it's thursday, it's 9:303m. i'm victoria derbyshire and we're live from new broadcasting house. these four people want to be leader of the labour party and think they've got what it takes to beat boris johnson and become your prime minister. rebecca long—bailey was born in old trafford. she's the shadow business secretary. herfirstjob was working in a pawn shop and she is a manchester united supporter. lisa nandy is the only candidate in the in the race who's not injeremy corbyn‘s top team. she grew up in manchester and her grandfather was a liberal mp. her first child was born just four days before the 2015 general election. keir starmer, the shadow brexit secretary was born in south london. his father was a toolmaker,

his mum was a nurse. and emily thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, born in guilford, and as a child was so poor that when her dad left the family, her cats had to be put down. she's the only one who doesn't yet have enough support to get to the final round of the contest. we've got an audience of labour supporters and voters, we've got 90 minutes. what do you need to hear that will convince you? let me know. also, borisjohnson is reshuffling his top team , there's one casualty already, julian smith, the northern ireland secretary, has been been sacked. we'll bring you news on that throughout the programme. welcome to the programme, live until

11 with a studio full of labour supporters in the four mps who want to lead them. applause good morning. who do you want to be the next leader of the labour party and potentially your next prime minister? after four election defeats for the party, it's going to be a very big job. you know we absolutely welcome your views on this programme — you are a huge part of it — so do join the conversation today wherever you are across the uk. we're going to ask all four candidates how they are going to try and win back the trust of voters, especially in those parts of the country which have traditionally voted labour but didn't at the last election. we'll ask them what their top priorities are, how their upbringing has informed their politicis and if they've ever had a holiday paid for by a wealthy businessman or woman. here in the studio alongside

the candidates, the voters they need to convince — a0 people here from all over the country, just over half are labour members or strong supporters, the rest have voted labour in the past but didn't vote labour at the last election. in fact one of two haven't voted for the party for years. first of all, the candidates are going to give us their pitch for the top job in 60 seconds. we've drawn lots to see which order they go in, emily will kick us off. good morning. 50 we emily will kick us off. good morning. so we took a hell of a beating at the last election and we are 80 seats behind. what does labour do now? it will be a long, ha rd labour do now? it will be a long, hard slog to get back into power but i think that we can do it and we can do it with energy and we can apply ourselves and take our fight to the tories with a leadership, the leader in me that will take the fight to borisjohnson, as in me that will take the fight to boris johnson, as i in me that will take the fight to borisjohnson, as i did and have done for the last two years when he was foreign secretary, i was the one who shouted at him i've done prime minister's questions and i have the experience and passion to do this. in the end, you know, what we need

to say to the public is this, that britain can be better than this and doesn't have to be this way. we can ta ke doesn't have to be this way. we can take our country into a different direction but people need to believe in us and that we are credible because if they don't, they will not vote for us and they will not give us vote for us and they will not give us their trust, because we could do so us their trust, because we could do so much more. rebecca long-bailey. good morning. like all labour members and supporters i was devastated at the election result because i knew what another four years of a conservative government would do to communities like mine in sa lfo rd. would do to communities like mine in salford. after ten years of austerity, stagnating wages, cuts to public services, our communities we re public services, our communities were desperate for change but they need a leader to show them that that change is possible. we need to tell a story about how a labour government will realise people's aspirations, whatever their postcode and income and we need to press

ahead with a green industrial revolution, the biggest economic opportunity for national renewal in a generation and we need to show those who have lost faith in politics that will end of the gentleman is a club in westminster and shift power to their communities. we need a plan and i have got that plan. it's about aspiration and it's about the labour party saying that we are the party of quality of life. with every passing generation, our children's lives will always be better than our owi'i lives will always be better than our own and that hope doesn't currently exist in our communities and i would bring that back. sur keir starmer. when labour wins elections we do amazing things. we created the nhs and my wife's mother has been in intensive care for 17 days which is a reminderfor us intensive care for 17 days which is a reminder for us about the quality of the nhs. we introduced equal pay and sure start for children make such a difference to lives. that's what we do in power and we just lost four elections. we have a choice now, haven't we? we can mope around

and take lumps out of each other, what was the reason for it? if we do that, we will lose, or we can pull together and say the next stage of the journey is for us and we can ta ke the journey is for us and we can take us on the journey now back into power which is why you want to lead the labour party, to pull it together, unite and bring the passion and dedication. i want of all our members and supporters to feel that actually, i want to be pa rt feel that actually, i want to be part of that and be part of history. i want to look back in five years time and say, actually, i made a real difference to my party, my movement and my country. lisa nandy, hello. i will be honest, the contest is hard, notjust because of the scale of the defeat or gravity of crisis we face but because every morning before i go out and fight for a better world i have to balance the obligations i have two my young family with the support of parents who are growing old at different ends of the country. and in that i am 110 ends of the country. and in that i am no different to any single one of you. and that is what keeps us awake

at night, a social care system that lacks humanity and rules, that isn't there for people when they most needed. a child—care settlement that makes virtually impossible to be good parents, and hold down a job and make a contribution. that is why lam seeking and make a contribution. that is why i am seeking your permission to lead this party and leave the country and show the courage and ambition to reach out across the political divide and build a consensus that will help us to fix this crisis, these problems that politicians have hidden from for far too long. with your support i know we can do this, and we can build the britain that i have believed in all my life but never yet seen. thank you all very much. let's go straight to the audience. chris evans is a lifelong labour voter from eccles, a audience. chris evans is a lifelong labour voterfrom eccles, a shop steward at tesco, a union worker. the last general election was a first for you. tell the candidates why. the reason why you did not go with the people who voted

democratically to leave the european union, and loads feel the same about it. how are you going to change that to make the people understand that you are with them and you will start listening to them instead of doing what you want to do, other than what the people have put you there to do? chris, what was the first for you at the last general election? you walked into the voting booth and what? i walked into the voting booth, my family, my dad, my mother, my brothers, my sisters, we've all voted labour all of our lives and i walked in and ijust could not put the pen on the paper because you would not go with the people who voted to leave the european union. i have been labour all of my life and i protect people throughout the north west, and i'm hearing the same thing, that you don't listen to them. you've got to get out of your little boxes and talk to them and see what they want, because if you

don't, you'rejust going see what they want, because if you don't, you're just going to lose again and again and again. you've got to move on. willjohnson is a retired mechanic and a former director of an office furniture company and almost always voted labour except this time you voted? conservative. tell the candidates why. i've voted labour all of my life, excuse me, i have a sore throat. except when michael foot was there and jeremy corbyn. we had an excellent mp in bassetlaw who did a greatjob and i spoke to him a couple of times. why did you vote conservative then? i didn't like jeremy corbyn and i think that's the biggest reason and i didn't like the nationalisation policies. i couldn't see a future in it, and i'm not like a lot of the young people here. i remember the 70s and the economic chaos that followed in the 80s and that's because the unions had control of workforces. are you able to express what you did not like

jeremy corbyn? i didn't like his sta nce jeremy corbyn? i didn't like his stance on terrorism, that while the ira were bombing and killing innocent people in this country he was supporting them. and i have family there who go into a rage when you mention it. one of them was an ex policeman. in bassetlaw there is a group of us, a strong labour area and he got absolutely slaughtered, he went from 7000 majority to 15,000 down. a massive swing. that's what you've got to overcome. it really is massive. tony, a plaster originally from the wirral. you lovejeremy corbyn and you are anxious that these candidates will move away from that and you don't want it to happen. i'm truly the opposite in a sense. i would describe myself as a lapsed labour voter and i never voted for gordon brown or ed miliband or tony blair at the end of

his time as pm, and i think it's really important that we have a party in britain that has a socialist agenda and when jeremy corbyn came out there were some things i didn't like, but on the whole, he brought me back to labour andi whole, he brought me back to labour and i voted for him and i would like to see it continue, really, socialist agenda and labour going back to their roots. there is the dilemma writ large. you have to bring those supporters, who are all labour at heart, but on different sides. you have to bring them together. tell them why you are the person, emily thornberry, to do that. i think the first thing is what i hear from that. i think the first thing is what i hearfrom people is a great belief in our country is a form of patriotism and that's notjingoism, it's just our country could be better than our country is at the moment and people feel we have lost oui’ moment and people feel we have lost our way and there is a great concern about the future and how we will do

this. specifically how you bring the sides together. i'm saying that is one of the things that unites us, the idea that we have challenges in front of us and it will be hard after leaving the european union and the economy will be challenged and we need to make sure that we make decisions together and that we are as united as we can, which does mean listening to people up and down the country. i went to bassetlaw a few days ago and listened to people in bassetlaw and was overwhelmed by the distress people felt, that they just felt for a very long time that they had not been listened to and overlooked, and it's really important that people believe that their politicians who are there to represent them are properly engaging with them. i might move on if i may, and specifically the question is how you bring the two together? we listen, and that's really important and thanks for raising the point is about brexit. i've heard them many times. we are saying about what we

will do but i'll tell you what i have been doing, i voted will do but i'll tell you what i have been doing, ivoted remain will do but i'll tell you what i have been doing, i voted remain in my constituency was heavily remain andl my constituency was heavily remain and i spent a lot of time in areas that voted leave to have conversations with people. gritty conversations, tough conversations but the respect of having those conversations was huge and what i did in those was to explain why we we re did in those was to explain why we were fighting boris johnson did in those was to explain why we were fighting borisjohnson on did in those was to explain why we were fighting boris johnson on the deal, because i think this deal will do future harm to the country and we need to get that across to people while listening to what they have to say. once you have listened, then what? we need to listen to people, remain and leave is over, and we have left, so for some extent we have left, so for some extent we have to make sure we don't carry this divide on because it has split families and our party and we have left now and we need to move on but what we can't do now is say that brexit is over because there nothing johnson wants more than us to not look at what he is doing. he's made loads of promises that he will not deliver, so we need to focus on

that. there were varied reasons we lost the election, notjust one, and the problem is they try to find one reason and it would have been plain sailing, and it wasn't, as we've seen from the various conversations this morning. lisa nandy. everything you've said i've heard for the last decade and i think brexit was the straw that broke the camels back in ex coalfield communities like mine, but it has been a long time coming. we have to be clear about our values and be honest with people. we want to make deep, transformative change in the country and we believe in public ownership and we should be clear about that. we want compassionate society where we are decent and kind to people, especially people facing adversity and that have difficult lives, but we also need to show a level of respect to people, and when we are asked a question and said it was up to you, we should have been respectful of the answer. i'm somebody who campaigned for remain and wanted to remain and if i'm honest, i want to remain now, but i

accepted the fact that we lost the argument and when we promised in 2017 we would leave the european union with a deal, we should have gone and fought for the deal and agreed the deal and got on with it andi agreed the deal and got on with it and i think we have to be honest with people as well. it's notjust about listening. politics is about leading as well. when i say to my constituents who want to leave the eu with no deal at all, i would never support this, because it's bad for your jobs, never support this, because it's bad for yourjobs, they listens to me because i was respectful to them. and most of all we have to go out and win the argument. i believe in public ownership but i understand and have heard so many people say the things you have said over the last decade. we got to get out there into the country and win the argument with the people. how do you bring people together?” argument with the people. how do you bring people together? i am actually from eccles. it is where i live and the anger was palpable in our community and i was knocking on doors and people in salford said, becky, we like you, but we can't vote for you this time because they we re vote for you this time because they were so angry and

vote for you this time because they were so angry and they saw us playing parliamentary games and not talking to our communities and we paid the price for that. many of the leave voters thought we were trying to undermine the referendum result and the remaining voters thought we weren't going far enough in having a strong relationship and the compromise didn't work and we cannot regurgitate the arguments of the la st regurgitate the arguments of the last four years. what we have to do now to win back trust is set out a positive vision of what britain looks like outside of the european union. and we can do that. and to touch on the point the gentleman made about public ownership, and i prefer calling it that, that was central to our economic plan but we didn't have a message that showed people that the economic plan was about creating industries of the future, it was about aspiration and making peoples lives better and using energy as an example, we were going to take energy networks into public ownership not because we idea logically love it, but we wanted to invest in the networks so we could create businesses in the future. you

heard the anger, you say you will listen and i wonder if you want to ta ke listen and i wonder if you want to take the opportunity to apologise to your supporters for that thumping general election defeat? we've all got to take responsibility because we won't move on if we don't.|j don't think you can answer for the other three but if you want to take the opportunity. i was only speaking for myself. i'm sorry for the result, of course i am, for our members, for the mps, for the millions of people who desperately needed change at that general election. emily thornberry? iwas completely devastated by the result andl completely devastated by the result and i was devastated by the fact that we will have another five years of conservative government, and who knows what they are going to do to us. knows what they are going to do to us. would you like to apologise to these people here? us. would you like to apologise to these people here ?|j us. would you like to apologise to these people here? i was part of the leadership team of the labour party andl leadership team of the labour party and i apologise for us for the failure andl and i apologise for us for the failure and i frankly wish we had not called a general election in those circumstances. rebecca

long—bailey? those circumstances. rebecca long-bailey? we had a single issue election which is what it was on the conservatives had three words, get brexit done, and we had three and a half paragraphs and try to change the subject and we were going to win andl the subject and we were going to win and i apologise for us going into an election like that where i don't think we would have won.|j election like that where i don't think we would have won. i am sorry because i know what this will do to people in my city and around the country and how much they are going to suffer and how we are not going to suffer and how we are not going to have hope for at least four years but we need to recognise that we are the party of transformation and we can provide that future of aspiration. but you were rejected. i don't think it was the policies specifically but we didn't package them well... people in the audience are saying yes it was. sometimes what we did and this is where we got the messaging wrong, we try to appeal to people by telling them that we would save them from themselves, that their lives were so terrible we would be the knights in shining armour to save them but a lot of people don't feel like that and a lot of people feel that they

wa nt to and a lot of people feel that they want to do better and they want aspiration and we need to make them realise that. do you want to apologise, lisa ? realise that. do you want to apologise, lisa? i am sorry that we didn'tjust not apologise, lisa? i am sorry that we didn't just not listen apologise, lisa? i am sorry that we didn'tjust not listen but we are not learning. we got defeated and rejected in 2010, 2015, 2017 and 2019 and i'm standing in this contest because i have heard you and lam determined contest because i have heard you and i am determined that we will bring labour home to you. who said, yes it was the policies? do you take the microphone. stand up and introduce yourself. hello, my name isjay microphone. stand up and introduce yourself. hello, my name is jay and i'm a former labour voters who voted for the tories for the first time this election. your manifesto was an absolute joke, an absolute disgrace. why? if they had put out a manifesto that you would reverse tory cuts, you would have done so much better. free internet, you are going to tank the economy. i have no trust in jeremy corbyn. is so far to the left now that it is falling off the

scale. it's gone from the centrist part. tony blair would have won that election and that's why would vote for keir starmer, because i think you're the only one who would put the party back in the centre and unite the left and right. my name is ariana and i am from croydon and i ama ariana and i am from croydon and i am a student. can ijust say, the labour party was literally built off the back of unions. how can you say it should be a centrist party? it doesn't make sense in itself. that is going away from the labour party and how it was built. and how are you going to continue to get the support of young people from ethnic communities, how you will continue what jeremy corbyn did to get us to vote and register? i will bounce around and come back to you in a moment. i am eller and i left the party due to anti—semitism. i think we can agree that the parliamentary labour party did not do enough to fight anti—semitism and some people rated their efforts ten out of ten, but what i'd like to ask is, what in

hindsight would you have done rather than leave it up to people like luciano burge are to fight on their own? we will come to anti-semitism later. let's bounce around a bit more. who has got a microphone question about lady on the front. hello. thank you for all of your apologies and they are needed. but i wa nt to apologies and they are needed. but i want to move the conversation forward now and not look back and i'm sure that voters feel the same way. how, to all the candidates, how do you plan to counter tory agenda is like brexit through actual policies and not get bogged down in this north and south divide question what you know, unite us all as socialist? through actual policy, how will you do that? let's talk about the nitty—gritty rather than bouncing around rhetoric because young people are just tired of it. they maybe but from your point of view, do you think these candidates sound like they have learned their

lessons from the defeat or that some are still in denial? i think some are still in denial? i think some are definitely still in denial. who? i would have to say keir starmer. why do you say that? well, i mean, you only have to look at the way he is behaving through the campaign. you can talk to him, he's right there. i absolutely think that, for me, rebecca has been the only one that has touched on actual policy and continues to talk about real implantation. keir starmer i will give you an opportunity to talk to one of your, not mad on you, but labour supporters. one good thing about the competition so far is that all four of us have done a number of events together and have positively put forward the case we think is right. we haven't taken lumps out of each other and i won't start doing that now. ijust want to push back

slightly on this issue because i stood at the dispatch box so many times trying to get a deal that we could leave the eu with. and i don't know how many members —— amendments was put forward but i wasn't going to put in the lobby for boris johnson and vote for his deal that would damage the country. i apologise for the loss at the election but lets be honest about what we were doing, we were trying to prevent a hard brexit which i genuinely think would lose thousands ofjobs. my dad was a toolmaker who worked in a factory and we now have brilliant manufacturing jobs across the country and i don't want to see them gone. but we couldn't win the votes because we lost the last general election and that is the price of losing. do you still want to be in the single market and customs union? should that be the relationship are outside. we are outside now. i think we need to stay close to the eu because that is where the traders. does that mean a union? it does go to the future. i

am convinced boris johnson union? it does go to the future. i am convinced borisjohnson will rupture our trade with europe and businesses say it will be bad and he will then do a deal with donald trump, whatever he says now. that would be a much worse economic model than we have got now. in america or ten days of holiday is the norm. that is what we are heading for. does that mean a customs union, yes or no question we can't argue about a customs union now. the next general election is 2024 and we won't be in one for the next four years. so that is out? businesses across the country, everywhere in the uk, they said, what do you want? don't make it more difficult for us to trade because it will probably end injob to trade because it will probably end in job losses. outside the customs union? businesses were saying that, i don't care how you do it, but don't make it more difficult because there will be job losses. i'm going to pause you there. 0utside i'm going to pause you there. outside the customs union and outside the single market, to be

clear? close economically to the eu, however that is achieved. businesses just want to be able to succeed. lisa nandy. can i push back a bit on this, because we were offered a deal that met all of the key tests we we re that met all of the key tests we were asking for and i think part of the anger comes from the fact that people could see we were not serious about it. i did not vote for the borisjohnson deal at about it. i did not vote for the boris johnson deal at second about it. i did not vote for the borisjohnson deal at second reading because i loved borisjohnson's deal i went and voted for it because the government didn't have a majority and we had a chance to get a close economic cooperation that we were talking about and to protect peoples jobs and lives and you know what, theirjobs and lives are more important than my job theirjobs and lives are more important than myjob and my reputation which is why i did it and why i will always go out and fight for this country, but can i push back against one thing? you are right to challenge us on policy and to wa nt right to challenge us on policy and to want to hear what we have to say about the future but these formats

don't give us the chance to do that and you will hear a lot of agreement between us on policy. becky talks about a green industrial revolution andi about a green industrial revolution and i could not agree more. five yea rs and i could not agree more. five years ago i was the shadow energy and climate secretary calling for that and put in place plans to do that and put in place plans to do that which i had inherited from ed miliband but were taken up by barry gardner and becky developed and put in the manifesto. we want to talk about these things. we are not being given the opportunity to do it and i would love for us to all to be able to have a real debate about the future of direction of policy in this country. i know you find it frustrating and 90 minutes is a decent amount of time in tv and radio news terms, so i will ask you not to make speeches because we have 40 labour supporters from this country and there are four of you. breaking news for people. esther mcvey, housing minister, andrea leadsom business secretary, have both been sacked. esther mcvey and andrea leadsom, the business

secretary, have both been sacked. i need to remind people we have a room full of labour supporters which is potentially why there was a hurray to people losing theirjobs. rebecca long bailey, then emily thornberry. there's a couple of points we need to address and we shouldn't have to go over the arguments we've been talking about the last four years because our communities want to move forward. so the relationship with the eu? what will it be? we need to make sure we scrutinise the government trade talks so we get the best deal possible. that is a no—brainer. best deal possible. that is a no-brainer. that is what we have to do from opposition. in government it would be a different position, but will not be lost with a devastating defeat and we have to accept reality. what we do now is a party is set out what a vision of the future will look like. we've talked about the green industrial revolution and that is one policy that has the ability to unify the country whether you are a de—industrialised area or a rural area or a young voter desperate to tackle climate change, whether you

are older voters worried about losing yourjob is. this is sounding like a speech. it is that exciting though, it's the biggest opportunity we've had in a decade. does that sound exciting to you? some yes, some no. emily thornberry? what? i've been stood here on my own for a long time. that says something about how you feel about the candidates. we were originally talking about, the guests were saying we want to look forward and move on, and in terms of our future relationship with the eu, what should it be and be specific? the future relationship should be a close one and we need to be negotiating. borisjohnson is not negotiating. come on, i waited a long time. tell us what close means. borisjohnson spent long time. tell us what close means. boris johnson spent the last long time. tell us what close means. borisjohnson spent the last month trying to work out what sort of design they should be on the 50p coin to celebrate leaving the

european union to make big ben ring, but he should be negotiating with the european union and negotiating a close deal. what does close mean? it means something that will look after jobs in this country on the economy in this country. half of our trade is with europe but he wants to do that at the same time as he wants to negotiate with donald trump and what donald trump wants to do is have no regulation and the european union wants lots of regulation. if goods coming from america into the uk, we cannot be the hole in the wall where goods go into the european union, so we will never be able to do those two things, and furthermore there are another 60 countries with whom we had trading relationships because of being part of the eu, so if we are leaving the european union at the end of the year, without a deal, what exactly is going to happen to our trade with europe and 60 other countries and how desperate will we be to negotiate with drum. what does close mean? it means we are closely

aligned in rules and regulations so we can export things backwards and forwards with the biggest trade partner. do you want to be able to do independent trade deals with other countries or are you not bothered? our biggest trade partner is the european union. you are talking about staying in the customs union. no, i'm saying we need to trade closely. geographically they are close and we do half of our trade with them. are we really going to put up walls between the european union and britain, and if we do that, what is going to happen to our children'sjobs? steward from twitter says, interesting to hear them apologise and take responsibility for their pa rty‘s and take responsibility for their party's failings. ben says if this is the best labour can offer, more of the same, they are likely to be in the political wilderness for many more years. another on twitter says, please ask emily thornberry to apologise to scotland for her use of the word hate inner snp run.|j apologise to scotland for her use of the word hate inner snp run. i did. isaidl the word hate inner snp run. i did. i said i shouldn't have used that

word. i got up in parliament and said it. i said i hated the scottish national party. i should not have said that. i should have said i dislike them, i dislike the way in which they are using nationalism all the time as an answer whenever they fail on anything they are doing in scotland, when they have been in power for ten years. mike says i am a lifelong voter for labour. until the selection i never voted for any other party. i voted for boris because of the way the labour leadership acted over brexit. it's ten o'clock. thank you so far. 0nly 60 minutes to go! it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. we've got the four people here who want to lead the labour party and take on boris johnson. so far this morning we've heard from traditional labour voters who are angry. two told us they couldn't bring themselves to vote labour at the last election. i have been labour all my life and i protect people throughout the north

west and i'm hearing the same thing. that you don't listen to them. you've got to get out of your little boxes and go and talk to them and see what they want. i didn't like jeremy corbyn. that is the biggest reason. but i didn't like the nationalisation policies. i couldn't see a future in it. i'm not like a lot of the young people here. i rememberthe lot of the young people here. i remember the 705 lot of the young people here. i rememberthe 705 and lot of the young people here. i remember the 705 and of the economic chaos in the 805. that is because of the unions and the way they controlled the workforces. breaking news on the cabinet. julian smith, andrea leadsom and esther mcvey a re smith, andrea leadsom and esther mcvey are all out of government. right, let's bring you the latest news summary. more right, let's bring you the latest news summary. more to come from the debate in a moment. thank you. good morning. boris johnson is making the first major changes to his government line—up since the general election in the past half an hour it has been confirmed northern ireland secretary julian smith, business secretary

andrea leadsom and housing minister esther mcvey have all been sacked. it is thought a number of female mps will be promoted by the prime minister, particularly at ministerial level. china has sacked two of the most senior communist party officials in hubei province amid claims the extent of the corona virus epidemic has been suppressed. the pair were fired after the authorities revealed a big increase in the scale of the outbreak. 254 people have now died from the virus while there have been almost 15,000 other confirmed cases in the country. it is largely down to the use of a different system to diagnose the virus. that 254 figure for yesterday is the biggest single death toll for a single day. here, officials are trying to trace eve ryo ne officials are trying to trace everyone who might have come into contact with the latest patient diagnosed with corona virus. the ninth confirmed case in the uk. the woman, who is being treated in

hospital, caught the infection in china before taking a flight to heathrow in the past few days. meanwhile, all 83 people have been in quarantine and the wirral for the last two weeks, will be allowed to leave today. labour is calling on the prime minister to clarify who paid for his holiday on the caribbean island of mustique or the new year. according to the register of mps interests, the cost of the accommodation used by borisjohnson and his partner, carrie symonds, was covered by a businessman and conservative party donor david ross. but a spokesman for mr ross has told the daily mail he didn't pay for the state although he helped to arrange it. downing street says all transparency requirements were followed. research for the bbc suggests large scale fly—tipping has more than doubled in england since 2012. criminal gangs are being blamed for dumping thousands of tonnes of rubbish at a time. the environment agency says it will start sharing information with the

police and customs to try to tackle the problem. city regulators are investigating the chief executive of ba rclays, investigating the chief executive of barclays, jazz investigating the chief executive of ba rclays, jazz staley, investigating the chief executive of barclays, jazz staley, because of his links with convicted six word offenderjeffrey epstein. they are looking at the information he gave about his business relationship with epstein. ba rclays says about his business relationship with epstein. barclays says joe about his business relationship with epstein. barclays sastoe staley has the full support of the board. a man is due in court later charged with the murder ofjournalist myra mckee in londonderry. the 29—year—old was shot dead while observing rioting in the city's creggan estate last april. the man is also accused of possessing a firearm and being a member of an illegal organisation. and finally, the cost of restoring elizabeth tower, which houses big ben, has risen by more than £18 million. the increase is being put down to the discovery of asbestos, toxic lead paintand discovery of asbestos, toxic lead paint and extensive bomb damage from

the second world war. it means the cost could rise to almost £18 million in total. that is a summary of the news. back to victoria. thank you. let's get the latest on the cabinet reshuffle this morning. leila nathoo is in downing street. who has been sacked? good morning. the action is about to move back here. the prime minister has been in his commons office this morning making those cuts. there have been a few casualties already. some high—profile casualties. the former northern ireland secretary, julian smith, was a surprise casualty this morning. he had been responsible for securing that a deal of power—sharing instalment. a lot of speculation he would be safe because of that. it seems he has lost his job this morning. we now know that esther mcvey, the housing minister, has lost herjob. she has confirmed that news on twitter. she had been seen that news on twitter. she had been seen lurking around the prime minister's office earlier this morning. we also know that andrea

leadsom, the business secretary —— the housing minister, has lost her job. she has confirmed thatjob. high—profile names, andrea leadsom a prominent brexiteer. when boris johnson took over they were a number of high profile brexiteers given new jobs in the cabinet. we have seen some big names lose theirjobs. downing street were briefing last night we wouldn't expect an overall reduction in the number of women in the cabinet. there had been some concerns raised that women were going to be in line to lose their jobs. we do know now that andrea leadsom, esther mcvey. some action earlier also in the prime minister's commons office. geoffrey cox, the attorney general, seen there. speculation that he was in line to lose hisjob. we haven't had any confirmation of that so far. soon we expect the prime minister, i can see the gates opening here, we expect the gates opening here, we expect the prime minister to come back shortly. i can see some motorbikes. the motorcade likely to be pulling into downing street. that means that

now the happy part of the job for the prime minister, surely, is to appoint his ministers, his new top team. we have not seen any of the big names, the big jobs, the big fivejobs, any big names, the big jobs, the big five jobs, any of those cabinet ministers lurking around the prime minister's office. we can suspect they are safe. here, borisjohnson arriving back in downing street. we can see that he has just completed his reshuffle. thank you for the moment. we will be back with you. do you want to finish? no, i was going to say no comment from borisjohnson as he goes in. now he will be preparing to bring his ministers to downing street. we will keep an eye on who walks up the street and who will be in line for a promotion. thank you. good morning. welcome to our programme. live from new broadcasting house with the four people who want to be the next

leader of the labour party and the next prime minister. in a room full of labour supporters. some are members, some lapsed voters, some could bring bring themselves to vote labour at the last election. what would be your number one priority we re would be your number one priority were you to become leader of the labour party and the next british prime minister? i have got a few. tackling anti—semitism within the party is one. and the second priority is developing a policy programme that is transformational, building on the green industrial revolution, democratising our communities and our party. emily thornberry? number one priority as leader of the labour party in opposition is to make sure that we are united, that we are on the front foot and that we are fighting back. if you were to become leader and when the next election as prime minister, number one priority? numberone minister, number one priority? number one priority ha5 minister, number one priority? number one priority has to be to rebalance number one priority has to be to re balance the number one priority has to be to rebalance the economy, to have an active industrial strategy that bringsjobs back to active industrial strategy that brings jobs back to the regions and that links in with the green

industrial strategy. lisa nandy? is the leader of the labour party my numberone the leader of the labour party my number one priority would be to deal with anti—semitism. we don't have any moral authority to go out and fight for a better country until we have done it. as a prime minister my first priority would be to get investment back into areas that have seen investment back into areas that have seen 40 years of economic decline. why? because those young people in towns like mine i have no choice but towns like mine i have no choice but to leave in order to find work and opportunities. it breaks families apart and it is causing major problems in our big cities, with high housing prices, overcrowding, congestion, air pollution and a strain on public services. we have got to do better as a country than this. i agree with lisa and anti—semitism. i think until we can demonstrate that anybody anti—semitic is out of r party, we will not be able to persuade people that we can win an election. that has to be a priority about the tolerant, respectful party that we are. we then do need to reunite. there is a saying the divided

parties don't win an election. it is an old saying because it is true. we have to pull together. then we have to have a way of winning the general election that is serious about changing our economy and are serious about climate. we are one of the wealthiest countries in the world and our economyjust wealthiest countries in the world and our economy just is wealthiest countries in the world and our economyjust is not working. when an eight—year—old has to wait 18 months to get a mental health assessment, something is seriously wrong with our country. when you have got homelessness everywhere you 90, have got homelessness everywhere you go, you have got something seriously wrong with your country. we are not farfrom my wrong with your country. we are not far from my constituency where the age difference of how long people are going to live is ten years over are going to live is ten years over a two mile period. there is something fundamentally wrong that needs to be changed. at this election, and i can understand why people didn't vote labour, lots of people didn't vote labour, lots of people said to me, we do need to change. ok, on those number one priority is, a number of you mentioned anti—semitism. last night a newsnight, emily thornberry, you said rebecca long—bailey had not

spoken out in shadow cabinet about anti—semitism. rebecca long—bailey, you said you did. you can't both be right? i didn't remember rebecca speaking out. she was on the national executive committee which is responsible for ensuring the party does the right things in relation to anti—semitism. party does the right things in relation to anti-semitism. she might have done, you didn't know about it? i don't know. the shadow cabinet is the literal lead on wider issues. the nec are the ones who deal with party matters. they deal with internal party matters and deal with things like, how does the party deal with anti—semitism? it may be that thatis with anti—semitism? it may be that that is where the confusion comes from. maybe rebecca was speaking at the nec. i don't remember speaking at the shadow cabinet.|j the nec. i don't remember speaking at the shadow cabinet. i don't remember if emily was there or not. i remember talking to the shadow cabinet about the processes within the nec and how they were not fit for purpose and how my view was that we needed an independent legal process. do you recall that? no, i

don't remember. i'm not saying it didn't happen, i don't remember it. we can have a competition about us all -- we can have a competition about us all —— between assault... we can have a competition about us all -- between assault... it's not about that. all this did not do enough on this issue. i take response ability for that and i know that other people will take responsivity. —— responsible th. whoever becomes leader we need to tackle this swiftly and robustly. it must be a priority. we may be throwing people out of the party now for being anti—semitic, and we are, but why didn't we do it too one half years ago? why wasn't the party dealing with it then. the nec in the party had control over that that is why we were telling the shadow cabinet to report to us. you had executives that michael rebecca was one of those on the nec. some of you responding, yes? my name

isjosh, i some of you responding, yes? my name isjosh, lam some of you responding, yes? my name isjosh, i am a labour councillor in east london and i stood at the december election in braintree. and on polling day all of my undecideds either went tory or state at home. the campaign was an absolute mess. however exciting the promises, there was no clear message, there was no clear procedure. we have become the nasty party. the country did not trust us. you will claim you are sorry, you will claim you want to improve it. now you will have these bright ideas. you were all in the shadow cabinet. what have you done? what did you do? and where do you thinkjeremy what did you do? and where do you think jeremy went wrong? i don't mind who takes that first. there are a number of issues. we lost trust on a number of issues, anti—semitism being one. are policies were another. 0n anti—semitism, we didn't deal with the problem swiftly enough or robustly enough. why not? there were

various problems. i think in terms of the way that we are engaged with ourjewish community groups, trust broke down. can you hear people in the audience, sighing at your a nswers ? the audience, sighing at your answers? exactly. not enough took place. we didn't take the that was required. what we need to do now is move on. we have to rebuild trust with ourjewish members and within ourjewish communities. we need a system that adopts any recommendations made by the ehrc. we have we have to have an independent legal process free from any perceived legal bias. and we have to have the gold standard when it comes to not just have the gold standard when it comes to notjust tackling anti—semitism, but also any form of discrimination we find within our party. keir starmer, did you do enough in the top team? can you sleep enough —— at night and so you did enough?” top team? can you sleep enough —— at night and so you did enough? i think this studio is also used for andrew marr. i came on the shout repeatedly and made the case against anti—semitism. and made the case against anti-semitism. -- shiao. this is about actions. you asked me what i

did. icame about actions. you asked me what i did. i came live on tv to say what i should change. i also argued strongly in the shadow cabinet. this requires leadership. i have lead an organisation of a thousand people. i know that if you want to change how an organisation deals with something, the person in charge, the leader, has to take a personal interest in this. and if i were the leader of the labour party i would say every friday i went to my desk a report on how we are doing on this. that would change what is happening. i would personally rebuild relations with the jewish community. my test four hour party would be whether those who have left the party over anti—semitism feel they can safely come back. yes, hello? hi, i'm a jewish member. this is for rebecca. you have signed the judges by the board of deputies. i want to know when you were on the nec, when there was that huge row about whether or not it should be adopted, were you pushing for its adoption? you also talk about an independent complaints

system. tom watson and a few people around him on the nec were trying to put forward a rule change what they withdrew it due to lack of support. would you support that potential rule change? this is one case where we didn't deal with the issue properly. are you pushing for the full definition to be adopted? yes, i was. but what happened, just to give members and supporters context as to what happened, there was an attempt made to bring the definition and the examples into our rule book. i'm sure that was done with the best intentions. but that was perceived by many as an attempt to water down the guidelines. we have the full definition in the rule book now. and iam definition in the rule book now. and i am pleased with that. the issue wasn't dealt with very well at all. when you back in the attempt by tom watson to push forward a rule change on the independence complaints system? i can't remember the specific example of what we were

voting on. i remember him talking about auto expulsions. i supported that principle. what i would like to say is that i have always been absolutely clear when it comes to foreign policy and make it clear to the labour party that we have a duty asa labour the labour party that we have a duty as a labour party to be critical and to hold to account the far right government of binyamin netanyahu in israel and what is happening to is to —— two state solution under his leadership. and whilst labour has absolute duty to do that, that is not in any way anti—semitic. it becomes anti—semitic when people start drawing that and start saying that somehow or other what are the far right government in israel is doing is the fault of the jewish people. it is not. i have always said that. i have had regular meetings with the board of deputies, the chief rabbi, i go to every single event the jewish community invite me to. and i have continued to have a close dialogue with the jewish community and was speaking to the leader's office, i think it is

known, two to three years ago and said, i known, two to three years ago and said, lam known, two to three years ago and said, i am very concerned about what is happening in relation to or relationship with the jewish community and we do need to start dealing with this issue and i was told that it was not any of my business. who told you that? i was told that in the leader's office. i said, i have had these meetings with these organisations and i'm really concerned about what is happening. a breakdown in trust. i was told it was not for me as shadow foreign secretary to be raising the matter. not byjeremy corbyn but those around him. lisa nandy? my worry about all of this is we are not having an honest reckoning with how badly we have got this wrong under the collective role that we have played in this. i broke collective responsibility once when i served in the shadow cabinet and it was over a high—profile incident of anti—semitism that the leadership was refusing to deal with. and by refusing to deal with it was giving a green light to anti—semites that they had a home in the labour party.

i went to the labour party conference and addressed labour friends of palestine, an organisation i have chaired, vice chaired, for seven years, and told people in that room that nobody in —— at people in that room that nobody in ——ata people in that room that nobody in —— at a place in the labour party if they didn't believe in the right of israel to exist. leadership is about taking on issues when they are hard. and sitting in the shadow cabinet asking for reports, not seeing them, challenging and then remaining silent, is not good enough. i have friends, jewish female friends, and there is an element of misogyny to this as well, that have been hounded out of the labour party. and i promise to berger at the time that this would not be her fight alone. and we have to be honest that far too many people in this party did not stand up and speak out when it counted. and we will never, ever, ever be there again. i have been accused of disloyalty to this party for speaking out. but i am deeply loyal to the labour party. to our anti—racist values. and i will

a lwa ys anti—racist values. and i will always defend them. the disloyalty charge was because he resigned from the shadow cabinet and co—led a coup againstjeremy corbyn. that is the disloyalty charge? no, i resigned after telling jeremy corbyn the truth. we were losing trust in communities like mine. we were making a mess of brexit. we had lost all moral authority over anti—semitism. and i said to him, we will work with you to resolve this but you have got to listen. and i was told that the faction around the leadership would continue to wage that factional war until the other side had been crossed. that is not the labour party i believe in. that is not the labour party that wins elections. that is not the labour party that lives up to our moral obligations. i didn't keep my head down. i spoke up and i spoke out. i will always pull for this party and i will always pull for... i believe in labourandi i will always pull for... i believe in labour and i believe i will always pull for... i believe in labourand i believe in i will always pull for... i believe in labour and i believe in winning elections. but i will not stay

silent when our moral authority is in question. the labour i will lead will be better than that. one more question on anti—semitism. a member of labour's ruling body, a close ally and friend ofjeremy corbyn, was suspended last may for suggesting the israeli embassy was whipping up anti—semitism allegations against mr corbyn. let's listen to this undercover recording obtained by rbc. it is almost certain who is behind all of this anti—semitism againstjeremy. who? almost certainly it was the israeli embassy. really? yeah, because they caught somebody in the labour party, and it turns out they were an agent in the embassy. is that anti—semitic? 0f is that anti—semitic? of course it is. yes. yes. yeah. he has been investigated for eight months. if you become leader when you kick him out of the party? yes, we've got to do this. it shouldn't take this long. no, i want. the

do this. it shouldn't take this long. no, iwant. the leader of do this. it shouldn't take this long. no, i want. the leader of the labour party shouldn't be making individual decisions. that is howl got into this mess. i would set up an independent process and make sure action is taken swiftly and decisively. yes, but an independent process will kick him out. exactly. it is completely wrong for friends of the leader to get special treatment when it comes to anti—semitism. treatment when it comes to anti-semitism. i agree with lisa on this. i think an independent process needs to be put in place as quickly as possible to swiftly deal with cases like this. the leader should not interfere. another woman has been sacked by borisjohnson. theresa villiers, the environment secretary. let's change the subject. let's move around the room. lots of you want to still get in here. let's hear from you want to still get in here. let's hearfrom some more you want to still get in here. let's hear from some more women. hello? hello there. i am a labour party councillor from luton. 0ne hello there. i am a labour party councillor from luton. one of my key concerns, and what i am really worried about, it's how we're going be delivering public services under

continued tory austerity. youth services have been decimated and child poverty is on the rise. how will you tackle that? let's start with rebecca long—bailey. we have got to look at how we tackle it now under a conservative government and what we would do as a labour government. for the next four years it is going to be soul destroying to bea it is going to be soul destroying to be a councillor in any local authority with the cuts faced over the last ten years. it's not a case of people's beans not been collected as often as people would like any more. it is a case of vital services, children services, not delivering the vital direct care that people need. we need to tell a story about what it is doing to our communities. and of course we need to help our labour run authorities to help our labour run authorities to do the best they can in difficult situations. we have to show people what life would look like under labour. that makes property fronting public services, devolving power away from westminster, political and

economic power, to our regions and nations so that our communities make decisions about their future, not people in suits in westminster.” will pull for you. all of the councillors i now stand for election in orderto make councillors i now stand for election in order to make their communities better and not to be implementing cuts. my local authority has had 70% cuts. my local authority has had 70% cuts of central government grant. it is as if the gunmen wants to devolve to devolve to local governments is the blame for the cuts. you and luton have had terrible cuts. you have to make these decisions and you have to make these decisions and you have to make these decisions and you have to try to balance one desperate need against another. in the end you guys are the ones often keeping people alive when it comes to care, protecting children. these are absolutely vital services. and we are such a long way away from what it was that brought you into public service. you need to keep people alive what you want to be able to enhance your communities and make them better. when we are in opposition this is why it is so tragic that we have lost this election and we are out of power for

five years. there is nothing that we can do to stop central government continue to cut your budget. i think what we have to do is that we have to start talking to you guys, we have to start exposing these cases, we have to make it clear to the publicjust we have to make it clear to the public just what we have to make it clear to the publicjust what it is the local government is losing and net them together. where there are examples of good practice, where there are things that are good ideas, and you can get around it, share that out amongst labour councillors. but in the end we have to be working with you, because we are out of power nationally but we do have some power locally. but the trouble is we have had our budgets cut so much it is very difficult to be able to shout labour values in local communities. some were breaking news. another man has been sacked. geoffrey cox, the attorney general. sir keir starmer full? 0n public service, i ran a national public service for five yea rs national public service for five years and therefore i know when a certain motor money is taken out of a public service, it is impossible

to deliver it. i worked with the local council in camden. they have had massive cuts to the budget. 50 to 60%. you can't pretend you can deliver the same service. if you are a fantasticjob. deliver the same service. if you are a fantastic job. thank deliver the same service. if you are a fantasticjob. thank you for what you are doing. 0f a fantasticjob. thank you for what you are doing. of course we have to put more money into public service. all of us would say that. i would like to be braver and go further. what i saw was silos, criminal justice here, held their... people have said to me, how can you prevent crime? should we build a bigger prison? i said crime? should we build a bigger prison? isaid no, you should put your money in a primary school because that is how you reduce crime. yes to more money. support what we are doing but let's spread this out. mental health, education, criminal justice, they this out. mental health, education, criminaljustice, they all go together. if we do them separately we will not get to grips with some of the underlying problems that cause inequality that we are seeing across the united kingdom.” cause inequality that we are seeing across the united kingdom. i think we have to win the argument out in the country that labour is not responsible for these cuts. far too

often, when i was in worksop the other day, i heard people saying they didn't vote labour this time because the council has cut everything, the high street is falling apart, and the nhs is in crisis. that is one of the reasons i have been talking about the work that labour councils do. whether it is house—building and luton, or the youth forum in wigan that stands in the centre of wigan is a testament to how much those young people mean to how much those young people mean to us and how much they believe in us. i wanted to say this one thing. if we want to convince people about a better country and better public services, we are going to have to be honest about how we pay for them. we all stood on a manifesto that said we would put 5% on the top rate of income tax and i support that. i think we all do. we have to look at where the wealthy is. and the wealth of the very top is in assets. that is why i said we have to bring wealth taxes in line with income, so wealth taxes in line with income, so we can invest that money into public services and stop those children going hungry and stop this country falling to pieces. would you support a mansion tax? yes. i wasjust going

to say the point about the council is really important. labour have not done enough to tackle the funding cuts in local government. i am a student in brighton but i am originally from worcester, a very small city in the west midlands. we have a council with no overall control. the areas that vote conservative every time are being heaped with a council tax. how would you put across these ideas that labour needs to do more of the grassroots? labour is the party of trade unions. can you pass your microphone to the man in the bright red waistcoat? thank you. very quickly. i come from canterbury. i live in a homeless shelter. i see every day what you are talking about and the things frankly that you don't see, because you don't, looking. you sit in the westminster bubble quite often and you don't see what we are seeing every day. councils are being cut everywhere.

councillors had not been heard by the labour party. it is about time that we had councillors with an equal standing with mp5. will you commit to doing that? iam i am originally from worksop and now in the bassetlaw constituency. 0ur former mp. now lord john mann. that's what i was going to say. i think he was very critical ofjeremy corbyn of the leadership in the last five years and it's obvious that that had a massive impact on the party, across the country, in several constituencies where they we re several constituencies where they were critical of the leadership. and what i want to know is how each candidate plans on helping remedy factions and the divisions in the parliamentary party to bring unity

among mps? lady at the front does not have a microphone. go ahead. my concern is that years ago we had really good services shut showers sure start and because of funding problems, they have gone, so how can each individual say they are going to provide the services and then be sustainable. that is my concern with mental health and everything. you mean where is the money coming from? can we have a realistic goal because a certain amount was meant to go into mental health and it was not a sustainable figure for children at about £9 per child. did you trust the manifesto and the spending? know, because i work on the community floor and i work with families that access food banks and families that access food banks and families with children who have waited months for mental health services, so we have to be honest with each other about where the money is coming from, and can it be

sustainable. the way i see it, on the community floor, it is down to myself and this gentleman who works with the homeless to keep these people alive rather than... with the homeless to keep these people alive rather than. .. thank you. i am an lgbt plus actavis and i wa nt to you. i am an lgbt plus actavis and i want to know about the labour party pledge to uphold trans—rights and to combat trans—phobia. it's important, because it is a proposed charter and i want to know about the labour party. we talked a lot about this on newsnight last night, but the question is will you sign up to this? there are a number of pledges. it isa this? there are a number of pledges. it is a 12 point pledge. lisa nandy? is the question on trans—rights? absolutely. i've signed up to a pledge and i don't know if it's the same one you are talking about, but

i signed same one you are talking about, but isigned up same one you are talking about, but i signed up to a lengthy series of pledges around trans—rights on the reason i have done that is that i represent people in my constituency who are currently going through the gender recognition process and its long, and you have to wait a long time for support on the levels of discrimination are horrendous and i believe that those people, like the young girl in my constituency who is going through it at the moment deserve nothing more than my full and to support and that is what she will have from me during the process. can i push back on the thing i heard in the audience that i do not agree with. we do here what is happening in our communities and we do see it, we all see it, in our surgeries and with our friends, neighbours and families. i work with homeless teenagers before i came into parliament and have spent my whole life battling to try and change this, but where we got it wrong was that we did not convince the wider public that we could be trusted to change it and that is what has to change. we dramatically underestimated the need people have, notjust to underestimated the need people have, not just to understand what we will do because what was in the manifesto

was right, but we did not explain why and if we're going to win arguments like public ownership or massive investment in children's services and mental health and tackling poverty, we have to explain how we are going to do that and why it will improve the lives of people across the country. and the labour campaignfor across the country. and the labour campaign for trans—rights includes state m e nts campaign for trans—rights includes statements accepting there is no material conflict between trans—rights and women's rights and all trans—women's are trans—rights and women's rights and all tra ns—women's are subject trans—rights and women's rights and all trans—women's are subject to patriarchy and repression. —— oppression. i am a labour party memberand have been for over30 years. can you hold the microphone near your mouth? i am also a feminist. i support women's place uk andl feminist. i support women's place uk and i support the alliance, the lgbt alliance, and if you believe that trans—women, that anybody can identify as a woman, where does that

leave biological women on issues on women's shortlists and even local women's shortlists and even local women's officer roles. rebecca long—bailey, where does it leave women? macri i we have to disagree on this because trans—women are women and trans men and they have the right to self declare. it is not an easy decision somebody to become an easy decision somebody to become a trans person but i want come back ona a trans person but i want come back on a point made by a gentleman in the audience about being disconnected from our communities andi disconnected from our communities and i expect the story is the same for all candidates but we all became mps because we were angry at what we saw in our communities and we do a homeless count every year and we see people, young kids sleeping in parks and in old sheltered accommodation because he had been kicked out. this is not acceptable and to answer those questions and to provide a future for people who have fallen

through the cracks in the system we need to have an economy that works for our community. the role of government for me has always been the betterment of people and at the heart of that is funding public services properly and whether it's good health care, investment in infrastructure, these are the tools to prosperity, but they are also the tools to aspiration and it's not good enough to have one person like i was, from old trafford, to climb to the top of the ladder and looked down and see everyone else around me works just as hard and down and see everyone else around me worksjust as hard and did not do down and see everyone else around me works just as hard and did not do as well as me. whatever your income group, you should have that quality of life, home, car, the ability to go on holiday and have decent leisure time. what you got a round of applause for saint trans—women are women and trans men are men. can i ask what your definition of a woman is? my definition of a woman is if you want to identify as a woman. becoming a trans man or woman is not some easy, snap decision

people make. it's devastating to that individual and their family. do you agree, lisa ? that individual and their family. do you agree, lisa? i do agree. so you area you agree, lisa? i do agree. so you are a woman if you say you are? decades ago people said it was a choice, but it is not a choice, and it's a very hard thing to have to live with. and on this issue about organisations i think there is a real problem because i will talk to and engage in debate with anybody who wants to have constructive debate, but if you don't recognise that trans—people exist, no meaningful dialogue is possible. keir starmer? trans people face incredible abuse in the lurking application and have done for a long time in the labour party stands against this. trans—rights are human rights and i think we can go further than the gender recognition act. it's important we go further than that. other countries have gone further but we won't get anywhere if we treated as a political football to be booted around by people. can i come to the broader point made? it's

often thought because you see us on parliamentary work on tv we don't do work in constituencies but we work all the time with homeless people, people with mental health issues in our case work and on friday very often i'm trying to find somewhere for somebody to sleep somewhere in camden. so the suggestion that we don't know is not fair and you can challenge us on how we will pay for it, but i do think as others do that we should tax those who have money more and we should make corporations pay theirfairshare and more and we should make corporations pay their fair share and tax avoidance is completely wrong. amazon has a revenue up £10.9 billion in a country and they paid 296 billion in a country and they paid 2% tax. that cannot go on and we have to be prepared to call it out but what we cannot do is to say it is wrong that mental health is not provided for and it's wrong there's enough money in the health service and it's wrong people are sleeping on the streets but it won't cost you

a penny to do anything about it because that's not an honest conversation. i think you are right that people just don't understand the extent of rough sleeping and the amount of work and commitment from those who are working in those sectors, and i don't think we appreciated enough. we do, i think to be fairas appreciated enough. we do, i think to be fair as mps, and appreciated enough. we do, i think to be fairas mps, and it's appreciated enough. we do, i think to be fair as mps, and it's also families who are homeless and put into temporary accommodation. when i was seven and my parents split up, we became homeless and labour councillors saved us and found us a councillors saved us and found us a council house on a council estate and now people come to my surgeries in the same circumstances as my mum andi in the same circumstances as my mum and i cannot find a council house. we have gone backwards in 50 years. it is completely wrong and i don't think this is the country should be and the country people want us to be, so we have to pay for it and be

realistic what we can do to start with is paying tax, i think, at the very least at the same rate we were when labour was in power and it would mean we would be able to pay for proper services, and if we don't ca re for proper services, and if we don't care about kids with mental illness, because basically we don't pay for them to be looked after, we don't care. then frankly, who are we? let me confirm some other goings on at downing street in terms of the reshuffle, those who have lost their jobs, theresa villiers, she was environment secretary, andrea leadsom, julian smith, geoffrey cox, esther mcvey, they have all been sacked. ajunior esther mcvey, they have all been sacked. a junior minister esther mcvey, they have all been sacked. ajunior minister has gone, and those include chris skidmore and george freeman, and that's where we are with the sackings so far and we await those who will take their places. let me read this text from one labour supporter. i want a

moderate leader, somebody who makes it ok to have socialist values and to feel it is ok to be successful in your chosen career or life choices. and that it is ok to improve your lifestyle and those of your family and underjeremy corbyn i felt like and underjeremy corbyn i felt like a leper. that is from john who grew up a leper. that is from john who grew up on a leper. that is from john who grew upona a leper. that is from john who grew up on a council estate in sunderland but is now successful in it. people have said to me more than once, emily, you are awfully reasonable for a corbynista. i think people don't think what it is. people hide behind labels, but in the end, the labour party, we know who we are and we agree on 95% of policies and there might be 5% we disagree on but if we are not a party of aspiration, people have a go at me and say you are ever so people have a go at me and say you are ever so posh but they don't realise... john said he did not feel you are a party of aspiration. what

i'm saying is this, if we can't celebrate people doing well, and people should not be apologising for that and of course, everybody wants their kids to do better than they did and their grandchildren to be better of course, and we have to be a party that facilitates that. and we need to strengthen the economy. rebecca long—bailey, why did john feel like a leper underjeremy corbyn? i'm really sad and that was one of the most devastating thing within the manifesto. you heard that before? i have an everything i talk about is about aspiration, socialist aspiration. every policy decision we make should be about making peoples lives breath —— better and celebrating people who do well and helping them do better but expecting that to happen, we have to fund public services properly and invest in infrastructure and support businesses large and small and many other policies in the manifesto did that and we can go even further.

lisa nandy, john felt like a leper underjeremy corbyn. what do you think of that? i think it goes further back than that when we were talking about the 1% versus the rest, and i'm someone who at the timei rest, and i'm someone who at the time i was challenging ed from the left to be more radical in terms of what we were promising but i didn't join the labour partyjust because i hate the tories, although i hate what they have done to my community is over and over again. ijoin the labour party because i believe in the country and i know it could be better and what i heard in sunderland, and what i heard in wigan all the time is that there is a level of ambition shown by people in those communities, notjust for themselves as individuals but the whole community to rise up and be better and labour does not match that level of ambition and that is the labour party that i would lead. i want to go back to my mum and dad because it meant the world for them that i had the opportunity to go to university. it really meant the world to them because they believed,

all of their working lives that they we re all of their working lives that they were contributing to a society where the next generation would have better chances than they had and they did not have the choice to go to higher education and that comforted them through the rough and tumble of life and i think it comforted many families and we have lost that now and it's not down to jeremy corbyn, i think in the last ten years people would say they fear for the next generation rather than i have hopes for the next generation and that is fundamental and i think the labour party has to be the party of solidarity with people who need our solidarity but it also has to be the party of opportunity and identically like the word aspiration, as i think the word opportunity is crucial and i don't think both pillars were clear enough but that is the labour dream, which is ofa but that is the labour dream, which is of a better britain and better opportunities. that is a fantastic dream and is shared by millions of people across the country. we are coming towards the end of the programme. labour have had a male

lead before 120 years and you are standing up there amongst three fantastic women. and we don't know yet whether you did it or not, but you've been accused of data breaches. for heaven's sake. if you wa nt breaches. for heaven's sake. if you want above the law and a member of the trilateral commission, you probably wouldn't be getting away with it. but because of who you are. come on, i'm going to take the microphone away. you can respond. the final point, i will give you an opportunity to respond to that. nobody in my team has done anything wrong and i'm not going to let this campaign descend into this sort of mudslinging. nobody here is standing for this leadership because they are a woman or because they are a man. all of us are genuinely putting

forward the case that we think is best for our party and the country and party and we are doing it in different places and the members will decide. if we could model that for three months, that would be a very good thing for the party going forward. but descending into personal attacks is exactly what we should be avoiding in my view. we will whizz round. i am deborah from loughborough and have been a member of the labour party for nearly 40 yea rs of the labour party for nearly 40 years and my grandad was a liberal but the beer was cheap and the liberal club. when i go on social media there is an atmosphere, i am a tory light, i'm a blairite, thati should go and join the tories. how can we show that we are respectful and prepared to listen to the community and enter into dialogue when we cannot even debate within our own party. i am going to whizz round. you have had your hand up for

almost 90 minutes and i finally got to you. my name is selma and i grassroots activist from edinburgh andl grassroots activist from edinburgh and i am very respectful and i've never felt so excluded from a debate asi never felt so excluded from a debate as i have heard today. i appreciate the range of topics discussed, but when you talk about our country, you have not once touched upon the elephant in the room which is the continuing failure of labour in scotland. it has nothing to do with the nationalist party. there isn't one. it is the scottish national party. i don't know what relevance you think this has had to wales and northern ireland, and we do not blame our government when things go wrong. for the past ten years plus we have voted in a majority, pro—independence party.

we have voted in a majority, pro-independence party. what is your point? my point is that the labour party in scotland is now an irrelevance. you started off with a union man and the unison party, graham smith, he is advocating voting for nicola sturgeon and for independence and that's going to the party conference and gmb scotland is following. selma, i will poise party conference and gmb scotland is following. selma, iwill poise you —— because you there. following. selma, iwill poise you -- because you there. you are a complete irrelevance in scotland. i'm a party member in bury south, andl i'm a party member in bury south, and i wonder if you could commit to zero by 2030 because the climate emergency is really important.” know it is a huge issue and i will ask you for a yes or no to the specific question. can you commit to net zero by 2030? these yes and those are all very well and of course i would want to commit to that and we did, but we've just lost a general election and we have lost out on ten years and we have to be

honest. if we can reach that and get voted in in 2024 in six years, great, but this is the problem with losing elections, we'vejust great, but this is the problem with losing elections, we've just lost half the time available to do it and there's a price when you lose an election which is why we have to win the next one. he's absolutely right and furthermore we lost the opportunity to take a leadership role and we have this meeting coming up role and we have this meeting coming up with the un where we are supposed to have a meeting with all countries from around the world and take the lead, and look at them. they are a complete shambles. they cannot even agree who is chairing it, let alone what they will do, so i'm afraid we have lost our way. i will stick up for these two because you can't answer a question like that saying yes or no and there are some things we can do, we could go net zero on the buses and do it relatively quickly but in terms of the overall strategy, we have to have a proper plan and we haven't got a government on track and we have to get exposing

this and on the issue of debates. let me support keir starmer on this because i have seen too many leadership contests over the last two decades i've been in parliament where the candidates have attacked and briefed against one another and the next labour party leader comes out weakened by the process and has already lost the next election before we even started the campaign, so we have to do better than this and the fact you have for people standing here showing that leadership and determined to do better, i hope it's at least gives us some hope for the future of the party that we will pull together and move forward together. rebecca long—bailey. 0ne move forward together. rebecca long—bailey. one of the questions was a net zero by 2030. we can't be ambiguous with members on this and i've spent the last four years developing a plan as to what is plausible before 2030. the substantial part of emissions can be reduced by 2030 and creating jobs

across the uk as well. i'm going to pause you if i make, because we are running out of time in the programme. i have some quickfire questions and you may hate to do the yes or no and it's entirely up to you, you are growing and you can a nswer you, you are growing and you can answer in any way you like but i would say we have not got that long before the end of the programme. we are going to go on strike. it's reported jeremy corbyn has nominated john bercow for a peerage and he is facing allegations of bullying, which he denies. should he become lord bercow? please don't give a long speech. it is up to the committee that the name goes to to make an enquiry to find out whether someone make an enquiry to find out whether someone is appropriate or not. he's been nominated but jeremy someone is appropriate or not. he's been nominated butjeremy does not make the decision. nothing makes the case for the reform of the house of lords better than this process of nominating people. we need a democratic house of lords representative of the nations and regions, a senate that is elected.

no more peerages, no more old boys clubs. i don't think we realise how serious this is. somebody has to break the cycle and labour should be the party to do it. do you want to abolish the house of lords, it's not democratically accountable and it needs to be replaced with an elected senate outside of london that represents our communities properly. don't hate me, i will ask each of you an individual question about these people. who is this? scofield. first name? philip. lisa nandy, who is this? someone with very cool hair. i'm not cool. she won five grammys last year. i am still in britney spears mode. rebecca long—bailey, who is this?

britney spears mode. rebecca long-bailey, who is this? andy cole? emily thornberry, who is this? oh, she is my hero. i met her the other day. dina asher—smith. 0ne she is my hero. i met her the other day. dina asher—smith. one of the best things that has ever happened to me. a few minutes to go. ever broken the law, rebecca long—bailey? not knowingly, no. i'm sure i've driven over the speed limit slightly from time to time. i fully expect so but nothing that serious that i couldn't explain it away on your show. keir starmer have you? i have broken the speed limit like many in the country. were you caught? no. emily thornberry? yes. i smoked cannabis. how many times? do you still do it? no. would you refuse to

doa still do it? no. would you refuse to do a trade deal with the us of president trump does not reverse his position on climate change? yes, i think that's a good way of doing it. we have to stand up to him. i'm fed up we have to stand up to him. i'm fed up with us being a poodle and i think we should say what we believe in and not let him walk all over us. i wouldn't do that deal. yes, it was first policy n i wouldn't do that deal. yes, it was the first policy announcement i made in the campaign and the first policy announcement i made in the ca we have leverage asi the first policy announcement i made in the ca we have leverage as a it is that we have leverage as a country and should be looking outwards to the worlds and raising standards for people everywhere.” would not do a deal. he is a climate change denier. should foreign-born rapists and murderers in the uk be deported back to where they came from? i think we need to have a fair system and what we saw this week was the deportation of people who had made their home here in the uk and some of them, i understand, were not extremely serious. i am asking specifically about murderers and rapists? it depends whether they are going to go through the uk justice system. they have been through the

ukjustice system. they have been through the uk justice system and put on a plane to jamaica. i think with extremely serious offences, you have to look at the context of the case specifically. one of them raped someone. specifically. one of them raped someone. they shouldn't be out in public, they should be in prison. they have served their sentence. we need to predicate what we do in terms of these policies on human rights. answer the question. it depends. i want them locked up and i don't care if it is a country away from here or not. if there are people in this country committing rape or murder, we should deal with it and deal with it here and take responsibility for it nationally. keir starmer? i think in this serious cases i would prosecute the individuals. i have no truck with prosecuting rapists and murderers. that wasn't the question. on the question i think it does depend on the circumstances and i don't like this mass way of dealing with people. if somebody came here aged

one and has never, ever been back to the country they were born in, that's different to someone that arrived last year and the fact that you just say you are all in the same camp, that is what is wrong with it and individuals are different and we need to look at the circumstances. if they have served their sentence, of course, but there are differences. it specifically about rapists and those convicted of manslaughter. foreign national should be prosecuted, go to prison and sent home afterwards but the problem recently has been that because the government has not sorted out the windrush scandal that means there are many people here who may have come from jamaica who are probably entitled to british nationality but for whatever reason they have not had that and that has been the problem and they have been in limbo, so it's for that reason there is a particularfuss in limbo, so it's for that reason there is a particular fuss about this because many of those individuals are probably british citizens but the problem has been the way in which the paperwork has been done and the government said

they would do an enquiry and were still waiting for it. rebecca long—bailey? when did you last say i love you and to whom? to my little boy or my husband, a few days ago. i hadn't spoken to them for a few days. normally i speak to them every day. emily thornberry? a quick one to my son on whatsapp yesterday. keir starmer? to my wife who lost her mum on saturday. and i'm really sorry about that. we send you our condolences. this is why these questions don't really work very well. that is really fair. are you friends, the four of you? hang on, i haven't said i love you to anyone. keir starmer put me off that question quite rightly, i think, so up question quite rightly, i think, so up to you lisa. my answer is the same as becky. we don't see our kids enough. are the four of you friends? i would say absolutely yes. i would go for a pint with any of these

people, in fact, go for a pint with any of these people, infact, right go for a pint with any of these people, in fact, right now after this. when we started this competition, lisa phoned me up and said we have to look after each other out on the road and it can be brutal here and that is the spirit in which we have done the campaign. the media call it boring, but it's grown up and responsible politics.” don't think you have been boring today. thank you, everybody. thank you emily thornberry, lisa nandy, keir starmer, rebecca long—bailey, and thank you for being here. do give yourself a round of applause. thank you very much. good morning. the weather certainly woke me up last night, a combination of wet and windy weather and what brought that to us? it wasn't just me because we have a big area of low pressure dominating the scene across the british isles and this frontal system is working its way further east and at least the rain has

cleared away from the eastern shores of england with the notable exception of the north—east of england and the eastern portion of scotla nd england and the eastern portion of scotland and that weather will be around for a good while yet. brighter scales —— guys on a chilly start in scotland will keep the sunshine and plenty of hefty showers for a time sunshine and plenty of hefty showers fora time in sunshine and plenty of hefty showers for a time in wales, the midlands and the south—west where it is noticeably gusty, to say the very least. but as we get on through the afternoon many of the showers tending to fade away. temperatures where they should be in the south that after the chilly start, struggling in the northern half of britain and we will skip friday, if i made, because storm dennis is the main feature and disruptive flooding isa main feature and disruptive flooding is a real risk in many areas. i will bring you more later.

you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's 11:00am and these are the main stories this morning. boris johnson sacks five ministers from his cabinet as he begins his first reshuffle since the general election. we are live in downing street, where we will soon have an idea of the shape of the cabinet as the departure of geoffrey cox. labour calls for answers from borisjohnson about the funding of his caribbean holiday over the new year. the first group of people quarantined in a hospital on the wirral, are preparing to leave after being given the all—clear from coronavirus. the thing with this epidemic, were it to happen, is obviously we don't know how big the peak would be and absolutely critically, we don't know what proportion of people have this disease without symptoms.