but it ecugit 1&th but it actually is a done. but it actually is a consideration that can stop major things going ahead and have already been agreed. but the airport is going to appeal fascinating the government is not going to appeal we as global markets plunge amid fears of a pandemic. i'll be taking two swabs, one from your nose and are not appealing it because our one from your throat. ma nifesto are not appealing it because our manifesto made it clear that thousands of people have now been heathrow is a private sector tested for the virus in britian, industry led project. we havejust 16 have been found to have it — the latest in northern ireland. said, heathrow cannot cost the in tenerife — confusion as some of the british tourists locked down taxpayer money, it must be in zero in a hotel are told they're free to leave — but it's not clear carbon by 2015 target —— 2050.|j when or where they can go. in china — in the city where it all started, one doctor says the world cannot afford to underestimate the coronavirus. still have a question, laura, you are saying this government is serious about the environment, obviously this is an environmental decision not to go ahead with this in one night i lost five lives and that's really miserable. new runway, but what about the and i should warn the rest of the world that you guys should take care.

government plans for beefing up the for the sixth day in a row — there've been big losses north? all those environmental projects that have an environmental impact, what happens if there are suggestions to make an airport in other parts of the country larger, borisjohnson likes infrastructure so borisjohnson likes infrastructure so where will his decision for them. lots of different tensions here because the government say they are serious about infrastructure, whatever that means, one thing it does mean is trading with the rest of the world, but they say they are serious about the environment, and he said he would chain themselves to bulldozers so there are lots of tensions here and i don't think they are absolved. if heathrow wins the appeal, it will go ahead, it will probably be built. but if they don't, the government has a massive political problem, what do they do? there is no other project that is ready, ready to go and there are lots of problems, in terms of other

bits and pieces of expansion like at teesside airport, they are increasing the number of regional, i think there isn't anything that co m pa res think there isn't anything that compares with the scale of what we are talking about with heathrow. for borisjohnson the short are talking about with heathrow. for boris johnson the short term, he are talking about with heathrow. for borisjohnson the short term, he can say this is a matter for the courts, we are not going to appeal it, the appeal goes ahead and if there isn't appeal goes ahead and if there isn't a third runway then, politically and around heathrow that is useful for him. if that is, he can say it is a private sector project, it was passed by a previous parliament. private sector project, it was passed by a previous parliamentm wasn't me. quite funny that. boris johnson said once or twice that he wouldn't let this go ahead?” johnson said once or twice that he wouldn't let this go ahead? i will lie down with you in front of those bulldozers acclamation markm

lie down with you in front of those bulldozers acclamation mark if they we re bulldozers acclamation mark if they were to appear, would you lie down in front of the bulldozers? 0r there are no immediate prospect of the bulldozers arriving. boris johnson was foreign secretary then and he mysteriously found himself in afghanistan on a plane, not actually around... i never like to be cynical, but could it be that the government's decision not to say to the court, we are going to fight you, could be down to the fact of the idea of borisjohnson having to look at those bulldozers, as in, this particular project rather than environmental impacts?|j this particular project rather than environmental impacts? i think there is certainly a political convenience about whatever happens here, the fate being decided by someone other than the government. it has been suggested that either if it does happen, well it was theresa may's government that decided it. and

whether it does or doesn't go both ways it is so he is managing to keep a political distance from it but, just as in high—speed railfor example, there are passionate critical views on both sides of this, it seemed, underthe critical views on both sides of this, it seemed, under the last government, the government at the timei government, the government at the time i remember, theresa may's government saying there may be legal challenges but it will be ok now, but that is not necessarily the case. but, if it does happen, if heathrow wins the appeal, there will bea heathrow wins the appeal, there will be a six—month delay to add to... shall we talk about brexit for old time sake? new binder please! a special mandate only binder. 0r time sake? new binder please! a special mandate only binder. or why is it grey? it isjust

special mandate only binder. or why is it grey? it is just slick and stylish. in there are two mandates, the uk's approach to negotiations which isn't a mandate technically and the eu's mandate, which is instructions to michelle barnier. shall we do it in order, the eu one came out first, i will refer you back to our brexit cast extravaganza a few years ago... what is in the eu thing, what is the key thing is there? well, this is the thing, the eu mandate was published in draft right at the start of the month and thenit right at the start of the month and then it was tweaked by the diplomats and then approved by the ambassadors and then approved by the ambassadors and ministers this week so there has been a document that has been in our

minds fora been a document that has been in our minds for a right while and it has been changing a bit. the big important things and is big differences with the uk, first of all, standards. so, do you alignment, dynamic alignment, more like non—regression alignment, dynamic alignment, more like non-regression on the environment, labour laws, taxation. yes, that is kind of like the price of the uk having a free trade agreement but no tariffs no quotas. we can talk about that at length as the negotiators will do. then there isa the negotiators will do. then there is a stuff about governance, the idea that the eu wants this to be one giant agreement with lots of bits to it, overseen by one kind of framework one kind of governing body and they want their... interpreting eu law if eu law needs to be interpreted and also, fish. there has to be an agreement on fish by

the summer to allow everything else to happen as far as the eu is concerned, so the fish bit was tightened up by the french, to basically have the word upholding their over and over again, in other ways to uphold the agreement that exists on fish. i picked out those particular areas because of what the uk says about them is quite different. we will come onto that in a second, but let's hear from michelle barnier. i do not believe that the uk will come... but that means it should not be a problem for the uk to agree on a number of ground rules. the eu's chief brexit negotiator there. he is saying that i don't want the uk to be this low tax, easy come easy go economy like singapore, but his conclusion is

well if you don't want to be free and easy about everything, i don't see why you don'tjust sign up to all eu rules. can ijust interject, obviously there is a lot of talk about, we go into the detail of the mandate and that statement, there are no real surprises, we all know that the two sides are already kind of at loggerheads over these so called level playing field provisions and the indirect role of this ecj or the european court of justice, but i would say, are you really surprised? this is the start ofa really surprised? this is the start of a big negotiation, i would really surprised? this is the start of a big negotiation, iwould be gobsmacked if the eu were saying, all boris do what you like,... no no, you go ahead, it would be mental! so, to use sophisticated journalists speak their... i am going tojust throw journalists speak their... i am going to just throw it out there and

say there are clear problems and they are going to have a massive row and andy and i were talking about this, everybody here is saying, you know what, nothing is going to get decided until the autumn. know what, nothing is going to get decided until the autumnlj know what, nothing is going to get decided untilthe autumn. i agree, i think this is all entirely predictable and that is going to be lots of rattling, all its completely outrageous that they are saying this, it's completely outrageous that they want us to do this, this is how those kind of things work but it is important today to know that one of the things the uk said was if we are not making enough progress by bits that should be easy byjune, we will just walk out and not try and do it at all. we didn't hear very much of that during the election when we were all told that there was zero chance —— that we weren't told that there would be zero chance of a trade deal. listen to the governments, the government is

saying, political declaration of whatever. and, the thing is that the eu is saying, the thing is that the eu is saying, the thing is that the eu is saying, the thing is that the eu is going back on some parts of the political declaration as well so i think that everybody knew that the political declaration was not legally binding, it is a reference point, it became more and more important to the eu because they saw it as important to the eu because they saw itasa important to the eu because they saw it as a victory, the fact that boris johnson agreed that there would be a loving playing field conditions. —— love level playing field conditions. there is a recognition on both sides that this is an important trade negotiation that needs to take place and it is on both sides's interest to get some kind of agreement however then it is by the end of the year. i think when the government is saying now, if we don't like it, we will just walk away, i

saying now, if we don't like it, we willjust walk away, i think, i don't think, i know that the reaction here in eu circles is that, look, this is a mistaken calculation on the government if they are believing their own rhetoric that borisjohnson got believing their own rhetoric that boris johnson got the believing their own rhetoric that borisjohnson got the eu to bend when he said in the autumn, it is either my way or the highway, he will have no brexit deal. and that is when ireland said, let's make a deal and the eu followed suit, the eu sees it differently and they believe that borisjohnson capitulated in the autumn when he agreed to line down the irish sea, of course it is all getting complicated but the idea of it which side capitulated we will remember this from the brexit deal process but the eu is saying, no, for others the bottom line is the single market and we are not going to compromise about that and if it means the uk walking away, then so be it. question for you katia, what you in

your downstairs case? so, behind—the—scenes here... all, i am so sorry, i sensed there was message to you instead of my husband! my husband was sending me a whatsapp asking where my son's night—time nappies are and since we are moving house, we are living out of a case! you don't get this on america asked question mark i was paying attention to every detail.

i went to see michael gove today, you probably know this already laura, there were two cabinet... i we nt laura, there were two cabinet... i went into michael gove's office and he was sitting on this piece of artwork, i was immediately briefed, and that then i saw another one, i don't know who the dad was. was it larry? why did you go see michael gove, it wasn't just to see larry? why did you go see michael gove, it wasn'tjust to see the cats. no, they passed the time while he was answering questions in the house of commons. i went in there to ask some questions as part of a pool interview, so here is michael gove talking about the big picture and

this idea of a canada style free trade agreement. i think there are a range of voices, michelle barnier has always been clear that a canada style tra d e has always been clear that a canada style trade agreement is one that the eu would be more than happy with and of course we believe this would bea and of course we believe this would be a straightforward thing to the eu to do, that is already a precedent for taking to do, that is already a precedent fortaking an to do, that is already a precedent for taking an off—the—shelf deal and making sure it works for both parties. don't forget the withdrawal agreement. this is going to be a massive problem this year, already the eu is very upset about the northern ireland protocol, a lot of businesses in northern ireland are extremely concerned, michael gove's words today didn't reassure anyone, comforting but vague, it's a sort of scene is bad blood and the political declaration was not legally binding, the withdrawal agreement is legally binding and the uk appears to be moving away from the agreement to have checks and controls in the irish sea and this will all be

battled out in the next weeks and months and just to say that this must not be forgotten. it must be watched. talking of checks, other kinds of checks are getting unpopular. temperature checks and whether you have coronavirus. have you seen whether you have coronavirus. have you seen these drive—through medical checks for coronavirus. this is obviously becoming ever more enormous story around the uk, some schools have closed their doors this week, to be clear the government isn't telling them that they have to do but very clearly, this is an enormous issue and it feels a bit, politically, it may be about to... it feels a very different place to even a couple of days ago, lots of people returning from skiing trips and then suddenly being alongside

those brits coming back from the boat injapan, those brits coming back from the boat in japan, lot those brits coming back from the boat injapan, lot of consequences in terms of the government around public health. i am in self isolation as a result of being in iranfor isolation as a result of being in iran for the past four or five days and therefore, i am not really supposed to congregate with any crowds or go anywhere where there may be people. so that means i'm sitting at home. for two weeks. i haven't really had time to work out how in fact i'm going to handle this, i must admit i'm not very good with my own company, i am a gregarious character. thank you to channel 4 news, i have to say that older male journalists being locked up older male journalists being locked up in north london is not the sub genre of coronavirus i thought we would get but never mind. let's bring ina would get but never mind. let's bring in a real—life expert. we have

professor natalie mcdermott from king's college. thank you very much for the promotion but i am just a lowly doctor. you are a professor to me. i don't really know the difference but anyway. you sound very knowledgeable. the question everyone has about coronavirus is, how bad is it, if you get it and what does that mean for how bad it will be for society if this gets worse? i think for most people it is a mild, flu—like illness but u nfortu nately for a mild, flu—like illness but unfortunately for about 15 to 20% of people, they have a much more severe illness and they get viral pneumonia and an inflammation of the lungs, it impacts upon their ability to breathe, but that is mainly in people who are in the older age range, over 60 and particularly over 80 years old and those with significant medical problems. the thing i find intriguing about all of

this is that we simultaneously see government ministers and various nhs leaders saying the uk is incredibly well prepared, all of the contingencies are in place, and yet simultaneously, we hear of all the pressures on the nhs during the winter, just for a conventional, conventional pressures conventional flow all of that kind of stuff and i find myself thinking, how can that both those things be right?m find myself thinking, how can that both those things be right? it will bea both those things be right? it will be a challenge, but the government, the uk government since 2011 has influenza pandemic for parents plans and so they have a mechanism to do and so they have a mechanism to do an emergency scale up to deal with epidemics or pandemic situations, but that will entail the cancellation of elective surgery and things along those lines so to free up things along those lines so to free up health care workers and manage patients if needed. has this panned out so far as you would have

expected? yes unfortunately, i hoped that we wouldn't see a secondary peak that we are starting to do outside of china, i thought we would only have a handful of exported cases to countries around the world but i think the step up that we have seen over the last week over south korea, iran and italy suggest that that is not going to be the case, we are about to see that secondary peak, it is just about to see that secondary peak, it isjust a about to see that secondary peak, it is just a case of how bad that secondary peak is and whether we can contain it so that we don't get similar situations in other countries as well. even if it gets bad quite bad down the line, planes will still land, gigs and football matches will still happen? well, gigs and football matches may not happen. natalie, as we have been

chatting, a new case has been diagnosed in northern ireland, can i just express my thanks to you for correcting something that was in one of adam's binders. what was in there turned out to be not correct which is always a pleasure for those of us who have been on the receiving end of corrections to his binder. two very brief final questions there. a self this question from the producer, can he go to japan? so, how long will it last? it is deftly going to be months, it could be longer, i think there is some hope that when the climate picks up, we may see less cases but that is a difficult one because just because our climate has warmed up it doesn't mean the climate in the southern hemisphere has the class, so it

mightjust turn into a circular argument where we have cases peaking in the southern hemisphere and so on so in the southern hemisphere and so on so it could be months, it could be a year or more depending on how well they contain it and, could your producer go to japan? probably they may well find them self self isolating on their return sorry, he isolating on their return sorry, he is actually the editor. thank you so much natalie. shall be talk about a documentary that will be on the radio? that someone called laura kunz burke has done.

-- matt —— matt laura kuenssberg. in conversation with someone who is not a stranger, one of our excellent bbc producers, we started talking about this ago, this has always been a problem in the 19th century, also in my lifetime, in the decade between 2000 and 2010 which is when i got into politics and in that time there was an absolutely seismic series of events, the iraq war, the expenses scandal, the financial grass, even the trial of harold shipman that shook peoples faith in the medical profession, so what we have done is go back through the archive of that decade and it was great that we managed to persuade gordon brown and george osborne two of the main architects of that period, to open

up architects of that period, to open upa bit architects of that period, to open up a bit and reflects back on some of the things that happened. one of the things i asked gordon brown about was when he was basically trying to stop the economy from falling through the floor, he realises now that the government struggled so hard to explain to them what was going on. people wanted game shows, they didn't want to listen and hear about the financial crisis. social media was just becoming a big issue and we hadn't realised the power of it although my wife kept telling me that this was where the future lay. so we couldn't get our message across properly.“ i had got the message across i would have told them it was going to be 0k, have told them it was going to be ok, that's what gordon brown said. it's very interesting. you think of that period and the image is of

people taking money out of the banks because they didn't think it is going to be ok. there was the biggest bailout in history, the chairman phoned up... so the bankers didn't trust their own judgment, so it is interesting stuff, it's on radio four, a decade of distrust.“ is interesting because we are talking about the budget coming out germany is announcing it may be stepping back from... its attachment to know government debt at all and so to know government debt at all and so time is changing for germany as well well it was lovely to sit with you all again. goodbye neck

summation still numerous flood warnings. this is the next rain coming in, a ridge of high pressure ahead divot, has led to some really chilly weather first then, ice of course, certainly frost on the cards, some snow as it is where the system works its way northwards, it is likely to be transient, it may hang around for

northern england and scotland where we may well stay in a cold ever much of the day, but for most it is milder, cloudier and there will be outbreaks of rain on and off throughout the day, on friday throughout the day, on friday through friday night and into saturday it is all courtesy of this deepening area of low pressure which has been named as a new storm. it has been named as a new storm. it has a sting in its tail into saturday night and sunday and before then, we still have all this rain as well, another bout of rain going through to friday night into saturday, it temporarily cleared and there are showers, around the periphery of that area of low pressure and, it is behind a cold front so we will see temperatures dipping backwards and it will feel colder once again. that is something that will be a signature throughout the coming week, as well as bringing lots of rain could bring some damaging gusts of wind enough to break trees and power lines down, you can see how tightly packed the isobars are, there also has it? on it, will it... let's focus on those

wins, three saturday night into sunday, very windy indeed, we also see the rain risk northwards, a drier day for those areas are significantly affected by flooding but we will keep an eye on this developing weather front and low pressure towards the south because that again could come into southern areas and be a couple of miles... that is all dependent on the position of the stone by the time we get to saturday and sunday. by the time we get to monday, we are into a broad westerly atlantic flow, bringing showers, showers and sunny spells, we are into march, the meteorological spring i don't think it will feel warm however, temperatures this coming week will stay below par because we are in colder air i will explain injust a moment. because we have the low pressure with as we are at risk of further spells of rain and wind and it certainly looks like an unsettled picture as you can see into next week and that is because the jet is

still strong and it is still across our latitudes are driving those low prices, but because we are on the northern edge, we are near colder polarairso northern edge, we are near colder polar air so there is always going to beat the risk of something wintry, some snow over the hills, so it stays unsettled so it temperatures a little lower than they could be and so always as you can see, there is a risk of... it doesn't look as if the winds will be exceptionally strong except we will see the storm coming in for the weekend and it still looks chilly with night—time frosts as well as the risk of winter in the showers as ever, though warnings on detail on 00:28:48,433 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 the website.