i agree with for any of us. i agree with everything that claire said. i also feel of course, that we have a much larger population than italy. 0f course, london is one of the most dense, biggest cities in the world. so it's very hard to compare london to rome or milan. but that doesn't ta ke to rome or milan. but that doesn't take away from the fact that they did say they were hoping the 20,000, weren't they? and we've got well, figuresjust weren't they? and we've got well, figures just astronomically higher than that. the other thing is i think, the care home situation is so tragic. we have to remember care homes are not run by the national health service. they are run privately, they run to make a profit. they run all sorts of ways and there are brilliant ones and less brilliant ones. but the tragedy of having a parent died in one of those homes, who died on their own, i think rather like the people in

hospital, that's the most overwhelmingly horrifying figure you can imagine. i sawa overwhelmingly horrifying figure you can imagine. i saw a lovely man they interviewed today on the news he said he always felt he was a strong man. and he saw his mother three days before he died and he said i felt so weak, i felt useless, helpless. and i think that's, those are the feelings apart from just losing loved ones that will follow people to the end of their days. another point i want to make to you claire, we saw sir patrick vallance the chief adviser talking today about the fact that admitting to countries failure to ramp up testing may have cost her dearly. and the whole issue of testing and its relationship to how bad the virus is spread in the uk, it's going to come up spread in the uk, it's going to come up again and again, is in a? 0h, we are going to be dissecting this issue for months and years to come. and the numbers as well. eve light mentioned the care homes there, we probably won't know for a long time the extent to which they been

affected. of course they are what we call indirect s as well. from people who have had surgeries cancelled, from people who have been so frightened to stay home during lockdown that they haven't gone to seek help. things like heart attacks oi’ seek help. things like heart attacks or strokes. the testing issue and the numbers and the death toll we are going to be dissecting for a very long time. obviously, the human tragedy that this virus has brought about is hugely important. we also have to look at the economic issues as well. the front page of the ft is talking about virgin atlantic. eve i wa nt to talking about virgin atlantic. eve i want to talk to you first off, virgin atlantic to cut off a third of thejobs of virgin atlantic to cut off a third of the jobs of its workforce. that's about 3150 staff. and it's going to leave gatwick altogether. this is a fight for survivalfor leave gatwick altogether. this is a fight for survival for many of these big companies, is in a? this is a fight for survival. it puts such a stark really, how will travel companies carry on and make their

money? because it's all very well andi money? because it's all very well and i understand totally about social distancing on planes. but i wonder if any airline company can make a profit if you leave the ce ntre make a profit if you leave the centre unfilled. if you have people oi'i centre unfilled. if you have people on each side of the plane, you have nobody close together and i wonder if that's behind a lot of these airlines being faced with possible extinction. also of course, it also puts into a third runway at heathrow? i'm not sure it going to need it quite as soon as we thought we would. but it's a bit like theatres, theatres are very worried because you can't actually make money out of the other if you have half the seats empty and that theater. and i wonder if it's true for travel. for those of us who are lucky enough to have lived three times where you've got some pretty good prices for holidays leaving at a gatwick, it's the end of an era.

at claire, the airline virgin warning that it would take up to three years to return to 20 82019 traffic levels. i think that's the point to be made here. that even if lockdown was lifted tomorrow the aviation industry is not going to bounce back. they are going to be a huge noble of hurdles but in peoples way even if they wanted to travel. we had the heathrow boss right that social distancing wise the queue and security just to social distancing wise the queue and securityjust to board onejumbojet would be a kilometre long. which is extraordinary. there's already been ta co extraordinary. there's already been taco for waiting times. people are just not going to want to mount those hurdles. it will take a long time if the industry doesn't go into com plete time if the industry doesn't go into complete freefall. excuse a terrible pun. for it to bounce back at all. it's hard when you read a story like this and of course we've already had bea this and of course we've already had be a cutting 20,000 jobs in ryan air 3000. possibly be a certainly leaving gatwick as well. this is not

in industry that looks like it's going to be any fit state to operate as normal in the future. eve, even if things go back to normal what do you think it's gonna happen in terms of business travel? a lot of these airlines make a lot of money from business passengers. we all now discovered all of us, haven't we? we could do this remotely. a lot of people are doing stuff remotely is that going to change the face of business travel? i think it will. 0nce extranet or areas that over the la st 0nce extranet or areas that over the last ten years or so there have been more and more abilities to have audio conferences, to not actually have to get on the plane. and of course, everybody liked getting on a plane. everybody liked going to stay and another hotel. everybody liked the professional sort of, i suppose, is rather nice to say thank you giving you a trip as well as doing some work. we all know we don't have to do that now. and the company is i'io. to do that now. and the company is no. the bosses know. it's the same for office space, you're not going to need that spare office boardroom

that you use perhaps for times a year. you not even going to have to say to your staff, you've got to come in every day. it's going to change the way we live. completely. in the new normal as can be very different from the old man. let's move on to the times front page. the state aid for workers to be cut by chancellor. that is the headline. this is basically talking about the chancellor preparing to wean businesses and workers off the governments of furloughing scheme by cutting those wage subsidies. the problem here of course, being there isa problem here of course, being there is a fear that after a few months companies who are having their workers pay covered for them i can become addicted to it and are going to be relying on it. yes. this follows the story that we had on the telegraph yesterday that half of adults in britain are now being funded by the state. i mean he has promised that there won't be a cliff edge but i think a lot of people

will be very worried about theirs. there is little doubt that the tragedy doing a treasury problem didn't expect such enthusiasm to enact enthusiastic ta ke—up didn't expect such enthusiasm to enact enthusiastic take—up of its scheme. i mean ten to 15% and it's around 70%. it's costing them, he's compared it to keep propping up the nhs. the furlough scheme because 8 billion in the first month. and the nhs because 11 billion a month. so clearly, the scheme is going to reach a breaking point. we do need to get britain back to work but it's going to be too simplistic to talk about the furlough scheme i think on the same level for everyone as lockdown the same level for everyone as lockd own starts the same level for everyone as lockdown starts to be lifted. because it is going to help some people start to go back to work, work part—time and then make up their salaries. but there can be other sectors such as pubs and restau ra nts other sectors such as pubs and restaurants which are sorely been hinted in the third phase of that lip would not like alan. which boris johnson is good talked about on sunday for that which just won't be

able to function at all. and it will really struggle with social distancing measures. for them you can't talk about them in the same breath as industries who can start to go back to work. they are going to go back to work. they are going to be that furlough scheme for much longer. it's going to be tough is in it, eve? i think it longer. it's going to be tough is in it, eve? ithink it will probably longer. it's going to be tough is in it, eve? i think it will probably go on, due to go on untiljune. i don't think you can pull back from that. i think you can pull back from that. i think from july you are going to see very different idea. of course there is this feeling that somehow we have to go back to work. and we have to help people and the government and organisations helping the government need to put up suggestions, ideas, ways that companies can get back to doing some business. and i think without any doubt it will be easier to do this possibly in the summer where we do feel that if we can go to pop gardens, for example. and socially distance that's better than going into a hot and warm and humid pub. yes, we are going to have to

look at every industry and see who can be extrapolated from the furlough scheme and who can't pay. and people are going to have to be very realistic. because without any doubt the national health service is going to need a lot more money for a lot longer. eve, i guess a lot of people can go back to work or can start life again, if you've not been doing it for a while there is that they are of getting back to normal, of getting back to the life you knew. because things have changed so much. well, things have changed so much. well, things have changed so much. certainly for many working women i mean, it's been a slight nightmare because their little darlings are home from school. but you can deal with children as we all know what you say look, i need an hour to do this, to do that here is a film, or here's some school work i'll give you a film, or here's some school work i'llgive you an a film, or here's some school work i'll give you an ice cream if you do well. eve, have you been spying on my house? ijust know about these things. women particularly have love the idea. particular commuters it's a lovely idea that you don't use

perhaps two hours of your day travelling to work. and that you can actually more hands—on with their children while working at the same time. ithink children while working at the same time. i think also there are lots of things that we don't love about offices. the water cooler conversations, the jokes, the camaraderie and we can't lose those entirely because they often help make a business go around. certainly out make a business go around. certainly our newspapers, they are part of that life. i think that we will have to do that in a different way. friends and told me that they all gather together and they do a co nfe re nce gather together and they do a conference on a friday afternoon and catch up and laugh about... i'm i'm not sure about the resume meeting. very quickly are you a resume meeting person on a friday afternoon? not if i can meeting person on a friday afternoon? not ifi can have a, no. social life may be a little. it's the zoom quizzes that too much for me. clear and eve it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the program. we willjoin you again in an hour's time from the uk to do

some more papers. thank you so much for your company. that is it for the papers. but by buy me. hello, we will be taking a bit of a roller coaster ride as far as temperatures are concerned. over the next few days with up initially they will be heading upwards because of this weather pattern. low pressure to the west, high pressure to the east, a gentle southerly flow tapping into some warmth that's been affecting parts of spain and france. some of these areas actually broke temperature records for this time of year earlier on this week. but from that warmth we head into the weekend and a different weather pattern with building down to the west and low pressure to the east this time. that will be feeding a northerly wind in oui’ will be feeding a northerly wind in our direction. we say farewell to that warm something much, much colder are usually colder is on the way. more on that in a moment. let's start with the here and now through tonight. rain today continuing to

fizzle across the southwest and southern wales. low cloud just lapping onto the coast of york shire and lincoln share. temperatures through the night clear skies will dip down to freezing or attached below in some spots. particular in scotla nd below in some spots. particular in scotland for top as we go on into tomorrow expect a lot of fine weather spells of sunshine again early low cloud across the east coast should tend to burn back out to sea. it will state quite play but not great we could see the arch our dipping in and maybe pembrokeshire later in the day. temperatures just a little bit higher than they have been today. generally between 15 and 18 degrees. one or two spots likely to get to 19 or 20. similar story on thursday, turns or marked for many of us. good smells of sunshine bit of us. good smells of sunshine bit of misting us with some western coast. the odd shower in the west. certainly showers for northern ireland and scotland which could be heavy and foundry. again those temperatures climbing 18 degrees in glasgow, 22 in london and a friday likely to be warmer still was up down towards her southeast a high of

25 expected. more cloud for northern ireland and scotland with some outbreaks of shower reit rain across northern scotland and here a much cooler field to the weather is these northerly winds start to set in. as we move northerly winds start to set in. as we move out of friday into the weekend, we push this frontal south it'll bring some shower drain with it. not an awful lot but it will introduce this much, much colder air and the speckles of white indicating just a suggestion of one or two wintry showers. fair amount of dry weather around but it's chilly in the north on saturday. much colder for all of us. wendy too for the second half of the weekend.

this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. the uk records the highest number of deaths — linked to coronavirus — of any european country. but ministers say — it's too early to compare. one of the british government's top scientific advisers stands down, after breaking the social distancing rules he helped establish. president trump confirms the white house is planning to wind down its coronavirus task force, despite the high number of cases in the us. and more bleak news from the aviation industry — as virgin atlantic announces plans to cut three thousand jobs.