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for flood defences to £5 billion will be announced in the budget on wednesday. megan uses one of her last appearances as a senior royal to urge men to do more to respect women. and now on bbc news, victoria derbyshire takes a look at some of the highlights from her programme this week. hello and welcome. for the next half an hour we will show you some of the highlights of our award—winning journalism in the last seven days. this week we revealed that aston villa and leicester have agreed to pay damages to five victims of a paedophile football scout. both clubs have settled a civil case just weeks before it was due to be heard in the high court. the victims came forward as a result of an investigation by our programme in 2017.
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our reporterjim reid has been following the case. this is about a man called ted langford who was a football scout in the 1980s and you can see him here in this grainy newspaper picture which is the only photo we have. he is the guy on the top left. we now think he was responsible, or suspect he was responsible for abusing dozens of boys in the 1980s. he was convicted back in 2007 and sent to prison for historical offences against four boys and was then released and died back in 2012. and he was linked to leicester and aston villa 7 that's right. he was a part—time scout for both. back in 2017, more than three years ago now, we spoke to a man called tony brian who was a former professional footballer who went on to play for leicester and other clubs and he told us how he was abused back as a 12—year—old. he said the reason he needed a sperm sample was so that the leicester city doctors could examine it to see
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if i had a gene inside of me that would make me become a footballer. a footballer‘s gene? yes. and being so young, you believed anything. after that interview, people started coming forward and we can now report that both clubs have now paid damages to a total of five victims of that scout. the financial terms of this arrangement have not been formally disclosed. we are not talking about life—changing amounts of money, are we? definitely not. also important to point out that this was settled quite late on in the day, so just a couple of weeks before we expected the case to go to the high court. under the terms of this settlement, neither club is formally accepting responsibility and nor have they issued a formal apology or even an informal apology. there is another aspect which is important to the case. when we first spoke to mr brian
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three years ago he told us he warned aston villa back when he was a teenager about the behaviour of this scout and said he spoke to a man called dave richardson who was the assistant manager at the time and to graham taylor, who was the manager and went on to manage england. he felt through these conversations he was dissuaded in some way from taking it any further, from going public. in his words, he felt he was told to almost sweep the matter under the carpet. that is important because of some of the other alleged victims in the case? that's right, so ted langford who was the scout who was eventually sacked by aston villa because of his behaviour around young boys but we have seen documents that suggest or show that that came much later, perhaps a year or even more after tony brian said he spoke to be people at the club. after tony brian said he spoke to people at the club. at least two of the five victims in this most recent case say they were abused after mr brian claims he came forward to raise the alarm, so that is why the dates can be important.
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absolutely. what do the people involved say about it? graham taylor who was manager at the time died in 2017 very suddenly. the assistant manager, dave richardson, says he cannot recall a conversation with tony brian. he denied he would have advised anyone to cover it up or not to speak out. he said he did act very quickly when other parents raised their concerns and said he did not go to the police at the time because those parents did not want him to take it any further and it's important to point out that in this country there is no legal responsibility to report suspected abuse. there is in other countries but not in this country. mr richardson said he could not comment any further and did not think it was appropriate while the football association carry out an enquiry into historical abuse which is still ongoing. i have been talking to tony brian and he gave his reaction to the decision by leicester and aston villa to pay damages. i don't think it will ever draw a line underneath it, victoria. what happened to me 30—odd years ago
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will stay with me until i die. it helps, don't get me wrong, but it was never about money, it was about an acceptance of what happened to us all them years ago. i still think they have got away lightly. and in certain terms, where they haven't accepted responsibility or anything like that. i suppose closure, no, it doesn't give closure. have the clubs apologised to you? no, nothing has been said or done. there has not been an announcement in the papers or the press or anything. that is probably the biggest disappointment of it all. what happened all them years ago, i know it was not on people's watch who are in charge of leicester city now but it happened and we want an acceptance that it happened. to say sorry isn't a big thing. everybody makes mistakes. you know... saying sorry won't make things right, but it will help and it
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will help the other four lads as well. why do you think they haven't says sorry? you would have to ask them that. why do you think, though? why do i think? it's a long time ago that it happened. maybe things have moved on and they don't want to be associated with that sort of thing. i can't answer that question for leicester city or aston villa but i would like to know why they are not apologising and nothing, absolutely nothing from them. i represented leicester city football club. ok, i wasn't their best player in the world but i represented them and they made money by selling me at the same time as well. if you are out there listening, anybody at leicester, i would appeal to you to just say sorry. and try and put it to bed. other clubs have. manchester city regarding barry bennell, southampton regarding bob higgins. yeah, i have seen it.
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it beggars belief sometimes, if they have paid out financially why won't they apologise? it is like they are sweeping it under the carpet like they did 30 years ago when i tried to report it to graham taylor and dave richardson. dealing with all the obsenities from the terraces. it feels like that. i wonder if you could remind our audience how being abused as a 12—year—old boy by a scout, you know, as you are playing football, a game you love, how that impacts your life. it has impacted my life for a long time, victoria. you try to put it to the back of your mind every time you go to sleep at night. i turned to drink and that helped me to sleep at night. some of the managers probably lost patience with me for the amount i drank over the years. it was the only thing that would actually put me to sleep and put it to the back of my mind.
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i'm not proud of that and i never will be. you mentioned dave richardson. he was the assistant manager at the time at aston villa. and you said you mentioned it to graham taylor, who obviously died suddenly in 2017. dave richardson has said he doesn't recall the conversation with you. but he did sack ted langford as a scout after being told about inappropriate behaviour by other parents. what message would you want to send to mr richardson? come and meet me. really? why? because i know i have told the truth. in a way i'm sorry because i haven't seen him for years and he was like a god to me. i remember when i got picked for ireland forjack charlton's first squad, dave richardson broke the news to me and gave me a hug. dave richardson was like a god to me but when i needed him, when i looked up to adults, i was let down. you mentioned a couple of other players involved in the most recent
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court case would have been abused after you said you first came forward to warn aston villa. had things been different, do you think the abuse of those other players could have been prevented? most definitely. if they had acted promptly. like i say, victoria, they probably didn't know how to deal with it in those days. they said an investigation would be done but they definitely should have done something about it. all i know... i know it is a different era we live in now, but if somebody came to me and i was involved at the club and they said, this is what has happened, i would march them straight down to the police station to make a statement. that's what i would do. four other young players were involved in this case and they all came forward after seeing you on this programme three years ago. i understand you have been talking to some of them. what have they told you? they have told me they never
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want to go public, they never want to do because a long time has elapsed since it happened. but again, they are in the same boat as me, they can never forget it. they don't like to speak about it, but i think they are probably glad it has been settled. was it the right decision to come on this programme? most definitely, yes. there are still some people who've got in contact with me who don't want to come forward. there are other alleged victims of ted langford out there? there is, yes. aston villa told us it wishes to express its deepest sympathies with all those who suffered abuse, safeguarding standards are paramount importance to the club and any reports of abuse will be investigated rigorously and reported to appropriate authorities. leicester said...
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if you are affected by any of the issues raised injim's report, you can get help and support on the bbc action line website. for the past three years, our programme has been investigating how bereaved parents and their children are looked after, and on tuesday we revealed that 18 organisations and charities had sent an open letter to the government urging it to change the law so unmarried widowers can receive financial support for their children. if your husband, wife or civil partner dies, and you are eligible for child benefit you can receive up to £10,000. this is called the bereavement support payment. but if you are unmarried,
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you are not entitled to it at all. it is estimated that every year around 2,000 families with children lose out. we heard from three women who have been denied the payments including one who took the government to court and won. laura, you and nigel were together for nine years. yes, nine years. sadly nigel died last month. yes. can i ask you what happened? we have a two—year—old who is a bit of a whirlwind, little noah. we both wanted to get a bit fitter to keep up with him. we had been doing a bit of running and nigel went out for a run and he didn't come back. i waited at home, thinking where is he? had to eventually go out and look for him and instead found an ambulance. i was told he had died while out running. goodness me. it was unbelievable,
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we did not know there were any health problems, it came completely out of the blue. i had noah with me when i found the ambulance. just total shock. total shock. and does noah know that his dad has died? he does know, we have talked to him about it and explained but because of his age he doesn't understand fully. every day at the moment he is saying, where is my daddy, i want daddy. he did tell his little friend recently, oh, i don't have a daddy any more. and he asks every single day, which isjust, it's like a knife every single day, just asking where he is. you and nigel were not married, as i said. i wonder if you can tell us about the moment you realised you were not entitled to this bereavement support payment because you were not married? on valentine's day, irony of all ironies, i had to go and register his death.
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i was told in advance, you will find it difficult to register him because you are not married. i was told by a lovely woman at the registration process, you are not married so we will have to register him as single. that is despite nine years. he wasn't single. we had been together for nine years. i was just so angry that that was the case that because i did not have this piece of paper that i had to register him as single and as the person organising the funeral, not even allowed to be acknowledged as his partner. that was just... on top of everything else, it was just soul—destroying. in terms of the bereavement support payment, when did you realise that was not forthcoming? i went online to check and look through the guidance to see how to make the claim and it said that
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no, unless you are married or in a civil partnership, you can't have that, you can't have it. how have you managed? i know that in terms of the cost of the funeral, it has been really hard, hasn't it? it has, you find yourself in a position where you are solely responsible for everything. just overwhelmed, looking at the price of funerals and the cost of everything on top of everything else, and struggling to even comprehend where to start, really. i have been very lucky, some very kind people in the village where i live set up a gofundme page so i've had to rely on strangers, friends and family who have come together to help me at this time. thank god for the people of wilberfoss in york because you were not
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entitled to this payment. laylania, let me bring you in. you were together with adam for 15 years. he died two years ago and when you think back to that time, you are not married so what difference would have receiving this payment have made to you and your kids back then? i have to say that i was also very fortunate in that i had my mother—in—law to help me financially. i had my local church financially support me. i had two months paid from my work. between february, when adam was killed, i returned to work in october. so, forthat time i had the financial help from my mother—in—law and the church. if you had had the bereavement payment... i wouldn't have had to take that payment from them and to be honest with you, at that time felt like i was a complete burden. i had not asked for the payment
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they saw me struggling and so they offered. for me to be off work, my children's mental health was more important than working. it is a complete panic, what was i going to do, financially, if i should return to work and how i would manage childcare. i really didn't want to go on to universal credit, i would have been much worse off and i wanted my children to have a good example ofa motherand be in ajob and in a good situation financially. so, yeah... extending this payment to unmarried couples would cost £15 million a year. perhaps it is just too expensive? there is only about 2,000 families that are unmarried that lose a partner every year, it is a small fraction and i think they can afford to pay it. i am going to bring in siobhan first. 18 months ago, you went to the supreme court and won, the supreme court ruled it was incompatible with human rights law that you are not allowed
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to receive bereavement benefits for your children because of being unmarried. what has changed since then? absolutely nothing, unfortunately. nothing has changed at all. what you think the fact that nothing has changed since that ruling? shocking, it really is shocking. the highest court in the land can say to our government you have discriminated against not just my children but all of these children, and yet they still have done nothing. a few weeks ago, the high court ruled that denying two bereaved dads and their kids the bereavement support payment because the dads were not married was also against human rights law. do you think that is going to make a difference? i have no idea where the government is coming from with this. i don't understand what it will take for them to recognise our children are just as important as a child
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born into wedlock. they are showing they really are discriminating against them. let me bring in stella creasy. what do you think of these kind of story that we are containing to report despite the court cases? i first got involved in the issue because i had two mums in my constituency who came to me who were sadly in the same position. but let's be clear, nigel and adam both paid their national insurance contributions. this isn't about the state being kind. we have always supported widows in this country. i am horrified by the way in which this government has treated widows, not only by saying that somehow after 18 months you should be over the tragic loss of a partner, but also discriminating against children because the government thinks that if you're not married somehow your children are lesser. whether it is being able to register a birth or a death or being able to support your family from the payments your partner will have made in good faith to the state, this has got to change. this legislation is from the 1950s
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and i have sat in meetings repeatedly with ministers and held to debates to say, why don't we learn from countries like germany where the money goes to the child? we have what is called an orphan's pension. they simply sit on their hands and it's not good enough because every single week there are families in this horrific position and they're treated like this because of the decision. they simply sit on their hands. they said in a statement, losing a loved one is devastating and we are carefully considering the court judgments on cohabiting couples with children. a few weeks ago they try to appeal against the dads winning their court case. that was turned down, we learned, yesterday. am i reading too much into that statement that it sounds slightly hopeful? they have had four years of people raising the concern about the fact that unmarried parents are discriminated against, two court rulings telling them they breach of human rights of these children. i wish i could more hopeful, i wish i could be hearing borisjohnson say he suddenly realised the issue was important
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to make me more hopeful because it is very simple. just extend the benefit and recognise the parent to pay their contributions and their children should not be penalised because their families tragically lost a loved one. we should not be in this position in the 21st century. i want to ask you briefly what would be your message to borisjohnson if he were watching right now? my goodness, show that you really do care about our children. simple as. what would you say? i think i would say that our children count, and recognise that you made promising comments in prime minister's questions but please follow through with it and challenge the injustice because our children matter, they should not be penalised because their parents don't have a piece of paper. that should not be happening. what would you say? it is about children's human rights, at the end of the day. they are being affected by the parents' decision not to marry and they matter as much as a married parent. also this week we spoke to hugo boss, or other the comedian
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formerly known asjoe lycett, who has changed name to the german fashion label and he explained why. hugo boss is also a company i believe, and there is a small company called boss brewing in swansea who are a small business and they tried to make a trademark for a couple of beers and hugo boss sent them a cease and desist letter that basically says stop doing what they think is alleged illegal activity. i think it is a massive company taking on a little company and it is not fair and nobody is going to confuse a beer with hugo boss, i don't think i would splash myself with heineken in the morning! maybe i will! i thought that they clearly don't like their name being used and they have sent dozens of these to small businesses, charities... but what is interesting is the alleged illegal activity is use of the word boss. the brewery is not the hugo boss
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brewery, it is boss. so nobody can use the word boss, according to hugo boss? no, and now i'm hugo boss, iwould prefer it if people didn't as well! it is amazing what happens. what are they going to do to you? i changed my name by deed poll and did not expect the reaction, i did not to expect to be here. i was in the bath an hour ago! that is your certificate showing you have legally changed your name. it is a headache, there are so many things to do. but what you want them to do? i would like them to stop doing this and sending these letters because nobody is confusing these things, these brands. also i would like them, because boss brewing have spent £10,000 in legal fees and had to rebrand and change labels, very expensive for a small business so i'd like them to give them their money back and also promised to stop and an apology would be nice, hugo, if you can apologise?
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this is what hugo boss say. a statement given to itv last august. they have done this a few times. we haven't been able to get an update. me too, speak to us! following the brewery‘s application to register a trademark, we approached them regarding the use of boss in relation to two beer names in their portfolio. this was to avoid conflict and potential misunderstanding regarding the brands boss and boss black which had been used by the brewery but are long—standing trademarks in our company put the discussions clarify the situation in respect of these brand as well as in relation to textile merchandising to the future. the brewery is able to proceed with the majority of their products without impact on the current branding. but costing them £10,000, which is a lot to a small business. and also the fact they're doing it to these others, charities... i don't really agree with the statement. fair enough. you are doing a programme about this next month on channel 4?
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i'm launching a product as hugo boss. i can't go into too much details for legal reasons but all will be repealed on my channel 4 show which i suppose is to be rebranded because it was called joe lycett has got your back but it will have to beat hugo boss has got your back! everybody has to call you hugo boss, to make the point? including the bbc! thank you so much. thanks for having me. you can contact me anytime on twitter and e—mail us a story you might want us to look into. we are back on monday morning at 10am on bbc two and the bbc news channel. thank you for watching. part two of the weekend has been a brighter day than what we had yesterday. quite a bit of sunshine through the afternoon, but lots of showers, all enhanced by these weather fronts pushing in from the west.
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quite a few isobars on the charts throughout the day, so it's been blustery, particularly over hills, round coasts and where the showers have been living in. most of that i was this evening will be over a more western areas. perhaps wintry over higher ground. overnight, the activity tends to ease down. many central and eastern parts will turn drier with lengthy clear skies. turning cooler than last night. some frost in sheltered glens over eastern scotland. monday morning starts off with quite a bit of sunshine around. quite a chilly start but at least bright. any showers clearing the way. any showers clearing away. in the west, low pressure will bring wet and windy weather to many parts. further east, tending to stay dry with some brightness around. the rain will arrive here after dark. temperatures range from seven to 10 degrees.
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monday night, it will be wet. windy conditions and the rain keeps on coming for northern england and wales. rainfall totals really starting to mount up your by the time we reach tuesday morning. turning milder again as we end the night. into tuesday, lots of isobars on the chart, lots of weather fronts as well so there will be further pulses of rain or longer spells of rain at times. we are drawing up mild airfrom the azures. feeling very mild indeed across the south. a lot of cloud around to start the day on tuesday. into the afternoon, it should start to turn brighter. a windy day, probably more windy on tuesday than it monday. on tuesday than on monday. gails around irish sea coasts. we could see 16 or 17 degrees across south—east or eastern parts of england, so very mild indeed. beyond tuesday, it looks
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like it will turn cooler for all with a mixture of sunshine and blustery showers. these will be wintry over the hills in the north. 00:29:07,959 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 see you later.
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