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this is bbc world news, the headlines: borisjohnson is to announce a shift in message on coronavirus later — with a a road map for easing the lockdown in england. the government is also set to unveil a new slogan — telling the public to "stay alert". it comes as parts of germany get back to business — some bars and restaurants opened this weekend, more will do so on monday. in spain, the authorities are also preparing to relax restrictions from tomorrow. in the united states, the former president barack obama has heavily criticised the trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic. mr obama called the management of the crisis "an absolute chaotic disaster". the fiancee of the murdered saudi journalist, jamal khashoggi, has urged the english premier league club, newcastle united, to consider ethical values before accepting a bid
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from a saudi—backed consortium. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers are brining us today. with me are james rampton, features writer at the independent, and katherine forster, journalist at the sunday times. let's take a look at today's front pages. thank today's front pages. you for being with us. let's just thank you for being with us. let's just show our viewers the front pages. the leaders of the four largest trade unions in the uk have written a letter published in tomorrow's observer — warning the prime minister that they won't recommend their members return to work until there has been a radical overhaul of
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workplace health and safety. in the sunday mirror, medical professionals warn that that there could be fatal flaws in the uk's track and trace app because there's too much emphasis on a cough and fever — missing other symptoms. the daily mail reports on what they call a ‘furious‘ row between the prime minister and health secretary, matt hancock, over the handling of the coronavirus crisis. while the sunday telegraph leads on the government's new stay alert slogan — with a five—tier warning system used to indicate the virus threat — to be unveiled tomorrow. and a warning against easing lockdown restrictions too soon in the sunday times — with a government adviser warning an early lifting could lead to 100,000 deaths in the uk. so let's start, james we have got to stay alert message we are expecting to hear from the stay alert message we are expecting to hearfrom the prime minister. he is talking at seven o'clock this evening. stay alert, that is the headline in the sun on sunday. it is
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a shift in message from stay at home to stay alert. critics are saying, it is confusing, it muddies the waters a bit for people?” it is confusing, it muddies the waters a bit for people? i agree with those critics. what does it actually mean? what are we alert for, it is an invisible enemy, it is not like somebody walking down the street who has a broken arm or measles. you cannot often tell if someone measles. you cannot often tell if someone is carrying the disease, they may be asymptomatic. i heard a behavioural scientists this morning, u nless we behavioural scientists this morning, unless we are asleep or in a coma, we are always alert. it is not specific enough and it is another example of the government making a mess of the messaging, if you like. 0n mess of the messaging, if you like. on thursday, some of the tabloids we re on thursday, some of the tabloids were leading with jubilant headlines, happy monday, they had been briefed by number ten that the lockdown would be significantly eased. in the briefing that evening
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the government had to row back from that. it does seem there is confusion in the message, when the poll say that 90% of people still wa nt to poll say that 90% of people still want to stay at home and they don't think it should be relaxed. catherine, do you think the government should maintain the stay at home message rather than this new one off stay alert? they have to, at some point start to show the way out of this. obviously, protecting lives has got to be the most important aspect, but the economy is also important. also it is having a terrible effect in other ways because domestic violence, people that are not going to the nhs with various other conditions and are not being treated. it is a very difficult balancing act the government are trying to strike. let's be kind and call it a nuanced message, but i suppose what they are trying to do, the stay at home
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message was so trying to do, the stay at home message was so successful, more successful than they expected it to be and in some ways, they didn't expect the numbers of people to stay at home that actually have and they do desperately want to start to get us do desperately want to start to get us back, not to any sense of normal, because i think that is a very long way off, but are beginning to move forward. the sunday telegraph, they go on the same story, stay alert. but they also talk about the new five tier system of warnings, which is rather like the terror threat level from one up to five. does that make sense, do you think, a slightly more nuanced approach again? yes, thatis more nuanced approach again? yes, that is comprehensible and mr johnson is supposed to say we are between three and four at the moment, five being the worst and one being the best. like the terror threat levels, it is comprehensible to people. i agree with catherine,
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but in some senses the government's messaging has been too effective. they thought, apparently in number ten that only 50% of people would obey the command to stay at home. it is more than 90%, only young blokes a p pa re ntly is more than 90%, only young blokes apparently are consistently flouting that. no surprises there. but i do believe the colour coding system is a more effective way of alerting people, sorry to use that word again, to where we are. and as we try to ease our way out, we are looking at the worst economy for 300 yea rs, looking at the worst economy for 300 years, then that will help people to understand where we are. what else do you expect to hear from understand where we are. what else do you expect to hearfrom boris johnson? this is such a widely trailed message to the nation tonight but we have already heard from scotland and wales? yes, it has been widely reported that as of
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tomorrow, you will be allowed to go out for exercise as much as you like, so if you want to go for a run in the morning, cycle ride later, it is fine as long as he maintained the two metre distance at all times. that will be from tomorrow and then on wednesday, garden centres will be opening. obviously social distancing will have to be in place but it is a critical time of year for garden centres. if people don't get the plants now, it is not like cans of beans you can just leave on the shelf. also the government are going to becoming stricter in some ways and it is expected they are going to announce four people, on public transport and in shops to wear face coverings. they are not going to stipulate that you have to, but they are going to advise that we do and also there is the quarantine of people flying into the uk, and i am
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astonished it has taken until now. people have been flying in from all over the world for weeks and months while we have all been at home. it isa while we have all been at home. it is a welcome move, of course the airlines are up in arms, and they have many major problems, along with other industries right now. the times, frontpage says 100,000 dead if the uk eases too fast. it is a warning from scientists. itjust shows how difficult and dangerous this moment is for the government and how difficult it is to get the balance right between continuing restrictions and trying to help the economy get back on its feet? absolutely. i do agree, they have been woefully slow, the government, in imposing this quarantine on people arriving in this country by air. the us and the uk have the most air. the us and the uk have the most air travellers in the world and sadly we are both leading the world in fatalities from this terrible
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virus. it really has been lagging behind in imposing this. they are rowing back from some of the things they perhaps optimistically planted last week, this idea of a bubble where you can have ten people you can see. they are not going to suggest that. and the suggestion that schools might reopen, that has been firmly stamped on as well, because particularly parents are worried about it. they do not think the time is right to send their children into an environment which may well not be safe. that warning about 100,000 dead, we have had different warnings along the way haven't we, bits of modelling from different scientists. the government keeps saying they are following the signs, but sometimes the science varies, different scientific advisors and different experts have different warnings, different forecasts and different predictions? absolutely, they keep saying we are following the science, but there is
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no such thing as the science in absolute terms. there are lots of very bright people coming to slightly different conclusions. the truth is, we still don't know that much about this virus and because we we nt much about this virus and because we went into lockdown eventually, although we took our time about it, fairly quickly, it is difficult to know what effect lifting particular aspects of it will have. there are some reports that closing the schools would have minimal effect and there is another report out last week saying, actually that is one of the most important ways to keep the infection low. it is an incredibly difficult time. the government told there are 18,000 new coronavirus infections every day and they need to get that down to about 4000 or less. but we don't know. many people are getting the virus or may have the virus and staying at home. it is
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not being reported, it is not being factored into the figures. so there are just so many unknowns in this. it is incredibly difficult for the government and it is easy for us to shout from the sidelines, but we have to ask questions. it is important andl have to ask questions. it is important and i think the stakes have been made and now the government have got to make every effort to get us out of this lockdown in the best way. james, the observer is talking about how the unions feel about a return to work and no return to work until we feel safe is the headline. the big four unions, unison, unite, the gmb, usdaw with the tuc are saying many of their members have lost their lives, we have seen bus drivers in london and they are saying they want health and safety revolution as a result this pandemic. yes, they make the point in this letter that health and safety is something that has been derided by right—wingers over the years, but we are all realising
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it is vitally important and it is literally a life and death matter. there was an interesting report in the guardian yesterday, saying some authorities may be liable for criminal proceedings for putting their workers on the front line with insufficient protection. that is a scandal. scandal is an overused word by journalist, but that scandal. scandal is an overused word byjournalist, but that is a scandal. when the inevitable public enquiry comes, that will be high on the agenda. why haven't we given these people, who are doing everything on our behalf, adequate protection. it is a disgrace and i have the people who have been in charge of that are made to be called to account for that. whenever this full return to work does come it is going to revolutionise the way we work, whether it is what the unions wa nt work, whether it is what the unions want in this in terms of a revolution in health and safety, but just in general practice, they will be so much more working from home,
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for example? exactly, we have no idea this could potentially go on for. because if we have to be socially distanced until we have a vaccine, who knows how long that might take. if going into london for instance on the tube or the train as grant shapps was saying yesterday, to be able to operate social distancing on public transport, it would only run at 10% of normal capacity. so clearly the days of getting on the 8.05 into waterloo will be gone and we will have to work from home if we can, stagger going in. if you are reliant on public transport and you have a long commute, cycling, great and i would be very happy if there is a huge splurge to make it safer and easier to cycle. but that takes time. all
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the people, you know, it is all very well health and safety is critically important, but i think the reality of getting people back to work is going to be much harder than the theory. james, matt hancock, i suspect won't enjoy reading the mail on sunday, because they have a story about a bust up with the prime minister and when you get inside what they are saying is, boris johnson, a source said borisjohnson raised questions about mr hancock about his department's grip on the crisis. matt hancock reply, that is not fair, give me a break. iam not sure that amounts to a full—scale bust up, but that is what the mail on sundays. journalist will never undersell a story knowingly. i do agree he is going through a bad patch and unnamed senior sources are saying that matt hancock is on
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borrowed time. i would use a rugby analogy here, there is a thing in by analogy here, there is a thing in rugby that if you receive a pass as a tackle comes to hit you, it is called a hospital pass. i think matt hancock has received a hospital pass, inheriting an nhs that has been woefully underfunded by ten yea rs of been woefully underfunded by ten years of austerity and let's be honest, by years of underinvestment by different stripes of government. so he has had a massively difficult task trying to get the nhs up to scratch to deal with the most difficult crisis that the service has ever faced. so difficult crisis that the service has everfaced. so i do sympathise on that level. however, some of the things we are hearing, these goggles, the tiger eye goggles, a p pa re ntly goggles, the tiger eye goggles, apparently at least 15 million of them are useless and they are now saying they are gordon's goggles because they were ordered under gordon brown, but it is another example of an impression of shambles thatis example of an impression of shambles that is going on, certainly in the provision of equipment within the
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nhs. there is another story along those lines in the sunday telegraph which is, britain has been secretly flying tens of thousands of coronavirus flying tens of thousands of coro navi rus tests flying tens of thousands of coronavirus tests to the united states as it struggles to lift the daily testing rate, over 100,000 a day, which is the target matt hancock set. he did meet it, but that has fallen off a bit? the sunday telegraph have the story of 50,000 tests had to be sent last week to the united states instead, because of a problem with a lab. this is hugely embarrassing because it adds to the narrative of constant failures and mess ups with protective equipment, the lack of testing. matt hancock was ecstatic to get to the 100,000 a day, which was to get to the 100,000 a day, which was above and beyond everybody's expectations, probably even his. but
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what actually happened was 100 tests "100,000 what actually happened was 100 tests -- 100,000 tests what actually happened was 100 tests —— 100,000 tests had not been carried out. this is obviously unprecedented, it is incredibly difficult for the people in charge at the moment. but the first duty of government is to keep its citizens safe and it seems ironic now to think that in levels of preparedness for a pandemic, supposedly the united kingdom was right up near the top before this happened. yet, here we are with the highest death rate in europe. so a certain number of mistakes have been made and we really do need to get a grip of ppe and of testing. because there are people dying needlessly. obviously, there was always going to be a cost, it is an horrific virus, but mistakes have been made and they will be very worried about the
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enquiry which no doubt will follow. james, the sunday mirror highlighting one of the things matt hancock has been putting in the last few days, trace and track, the app that was very successfully used in south korea amongst other places. it is being trialled in the isle of wight, but the sunday mirror are saying scientists fear the coronavirus tracking app could fail to identify half of the people who are infected by the virus? yes, it is hard to avoid the impression that sometimes we are being run by a confederacy of dunces. apparently there are ten other symptoms of this virus which are not being factored into this. as many as half of the results may be invalid and may not be registering the fact that people have coronavirus, which seems bizarre and ridiculous that they have trumpeted this with such fa nfa re have trumpeted this with such fanfare and they are going to revolutionise the situation with
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this testing system but apparently it is not even fit for purpose. it does make you want to shake your head and say, come on, guys, get a grip. they are saying that they are trying to learn lessons from countries that have been successful like countries like south korea. they are trialling it on the isle of wight, and it is a good place to do the trial? certainly, it is. yes, obviously it is a learning process and it is obvious you can learn from countries that have been in comparable situations so for instance, china, south korea. 0k, we don't live in that sort of society, but for instance, masks, up until re ce ntly but for instance, masks, up until recently the consensus was they did nothing, there was no point in wearing them at all. but nevertheless, in these countries people have been routinely wearing
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them and that we are told, well 0k, it won't stop you getting it but it may offer protection and stop you making it less likely to be passing it on. we should be looking more clearly what is being done in other countries a bit sooner. but, the government really cannot afford to get their way out of this lockdown wrong. potentially, we have the highest death rate in europe and now because we are going to have to come out of lockdown very, very gradually we are going to have to take a massive, massive economic hit and we don't know what the consequences are going to be of that. the government has the furlough scheme but that will have to be wound down eventually and there will be potentially many, many redundancies coming down the line. one of the headline to talk about coronavirus, the other story, the parallel story
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to the whole coronavirus crisis, other people with other conditions, cancer, heart problems who haven't been going to hospital, the nhs, according to the sunday times, facing a waiting list of 7 million people. it is extraordinary? yes, the sunday times as saying that by the sunday times as saying that by the autumn the waiting list was 4 million people in february, by the autumn it will be 7 million or over, because so many treatments, appointments have been put on hold because all attention has been focused on the virus. and in some cases, this will have already cost lives because cancer treatments, very important treatments have been delayed. as the lockdown is lifted, and hopefully the pressure on the nhs begins to ease, there will be this new pressure of all these people who have not had the treatments that they now require.
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also, are we going to get a second wave because that is more and more possible because some studies have suggested we will have more than 50,000 deaths every year for the next few years. let's hope it doesn't come to that. the problem is this difficult balancing act because they are no good options, it'sjust which is the least bad option. james, there are some other stories in the sunday papers. one of them is little richard, i gather you are a bit of a fan, a lovely picture of him in the sunday times?” bit of a fan, a lovely picture of him in the sunday times? i love little richard, his flamboyance and exuberance, but also his influence. if you look at the people who have treated their sorrow at his passing this morning, bob dylan, who rarely gives public announcements said he would not have existed without little richards. they would not have been elvis without little richard. paul mccartney worshipped little richard and sort him out in hamburg in the early days of the beatles.
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and he got him to teach him how to do the famous woo! it was so integral to the beetle's sound, from good golly, miss molly what an incredibly influential man. good golly, miss molly what an incredibly influential manm good golly, miss molly what an incredibly influential man. it is extraordinary that there are probably some young people who haven't even heard of him but don't understand and appreciate the massive influence that he brought to bear on rock music around the world? yes, absolutely. when people like elvis presley described him as the greatest and john lennon, apparently had said he was better than elvis presley, you know, he was something very, very special. and he sounded incredibly modern, absolutely,
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incredibly modern, absolutely, incredibly modern, absolutely, incredibly modern and this huge energy and just a really, really different type. he was the third of 12 children and he wanted to stand out. he certainly did that because he will be remembered by many as one of the giants of pop music, that is for sure. james, what was your favourite of his huge hits?” for sure. james, what was your favourite of his huge hits? i love tutti—frutti i must admit. you are right, he will make up, if you look at the pictures, he has eyeliner, lots going on with his lips and his rouge. there will be no lady gaga, david barry. he was gay at a time when it was difficult to be gay and black but he was proud of being different and he made a stand on that. it is an incredible example
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and it defines rock'n'roll‘s spirit of independence and rebellion and thatis of independence and rebellion and that is why he is so important. very good tribute. thank you both very much this morning, james rampton, and catherine forster, thank you for taking us through today's newspapers. that is it for the paper for today and goodbye from all of us. hello there, expect a marked difference to the feel of the weather as we go through the week ahead. for some, it weather as we go through the week ahead. forsome, it has weather as we go through the week ahead. for some, it has already arrived. these are the temperatures first thing the sunday morning. across scotland, temperatures were low single figures but ahead of the weather from bringing the colder air is still relatively mild. the cold airwill is still relatively mild. the cold air will push its way steadily south as we go through the day. the wind is strengthening as the cold front moves through. the gusts of wind could be 30 to 40 mph and that will make it feel quite cold out there on
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exposed coasts. the rain is not particularly significant, it means early morning sunshine will quickly cloud over for the rest of the day and behind it, across much of scotla nd and behind it, across much of scotland and northern england, sunny spells and scattered showers. some of those to higher ground could still have a wintry flavour mixed in there. wind direction from the north and a north—easterly costing in excess of 30 to 40 mph will make it feel chilly on exposed coasts so temperatures will struggle, for some just at the very best four to 8 degrees. we might see mid to high teens ahead of the weather front, but the colder air is going to effect all through the night to night and into tomorrow. the weak weather front eases away overnight and with clearer skies the temperatures will fall quite rapidly. still breezy towards the south—east so not quite as cold. the further north and west, expect a frost of gardeners and growers, we could see low single figures quite widely just below in could see low single figures quite widelyjust below in some places. so
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we start off tomorrow morning on a chilly note. there will be lots of sunshine around however. still quite windy and i suspect that monday will probably feel quite miserable for many of us. a few scattered showers along north sea coast, more sharper showers running in from the far north of scotland later on in the day. and temperatures down on where they should be for the time of year with highest values of eight to 13 celsius. as we move out of monday and infact celsius. as we move out of monday and in fact for the remainder of the week, high pressure building into the north—west. we keep the blue tone which means we are in the colder air mass but the winds will start to ease just a touch and so that means as we go through the week it will feel a little less cold and temperatures will climb degree also, with plenty of dry weather around as well. take care.
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. borisjohnson is to announce a shift in message on coronavirus later — with a new warning system and a roadmap for easing the lockdown in england. he is also set to unveil a new slogan for england — telling the public to "stay alert". it comes as parts of germany get back to business — some bars and restaurants opened this weekend, more will do so on monday. president trump's handling of the pandemic is called a chaotic disaster by his predecessor ba rack obama. and, the photographs that show facemasks can never take away your smile.

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