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hello. this is bbc news. we'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment. first, the headlines. the number of deaths from coronavirus in uk hospitals has today passed 20,000. the virus has now claimed the lives of 200,000 people around the world. for the nation in particular, this is a deeply tragic and moving moment. all our thoughts and sympathies are with those individuals that have
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lost family members through this horrendous, absolutely appalling virus. downing street has announced the prime minister will return to work on monday. the world health organization warns that people who have recovered from coronavirus may not be protected from reinfection. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are rosamund urwin, senior reporter for the sunday times, and broadcaster penny smith. tomorrow's front pages. the express hails the return of borisjohnson after recovering from the virus,
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saying he'll be back at his desk for key meetings regarding easing the lockdown. the mail on sunday leads on the story about a so—called "game—changing" immunity test that could check if people have developed immunity to the coronavirus. the observer says borisjohnson will return to work facing a "lockdown dilemma" as scientists suggest the number of cases is still too high for measures to be relaxed. the telegraph's headline: two weeks‘ quarantine if travelling to the uk — that plan would apply to britons returning and foreigners arriving at airports and ports. keir starmer leads the mirror with calls to ministers to stop treating brits in lockdown like children. he says the nation deserves to know how life will be restarted. the times also focuses on easing the lockdown. it says tory grandees are calling on the pm to ease lockdown measures. with me are rosamund urwin, senior reporter for the sunday times,
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and broadcaster penny smith. rosamund, we are going to look first at the observer. the prime minister returns to face lockdown dilemma scientists worn over grim virus data. we have penny here as well. rosamund, what do you make of the observer? well, we passed this grim milestone today of 20,000 deaths, which obviously is quite a shocking number because it was the number that was talked about at the beginning, saying we would get off relatively lightly if you are than that date. and we are past that now, which is a horrific milestone to have passed. the observer is saying that actually, the number of new cases is not falling as fast as you would hope it would in orderfor us to think about easing lockdown. 0bviously, to think about easing lockdown. obviously, there is a lot of pressure now on the prime minister and cabinet from people saying, hang
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on, the damage to business here is vast. the damage to the economy is vast. the damage to the economy is vast and is this going to have a terrible knock—on effect on people's lives which will cost lives as well? that is the dilemma he is facing. penny smith, the interesting point is that when boris johnson penny smith, the interesting point is that when borisjohnson was away, we we re is that when borisjohnson was away, we were told that the cabinet could get by without a prime minister and that no one needs to take these big decisions and that everyone gets on. but it turns out those big decisions can't be put off forever. eventually, the point of a prime minister is to take a difficult decision, so boris johnson minister is to take a difficult decision, so borisjohnson will face that on his first day back. absolutely, and i think up until now, there has been this feeling that everybody has been backing off and not wanting to make big decisions, and they are big decisions. after all, when we look at the numberof decisions. after all, when we look at the number of dead, it does not include care homes and hospices and those who have died at home. so that could bring it to possibly even
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double. 0ne could bring it to possibly even double. one of the other papers, there is a comment from a government source saying that now that boris johnson is going to be back at his desk on monday, you are going to see greater clarity, energy and purpose. and i think there have been many people who have been saying a number of things about the prime minister. 0ne of things about the prime minister. one is the fact that without him being there, people feel stymied and as though they can't make decisions. secondly, there has been this worry that because he was so very ill, he might be reluctant to take certain decisions. and there are other papers which are saying this is definitely not the case. the sunday times now has a similar kind of story, rosamund 0wen. tory grandees tell pm it is time to ease the lockdown. i don't know if you had any input into this? it is not one of my stories, but i have obviously read it. essentially, they have
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spoken to a number of tory donors who are saying we need to look at measures to ease this. the damage to business is the big thing. these are people who have given money to the tory party including peter hargreaves of hargreaves lansdown rental services, who is saying that an extended lockdown would do more harm to people's health by putting them out of business. that is the fear here. i should add i spent today covering a little protest in trafalgar square about the lockdown, and only seven people showed up. were they all two metres apart? well, it wasn't hard to be two metres apart. so i do think that the public is still largely onside with this, although there is data to show a few more cars on the road and
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people are slightly returning to a bit more of a normal life, but it is still a very abnormal life for everybody. it is. let's look at the sunday express now. it is still focusing on the prime minister. prime minister is back to tighten grip on crisis. penny smith, picking up grip on crisis. penny smith, picking up on what rosamund was saying, do you think the public is still onside with the lockdown measures? it's interesting, isn't it? all we can do is talk about what we know anecdotally. i think people are starting, what is it, 34 days now?” have given up counting.” starting, what is it, 34 days now?” have given up counting. i think people are starting to say, hold on, we keep being promised things like the tests, and then they don't appearand the tests, and then they don't appear and they are always just around the corner. there is so much in tomorrow's papers about how these tests are going to be coming on
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stream in may and june. but tests are going to be coming on stream in may andjune. but i tests are going to be coming on stream in may and june. but i think people will be looking at those and saying, but we heard all this before. meanwhile, our jobs saying, but we heard all this before. meanwhile, ourjobs are going, we don't know where our next meal is coming from. obviously at the moment, it is being made difficult to get out of a rental home, but at some point that might stop. when people start getting really worried and saying, i don't know whether we are going to survive, and they are just looking at the fact that they can't even pay the most rudimentary bills, it will bea the most rudimentary bills, it will be a real problem. one of the papers says that britain could be the hardest hit in the whole of europe economically if we don't unlock sooi'i. economically if we don't unlock soon. rosamund urwin, picking up on that, there is one argument i have heard on this programme before, which is that the public itself started the lockdown before the hole andindeed started the lockdown before the hole and indeed put pressure on the
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government to impose a lockdown after that pressure. now the public wa nts to after that pressure. now the public wants to eat out of the lockdown. to what extent are ordinary people deciding this policy that the government might occasionally have to catch up with? well, i think we should be pleased with the government, really. they can get a lot of criticism for taking so long to do the lockdown at the beginning, but we should also be happy that our government is reluctant to curb our freedoms like that. they could have made that decision much faster, but ido made that decision much faster, but i do think there is something healthy about a society where a government doesn't want to say to people, obviously they have to make decisions and i am sure they will come under a lot of criticism for the fact that it was made relatively late compared to other countries, and the knock—on effect of that now is that we are seeing other countries ease these things like denmark and belgium. so people can start playing sport again in a limited capacity. more shops are
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opening on the continent, while we looked like we are going to have an extended one, although i would add that there is a suspicion that boris johnson back at work on monday, will make a statement about a timetable because there is pressure coming from the opposition and the new labour leader, sir keir starmer, saying, we need to treat people like adults. we need to say to them, this is the situation and this is what it is the situation and this is what it is going to look like. at the moment, it feels like things keep being extended and penny is right to talk about testing because one of the big hopes here is the antibody test, which we keep hearing about but it's a complicated thing to get right. brilliant research is going on there, so there are these possible solutions that will help, but lots of them feel a long way away. and matt hancock has my deadlines are getting to 100,000
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testing of people with the virus is obviously next week, and it doesn't look likely that we will hit that. it does not. i don't know how many letters the prime minister gets a day or how many papers they can squash into those red briefcases that we see, but i imagine one that probably makes it to the top of that briefcase is the letter featured on the front page the sunday mirror from the leader of the opposition. stop treating us like children. rosamund, you just mentioned this. penny smith, the leader of the opposition, keir starmer, has said he wants to be constructive in his comments during this crisis but he has now come out with a pointed letter. british people deserve to be pa rt letter. british people deserve to be part ofan letter. british people deserve to be part of an adult conversation about what comes next, he says.” part of an adult conversation about what comes next, he says. i think he is echoing what nicola sturgeon said in scotland a few days ago, which everybody who listened to it was nodding along and saying yes, please include us in this conversation. and reflecting on other stories we have
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been hearing this week about sage, this secret organisation with other scientists and the fact that dominic cummings has been there, the prime minister's chief adviser has been at these meetings and there are now calls for that to be more transparent and report its deliberations so that we can see what their discussion is. the worry at the moment is because dominic cummings has been at these meetings, the worry is that what we have seen from those has been skewed, whether or not it has been. i do think there isa or not it has been. i do think there is a groundswell of opinion from people saying, look, ok, there will be conspiracy theorists who were attacking 5g masts, one of them the one that says the birmingham nightingale hospital. 0k, there are
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idiots who do that sort of thing. but generally, we like to be kept informed. the problem is that when people like matt hancock, the health secretary, say to us, we are going to do this by then and it doesn't happen, that is when the trust starts to go. as rosamund were saying about the tests, there are some tests coming in in may, some allegedly coming in june. some tests coming in in may, some allegedly coming injune. the problem is that we are getting to the stage where we go, yeah, yeah, but are they? we will look now at the sunday telegraph, a paper which has traditionally been sympathetic to borisjohnson. has traditionally been sympathetic to boris johnson. it has traditionally been sympathetic to borisjohnson. it has a picture of him on the front page, but there is also a specific story here in the top left. two weeks of quarantine if travelling to the uk. the plan would apply to britons returning and foreigners arriving at uk airports and ports. there seems to have been and ports. there seems to have been a loophole that people are talking about for weeks that all of us are meant to be isolating and we do so without much protest, but we are wondering why people are allowed to
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come in on planes with whatever passport they might have without any restrictions once they get here. that's right, lots of people have been raising this concern for a long time. of course, people were looking initially at the countries that had very high rates, light coming in from iran and places which were further ahead of us in terms of the development of the virus and the spread of the virus. and we were then placing restrictions on our own freedoms when that was going on. the telegraph story is talking about aping a policy that singapore has used. that would be putting people in quarantine and restricting their freedoms, but for a short period. and if this is taken up, it would involve substantial fines if those people then broke that quarantine. penny smith, does it say in this
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article whether they stay in airport hotels? no, they are supposed to give them an address and they say, i will stay at this address, and then they get given the large fines if you fail to stay at that address. i can see quite a large hole in that kind of suggestion, because who is going to check? and are you supposed to be absolutely in quarantine for 14 days? if you have just arrived and you are staying at this place, what about the other people staying there etc? and are you allowed to go out at all, even one hour a day, i don't know. i can see so many problems with this. mind you, as rosamund was saying, it has been one of those conversations that has been had by so many people. we have people coming in from so many places, chinese flights, for
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example. we did see matt hancock saying he was sympathetic when asked on another news channel about this point, so it is clearly something ministers have been discussing. is this scene as a good news story that the government is looking at detailed policies like this, that they are trying to close the loopholes that have been existing? but doesn't itjust feel like, we area bit but doesn't itjust feel like, we are a bit busy dealing with this other thing, but we will deal with that loophole in a moment. and then you do think, like the 100,000 tests, it has to be clearer. why not, instead of having them sailing to stay at an address, as you said earlier, why are they not coming in and then being put in a hotel and being told they have to stay for 14 days? surely that is the only solution. also, in the sunday telegraph, there is a little line further on that says that number ten
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is to ditch the stay at home slogan. ah, yes. two which i thought was fascinating, because that has been such a mantra. it has. i know you don't work for the government, but any thoughts about what a potential next slogan might be, rosamond?” wasn't sure. i noticed that as well andi wasn't sure. i noticed that as well and i thought it was interesting, because stay at home really does what it has on the tin. i don't know where they take that. mostly stay at home? so you could have the same podium, butjust home? so you could have the same podium, but just short home? so you could have the same podium, butjust short in the font. now the mail on sunday. scientists hail game changing immunity test. every evening when we cover these papers, there is always one of the eight or nine newspapers which has a positive story about a breakthrough
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in testing or tracing. this time it is about an immunity tests. we do have to bear in mind that the world health organization has questioned whether anyone is immune after getting the virus and £20 million worth of tests were ordered from china and their efficacy has not yet been proven, rosamund. absolutely, and on top of that, we know that the danger with these tests is that they create a weird society where some people have the antibody and what are they then allowed to do? there are they then allowed to do? there are all sorts of questions around this. this was a breakthrough by oxford scientists. they think that if the test works, it would cost about £10, so it would be very cheap. but as you say, we don't know that people can stay immune to it.
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there is some evidence that suggests that some people have been unlucky enough to have it more than once. there is a woman in china who they found early on who managed to get the virus twice. so there are lots of questions around whether you can get immunity and whether it lasts. penny, when you see a positive headline about a game changing test, do your eyes light up or are you a bit more sceptical given all that we have seen? i remain positive at all times. this is the one that could be byjune. and times. this is the one that could be by june. and it times. this is the one that could be byjune. and it has the government has ordered up to 15 million of these immunity tests which are £10 each. it is a blood test and it is a bit like a pregnancy test. two lines means you have antibodies, one line means you have antibodies, one line means you have antibodies, one line means you are vulnerable to coronavirus or perhaps the test has failed. our final paper, the sunday express back page. football is coming home, first rays of hope as
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the government backed plans to get clu bs the government backed plans to get clubs playing soon. rosamund, it's almost like a giant test. can the country live without football for a few weeks? the answer seems to be no, we can't. well, it's interesting because the cricketers have been told they will not be back until the 1st ofjuly. you would have thought it was more easy to socially distance playing cricket and football. just no tackles! exactly, how does that work? actually, we can see here that one of the things which is very hard for people is playing sport and enjoying their teams, and that is tough on people. soiam teams, and that is tough on people. so i am not downplaying that, it would be a positive thing if we could find some way of enabling people both to play and watch sport. but i don't think we are there. final were to penny smith. can you in the country live without football? i am perfectly happy
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without football. but i understand that there are many people who do not feel the same. and in this paper, it has arsenal have backed a training base next week. and i am thinking, how are you going to tackle? will they wear masks? a bit of rough—and—tumble goes on. tackle? will they wear masks? a bit of rough—and—tumble goes onm tackle? will they wear masks? a bit of rough-and-tumble goes on. it may have to be a noncontact sport. penny smith and rosamund urwin, it's been a pleasure. that is it for the papers this hour. rosamund and penny we re papers this hour. rosamund and penny were thrown back at 11.34 another look at the papers. goodbye for now —— they will be back at 11.30 four another look at the papers. let's take a look at all the sport with katharine downes. good evening. the government plans to set up the first of a series of regular meetings involving the senior medical directors of major sports this week to try and get back to action as soon as possible. that would include premier league matches being played
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behind closed doors, but there are lots of caveats to any possible return. firstly, it won't happen before the next review of the lockdown, due on may the 7th. the go—ahead would also depend on the government meeting key five tests for easing restrictions. those include seeing death and infection rates fall consistently. clubs would then have to meet additional criteria including the regular testing of players and ensuring the safety of staff. a government source said watching live sport on tv would give the country a huge lift. here are the thoughts of the shadow health secretary. well, i think if it can be done in a safe way, then of course, but we need to understand what the thinking is behind it, what the medical evidence is. but if the medical and scientific advice is that these games can go ahead behind closed doors, then of course we would support it. meanwhile, as the financial situation around football continues to cause concern, chelsea's men's first team won't be taking a pay cut to contribute to the club, but will focus further on supporting other charitable causes.
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it had been reported that the men's team would take a 10% pay cut this month, but a statement on the club's website earlier today said extensive talks had been held to discuss how the team could contribute, and the chelsea board had told players to continue to support charities and the nhs. meanwhile, aston villa's players, 13 coaches and senior management meanwhile, aston villa's players, first team coaches and senior management have agreed to defer 25% of their salaries for four months. the premier league strugglers have struck a deal with the squad and won't furlough any staff. so, while there is the potential of a return for football in england, in the netherlands they've decided to end the season with major events in the country banned until the start of september. the decision has been taken to declare the season null and void, so no champions, promotion or relegation. that means there will be no repeat of last season's victory for ajax. they were top on goal difference again this season, but if uefa ratify the decision,
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they would still qualify for next season's champions league. there is no suggestion that this could happen in england yet, but the head of the dutch fa thinks it would be difficult to conclude the premier league this season. to be honest, seeing what is happening and see things get postponed week by week, how realistic is it that within the next three or four weeks, we will come to a different conclusion? not so much, i believe. and also, the premier league will need a number of weeks to conclude its competition. is there going to be enough time for that? doubtful, very doubtful. we'll see what comes out of those government meetings. now, more than 40,000 runners should have been making their final preparations for the london marathon, which was due to take place tomorrow, with the race now postponed until october due to the coronavirus pandemic. organisers are encouraging people to take part in their own charity fundraising efforts at home, with the marathon raising over £66 million last year. one of those taking part
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in her own back garden is britain's european 1,500 metre champion laura muir. this weekend was meant to be the london marathon, which is such a shame for everybody involved, not just the athletes, but all the people going along to support and all the charities as well. so the 2.6 challenge is trying to do something, whether its 2.6, 26, 260 or something to help raise money for charities who would have been benefiting from this weekend and having fun with it as well. best wishes to everyone who was supposed to be taking part in the marathon in the morning. that is all the sport for now. hello. for the past three or four weeks, we have seen a lot of dry and settled weather indeed. april has been exceptionally dry and very warm for many of us. last week, we saw temperatures reach highs of 24 degrees. next week, things are looking very different, temperatures a good 10 degrees down on where they have been, which is closer in fact to the seasonal average.
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the reason for it is that low pressure will be dominating the scene. we see the first of these low pressure systems pushing into the north of the uk for part two of the weekend. that will bring cooler air to scotland and northern ireland and also a cluster of showers which could be heavy through the afternoon. we'll also see showers developing further south through wales and the midlands into the east of england. that will be in response to cooler air in the north mixing with warmer air across the south, where we could see 22 degrees, but cooler further north. next week, it will feel very different to what we've been used to, thanks to the low pressure. it'll be cooler and more unsettled and we'll see showers along with spells of rain. the reason is that the jet stream will be invigorated, something we haven't seen for a while, steering weather systems towards our shores, generally firing towards the south of the uk. from monday, it looks like low pressure will still be with us, a fairly weak affair, though, bringing further showers to the north of scotland. then we'll see another area of low pressure pushing
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into the south west later. variable cloud in much of the country and a few sunny spells. we could see a high of 20 degrees across the south—east, but it will generally feel cooler. for tuesday, the next area of low pressure pushes northwards into england and wales. this could bring significant rainfall, certainly the most significant rainfall of the month so far. that will move northwards through the day, some of it heavy at times. the skies could brighten up across the south through tuesday afternoon, but that will set off some heavy april showers. in the south, we could see temperatures reach the the mid—teens celsius but cooler across scotland and northern ireland, which will tend to stay dry. as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, the next area of low pressure moves in from the jet stream which i showed you, steering them in from the west. this one is going to bring the stronger winds and outbreaks of rain initially in wales and the south—west of england and will spread northwards and eastwards throughout wednesday. it could be that this rain becomes quite widespread across the uk through the day away from the north of scotland, which will stay
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dry, bright and cool. further south, we see the temperatures reach highs of the low to mid—teens celsius. it deepens further as we move into thursday. we could see a swathe of strong winds through the channel and across southern england for a while. heavy rain clears away to be followed by sunshine and heavy showers. we could even see an area of rain affecting the north and north—east of scotland. again, those temperatures are around orjust below the seasonal average. as we end the week for friday into the weekend, the low pressure is still with us, bringing further showers and longer spells of rain. and another system which will push in from the south—west will bring further rain, but we think it will bring warmer air back towards our shores from the south. you can see in the air mass charts, the yellows and oranges moving back in. and that goes far beyond the following weekend too. so for the week ahead, it's looking very different to what we've been used to, unsettled thanks to the low pressure systems and spells of heavy rain at times,
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showers and strong winds. then there are signs of it warming up later in the week.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. coronavirus has now taken the lives 200,000 people around the globe. the grim milestone was recorded as the number of deaths in uk hospitals today passed 20,000. for the nation in particular, this is a deeply tragic and moving moment. all our thoughts and sympathies are with those individuals that have lost family members through this horrendous and absolutely appalling virus. downing street has announced the uk prime minister will return to work on monday, two weeks after being discharged from hospital. the governor of new york — the us state worst hit by the coronovirus outbreak — authorises independent pharmacies to carry out tests for the disease. the world health organisation warns that people who have recovered

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