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tv   Victoria Derbyshire  BBC News  February 20, 2020 10:00am-11:00am GMT

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hello. it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire and we're live from new broadcasting house this morning it's emerged that a man who shot dead nine people last night in two bars in the german town of hanau may have been a far—right extremist. federal prosecutors in germany have now confirmed that they are treating this as potentially as a xenophobic attack, which means, effectively, a right—wing extremist attack. damejulie walters has been treated for bowel cancer, after surgery to remove two tumours in her colon, and then chemotherapy — she tells me in an exclusive interview she's now all clear of the disease. she's urging you to get checked out if something's not right. your bowel is part of your digestive system, it's just
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what digests your feed. you just have to remember that. it's just you've got to go and get things checked. doctors are used to bottoms. they've got one themselves, hopefully. they laugh. no. in other news, we'll talk to this man who — after going on holiday to dubai — has made it his mission to save women who've been trafficked there from nigeria. we'll talk to angus thomas and his daughter georgina moranee galicia who's now helping him to rescue more of the women who've been forced into prostitution. and we'll talk to the two men who waded into flood water to rescue a 61—year—old woman who had been trapped on the roof of her car in monmouth for 12 hours.
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they waded in to save her. we're live until 11 this morning. i we are going to talk about g strikes at many universities. if you are one of those on strike or if you are one of those on strike or if you area are one of those on strike or if you are a student affected by the strike, let us know what you think. that we've already had loads of messages about our exclusive interview with julie walters, who talked to me about her bowel cancer diagnosis. eileen on facebook: one of my very favourite actresses. didn't know we have anything in common but i too had colon cancer and now in recovery also. on twitter: it's so helpful
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when well known people tell their cancer stories. people like you and julie get people to check things out. but if people feel unwell they mustn't let themselves be fobbed off. be persistent. aut—to—do on twitter: i will never forget when my 15—year—old son fell to his knees and sobbed when i told him i had cancer. the fear in his face, everyone who had cancer in ourfamily died but i'm two and a half years in remission and still here! wishing you the best. you are very welcome to get in touch. e—mail or text, or you are very welcome to get in touch. e—mail ortext, or message you are very welcome to get in touch. e—mail or text, or message us on twitter. at least nine people have been killed in germany after two shootings in the town of hanau, near frankfurt. german counterterror officers have now taken over the investigation.
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earlier, police confirmed the suspected gunman was found dead at his home. another body was also found at the address. at least five other people were seriously injured. deluged communities in parts of the uk are facing more heavy rain as they struggle to cope in the wake of storm dennis. a months worth of rain in 2a hours could also hit north wales and north—west england, forecasters said, falling on ground that is already saturated. the environment agency says there is a "heightened flood risk" across the midlands. dame julie walters, star of mama mia, billy elliot and educating rita, has revealed that she was diagnosed with stage three bowel cancer 18 months ago. she had surgery and chemotherapy and says a recent scan shows she is now all clear. she explained to victoria derbyshire how the specialist broke the news to her before she told her husband, grant. he said, sit down. i said, yeah, what's up? and he said, well, we found an abnormality. and i thought, yeah... and he said, in your intestines.
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i said, right, what is it? he said, well, i'm worried it's cancer. so i came out on the ground was waiting in the car, because he'd taken me. i said, they're worried it's cancer. i'll never forget his face, the tears came into his eyes. i said, don't cry. so then i was worried about him, more than... what was the effect on you? and you can see that interview withjulie walters in full on this programme injust a couple of minutes. an evacuation flight for about 70 british people stuck on the coronavirus hit cruise ship, the diamond princess, will leave tokyo tomorrow. officials say they'll be placed in quarantine at special accommodation on the wirral for fourteen days. it's also emerged that a man and a woman — who were taken ill with coronavirus on the cruise—ship — have died. both were japanese citizens in their 80s. in the us, billionaire mike bloomberg — one of the candidates to be the democrats‘ nomination for president — has been savagely
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attacked by his rivals in the latest televised debate. his record as new york mayor came in for criticism, as did his purchase of millions of dollars of advertising slots to win support. whoever wins the nomination will face donald trump in november's presidential election. scientists say they have seen a remarkably large number of blue whales in the southern atlantic ocean in recent weeks. a survey injanuary counted 55 near the british overseas territory of south georgia. it's an unprecedented number since commercial whaling ended more than 50 years ago, reducing the numbers from nearly a quarter of a million to just a few hundred. we will start by talking about that attack in germany. nine people were killed in germany last night in two shootings at shisha bars, where customers go to smoke flavoured tobacco. the suspect was then found dead at his home,
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along with another body. the shootings happened in the city of hanau, just east of frankfurt. the case is now in the hands of germany's counter—terrorism police — following reports in the german media that the suspected gunman expressed extreme right—wing views in a confession letter. the german interior minister has said there was a "xenophobic motive" for the attack. also expressed in a video. what do we know about this man? quite a lot from both the letter, the video was briefly online and has been taken down, a posthumous suicide video. the letter reveals his views. no surprises, far right extremist, awash with conspiracy theories. he believed in racial superiority, he hated immigrants, he hated people a different colour from him, hated immigrants, he hated people a different colourfrom him, he hated immigrants, he hated people a different colour from him, he was white, well educated, aged about 50.
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his german was apparently flawless, known as high german. he believed he was being followed by the security services and they can look inside his brain. he was a loner. he doesn't appear to have belonged to some of the more popular chat forums that are far right extremists go on, but he was in touch with others around europe. in terms of far right extremism across europe, is it on the rise? if so, why? it is, sadly. germany is probably more affected than others, particularly eastern germany, there is a lot of xenophobia there are about immigrants, suspected links to some political parties. it is the fastest growing what has been described in this country, in the uk, is the fastest growing threat to national security. mi5, for example, which normally has to deal with jihadist, isis and al-qaeda inspired terrorism
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is having to devote more and more of its time to right—wing extremist groups. germany, only three orfour days ago, german police broke up a suspected terrorism cell that was allegedly planning attacks on mosques. the police, as i understand it, are not describing this as terrorism —related. is that simply because at this early stage they are being cautious? they are still investigating. the fact these two shisha bars were targeted, where kurdish migrant workers were known to frequent late into the night, it automatically gave an indication that there could be some kind of ethnic motive to this. this guy had not had a relationship with anybody, sexual or romantic relationship for the last 18 years. he described himself as an incel, somebody who did not have a relationship. we don't know what the deal is with his mother. it was initially suspected there were several assailants, two
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attacks, very high body counts. but he had a hunting license. germany has quite strict laws on gun control, yet he had weapons and ammunition and use them to shoot fellow human beings. thank you for coming on our fellow human beings. thank you for coming on oui’ programme. damejulie walters has revealed she's been diagnosed with stage 3 bowel cancer. the star of mama mia, billy elliot and educating rita, told me the diagnosis was a shock. it came as she was working on her latest film the secret garden which is released in the spring. in an exclusive interview with this programme, she says as a result of her illness, her perspective towards acting has completely changed. her new film, the secret garden, she says, could be her last. after surgery and chemotherapy, julie walters told me her most recent scan shows she's ‘all clear‘ of the disease. here's our conversation. how are you? i'm all right. look at you, you look fab. look at you!
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aw. thank you for talking to us. it's so good to see you again. you too. particularly given what you have been through in the last couple of years. how have you been? i'm very well now but, obviously, 18 months ago, wasn't so good, when i was diagnosed with bowel cancer stage three, two primary tumours in my large intestines. a year before that i had been to the gp because i had indigestion, terrible indigestion, and a slight bit of discomf... really slight. because my digestive system has never been brilliant, right since my 20s really. i used to ignore symptoms anyway but this was just a bit... this indigestion. so i went. i saw my own gp. she said, "well, there's some inflammation."
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i said, "i'm fine now because it had gone away when i saw her." she said, "ok, but if that comes back, i want to see you again." well, it did come back. i was so busy working... anyway, i then went... so she sent me to see a gastric surgeon... mm—hm. and he said, "there happens to be a ct scan free if you can stay and have it." i said, "yeah, let's get it done, i've got day off work." i was in the middle of work. so let's do it now because i don't know when i'm going to be free. all of this, you know. so they did it and then, of course, a couple of days later i get a message on my mobile, i was filming saying professor kara njia would like to speak to you. so i would go into see him and then i saw his face. i thought, "why is he looking at me like that?" that doesn't look good. he's a really sweet, lovely person. you could see on his face. he said, "sit down." i said, "oh, what's up?" and he said, "we found an abnormality. " and i thought, "yeah." and he said, "in your intestine." so right, what is it?
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he said, "i'm worried it's cancer." so i said, "right." then he showed me on the ct scan and i could see it there, in my intestine, where my appendix is. he said, "we can fix this." at the time, i was still thinking, "that's ridiculous, he must have made a mistake." i couldn't believe it. mm. so i came out and grant was waiting in the car because he had taken me. i said, "they're worried it's cancer. " i'll never forget his face and the tears came into his eyes. oh, grant! so i then worried about him more than... mm. but what was the effect on you? when a consultant says, "i'm worried it's cancer." i mean, your immediate reaction was... shock. first of all shock. and i thought, "right." and then you hold onto the positive, which is he said, "we can fix this." mm. let me take you back a little bit. yeah. you had to have a biopsy. yes. you had to have a colonoscopy, which is where they put a camera up
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the bottom to have a look... yes. and to take some tissue out to test it. yes. what's that like? well, i wasn't looking forward to it. everyone i'd spoken to beforehand had said, "don't worry, it's fine i've had it, it doesn't hurt, blah, blah, blah." so i didn't expect anything. then i thought, "why are they giving me pethidine?" then they gave me a sedative. mm. i don't remember much about it when i came out of the sedation and everything. he said, "yeah, it is what we thought." i said, "i knew you wouldn't say it." then we arranged for the surgery... mm. and that was it. so the operation lasted a couple of hours? yeah. i went into hospital and had 30 centimetres, i had a foot taken out of my colon. the brilliant thing, it was in two of my lymph nodes as well. there were two of the tumours — primary, obviously, they weren't secondaries. but the brilliant thing about it was that it was in my bowel and that if you catch colon cancer early, it's one of the best cancers that you can have. what there...? i mean, from what you've said, the consultant said, immediately, "we can fix this."
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yes. so there was never a time when you thought, "my luck‘s run out, that's it." um, i thought it could run out. mm. especially waiting for the operation. i thought i might not come round from the anaesthetic. that's a big worry, isn't it? then when i came around... what was your feeling? i felt absolutely mar... obviously the anaesthetic, there was a bit of heroin in it, and ifelt absolutely marvellous. a really weird feeling. the night nurse, i said, "is love island on?" did you ask about love island? yeah, because she was a fan. we were talking about it. and we watched it together. i actually am genuinely happy to be with someone i'm actually excited about going outwith. do you really want to plan a future with me? i promise you, babe, 100%, i want to plan a future with you. love island, i was high as a kite, obviously. really happy. ringing everybody. no, i'm absolutely fine. it was only a couple of days later i thought,
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"i feel quite exhausted and a bit low actually." you were working. yes. you were in the middle of the secret garden. yeah. so you have to, what? put that on one side... yeah. and say, i can't do this for now. this is more important, not the film. they cut me out of certain scenes, i think, and used a fantastic double... mm. who looked uncannily like me for distance shots and things like that. i did go back a month later but i felt terrible actually, i have to say. i thought i was fine a month later. you have to remember that you've got to recover from things. mm. and did everyone on set know? no, i think it was a need to know. i think people thought i'd had some kind of hernia. my agent put that out at the time. i wasn't ready to talk about it. it's too tender and too private and ijust didn't... i wasn't ready. your wonderful friend victoria wood... yeah. two years previously to you being diagnosed, she died of cancer. yeah. you must have thought about her when you got your diagnosis. oh, god, yeah, ithought of her loads and how frightened she must have been because at least i could have an operation.
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she couldn't. they couldn't operate where her cancer was. so i did think about that. the other thing i thought was, "god, the last time i saw her was in hospital, sitting by the bed." also, i saw her at home and everything before that but... and i thought, "and i had at the same time, yeah." what do you think victoria wood would have said to you if you had told her... i've got it as well. "i've got cancer as well." i think it might have given her a bit of hope. do you know what? i think sometimes... it's like talking to you. because you've suffered as well, we both survivors, not sufferers. mm. i think it's comforting. yeah. this is the real sort of public service information bit for people. your symptoms were, you had a bit of stomach pain, a bit of heartburn... yes. you'd had a bit of vomiting. yes. you hadn't had blood in your poo... no. or bleeding or anything like that. no. so you had some of the symptoms of bowel cancer and not the others.
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yes. but i suppose, what the message is is, just go and make sure you get checked. if you've got a... you see, my discomfort was really slight. mm. so you wouldn't go rushing... you certainly wouldn't go to a&e, you wouldn't do anything like that but it shouldn't be there. if it's really, there's a bit of something, you've got to get that checked. you mentioned work earlier and perhaps your perspective when it comes to acting has changed. oh, my god. my perspective towards acting has completely changed. um... i feel like the person before the operation is different to this person. i mean i'm obviously the same person but there has been a huge shift. the minute i was diagnosed, one of the things... you asked me how i felt afterwards. obviously shock about it but also there was a huge relief. it's really strange. oh, god, i can get off this merry—go—round. it felt like i was stepping off something and it was wonderful.
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i was due to do a big series, two big series, one that year, one the year afterwards and a film, there were two films, and ijust didn't have to do any of it. wow. so it was giving you permission to step off. yeah. gosh. and that was a wonderful, wonderful... and i'm still feeling it. i still feel it. it's the way i approach acting... mm. that isn't probably healthy. i love it... mm. it's an exciting sort of stress but it's stressful. in betweenjobs, i'd be working like mad on the character. it was like my survival was involved in it. a few years back, i played somebody he had this terrible neurological disease. if there was a montage of tests she had to have and one of them is having her blood pressure taken and then they got a real nurse, so there was no stress involved, i was just sitting there. she went, "oh, my god," the nurse said afterwards. i went, "what?" she said, "your blood pressure shot up." i thought, "oh, my god," and that's just in that scene.
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so could the secret garden be your last film? it's possible, yeah. wow. but, you know, something might come up but i think i would approach it in a very different... it would have to be something i really engaged with... mm. and that didn't have a killing schedule. mm. i'm not saying i'll never act again but it's made me feel i'd hope to do it at the moment. i don't think i can go back to, certainly not six days a week, five days a week, five in the morning till seven o'clock at night with a big part, with having to learn lines, and the stress of it. i can't explain what the stress is like. do you sleep the night before... no. when you're working, when you're on set? no, i don't sleep and my gut certainly doesn't work well. right. and so all of that is not good, really. but it's so interesting to hear you say that, that you don't necessarily need it
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when it has been your life... mm. for decades. yes. all those incredible parts. well, i also... i can't blame all of that on the cancer because i was getting a bitjaded and i was doing it because i like being around everybody and doing stuff but it was... it didn't have the excitement or the drive that it used to have. you know? if you were starting your career now, you'd have all the scrutiny of social media. i know. the news and the showbiz websites... yeah. the intensity of that. how would you deal with that? very difficult because i have nothing to do with social media. no. why? it's unprivate enough. you're at the mercy of opinion enough... mm. without that, without any old tom, dick and harry coming up and saying, "you look old," or "you look fat," or "your acting's dreadful." i don't need that, thanks, i can question those things enough myself. if you're slightly fragile, and you've got a wall of that coming at you, it's unhealthy, it makes people ill and
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poor old caroline flack is a big example of that. mm. do you know yeats? the wine lodge? no, wb yeats, the poet. no. # if you change your mind. # i'm the first in line.# what's the soup of the day, please? i'lljust go find out. just in case the secret garden is your last film... julie laughs. i heard what you said. you're not retiring, you've made that very clear. yeah. butjust in case it is your last film, what is the role that you have loved the most? it's very hard to choose. i know, i know, i'm going to make you. there are two sides to it. i think there are the theatre sides, and they are the most exciting, and so i would say all my sons at the
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national theatre was my favourite, it was a wonderful thing to do. then there are categories, i suppose, that's why. i mean, mrs overall stands out massively. it was just a silly way of trying to draw attention to myself. and also i think things like playing mo... mm. oh, yeah. for channel 4, mo mowlam. so, the symptoms... this inhibition and personality change, they can go back that far? yes. 0h. so good old mo, the mo that everybody loves, larger—than—life mo, it could all be because of the tumour. did you have chemotherapy? yeah. i'd said to grant going
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in, "i'm not going to have chemotherapy, i am not having it, because i know i'll get really ill and i'm feeling great, i'm not going to interfere with it." we come out and i'm saying, "i'd better have it, hadn't i?" mm. and he said, "yeah, i would have it if i were you." i said, "ok." i'll neverforget taking the first lot. these were tablets, weren't they, rather than an infusion? yeah. i took the tablets. my hands were shaking. ifelt like i was killing myself... mm. that night when i took it. but that was fine, except my tongue swelled up. i was doing a voice—over. i didn't lose my hair either. and how are you now? i'm really well. as far as i know, touching wood, i've just had a scan on monday, and i know that that's clear. so that's a bit of a whoop—de—doo kind of moment. you don't realise how anxious you are before those things. bowel cancer, because it involves your bottom... yes. it can stop people going to the doctors because they're embarrassed, or they're afraid. yeah. what would you say to them about that? what would you say to people? i'd say, "it's part of...
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your bowel is part of your digestive system. it's just what digests your food." i think you just have to remember that. mm. and it's just... you've got to go and get things checked. doctors are used to bottoms. they've got one themselves... victoria laughs. hopefully. they both laugh. 0h! everybody has got a bottom. now you've made me laugh a lot in this conversation. was it a secret? did you keep it private? you talked about you weren't ready to tell people... mm. in the early stages. but has it been a secret? no, no. it has in terms of the press. no, i told you, but generally in terms of the press, no, i wouldn't go... i hadn't made any announcement and my agent had said, "we're not going to tell anyone, that's up to you." but when i met people, when i went to the voiceovers, they say, "ooh, what are you doing?" i said, "i'm not doing anything, i've had cancer actually, so i'm taking time out." and they all go... because cancer‘s still a...
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it really is. a shocking word. you are going to be 70 in a few days' time. iam. reaching your prime, julie. reaching my prime. middle aged. i'm going to live till i'm 1110, clearly. um, how do you reflect on turning 70? er, i kind of quite like it in a funny sort of way. i've never thought, "oh, my god, i'm 70." there is a little bit of that. god, 70, people will perceive it as old but i don't. it's the old adage, isn't it? it's how you feel. yeah. yeah, it's a time for reflection. it certainly is. i don't quite know exactly what's going to come out of all of these reflections... mm. but i feel, i've got... i'm 70, i've got here, great. yeah. it's not a bad age. oh, my gosh, it's brilliant. i'm so happy you're here. ah. i'm so happy you're here. thank you so much. it's a pleasure. my stomach‘s rumbling. it's functioning really, really well.
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i love that woman. if usa is, i absolutely adore julie walters, i love that woman. if usa is, i absolutely adorejulie walters, she has meant so much for me. thank you for the interview, a true british icon and legend. elizabeth says i lovejulie walters, i hope she stays well. marina, on twitter, wonderful julie, thank you for helping to inform others and i wish you well. mick has e—mailed and says a team create ago i was diagnosed with bowel cancer. unlike others who had changes to bowel habits like bleeding and vomiting, the only symptoms i had before diagnosis was exhaustion, which was unlike me. the shock, the soul—searching on the examination of life's priorities that followed between my wife and i reflected what i have seen in the interview between you and julie. sharon says i havejust interview between you and julie. sharon says i have just had a letter inviting me to attend bowel screening as i have turned 55. i was undecided, but this interview is made up my mind to go. thank you. a
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tweet, bless julie, made up my mind to go. thank you. a tweet, blessjulie, i hope she stays healthy, my husband lost his beautiful younger sister to this disease when she was a1. it's great to know the treatment and cure has made great leaps. pete says there isn't any need to be embarrassed, the staff are great. please be aware it could save you from the six letter word dreaded by everyone. ricky says i lost my dad to bowel cancer. julie is a national treasure, and i am so glad she has got the all clear. kevin revealed he has had a crush onjulie walters for about 35 years. so gorgeous, so funny, an actress of the greatest calibre. brilliant news on her being given the all clear after her cancer diagnosis. there are so many of those. julie walters is trending on twitter, in a good way. lots of you giving you her best wishes. if you
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have been affected, go to the action line. there are loads of organisations listed there that can help you. you can also call for free, 2a hours a day. we are going to talk now about an amazing rescue from flooding that hit large parts of england, wales and scotland. there are currently more than 110 flood warnings in place — six of them severe, which means there is a danger to life. this is a 61—year—old woman who had been trapped on the roof of a carfor 12 hours, in rising waters in monmouth. she was rescued by mark smith and geoff handley and his son adam. thank you very much for talking to
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us. thank you very much for talking to us. mark, you are the one that stripped off and waded in to rescue this woman? tell us what you did, mark. er... basically, we couldn't get through the bridge, because it was flooded, i could hear somebody down in the wood which turned out to bejeff shouting for help. myself and my colleague richard waded through the water, to get to the other side of the bridge, looked across the right, couldn't really make the car out but i could still hear geoff up in the wood. so, iwaded i could still hear geoff up in the wood. so, i waded as far as i could get. we had to cut up through the wood because it was really slippery. it was difficult to get through. we walked through, met up with geoff, asked what the problem was and the old lady i seen on the car, she was
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shoulding. it started off i got up in the morning and wanted to go for a walk because it was record levels and a lovely morning, and i was walking down, taking photographs on my phone and i could see see something down the flooded lain. it was only when i got closer i actually looked like, it actually looked like a person but you couldn't make her out, there was no move. then i realised she moved, and, she was in a very bad state and there was no way i could get in the water on my own, that would put me in great danger, sol water on my own, that would put me in great danger, so i needed some help, and hey, ifound a new in great danger, so i needed some help, and hey, i found a new friend and a great buddy. so i put my bikini on... laughter . no, laughter .no,| laughter . no, itook my laughter . no, i took my top off, waded out to her, got on the roof of the car. she was sort of half on the car, half in the water, so i managed to pull her up, sat there and just cuddled her basically, and, it
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seemed like forever and a day, because she was going in and out of consciousness, which, it was a bit worrying, because i was trying to hold her on the car, we kept slipping, so you can hold her on the car, we kept slipping, so you can imagine hold her on the car, we kept slipping, so you can imagine when the car was totally under water, then the fire engine turned up. so we made a decision then we needed to get her off the car and to the bank, so get her off the car and to the bank, so geoff and adam, they got into the water, lifted her off and we just managed to get her through the water and put her on the bank and put some warm clothes on her. go on adam. the hardest thing was getting her off the carand up hardest thing was getting her off the car and up the bank, because she was in and out of consciousness and kind of, to use a better word, like dead weight, and trying to get her up dead weight, and trying to get her up the bank which was muddy, seriously hard for us three. the water was up to about here, it was cold. and the woods, the bank is like this. very muddy and slippery and all overgrown with tree, so
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three of us and we are not small little people, but we only could just about get her out, of the flood, and up on the bank. as mark said, we basically undressed her, and then redressed her with our clothes which we had taken off to keep herwarm. i clothes which we had taken off to keep her warm. i i thought i would go back and get coffee from the house. so i ran back to the house and got extra blankets and a load of coffee for her and ran back through the woods but when i turned up, the fire brigade rescue gents were there and then, we got some coffee in her and then, we got some coffee in her and she seemed to perk up a bit.|j thought she was going to die. and she seemed to perk up a bit.|j thought she was going to dielj and she seemed to perk up a bit.|j thought she was going to die. i was going to say, you saved her life, you three. yes, but the story is about her surviving. it was a good ending. brilliant. geoff, if you
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hadn't spotted her, she had been on that roof for 12 hour, if you hadn't spotted her, that, things could have turned out so much worse. 10096. it was only because i could hear people down near the bridge which the only way to get there was to go through the wood that i saw her, i could see something down the lane, but couldn't work out what it was, because she was slumped on the roof of the car, and i think her body was partly in the car, because i have looked at it this morning because the waters have gone back. it was only hearing lots of people, thinking i am going to get through the woods, that i got closer and i realised it was her, thank god, and imean realised it was her, thank god, and i mean that, that mark and his pal richard helped and adam turned up, and, yeah, and the rescue services we re and, yeah, and the rescue services were outstanding. and they had to wait for a boat, that was the only way they were going to get her out. thank god for all three of you. thank god for all three of you. thank you for talking to us and
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telling the nation about the rescue that you undertook, and obviously, we wish the woman concerned all the best. thank you. yeah. thank you victoria. before you 90, yeah. thank you victoria. before you go, cani yeah. thank you victoria. before you go, can ijust say morning girls. who is that to mark? that was to kate, and my two girl, charlie and georgia. anyone else you want to say hello to while you are on national telly? how long we got? not very long. his wife in canada. so, and! long. his wife in canada. so, and i have made a new friend out of it as well, so that is brilliant. brilliant. he was texting me at 2.30 this morning, to tell me that it was on the front—page of the daily mirror. him with his shirt off. and i didn't know he had taken that photo, so i am going to sue him. great tats mark. thank you for coming on the programme. really appreciate it. mark smith. and geoff
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hanley and adam. hang on, and my mum. hi mum! 0h hanley and adam. hang on, and my mum. hi mum! oh my god. thank you. cheers gents. that is it now. you are telling me that's it! you are telling me that's it! for angus thomas and his wife, a holiday to dubai has become a mission to help nigerian women who are the victims of sex trafficking. the couple, from reading, have paid for one woman's flight back home and are now crowdfunding to free others. the united nations says thousands of women in africa are being trafficked every year. before the women leave nigeria many are made to undergo a juju, or black magic, ceremony in which they swear — on pain of death — to pay back their traffickers. we'll talk to angus thomas in a moment. but first, here's a clip from bbc south today's james ingham's report.
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just a month ago, this woman was a sex slave in dubai. now she is safely home in nigeria, thanks to this man, who lives thousands of miles away. did you think you would ever, ever be free?
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and let's talk live to angus thomas who you saw in that film and his daughter georgina moranee galicia, who's now helping him to rescue more of the trafficked women. so talk us through your duabi holiday when you first came across "aimee" and several other women who'd been forced into prostitution. so it was new year's eve and i i was having a coffee outside a hotel and there were lots of people dressed up in theirfinery going there were lots of people dressed up in their finery going off to party, andi in their finery going off to party, and i left the hotel to go to the supermarket, to get a bar of chocolate, and i just supermarket, to get a bar of chocolate, and ijust happened to say to a group of girls outside the hotel, you look fantastic, walked on my way and one of them chased after me, we got talking and i asked her if she was, she propositioned me and i asked if she was here of her own destroy legs and she turned out she wasn't, and i talked about you know, isaid do wasn't, and i talked about you know, i said do you want to go home? she said yes. i said if you are keen, text me and we can make a plan. i met her, photographed her passport and visa, what struck me was the ambivalence about going home. she
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didn't say yes, please, get me home, she was terrified about what would happen to her when she got back home, she was terrified about the spirits and her family home, she was terrified about the spirits and herfamily being damned forever, it was a difficult situation. what do you know of what happens in that ceremony, which effectively threatens them with death? interesting enough it is like a pairof death? interesting enough it is like a pair of spiritual handcuffs, so they do this initiation with menstrual blood and hair, there is chanting involved. i have got further into the subject and the christian pastors are very much involved in this and the first girl is very christian, she spent, studies religious study, till she was 18, goes to church and her pastor stood in the way of heifer going to identify her traffickers. right. georgina, what do yes think of what your dad is doing and why it, you are now involved? so i think
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it, you are now involved? so i think it is phenomenal to be honest, we see people, we hear of people every day going through hardships and it gets overwhelming, and so, you know i was proud of him to be doing what he is doing, and, it struck a chord with me, being a woman, women's issues are huge for me. you are a similar age. i am. to the women outside this hotel in dubai. i have never been to dubai. i know people go on holiday there, you can imagine that those women would have been spotted by lots of british tourists and actually you walk on by. you do. why did you end up helping paying for this woman to fly back home to nigeria? like in your last article, life turns on the smallest of incidents, and you know, from there, a blos soming career orfriendship can grow. i believe the moment for me was when she touched my arm, she
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held my arm and it was a lifeless, hopeless clammy cold even though it was hot touch, and there was no life. no energy in her touch. and i just knew that it was genuine, there and then, didn't understand why she wasn't enthusiastic to go home. right. | wasn't enthusiastic to go home. right. i mean these women are being trafficked, sold, for money effectively, to people who want to sleep with them in dubai, holiday—makers, they are sex slaves effectively forced into prostitution, are the authorities in dubai interested in helping them? well, when we got home, i did contact the dubai police helpline, and, it was out of order, i e—mailed three organises in dubai and didn't hear anything, so discovered an organisation in nigeria and john ronald is case officer has been superb in guiding us through the
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process , superb in guiding us through the process, and, yeah, mine they are great, but the big scandal, as a sub text to this is a lot of the girls are working in clubs that are owned by big hotel chain, i won't name any of them, but, you know, this is also a process that is being endorsed by western quoted companies. but these girls, you know, one of the reasons we are doing this, we set up a gofundme campaign which you can find at send them home.co.uk. we have three aims for that campaign, which is to rescue the other girls and we know of between 16 and 20 other girl, the second thing is to reintegrate them when they get home, they need help going through the process. and then we want to also educate, because this is the biggest part, is educating not only the girls, but their parents as well. because this problem is notjust with the two girls we had, they were, they were basically introduced to women who knew women, interesting
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enough, they were offered sales jobs, in dubai and these girls live in remote areas of edo state. sometimes the girls obviously, they have nothing i, they have no income, nojob, no prospects so have nothing i, they have no income, no job, no prospects so this have nothing i, they have no income, nojob, no prospects so this is have nothing i, they have no income, no job, no prospects so this is a lucrative thing for them to do. the pa rents a re lucrative thing for them to do. the parents are trafficking them. the pa rents parents are trafficking them. the pa re nts wa nt parents are trafficking them. the parents want the best for their daughter, they want money for themselves, and their motives are, tend to vary but it, greed can be one thing, sending money home to the families is another. the traffickers tell the girls they owe them money for the tickets, but what happens is that the traffickers are stealing credit cards, when the girls arrive they are told they owe them £10,000, if you translate that, that is being raped 200 times to buy your freedom. 0h raped 200 times to buy your freedom. oh my goodness. briefly, finally, georgina, is there any danger to you in and yourdad georgina, is there any danger to you in and your dad as you help these women? do you think about the
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possibility of reprisals from this smuggling gangs?” possibility of reprisals from this smuggling gangs? i am sure there is, but, ijust think the danger these women are in, the daily raping, if they don't earn enough money they have chilli powder rubbed into their vagina, ican't have chilli powder rubbed into their vagina, i can't fathom... that seriously happens? it happened to the first woman we got home, that is what was happening to her, which is why it is so important we urge anyone watching, visit send them home.co.uk. send as enough money we can get in. we know the women's names and we want to get them safe to their family, reintegrate them to their families and stop this happening. thank you both. and you can watch james ingham's full film at bbc.co.uk/berkshire.
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housing is a massive issue for some of you, which is why we cover it again and again. today there's news that over one million homes that have been given planning permission in the last ten years have not been built — that's out of a total of 2.5 million planned homes, according to the local government association. the lga is calling on the government to grant local councils extra powers that compel private property developers to actually build some houses after they've been given permission to develop. labour councillor darren rodwell is the leader of barking and dagenham council, home to one of the most deprived areas in england. he's also the housing and planning spokesperson for the local government association. reuben young is 27 and is from brighton. he says he's no closer to being able to afford his own home than he was when he started full time work six years ago. he works at a housing association called network home, and also runs pricedout, a group that campaigns
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for affordable housing. also here is andrew whitaker, planning director of the home builders federation — which represents the home building industry in england and wales. thank you for come on the programme. why aren't the homes being built? there is a number of reasons, but ultimately, it is the market is not working in the way it should be working, because they have to make a profit, and while government isn't giving us the right amount of funding to deliver the homes that the uk needs, that is going to make it harderfor my the uk needs, that is going to make it harder for my colleague here to get a home, at a price he can afford, and the last time we really sorted the housing crisis was when local government was able to be an active player, and we want to work with the private sector, as well as other associations, like housing associations, to deliver the homes that people need across the country. andrew, one million homes have been
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given planning permission in the last ten years, theyjust haven't been bill, do you accept that? they are being bill. if you grant a large planning consent you can't build overnight. the evidence shows time and time again and it was looked at by oliver letwin last year, that house builders don'tjust sit on planning permissions and not build them out. they have a programme that delivers home, including affordable homes as part 0 that planning permission. you don't accept this figure that one million homes haven't been built? we think the lga research is flawed in a number of way, all technical ways but we are concerned that we do get planning permission for housing, and that we need to build those houses out as quickly as we can, that requires local authorities to continue to do things in the planning realm, like discharge condition, agree drainage plan, do all sorts of work after
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they are have granted concern. do you agree councils are slow and bureaucratic and developers would like nothing more than building the homes? this is the government's data, all we did was look at it, and show what we have been saying for many years now, that local government is the hang up of the problem. the problem is the market. the president obama is not give getting enough money into the market, whether that be truly affordable homes or private home, local government, since 2010, for every pound we have now we have 35 pence, we are doing an astonishing job in making sure that planning is being given at the right time. we have be responsibility to build community, and make sure that our communities are safe. we don't have the responsibilities to make profits. i am not clear who is at fault here, obviously you are saying opposite things. ist will fault here, obviously you are saying opposite things.ist will bring in reuben from brighton lived in london for the last five year, you have rented rooms, in ten different
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properties, over that period. you are no closer to being able to afford your own home, do you think it is going to happen, how long will it is going to happen, how long will it take for you? like a lot of people my age house prices are so out of reach, the private rended sector is so expensive it makes saving hard. it is lunacy to say the planning system isn't to blame for that. isn't it insane every single home we build, is subject to a political approval process, in which residents get a say who by definition live in area about whether it gets built, the ben fishery that development, they don't get a say at all it is mad. who would you have make a quick and final decision? we should move the democracy up stream so local councils are ta ken democracy up stream so local councils are taken out of the decision but we can vote on plans
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that determine whether the developments can be built. you are shaking your head. i am leader of the community, that community has to put up with a lot. at the moment, as you said earlier, i live in one of the most deprived areas of the country, those people are struggling to make ends meet. what we need is not big developments being forced on people, what we need is the the right infrastructure to deliver what the existing community want and need, and while introducing new community, i live on the beckon tree estate. it is 100 years old. we brought the africa into that estate, the park, education facility, they built 27,000 homes in 12 year, if they could do it one 00 years ago we can do it today. we need the right tools to make that happen. can do it today. we need the right tools to make that happenlj can do it today. we need the right tools to make that happen. i am not clear why houses aren't being built. because with this conversation has not talked about a lack of land, so what. .. not talked about a lack of land, so what... it is the lack of
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development land. in london... if the news today from the government is true that is one million homes have been given permission and haven't been built. they could only be given permission if there is land. i wants to know the answer to that question. i can go out tomorrow. why aren't they being built, can someone help me. there isn't the money in the system. to do what? property developers pay for that. the person who pays is person looking for that home. if people can't afford the live in london that will slow down the housing market. forgive me, you build them, so you pay for it, and then you sell them to people like reuben. that is right. last year we had 240,000 net additions to the housing stock. that requires more planning consents to come through the system, there is a lag between granting and planning
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consent and seeing a completed building. the trajectory is on the right path, we are increasing housing output, because of a lot of pressures that have been put on local government, to ensure that they have a five year housing land supply that is deliverable, to show they are delivering against that supply. this is what the government say. last year we delivered more homes than any time in the last 30 yea rs homes than any time in the last 30 years and we are going further to deliver much—needed new homes. this includes making the planning system faster, more responsive, and more certain for all users, go on ruiner. the reason the gap exists is because people buy land, because they expect it to increase in value. so the reason it increases in value is because land for housing is rationed by our backward planning system. you can't get away from that. so people buy land and sit on it for a bit. they may be current land owners, you
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don't need to own land you don't need to have intention of building home, the reason speculation is rife is because land is rationed. 0k. is because land is rationed. ok. i have to leave it there. sorry, you took a deep breath and probably something profound was going to come out. it is people suffering because the housing market is broken and it has been for a0 year, through the right to buy to where we are today and what we need to do is start building homes that everyone can afford. thank you very much all of you. how long do you reckon it will take for you reuben? no idea. thank you all. staff at 7a universities across the uk are beginning a 1a—day strike over pensions and pay and conditions. the university and college union estimated more than a million students will be affected. this latest strike follows eight
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days of industrial action in november and december and action earlier last year, meaning some students face disruption for the third time. the universities say strikes are not the way forward and have promised to do all they can to minimise the impact of industrial action on students. let's talk now tojo grady, who is a lecturer and the general secretary of the university and college union, and tom barton, a student at sheffield hallam university, who's started a petition asking for the uni to give students compensation of £863.33 for the 1a days of strike action between today and 13th march. welcome both of you. jo, what is this strike about? so there is two strikes but the one i think is of most interest to students is the pay and equality dispute, so the, the real details about that is the extent to which staff in universities are underpaid but are really suffering from a result of gender pay gaps, ethnicity pay gaps which run at 15 and 1a %.
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unmanageable work loads but the extent of casual lose hissed contracts which lead to insecure working lives for a lot of people who deliver services. tom what is the impact on students. on me, i am in my finalyearso the impact on students. on me, i am in my final year sol the impact on students. on me, i am in my final year so i am doing dissertation, my deadlines are due ina few dissertation, my deadlines are due in a few months, it knocks two weeks off my deadline. what do you think off my deadline. what do you think of that? it is frustrating. it means we have to rush out and do a lot more work, my course is course work based so i have to go out and do stuff and get work like that, rather than having to sit in my room and write. how much do you pay for your tuition fees each year? 9250. you wa nt tuition fees each year? 9250. you want some of that back because of the strike? yes if you paid for a hotel for ten days and you got seven days you would be entitled to ask for compensation right.|j days you would be entitled to ask for compensation right. i think stu d e nts for compensation right. i think students taking an interest is
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important. during the 1a days some big universities they £1a days some big universities they £1a days some big universities they could say over one million in pay deductions and stu d e nts one million in pay deductions and students should ask where that money is going. as frustrating as it is for students, i am sure they would be frustrated if they knew their favourite lecturers might not get employed next year because think are in insecure contacts, i know that stu d e nts in insecure contacts, i know that students when they are asked, it is not incompatible to say they want compensating but to say their support the action. do you support the action. that is something i want to make a big point of, we completely support the tutor, it is just a case of, we support them but we also support ourselves and we want. compensation for ourselves because we are missing out. how disruptive of previous strikes been? massively. i think i have got a worse grade because of it, because i couldn't get my work checked in time and the deadline was right after it finished, so, icould and the deadline was right after it finished, so, i could have got more feedback on that, a better grade so
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it has affected people.|j feedback on that, a better grade so it has affected people. i mean, do you feel guilty about that?” it has affected people. i mean, do you feel guilty about that? i think, the conversation has to be that... do you feel guilty about that. anybody who teaches students would would say that does not pull at their hard string, as south africa we have universities are some of the most exploitative employers in the uk. they have never spent less of their michelle obama on staff as they do now. i have been looking at they do now. i have been looking at the pen shin scheme, which haven't got that much time, and the employers contribute 21.1% to your members pension scheme, i mean, where can you find a pension scheme like that? the staff contribute 9.6 at the minute. minute. the reason we are in dispute is that spiralling costs which employers have no worked with us to keep down, are pricing people out of the scheme. 15% have opted out that scheme which is higher than any other, it is the types of people who are teaching tom, it is people who can't afford
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to say in in the sector, who live it and are standing up for their rights. this is the third lot of industrial action, is? going rights. this is the third lot of industrialaction, is? going to rights. this is the third lot of industrial action, is? going to be successful we hope that employers are stand up and listen and this is one last push. thank you. good luck with the last few weeks of your degree. thanks for you company. thanks for you company. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. hi there. good morning we have had heavy rain moving in across northern and western areas, this heavy rain is gradually moving its way south and east, but this is the rainfall radarfrom this morning, within this really torrential rain for a time and gusty winds, as it moves its way
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to the south—east, and will continue to the south—east, and will continue to see that rain in the south—east by this afternoon. elsewhere, there will be sunny spells developing, there is showers that will be wintry in scotland, northern ireland, as temperatures drop away, so these are typical values later on about three to seven degrees celsius. that rain will clear away into the south—east and overnight there will be clear skies in southern areas but further rain spreads into scotland and northern ireland, into friday morning, temperatures here will start to rise, but, quite chilly across the south. more rain into northern ireland, rain for northernening and and parts of wales, stronger gusty winds for all, particularly to the east of the pennines and the north—west of scotland.
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you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11.00am and these are the main stories this morning: nine people are dead after shootings at two shisha bars in germany. the suspect has been found dead alongside the body of his mother. i heard a loud shooting. bang, bang, bang! everybody scream and much panic. britons quarantined for coronavirus on a cruise ship injapan will be flown home tomorrow, as deaths of two japanese passengers onboard are confirmed. communities already hit by flooding brace themselves, as more heavy rain is forecast across parts of the uk. fortunately, i make a lot of money.

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