hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, and we're live from new broadcasting house why are some domestic abuse survivors subject to the so—called bedroom tax? this programme can reveal that mps are calling on the government to stop what they see as discriniantion against survivors. we'll talk to the lawyer of a rape survivor who had her housing beenfit cut becasue she had a spare bedroom — in a council house that hd been specially adapted for her safety. the european court iof human rights says she's been discriminated against. will the government listen? also today, a senior nhs consultant has told this programme that intensive

care staff are going to have to make "difficult decisions" about who should be admitted because there may not be enough staff, beds or ventilators. this professor, who is coordinating the network of icus in italy's lombardy region, is warning that the uk must get ready. what happened to us is like a bomb which exploded. so they have to be ready to take care of a huge number of patients, and a number of patients that is growing day by day and that can certainly exceed the capacity of icu admission of any health care system, no matter how efficient and modern it is. also this morning, we'll be talking to two of the 140 brits who've been stuck on a cruise ship off the coast of california. because of coronavirus. one word,

nightmare. we have just been confined to our cabin since thursday. luckily we can get outside because we have a balcony, unlike other passengers. not a lot we can do. the cabin is very small, probably 12 paces up and down it, so you can't really do anything. no exercise, nothing. and we'll talk to labour leadership candidate lisa nandy about why she wants to be your next prime minister. hi, good morning. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. how are feeling about coronoaviurs right now? are you happy with the measures we're being asked to take in this country?

do you look at italy and wonder if we should be doing what they are? please get in touch using the hashtag. are you going to the cheltenham festival? how are you feeling about that? lots of you already getting in touch on bedroom tax. teresa on twitter: "it's breathtakingly shocking to see how many barriers are put in the way of domestic abuse survivors escaping abusive situations." use the hashtag victoria live. annita mcveigh has the news.

ba has cancelled all its flights today to italy, after the foreign office warned people not to travel there unless it was essential. it follows the italian government's decision to put the entire country into lockdown to stop the spread of coronavirus. the italian prime minister has said the strict quarantine measures introduced in the north of the country were no longer enough to contain the virus. more than 9,000 people in italy have now tested positive, and a63 have died — the largest number outside china. meanwhile, 2,500 passengers who were stranded on a cruise ship off the coast of california because of the coronavirus, because of the coronavirus have begun disembarking in san francisco. 21 people on the grand princess have tested positive for the virus. arrangements are being made to fly the 140 british holidaymakers on board back home. here, health chiefs are warning that extra measures to slow the spread of the virus may have to be applied. the deputy chief medical officer for england, drjenny harries, said that the uk will soon see a marked rise in the numbers of coronavirus cases. with a new virus like this, we normally see — we can expect, if you like, a cases. it has a relatively slow ta ke like, a cases. it has a relatively slow take off at the start and that is where we are at the moment. it will start to rise quite sharply. in

other news... this programme has discovered that a cross—party group of mps is calling on the government to change the law to stop domestic abuse survivors being penalised by the so—called "bedroom tax". the sanction cuts housing benefit for people who have a spare bedroom. the move follows the case of one woman, who'd been a victim of rape and abuse and was living in a home adapted for her safety, who suffered a 14% cut in her benefit. the european court of human rights has ruled that the policy discriminated against her, and ordered the government to pay compensation. and we'll have more on that story in a few minutes' time, just after this bulletin. boris johnson is facing a rebellion by tory mps over the involvement of chinese telecoms giant huawei in the uk's 5g network. in january, the cabinet approved huawei's partial participation in the project. but critics claim the company is a security risk because it is linked to the chinese government. a group of about 30 conservative mps want huawei's involvement to end before 2023 and may now back an amendment to the 5g legislation.

the united states has begun withdrawing troops from afghanistan, almost 19 years after the conflict there began. it's a condition of the historic peace deal agreed by the us and the taliban last month. america agreed to reduce its troops in the country from around 12,000 to 8,600 within 135 days. a therapy dog that was stolen from a 12—year—old girl with autism has been found dead. three—year—old dalmatian lottie was taken from the home of chloe hopkins in leicestershire, in december. an appeal to find lottie was widely shared on social media and had been backed by the tv presenter chris packham. police in leicestershire are appealing for information in that case. that is a summary of our news. back to you, victoria. thank you very much, annita.

why are domestic abuse survivors subject to the so—called bedroom tax? this programme can reveal that a group of mps from across the politicial divide have signed an open letter calling for the government to change the rules so domestic abuse victims don't lose out. 0ne rape survivor living in a home adapted for her safety — with a panic space — had her housing benefit cut becasue she was deemed to have a spare bedroom. the european court of human rights ruled that her rights had been infringed. the government tried to overturn that ruling but last week that was rejected. 0ur reporter anna collinson has seen the open letterfrom mps — and can tell us more about this case. this involved are women who had suffered abuse, stalking, harassment, at the hands of an ex partner. we are calling her women woman a because we can't reveal her name for safety reasons. she was living in a three bedroom property with her son, in a property specifically adapted by the police, called a sanctuary scheme home, and the idea is it gives domestic abuse

victims the ability to live in their home safely. there were special security measures in place they are, as well as a panic space. but the introduction of the spare room subsidy also known as the bedroom tax came in in 2012 and cause problems for people like woman a. the way the bedroom tax works, it means if you receive housing benefit it can be reduced if it is deemed that you have too many bedrooms in your property. for woman a, she said it had devastating consequences for her and her little boy. her housing benefit was reduced by 14% because it was real she should only have two bedrooms in her property. woman a took her case to the european court of human rights and after years of legal battles, in october, she won. the court ruled the policy unlawfully discriminated against not only woman a but all victims of domestic abuse. she was also awarded £8,600 because of the distress caused by this policy it was

confirmed it was going to stick and it would stay. that ruling stands from the european court of human rights. it is final. the nps' letter has been shared exclusively with you, with us, a programme. what does it say —— the mps' letter. you, with us, a programme. what does it say -- the mps' letter. it calls for immediate action on what they call a life—and—death matter. the majority of signatures are labour mps including stella creasy who organised the later, but there is also peter bottomley, the conservative mp, on there. the letter says the government has already committed —— the government say they have already committed to protecting domestic abuse victims in the bill but they say this undermines this. they say there are already exemptions within the bedroom tax for certain people, where night groups like foster carers, disabled siblings, some pensioners. —— for groups like foster carers. they say this stops

vulnerable women from accessing their benefit and does not protect them from being penalised. and this woman has exclusively spoken to this programme? element yes, she says all i want is a safe home for me and my child. she said the constant worry about whether they would be made to leave their home has been truly awful, making them anxious not only about money and the risk of homelessness but also has reminded her of the terrible violence she experienced and thought she would safe from. so how many people does this affect? the vast majority of people this effects our women and it is estimated there are around 3000 victims of domestic violence. at this —— a quote from the department for work and pensions says there is no plans to abolish the removal of

the spare room subsidy, known as the bedroom tax. in the studio is the lawyer representing woman a, the women in this case. rebekah carrier and also here is kizzy gardiner who is the locum mp for walthamstow — she's standing in for stella creasy mp while she's on maternity leave — and she's worked on this 0pen open letter. what do you think of this case? as explained it has been an ongoing battle to battle for a long feed of time. we started this work in 2013. my client, who we have to call client a, she had suffered terrible anxiety throughout this period. she would really have liked to come here today but she can't because the risk to her life is real. some of those assaults mentioned took place when her ex partner had to serve a sentence for

assaulting a police officer, he came out and broke into her house. this isa out and broke into her house. this is a reality that she really needs to be safe. sanctuary schemes where a very innovative thing produced in 2006. they are a national scheme and the idea is they change the dynamic so the idea is they change the dynamic so the women being abused doesn't have to become homeless, operator children and go somewhere else, but instead is made safe in her home. there is a carefully crafted arrangement between police, local authorities and other agencies. that is what has happened to her house.|j wonder if you could describe this women's house adapted for her? it is a council house adapted for her safety? council house, ordinary terraced house in an ordinary street, but to her it has to be there because she has a network of neighbours she has known for a long time, she has lived there for a long time, she has lived there for a long time, who know about the safety arrangements. she has specially adapted glass in the windows so they can't be broken, she has safe spaces in her house and she has direct lines to the police. all of that adaptation is actually quite

expensive and that is why the reels suggest you're only allowed to have it but it is cheaper than the cost of having to relocate her. she also has a spare bedroom, which is why there is this issue with her housing benefit? she has a spare bedroom because at the time she was given that property in that particular pa rt that property in that particular part of the country, as is the case across the country, and there was the limit where a shortage of two—bedroom properties and a surplus of three bedroom properties so she has always lived there with a smallerfamily has always lived there with a smaller family and that is what has worked locally. that is why the bedroom tax is quite a crude measure because housing availability differs across the country. what are the dup saying to her? she knew about this when she got a letter from her landlords and the local council saying she was in rent arrears and would have to leave. housing benefit is dealt with by people like her through the local authority, who are also lines out. she had a series of letters, year after year, also lines out. she had a series of letters, year after yea r, get also lines out. she had a series of letters, year after year, get ready

to leave, you must leave, pay your rent on the state, which of course you can't afford to do, early. that is very distressing for her, and as she says it is distressing for her because she is really anxious you will have to move and no amount of reassurance can take that anxiety away from her. it which is why she a lwa ys away from her. it which is why she always keeps a packed suitcase ready to go? element when you visit her, you notice our house is very ordinary, but all the curtains are drawn and she is very anxious about opening them, and it has a secure gate as well, and you come into the hallway and some of her things are packed and she always has said, i'm ready to go, but she is really anxious about it. it is the end, well, almost the end of a long battle for her. well, you say almost the end, and let me bring a new, if i may? the european court of human rights has said this policy is discriminatory against survivors of domestic abuse. the government tried to appeal against that and finally was told last week it cannot appeal.

the european court of human rights ruling is final and it stands, hence this call on the government to do what? we are calling on the government to extend exemptions to women affected by this. it is not a huge amount of women affected, small numbers, but there is a moral responsibility to protect them. the government has fought against this but they have lost and the time is now to extend the exemption to protect these women in the way they should be. as has been said, this will not cost a huge amount of money, it is not a financial issue, it isa money, it is not a financial issue, it is a moral issue and it is now a legal issue because the government have been told they have to do this. we are asking them to do what they have been told by the court and make the extension applied to these women so the extension applied to these women so they can be safe in their homes. 219 households, in terms of domestic abuse survivors, affected by the under occupancy penalty. we are talking about a tiny amount of money in relative government spending terms? yeah, really tiny amount, but as has been said, the women can't be here to represent herself because of

the situation she is in and with these situations affect these women and it is literally a matter of life and it is literally a matter of life and death and you hear that a lot, but this is about their safety. a small amount of women will be massively affected by the difference. a massive difference to the women and children affected in these cases. do you see any contradiction between the domestic abuse bill, which has been reintroduced, and this policy?” think there a massive incongruence between the domestic abuse bill in this policy. the government say they wa nt this policy. the government say they want to do things to help women and children affected by domestic abuse. this is great, this is a chance for them to really put their money where their mouth is, and show that through action, to people genuinely affected in these situations. let me ask you, rebekah, by the european court of human rights ruling. what did it say specifically about this case? element it looked at the measure introduced, the bedroom tax, the reasons for it, which the government may clear in their statement today, to reduce... to save money, to free up accommodation

thatis save money, to free up accommodation that is over occupied, and they say to incentivise work. although that one doesn't pan out because many of the people claiming housing benefit, actually most housing benefit claimants are in work, it is not a case about people who are not working are not willing to work. so the court looked at the measure and the court looked at the measure and the aim of it and the court said, to put it really simply, you can do this, you can achieve all of your aims, without putting the lives of these women and children at risk, it's not necessary for you to do that. most of the people affected are women, the overwhelming majority, and it is discriminatory against women in the way it impacts on women in these six games. and i mentioned the dwp statement we were given and we are carefully considering that discussing the court decision. they have no plans to get rid of the spare room subsidy. they don't need to get rid of the spare room subsidy, that is quite clear. they just of the spare room subsidy, that is quite clear. theyjust need to change the regulations. it doesn't even require a full act of parliament, they need to change the

regulations to add women who need to stay in a specially adapted century homes to be exempt. it is quite a simple thing. they could do that today. they could do that today. wightman steve tweets, the bedroom tax has failed, notjust for victims of domestic abuse but for all —— steve tweets. it must be scrapped whole sale as a failed policy. just tweets, "unreal. women and men fleeing dangerous domestic situation should be supported and flexibility in the system made for trauma survivors. trauma is one of the core courses of most mental health diagnoses. we need to get educated. thank you to your programme for covering this issue. " we will see what happens then. thank you both very much for coming on the programme. kitty gardner, replacing stella creasy when she is on leave, the local mp, and rebekah.

coming up later in the programme... we speak to the mp for wigan lisa nandy about her bid to become leader of the labour party and your next prime minister. we'll talk to two of the 140 britons who've been quarantined on a cruise ship off the coast of california. there were 21 coronavirus cases on board. the brits due to fly home today. within the last half hour, british airways has cancelled allfights to and from italy until april after the country was put on lockdown until next month to tackle coronavirus. some 60 million italians have been told to stay at home. if you were due to fly, do get in touch. meanwhile a senior consultant has told this programme that sooner or later nhs intensive care staff are going to have to make "difficult decisions" about who should be admitted to intensive care units — because finding thousands of new staff, beds and ventilators will pose a problem.

these images show coronavirus patients in a hospital in cremona in northern italy being treated by doctors wearing hazmat suits, whilst in an intensive care unit. public health officials in the country say student nurses may have to graduate early, and retired nurses may be brought back to ensure the hospitals are adequately resourced. meanwhile, passengers on board that cruise liner in california have begun disembarking after being kept off the coast of san francisco for five days. in a few minutes we'll talk to two of the 140 brits who are still on board. len and denise mcconkey say it's been a "nightmare" and they aren't being told what's going on. but first are our intensive care units in the uk prepared for this outbreak? let's talk to dr ron daniels consultant in intensive care, university hospitals birmingham andhere is peter gibb, co—founder and ceo of icusteps, a patient group for people who have been in intensive care,

and alwin puthenpura kal, an icu nurse and programme lead at university of east london. fight night welcome, all of you. i wa nt to fight night welcome, all of you. i want to start with you, dr ron daniels, if i may. intensive care particularly. are we ready? we are doing what we can. we are training staff on the use of protective equipment, we have protocols in place as to how and when to escalate care, but there is a lot about this coronavirus we don't know, particularly the size of the burden, and if some of the estimates we are hearing come true then we are going to face some real challenges. are we ready? we've heard about the provision of 5000 extra intensive ca re provision of 5000 extra intensive care beds. we have to bear in mind the uk has some of the lowest provision of intensive care beds of any country in europe and indeed in the developed world. we have half as many per capita than italy does, for example. so where are these 5000

beds going to be provided? it may be in operating theatres, and that is fine, but who will stop them? we are not going to suddenly find 10,000 more intensive care nurses, or however many hundred intensive care doctors, and the supply chain will be challenging. forgive me for asking again. are we ready?“ be challenging. forgive me for asking again. are we ready? if we look at some of the less sensationalist predictions, for example the one that 21% of the population are going to be infected at any point in time, of those around 1%, the italian experience, needing intensive care. that's 136,000 people across the uk needing intensive care within the next few weeks. that is four months‘ or five monthss‘ worth of intensive care cases. we cannot escalate our capacity rapidly enough to accommodate those patients. does that mean you‘re saying we‘re not ready? i think we are doing what we can with the resources available to be ready, but if these predictions are accurate, then we are never

going to be ready. does not mean, then, intensive care staff will have to start making decisions about who to start making decisions about who to admit to intensive care for what treatment? —— does that mean. to admit to intensive care for what treatment? -- does that mean. there are things we can do, and i will come onto that. we can cancel elective cases and some hospitals are already doing that, particularly cases needing long admissions, freeing up available beds. that will mean surgeons and anaesthetistss will not be working on elective cases, so we can provide intensive ca re cases, so we can provide intensive care in operating theatres and care can be delivered by those highly skilled but nonspecialist staff in intensive care. in terms of whether we can do this and do it at the scale required is really going to depend on whether these predictions are correct or not. ok, let me talk to our guests in the studio. do you think we have the capacity to cope? i think, learning from experience and also what doctor daniel has explained as well —— doctor daniels. there is a tremendous pressure at

the moment with the nhs but learning from the past we can definitely cope with the situation we are facing, we can definitely flex up to accommodate extra patients in our high dependency unit. how? doctor daniels talked about needing an extra 10,000 staff. i think it will also be down to the fact that we will need to provide education for the patients out in the community to prevent the illness spreading across the wider section of the community, and primarily down to hand washing, basic, good hygiene, hand washing, the best strategy available to prevent patients from coming into the itu settings as well. wright, so if people follow the basic advice then we shouldn‘t see a spike in numbers of people needing to be treated in i see you units, so we won‘t need the extra 10,000 staff? that is like crossing your fingers and hoping —— icu units.

fundamentally we can all do what we can to prevent this infection from spreading widely. principally it is all about washing your hands more often and frequently, for 20 seconds. on that point i will bring in an interview i did with a professor of anaesthesia in italy. he is called professor giacomo grasselli, who is at the university of milan and he is also medical director of the icu at one of the hospitals in milan and he is currently coordinating the network of icus in lombardy taking care of patients with coronavirus, and he told us that the uk has to get ready. what happens to us is like a bomb that exploded well they might have to be ready to take care of a huge numberof to be ready to take care of a huge number of patients and a number of patients that is growing day by day and can certainly exceed the

capacity of icu emission of any health care system, no matter how efficient and modern it is. so the most important message that you need to give to the population, then we can speak about the icu, but the most important message is to teach, to educate the population, that the only way to win this battle is to change the behaviour of the people. so they have to stay at home, they have to avoid crowded places, they have to avoid crowded places, they have to avoid crowded places, they have to wash their hands. what do you think, professor, by the fact that in the uk we are not required to stay—at—home, that large gatherings are still going ahead? for example there is a huge racing festival in cheltenham which begins today which is happening. this disease is quite strange to me. i am not an epidemiologist, so i am just saying what i am serving. we have this huge outbreak here in lombardy,

then we have several outbreaks in then we have several outbreaks in the country, but they are not comparable in dimension to what we are living through here. i don't know if it is because we have a higher density of population, because, you know, milan is a big ce ntre because, you know, milan is a big centre of people coming and going everywhere, so i do not have a clear explanation, for example, on the numberof icu explanation, for example, on the number of icu emission in italy, it is much higher than what was reported in china, and for the other countries i don't know, if you have a limited numberof countries i don't know, if you have a limited number of cases and you feel like you can contain the spread of the disease, it's fine. i would be very careful in this period, very careful, because it spreads incredibly quickly, and then... it is like, you know, fire. doctor daniels, do you take heed of that

warning? i think we would be foolish not to ta ke i think we would be foolish not to take heed of that warning and i absolutely respect what my colleague says. we do have it in our hands to delay the spread of this and mitigate against it. hand washing, but it is notjust about hand washing. it is around that bowl of crisps in the office everybody is diving into, we need to stop practices like that, stop touching ourfaces. practices like that, stop touching our faces. these are learned habits from either 49 years that will be difficult to unpick. while we can potentially impact on this, we can potentially impact on this, we can potentially slow it, but if we fail we need to heed these warnings very seriously. let me bring in peter gibb, co—founder of icusteps, the patient group for people who have beenin patient group for people who have been in intensive care. can you see a scenario whereby medical professionals like our colleagues here are going to have to start making decisions about who is admitted to intensive care should coronavirus continue to spread this country? i think with limited resources that is the sort of thing our health care professionals have

to deal with everyday, difficult decisions that, thankfully, most of us don't have to face. and they do an amazing job us don't have to face. and they do an amazingjob in us don't have to face. and they do an amazing job in making sure that everybody who can be helped is helped. but i think the advice that alwin and doctor daniels have been giving really do show the need for the general public to be part of the overall health care strategy. yeah, andi overall health care strategy. yeah, and i think most people are doing their bit, are they? you have been in intensive care, and some of it i am guessing you won‘t remember, kiss my obvious reasons. but give an insight to our audience of what kind of treatment you get there. both when i was in intensive care and with many other patients i have met since, the gratitude and the reverence for the icu staff, who do such an amazing job, is universally positive. even when, due to delirium and other psychological issues, at

the time we think that sometimes they are trying to kill us, but when we get out, back to a normal state of mind, we become very aware of the interventions they have done, the great efforts they have gone to to help us survive. and it is every second of every minute of every hour of every day? it is, but that's the thing. when you leave intensive care, you're not suddenly better. it's a very long and slow recovery process that can take 12 months, 18 months, even longer for some patients. and it is both, well, it is cognitive, psychological and physical issues these patients have to cope with. and i would imagine that seeing some of the scenes in the icy you —— icus in italy, if you are ina the icy you —— icus in italy, if you are in a delusional state, seeing people in space suits around you, thatis people in space suits around you, that is only going to add to the psychological issues, and the ptsd and things like that that patients

suffer. unfortunately, rehabilitation and support isn't a luxury, it must be part of the core pathway. many messages from viewers... martinjust pathway. many messages from viewers... martin just e—mailed, opened what i‘ve just come back from singapore and not one cheque at heathrow on living and shockingly not won at terminal five. i was checked for my temperature just walking around in singapore and there were thermal imaging cameras at shopping malls along with temperature checks. why isn‘t the uk doing this? this the reason for not doing this is the prime ministers going with medical advice. angela twitter for those on active cancer treatment, those on active cancer treatment, those immunocompromised, should be taking extra precautions? nicola asks what would you say that i would say definitely, in terms of immunocompromised patients and patients with co—morbidity we must ta ke patients with co—morbidity we must take extra precaution. meaning what? staying in. self isolating would be good. nicola says i think if people

who came home from holiday stayed at home for a couple of weeks, with that not stop the spread? so much conflicting information, it‘s hard to know what to do. that‘s interesting, i think information has been pretty straight, clear, concise. let‘s repeat it, wash your hands for 20 seconds with soap and hot water. if you‘ve got a fever or you have some kind of respiratory problems, 111. potentially in the next ten days if you‘ve got a cold, chris whitty the chief medical 0fficer chris whitty the chief medical officer may ask you to stay at home for seven days. anything i've missed? pretty for seven days. anything i've missed ? pretty much for seven days. anything i've missed? pretty much it, in a nutshell. colin says why do all people think it‘s ok to go to cheltenham or football matches? people should look at the history and the last three months worldwide and the last three months worldwide and should make their own decisions whether to stay home or not. thank you, all of you for coming on the programme. thanks for your time doctor daniels. we appreciate it and to keep your messages coming in. you can send us an e—mail. you can message me on twitter. you will know

there‘s 140 british people still on there‘s 140 british people still on the grand princess cruise ship. i spoke to two of them — len and denise mcconkey, who say it‘s been "a nightmare" and they are getting no information about what‘s going to happen to them when they get back to the uk. len started by describing what it‘s been like on board. one word, nightmare. what do you say, denise? absolute nightmare. go on, tell us why. it‘s just being confined to your cabin. we‘ve been confined there since thursday. luckily we got a balcony so at least we can go out and get some fresh air, unlike other passengers who have got inside cabins. there‘s not a lot we can do. the cabin‘s very small so there‘s probably 12 paces up and down it, so you can‘t really do anything. no exercise, nothing. i don't even think it so much that.

i think there is nobody here seems to know what they are doing... they haven't got a clue. really? yeah. why do you say that? i mean, just taking for instance my friend, daniel, they took him off the boat yesterday morning. he was off the boat for an hour, and they took him off early because he is disabled. they then decided, once he was off the boat, they had nowhere to take him, so they brought him back onto the boat. it'sjust beyond belief, really. what information have you both been given about how and when you‘re coming back to britain? i‘ve just received an e—mail, literally before we came on air, saying that they‘re hoping to take us off the boat at three o‘clock our time, probably midnight your time, saying that we will be taken to be put on a plane, but they can‘t tell us where we‘ll be going, will be going somewhere in the uk but we don‘t know where. where is home here?

in london. right. so we could end up anywhere. sorry, denise. are you going to be tested before you get off the ship, on the plane? what‘s the deal? we think we‘re getting tested as we get off the boat, because they‘ve got some tents outside on the quayside. so it looks like they are going to test us. right. and we are only presuming that because we haven't been told anything. and how do you feel about that? ijust think it's a bit insulting really. it'sjust nothing, we don't get any information whatsoever. i mean, how can they repatriate us to england, but they can't tell us where we are going? they can't even tell us what airport we are going to. we could end up anywhere in the uk. i mean, i suppose it‘s understandable that the authorities there, here, everywhere, are pretty stretched. yeah, i've not got a problem with that, but i can't see how they're being stretched means they can't tell us where we are going to go. do you know if you

are going to be... i mean, i suppose it depends on the outcome of your test, but there is there a possibility of you being in quarantine when you come back? well, nobody‘s telling us that. we are just presuming they‘re going to put us in quarantine because that is what they are doing with the americans, taking them off the boat but putting them straight into quarantine. in my eyes are quarantine started on thursday. we‘ve been quarantined now but now they‘re taking the americans off and putting them into quarantine again. the quarantine has started all over again. i'djust again. the quarantine has started all over again. i'd just like to say, this time at the moment, the crew are absolutely wonderful. no problem with the crew. we've got a problem with the crew. we've got a problem with the people in charge of them. they don't seem to know what they are doing. i know you are both self employed. how is this going to be affecting your business, what do you do? we own a business in london,

it‘s going to affect us, we can‘t invoice, we planned our holiday around the business. now it‘s just, it will affect cash flow. so we are alla it will affect cash flow. so we are all a bit worried about that. but come up with any luck you will be back in the uk sometime tomorrow, you would have thought, things go according to plan? yes but they will still say we will be quarantined for two weeks. which, i mean, we are only hearing that from london, we are not hearing that from anybody here. our friends are not hearing that from anybody here. 0urfriends in are not hearing that from anybody here. our friends in london telling us. what's going on. we seem to get a lot more information from our friends and family and then we are told here sort of an hour later. yes. but since you‘ve talked in 0akland, has that been some source of relief? it's exactly the same problem as it was at sea. no difference. we are still getting treated exactly the same, if not

worse! why do you say that? the food here, you know, i know it's a trivial matter, but when you've been locked up for six days like we have, the food here is important. my father—in—law hasn't eaten for three days. the food, we get it delivered from an outside caterer. they deliver the food. we get it delivered in paper plates. it'sjust diabolical. really is. yesterday at 8:30am we found and said could we have a cup of tea and we got it at 3:30pm yesterday afternoon. what kind of food are you getting delivered in paperbacks? not very nice. i've got to say on paper it sounds lovely. yesterday lunchtime we had cake and coq au vin. it was inedible. stone cold. you could not eat it. it was congealed. not very

nice. ok, we'll listen, we wish you well and thank you so much for talking to us. hopefully you will be back here at some point in the next 24 hours. all being well. thank you. we look forward to seeing you. cheers both of you. take care. a princess cruises spokesperson said: "the safety, health and well—being of our guests and crew is always our top priority, and we continue to make every effort to ensure they are safe and comfortable while they remain onboard. princess cruises are following guidance from the us. centers of disease control (cdc), california department of public health and other authorities. the disembarkation of guests onboard grand princess has begun and will commence in order of priority, as defined and directed by both state and local authorities. next...lisa nandy wants to become leader of the labour party and your next prime minister. today, she‘s calling for the government to extend the brexit transition period past december to help businesses struggling to cope with the coronavirus outbreak. unlike her rivals rebecca long— bailey and keir starmer she isn‘t part ofjeremy

corbyn‘s top team, and she received the fewest nominations from fellow mps, constituency parties and trade unions. but it‘s labour‘s members and registered supporters who will choose the party‘s next leader in the coming weeks. good morning to you. good morning. why should the brexit transition period be extended past december in your view? this isn'tjust a public health crisis. it‘s a global economic crisis in the making. already businesses are starting to feel the impact. we saw what happened with flybe and the level of uncertainty that coronavirus has caused, the fall in demand for services like flights because of what‘s happening around the globe. we are hearing this morning british airways cancelling flights to italy. what i‘m really worried about is the very, very many small businesses in this country that don‘t have the resilience to deal with this and when you add the fact that in 11 months‘ time we are leaving the european union and those businesses don‘t know, we‘ve already left, but we are living potentially without a trade deal, those businesses don‘t

know if they are going to be able to trade. they don‘t know what terms they will be trading on. the lesson from all of the different global economic crises that we‘ve had to deal with over the last half—century or so is that you have to minimise uncertainty and provide maximum stability. there is one thing that the government could do immediately which is to say we will continue trading on the same terms outside of the eu as we have been doing. for how much longer? for at least another year. extended to december 2021? they've got two agreed with the european union, this is notjust for the the european union, this is notjust forthe uk, the european union, this is notjust for the uk, it‘s for the eu as well but there‘s only a few months to go on to the government has to make a decision about whether they seek that extension. they have said they won‘t, they have legislated to stop that from happening. this is pure ideology over the interests of the country because there are very many business, you heard from two people who run their own cab business who are who run their own cab business who a re really who run their own cab business who are really worried about taking a couple of weeks out. stuck on a

cruise ship because they can‘t deal with invoices, they are worried about cash flow. what more uncertainty are we going to ask those businesses to cope with? how many people are going to have to lose theirjobs many people are going to have to lose their jobs before many people are going to have to lose theirjobs before we start taking this seriously? what do you think of the government approach so far? still allowing big events like cheltenham for example, to go ahead. i was really heartened to see boris johnson flanked by experts, the experts are back and the chief scientific adviser, the chief medical adviser are driving the strategy on this as i understand and it seems to me exactly right. i think panic is the worst thing we could do as a country. and one of the reasons as i understand it, for events like cheltenham going ahead is because the scientific advice is that if those events are cancelled, and people then go to much smaller venues and people then go to much smaller venues like pubs in order to watch them, they are in much closer proximity to one another and the public health risk could be greater. so we need to listen to the experts on this. if you could do one thing

in the budget tomorrow to try and win back the support of labour party voters, a due lost at the last election, but would it be? it would be the same thing that would help the country after a decade of huge cuts and real impact of public debt being loaded onto families across the country. and that is to take seriously for the first time in ten yea rs seriously for the first time in ten years the problem of child poverty. we are on course for child poverty rates to be at their highest level for 60 years. if the government does not act. i see it in my own constituency. there are children who steal from canteens at school at lunchtime in order so they got something to eat when they get home. do you know that for a fact? that has happened in my own constituency. we got parents who are so worried about the fact that school holidays are coming up because they don‘t know how their children are going to eat. i got a charity that set up a project that is actuallyjust eat. i got a charity that set up a project that is actually just about feeding children during school holidays so that they get one meal a day. in one of the wealthiest

countries in the world. and for a long time, actually, the labour party hasn‘t had a huge amount to say about that, the last two ma nifestos say about that, the last two manifestos did not address it. the last labour manifesto said we. 300,000 people from being in poverty by scrapping the benefit cap, the two child limit. we will pay childcare costs upfront so parents aren‘t forced to turn down work or get into debt to pay childcare. aren‘t forced to turn down work or get into debt to pay childcarem did not go far enough, absolutely right, the right thing to do and i support every single one of those measures but the tories are promising to raise the national insurance contribution threshold so people will keep more of their money before they start paying national insurance contributions. that doesn‘t help a lot of workers, particularly women in part—time work. you are already beneath that threshold. it helps the red just not the poorest. what would you do? instead of doing that roughly the equivalent of spending commitment would be to reverse in work benefit cuts that have happened over the last decade. we should be committing to do that, i want to see the tories do that in the budget tomorrow. you

also criticised your own manifesto for its spending commitment saying voters did not believe the list of spending commitments. voters did not believe the list of spending commitmentsm voters did not believe the list of spending commitments. if i'm really honest by the time we got to the ma nifesto honest by the time we got to the manifesto most of the electorate had stopped listening. but there was concern particularly amongst people in voters on low incomes, that this is their money and they don‘t have a lot of it so when they saw a huge range of spending commitments, especially those where we didn‘t know how we would pay for them, people were really worried that this would hit their own family incomes are hard and i do think we‘ve got to ta ke are hard and i do think we‘ve got to take that seriously. i wonder if you agree that it feels like in this contest, you cannot win the labour leadership contest if you criticise jeremy corbyn. but perhaps you can‘t wina jeremy corbyn. but perhaps you can‘t win a subsequent general election u nless win a subsequent general election unless you criticisejeremy corbyn? ijust think we unless you criticisejeremy corbyn? i just think we got to be honest, that‘s what i‘ve done since the moment i said i was standing by this leadership contest and it‘s what i‘ve done over the last few years. it's i‘ve done over the last few years. it‘s why it was honest about saying we are about to see our labour party base collapse across the country in

seats that had returned labour mps per 100 years but i‘ve been honest about what we got right and what we got wrong in the last four years. and i‘ve never shied away from speaking up about that because on issues like anti—semitism, that is really, really important. labour is harold wilson once famously said as a moral crusader readers nothing at all and we got to have an honest assessment of what we got wrong in order that we set it right. can i ask you about loyalty? 0r order that we set it right. can i ask you about loyalty? or maybe it‘s disloyalty? somejeremy corbyn supporters don‘t want you to win this contest because as they say, you were disloyal to him, you resign from the shadow cabinet and co—chaired own smith‘s failed leadership bid. how disloyal were you? i think i was the opposite, i was deeply loyal to the labour party and labour values. but the converse of that is being disloyal to the leader? we shouldn't have been in a situation where you could be loyal to labour values or to the leadership of the labour party. you are acknowledging you were disloyal tojeremy corbyn. are acknowledging you were disloyal to jeremy corbyn. no, i wasn't,

are acknowledging you were disloyal to jeremy corbyn. no, iwasn't, i went to see him in the resignations happened in 2016 and i said we have to sort this out but in order to sort this out the backbenchers may be continuing to fight a factional walk but your office can‘t continue to do that otherwise you will smash the party to pieces. it was acknowledged by senior politicians in his top team that that is precisely what would happen and are determined to do that anyway. that is not loyal to the children i was talking about in my constituency who don‘t have enough food to eat. 0ur staring down the barrel of four more yea rs of staring down the barrel of four more years of a tory government. you didn‘t give him the opportunity to fight a general election. with respect i served in the shadow cabinet for a year at that point. i‘d been out every single week defending the party, defending jeremy in really tough weeks. we had reshuffles that were going on for several weeks, i was being brought out, sent out by the party in order to defend the actions of the labour government, the labour party. the only time that i actually spoke out publicly and said that we were getting it wrong was when we had a

very high—profile incident of anti—semitism and the leadership of the party refused to act on it. i went out for a year and fought to hold the party together with both hands. through the referendum campaign as well. and it did not work. are you doing that when you weren‘t really believing it? work. are you doing that when you weren't really believing it? no, i believe that, i believe in the labour party and i believe in strong, unified, rote teams. and thatis strong, unified, rote teams. and that is what i was trying to hold together and also, it failed because there was a work being prosecuted by both sides of the labour party, i don‘t ever want is to be in a position again and the reason it‘s important to say that is because you describe yourself as genuinely non—functional when you had a leading role in a coup against the leader? several months after he won a mandate. let me correct you. i absolutely did not, i said tojeremy we up to sort this out, i will help you to sort this out as i‘ve been doing for a year. was very keen to doing for a year. was very keen to do it. and then it was made clear to me and other people, john healey,

kate green who were sitting in that room, the factional war from the leaders office would continue as well. this has been going on who said that to you? jeremy corbyn? senior members in his top team. any of the leadership candidates in this contest? no. why don't you name them. dear sturm had resigned from them. dear sturm had resigned from the front bench already, becky was a junior minister in one of the other teams. tell us who it was. because we had this conversation is behind closed doors, i don‘t think they‘ve ever spoken about it and neither have i about naming names, about conversations that happened in private. i‘d asked to seejeremy to have that meeting he did not see you? i‘d asked to see him in a confidential basis in order to do that. did you tell him i'm going to lead this office, resign and run the own smith campaign?” lead this office, resign and run the own smith campaign? i told him there was no future for the labour party if he was determined to lead us into another factional if he was determined to lead us into anotherfactional war if he was determined to lead us into another factional war and the recent what did he say? he did not say

anything. he was silent? i think he was genuinely quite upset about it and so was i. i did not resign from the front bench lightly, it was an important thing we were trying to do. but it matters that we acknowledge where we‘ve been in order that we set this right because for too long, what i‘ve seen in ten yea rs for too long, what i‘ve seen in ten years parliament and the labour party is that one faction wins and then the other troops in the party are excluded. and actually, every labour government many might agree with that assessment. they wonder how you are the person to bring all the factions together, with that history of the last few yea rs ? with that history of the last few years? i suppose in all honesty because i‘m still on good terms with all of the people involved in different sides of the dispute, i‘m genuinely non—functional, i‘ve a lwa ys genuinely non—functional, i‘ve always worked with people across the party, and because macro are supporters don‘t trust you. i don‘t think that‘s true. in this contest a lot of the people who have been talking to me at hustings saying they are supporting me are people whojoined orjeremy they are supporting me are people who joined orjeremy corbyn they are supporting me are people whojoined orjeremy corbyn because they were so inspired by what they

heard. my politics and jeremy corbyn ‘s are not hugely dissimilar, i spent ten years fighting for the rights of refugees before i came into parliament, trying to shut down yours would end in the immigration detention of children. i first met jeremy when i was marching against the iraq war, working for an mp opposed the iraq war, all sorts of issues we are fairly similar and actually, that is what the labour party has to get back to, where we can have open and honest debate with one another and make sure we get it right and pulled together in the interests of the party. on the subject of open and honest debate cani subject of open and honest debate can i ask you about trevor phillips? suspended from the labour party pending an investigation because of comments he‘s made about islam and muslim people. is that suspension the right decision? i don't know is the right decision? i don't know is the honest answer. i haven‘t seen the honest answer. i haven‘t seen the allegations against him, i don‘t even know who made them. let me ask you this, in 2016 he said muslims andi you this, in 2016 he said muslims and i could see the world differently from the rest of us. and are resistant to the traditional process of integration. is that

islamophobic? i remember that very well and i remember it islamophobic? i remember that very welland i remember it is islamophobic? i remember that very well and i remember it is it islamophobic? what i dislike about it, it's islamophobic? what i dislike about it, it‘s not for me to pronounce whether it‘s islamophobic or not. why not? you‘re going to be the labour leader. the labour leader should not be making decisions about individual cases. if i read you a comment that was and that is why this is so controversial. if i read you a comment about black people you would see immediately i‘m guessing, yes, that is racist. it depends what it was. and actually that comment, why i think that comment let me ...letme why i think that comment let me let me say this, the sentence was black people see the world differently from the rest of us, you would say to me that was racist. can i tell you i think the sentence is problematic and why i thought so at the time and was deeply uncomfortable about it? on the one hand trevor phillips was arguing at the time that muslim people, people who are muslim or not a race and therefore can‘t experience racism and on the other hand he‘s saying they are fundamentally different

from other people and stereotyping them is one homogenous group. those two things are not only incompatible but it seems to me that is not a good place to have gotten into your stereotyping one group of people in a particular way. i‘ve had this conversation is before with many people. i don't understand why you are reluctant to say is potentially islamophobic. you are asking me to pronounce on an individual case and the labour party and the recent i‘m asking you what your opinion is of the sentence. swap it from muslims to jews. i don't like that statement. i don‘t think it‘s helpful. i think it unfairly characterises muslims as one homogenous group with one set of beliefs and one method of behaviour and actually that is really unhelpful. there was a report that the all party parliamentary group did into islamophobia which highlighted precisely statements like this as unfairly characterising muslims as one particular group and actually come islam, there is a very real and live debate about

islamophobia, about some of the issues that trevor phillips was raising. let me tell you the muslim council of britain says he has made incendiary statements about muslims that would be unacceptable for any other minority. that is why this complaint deserves to be heard. and it deserves to be taken seriously. so it‘s not 0rwellian as the former labourmp so it‘s not 0rwellian as the former labour mp lord mann says? we got to ta ke labour mp lord mann says? we got to take seriously complains about islamophobia just as we take seriously complains about the mag anti—semitism or any other form seriously complains about the mag anti—semitism or any otherform of racism but we‘ve also got to do is ta ke racism but we‘ve also got to do is take them out of the hands of the leadership of the labour party and thatis leadership of the labour party and that is why as somebody who may be a leader of this party and three and a half weeks, i am not prepared to be judge and jury on individual cases. that is how we lost the trust of the public it‘s not how we are going to restore it. let me ask you about the ballot papers. the fact that some haven‘t yet been sent out. one source close to the leadership, to jeremy corbyn, called it a part

cock—up, part conspiracy, what do you think it is? i don't know, is the honest answer but i was inundated with complaints from members who either haven‘t receive their ballot papers or a number who have complained about not receiving their ballot papers but haven‘t had any response from the party. what do you think is going on?” any response from the party. what do you think is going on? i wrote to the party and asked what was happening and as i understand it, there are a large number of people who particularly new members, who have been vetted by the party and told that they are ineligible to vote. as i understand it, the criteria that the party is using is to check people against the electoral register. now you‘re talking about domestic violence earlier, one group of people who may not will be on the register or domestic violence survivors because they come off the register in order to protect their whereabouts from their predators and attackers that have caused him so much harm. i‘ve asked the party the question what are you doing in the case of domestic violence survivors? i haven‘t had a clear answer. there

are serious problems here that need to be addressed. but is it bureaucracy or is there something more sinister going on? there is definitely a problem with the number of very, very junior staff who definitely a problem with the number of very, veryjunior staff who are being asked to deal with the huge number of complaints and concerns about missing ballot papers. there is clearly a problem with the number of members who feel very, very strongly that they‘d been disenfranchised. the party has to sort this out, has to be transparent about how it‘s doing it because the next labour leader whether that‘s me, keir starmer or becky, has to come out of this with people knowing that this was a fair and transparent process and that they are out with a members choice. despite your views on the market you would vote to abolish it, there was ever a referendum, do you think eggen markle will be a loss to public life in this country? yes, i don't know what the plans are, i don‘t know whether they will continue to play some sort of role in public life in

the country. —— megan morgan. she‘s been very good for britain in the last few years. i thought the wedding was quite a moment. you saw a mixed—race young woman marrying potentially future heir to the throne. —— megan marco. really big moment for the country. always been, suits, it went a bit rubbish after the third serious but i thought it was a good thing, she speaks up for women‘s rights, she campaigns about global issues, poverty, misogyny. all of these things are really important nowadays. you will miss her? i don‘t think she‘s going anywhere. i strongly suspect as well having watched the way harry has conducted himself over the course of his lifetime he will continue to play a campaigning role. ok. quick one, really quick because we are coming to the end of the programme, why hasn‘t the labour party had a woman as a leader? the honest answer is we never voted for one message to the members is if you think that someday good enough on that ballot paper who is a woman to lead this party, vote for her because it is time. thank you, lisa nandy. quick

bit of breaking news. campaigner has lost a court of appeal challenge against the government over gender neutral passports. more on that on bbc newsroom live coming up next. thanks for your company today. have a good day. back tomorrow at 10am. good morning. rather we had started the day across north—west england and wales, heavy rain since about 3pm yesterday afternoon. the rain across wales starting to ease, it would also ease off across the north west of england, just left with some

showers into the afternoon, the same for scotland and northern ireland, some sunny spells here, staying quite cloudy in the sun, rain in south wales and these are the wind gust, quite breezy conditions for many of us. just 50—55 miles an hour over at the welsh hills and pennines. quite mild if not warm for england and wales, 17 degrees possible, turning chillierfurther north, temperatures for many in double figures. the night rain will continue across the south, some cloud, keeping temperatures up. elsewhere we will see temperatures dropping away, the risk of snow and ice across scotland and northern ireland, into the early part of tomorrow. showers will continue in scotland, wintry over higher ground, further south in a cloud clearing away from southern parts, sunny spells, temperatures again into the mid teens. goodbye for now.

you‘re watching bbc newsroom live. it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: british airways cancels all flights to italy after the italian prime minister orders the most stringent nationwide restrictions since the second world war. translation: the right decision is to stay home. 0urfuture is in our hands. we must be responsible. in the uk, five people infected with the virus have died — scientists confirm it takes around five days for coronavirus symptoms to appear. night—time delivery restrictions will be eased for some supermarkets to help stores keep their shelves stocked amid fears of panic buying. british holidaymakers on board the coronavirus—hit cruise ship