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good morning. welcome to bbc news, i'm victoria derbyshire. here are the headlines this tuesday morning. a minute's silence is to be held at 11 o'clock this morning to remember more than 100 key workers who've died after contracting coronavirus. nhs managers plan to restore some of the vital hospital services put on hold because of the pandemic. beaches in australia reopen after a month of closures, and thousands return to work in new zealand after one of the world's strictest lockdowns. president trump says he's no idea why us hotline calls about disinfectant have risen — after he suggested using it to treat coronavirus. i can't imagine why. i can't imagine why, yeah. reporter: do you take any responsibility? no, i don't. no, i can't imagine. i can't imagine that... yeah, go ahead, please.
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where # have all the flowers gone? and how will we remember life under lockdown in years to come? museums ask for suggestions about what we should preserve to capture this period of our lives. a minute's silence will be held across the uk at 11 o'clock this morning to remember the key workers that have lost their lives to coronavirus. the prime minister will be among those paying tribute. more than 100 nhs and care staff have died with the virus so far, as have transport and other key workers. it comes as hospitals in england start planning to restore some nhs services that had to be postponed because of the pandemic,
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with a priority for cancer and mental health. meanwhile new zealanders prepare to return to work today as the country eases its lockdown restrictions. and in the us, president donald trump has denied any responsibility for an increase in calls about injecting disinfectant, following his comments last week saying that it could be a possible solution to tackle the virus. the minute's silence to honour key workers comes after a campaign by the royal college of midwives, the royal college of nursing, and unison. keith doyle reports. this is eileen landers. a cleaner at queens hospital burton who's died with covid—19. the hospital said she was dedicated to her work and to protecting patients. her family said she had a heart of gold. eileen is one of more than 100 workers across health and social care who have died with covid—19 while working on front—line services.
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nurses and doctors, paramedics and cleaners, care staff and consultants. all will be remembered at 11:00 this morning in a minute's silence organised by health unions, led by the prime minister. the families of health care workers who have died with the coronavirus while working on front—line services will now be entitled to a £60,000 payment. families of staff who die from coronavirus in the course of their essential front—line work will receive a £60,000 payment. of course, nothing replaces the loss of a loved one but we want to do everything that we can to support families who are dealing with this grief. that payment has been welcomed but unions have called for it to be —— the health secretary also said from today some nhs services in england, including cancer care and mental health support, which had been paused to help the health service cope during the outbreak, would be resumed.
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the latest figures for the number of people who have died in the uk in hospital with covid—19 is 360, a fall, but there is usually a reduction in reported deaths after the weekend. the total number of deaths is over 21,000 but these do not include people who have died in care homes or in the community in england or northern ireland. a sustained reduction in the number of deaths is one of the criteria that will determine when the lockdown restrictions will be eased. wales is expected to announce that there will be a phased return for schools, but without saying when that will be. the prime minister has made it clear the lockdown restrictions won't be eased until the time is right. i know it is tough. and i want to get this economy moving as fast as i can, but i refuse to throw away all the effort and the sacrifice of the british people and to risk a second major outbreak and huge loss of life and the
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overwhelming of the nhs. while there's plenty of talk and speculation about lifting the restrictions, information might come out slowly about how they will be eased but not when they will start to be lifted. keith doyle, bbc news. let's talk to norman at westminster for us. are you getting any steer about what the next steps might be regarding modification of lockdown?” the next steps might be regarding modification of lockdown? i think we will get an outline but not until the end of the week. all the indications are the next he days will be a giant think in in downing street as hr to gather the data, medical advice and numbers to come up medical advice and numbers to come up with a set of policy options to put to the prime minister which i think he will set out probably on friday, i guess. what they are still waiting for is for sage, the
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scientists, to go to the different policy options they are looking at and provides analysis on how each of the different options, say, for example, providing so—called covid secure workplaces with adequate distancing, or shops that can reopen because they have enough space, to provide guidance and analysis. what sort of impact using those restrictions would have in what is known as the r factor, the reproductive factor, how much infection it would lead to. once they have that, mrjohnson will have to make some pretty tough decisions. 0ver to make some pretty tough decisions. over the next 2a, 48 hours, to make some pretty tough decisions. over the next 24, 48 hours, i think what we will get before that is trying to dampen down public expectations, because all the indications are that any easing in the lockdown will be pretty marginal, slow, gradual and the lockdown will be pretty marginal, slow, gradualand it the lockdown will be pretty marginal, slow, gradual and it will not be a moment where we will throw
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off the shackles, there will still be an awful lot of restrictions to ensure. thank you, norman. vital cancer care is among the nhs services being restored today, as the rate of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus continues to fall. the cancer specialist professor karol sikora has welcomed the move. it's fantastic. i couldn't believe it when matt hancock announced it last night. we've got to get going again. you know, in the month of april we'd normally expect 30,000 people to have a diagnosis of cancer. and talking to pathology lab, which is whether diagnosis made based on biopsies, samples from the body, the calculation is less than 5000 new cancers have come forward in april. so we've got to get moving again. these cancers exist. cancer doesn't take easter as a holiday, it carries on. so we've got to get back to business as usual, get the operating theatres going, get the surgeons out, and then downstream the chemotherapy and radiotherapy that's to come. in that way, we can keep the cure rate for cancer as high as possible.
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new zealand is starting to ease its lockdown restrictions, saying they have contained the community spread of covid—19. businesses and schools can reopen provided there is no physical interaction between people. public gatherings remain banned, but weddings and funerals of up to ten people can still go ahead. here's prime ministerjacinda ardern speaking earlier. i've never come down here, and have no intention of coming down here and dramatically lifting alert levels in one announcement, without there being a timeline for the way that they will be implemented. of course, you will have seen to date that often we've given a period of notice, whether it's been 48 hours or others. that's always been so people can plan and prepare and so that we can do it in a really confident and controlled manner. i think, by and large, that's been an accepted approach. meanwhile in australia, isolation rules are being relaxed and by the end of the week, households will be able to have two
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visitors at a time. bondi beach and two neighbouring sydney beaches were reopened today — after being closed for five weeks. more than 2.4 million people have downloaded a government tracking app, which monitors and traces cases of coronavirus. 0ur correspondent shaimaa khalil is in sydney. what kind of social distancing will happen on the beaches? that is really one of the big cautionary measures, a big sign of caution from the authorities as they delivered the authorities as they delivered the good news, much to the delight of syd ney the good news, much to the delight of sydney residents, that the finest bondi beach and another two neighbouring beaches have reopened. —— the famous bondi beach. we have seen —— the famous bondi beach. we have seen swimmers lining up from very early morning to take their first dip in bondi beach after a five—week ban. but a word of caution from
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officials about large gatherings. last week we saw two other beaches reopen and then close very quickly because of big gatherings. we are seeing a bit of easing of the strict social distancing measures, the premier of new south wales announced today that every household starting friday will be allowed two visitors, two adult visitors, with children also being allowed. new south wales has seen a significant decline in the number of cases, it is in single digits. 0fficials the number of cases, it is in single digits. officials had said this is for mental health and social reasons but a word of caution about people not using this easing to hold big parties or gatherings. it will make a big difference for people who can see their friends and relatives. we are waiting for it in our household, to have a couple of friends over. in
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neighbouring new zealand we have seen neighbouring new zealand we have seen traffic flow in the major highways for the first time as 400,000 people return to work in different parts of new zealand today. cafe is in restaurants have been allowed to open but without direct interaction between people —— michael kerr phase and restaurants. there has been a huge key with cars lining up outside a big fast—food chain in the drive through to get their burgers and fries after more than a month of lockdown, but jacinda ardern has been quite adamant that while this is a reopening of businesses in new zealand, it is not a reopening of socialise. by many measures, victoria, this is a success story, new zealand, in the way it has handled covid—19. these two weeks of the easing of restrictions will be crucial. the way people will behave like that mean that new zealand continues its success and eases more of the restrictions, get a search of
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cases and then back to lockdown, which is a scenario nobody wants to see, of course. thank you very much, shaimaa. in the united states, president trump hadn't addressed the media for three days, afterfacing ridicule for his suggestion that injecting disinfectant might be a way of treating the virus. at his first appearance since then — reporters asked him about those remarks. reporter: the governor specifically said they had seen a spike people using after your comments last week. i know you said they were sarcastic. i can't i know you said they were sarcastic. ican't imagine i know you said they were sarcastic. i can't imagine why. do you take any responsibility? i can't imagine that. president trump told reporters china could have stopped the coronavirus from spreading around the world, and that serious investigations are under way into beijing's actions. 0ur north america correspondent peter bowes reports.
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it was business as usual for president trump. today i'd like to provide you with an update in our war against the coronavirus. it was an upbeat assessment of a country that was in good shape and hungry to get back to work. mr trump said coronavirus testing was being ramped up. the united states has now conducted more than 5.4 million tests, nearly double the number tested in any other country, more than twice as much as any other country. the president also suggested that he may seek damages from china over the coronavirus outbreak which began in the city of wuhan and spread around the world. we're doing very serious investigations, as you probably know, and we are not happy with china, we are not happy with that whole situation because we believe it could have been stopped at the source, it could have been stopped quickly and it wouldn't have spread
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all over the world, we think that should have happened. in the meantime, america is slowly emerging from weeks of lockdown. restaurants are open again in georgia but business has been slow. in california, currently enjoying a heat wave, crowded beaches have angered local officials. the state's governor has warned that restrictions may be more rigorously enforced over the coming weeks and he urged people to be patient. the reality is, we are just a few weeks away, not months away, from making measurable and meaningful changes to our stay—at—home order. that is a very optimistic point to emphasise. however, that's driven by data, it's driven by behaviour and as we change our behaviour we can impact the science, the health and the data. this virus doesn't take the weekends off. go home because it's a beautiful sunny day around our coasts.
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he said the images of packed beaches were an example of what not to do, and such behaviour could delay reopening the state. peter bowes, bbc news, los angeles. the french prime minister will present a plan today on how to ease the country's lockdown restrictions. 23,000 people have died from the coronavirus there. 0ur paris correspondent is hugh schofield. what might this plan involve? we know the key thing about the plan, may 11 is the day when everything is supposed to change, two weeks from now. president macron announced that may the 11th would be those hinged eight at which the full lockdown would end, but what we don't know is the detail —— made the 11th would be that hinged data. some schools will reopen on that day, we don't have any, we don't know if it will be organised regionally depending on where the coronavirus has been strongest all done by classes, and
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if classes go by, will they be half classes with the desk separated? what will happen at mealtimes, at canteen, what about when children wa nt to canteen, what about when children want to go to the toilet? this detail has not been spelt out and needs to be spelt out. on issues like commerce and shops, what shops will open, if clothes shops reopened will open, if clothes shops reopened will be to try on clothes and dressing rooms? what about quantity of people per shop, per square metre of people per shop, per square metre of shop? 0n the transport system, what will happen? will masks be compulsory or not? there are certainly calls on the paris region for the metro to make masks compulsory because otherwise they will be operating at very low capacity. all this detail has yet to be spelt out and we expect some this afternoon, but the government has been working flat out on all these questions, i very much doubt we will have all the questions answered this
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afternoon. thank you very much, hugh schofield in paris. the headlines on bbc news: a minute's silence is being held at 11 o'clock this morning to remember more than 100 key workers who've died after contracting coronavirus. nhs managers are planning to restore some of the vital hospital services put on hold because of the pandemic. beaches in australia have reopened after a month of closures, and thousands have returned to work in new zealand, after one of the world's strictest lockdowns. thousands of people in the uk have now died with coronavirus, including those working on the front line — doctors, hospital porters, nurses, surgeons, and dozens more nhs and care workers. here are some of their stories. manjeet singh riyah was the uk's first sikh a&e consultant and was described as being "the father" of the emergency department at royal derby hospital.
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he was an incredibly charming person and well loved , " according to the trust's chief executive, gavin boyle. the 52—year old—died at the hospital where he worked on the 21st of april. geralt davies was a paramedic in swansea who joined the ambulance service in 1994. he was awarded an mbe in 2019 for his role as the national operations officer of stjohn cymru wales. he was the first member of the welsh ambulance service to die from covid—19. chrissie emerson was a "valued" health care assistant at the queen elizabeth hospital in kings lynn in norfolk. she was also a "much—loved" wife to michael and a "cherished" mother and grandmother.
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she was 84 years old. her grandson ben wood said she "had such a drive" and "gave her life and dedicated it to the nhs". the father—of—two worked on the woodland ward at east surrey hospital in redhill. according to the chief executive of the surrey and sussex nhs trust, ruben was a "highly respected and talented" nursing assistant and a "much—loved friend" to many at the hospital. dr peter tun also died from coronavirus.
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he was a doctor at the royal berkshire hospital in reading. he died on april 13th, three weeks after emailing his bosses asking for ppe. let's speak to his son michael tun. that morning, michael. do tell us about your dad? he was (inaudible) have you found that you have learned more about his work and the patients he treated since he died? have many people got in touch with you? absolutely, yeah. a lot of his patients, some from about 20 years ago, it turns out he is still in contact with them. that was a sight
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i never knew about him, it has been really touching. several weeks before he died, he did to e—mail his employers about personal protective equipment. you find those e—mails after his death, i understand. what did they say? he and his team did not have surgical masks. they were trying to make a case to get them back onto his ward. unfortunately from the e—mail trails, they were having to fight a strong case just to get basics. what was the hospital's response? that they would bring it back when the ward had suspected or confirmed cases, which my dad responded as it would be too late. because there were no suspected or confirmed cases on his
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ward, that was the reason they said he and his team could not have masks? yes. i spoke to my dad separately and his point was that everybody needed to be treated as suspected. yes. how do you rationalise the fact that your dad asked for face mask but did not receive them, either for himself or his team? it was quite a tough read, ifiam his team? it was quite a tough read, if i am honest. (inaudible) decision—making process. it is beyond individual accountability. decision—making process. it is beyond individual accountabilitym a statement to us, the royal berkshire nhs foundation trust said eve ryo ne berkshire nhs foundation trust said everyone in the trust is deeply saddened by the death of dr peter tun, there have been so many m essa 9 es tun, there have been so many m essa g es of tun, there have been so many messages of sympathy and condolence from a wide—ranging staff, showing
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how well liked and respected he was by those who knew and worked with him. our priority is to keep patients and staff protected and be following the national guidelines on the correct and appropriate use of ppe. i wonder how you would respond to that? my issue is the statement around strict guidelines were followed. the challenge with that in my opinion is that it lacks total accountability. i and my opinion is that it lacks total accountability. land not my opinion is that it lacks total accountability. i and not sure that anybody who has read those guidelines... i understand they have changed, i have looked at them myself, (inaudible) if they were strict, otherwise i am looking at the wrong guidelines, those guidelines were not strict. (inaudible) mismanagement of eight. how would you describe the last few weeks for
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yourfamily? you describe the last few weeks for your family? it has been quite a bit ofa your family? it has been quite a bit of a shock. i live with my wife in australia, i have left it there, i'm worried to get back. it is not the easiest but i understand it is not easy for lots of families, we are not alone in this. how do you regard the one—minute silence today to commemorate nhs and care workers and other key workers like your father? i think it is very nice, i think it isa i think it is very nice, i think it is a good way to remember it, but i also think we really want to remember them and do them justice, then some of the key issues should be challenged and resolved. like protective equipment, you mean? yes,
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absolutely. supply of age, distribution, making sure it is the right equipment, understanding how it should be used at ground level, absolutely. the health secretary announced yesterday that the families of nhs and care staff who died with coronavirus would receive £60,000, matt died with coronavirus would receive £60 , 000, matt hancock died with coronavirus would receive £60,000, matt hancock said of course nothing replaces the loss of a loved one but we want to do everything we can to support families dealing with this way. what would you say to the health secretary this morning? —— dealing with this grief. health secretary this morning? —— dealing with this grieflj health secretary this morning? —— dealing with this grief. i think it is done with good intention and it will hopefully help the families, but it should not also distract from the key issues that still remain, which is obviously to protect these people on the ground level. thank you very much for talking to us, peter, and for telling us about your
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dad. peter tun, the son of dr michael tun, who died. i'm joined by anne marie rafferty, professor of nursing policy at kings college london and president of the royal college of nursing. good morning. i know you were listening to peter, i wonder what you think about the fact that he does not want the minutes‘s silence today to detract from some really important issues around the safety of front line workers? absolutely, and that is what the minute's silences reminding us of. our couege silences reminding us of. our college has been relentless and keeping pressure on government to ensure that logistics and distribution and the supply of ppe in particular, as well as testing, is available to front line staff at their own hour of need. what is your assessment of where your members are
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currently regarding ppe and access to testing? we have been doing a survey and found that 50% have reported that they do not have full access to the case that they require, and indeed one in ten have reported they had been making their own, that is confirmed by another survey that myself and colleagues have been undertaking which has demonstrated that just 45% have been undertaking which has demonstrated thatjust 45% of our sample said they had adequate kit. it is causing a third of our responders to say they were experiencing severe mental health distress. when did you talk to your members? iam distress. when did you talk to your members? i am trying to work at the timescale of when they were reporting that back to you? two weeks ago, and our survey was before that, an online survey, four weeks ago. have things improved since
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then, as far as you are aware?|j think then, as far as you are aware?” think there are lots of calls coming into the college and the fact is that we are still receiving those alarm bells. ithink that we are still receiving those alarm bells. i think ppe accesses number one —— access is number one of the stream of concerns that members are raising, so we had to keep the pressure up, it is absolutely imperative.” keep the pressure up, it is absolutely imperative. i wonder how your members react to the announcement of £60,000 to go to families of nhs and care staff who have died with coronavirus in the course of giving theirjob?” have died with coronavirus in the course of giving theirjob? i am not aware of the reaction per se at the moment, that certainly i think it is a strong acknowledgement by the government that these groups need to be recognised for the contribution they have made, health care, nhs and
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social care staff in particular. but we need to look at the detail, the word eligible is in the text, and drill into that in more detail and find out exactly what it means. let me put this to you, what the dna site on the record about this payment, it does not go far enough. —— what the dna said. it is a sizeable sum that comes nowhere near compensating families for the lifetime income that loved one might have earned if they had not died prematurely fighting this crisis on the front line. it is certainly a gesture, and a welcome one, but of course no sun can compensate for the loss of a life but it is certainly a step in the right direction and we should look at it like that and look forward to what else might have to be done. thank you very much for talking to us, and marie rafferty from the royal of nursing. now it's time for a look
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at the weather with matt taylor hello. the sun may be out in scotla nd hello. the sun may be out in scotland and northern ireland, but elsewhere, the return of heavy and persistent rain. wells, central and southern england, perhaps as far as the m 62 is where we see the rain. easing this afternoon, and in cornwall, north of that, sunshine, across scotland and northern ireland, the fat north of england there could be one or two slow moving and sharp showers. temperatures around where they should be for the time of year, eight or 9 degrees in areas of mid wales, big drop on what we have seen recently. this evening and overnight most of the rain turning lighter and patchy. still some cloud and drizzle into the morning, some pushing into the east of northern ireland in south—west scotland, clear skies to the north and east, we see the greatest chance of rusty to take us into wednesday. 0ne weather system gets out of the way on wednesday, many area starting dry but another speu many area starting dry but another spell of wet weather sweeping across england, wales and northern ireland.
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hello, this is bbc news with victoria derbyshire. the headlines... a minute's silence is being held at 11 o'clock this morning — to remember more than 100 key workers who've died after contracting coronavirus. nhs managers are planning to restore some of the vital hospital services put on hold because of the pandemic. beaches in australia have reopened — after a month of closures — and thousands have returned to work in new zealand, after one of the world's strictest lockdowns. president trump says he's no idea why us hotline calls about disinfectant have risen — after he suggested using it to treat coronavirus. i can't imagine why. i can't imagine why, yeah. reporter: do you take any responsibility? no, i don't. no, i can't imagine. i can't imagine that... yeah, go ahead, please.
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let's hear from the office for national statistics, the latest figures, deaths in england and wales, just a reminder, these are different from the daily figures we hear from the government, confirming covid 19 deaths in hospital. these give more of a sense of how many people are losing their lives in the community, care homes for example, and at home. nick stripe is head of analysis for the 0ns, good morning, and tell us about the latest weekly figures, the numbers of deaths registered in the week ending april the 17th. correct, just before i do, i'm about to run through some large numbers. and just remember behind each one of these numbers is a person who has lost their life, grieving families and friends and very difficult circumstances.
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bearing that in mind, for that week, the week ending the 17th of april, 22,351 deaths in total. just under 4000 higher than we talked about last week. 12,000 above the average for what we would expect to see at this time of year. over the last four weeks now, there's about 27,000 deaths above average in the four week period. we've got the statistics based on death registrations by week going back readily to 1993. this is the highest number of deaths registered in a week since 93. nearly 2000 higher than the previous highest which was injanuary than the previous highest which was in january 2000. 0k. as you say, some really high numbers, very distressing numbers. what is the number of excess deaths, is that the
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figure of 12,000? 12,000 above the five year average for this week in the year, you can call that excess, above what we would expect and that's where we've seen 27,000 above that's where we've seen 27,000 above that average in the last four weeks. but if we think about what proportion of those deaths involve covid 19 as written on the death certificate, it's about 40% of that excess, 40% of all deaths, sorry, have covid 19, excess, 40% of all deaths, sorry, have covid19, 8758 deaths have covid 19 mentioned on the death certificate, up from about a third last week. of that excess, that's about three quarters of the 12,000 excess deaths figure, mentioned covid 19 on the death certificate which is similar to the week before. looking geographically, it's about 40% in england, 35% wells, london again, 55% of all deaths mentioned
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covid19, 40 2% in the north—west, 4196 covid19, 40 2% in the north—west, 41% in the north—east, 39% the west midlands. what about the non-covid 19 related deaths? yes, 2596 of that excess is, according to death certificates, not involved covid19, key area of research for us is to understand what is going on with those deaths so to help us to do that we can look at deaths in different types of settings and see how are those proportions faring in different settings? in hospitals for example, we are now seeing double the amount of deaths in hospitals in that last week than we saw four weeks previously. nearly 70% of those involved covid19, in care homes we are now seeing over three times more deaths in total in care homes in that last week than we saw four weeks previously. 28% of those
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deaths involve covid 19. four weeks previously. 28% of those deaths involve covid19. now we've also taken data from the care quality commission over the last few days. the care quality commission collects death notifications of all deaths of care home residents and we've been able to compare that data against our death registrations data and there is a good match. so from the 10th-17th of and there is a good match. so from the 10th—17th of april for example, we see a very close match, understanding the different data lags. if we take that data that we can see the care quality commission has figures for england 4343 deaths from care homes between the tenth and 24th of april, much more current, that is last friday, we know that we had a thousand deaths registered in care homes prior to the 10th of april, so in total we are looking at around five and a half thousand deaths in care homes in england related to covid 19 by the 24th of april. if we look into
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those figures, the difference between those deaths in the total number of deaths in care homes we can perhaps start to try and unpick what might be going on. there could bea what might be going on. there could be a couple of things going on, there could be deaths that are happening in care homes that would ordinarily have been transferred to hospital. so those care pathways might be being disrupted to some degree with residents remaining in ca re degree with residents remaining in care homes and dying. and it could also be that perhaps care home residents are getting what ostensibly appears to be milder symptoms of covid 19 in terms of a cough or temperature, perhaps covid 19 which is acting in strange ways in some cases, could be affecting their underlying health conditions, could be exacerbating underlying health conditions and so the evidence of covid 19 is less obvious but it might be affecting those underlying conditions and they might be dying of those. understood. just
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so be dying of those. understood. just so unclear, we've been talking each week at this time. but in particular, about covid 19 related deaths in care homes, the first weekly reported there were under 20 deaths registered, that it was 217, thenit deaths registered, that it was 217, then it went to over 1000, where are we up to now? that number which was 1000 this time last week is nowjust over 3000 from death registrations, deaths registered up to the 17th of april involving covid 19 in a care home setting, just over 3000 in england and wales. then we can take the care quality commission data seeing as we are quite happy with how it's matching to death registrations, there isn't a big difference, you can take that extra data from the extra week formed the ca re data from the extra week formed the care quality commission and probably conclude that there have been at least five and a half thousand deaths, care home residents, due to covid 19 or related to covid 19 by last friday, the 24th. goodness me. thank you again.
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we are alsojoined by sam monaghan, who is the ceo of mha, the uks largest charitable care provider and kathryn smith, the chief operating officer at the alzheimer's society — who lost her great aunt in a care home over the weekend. good morning both of you. first of all, i wonder how you react to these figures. they are shocking but not surprising. it's been quite obvious to most of us that there have been far more people dying within care homes than are being reported because obviously, the deaths in ca re because obviously, the deaths in care homes are not being measured and counted in the same way. it's really important that they do find a way to measure these debts and count them more quickly because we cannot ta ke them more quickly because we cannot take appropriate action if we don't know what we are dealing with and i also feel personally, bearing in mind my own experience that there will be more deaths than that that are not being recorded as covid 19 because people are not being tested.
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is there a way that you can see of getting more accurate figures much more quickly? well, i think one of the things is to increase testing in ca re the things is to increase testing in care homes and that's something the alzheimer society has been calling forfor alzheimer society has been calling for for quite alzheimer society has been calling forfor quite some time. alzheimer society has been calling for for quite some time. care homes need really rapid access to testing for residents and staff members and we have heard stories were just one or two people have been tested and found negative so the rest of the home hasn't been tested and that's clearly not good enough, hunt needs to be tested regularly so we can keep on top of data and feed that in and then when somebody dies in a ca re and then when somebody dies in a care home, we can report that more quickly to the care quality commission or within the 0ns figures so commission or within the 0ns figures so they can be counted and know for sure whether or not that person died ofa sure whether or not that person died of a covid 19 related illness. the health secretary said last week all key workers, nhs and care staff and residents in care homes, would now get a ccess
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residents in care homes, would now get access to testing but it hasn't happened yet, are you saying? we are still really struggling. some care homes are getting some testing but we are not getting it in the volumes that's required, still struggling and although they have set up mobile testing units which is of course good news we are hearing stories on average people are having to travel 60 miles to get one of those in some insta nces. 60 miles to get one of those in some instances. it's just not out there in the volume it's needed, care homes are not able to get testing in the way they need to. sam, how do you read these latest figures of those who have died in care homes in the week up to the 17th of april, just over 3000 covid 19 related deaths in care homes, add that to the care quality commission figures, that would give you five and a half thousand deaths of elderly people in ca re thousand deaths of elderly people in care homes, covid 19 related? good morning, victoria. yes, ithink the figures are starting to better represent what the experience is that we have been having over the weeks since the pandemic broke. we
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are really concerned obviously, that there is as accurate a picture as there is as accurate a picture as there can be and i echo the comments made, the testing that we need has onlyjust started to arrive in terms of the frequency that we need. and it's still somewhat patchy and it still patchy in terms of our staff. i think the other factor that needs to be borne in mind, as the testing are starting to happen, we are starting to see quite a number of people actually testing positive when they've not been showing any symptoms. and so, it really emphasises the point made, we need to testing and we need it routinely. because if we have it routinely then we can isolate residents who are have symptoms, who are either symptomatic or have got covid19, we can't therefore better manage their ca re can't therefore better manage their care and we have the testing for staff, we can make sure that we haven't got staff in our homes who actually want symptomatic but have the virus. —— who actually are not
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symptomatic. boris johnson said yesterday the virus has been wrestled to the floor but what does it feel like from your experience in the care sector? that doesn't relate to my experience. it's still very alive, we have no sense yet that we have crossed over the curve or the ark of the pandemic. we are still searing the debt is rising as the figures from the 0ns and the care quality commission show. it's a very different position potentially in hospitals and the way that is being met but the care home sector is clearly now the most hit area of society. because these are small communities of the most vulnerable people and that is a situation we have not got to the bottom of yet in terms of adequate testing or the consistency of the ppe that we need to make sure we are providing the right levels of care and isolation that we need to. have your staff
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still not got the right levels of ppe? we have got sufficient ppe and mha but we're still having to reallocate it on a day—to—day basis because when you get an outbreak you clearly need more and there isn't sufficient the system, in terms of the adequacy of the supply from government. so we are still having to go to market to purchase to make sure we've got enough because we cannot leave our residents and staff without the adequate levels of ppe. so because you cannot get it via the government procurement system you are dry to source it and buy it yourself, are you? we can get some from government but we cannot get sufficient so we have to go to market in order to procure sufficient to be able to make sure we've got the right duty of care that we can provide for our residents and staff. is the cost quite a lot because demand is outstripping supply, isn't it? yes, it is, we paid up to five times the amount that we should for some facemasks because we needed to make sure we've got sufficient for our
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staff and residents. sorry, what should they have cost in normal times and what are you paying now for one facemask? they should cost 20p, they were costing £1 so we were able to buy 200,000 masks when actually we could have had a million if we'd been able to buy them at the cost that we should have been getting them from government. what do you think about that? it's clearly hugely frustrating because that's our charitable resource, mha isa that's our charitable resource, mha is a charitable organisation and we are having to use charitable funds in orderto are having to use charitable funds in order to meet the excess costs of ppe that we are having to do. in order to meet the excess costs of ppe that we are having to dom sounds like sam is saying the front line of this virus is now absolutely in the care sector, it's perhaps moved from hospitals to the care sector? would you agree. absolutely i would agree on the front line has been within social care for some time, it'sjust been within social care for some time, it's just taking some time to recognise that, it's always been the front line. social care staff are working in the community and care
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homes some of the people that be most vulnerable to catching this disease or not coping well with this disease or not coping well with this disease if they do catch it and they haven't been provided with the right equipment. they haven't been provided with the right testing. they've had significant issues with people being able to access the care that they need both in care homes and communities because of staff and their worries and unfortunately, social care has been the poor relation for some time and it's really showing right now. when it's on the front line. i want to ask you, i don't think you know if your great aunt actually died with coronavirus. is it important for you to know why she died? in a way it is because we suspect it was coronavirus because we know there had been deaths in the care home already and we know that two people had been sent to hospital, confirmed positive with coronavirus and sent back to the care home and almost
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certainly that is then spreading around the care home and we are very strongly suspecting that my aunt died by coronavirus but of course, they weren't tested and the issue for me is if the adequate testing and protection is available in the ca re and protection is available in the care homes, and if those people that had been tested positive had been isolated away from the care homes to be treated, might it be that my aunt would still be alive because she wouldn't have been exposed to that greater risk and so, we cannot do anything for my great aunt now but there are still plenty, thousands and thousands of people in care homes that are still being put out with this risk, we really need to ta ke with this risk, we really need to take action to prevent this continuing to happen and those numbers escalating. thank you both very much. your own experience is welcome, particularly if you work in a care
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home or you have a relative in a ca re home or you have a relative in a care home or you work as a care in the community. let me know what's happening on the front line as far as you are concerned. you happening on the front line as far as you are concerned. you can happening on the front line as far as you are concerned. you can e—mail me. or you as you are concerned. you can e—mail me. 0ryou can as you are concerned. you can e—mail me. or you can message me on twitter. it's just gone quarter to ten. the headlines on bbc news... new figures reveal covid—19 related deaths in care homes in england and wales have tripled in the space of three weeks. a minute's silence is being held at 11 o'clock this morning — to remember more than 100 key workers who've died after contracting coronavirus. nhs managers are planning to restore some of the vital hospital services put on hold because of the pandemic. a quarter of businesses in the uk have stopped trading due to coronavirus. yesterday chancellor rishi sunak announced a further new scheme aimed at helping smaller businesses. from monday, they will be able to apply for a "bounce back loan" of up to £50,000, with the government paying the interest for the first 12 months.
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let's speak to entrepreneur and star of dragons' den, deborah meaden. good morning to you. how are you? i'm good, thank you. do you welcome this new loan scheme aimed at small businesses? i think the government has been very good working their way through the problems but there was definitely a gap there and i welcome the scheme but i also welcome the intended speed of it because you know, there's a lot of very worried businesses out there at the moment. what do you think the impact is going to be small and medium—sized businesses in the long term of this whole crisis? well, i have invested ina lot whole crisis? well, i have invested in a lot of businesses, i talked to a lot of businesses and what i say is can you see yourself beyond this? because, you know, it's very easy to get swamped in the problems of today, obviously. but actually, if you can look forward and imagine what your business is going to look like the other side, that's what you need to focus on. because actually,
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we've got to consider that there will be a new normal and a new way to work. so i suspect that those that are able to adapt, those that are already thinking about the future, they actually might be able to see opportunity coming out the other side but i think it's also fairto other side but i think it's also fair to say that those who are kind of looking backwards, thinking they arejust going to of looking backwards, thinking they are just going to step out and do the same old, same old, they might struggle. you are talking about people thinking now about potential brand—new business models once we are through this? possibly not brand—new, but we are all discovering different ways of working and i think we've got to imagine that actually, some of those are going to linger so some of the old stuff, the old ways are no longer going to be quite so valid and we do need to think about our businesses in those new terms. but we also need to be really flexible because we don't really know which ones will linger, we don't really know what those new terms are going
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to look like so i think it's going to look like so i think it's going to be the most flexible, the most forward thinking, the most fleet of foot that are going to be able to ta ke foot that are going to be able to take opportunity when we step out the other side. understood. i'd like to ask you about richard ranson ‘s appealfor a to ask you about richard ranson ‘s appeal for a commercial loan from the british government, yourfellow dragon duncan balla ntyne the british government, yourfellow dragon duncan ballantyne and simon cowell have criticised richard branson for asking the bank for a long, rather than the british taxpayer. i think there's a lot of jobs sitting at virgin and having experienced some of the bank loan applications that are taking some time, ithink applications that are taking some time, i think there may well be a role for government to say, hold on, we don't need virgin to go so there's an interim peace until you can get your act together. there's a lot of criticism about very, very wealthy people asking the government to support but people do need to differentiate between people's businesses in their own personal wealth and they also need to remember that when you see these
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headlines about people's wealth, that doesn't mean they have all this money sitting in the bank often that value is tied up in the very businesses we are talking about. actually, the most important thing we do right now is save jobs, save businesses so that we can bounce back, that is what this bounce back scheme is all about, so we can come out the other side. we got to focus on how we get through this, then we can on how we get through this, then we ca n start on how we get through this, then we can start looking at actually, you know, probably there are different ways to do that. all right. on that point of the main thing is to save jobs, victoria beckham is also using government furlough scheme, as reported, taxpayer money to help repay some of her staff. when of course, you know, the beckham is our multi—, multi—, multimillionaires, many times over, what do you think of that? again, i don't know the structure of her business, how much of her business she owns and i think, i don't know what their liquidity is, i have no idea so it's very, very hard, it's very easy to
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ta ke very, very hard, it's very easy to take a very, very hard, it's very easy to takea snap very, very hard, it's very easy to take a snap headline judgement that you know, i've seen the lists that talk about people's wealth and to be honest, i pay very little attention to them because it very, very rarely means they have got all of that money sitting in the bank, ready to just put into a business to support it. so, we need to be careful about demonising entrepreneurial people who have a nominal wealth tied up in their businesses and thinking, why don't they just put the money their businesses and thinking, why don't theyjust put the money in? well, most entrepreneurs add their money already working. your initial success came from running a holiday park business which you sold, eventually. i wonder what you think about the tourism sector now which is of course been really badly hit. and might be more difficult to bounce back? well, i worry for it andi bounce back? well, i worry for it and i particularly worry for the type of business that i was in, seasonal style businesses. has something just come up in the
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spring? no, no, we haven't got any private numbers or details coming up, do not worry! good! i do worry for them because actually, think about the seasonality, they spent all of their money in the winter getting ready for the summer and they really rely on a big pump of activity in the summer and then they shut down for the winter and they are shut down for the winter and they a re often shut down for the winter and they are often in deprived areas, cornwall, devon, a lot of thejobs are attached to those seasonal businesses. and they are going to struggle because at the very time, peak overdraft, the biggest money spending time hasjust peak overdraft, the biggest money spending time has just finished, about to go into the summer season and it's been switched off so i think that their recovery cycle could be 12 months— 18 months. in a time when actually, a lot of businesses are going to be able to come out the other side and hit the ground running. deborah, thank you very much, good to speak to you and stay well. deborah eden. how will we remember life under lockdown in years to come?
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will there be a particular image or item that best sums up this strange and uncertain time for you? it of course depends on our own personal experiences. museums are asking for suggestions about what we should preserve to capture this moment, as our arts correspondent, david sillito has been finding out. # where have all the flowers gone? # long time passing...# so, this is a song that we did right at the beginning of the lockdown. we have singers from the royal opera house, we have singers from italy, from america, but we also have neighbours, friends, kids, all mixed together. # when will they ever learn?# where have all the flowers gone? a video made to raise money for unemployed musicians is being preserved for the nation. this is a moment in history that's unique because of just how much of it has been filmed. this incredible insight into the state of mind of the nation, often within their own homes — the boredom, the frustration, the difficulty, the highs and the lows — they're
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all being captured on video. and the bfi wants to find more like this. henry iddon's film of a blackpool bank holiday under lockdown. it's one of the things that has struck me is the sound and how quiet it is. you can hear your feet as you walk along the pavement. everything looks different, everything sounds different. you know, the whole sensory experience is totally unique. and all the bedrooms are empty so the lights are off in the bedrooms. so, once the sun sets, it's dark. everywhere is in darkness. the fact that i can hear birdsong this loud in what is the middle of the city, the quietness, the new daily habits, there's so much to remember. and the issue for museums is — how do you capture what it feels like? how do you capture emotions? i've gotten really good at call of duty. the museum of the home,
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for instance, wants to hear home life has been changed... i really miss my football. ..by quarantine. we are at the beach! yeah, the beach! and they want photos. we'd like to see photographs of people's homes and, crucially, we're asking people not to tidy up. this isn't an instagram version of how people are living, we want the real deal, we're delving deep. i mean, we want people to really dig in and tell us what they're feeling. this is our family lockdownjigsaw — 1,000 pieces looking at the world of william shakespeare — fiendishly difficult, but surprisingly addictive. maybe it's the things that have kept you going. too much memorable things have happened in the lockdown. 0ne, my mohawk — i'd never be able to have that at school. and, two, this chicken. one thing that is really important to me and means a lot to me is my wool and my yarn. 0r sights like the amazing night skies. but now is the time to think about just how we'll remember this moment. i've been playing bug bingo a lot.
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david sillito, bbc news. now it's time for a look at the weather with matt taylor hello. the sun may be out in parts of scotla nd hello. the sun may be out in parts of scotland and northern ireland but for parts of england and wales, replaced that with grey skies and the return of heavy and persistent rain. wells, the midlands, perhaps as far as the m 62, we see that rain, especially towards cornwall. north of that, some sunshine but across scotland and northern ireland, there could be one or two slow—moving sharp showers, many staying dry. image is around where they should be for the time of year, eight or 9 degrees through the midlands and east wales, big drop from what we've seen recently. this evening and overnight most of the rain will turn light and patchy, still some cloud and drizzle around into the morning, some of that pushing to the east of northern ireland and south—west scotland but with clearer skies to the north and
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east we see the greatest chance of frost to take us into wednesday. as for wednesday one weather system gets out of the way, many starting dry but another spell of wet weather sweeping dry but another spell of wet weather sweeping across dry but another spell of wet weather sweeping across england, wales and northern ireland. talking to us, and marie rafferty from the royal of nursing.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. new figures show more than a total of 21,000 people who were not in hospital died in the uk up until 17 april — and that covid—19 related deaths in care homes in england and wales tripled in the space of three weeks. a minute's silence is to be held across the uk in an hour's time to remember all those key workers who've died after contracting coronavirus. beaches in australia reopen after a month of closures and thousands return to work in new zealand after one of the world's strictest lockdowns. president trump says he's no idea why us hotline calls about disinfectant have risen — after he suggested using it

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