hello, it's friday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. and we're live from new broadcasting house as the number of under 305 being admitted to hospital for self harming more than doubles in ten years — there are strong warnings that lives are being put at risk by the lottery for treatment. this man, simon, was first admitted to hospital when he was 25 and has tried to take his own life many times. we'll ask him about the care and support he's received. the mum of murdered backpacker grace millane confronts her killer in court — talking about the terror and pain she must have experienced at his hand you walked into our lives and destroyed grace in the pursuit of

your own sexual gratification. laura whitmore and her boyfriend plead with a photographer to stop taking their photo, as they're reunited for the first time since the death of their friend caroline flack. please don't take any pictures, do you want to take a reaction shot? we'll be talking to kerry katona about her experiences with the snappers, as well as one of the country's leading celebrity photographers. tyson fury meets deontay wilder in las vegas on saturday in the much—anticipated rematch between the two for the wbc heavyweight title. hi and welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning.

you can get in touch with us and all the stories we are talking about. use the hashtag victoria live. email victoria@bbc.co.uk ; text 61124 — it'll cost the standard network rate. first, annita mcveigh has the news. chloe, good morning. thank you. good morning, everyone. the man convicted of killing a british backpacker in new zealand has been sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 17 yea rs. grace millane was murdered on the eve of her 22nd birthday in 2018 while on a date with the man — who cannot be named for legal reasons. grace's mother who spoke to the court via a video—link said she was heartbroken that she never had the chance to kiss her daughter goodbye. her tragic life cut short by euro woeful, cruel actions. you took it upon yourself to murder my beautiful grace, an innocent young lady. on a daily basis i torment myself over

what you did to my grace. lives are being put at risk because of a so—called treatment lottery in healthcare for people who have self—harmed or been suicidal, experts have warned. latest nhs data shows hospital admissions for self—harming in the under 30s has more than doubled in the past 10 years. the royal college of psychiatrists is calling for patients to be given a specific assessment to reduce repeated self—harm as well as a safety plan. we'll have more on this in the programme. vigils have been held in germany to remember the nine victims of a shooting in the town of hanau. tens of thousands of people attended the vigils. a far—right extremist opened fire on two shisha bars on wednesday evening. the shooting is being treated as an act of terrorism. police are continuing to question a man on suspicion of attempted murder after a stabbing inside a london mosque. the victim, in his 70s, was injured in an attack at london central mosque, near regent's park. he was taken to hospital by paramedics where his condition

is non—life threatening. police are not treating the attack as terror—related. dozens of protesters in a ukrainian town have attacked buses carrying evacuees from coronavirus—hit china. the evacuees were brought to the hospital in the central poltava region, where they will be held in quarantine for 1h days. ukrainian officials said a fake email claiming to be from the health ministry falsely said some evacuees had contracted the virus. the sale of coal and some types of wood for open fires and stoves will be banned in england from next february, as part of the government's efforts to cut air pollution. instead, people will have to buy "smokeless" coal or wood that has been seasoned or dried in kilns. wood—burners and coal fires are the largest source of an air pollutant which can cause lung cancer, stroke and asthma. actorjune brown has announced that she has left eastenders, after 35 years of playing chain—smoking albert square

favourite, dot cotton. she arrived on the square shortly after the soap began in 1985, and apart from a break between 1993 and 1997, has been part of the main cast ever since. june says she has departed the programme "for good" but eastenders say the door remains open for her to return. a young manchester united fan who made a bid to stop liverpool winning the title has received a personal reply from jurgen klopp. daragh curley, from county donegal, wrote to the liverpool boss for a school assignment. the 10—year—old asked if it would be possible for liverpool to lose some games so they would not win the league. klopp wrote back, praising daragh's passion, but explaining liverpool could not drop points on his behalf. liverpool are on course to win the premier league and have not lost a league fixture so far this season. but you cannot blame a ten—year—old

fan for trying. what a lovely story! chloe, back to you. hospital admissions for self—harming in the under 30s has more than doubled in the past 10 years, latest nhs data shows. the royal college of psychiatrists is today warning that lives are being put at risk because of the ‘treatment lottery‘ facing self—harming and suicidal patients. they want all acute hospitals to provide safety plans and psychosocial assessments. they say those assessements are shown to lessen the risk of suicide, and half the chances of the harm being repeated. they are also calling for closer working between hospitals and community mental health teams after someone's treatment has finished. let's talk to simon rose — he has tried to take his own life on a number of occasions and was first admitted to hospital aged 25. and also with us is dr rachel gibbons — consultant psychiatrist and incoming chairof the patient safety group. thank you both are coming in. simon, we said there you've tried to take

your life on the number of occasions. since you were 25. is there something that you would say has been a particular triggerfor you? to be fair, i think there is but i think it's complicated, i think it's a range of factors. largely around feeling inferior, feeling people would be better off ifi feeling people would be better off if i wasn't around. fortunately i've been on the straight and narrow as it were for the past six years, although i still receive support from a community mental health team. presumably that is vital to you? without the support i've got over the years, i probably wouldn't be around now, to be fair. tell us about the range of treatment you've received in those crisis moments, when you've gone into hospital, i'm assuming some has been very good and some not so good? yes, at its best

it's collaborative, it works with me so it's collaborative, it works with me so that as it's collaborative, it works with me so that... as i, i it's collaborative, it works with me so that as i, i don't get better ina straight line, so that as i, i don't get better in a straight line, sometimes it's two steps forward and one step back. the services work best when there's something in place for me to know what to do when i take that one step back and that has to be personal, it has to be individualised. at its worst, you feel like a number, you feel as though you are wasting everybody ‘s time. and you feel like you are a burden to the staff and it's largely staff attitude that controls that. do you think that comes down to training, those bad experiences, and the good experiences, and the good experiences, equally?” experiences, and the good experiences, equally? ithink training has a role to play but certainly it's not all training. for example, we were having a discussion earlier, if i'd met simon in an a&e

department, if i was working in a&e andl department, if i was working in a&e and i was feeling stressed and overwhelmed and had a lot of people to see on a saturday night i might not have the time or the mental capacity or the emotional capacity to be able to work with simon and sit down with him and have a think about what has brought him in this state of distress to accident and emergency at this time.” state of distress to accident and emergency at this time. i think it's really important it's acknowledged that those interactions aren't neutral. so at the time when i'm really low, struggling, i look for things to reinforce a really negative view of myself. if you present as a staff member who hasn't got the time, isn't interested, wa nts to got the time, isn't interested, wants to be with the person next door, that's not a neutral experience, that will increase my risk rather than decrease it. on the other hand, if you've got the time, skills, attitude, you work in a culture it's ok to spend time with me, that almost, that makes it harderfor me to me, that almost, that makes it harder for me to reinforce the bad

things about myself, it increases my safety. the actual act of reviewing and assessing isn't neutral in itself. what we are arguing, the royal college, is this is an absolutely key time, you've got an opportunity when someone is presenting with self— harm opportunity when someone is presenting with self—harm to engage and exactly right, if you engage in and exactly right, if you engage in a helpful and thoughtful way, a psychosocial assessment means to have time to sit down, to really think about what does this mean for this person at this time? self—harm is very complicated, doesn't mean one thing, it doesn't even mean one thing for one person, it's a very itcan thing for one person, it's a very it can mean i've had a very serious loss event and i'm not coping, it means i'm very frustrated in my relationship, it can mean i'm totally hopeless, and i don't want totally hopeless, and i don't want to live any more, but it will be absolutely an individual, and individual expression and to have the time to think about that and think about for example with simon, what it meant to him at that point and to help them work with that,

using my expertise and his experience, to try and work on something that will be relevant and meaningful for him. it's what's really important. simon, let's talk about these safety plans, you have a safety plan in place, that's your input, you are working with a medical professional to come up with a strategy, essentially? it depends. every interaction that i have other professional, risk is assessed and recorded, what i would look for is something more than that so it's an actual plan to keep me safe, it's a plant that we've worked out together that's specific to me so telling me to go for a walk if i struggle, i'm not going to engage with. but if we had a conversation about it and i know i'm going to go to a walk for this war, dislike, look at this view, it's helpful, that is personal to me but you've got to have the time, the space and attitude to have those conversations. as the doctor

said, everybody presents in an individual way. you've got to understand that individual, it has to be driven by the person themselves. the problem is, as you've identified, both of you, sometimes when you go to a&e, you are not going to find somebody who is there as a mental health support. are you saying there needs to literally beat one person and that is their solejob in literally beat one person and that is their sole job in a&e, to support people because i'm wondering if that's realistic in the financial constraints within the nhs?” that's realistic in the financial constraints within the nhs? i don't think we are prescribing any one solution to this, it's to try and shift a bit or to think about a cultural change, to try and have an idea about what should be expected, but someone who is presenting with self— harm can expect but someone who is presenting with self—harm can expect but but someone who is presenting with self— harm can expect but also but someone who is presenting with self—harm can expect but also it's a cultural change within the system, to say, actually, we need to take this as an opportunity and try and engage ina this as an opportunity and try and engage in a meaningful way so simon has mentioned risk assessments, at

the moment there is an emphasis on a risk assessment which i don't think there is much evidence without being particularly helpful at the moment. there is evidence for being helpful is sitting down and having a discussion and working through something together and to produce a safety plan which would be something we would do together, i'd be able to share my expertise, simon would share my expertise, simon would share his experience and he would be able to take that away with him and when he's next in a crisis and when you are in a crisis, you cannot think and you are overwhelmed, to have something that he's worked on with a professional before it can help him think in that situation and hold on to the fact that he is cared for, there are people around him that matter and that care about him, it's very important. i think the idea that when you are in a self harming and suicidal crisis, you can feel that nobody cares that can be a really key issue so having this sort of experience in a&e when someone is too busy, can give you the communication that we don't care and

thatis communication that we don't care and that is a very important message. so to show that eyecare can make all the difference. simon, you talked about the effect it had, if there is an overstretched member of staff in a&e and they are giving out the vibe, even though i am sure they are not thinking it, they don't have time for you, you talk to so eloquently about the effect it has a new but i am guessing, doctor, it's not good for staff, they are there and want to help people but it's not making either side feel good. no, it really isn't. and i think providing someone really isn't. and i think providing someone with training, part of the difficulties with stop that may be working on the front line in a&e, is when someone presents with self— harm, when someone presents with self—harm, there when someone presents with self— harm, there is when someone presents with self—harm, there is not an easy solution and they might feel they don't have the skills or expertise to engage. something about this training in psychosocial assessment and safety planning we give people the tools and confidence with which to engage. i want to read a statement well, i would come if my ta blet wa kes statement well, i would come if my tablet wakes up in time, to give you the statement which has come from

the statement which has come from the nhs england saying in the past three years as part of our long—term plan we've invested to ensure every general hospital now has expert mental health teams on hand for patients who have self harmed. we are investing patients who have self harmed. we a re investing 24/7 patients who have self harmed. we are investing 24/7 community crisis teams in every area to support people who are risk of suicide. the nhs has recently launched a scheme to make sure patients who have self receive comprehensive assessment and jointly produce care and safety plan after attending a&e. how do you respond to that, simon?” after attending a&e. how do you respond to that, simon? i think it's nice in theory. and to be fair, there is new money coming into mental health and i absolutely applaud it but the problem as i see it, the new money is coming in specifically to new services, if you receive care from an existing service that service is still understaffed on the front line, there is still not enough resource, in a&e there are still people waiting on trolleys, in corridors, you know, as i say, with me, if i'm

feeling that my life is worthless and that people would be better off ifiam and that people would be better off if i am not there, if i'm lying on a trolley four hours with physically ill people around me, it is reinforcing the message. we have a choice, i think we either send a message to say your way of thinking is flawed or we reinforce it and by doing things badly what we are doing is reinforcing that negative perception that i got of myself. we we re perception that i got of myself. we were talking at the beginning about these latest figures for hospital admissions showing for the under 30s who self—harm it's more than doubled in the last ten years. i'm interested to know from both of you for you think that is? i think from my point of view it is unbelievably complex, i don't think there's anyone reason. i think young people are underfar anyone reason. i think young people are under far more anyone reason. i think young people are underfar more pressure anyone reason. i think young people are under far more pressure than they've ever been under before. and

i don't think that helps. i also think is almost an unintended consequence of all the anti—stigma work it's become almost an accepted way of dealing with distress so it's almost become trendy, it's a very visible way of coping were perhaps more helpful ways are brushed under the carpet a bit. and i suppose, i don't know whether it's more people are seeking help, the stigma is reducing a more people are seeking help. but also i think there is something to be said about a culture around blame and fault that might mean professionals working in primary care, for example, might feel very concerned about working with someone who is self harming and refer them to secondary services or to the a&e department, for example. so referrals to secondary mental health care have significantly increased overall. as far as i

understand. in your experience, you talked about the mix and care that you had when you present at a&e but you had when you present at a&e but you were talking about how helpful it's been, the community support that you had. has not always been the case? it hasn't but it is getting better. ithink the case? it hasn't but it is getting better. i think about a scheme in derbyshire that's been running perhaps for the last 12 months. community nurses, doctors, patients, all get together and run or walk for a mile and a half around a park. that sense of identity, that sense of community, that sense of belonging can be really important, if you think about a community mental health team, it needs to engage with the community and it needs its service users to engage with the community as well. and what about money, how much of this is down to money and how much of it is about changing the approaches within the nhs? i think it's both. i think

money, without really thinking about the services, the culture, isn't going to be worth an awful lot and trying to change the culture without really having the finances and the financial support for it is not going to help either. sol financial support for it is not going to help either. so i think it's a cultural change, and also there is need for resources. and i think it's also important to recognise that ultimately, the person that keeps me safe as me. professionals can help, family can help, community can help, but it has to bea help, community can help, but it has to be a support from me, around me and focused on my individual history and focused on my individual history and needs. and we are very much on the same page about this, it's about a shared responsibility, simon has responsibility for looking after himself and keeping himself safe, i cannot do that but i have responsibility for working with him in the way that i've been trained to do, to help with that and the system has a responsibility to provide me

with enough space so that i can work with enough space so that i can work with simon. simon, before we draw this to a close, how are you doing right now? i'm feeling really good. good. probably in the best place i've been, i've got a family who i love very much and are really supportive, i'm working, i'm doing the things that i want to do with my life, i make no promises that i'm not going to crash again in the future. but for me, i kind of think i'm entitled to believe when i crash or if i'm entitled to believe when i crash orifi i'm entitled to believe when i crash or if i crash, there are personal centred support is available to help me through. it's good to hear, thank you both so much for taking the time to speak to us. and if you're affected by any of the issues we've been talking about, there information and support is available from bbc action line, and there's the number for you on the screen now. lines are open 24 hours a day and are free of charge.

coming up later in the programme... as the killer of grace millane is jailed in new zealand, the british backpacker‘s mother tells him "you've ripped a hole in my heart". we'll hear what happened in court. and i'll be speaking to former atomic kitten star kerry katona about how far the paparazzi should be allowed to go in the wake of the death of caroline flack. loneliness is a problem we often associate with the elderly, but in some countries including the uk and the us, the latest research suggests young people are even more at risk. it's a big issue in sweden too, where it's common to live alone as soon as you leave school. more than half of all homes have just one occupant. but the southern swedish city of helsingborg is testing a different kind of living, as maddy savage has been finding out. her film is part of crossing divides, a bbc season bringing people together in a fragmented world. she is a really fun person, and she has taught me a lot about her life. so i think it's fun.

loneliness is a big issue in sweden that affects both the young and the old. more than half of all homes have just one occupant and it is common to live alone after leaving school. i was kind of lonely when i was living alone. like, i worked my eight hours, went home, ate, and went again. i got more depressed. i had a very comfortable life but it was so lonely. there were days when i didn't speak to anybody and you get a bit odd. this block of flats in helsingborg is trying to solve the problem. only people under 25 or pensioners can rent here. and there is an unusual clause in their contract. they have to spend two hours a week together.

it's run by a housing company funded by the city council. the young people can bring to the elderly the energy, the know—how, you know, the managed information floats that you have around in society. we hope that elderly people will bring to the youngsters a little bit of history, of how things were before. the building is a former retirement home that's been given a revamp. there are loads of shared spaces designed to get people socialising. you can cook, do arts and crafts, exercise, or play games together. yeah. we have seen that younger, as well as elderly people are trying

to make contact to each other and succeed. we didn't have to do anything. it was exactly what we wanted. two of the tenants who have made friends are gunil and thea. thea has helped me very much with my computer and with tv. i feel much better. she is a really fun person. she has taught me a lot about her life. i think it is fun. yeah, i do it forfun. staff will have a word with those who don't socialise but so far everyone seems to be making an effort. there have been a few small conflicts in the washing room.

someone took another one's time. little, small conflicts but it doesn't do much. more than 70 tenants have moved in since november. managers hope to open more homes like this in future. we hope it will also be a saving for the society because, as they are happier, they will be less sick. they will go less to the doctor. we really hope that it will succeed, not only here in helsingborg but all over sweden and maybe in other parts the world. maddy savage reporting. you can find more stories about crossing divides at the bbc website — bbc. co. uk/crossingdivides the mother of the british backpacker grace millane — who was murdered in new zealand in 2018 — has her told her killer he has ripped a hole in her heart.

she relayed her message to the court in auckland via a videolink, as the 28—year—old man convicted of her murder was jailed for life. he cannot be named for legal reasons. grace met the man on a dating app on the eve of her 22nd birthday. within hours of their first date, he'd murdered her. gillian millane read out a victim impact statement saying she was distraught for not being able to protect her daughter. her tragic life cut short by yourwilful, cruelactions.

our correspondent shaimaa khalil was in court for the sentencing. when grace millane's mother gillian millane started talking and making her statement, including addressing the killer, as you've just shown, directly, many people were in tears, including the killer himself. this is the most emotional we've seen him. when he was watching grace's mother speak to him directly, he bent his head and looked like he was wiping a tear. other member of grace's family also spoke today. her brother declan said that when grace was killed, the killer did not only take her life but he took part of his as well and he spoke about his mental health being a real issue after his little sister's death.

both the prosecution and the defence then made their arguments and then the judge passed sentence. 17 years without parole in a life sentencing, ending the case that shocked the nation here in new zealand but also devastated grace's family. television presenter and friend of caroline flack, laura whitmore, clashed with a photographer yesterday in an incident filmed by her boyfriend. the love island presenter — who took over after caroline flack stepped down in the wake of her arrest for assault — was in cape town airport with partner iain stirling, who also works on the show. she said the paparazzo continued taking photos of them after they had asked him to stop, explaining this was the first time they'd seen each other since their friends death and that they were mourning her. she posted the video on her instagram account.

it is on my twitter now. well, that incident led to celebrities and others on social media criticising the paparazzi for going too far. but how far is too far? joining us now is celebrity and former atomic kitten singer kerry katona, who's had many a run in with the paps. thank you ever so much for speaking to us today. for people who have never had the paparazzi following them, give us an idea of, at its height, what life was like for you. with a outside your home all the time? give us an average day. an

average day for me was opening my front door and having about 30 paparazzi sat outside my house on a bench. my house is on a corner in wilmslow and i have no gates, u nfortu nately, wilmslow and i have no gates, unfortunately, so much so that i had to climb over my back gate to take my children to the park so that they didn't follow me. i have been driving my car and had almost near death experiences, i have had them hide in my bushes. it was actually after we got burgled and i was still ina bit after we got burgled and i was still in a bit of shock from it and one of this paparazzi he had in my bushes in my garden to take a picture of me. they have slept in cars outside my house. it can be quite daunting to know that you are constantly being followed. it is not that much fall on for me any more, like it used to be. i live in a private estate now that is gated so they can't really get to me as much and i'm not on the circuit as much as i used to be due to the paparazzi, but

it can be really daunting, quite scary. i wanted to ask the impact it has on you, on your mental health but also on your family. you talk about not being able to take your kids to the park easily. my elder daughter molly, we went to just a normal service station, got out and in the next thing in the daily mail, there are pictures of me and molly. molly is 18 now and you know how teenagers are, they don't want a picture of a certain way. if they do a selfie, they do it a million and one times and they are capturing my molly at an awkward angle, that is affecting her. mental health wise for me, not only the paparazzi but also the media, there were times that i actually wanted to take my own life, especially after the incident on this morning in 11 years ago, when they thought i was drunk and it was down to my bipolar medication and no one knew i was bipolar at that point. when i drove back to my house in wilmslow, there we re back to my house in wilmslow, there were 40 photographers outside my house, there were camera crews from

the news outside my house. i went inside and i felt like a prisoner in my own home. i wanted to take my own life. you can't move and especially at night—time, if you are out and about in london, which is very rare for me, if you are leaving an event and it is night time and you have several paparazzi flashing their cameras and you pull a funny face the cameras are so right, next thing, front cover of a magazine, car crash carey, drunk, leaving a club, blurry eyed and that is all just me from one flash because it is so bright, you can't see where you are walking at the next thing you know, they are turning it into a story that isn't even true. for people who don't understand how the paparazzi works, just explain to us, did you ever work with them? did you ever set up incidents where you say iam going ever set up incidents where you say i am going to be at this place at this time, come and take pictures,

to benefit your career? yes, 100%. there to benefit your career? yes, 10096. there have been many times that for me, for so long, i had a million and one paparazzi following me, whether it was going to the shop, dropping my kids off at the school come to the point where i learned how to control it myself, to the point where i would do something and i would make sure i would only have one paparazzi there, so it is not a million of them, because if people know where i am going and i have 30 photographers following me, it is insane. it is actually embarrassing to walk down the street and people thing, look at that celebrity, that the list —— that d lister, you can't go anywhere so what i did, which many have done, is go to an individual agency and you are in control and only one person will ta ke control and only one person will take a picture, so you are not walking down the street with your children, going to do your food shopping with a million paparazzi following you and it has worked to

my advantage, because no other paparazzi know that is how i work. this isn't all the time, if i have a big event and i know paparazzi will be there or something has happened in my life that i need to control, because i don't want to be walking down the street with a million paparazzi. it is not only embarrassing, it affects you. i want to leave my house, i want to go out without make—up on, i want to wear what i want, i want to be seen with who i want. in private, i want to do my own things. once they take a picture, they can go. laura whitmore, what has just happened with her, that is not about being a paparazzi, that is about being a human being as well. you know, if you allow these paparazzi to co nsta ntly ta ke pictures you allow these paparazzi to constantly take pictures all the time, it is an absolute nightmare. you may be paparazzi but is he not a human being as well? it crosses the line where you are doing a job but also, where are the moral is going in society today? it is crazy, the

way he reacted to her is absolutely... i can't get my head around how that has happened. did you ever get paid from the paparazzi, when you agreed to go out and say i am going to be in this place and one paparazzi would appear, did you get a cut for those photos? yes, so i am a very open and honest person, so what would happen is, let's say i lost loads of weight andi is, let's say i lost loads of weight and i go out training, the one thing i don't like is when people, especially if you are in a restau ra nt especially if you are in a restaurant and you are eating, and someone restaurant and you are eating, and someone takes a picture of you, i find that so very rude with the paparazzi. i would rather work with the paparazzi, say there is your picture and leave me alone and yes i get paid for it, i have five kids to feed. it is tricky because then where is the line because it is helping your career, you are making money out of it and you are saying come and see me looking like i have lost loads of weight, working out in the park, i will get some cash but

when i'm having a bad time, i don't wa nt when i'm having a bad time, i don't want you on the doorstep. it doesn't work like that. at the end of the day, this is my life so i can decide what goes on in my life. if i don't wa nt what goes on in my life. if i don't want a picture taken, i don't have to. if i want my picture taken, i will have my picture taken because this is my life, i decide what i wa nt to this is my life, i decide what i want to go on in my life, as you do, as everybody else does. joe blogs on the street doesn't want to be in a group photo then he doesn't have to be in group photo then he doesn't have to beina group photo then he doesn't have to be in a group photo. whether he was in the picture 20 minutes before doing a selfie, that is his choice, his decision because it is an individual‘s light and a decision and what i want in my life, that is how i see it, my decision. just because i say, ok, i will do this with you know, that doesn't give you the right then you can take pictures of me whenever you want. i don't think it does because it is my life and my world and how i work. do you think the fault here lies with the

paparazzi who are, as you say, taking pictures of laura whitmore in that cape town airport yesterday, or do you think the fault lies with the members of the public who will then go and buy those magazines? because if they weren't going to be bought, surely the pictures wouldn't be taken in the first place. it is such a hard thing, isn't it chris watt there are so many aspects to it and, again, i have worked with so many magazines, i will not lie about any of this, there is a push and pull relationship. if i want to promote something, the first thing you do is an interview with one of the gossip magazines or the newspapers, whether iam magazines or the newspapers, whether i am working with a company and they wa nt to i am working with a company and they want to highlight it, a mental health illness, and i want to highlight that situation, where do we go to get heard? we go to a newspaper or we go to a magazine, so i get that. so when we are trying to spread i get that. so when we are trying to spread awareness, we i get that. so when we are trying to spread awareness, we need publications so i understand that andi publications so i understand that and i get that, but is where does that line stop with what they are

actually writing, where it isn't our voice involved in it? i know i have beenin voice involved in it? i know i have been in the doctor's surgery and picture magazine up, open it and read something about caroline flack or about katy price or cheryl cole and as! or about katy price or cheryl cole and as i am reading it, i am com pletely and as i am reading it, i am completely sucked into this story, com pletely completely sucked into this story, completely sucked into this story, completely sucked into this story, completely sucked into it, oh, my goodness, can't believe that, and i have been taken away from my reality of my own world. i have bought into it. then i have turned the page and read something about myself and gone, well, that is a load of rubbish, so how i learned to deal with it for 21 years, there have been many stories where i have read something about myself and felt suicidal over it. until i got to the age of 36, three years ago, that i learned that if these people are reading these magazines and they are in the hairdressers or it is taking them away from their own reality, i thought well, that is my good deed for the day. that is how i mentally

had to cope that people are reading stuff about me that his car crash and extremely bad and even though it is affecting my mental health, it is helping them get out of their reality. so i understand why people do buy these gossip magazines. for some reason, we live in a crazy world where watching somebody fall isa world where watching somebody fall is a reminder that we are not on our own and that is not a really good way to be. for me, women and men, we should be straightening each other‘s ran, not revelling in others falling down. you have led us right on perfectly to the next guest, who is going to speak about this and i would be interested to get your take on this. vicki hoskin is one of a number of hairdressers who say they're boycotting celebrity magazines in their salons over the publication of what she says are intrusive photos. we can speak to her now. vicki, good to have you won. i don't know how much you heard of kerry speaking to us, she will sit and read about

celebrities in these magazines and get drawn into it, turn the page and see something written about her and she says that is nonsense and suddenly realises the craziness of these magazines. is that what you said enough is enough? yes, it is and it is one of those things that gossip magazines, they like scandals, stories about personal lives, celebrities and other individuals, invading privacy, body shaming, sharing rumours, advertising personal problems, disrespecting clothing choices and you get the odd snipe about cellulite, cosmetic surgery and the behaviour of complete strangers who are obviously in the public eye but we do not personally know them. we do not know anything about their lives other than the stuff that is presented in these magazines and the negativity bred in them i personally don't think it's healthy at all. one's mental health. what has been the feedback from your customers? it's been brilliant. i am in work

now and the ladies here fully supported, which is wonderful. kerry, i can see you nodding away, particularly when vicki was talking about body shaming pictures, the pictures of the cellulite, the circles that they like to put around bits that we all have on our bodies put plastered on the pages of magazines. what you think about what vicki is doing? i think it is really good, there are many times i have been to the hairdressers and picked a magazine up with me on the front cover to see what i have been up to. they seem to know more about me than i actually do. but i think it is really amazing, i don't understand why we can't go to a hairdressing shop and read a fitness magazine or an interior magazine and get ideas. why can it not be a positive piece that you notice about celebrities because the market is always drama and always something negative. now, i know i am and always something negative. now, iknowiama

and always something negative. now, i know i am a good person, i know i've had my problems but i also know how i am perceived in the public eye, car crash kerry, the drug thing, the mental health, the marriages and i know that if you have a perception of the person who iam, that have a perception of the person who i am, that is because of the magazines you are reading. i will be honest, i have read about other celebrities i have never met in my life and i understand but i know when i meet them, they are nothing like i expect. i hope you forgive me forjumping in, your like i expect. i hope you forgive me for jumping in, your skype like i expect. i hope you forgive me forjumping in, your skype has suddenly gone a bit robotic and we are struggling to see and hear you. i want to thank you so much for giving up your this morning to speak with us. thank you very much. and we also heard from vicki, a hairdresser in cornwall who has banned those kind of magazines, those gossipy magazines. quite a few of you getting in touch with us on social media about this. stuart on twitter

says don't forget, lots of these so—called stars or celebs want publicity when it suits and kerry did say that and that she will make money out of some of the photos. then on twitter says plenty of them make a deal with the publicity devil and use the paparazzi to publicise the product. now they want to bite the product. now they want to bite the hands of the public that feeds them, cannot have it both ways. ian on twitter says the photographer yesterday was shocking, laura has just lost a good friend, why could he not have had any compassion and just leave them be? and ella on e—mail says paparazzi should be banned unless it is at stated events. invasion of privacy, stalking, that is illegal already. do keep that coming on all of the stories we are talking about this morning, use the hashtag and we will continue to read some of your m essa g es continue to read some of your messages through the course of the day. if you want to take part in the programme, leave us your day. if you want to take part in the programme, leave us your contact details in your message and we will try and get you on air if we can. tomorrow, tyson fury and deontay wilder will be going head to head in arguably the biggest boxing match

of the year so far. both of them will be trying to settle scores after their fight last year ended in a controversial draw. fury, who in the past has sparked controversy for his views on gay people, has also battled with his mental health and suicidal thoughts — something his opponent wilder mocked him for on wednesday. so how big is this fight? in a moment, we'll talk to enzo maccarinelli, former wbo cruiserweight champion. but, first, take a look at the pair facing off at a press conference ahead of the fight this week. do not ever forget when i found you, you were taking coke. when i found you, you were like a big house, contemplating about killing yourself. so don't you ever forget who brought you to big—time boxing. i dragged you back, i brought you back. i provided food and put food on your table for your family to eat and i'm doing it for the second time. deontay wilder spouting a lot of rubbish. he gave me an opportunity today. he gave me an opportunity did he? i give him his biggest pay

days of his whole life, brought him a big contract with showtime, brought him to the biggest stage in the world — being las vegas — and this is how he thanks me. he's got a whole lot of appreciation for someone who has fed him, looked after him and put millions in his account. very nice person, d. you owe me everything. i brought you to this level. welcome to big—time boxing. it's his second fight on the top. we can speak now to enzo maccarinelli, who is here. this is a really interesting fight, isn't it, because of what happened last time, that controversial draw. explain to people who don't follow this why this big fight between wilder and fury. it is a massive fight. you have three fighters at the top of the heavyweight division, the main division, three fighters who all have their fans and all regard their man as the best. you have anthony joshua, deontay wilder and tyson fury. fury and wilder fought last time, i thought fury one but it was

a draw, so this fight will go a long way in establishing one of them to be near the top, rather than second or third, the most established at the top, so this essentially could be for who is regarded as the best. asa be for who is regarded as the best. as a fighter, when you are preparing for that fight, is there a danger fury could feel i've got a score to settle here? because so many people felt he had won that first fight and could that put him off, confusing and looses focus? of course but i don't think he will, he knows there isa don't think he will, he knows there is a job to do and knows the stakes he has to rectify, what he has to work on, what he has to do less of. so although fury had mental problems and he has been quite open about it, he is strong mentally in the sporting sense. he will know what he has to do and i'm looking forward to a great fight. it's interesting because you were a hugely successful

boxer, you were wbo cruiserweight champion from 2006—2008. how do you prepare for a big fight which has got so much focus and so much attention on it? do you focus on anything or do you literally go into your own zone? i go into my own zone. i'm a very happy—go—lucky guy but when the bell goes, i turn into a different person. i make sure i do my training right, get up at five and the morning, do my runs, go back to the gym, eat right. you need to do everything right because if you don't, when you get into that ring, mentally, things are creeping away, that morning it was pelting down with rain, i didn't go for that run. just before, you are looking at the other person, anything that you skipped, anything you hadn't sacrificed, it is popping into your head and it can give your opponent the edge and when you haven't done anything right, you know you are mentally ready to go, all the nerves that you walk into the ring, as soon as the bell goes, everything is

gone, you get on it and you win you lose. do you think wilder and fury dislike each other what you think it was theatre yesterday?” dislike each other what you think it was theatre yesterday? i don't think of was theatre but i don't think they dislike each other either. i think they both have come across as saying they respect each other as people. they say... as i say, it is a massive fight, so much on the line, a massive fight and i think they are ready to fight and i think they are ready to fight and i think they got in each other‘s faces, tensions flared over and they were pushes, just trying to show strength and a lot of people think of boxing as thuggish and things like that and ican as thuggish and things like that and i can tell you now, it wouldn't have gone any further. there were no security guards there, it is just to sportsmen, they can't wait to fight, they want the first bell to go and it just boiled over they want the first bell to go and itjust boiled over yesterday and they were just... it was just handbags, to be honest. interesting that you say that because what you make of the comments that deontay wilder made about tyson fury‘s battles with mental health, which,

as you say, he has been very honest about. do you feel uncomfortable that wilder was using it against him? i have been in the game, i know how it works and i can deontay wilder saying that, doesn't mean a single word of it. they need an advantage, they need something that is going to help them progress as the champion and i think deontay wilder hasjust the champion and i think deontay wilder has just started talking things to tyson fury, hoping it will get in fury‘s head, make him mad, angry, go off his game plan. does it sound good to a non—boxing fan? yes, it doesn't sound very good but if you are a boxer, you know what he's going to do, trying to gain an advantage, throw fury off his plan. i don't think it will work. so you think fury is going to win? i'm not saying that at all but i don't think it'll put him off his plan. who do you will win? i don't know, i don't normally sit on the fence but when it first started, i went for a while, a couple of days later fury,

this morning i was wilder and no sitting here, iwill say this morning i was wilder and no sitting here, i will say fury. tomorrow it will be wilder but when they walk in the ring, i don't know. what i will say, deontay wilder can only win one way, by knockout. tyson fury can win by points and i honestly believe, if he gets it right, he can wear him down and stopping late on. will he? i don't know. thank you so much for coming m, know. thank you so much for coming in, enzo maccarinelli. airbnb — the global online platform advertising rooms for rent— has boomed over the past few years. it's now thought to be worth over £30 billion. for many tourists, it offers good value and convenient accomodation, and, for many hosts, it offers an easy way to make some money out of their property. but could airbnb, and other short—term letting companies like it, actually be contributing to our housing crisis? new research by the guardian has found that there are some areas of the country where as many as one home in four is on the platform. critics say it's depriving some communities of much needed housing. let's talk to gordon maloney from the pressure group

living rent. councillor kate campbell chairs edinburgh city council's housing department. and the liberal democrat mp, tim farron. we did invite airbnb to come on the programme but nobody was available. instead we're joined by fiona campbell from the association of scotland self caterers. thank you all forjoining us. first of all, gordon, what are your concerns about the extent to which airbnb has got into certain destinations around the country?” think what these figures show is it is clear that in communities like edinburgh and actually in communities across scotland and the uk, the situation is completely out of control. and we know what the impact it has is, it drives up rents, it forces people out splits of communities and what these figures underline is the desperate need for the government to take action. we are calling for three things. we need new tax is

introduced on short—term lets, we think there needs to be —— needs to bea think there needs to be —— needs to be a licensing scheme to stamp out bad behaviour and safety concerns and crucially, councils need the ability to limit the number of holiday lets in their area and in places like edinburgh, it has to be lower than the existing number. any new measures the government brings in have to be about notjust limiting the damage going forward but undoing the damage that has already been done to our communities. councillor kate campbell, you chair the edinburgh city council housing department and presumably this is a bit of a challenge for you. what are you doing to try and tackle it? we have had a working group on short—term lets for quite some time, it is something that is a big issue for us in the city and particularly, there are issues around anti—social behaviour and hollowing out of communities but, for us, the main concern is around affordable housing and housing supply, so we have put a case for exactly as gordon says, we have put the case for a licensing

regime, that has been listened to, the scottish government consulted this year and announced at the beginning of this year that there will be a licensing regime. it will have a mandatory element which all local authorities will have to meet and there will be discretionary elements and we will make the case in edinburgh that those discretionary elements need to include the ability to manage concentration but also the overall numbers in the city. tim farron, what is the situation in the lake district, when we think about the likes of airbnb? well, i guess the arrival of airbnb onto the scene over the last few years adds to an existing situation. something like one in seven properties in my constituency are not lived in, they are second homes, not holiday lets, not regularly airbnb but a bolt on for somebody who has enough money to have an extra home... and in particular villages like ambleside, grasmere, windermere and so on, it

robs those communities often of life, not enough kids to feed the local schools, you lose the local school, the risk of losing the school, the risk of losing the school and airbnb is coming on top of that and we found that nearly one in five properties, the guardian research shows, ambleside were part of windermere, the lung tales, are now on airbnb. what we don't know if some of those properties were already holiday lets to start off with, in which case it is another platform for people to feel their property, fair enough. what is alarming to me, which i find when i'm going around talking to constituents, is that airbnbs are beginning to pop up on housing estates that were affordable for local... tim farron, your line is slightly... forgive me forjumping m, slightly... forgive me forjumping in, you are slightly breaking up but we got the essence of what you're saying. i want to bring we got the essence of what you're saying. iwant to bring in we got the essence of what you're saying. i want to bring in fiona campbell, from the association for scottish self caterers. i know you have been listening to what has been said, do you have concerns about the number of airbnbs? funnily enough,

we have presented in the last two days a report on the short term letting and housing crisis. the numbers we are talking about are completely ridiculous. actually, the evidence shows that the number of airbnbs or short—term lets in edinburgh or scotland are negligible and are not having an impact on the housing stock. gordon, i assume that you have read my report and will see that we have actually given accurate data on this. there are almost exactly the same number of empty homes in the centre of edinburgh as there are traditional short—term lets. so we really need to start stopping this conversation, this negative narrative, it is absolutely preposterous. a lot of airbnbs, the vast majority, are people's primary residence and they are using the property in order to get a little bit of extra income. fiona, let me

jump bit of extra income. fiona, let me jump in, we don't have a lot of time left and i can see both gordon and councillor kate campbell are shaking their heads and i think it is probably fair to let them come in. so the evidence we've got is we have seen so the evidence we've got is we have seen rent so the evidence we've got is we have seen rent increase as so the evidence we've got is we have seen rent increase as much as 30% in areas where there are high concentrations of airbnb. we know there are around 10,000 properties from scottish government data and we know it is having an impact on rent andl know it is having an impact on rent and i have spoken to residents who have been evicted from their homes and at that time has become a short—term let property so i think we have enough evidence. kate, it would be lovely to speak to you but she refused to speak to us and we actually do have accurate evidence on exactly the number of properties being used for airbnb and official traditional properties as well. it would be really good to get around the table and talk about the facts, rather than... the table and talk about the facts, rather than. .. i do the table and talk about the facts, rather than... i do read the table and talk about the facts, rather than. .. i do read the the table and talk about the facts, rather than... i do read the reports that you send to me. very briefly, gordon. one of the issues we have

here is the statistics are so bad and part of that comes from a system thatis and part of that comes from a system that is so poorly regulated, but you don't need to be a genius to understand that every flat rented out as a holiday let is one less home forfamilies out as a holiday let is one less home for families to live in.” out as a holiday let is one less home for families to live in. i will jumping at this point, you're not going to agree but thank you so much for coming on, very grateful to all of you for your time. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. good morning. more rainfall today, mainly across the northern half of the uk. the rain has been falling steadily across scotland, northern ireland, northern england and north wales and it is set to continue into the afternoon. all linked into this

area of low pressure and you can see this when a frontier which is stretching all the way back across the atlantic, around 3,500 miles, to this area of low pressure which we are keeping a close eye on for monday's weather. for the rest of today, northern ireland, scotland, northern england, north wales, rain will continue. some brighter skies in the far north—east of scotland and dry and further south you come, may be a few bright spells. windy conditions, really, particularly to the north—east of england and the south—east of scotland and the north—west of scotland, gust of 50, 60, maybe 70 miles prayer. temperatures today getting up to 10-12dc. temperatures today getting up to 10—12dc. tonight, the rain will move steadily southward and over the weekend, it remains unsettled. some snow at times over the higher ground across scotland and northern ireland, quite windy on saturday, rain clears on sunday. bye—bye.

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