secure out for beth to be sent to a high secure unit. four hours down the motorway, beth was taken to an environment that she had helped design. she had put her ideas in for the decorating. she is now with a team of staff in a home setting. those staff understand her needs. they understand her autism. beth does not get restrained, she doesn't have her clothes ripped off her by groups of men. beth goes out for a walk when she wants. i go up there, we take the family pets, we go for a walk by the river. that's what
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bethany needed, not locking away. none of these people need to be locked away, they just none of these people need to be locked away, theyjust need their condition... there autism to be supported. what is your message to the health secretary, matt hancock, if he was watching right now? the money is in the system to make these changes. you are paying extortionate amounts of money to keep people in these hospitals that do not work. you know that, you have read the reports. save that money, spend it in the community settings and buy yourself some humanity. thank you very much, jeremy. thank you for coming on the programme again, we appreciate it. jane and judy, thank you. we will continue to follow what happens to ayla and bethany and rebecca from the equality and human rights commission, thank you for coming on the programme. and our actionline website is bbc.co.uk/actionline — if you need help there are loads of organisations listed there who you can contact.
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if you have experience and want to get in touch with us, send me an e—mail. you are the experts. if you have lived through this experience orare have lived through this experience or are living through it now, your expertise and insight is gratefully received in this programme, as you know. coming up later in the programme... after lauryn goodman was told she would never have children because she has endometriosis, her first baby is due in a couple of months. we'll talk to her. universities are using gagging orders to prevent their own students going public about sexual assault, poor teaching and bullying. we'll bring you an exclusive report. this week, we've been bringing you the story of the deportation flight, which landed last night injamaica, with 17 jamaican—born criminals on board. the men, who have lived in the uk, some for most of their lives, have all spent time in prison for a variety of offences —
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including rape, murder and drugs offences. campaigners succeeded in getting around 25 other people off the flight, because they successfully argued in court that they hadn't been given access to mobile phones to speak to their lawyers. one of the detainees due to be on this flight was briefly held in brook house detention centre near gatwick airport. one of our team, callum tulley, used to be an officer at brook house for more than two years, before filming undercover to expose abuse in the centre for bbc panorama. callum, what's it like in a place like brook house before one of these big charter flights? the challenging thing about these chartered deportation flights is you have a number of detainees who don't wa nt to have a number of detainees who don't want to go and they are all being deported at the same time and some won't go quietly. so in brook house, the detention centre i worked in a
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few years ago, the atmosphere was very, very tense. it is hard to predict the lengths detainees will go to to try and evade their deportation. you know, i came across detainees who had self harmed, to such an extent that their medical condition would be so grave they would be unable to be deported. there might be hunger strikes. there might be dirty protests, which is where detainees cover themselves in their faeces. where detainees cover themselves in theirfaeces. on where detainees cover themselves in their faeces. on occasions, where detainees cover themselves in theirfaeces. on occasions, there we re theirfaeces. on occasions, there were times where detainees tried to ta ke were times where detainees tried to take their own lives. so a really difficult, tense, challenging environment for everybody. you have direct experience of what happened ifa direct experience of what happened if a detainee simply refused to go. officers are sent in in riot gear. what is it like to be one of those offices? at times, i had to be one offices? at times, i had to be one of those officers, in riot gear going into these detainees' cells.
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you would get a call, four officers would be allocated to one detainee refusing to be deported. you would go to the store cupboard and collect your riot kit, your helmet, kit, gloves, boot. you would get into your riot gear and wait around for hours sometimes whilst the managers we re hours sometimes whilst the managers were trying to convince the detainee to go quietly. if he refused, he would be taken to the cell late at night when the rest of the wing was knocked down. he would be given one last opportunity to go before you would go in there and you would remove him by force. it is very distressing for the detainee, is also very stressful for staff. tickly for detainees that have been in this country for as long as they can remember, you don't know what lengths they are going to go to to try and evade deportation. they are very, very desperate. so from the moment you pick up your riot gear to the moment you enter the detainee's cell, you are thinking, will this detainee harm himself? will he harm
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staff? has he still got access to his cattle? will he try and pour boiling hot water over the staff going into the cell? it's very stressful. i think we can see a short clip i filmed undercover in 2017 in brook house before we went into one of these cells. the men here orface being deported or removed by the home office. most don't know how long they will have to stay. right, that is serious stuff, clearly. what did staff, some of those we just saw there in the riot gear, what did they think about helping d port such people, all of whom have criminal convictions but whom have criminal convictions but who had been living in this country as long as they could remember? well, look... there was abuse and there was racism that came from some staff at brook house and that is one of the reasons i went undercover in brook house in the first place for panorama in 2017. but not everyone
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was apathetic towards the detainees, particular those who appeared to be just as british as you and me. we are talking about people who had beenin are talking about people who had been in this country for as long as they could remember, as you say, people who grew up here, were educated here, have families here, who had committed crimes here but had served their time here as well. there was this notion of the double punishment that i think really troubled staff and they found particularly difficult. there is just another thing i would say. that is... this chartered flight to jamaica has had a lot of media attention and that is because there has been a protest and condemnation from mps and so on. but these charter flights are going to nigeria, they are going to india, they are going to pakistan. this isn't the first chartered flight and it won't be the last. thank you very much. such insight. thank you. so the flight landed last night.
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what happens to the men now? drjaslin salmon runs the jamaican national organisation of deported migrants. he told our reporter, shamaan freeman—powell, what the men can expect on arrival in jamaica. when they arrive, they are met at the airport by an officer. they are then processed by the ministry of justice and once that process has taken place, justice and once that process has ta ken place, those justice and once that process has taken place, those who have relatives that they are to connect with will be transported by us to those relatives. those who don't have relatives, we will locate in one of the shelters that is prepared for that purpose. we have been told that some of these men left jamaica when they were children. so what can they face, what can they expect when they face, what can they expect when they come back to jamaica? well, it is difficult to say what they would expect. it would be like a person going to a place they have never known. that means that they have no
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friends, they have no connections, no social connections. they don't know where things are to be found. so there is a sense of disorientation in that initial period. ouraim is disorientation in that initial period. our aim is to help them to become re—orientated to this new location. we have heard a lot in the media recently that these people have nothing really to return to. they are being labelled serious and violent criminals that have committed serious crimes, from rape, murder and supplying class a drugs. i know there have been similar types of deportations in the past. what are these people is‘ fate when they come to jamaica? when they come to jamaica, say i am reluctant to make generalisations but a lot relies on the individual. individuals, many... those who i have encountered see themselves as trying to create a new life for themselves. they want to be on the right side of the law. they
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wa nt to on the right side of the law. they want to work. they want to develop relationships, and that's the general orientation. but individuals may have a different way of dealing with the situation. it is a difficult situation for them. whether they were gone for ten years or most of their life, it is a difficult situation. because they are coming in as outsiders and in any situation, outsiders are going to have a more difficult time coping. our organisation seeks to minimise the difficulties they have in coping with the realities of this and we find that people in general are very understanding of their return. that it is an involuntary return. that it is an involuntary return and therefore there will be difficulties in coping. but i think most of them are coping quite well. we're going to talk now chevon brown in jamaica.
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he was deported from the uk this time last year, after serving eight months of a 1k months prison sentence for dangerous driving and driving without insurance. he had lived in the uk for nine years before being told he had to leave. can you hear me ok? can you hear me 0k? yes i can. thank you for talking to us. you were sent back to jamaica last year, a country you had left when you were 1a. can you had left when you were 1a. can you just describe for us what happens when the plane touches down and you get off, then what? after you get off, you are transported to a bus and it will take you to a camp where they will process you in order to find out your information, whether you have any family connections in the country. if not, you are collected or you can stay at the camp, but the camp is open to public access. when you say camp, it
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isa public access. when you say camp, it is a campsite we would understand conventional tents and shower block and what have you? i didn't go there but they said the site they took us to process us is where you can stay. right, there is a newer deported was because of this dangerous driving conviction and driving without insurance. you served eight months ofa1li insurance. you served eight months of a 1k month jail sentence because of a 1k month jail sentence because of that. what was your initial reaction when you are told you had to leave your home, your family, your friends, because to leave your home, your family, yourfriends, because you had broken the law here? to be honest i didn't know how to process it because i've never been in this situation before. i was incarcerated and in my first week of going in! incarcerated and in my first week of going in i was interviewed by immigration, which i didn't actually know, so when they moved me to prison that was when i knew that my deportation was actually a real thing and that is when the stress started kicking in. sorry. 0k,
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thing and that is when the stress started kicking in. sorry. ok, i read the details of what you did when you were driving that car. you we re when you were driving that car. you were a learner driver without insurance, and when the police started to follow you as you drove through red lights, across front gardens, on the wrong side of the road before being arrested. you could have killed someone. road before being arrested. you could have killed someonelj road before being arrested. you could have killed someone. i am in now doubt that what i did wasn't anything good. it was wrong. i didn't kill anyone. it was late at night. there was hardly anyone on the road. i went through one red light. actually one red light. my actual chase was four minutes, 50 something seconds, they said in the report. i have seen worse cases than that that get no prison sentence. what is your life like one year on after being deported? my life is a complete mess right now. i don't know what i'm going to do, because i
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am labelled a murderer, drug trafficker and rapist, so when i walk around the streets people look at me because i look and speak different ad straightaway if i go anywhere and i ask for a job, my accent gives it away that i'm british, they ask if i've been deported, and it just leaves british, they ask if i've been deported, and itjust leaves so many questions. in my day to day. deported, and itjust leaves so many questions. in my day to daylj deported, and itjust leaves so many questions. in my day to day. i have a government statement. they put 17 people on that flight yesterday. 25 others were able to get off because of the last—minute legal challenge, and the quote, the offences include seven violent offences, two in the category of rape or sexual offences and 1a drugs offences, we make no apology for seeking to remove serious foreign national offenders. " do you think you are a serious foreign national offender? i'm not a serious vendor, not even a repeat
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offender. i got one crime, one sentence, and i haven't been in trouble ever since. so, when they use a drug dealer, murderer or trafficker as a way of describing my character it is completely wrong. it is like that is what they used to guarantee the order to deport me. are you desperate to come back?” guarantee the order to deport me. are you desperate to come back? i am because i'm not actually coping very well out here. i am not making no new friends or connections. everything is actually difficult. i have printed out cv and covering letters, going out to hotels and barber shops asking forjobs, and they will not employ me because half they will not employ me because half the time, when i tell them my name and what happened to me, some people feel sympathetic about what happened to me, and... thank you for talking
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to me, and... thank you for talking to us, chevon, thank you for talking to us, chevon, thank you for talking to us, chevon brown, talking to us from jamaica, he was deported this time last year after serving eight months of a 1k month prison sentence for dangerous driving and driving without insurance. he's 2a, he lived in the uk for nine years before being told he had to leave. model and influencer lauryn goodman was told she would never be able to have a baby. but, at a routine kidney scan, she was told she was five months pregnant. she's now revealed that the father is england and manchester city footballer, kyle walker, who she had a relationship with last summer. good morning and congratulations. you need to explain to the audience why you are told you couldn't have children. i suffer from
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endometriosis and polycystic ovaries, which actually does cause people to be infertile. it can cause you to be. you find your womb lining and other areas of your body and that sheds when you have your monthly cycle as well. for my condition i was told i would not be able to conceive naturally, i would have to go down the route of ivf. that was the plan. i've been suffering with really bad periods from the age of 15. when i say bad, people assume the odd cramp, take a couple of paracetamol is, but it is not that sort of pain. it's excruciating. it is the point of where you kind of want to vomit. you are in that much pain. i've been speaking to people on my instagram about it and they say people don't understand the pain, how painful it is, and when people describe it to theirfamily or is, and when people describe it to their family or partner they are getting brushed aside as if, you
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know, it is just your monthly period, get on with it. it's funny because i asked my mum the other day, i said to her, what did you think, when i was curled up in a ball, on the bathroom tiles, as a 15—year—old? i ball, on the bathroom tiles, as a 15—year—old ? i of ball, on the bathroom tiles, as a 15—year—old? i of italy used to leave two weeks and for the first week i could not get up, i could not go to school. —— i literally used it. she said i was full of rubbish. i was curled up i needed the cold tiles to relieve it, i needed a hot water bottle on my tummy because i wasn't so much pain and i said really? that you think i was making it up? and she said yes, because i have never felt period it up? and she said yes, because i have neverfelt period pain it up? and she said yes, because i have never felt period pain like how you described. for me, a period never hurt. i didn't understand that in my head because every single one i retired from the first one had been so painful. —— every single one
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i'd ever had. i kept going to the doctors. they would come back with irritable bowel syndrome or crohn's disease. i had never heard of that, ididn't disease. i had never heard of that, i didn't know what they meant by that but that was the intestines as well but i knew that it was my womb, because it was every time i was having my monthly period. so i said to them now, it's definitely not that, it is definitely my womb, and another thing i've been getting on my instagram, because i have been saying to people out there, i have managed to conceive naturally, so it can happen for you guys as well, stay positive. i've had lots of the stories coming where they say my specialist has told me to go for a scan but that is kind of upsetting for me. one of my sisters friends at her gender reveal party said, that i had been for a scan, and you cannot diagnose endometriosis by a scan.
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you can only diagnose it by a la pa rosco py, you can only diagnose it by a laparoscopy, a you can only diagnose it by a la pa roscopy, a keyhole you can only diagnose it by a laparoscopy, a keyhole operation going into your belly button and then down to the left or right, and they go in and they lays off and burn away all of the endometriosis. the problem is with that, endometriosis never goes away. it just only grows. you are only temporarily removing it. and the issue with that is, you can't keep going for operations because it then actually damages internally, so you can end up with organs that are sticking together, and that is a huge problem, then. then people end up huge problem, then. then people end up having hysterectomies which means they'll never be able to have children. there is lots of information out there for people who wa nt information out there for people who want the latest fax, info and treatment. let's go back to how you discover you are pregnant. you are
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five months pregnant and you had no idea. how is that possible because matter every woman is watching this who is pregnant is going, you must have known. there are cases when people haven't known and they are about to give birth. my belly was flat. i had literally like a six—pack in november. i didn't have any bloating. with endometriosis you get bloating but nothing that made me think, you are pregnant, you know? the strangest thing that happened to me coming up to my pregnancy, i'd had my laparoscopy operation and when i came around, he said to me, you know you're endometriosis has got far worst in the first time. at first it was mild, and! the first time. at first it was mild, and i think it was after six months i noticed that the pain was becoming excruciating again and i said it is growing back, i can feel it, and he said, can you hold off for a bit because you don't want to
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go infor for a bit because you don't want to go in for another operation after six months. i said it was not the experience pain i had before, i waited, had my second operation and asi waited, had my second operation and as i came around he said it has got worse this time, i would like to stop you trying for kids and put you in an induced menopause, an early menopause, so i had to go to the gp to have an injection which was an implant, and they have to alternate it each month to different ovaries. then you take a tablet which is kind of like a hormone replacement tablet to keep the other hormones pumping. i want you to tell the audience go toiam i want you to tell the audience go to i am coming to that. this is the craziest thing. with the induced menopause you get hot sweats, you wa ke menopause you get hot sweats, you wake up and the bed is wet from sweating. no periods. this is the
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other thing. i hadn't had periods. i came off that and then my body is meant to be regulating back to normal. there was a chance i wouldn't come out of the menopause and that would be it. we get tojuly and that would be it. we get tojuly andi and that would be it. we get tojuly and i had my blood test. blood results came back as you have started ovulating. that was your first month, you now ovulating, but still no periods. and i'm waiting because my ivf appointment was going to be january just gone because my ivf appointment was going to be januaryjust gone so i was waiting to say my periods haven't started, what's going on? i had a routine kidney scan in november because i have a benign kidney tumour in my right kidney, and i went there and they were scanning over my kidney and bladder and the woman was like, congratulations and me and my mum looked at each other and said what, has the tumour shrank, is it going because matter she said no, your pregnancy, your baby. i was like, what baby? she turned the screen and there was this
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full on baby on the screen and i just burst out crying. i couldn't believe it. i was thinking how had i done at? you are being told you will never become pregnant naturally. and the amount of tests i had it with my previous partner very hopeful that positive, and it was a negative, every time. you thought it was a joke? it didn't feel real at first. the realisation didn't set end. i was just overwhelmed and i started crying, thinking to myself, i can't believe that i have a baby inside me and i'm creating this life that i was told i never could. it is a wonderful story. i love it when you said, i turned wonderful story. i love it when you said, iturned round wonderful story. i love it when you said, i turned round to look at the scanner said, i turned round to look at the scanner and there was a full on baby in there! and mum was looking at me going, what the hell because matter because we knew that my sister was pregnant. good news for your mum,
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she will have a lot going on with the grandkids. nobody knew who the dad was, it is nobodies business but you said at the weekend it is kyle walker of manchester city and england. y? originally, iwas in barbados. i had been out there, pregnant, and i wasn't ready to put out my pregnancy because of the fact that it was going to be my first and probably only child i wanted to enjoy what i could orbit come out of the public eye, which maybe sounds a bit selfish in a way because i then could have spread more awareness on and polycystic ovaries, but i wanted some more me time, i then got pictured in barbados, they said, they have got you pregnant, but do you want me to say? and i was thinking, panicking, iam not ready to do this. and it went out that i was pregnant. i decided to release it on my instagram and give the back
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story as to why this was such a special pregnancy for me. then it didn't become about why it was such a special pregnancy and the infertility journey i'd a special pregnancy and the infertilityjourney i'd been on, it became about who the dad was, which for me, it wasn't about that, but about raising awareness for women that are suffering, many suffering in silence because they don't know they've got this condition or disease. what was the rationale for naming him? i thought, disease. what was the rationale for naming him? ithought, now disease. what was the rationale for naming him? i thought, now we got that out of the way, we can move on on what i want to get a cross which is raising awareness for people. and even being able to give people hope that they can have a baby, and the amount of messages i've had on instagram saying, thank you so much. they have read the sun, they've said i'm not into gossip and tablets, but you raising awareness being on a public platform is helping. not enough people talk about this disease. what role do you think kyle
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walker will play in your baby's life in future? me and kyle are keeping things private in terms of our child. i wanted to come on and talk about endometriosis and polycystic ovaries and why it's important to raise awareness for those women. how do you rate view the prospect of being a single mother?” do you rate view the prospect of being a single mother? i am nervous. i won't lie. i always thought i would be with my partner, but a lot of strong people that i know are doing really well, so that brings hope for me and i am fortunate to have a good support network with my family and friends and my sister is also pregnant, three and a bit weeks apart, and my otherfriend is pregnant so it is just great. i am just blessed to be able to have this child. i will take any challenge that comes with it. many congratulations again. thank you for coming on the programme. we wish you
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loads of luck. cheers, lauryn, thank you. lauryn goodman. why are universities using gagging orders to silence their own students' complaints about sexual assault, bullying and poor teaching? have you signed one? if so let us know — victoria@bbc.co.uk the bbc‘s next episode podcast has found that nearly a third of unis have used non—disclosure agreements to resolve student grievances in the past four years. rianna croxford has this exlusive story. this exclusive story. do british universities have something to hide? our investigation has found widespread use of gagging clauses across the uk. students are asked to sign nondisclosure agreements, or ndas, to stay silent on serious issues like sexual assault. that's what olivia, not her real name, says happened to her when she spoke to university staff.
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they told me not to tell my parents, to not tell my friends, to basicallyjust be quiet about it. she reported being raped by another student on campus. her university asked her to sign a contract that says she will be expelled if she goes public. it felt like something to be ashamed of. something that i couldn't talk to anyone about. and i couldn't raise issues about how it had been handled. the police dropped her case, saying it would be hard to prove in court and so the university won't investigate. she still doesn't feel safe. i wake up multiple times a night to check my doors are locked, and i'm still having nightmares. there are times when i start to receive lots of anonymous threatening messages. ididn't i didn't know who they were from. nearly one third of universities have used nondisclosure agreements when resolving student complaints, paying out more than £1.3 million since 2016.
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charlotte complained to the university of west london about how they treated her after she reported being sexually assaulted. her university encouraged her to go to the police but there wasn't enough evidence to investigate. she then felt unsupported by staff. they told me i had to come in for a meeting. i couldn't have anyone with me. someone senior thanked me for not pursuing things with the police. literally thanked me "for not ruining his life". i couldn't believe someone would say that to someone, when it happened to me. not him, he did it. to me. they essentially said, if you make any more of a fuss or even cry about it... i was not supported at all. after graduating she officially complained to the university and received £1000 in compensation along with an nda.
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that's a pittance, considering what i went through through and what i've been dealing with in the years since this happened. you can't put a value on someone's experience and how that affected them. looking back it feels like it's kind of happening to someone else. i've had a few years to process what happened and it took me a very long time to process what happened. and ijust feel so sorry for my past self, having to go through that. i asked a lawyer who is an expert in sexual misconduct cases whether she thought ndas are being misused by universities. they are being used, across the board, in situations where they shouldn't be used, and they are not acknowledging the disparity of power between a university trying to force a student, who is a relatively vulnerable party, to
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sign up to something before they even know what it is that they are signing up to. why are universities using nondisclosure agreements to settle student complaints? i think it's misguided. they don't want other potential students or stakeholders to see that they have a problem with sexual misconduct on campus, so they think the way of preserving their reputation is to pretend it never happened. and ndas are notjust being used to silence students about sexual assault. i feel they treated me like dirt, like an inconvenience. somebody to get rid of. i went to meet one former oxford university student who has broken her nda to talk to us, at the risk of being sued. she was paid off after raising concerns about the treatment of suicidal students. there were a number of students who we knew were suicidal. i saw no responsibility or no care.
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staff members responsible for student safety were actually quite dismissive of students' well—being and in fact on one occasion a female student came to us to express her mental health problems. unfortunately she dropped out and the oriel staff members responsible for discipline and welfare privately rejoiced. it was our responsibility to help her. it wasn't their responsibility to be happy that somebody that they perceive to be a burden left the college. why do you think it is important to speak out? why now? i have witnessed and experienced so many problems and if people don't speak out, things will never change. oriel college oxford gave us this statement...
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but our investigation also found not all students got a pay—out. olivia didn't. she signed her nda so that neither her or the student she accused could contact each other. basically they said to promise never to tell anyone, or to face expulsion. they should acknowledge there is a problem and try to take steps to tackle it. the government has told the bbc the use of ndas for student complaints is unacceptable and is clamping down on the practice but, for now, students like charlotte feel that they have to speak out, despite the risks. this e—mailfrom this e—mail from one viewer. this e—mailfrom one viewer. i had no choice but to sign a nondisclosure agreement when i started my degree. during my second year at started my degree. during my second yearat unii started my degree. during my second year at uni i was subjected to
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verbal abuse due to my disability and how i look. i reported it. i was told that the universe that he would not help because the nda and if i made a complaint against the university, they would expel me. they had no interest in helping me. thank you for those. more on the website if you want to read more about that exclusive story from rianna. the government plans to ban putting children in care in unregulated homes in england following a bbc newsnight investigation. the education secretary said "the bbc highlighted something thatjust needed to be changed". a consultation also proposes greater powers for ofsted to tackle unregistered child ren's homes. last year, newsnight revealed that children as young as 11 were being placed in these homes. newsnight‘s uk editor katie razzall has been investigating this issue for months. yes, we have, for the best part of a year. and the more we dug into it, the more shocking it was. we called
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the more shocking it was. we called the serious hidden children's homes because that is what they are, a residential home or hospital used for teenagers and care, and they are com pletely for teenagers and care, and they are completely unregulated. that was unbelievable to us at the time when we first started investigating. of course, some of them are good. but 6000 children in care every night r and one of them in england. although some are good, we've spoken to many other people involved to say, too often, they are not. children are left to fend for themselves, downright neglect, at risk of exploitation, exposed to criminality, all of the things you wouldn't want children in the care of the state to be exposed to, but the most devastating thing we uncovered as you said at the beginning is that children under 16 even though these homes are supposed to be a16 and over, they are to independence, they need support, that's what they need to my children as young as 11 have been put there
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by councils. this is what one of the people we interviewed had to say. we put ina people we interviewed had to say. we put in a freedom of information request and we found out that last year a cross request and we found out that last year across england around 100 children under 16 are in these homes. this is what one of our contributors had to say. he had worked in a variety of care homes over the years, is now a campaigner and explains why it is so dangerous in his view to put children under 16 into this kind of accommodation. it's the things of nightmares. you are 15, you might be in the care of an 18—year—old boy who has been arrested for sinister things, or he is affiliated with county lines drugs. at 15, 18, you are easily groomed, aren't you? you are easy pickings. it's unsafe for any person of that age to be in a surrounding of older young people from the care sector. easy pickings, and now because of your investigation the government
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has acted. others as well, notjust the media. we have a children's minister on and pressed him on what he was going to do. you said that regulation would be kneejerk, they wa nt to regulation would be kneejerk, they want to stamp out rogue elements but other people got involved, outside of the bbc, and now they are going to make this announcement, they'll make it illegal for under 16 to make this announcement, they'll make it illegalfor under 16 is to be in them as part of a wider consultation on this. this is what the secretary of state had to say. what we are announcing today is the end of unregulated children's homes for those under 16, making sure that no one under 16 is in a position where they are going to a care home that is unregulated. but also making sure that we have minimum standards for every care home that children are going into right across the country. england's education secretary. the former empire actor jussie smollett is facing six new charges of lying to police. last year, the actor claimed
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he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. police in chicago say he made thing the whole thing up — but he's always denied that. radio one newsbeat‘s imran rahman—jones has been following this story for us. what is the latest? the latest is he has been charged with six counts of disorderly conduct by the attorney general by a special prosecutor in chicago, he is due in court on 2ath february. this goes back to last january. he said he was attacked in a racist, homophobic hate crime in chicago at about 2am in the morning. the police investigated, and then the whole thing flipped. he ended up getting arrested and they said he faked the whole thing. they said that he got these two brothers from nigeria who he knew, to fake the attack and pretend to be the attackers, he denies all of this. he pleaded not guilty in court. and in
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march the case flipped over again. the attorney in chicago dropped all the charges and basically said, he had given up £10,000 of his bond, they said he had done his community service, and that he was going to walk free. the police were really angry about this. they said he is still guilty. just because we are coming to the end of the programme, and now he faces these charges, which he denies. thank you very much, imran. we are back at 9:30am tomorrow with the four labour leadership candidates. the next name storm arrives at the weekend, storm dennis, head of that, disruptive weather in the form of snow and ice across scotland and northern ireland, northern england. that will tend to ease through this
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afternoon with more persistent rain across the far north—east of scotla nd across the far north—east of scotland into orkney. elsewhere, spells of sunshine. the wind is stronger than —— not as strong as recently so temperatures are not as cold but staying in single figures. increasingly wet and windy for the south—west. gales likely for channel and western coasts. some significant snow across the north of england into southern scotland. a very cold night across the far north of scotla nd night across the far north of scotland with lying snow and temperatures as low as —10. travel disruption through the morning through the central belt and the far north of england, then clearing from eastern coast of scotland and england, some spells of sunshine and windy for weston, channel and eastern coasts, but starting to feel a little bit less cold. goodbye.
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