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pope francis has urged people not to yield to fear over coronavirus, calling on them to be messengers of life in a time of death. doctors in the united kingdom say that some key drugs that are used in intensive care are in relatively short supply, as hospital wards struggled to cope with the pressures of the coronavirus pandemic. the british prime minister says he owes his life to the nhs staff who had been treating him. sir keir starmer welcomes the news that parliament will be back on the zist. that parliament will be back on the let. it that parliament will be back on the 21st. it is very important in a crisis like this that parliament is sitting so decisions can be properly scrutinised, so that the concerns of constituents can be put to relevant ministers. that is why i am saying
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parliament must be recalled as soon as possible. how we set is obviously as possible. how we set is obviously a question we will have to discuss, because physically it is impossible to see how we can sit in the usual way. we will have to think differently. in new zealand they have set up a select committee to look at the coronavirus, chaired by the leader of the operation and it meets on a daily basis and it uses technology. that may be one possibility. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are david wooding, political editor at the sun on sunday, and the author and journalist, rache shabi.
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the sunday telegraph warns that hospitals face running out of gowns to protect doctors against coronavirus. the sunday times reports on plans for a mobile phone app that will trace every contact of people infect with covid—i9. the mail on sunday leads with borisjohnson's tribute to the nhs staff who, he says, saved his life. the same story makes the front page of the express. it says the pm is thankful to the medical staff who looked after him in intensive care at st thomas' hospital. the observer leads on cross—party calls for the urgent recall of parliament as the uk's death toll from coronavirus continues to climb to nearly 10,000. and a grim warning in the mirror that hospitals face a shortage of vital drugs to help coronavirus patients.
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so, let's begin with the mail on sunday. boris, the nhs saved my life, the full inside story. he was so life, the full inside story. he was so sick that all number ten staff could do was pray. rachel, he is paying tribute to the nhs, but the mail has, to slot in for the prime minister which, of course, mail has, to slot in for the prime ministerwhich, of course, people wa nt to ministerwhich, of course, people want to see him well and back at work, but that is tempered with the fa ct work, but that is tempered with the fact that there are thousands of other people also ill and who have died. that's exactly right. i, like most people, people across the country, are happy to hear that borisjohnson is country, are happy to hear that boris johnson is feeling country, are happy to hear that borisjohnson is feeling better and we wish him the best of health. however, the way that the daily mail and some other newspapers are covering this would make an saddam
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era stenographer blush, it would be too much for them. this is not a time when we need the gossipy love in style details of this story when, as you say, we have close to a thousand people dying every day for the last two days. it is the highest in europe. we had more time to prepare. we saw this happening in other countries and italy and spain three weeks ago and we had time to prepare. the newspapers should be focusing on that. they should not be diverted with tittle tattle about the films that boris johnson diverted with tittle tattle about the films that borisjohnson is watching in hospital. it is vital that we ask critical questions now and it is an absolute dereliction of duty to the public that our tabloids are not doing that right now. dave, i supposed to hear how the prime minister was treated in hospital, champions the nhs even further.
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everybody is in or of what doctors and nurses are doing. i supposed to hear some of those human details, and the story of how he is improving, will at least give people hope. and it is easter, that is the message of this time of year. hope. and it is easter, that is the message of this time of yeahm hope. and it is easter, that is the message of this time of year. it is very unsettling for the nation when your head of government is unwell in this way in the middle of a crisis, the man leading from the front is incapacitated. he was moved into intensive care. i think most people probably felt a bit unsettled. you do want to know the story behind this. you can discuss it as tittle tattle as you wish. if you don't wa nt tattle as you wish. if you don't want to read this sort of stuff you can buy broadsheet papers and read the really deep, heavy detail and a depressing detail, all of which is in the tabloid papers as well, but the tabloid papers look on personalities as well because they attract a bigger and different audience. what happened to boris
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johnson is of interest. he has praised the nhs, he said it was a sobering and life changing event for him, not only for him but for everybody in government. it has got to the stage now, i don't know about you, but we all perhaps no somebody or have met somebody or have a memberof herfamily ora or have met somebody or have a member of her family or a neighbour ora member of her family or a neighbour or a friend who has been affected by this in some way. it brings it home to you when you see people going down with this disease, how none of us are down with this disease, how none of us are safe and we must all stay indoors to protect the nhs and save lives. we are not expecting the prime minister back at work anytime soon. just because you're out of intensive care means you are fit and healthy yet. no, apart from the race between a soul to try and find out what the story was behind the prime ministerand what the story was behind the prime minister and sell it as hard as we can to our readers, we
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minister and sell it as hard as we can to oui’ readers, we were minister and sell it as hard as we can to our readers, we were also trying to find out when he is going to get out. i wouldn't be surprised if he will be out of hospital in the next two days perhaps, i think it might be sooner than we think. however, because he has been in intensive care he will be laid up for three or four weeks because the rule of thumb is that for every night you spent in intensive care he needed a week to recover, so i don't expect him to be back in number ten for some time to come yet. rachel, the sun on sunday, you have saved my life, i can't thank doctors and nurses enough. of course, the focus is so much on the extraordinary work thatis is so much on the extraordinary work that is being done in hospitals and ca re that is being done in hospitals and care homes. there are many health ca re care homes. there are many health care workers who are not in hospitals but are still doing an extraordinarily difficultjob. this is surely going to prompt a discussion after the pandemic about how we value those workers the future. first of all i would
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politely suggest that if you have a tabloid with a wider circulation, there is a public responsibility to perch more information on the front page thanjust perch more information on the front page than just about borisjohnson's week. secondly, ithink page than just about borisjohnson's week. secondly, i think you're absolutely right, there are questions to be asked, but there are questions to be asked, but there are questions to be asked, but there are questions to be asked right now. we don't need to wait until all this is over. we can course correct. there are things that if we ask now you can work out what to do, how to fix things unless you have find out why they have gone wrong. there are important questions to be asked right now that could course correct and could result in fewer people being exposed to harm, especially when you look at front—line workers. as you say, doctors and nurses and health workers in general, as well as care home staff, but also other key workers we are hearing about
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transport workers also tragically dying, so they are other key workers that need to be protected at this critical time. rachel, that need to be protected at this criticaltime. rachel, the that need to be protected at this critical time. rachel, the sunday telegraph as talking about hospitals on the brink of running out of guidance. again, we have been hearing from about 100 firms who said that four weeks ago they a nswered said that four weeks ago they answered a call from the government and never heard anything back. if there is an enquiry after the fact, this is surely going to feature, about how the calls went out and nobody actually ordered anything? about how the calls went out and nobody actually ordered anything7m should be part of an enquiry, i ee, should be part of an enquiry, i agree, but i cannot stress enough that it should be a question that is asked now. we cannot work out how to fix this unless we work out what went wrong. the who said in early february that there was going to be a shortage of this key equipments and that governments should prepare for that. we had two months to
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figure this out. the telegraph today is focusing on the shortage of gardens. it has quotes from doctors saying that they feel like lambs led to the slaughter. it also mentions that the provision of ppe is being propped up by donations, including i have to say from turkey, which donated some cats, and also a well—known diy chain. we need to know why it was only a few days ago that the government asked people, companies that could make this equipment, to make it. we are not at the time when companies need to be asked. we need the government to know exactly which factories have the capacity to make this kit and basically requisition them to do so. there has been criticism of the health secretary, matt hancock, and priti patel overtone, and the latter
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because my case, and choice of language in the former‘s case, suggesting ppe is not being regarded asa suggesting ppe is not being regarded as a precious enough resource. and the home secretary saying i'm sorry if you feel that we have let you down. tone is so important. when politicians are standing in front of the nation explaining what they are doing, they can't afford to get this stuff wrong. they are right in the middle of a storm here and matt hancock will probably regret what he said about profligate use of personal protective equipment. this isa personal protective equipment. this is a running sore for the government, without a doubt. it is the one big issue apart from testing, i think, the one big issue apart from testing, ithink, which the one big issue apart from testing, i think, which will come back to haunt them throughout this long—running crisis. they need to get a long—running crisis. they need to geta grip long—running crisis. they need to get a grip of this one really quickly. in the sunday mirror, we are running out of drugs for the sickest patients. this is a sedative
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thatis sickest patients. this is a sedative that is required for you to be put ona that is required for you to be put on a ventilator. yes, i have to look at this one. these are the drugs which are used when you are put on a ventilator. you have to sedate the patient, obviously, because it is an invasive treatment. the problem is that normally when somebody gets pneumonia, they are on a ventilator for four or five days, but with coronavirus it is 10—15 days, and there are former patients coming in. it is gobbling up the supplies and they are having to use alternatives. there is even some rationing of these drugs going on. one of these doctors concerned in the sunday mirror says we have enough of another drug for about five days. we will use order drugs like morphine to sedate patients. the problem is, they will take significantly longer
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to wake up. the scale of this crisis is such that it is affecting every aspect of medical care. something perhaps that will be interrogated when parliament resets after easter, which we will come to any moments. let's go to the sunday times, rachel. nhs phone app holds key to lifting the lockdown. this is the idea that mobile phones which can geo— tag where we have been, will be able to trace every contact the people have had and therefore trace the infection. a great idea in principle, but in normal times there would be a clamour over invasion of privacy, wouldn't there? that is absolutely right. tracing is the thing that is signposted as something that can help to ease the lockdown, because after that is eased you need to be able to dampen down outbreaks very quickly. i have to say that there is not one health
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expert i have spoken to who have not asked why contact tracing was stopped by this government is in mid—march, manual contract —— contact tracing. perhaps the tabloid would like to ask that question, as well. this phone app, there are security concerns around it. jonathan evans, the former head of mi5, jonathan evans, the former head of m15, has written about the security questions in the sunday times, but from what i understand of the sunday times describing this and also some tech magazines, it is information thatis tech magazines, it is information that is potentially scrambled. it is transmitted only on bluetooth and the idea is that it transmits only your proximity to somebody who has the covid—19 virus. i think it is about frequency of exposure, so if
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you know you have been near a number of people who have been exposed, it adds up to a significant period of exposure, then you may be asked to self—isolate. but i think there are much more details that need to emerge about this and it is one of the things that parliament should really be scrutinising when it opens is the security elements of this app. i think it is something that they did in south korea, which is how they were able to get on top of the problem there. some of the measures that have been brought in, temporary measures, i'm sure that there will be mps who would want to ensure that after this is over those measures are ta ken ensure that after this is over those measures are taken off the statute books. yes. there is a bit of a debate going on within government at the moment is about how long the lockdown should continue. some people are calling for an easing of the restrictions. things such as
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allowing some children to go back to school, or allowing rural workers to go back to work. you can do currency exchange on your laptop from home but you can cope —— cant go picking fruit from home. 0thers but you can cope —— cant go picking fruit from home. others are saying we need to remain lockdown. is that you're going to be more harmful to us than the actual disease, some people are saying. priti patel yesterday were saying how there have been 120% spike in domestic abuse and the education secretary is worried about children at home, vulnerable kids, lots of them are not turning up, people have vanished off the register and so forth. there are concerns off the register and so forth. there are concerns about more thanjust the coronavirus itself. it is about
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the coronavirus itself. it is about the effects the whole crisis is having on our way of life, and it is huge. that point takes us to the sunday telegraph story, lockdown puts vulnerable children at risk. i heard about one social worker who said that when she discovered that the schools would close she was physically sick because she realised it meant that safe space that vulnerable children have when they go to school would be shut to them, potentially. that's right. it is a really horrifying thought that so many children who are, as you say, vulnerable, have been essentially placed at risk potentially by this lockdown. that also applies to domestic abuse victims. we have seen those figures spike in the last few weeks. the safe space, the places where people can go to escape difficult situations at home have now been eliminated because we are
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being asked to stay at home. i do think we are all watching this feeling deeply uneasy about the consequences for vulnerable people. the other element is that a lot of people are suffering extreme poverty with this lockdown. for many school children, their school meal will be the one meal that they are guaranteed to have every day. there are all sorts of elements to this and we do need to think much more clearly about how we are going to protect those most vulnerable in our society. dave, the observer looks at the party is uniting to demand the recall of parliament. it will be that they all turn up at the houses of parliament, there will have to be some technological fix for this. sir keir starmer is leading the charge on this. there is a fear that the government isn't being held properly
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to account, apart from those six questions to broadcasters and newspapers get at the daily press conference. some mps, well i think the labour party have behaved quite well on this one and have not tried to score... well, they have scored political points, but not cheap ones, they have raised legitimate concerns ones, they have raised legitimate concerns have been broadly supported at the action taken. nevertheless, there are calls for the business of parliament to continue. it could be done like we are doing this here, seeing the inside of mp's holmes! 0n the other hand, david davis, the tory mps, is saying that they think they should return in person as soon as possible. he said the house of commons map and there were error rates going on during the war, why can't they do it now? and there is no reason why they couldn't all be
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tested for covid—19 and get on with their business in the chamber. it shows that mps on all sides of the house want to resume business as soon as possible. it is the 21st of april when parliament is meant to resume. i really can't see that happening. i was pleased to see yesterday that lad bible, a magazine for young gentlemen was called to ask a question at a press conference. i thought that was wonderful, that a very different sort of audience was getting to ask a question. the idea of coming back to the palace of westminster would send a very peculiar message to everybody else who is supposed to be keeping distance from each other, wouldn't it? exactly that. i don't think it is appropriate for an mp to suggest that parliament physically meets. that is exactly the wrong
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messaging to be sending out. it undermines the public health messaging that the government and others are working so hard to send out. definitely not helpful. as you say, there is a request for parliament to meet virtually. as keir starmer was saying, the leader of the opposition, there isn't a substitute for parliamentary scrutiny. we do need, when we think about all the measures that have been taken, we do need that level of rigour and scrutiny that parliament can provide to make sure that the action taken is correct, pick up any mistakes, but basic accountability that happens every day is so much more vital and essential right now in the middle of this crisis. finally, a quick word for both of you about the sunday times story, that coronavirus has us sleeping again. a third of people are
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troubled in their sleep, others are sleeping much better. a lot of people have financial worries that they wake up to everyday. people have financial worries that they wake up to everydaylj people have financial worries that they wake up to everyday. i think it is so important that we are aware of that. 0bviously, is so important that we are aware of that. obviously, the financial difficulty, but also the anxiety. a lot of people who have mental health anyway, they stand to be made worse by the situation. not a surprise to me at all that there are so many of us who are struggling to get to sleep, waking up in the middle of the night orjust sleep, waking up in the middle of the night or just feeling sleep, waking up in the middle of the night orjust feeling generally very anxious during the day. it also at the same time, there are people who are sleeping well and lockdown dreams are very vivid dreams, that is definitely a thing. dave, it seems like a lot of teenagers, surprise, surprise, using this as an opportunity to turn day into night. massive extended lie ins for teenagers. what i am enjoying because they don't have to commute
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in every day is being able to spend the first half hour of newspaper reading in bed with her t. very civilised! enjoy it while it lasts. thank you very much, both of you. hospital consultants in the uk have told the bbc that some medicines are in relatively short supply. the royal college of anaesthetists say stocks of medicines in some areas are also stressed. they say staff have been advised to find alternatives but have reassure patients that they would not be put at risk. let's talk about the nature of this virus. frank ryan is a co nsulta nt of this virus. frank ryan is a consultant physician and
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evolutionary biologist. we get to speak to some very eminent people! frank, thank you forjoining us. what would you like to know about the coronavirus, covid—19, that you don't know yet? well, i come to a very different direction. there are two sides to this story and all we are hearing at the moment is one side. that is the prevention of the infection. everything is about prevention. even if we got a vaccine, that is the prevention of infection. i come in as a clinician, someone who attacks back on the other side, looking to stop or kill the virus that is causing the infection, which is a very different sort of approach. a long time ago in the late 1980s, early 90s i
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travelled to a lot of different countries speaking to a most remarkable group of doctors. they we re remarkable group of doctors. they were the people who ended the scourge of tuberculosis. nobody thought that was possible. the reason i went to see them as i wa nted reason i went to see them as i wanted to know why did they think what they were doing, what were they doing, what did they have in mind and how did they do it? something really important came from it. i wrote a book called tuberculosis, the greatest story never told. i was a bit critical of the fact that people had left it so long to go and speak to these people and get their story, because their story was absolutely important. when this book was published, in the review in the new york times they said a critical factor in all of this is the fact that no single drug is going to cure
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an entity as powerful as tuberculosis, then they took this further to say that there also should now colour the way we are looking at how to get rid of aids, and they were right. if you get an infected person, these entities are so powerful, these superbugs, what happens is throughout the tissues of the infected person you have billions of bugs, whether bacteria or viruses, and they are in different groups and each of the groups is mutating, so that already within a heavily infected patient you have the potential somewhere in all of that to develop a resistance toa all of that to develop a resistance to a single therapy. we are right on the cusp of therapy is beginning to appearfor the actual the cusp of therapy is beginning to appear for the actual treatments of covert. 0ne appear for the actual treatments of covert. one of the very important ones is a drug called rim there is
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we will hear more about it this month, so we will hear about it very soon. it is a bit like streptomycin with tuberculosis. george orwell was given that by the then minister of health, he managed to get a small supply through from america and save his life. it did save his life anti—he wrote his great book 1984, then the disease returned, and this time it killed him. the reason why it recurred is that he was taking and monothera py. it recurred is that he was taking and monotherapy. the small group within him, all the bugs were wiped out except that little group that was resistant to that medication. that they multiplied so when the disease came back, i'm afraid it wouldn't respond to that medicine. this is the key we have to carry forward now on our research uncovered, we forward now on our research uncovered , we are forward now on our research
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uncovered, we are going to have to test combination therapies, usually three different antiviral therapies at once. i think we have got to be thinking i already about doing tests. we have to test one at a time to see if they work at all, but as soon as we find drugs that will work, and we have a list of about 50 to test, and testing is going on as i speak all around the world, as soon as we get three that have some effect and work in different ways, we must go straight on from there and start combination therapy testing, because that is where the end of this epidemic is going to lie. when we have an effective triple therapy, covid—19‘s power over us will end. i have so many questions i would like to ask. frank ryan, thank you very much. time for the weather.
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there is a change of weather type throughout today and into tomorrow. a warm day in the site today, but things are turning a lot colder in the north and we are expecting to see some heavy downpours and thunderstorms. through the rest of easter sunday, england and wales has quite a bit of dry and sunny weather, but one or two isolated showers cropping up. cloudy with some outbreaks of times for parts of northern ireland. temperatures in belfast just 11 degrees. northern ireland. temperatures in belfastjust 11 degrees. showers moving into scotland. 25 degrees in the south—east, and that he pulled spark off some further thunderstorms. elsewhere tonight, a fairly chilly night with a touch of frost for northern england, scotland and northern ireland first thing tomorrow morning. easter monday are much colder feeling day across the board, especially for eastern scotla nd board, especially for eastern scotland on the east coast of england with a northerly breeze. temperatures here just between six and 9 degrees. warmerfurther west.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. as the number of people who have died from coronavirus in the uk is expected to reach 10,000 today, a leading scientific advisor once they could be worse to come and the government should have acted sooner. the uk is likely to be one of the worst if not the worst affected country in europe. the uk parliament remains on course to return on april 21, a date agreed by mps before the easter recess, with mps likely to attend virtually. the us overtakes italy to have the highest death toll from coronavirus in the world. more than 20,000 people have now died. in his easter message, pope francis
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