good morning. welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. our headlines today: borisjohnson outlines a gradual easing of the lockdown in england — but there's a warning things could change if the infection rate goes up. if there are problems, we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. we've been through the initial peak, but it's coming down the mountain that is often more dangerous. we'll be allowed to spend more time outdoors and some workplaces and schools could reopen although most of the measures won't apply to scotland, wales and northern ireland. more people who can't work from home

are being encouraged to return to work today but can businesses ensure their safety? i'll talk to the boss of halfords. more exercise, and more sport. golf, tennis, and fishing will all be allowed in england from wednesday, as long as social distancing rules are followed, but you only play with someone from your household. indian weather, largely dry weekend for many. but we start on a cold note, with frost in many places. coming up. it's monday 11 may. our top story. the prime minister has outlined measures to start a very gradual easing of the lockdown in england. in a televised address he said the government's message will change from "stay at home" to "stay alert." but the message won't change in scotland, wales and northern ireland. borisjohnson also said anyone who can't work from home should return to work from today, but to avoid public

transport if possible. from june 1, primary schools in england could see a partial reopening starting in reception, and years i and 6. there are no plans for a full return of secondary schools before september, but pupils facing exams next year may get some time with their teachers before the summer. people will also be allowed unlimited outdoor exercise from wednesday, and the bbc has been told that you will also be able to meet one person from outside your own household in a park as long as you stay two metres apart. from july at the earliest, some cafes and other public places might be reopened. the government will issue 50 pages of guidance on the new measures later today, as iain watson reports. it is now almost two months... after seven weeks of lockdown around the uk, people watched the prime ministerfrom their homes where they've been told to stay.

for viewers in england, he changed his message from "stay at home" to "stay alert." but most of lockdown will remain in place. thanks to you, we've protected our nhs and saved many thousands of lives. and so i know, you know that it would be madness now to throw away that achievement by allowing a second spike. we must stay alert, we must continue to control the virus and save lives. the lockdown has saved lives but hurt the economy. so, the prime minister sketched out a plan for how restrictions could be lifted in future. we can see it all around us in the shuttered shops and abandoned businesses and darkened pubs and restaurants, and there are millions of people who are both fearful of this terrible disease and, at the same time, also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods

and their mental and physical well—being, to their futures and the futures of their children. his plan will come in three phases. from wednesday this week in england, you will be able to spend more time out of doors and not just for exercise. for example, you'll be permitted to meet a friend or a family memberfrom outside your household in a park or open space, so long as you stay two metres apart. from june i, the prime minister would like to be able to begin the phased return of prime school pupils to full—time education. but that will depend on whether the virus has remained under control. the next step could see some hospitality businesses and other public places reopen, but no earlier than july i. and borisjohnson made it clear that any easing of restrictions could be reversed. if there are outbreaks, if there are problems, we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. we've been through the initial peak, but it's coming down the mountain that is

often more dangerous. and the opposition are raising questions over boris johnson's call for people who can't do theirjob from home in england to go back to work. safety guidance hadn't yet been issued and workers are still being told to avoid public transport. this statement raises as many questions as it answers, and we see the prospect of england, scotland and wales pulling in different directions. the devolved administrations in scotland, wales and northern ireland aren't changing the message to "stay at home" and any tweaks to their lockdown will be strictly limited. the message in scotland at this stage is not stay at home if you can. the message is except for the essential reasons you know about, stay at home full stop. our advice has not changed in wales. wherever you can, you should stay at home. the message on the lockdown may sound different depending on where you live, but the prime minister insists there's a shared determination across the uk to defeat the virus. iain watson, bbc news.

our political correspondent jessica parkerjoins from westminster. jessica, there's been criticism about the lack of clarity in borisjohnson‘s speech but we're expecting more detail today, aren't we? when will they get details? over the next 24—48 hours, a quest for detail because some might be waking up this morning listening to what the prime minister said about for example going to work you can't work from home, should i going to work now from this morning, how do i get there, if i'm supposed to avoid public transport, and as we just heard, the labor party saying there does need to be more detail, but the prime minister appears to be effectively telling millions of people to go back to work without a clear plan for safety or guidance as to how to get there. you ask when might we get the detail? a 50 page

document is said to be published later today, putting flesh on the bones in the prime minister, boris johnson will make a statement to the house of commons, taking questions from mps and as i understand it, we should start to see this published official guidance from business emerging around tomorrow so that should be more detail over the next couple of days but some will say, look, in a tv address on a sunday night, the prime minister was never going to be able to address every single question. but adding to complications as this diversions, complexity. many of you have been in touch already about the prime minister ‘s speech. doing our absolute best to get as many answers as we can. people will go through it line by line but we will get as much

clarity as we can this morning. and we will be speaking to the teaching unions about their concerns. we will speak to the foreign secretary dominic raab and also later, nicola sturgeon. the prime minister also said those who couldn't work —— the prime minister also said those who couldn't work from home from home should be "actively encouraged to go to work." but he told people to avoid using public transport where possible. keith doyle is at king's cross station in london this morning. keith, there are worries that lots of people won't have any choice but to use public transport if they have to go back to work? lots of questions this morning from people. how do i get there? do they use public transport? lots of people asking that question this morning. the question still remains to be answered. people who can't work from home should go to work from today, from this morning but avoid using public transport, they should use cars, walk or use bicycles. clearly

for many people, that is not going to be an option. capacity on public transport has been reduced but that is likely to change as demand increases but people will be asking the question, how are they going to use public transport and keep social distancing up. we saw the start of the lockdown, those crammed tube trains. unions fear that is likely to happen again if people get back to happen again if people get back to work without any clear plan. frances o'grady called for guidance on how people will be kept safe, saying the statement will cause workers confusion and anxiety. the union general secretary united len mccluskey said people can't get to work safely if there is no safe public transport and there are concerns workers will be cramming onto public transport putting lives at risk and people want to know if they use it, how will they do it

safely? and that is a concern for people in england this morning because things are different in scotla nd because things are different in scotland and northern ireland and wales, another issue we will get into with various guests this morning. one country that had been praised for its handling of the coronavirus pandemic was south korea. but the government there has now re—shut all bars after a number of new infections were linked to a recently reopened nightclub in the capital, seoul. let's get more on this now from our correspondent laura bicker. when it came to nightclubbing, they've been opal since about april 1970 last few weeks. you could go clubbing if you wore a mask, lift your name and contact number at the door and used hand sanitiser but it does seem that 129—year—old man on may the second went nightclubbing in seoul's party district and it seems to have affected others. 85 new cases have been announced in

relation to this nightclub cluster but there is another issue at hand. this will be an ultimate test of this country's track, trace and test approach because a number of people who frequent this establishment are members of the lgbt q who frequent this establishment are members of the lgbt 0 community. coming out as gay and south of —— south korea is incredibly difficult, it means you can lose your family and job. there are a number of people who are terrified of coming forward. there are believed to be about 5000 people at risk. that's where 85 have tested positive but there are now 2000 people that help officials are racing to track. they are going to use the telecommunications towers to find out all the mobile phones in the area at the time, used police to help them but they are hoping people will come forward and say if you don't, you will be fined, up to

$2000. interesting to hear that. more now on our main story, and borisjohnson has laid out the "first careful steps" of easing the lockdown in england, as part of a three—phase plan to get back to normal life. so, how did the proposed changes go down with the public? breakfast‘s graham satchell has been getting some reaction. it is now almost two months since the people of this country began to put up with restrictions on their freedom. and sitting rooms across the united kingdom, people gathered last night in their millions to watch the prime minister. and you have so shown the good sense to support those rules overwhelmingly. 0k, support those rules overwhelmingly. ok, right. but charlotte has been locked down with her three children and her parents, both in their 70s. i thought boris's speech was a little vague. for me, as a mum, and the owner of a nursery, it sort of lacked quite a lot of clarity forced

i suppose it was a little disappointed because i wanted a few more clear guidelines to work through. charlotte has been homeschooling her three children. she wants things to get back to normal but worries of her children do go back to school, they may spread the virus and she is confused by the new message in england. not stay at home but stay alert. even my 11—year—old said, what does that mean? it was all clear. we just stayed home, that's a very clear message and now he is saying, so we canjust go message and now he is saying, so we can just go out? and message and now he is saying, so we canjust go out? and i said no, you canjust go out? and i said no, you can only go out if you have to work and even then if it's safe. and they have a side brow, and i think we are the same. james was watching the speech in liverpool. he runs three restau ra nts, em ploys 50 speech in liverpool. he runs three restaurants, employs 50 people. we will hope to reopen at least some of the hospitality industry and other public places provided they are safe

and enforce social distancing. this isa and enforce social distancing. this is a promotional video ofjames's restau ra nts is a promotional video ofjames's restaurants called albert dock in liverpool. reopening safely will be a huge challenge. and stations in kitchens, pot wash bathrooms, washrooms, it's minimal so if the safe working conditions problem is not going to go away, many, many sites are just not suitable to open with social distancing in place. so work from home if you can but you should go to work if you can't work from home. this part of last night's speech urging people back to work alarmed priti, who works in a large office in canary wharf and usually gets the tube. will you be going to work this morning? no, i won't be going to work this morning. it's very ha rd going to work this morning. it's very hard at rush hour to keep your

distance. people are normally nose to nose on the tube, people are normally newspaper to newspaper on the tube. there is no vaccine, this virus is still out there. we will be driven not by mere hope. preity is worried about studies showing a higher death rate for people from a minority ethnic background. higher death rate for people from a minority ethnic backgroundlj higher death rate for people from a minority ethnic background. i must stress again... there is no vaccine. asa stress again... there is no vaccine. as a british asian, i know people who have passed and unfortunately due to covid—19 and they are from an asian background like myself. there needs to be a high level of protection for people who are more high risk. by this experience, i believe we can be stronger and better. the prime minister was very careful last night to say that could only be serious changes in england if the infection rate comes down and stays down but his speech seems to have left many confused, with more questions than answers. also this morning we have had so

many questions as well about the various politicians we have got in. sendin various politicians we have got in. send in your questions, we will a nswer send in your questions, we will answer as many as we can. we have the mayor of london with us at about 8:40am or so. nicola sturgeon, dominic raab, lots of politicians to talk to. i know some people say common sense still applies and we will be fine with what the prime minister said last night, but there are minister said last night, but there a re lots minister said last night, but there are lots and lots of questions about people who are trying to get back to work. people are thinking about what to do with their children regarding going back to school. so all of that is great to hear about this morning. let's take a look at today's papers. "ready, steady, slow" is the sun's take on borisjohnson televised address, with the paper reporting the prime minister's warning that it would be "madness" to lift restrictions too quickly and risk a second spike of coronavirus infections.

"boris keeps handbrake on" is the daily mail's headline and the paper says a full lockdown will return if there is a surge in the number of cases in england. the telegraph describes the government's plan to come out of lockdown as "the long road to freedom" but says the statement left more questions than it answered. the scotsman reports on a message from first minister nicola sturgeon, who stressed that scots must stay at home, despite conflicting advice for england. and she will be here at 8:30am on the programme. i know a lot of people are listening to music at the moment. there is something going on here. two organisations which represent thousands of british musicians and songwriters are lodging a key music alive campaign today. so many artists are losing huge amounts of money because they are not able to do gigs anymore.

suspension of live music has cut off most artists from income. streaming services' income is almost negligible. so there is a campaign to get more money to musicians. and katie getting cross, people say why don't you do a concert online, she says normally i would be paid to do that. and at the back page, this is an issue sally will go there as well, the premier league's plans to resume, thumbs was returning this wednesday but only with people in your household does make some sports returning this wednesday. opposition to the premier league's plans to resume because let's say, for example, brighton, they confirmed a third player in their squad has tested positive for covid—19. their chief executive was asking for clarity if a player attested

positive once competitive matches get under way. do you have another? i have lost my one. i have two, actually. you've been baking, have you? i'm not the baker, i am beset in the house. well, baking and gardening have combined in this little craze. this is for karcher art. this is in the daily mail —— foccacia art. of course, before ue it you posted online. everybody says what a lovely bit of bakery,/ gardening you combined there. so, thatis gardening you combined there. so, that is how you keep yourself entertained. and this one, shocking, bullet with and it leaves 800 homes in the dark. —— bull with an itch,

ron weighs more than a time, he hit a transformer box in south manager and it left homes without power. the power was not restored until six hours later. for the box to come off is completely new and shows the power of ron's backside, says the paper. there you go, and it she bull —— an itchy bull. more than 55,000 people have downloaded the nhs contact tracing app this week, which is being trialled on the isle of wight. the app is part of a track and trace strategy, designed to identify and alert users who come into contact with anyone who tests positive for covid—19. 60% of the population in england

would need to use the technology for it to be successful, and there are concerns around privacy. duncan kennedy reports. there an app for everything. not many can claim to save lives. this one is designed to dojust many can claim to save lives. this one is designed to do just that by helping tractors people with coronavirus and is it out of our society. the man leading the team of six is doctor garin lewis. in his first network interview, he told me the response from people on the isle of wight has been overwhelming and that its role as the rest of england is now imminent. in three, six, nine, 12 months from now, do you see the vast majority of people, tens of millions in britain, using this app? if we look at the rate of uptake on the isle of wight, we would hope it would be much sooner than that. we aim to have this app for the duration of the pandemic and then from then it would probably be mothballed so it is available for a seven per bed, if another pandemic we re seven per bed, if another pandemic were to come in the future. ——

heaven forbid. the app creates electronic handshakes between smartphones. if one person is infected with covid—19 and tells the nhs, the other users who came close to him or her are alerted. but doctor lewis says this new app what yet work on all phones. it cannot be used, for example, with huawei phones, or older android and iphones. so he is encouraging people to update their operating systems and make sure they have bluetooth technology. last week, mps said the app raised concerns over data privacy. doctor lewis that it complies with all data protection laws. in the isle of wight, over 50,000 people have downloaded it. laws. in the isle of wight, over 50,000 people have downloaded itm doesn't give out any of my information, personal information, asi information, personal information, as i feel quite safe about it. is that important to you? yeah yeah it is down oh important. we downloaded

it on the first day. any concerns? not for our phones, they have worked 0k. yeah. the app will be continually updated, so the current version will change. your team, your app, could save many, many lives. indeed. it's a huge weight on my shoulders. i haven't had much sleep for the last few weeks, thinking about all the things that might go wrong. but, yes, it's part of a combination of different things which together will help us overcome this virus and hopefully return life to normal as soon as we can. the app is one of several tools aimed at covid—19. this is science, people and technology, converging to overwhelm the disease of our age. duncan kennedy, bbc news, on the isle of wight. well, borisjohnson said in his speech last night that most airline passengers flying to the uk will soon be required to self—isolate,

but gave no further details on what that quarantine would actually look like. so, it's going to be millions of people with holiday plans bill unsure of what to do. that speak to the independent‘s travel editor, simon calder. there will be this quarantine for people coming by airlines to the uk. what does it mean for summer holidays? well, it just adds one more test to the hurdles that people have two cross in order to get a foreign holiday this year. the first one is, can you get to a uk airport or in the seaport? secondly, because the foreign office lifted the advice against all but essential travel, is there a company prepared to take you, crucially, with the destination company you, crucially, with the destination co m pa ny let you, crucially, with the destination company let you in and a new one, would you be able to tolerate the quarantine rules that the government looks like it will be introducing later this month? but as you say, it

applies only to airline passengers. so immediately, anyone who does want to ta ke so immediately, anyone who does want to take a trip abroad will think, i can go by train or by eurotunnel or ferry, because that way i won't need to self—isolate when i come back. that is as far as you understand it. you get to the uk, then you have to self—isolate for a0 days but there are exceptions as far as you understand for france and ireland? is, anyone coming in from almost anywhere in the world, typically they will be landing at heathrow, there are about a5 flights coming in today, they will be told to fill out the form specifying where they will be staying stop the presumption is that everybody coming in is a covid—19 carrier. and therefore, they will be presumed to be infected and they will have to stay in their private dwelling for two weeks. but, anyone from the republic of ireland will be exempt and there is a curious announcement after the prime

minister's speech last night saying that he and president macron of france have reached a separate agreement where they are not going to introduce quarantine measures without talking to each other. so it's entirely possible that if he wa nts to it's entirely possible that if he wants to avoid quarantine, you go to france, go to the republic of ireland, but that is a contingent issue on them. that comes to the original question, what do people do? people will want to go on holiday, what can they do and what are their rights as well? exactly, it's a real, real mass the travel industry is in. they are in turmoil already and tens of millions of people who would normally be going abroad in june orjuly people who would normally be going abroad injune orjuly or august simply do not know what is going to happen to their trip. the rule is this: suppose you are going to go somewhere lovely luxuries, if greece is prepared to let you win, then a travel company can operate the trip stopped if they can do that safely and successfully, the fact you cannot possibly spend two weeks when

you get home is they would say it's not their problem. so you are going to getan not their problem. so you are going to get an awful lot of angry calls this morning to travel companies, i'm afraid. i would urge you not to do so. the government is promising this 50 page document later today which hopefully will spell out some details. meanwhile, big travel companies are thinking what the heck do we do and they will be deciding whether they perhaps just write off summer or right ofjune and july and hope they may be able to set up some trips for august. but because there's no sense and when it is going to start, when how it might end, at the moment everybody is just baffled. simon, on that note of baffle m e nt, baffled. simon, on that note of bafflement, we will have two leave it. we may need to have you back tomorrow to explain more. thank you very much indeed. we will try to reduce your battlement throughout this morning. and if you are thinking about a holiday, matt is here with the weather. now, the tail end of last week was really high

numbers, a noticeable change over the weekend as you were saying last week? completely, yes. and that change took yesterday, of course look at these temperature contrasts just yesterday afternoon, 100 miles apart, 12 degrees. limit felt like summerand apart, 12 degrees. limit felt like summer and early spring in bristol. that cold air is now with all of us through the night, it has pushed its way southwards was that the prison chaplain never got about to head out it isa chaplain never got about to head out it is a pretty chilly starter this morning. frost around from mid wales, midlands, northwards. not as chilly as iris temperatures towards the south and east because we have a strong breeze here, and that is making it feel particularly cold as well. actually start to the working week, most of it will be dry with some sunny spells around today stop we have cloud putting down the eastern coast, you can see on the satellite, speckled cloud indicating there are a few showers down across parts that is in scotland and is in england at the moment. come further west, blue skies to begin with but

west, blue skies to begin with but we will see a bit more, clouded up through the day. sunny in the morning, a little bit more crowded the afternoon, that is in the afternoon, northern ireland and the south—east corner of england. but we will see more showers return to scotland. a blustery day once again particularly towards east anglia, the south—east, through the english channel, here we could see a0—50 miles an hour gusts, and that will make it feel colder than 11— 13 celsius would suggest. further north, the temperatures for some still sitting in single figures. and some clear skies, temperature is will drop low enough for thrust into tuesday morning, a colder night tonight across the southern half of the country as the winds start to ease. a big picture of high pressure us ease. a big picture of high pressure us into tomorrow. on the west of it is weather front will push in across parts of scotland throughout the day and so it is here we are likely to see some showers and sleet and snow at times as those showers work their

way southwards. a few showers were england and wales, most places will be dry here. funniest again first thing in the morning, clubs will spread out and temperatures by and large lower than they should be for this time of year. coldest in scotla nd this time of year. coldest in scotland in particular. then it was wednesday to be dry for the vast majority, we will see some showers just coming down eastern parts of england. and further west, best of the sunshine. but again, like most days we will seek a build up throughout the day and temperatures than they should be. they become trust with last week, dan and louise. and further on the travel issue, we will be speaking with the boss of manchester airport at 7:50am this morning, will be live at manchester airport throughout the morning for you. lots to talk on that issue for you. lots to talk on that issue for you about international travel and what happens next. to auckland boris johnson will today explain his plan for easing coronavirus restrictions to mps, after criticism that his statement to the nation last night had caused confusion. a fifty—page document is due to be published,

giving more details about how people in england can start to meet friends, and return to work. labour said the public had wanted clarity and consensus, and were given neither. most of the measures won't apply to scotland, wales and northern ireland. this is not the time simply to end the lot down this week. instead, we are taking the first careful steps to modify our measures in the first step is a change of emphasis that we hope people will act on this week. we said that you should work from home if you can and only go to work if you must. we now need to stress that anyone who can't work from home, for instance, those in construction or manufacturing, should be actively encouraged to go to work and we wanted to be safe for you to get to work so you should avoid public transport if at all

possible because we must and will maintain social distancing and capacity will therefore be limited. that is part of what the prime minister had to say last night. we will be exploring that and the implications for all of us this morning looking at the difference between scotland, northern ireland, england and wales. it's time now for us to explore the latest developments with the help of a gp. today we can say hello to dr gail allsopp, who is in derby. i'm sure you, like the rest of us was watching very carefully what the prime minister had to say last night. how do you think any of that will change thejob night. how do you think any of that will change the job that you and others in your profession are doing this week? one of the really great things that came out of last night is the exercise across the country this week, different days depending on what you are in, or exercise which is fantastic. you know

exercise is important for your physical health, heart health, lung health, muscle strength, getting out into the sunshine increases your vitamin d which is good for your immunity and well—being but really importantly, mental health. we've seen during this crisis when we been in lockdown, lots of people with increasing anxiety levels, and being able to get out more freely is going to help those so i'm encouraged by the fact that people can do more exercise and this is a really positive step forward but with the caveat of course that we must maintain that social distancing, the two metres rule, hand washing, not touching your face two metres rule, hand washing, not touching yourface is, it's absolutely imperative as we get out and about more. i was going to ask you about that because in the early stage of the virus, the need to wash our hands was probably the main thing we were talking about. do you think in england, there will be more people going outside, potentially more going back to work, but hand

washing becomes more important? hand washing becomes more important? hand washing has been incredibly important all the way through this crisis but if you're sitting at home in your own environment, you are going to be washing your hands less so how many of us have stopped singing happy birthday? we were told to do it twice. this becomes even more important. we know the virus spreads by coughing and spluttering in those droplets. we know the biggest vector is our hands, it's us touching our own face which spreads this virus so if we can stop touching our base and stay two metres away from people and wash your hands from with soap and water, break that virus down to kill it effectively, or if you don't have soap and water, then this absolutely will play a key role in reducing the transmission of the virus to ourselves, our family and transmission of the virus to ourselves, ourfamily and back transmission of the virus to ourselves, our family and back into ourselves, our family and back into our homes. we put out questions for

dominic raab and a lot of people in the health industry, various places across medicine, were worried about increase risk of infection. do you share that concern and how that might be seen over the course of the coming weeks? one thing that was really clear about the messages that this was a conditional change to what we are doing, clear about monitoring it. we have daily updates where we are looking at the number of infections, the number of people in hospital on the number of people dying and we have to remember people are still in hospital and people are still very sadly dying from this. if we see those numbers start to increase, i think the plan we were shown yesterday shows very clearly we will end up going back into a lot down. this is a very cautious and slow step and nobody can predict the future. we know in germany, our rate

of infection has increased slightly now social distancing has been relaxed, some instances of cases in china as well because of a similar thing to have to be it has to be slow, but this is the first baby steps if you like trying to find what our new is going to be. can i ask you, do you think yourjob, your industry has changed forever?” think there are some amazing changes that have been made and some really positive changes that have been made in general practice so the fact we have video conference calling is fantastic. i was talking to my godson last night was recently moved up godson last night was recently moved up to scotland, encouraging him to register with a gp and he said if he can do video calls, he would be much more likely to seek help and i think this is brilliant in terms of the fa ct this is brilliant in terms of the fact that the technology has moved apace in general practice, more accessible to people. there are some things we absolutely must keep.

there are things about general practice, i think we need to have a balance of the old and new. but i think general practice has changed forever. rachel here says can you ask the gp about the millions of people who will be shielding this morning? are they staying indoors indefinitely? hopefully there will be some more clarity on this issue, but what would your advice be to people like rachel this morning? shielding is really difficult and i think a lot of my patients in including some of my family members are finally getting increasingly difficult as the weeks go on but the letter that came out from nhs england was really clear, for those people shielding, it's 12 weeks from when you received that letter, the end ofjune for most people. i don't think those details are going to change today. when we hear more from

the government because it's important we protect this most vulnerable group of people. it's not going to be indefinite but we do need to watch the science and we need to watch the science and we need to watch the science and we need to go very carefully and cautiously to protect them because they are at the greatest risk of complications. doctor, thank you for your time complications. doctor, thank you for yourtime and complications. doctor, thank you for your time and have a good day. the limit on outdoor exercise is going to be lifted this week, and with it comes a return of recreational sport. the government has given the green light for unlimited outdoor exercise, and it means that golf, tennis and fishing will all be allowed from wednesday. social distancing rules will need to be followed though and you can only play with the people you live with.

so, what about the premier league? the clubs meet again today to talk about a potential restart, with the question of games being played at neutral grounds now one of the biggest issues they need to sort out. mark palios is a former chief executive of the fa and he's also the current chairman of tranmere rovers who play in league one. thanks forjoining us, mark. there seem to be a number of hurdles for the pl to overcome before any kind of comeback date can be targeted? can you see the pl matches being played again this season or could it be cancelled? what about the efl, tranmere are in league one and there are reports that both that division and league 2 could be cancelled this week? it puts it into perspective a little bit and also the health aspect so there are many moving parts to play even behind closed doors in one of the first ones is plays have to start training and you've seen abroad that what they've tried to do

is training, basically with social isolation, it becomes difficult with a team game and i think the premier league aren't there yet and i think they have meetings this week to decide as to how they can start on that very first small baby step. how realistic do you feel restarting the season is or is it more likely, do you feel it's more likely it could be cancelled ? do you feel it's more likely it could be cancelled? you look at football into different areas. in terms of where we are, it's difficult to see that the economic activity is dawning on people. the economic reality is overtaking sporting integrity. slightly different there, bigger resources and more able to do different things like play behind closed doors, if they can solve all the issues they have to. but equally, the finances are quite difficult and i do need to try there as well so there is a

motivation, at least from an economic sense, start playing behind closed doors but lower down early because i don't think the economic reality means that doesn't make sense and it's less likely to happen in leagues one and two. let's talk a little bit about leagues one and two because there are reports but that division and ligue1 because there are reports but that division and ligue 1 and lead to could be cancelled this week. what would that mean for your club? were the first thing, it's now become self—evident that it's more difficult than ever to see this commencing. we are in a difficult position because we are in the relegation zone and if they decide ona relegation zone and if they decide on a points per game issue for example, we would go down and it would cost us in the region of close—up to £1 million when you add on reduced games from sponsorship.

it's quite difficult for us and for quite a number of clubs in that regard. what will happen is, they have to decide on the options at this point in time, i think that's the intention, they will put the options to the clubs. they may even do what they normally do in these circumstances, and the phrase that uses look for a direction of travel slow may consult with the club ‘s first to decide as to what options should be foot forward to the vote. and how close are some of these clu bs to and how close are some of these clubs to the wire? how close would they be to potentially going out of business? if you roll back to the comments given last week, it's a hole between now, the cash hole between now and september. probably more than that because the forecast they use other once the efl and within the call, you've also got probably advanced receipts from

income, from the next season. the whole is massive so if you start to look at how you fill that hole, i don't think owners want to contribute more. i even think getting players wages deferred in some ways not going to be sufficient. and you might go looking for the extra cash and say when the premier league sort themselves out, there is a different way of sharing out the parachute payments, at cetera. all along you can see at some stage, you might have to consider using administration. insolvency doesn't mean the end of clu bs insolvency doesn't mean the end of clubs as we've seen in the past, but it actually is a way of reshaping this situation that clubs are in. there is a hell of a lot of way to

go. mark, great to talk to you. well, the idea of a restart has been further complicated by the latest premier league player to test positive for covid—19. he plays for brighton and hasn't been named by the club, who've already had two other players test positive earlier in the pandemic. there have also been more positive tests for players well, the idea of a restart has been further complicated by the latest in spain and germany. and i think the premier league will be very closely monitoring what happens in those two countries in particular, particularly germany where we know there have been positive test and looking into them to see if there is a row through the current crisis and how they deal with the current situation —— route through the current crisis. they are several weeks ahead of us in the sense of the ball returning there. it will be fascinating to see what happens in germany. i was talking to

football folks on saturday and they said everybody will be watching that incredibly carefully because, you we re incredibly carefully because, you were talking to mark, the plans for the premier league to start in the middle ofjune all depend on what happens elsewhere? exactly, and we have seen lots of talk in the papers about germany, almost like germany, has seen a way through. well, we have already seen germany hit a couple of stumbling blocks, so it won't be easy for anyone. ali, thank you very much and we will see you a little bit later. thank you. —— sally. last night's address by the prime minister signalled an important shift in a number of areas for workers, commuters, travellers and companies. sean's going to break down what it means for business. it's a pretty big job for you this morning, sean. good morning. cheers, guys, morning, sean. good morning. cheers, guys, good morning, good morning everybody. i think the key thing a lot of workers who are watching the prime minister was marcus beach last night was those workers who cannot work from home, having that new phrase of being actively encouraged

to go into work. and there was an emphasis on the destruction in manufacturing industries as well, also talk again about this guidance from the government about how businesses can be covid—secure, then businesses can be covid—secure, then business groups calling on clarity for what that means in a number of factors. one statement has come from halfords, it provides car and bike maintenance, but it has been mostly click and collect. i'm joined by the boss, graham stapleton. good morning to you. good morning. i'm sure you we re to you. good morning. i'm sure you were watching what the prime ministers last night. did anything he isa ministers last night. did anything he is a change how you are going to conduct business over the next few months ahead? what are your thoughts? i think what the prime ministerand thoughts? i think what the prime minister and the transport secretary said on saturday has a big bearing

for halfords inasmuch as there will be significantly less public transport available, about 10% of normal capacity, and that is going to mean people will have to get on bicycles and into cars to get to work safely. and that obviously means the role that we have already been playing to keep the uk moving over the lockdown period becomes arguably even more important as we get more people back to work safely. sure. and that's the people will be looking to use the equipment. are you with your business and staff members, if you have staff members who would get public transport to work every day, for example, if they feel after hearing the prime minister say that workers should avoid public transport where they can, if your staff felt uncomfortable about getting public transport, what would you say to them? we would do all we can to help them? we would do all we can to help them get to work in whatever way we can. we've already been trading in 325 retail stores and 3a5 garages to

get businesses during lockdown. so collea g u es get businesses during lockdown. so colleagues have been able to work for the significant proportion so far. so we would do all we could to ensure they got some work. what do you need to hearfrom ensure they got some work. what do you need to hear from whether it is the government orfrom you need to hear from whether it is the government or from customers, for you to open your stores fully, people to wander around the way they can its supermarkets at the moment? social distancing, but browsing stores ? social distancing, but browsing stores? we would have to be absolutely confident that we could keep a store open and keep social distancing at the level that you need to to keep colleagues and customers safe stop at the moment we are not in a position to be confident to do that and that is why we kept our stores closed. we will be working with colleagues and along

government guidelines to make that happen as soon as possible. won't you confident? it was the essential stores open and having rules in place, what is it that is stopping you right now? i think keeping the two metres in any type of store environment when there are a lot of customers in the store and you have collea g u es customers in the store and you have colleagues working next to each other, there is always a challenge. i think we are learning how supermarkets are working, and other retailers, we are working with government guidance as well to see how we develop that going forward. but in so we are absolutely confident and that our colleagues are comfortable, too, we won't reopen. and your company has updated its profit expectations, there wasn't upsurge —— was an upsurge in bicycle usage, is it sustainable for halfords to carry on the way you are

now and not have to cut costs elsewhere? i think we have helped a lot of uk public, wendy 1000, —— 21,000 people, so we've been glad we have been able to support the uk so far. we think we will need to be able to support people even more with that reduction in public transport. so we are confident through our garage business and getting cars back on the road, they may be dormant for weeks and months. and cycling today, we have launched a big campaign to try and get 7 million bytes we think our language in in sheds and arises across the uk back on the road —— languishing in sheds and garages, and we want to get them back on the road and people cycling to work. it's really important we do our bit to get the uk moving and get them back to work

safely. greg stapleton, thank you, the chief executive of halfords reflecting on how even for those businesses that can be open right now, it is difficult for bosses to have the confidence to make those stores say because they need to be for staff and customers. and we will be watching closely from the government over the next few days to see exactly what kind of procedures they will put in place for businesses to feel a bit more confident to do that. sorry, i was just going to say, sean, we have quite a few questions coming in for dominic raab around that. if i am asked to go back to work, what do i do? so we'll get clarity from the government on that later today. keep sending in your questions, we are trying to read as many as we can. in last night's address, the prime minister said it would soon be time to make people arriving at ports and airports self—isolate — but downing street later said those coming from france

and the republic of ireland would be exempt. that's likely to make things even more difficult for the beleaguered aviation industry. there will also be changes to departure terminals, exactly how they work. our correspondent dan johnson is at manchester airport. good morning, the other side of the door. what will life be like at manchester airport today? well, they are trialling a new set of procedures here, and the ambition or request is if possible you turn up to the airport in a mask and in gloves as well, although, if you don't arrive with them, you will be given some. we'rejust don't arrive with them, you will be given some. we're just having a look at their check—in desks this morning, absolutely bare, there are just a couple of guys cleaning this morning, there is one check—in desk open for people to use. you can see from the board there are very few flights, just five flights on the departure board today. the first two there are off to dublin. that is because aviation has been so badly hurt. you can see social distancing

eneabba down on the floor, we have the two metre reminders —— you can see the social distancing signs down on the floor. there are so few passengers. so, when you drop your bags off at check—in, before you get to security, you can pick up a mask and disposable gloves that you should wear when you are going through the airport of the time in the airport. now, that is a manchester airport decision, it is being trailed here and is midlands and sta nsted airport being trailed here and is midlands and stansted airport as well. that isn't necessarily going to be mandatory on the plane, that is a decision for airlines. mandatory on the plane, that is a decision forairlines. but manchester airport thinks this is a way to train so that it and get more passengers through the airport if there are more flights to run. in there are more flights to run. in the next stage will be to approach a body temperature scanner to check your temperature is not too high. how cool this morning, james? 36.8. 36.8? that has gone up a bit. that

the tension of live broadcasting for you. but it shows they can do things safely with the more passengers in the airport, but at the minute there are very the airport, but at the minute there are very few the airport, but at the minute there are very few passengers the airport, but at the minute there are very few passengers here today, just those five flights leaving this morning. you can see information here about temperature checks, this isa here about temperature checks, this is a new trail of equipment to try and make sure that passengers can get through airports safely in future. here is the detail and information about masks and gloves they are asking you to wear while you are in the airport. some of the stress, some of the decisions have been taken out of going through the airport. whether you are that person who enjoys time in the airport terminal or not, there is no need to dither about whether to have a pint ora pie, in dither about whether to have a pint or a pie, in fact very few shops are open. it's a strange atmosphere for people in airports, the few of them, who are flying home. it's such a

stark contrast from what it is normally like there. let's also talk about these restrictions. at some point, for travellers arriving in the uk as well, will they apply also? yes, it's notjust departures thatis also? yes, it's notjust departures that is changing at the airport, arrivals, two. the government says it will soon be time for people arriving in the uk to effectively go into self quarantine. they are saying passengers will need to do that for two weeks if they are landing in the uk from any countries other than ireland and france. what that actually means in terms of taking yourself off somewhere and isolating, he will enforce that, who will believe that, how it will be checked on arrival by border force, those are things to be worked out. that is why it isn't mandatory at the moment was it will bring that in in the days ahead as airports and airlines try to find ways to get more flights in the air. listen, it has been really extraordinary, actually, to see what is going on

there, dan. we will be back with your little labour thanks for the moment. —— a little later. as louise keeps saying, we are rare so many of you watching this morning have questions, requests for clarity about what your own situation will be. i mentioned to louise this morning once we heard from the prime minister last night, i put it up on social media you have any questions for dominic raab who will be here at 7:30 a.m., let us know. i have 5500 questions last time i checked. we can't ask them all. lots of them are around eating your family. can't ask them all. lots of them are around eating yourfamily. i think thatis around eating yourfamily. i think that is a real concern for so many of our viewers this morning, about meeting your loved ones, when you can meet them, where you can meet them and if it is one person at one time, can that person change over the course of the few days? so, we will try and get clarity about that. the prime minister didn't say anything about that in his speech but there was everything where they said you could meet one person to metres away in a park. does it have

to be the same person or cannot change? somebody in the morning and somebody in the afternoon was two —— can that change? so, some people have questions, dan has been inundated with them. and schools, we understand in england years may be able to go back from june one, but that has implications for so many people. i will be talking to somebody about school is a little bit later and a british bma as well. nicola sturgeon will be here at 8:30 a.m., the mayor of london at 8:a0 a.m., the mayor of london at 8:a0 a.m., the mayor of london at 8:a0 a.m., the mayor of greater manchester as well, just as complications, louise mentioned about england, scotland, northern wales and so on, what if you work in one place and live in another? how does that affect trying to go back to work if you want to earn are able to? so, lots of things to try and get to the bottom of this morning. one thing we do have clarity on, is the weather. now, you were right about the sudden change in weather on sunday. we did arrive stop and if

you are about to step out the door this morning, suspect a system shock. it is cold, temperatures for mid wales, northwards, we have a frost around as well. and even though template is looking a bit higher because the southeast on it was the channel islands, don't be full, the wind is quite raw and it could be chilly. after that cold start it will be mostly dry with sunny spells, however they will be a little bit of doubt here and there across eastern parts of the country. we will see that cloud, as you can see at the moment, coming in. it's fairly speckled in nature, an indication we have showers around across eastern england and equalled wind with it. some show is putting into the north of scotland later, too, but the vast majority will be dry. many of you, it's only this morning before the father's up a little bit later. an remaining sunny northern ireland towards the south—east, but of course east anglia will see the wind gusts a0—50 miles an hourat anglia will see the wind gusts a0—50 miles an hour at times and it will

add you, feeling colder than those temperatures would suggest. all temperatures would suggest. all temperatures below average for this stage in may, many close to single figures. into this evening and overnight, showers across scotland continue, one or two towards the eastern coast but many will be dry. with clear skies around we'll see another frost, another cold night, with clear skies around we'll see anotherfrost, another cold night, a co—ordinator across the southern half of the country compared with yesterday. but for tomorrow, well, high pressure is trying to build in. it will slowly push its way in through the week, not quite enough to stop shower clouds coming in, this weather front bringing quite a few across the northern half of scotla nd few across the northern half of scotland through the day. it will be cold enough on the back edge of the rain to turn to sleet and snow. one or two isolated showers elsewhere, most will have a dry day, sunniest in the morning, cloudy into the afternoon and dangled. all of your headlines up next!

good morning. welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. the headlines today: borisjohnson outlines a gradual easing of the lockdown in england — but there's a warning things could change if the infection rate goes up. if there are problems, we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. we've been through the initial peak, but it's coming down the mountain that is often more dangerous. we'll be allowed to spend more time outdoors and some workplaces and schools could re—open — although most of the measures wont apply to scotland, wales

and northern ireland. new rules are on the way for those flying into the uk — i'll speak to the boss of manchester airport about what that will mean for the aviation industry. more exercise, and more sports. golf tennis, and fishing will be allowed in england from wednesday, as long as social distancing rules are followed, but you can only play with someone from your household. this it's monday 11 may. this our top story. the prime minister has outlined measures to start a very gradual easing of the lockdown in england. in a televised address he said the government's message will change from ‘stay at home‘ — to ‘stay alert‘. but the message won‘t change in scotland, wales and northern ireland. borisjohnson also said anyone who can‘t work from home should return to work from today

but to avoid public transport if possible. from june 1, primary schools in england could see a partial reopening — starting in reception, and years 1 and 6. there are no plans for a full return of secondary schools before september but pupils facing exams next year may get some time with their teachers before the summer. people will also be allowed unlimited outdoor exercise from wednesday and the bbc has been told that you will also be able to meet one person from outside your own household in a park as long as you stay two metres apart. from july, at the earliest, some cafes — and other public places — might be re—opened. the government will issue fifty pages of guidance on the new measures later today as iain watson reports. it is now almost two months... after seven weeks of lockdown around the uk, people watched the prime ministerfrom their homes where they‘ve been told to stay. for viewers in england, he changed his message from "stay at home"

to "stay alert." but most of lockdown will remain in place. thanks to you, we‘ve protected our nhs and saved many thousands of lives. and so i know, you know that it would be madness now to throw away that achievement by allowing a second spike. we must stay alert, we must continue to control the virus and save lives. the lockdown has saved lives but hurt the economy. so, the prime minister sketched out a plan for how restrictions could be lifted in future. we can see it all around us in the shuttered shops and abandoned businesses and darkened pubs and restaurants, and there are millions of people who are both fearful of this terrible disease and, at the same time, also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods and their mental and physical well—being, to their futures and the futures of their children.

his plan will come in three phases. from wednesday this week in england, you will be able to spend more time out of doors and not just for exercise. for example, you‘ll be permitted to meet a friend or a family memberfrom outside your household in a park or open space, so long as you stay two metres apart. from june 1, the prime minister would like to be able to begin the phased return of prime school pupils to full—time education. but that will depend on whether the virus has remained under control. the next step could see some hospitality businesses and other public places reopen, but no earlier than july 1. and borisjohnson made it clear that any easing of restrictions could be reversed. if there are outbreaks, if there are problems, we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. we‘ve been through the initial peak, but it‘s coming down the mountain that is often more dangerous. and the opposition are raising questions over boris johnson‘s call for people who can‘t

do theirjob from home in england to go back to work. safety guidance hadn‘t yet been issued and workers are still being told to avoid public transport. this statement raises as many questions as it answers, and we see the prospect of england, scotland and wales pulling in different directions. the devolved administrations in scotland, wales and northern ireland aren‘t changing the message to "stay at home" and any tweaks to their lockdown will be strictly limited. the message in scotland at this stage is not stay at home if you can. the message is except for the essential reasons you know about, stay at home full stop. our advice has not changed in wales. wherever you can, you should stay at home. the message on the lockdown may

sound different depending on where you live, but the prime minister insists there‘s a shared determination across the uk to defeat the virus. iain watson, bbc news. our political correspondent jessica parker joins from westminster. jessica there‘s been criticism about the lack of clarity in borisjohnson‘s speech but we‘re expecting more detail today aren‘t we? there are 50 pages of clarification expected from the government. later today, because as you say, there is a sense that maybe people will be asking a range of questions this morning following the prime minister ‘s words last night. should they be going to work? how should they get there that been told to avoid transport, and have no other means of getting to their work place and it‘s a point it‘s been picked up by the labour leader as we were hearing

who‘s been saying the prime minister appears to be effect to be telling millions of people to go back to work without a clear plan for safety or clear guidance. government sources are telling me that has been dialogue going into business —— going on for weeks but we should be getting a 50 page document later today which will also include advice on face coverings. the prime minister will be up before mps, answering questions and i think we‘re going to get that official guidance for businesses in the next a8 hours. i think some would say as well, if the prime minister is making a tv address, setting out a roadmap, he is never going to be able to answer every single point in detail but having said that there will be a lot of pressure for the government to answer some of those questions over the course of the next few days. the other complexity you have is the four nations of the

uk moving at slightly different speeds, and other potentially complicated message for the public to digester. jessica parker in westminster, thank you. thousands have been getting in touch about that speech last night. thank you so much for being in touch. we‘ll be hopefully getting some answers for you throughout the morning. we‘ll be speaking to the teaching unions in just a few minutes about their concerns over children returning to schools. at 7:30am we‘ll be talking to the foreign secretary dominic raab and at 8:30am to scotland‘s first minister nicola sturgeon. our the prime minister also said those who couldn‘t work from home should be "actively encouraged to go to work." but he told people to avoid using public transport where possible. keith doyle is at kings cross station in london this morning. keith, there are worries that lots of people won‘t have any choice but to use public transport if they have to go back to work? they really don‘t have a clear message. there is a clear message from the prime minister saying

people should go back to work if they can‘t work from home. the manufacturing and construction industries, though should be actively encouraged back to work. that only applies in england and scotland, wales and northern ireland. do not avoid public transport if of at all possible. people should walk or drive or use b i cycles. people should walk or drive or use bicycles. for many people, this is not an option. there is no rush hour. capacity has been reduced. that is likely to change. people will be wondering how social distancing is going to be kept up on public transport, that possible? we sought the start of the of the lockdown the pictures of cramped tube trains and other trains there was no social distancing whatsoever. unions fear the exact thing will happen. comments from them, frances

o‘grady said this statement will cause workers confusion and anxiety and the unite union general secretary len mccluskey said people cannot get to work safely unless there is public transport. workers will be cramming onto public transport putting lives at risk. there is more guidance, so people who want to go back to work and have to use public transport will want to know how they can do that safety. we will speak to you a little bit later, thank you. despite the prime minister announcing that people coming to the uk by air will need to quarantine, downing street said those travelling from france will be exempt. let‘s get more on this from our paris correspondent hugh schofield. hugh how did this come about? well, it‘s not clear exactly what

happened, the french threatening are tit—for—tat if they were included in this quarantine arrangement. what does seem to be clear is that johnson and macron had a conversation yesterday in which macron said it is unfair, unfair from the french point of view because they have included the british and their rules about quarantining. if you come into france from other schengen countries in europe and britain, you‘re not obliged to quarantine. they‘ve included rather kindly britain and their arrangements so they were peeved that borisjohnson was not giving france the equivalent exemption. there was this conversation and it does look as if france is exempt from the british rulers which means it will be possible for british people to come to france for a holiday and then go back to britain and they would have to quarantine and self isolate another country. it‘s good news for them but does suggest there is

something of a hole in the overall policy of quarantining. it‘s not really the sort of issue that people are looking at because today‘s the day of coming out confinement here in france and ijust cycled here from my home in central paris and you can see things gradually returning to normal but i have to say it still doesn‘t feel like normal here at all and there is traffic but much less than normal and on the metro, the predicted big rush of people onto public transport has not happened at all. hugh schofield, thank you for that update live from paris this morning. it's live from paris this morning. it‘s interesting seeing how other countries are trying in their different ways to get some semblance of normality back. some primary school pupils in england could be back in the classroom byjune1st, as part of the government‘s phased return to school. in his televised address to the nation last night, boris johnson said pupils in reception, year1 and year 6 could go back first. breakfast‘s jayne mccubbin has been to a primary school in merseyside

to see whether parents and pupils feel ready to return. this is a small slice of saint elizabeth‘s primary school in merseyside. we miss them all. we hopein merseyside. we miss them all. we hope in many ways we see them however we want them to be safe to come back. and there is the rub. it is the right time to get back to class ? is the right time to get back to class? when will the government ring the school bell. alexis is now, linda says no. i don't i want to go back. i'm really excited. it's too soon. lindsay and dean want this over but it‘s conned placated. soon. lindsay and dean want this over but it's conned placated. are you bored? over but it's conned placated. are you bored ? yes. over but it's conned placated. are you bored? yes. did he is? yes.” got mixed feelings. he's got asthma. i really want to be sure he said to go back. if you had that certainty, you‘d be springing on? yes, definitely, yeah. while lindsay ‘s worry about her son ‘s health, tony is worried about the health of other vulnerable family members. the pa rents a re vulnerable family members. the parents are going to have take them

to school and they are going to be outside the school gathering so there needs to be a balance.“ outside the school gathering so there needs to be a balance. if the government says it‘s time for year 6 to go back, do you think you might ta ke to go back, do you think you might take the decision to go no, i‘m keeping him home. i'd probably not let him go back to school. alysia has barely missed a school day. her mum isa has barely missed a school day. her mum is a carer so she is one of only for being kids who have still been going to school every week and she struggling. you are really missing your best mate, aren‘t you? struggling. you are really missing your best mate, aren't you?” struggling. you are really missing your best mate, aren't you? i hope i get to see him this year. he's been she's been getting a bit upset at times. the government might say we‘re going to slowly phase this income maybe year 6 first of all. well the school has two classes, that's near enough 60 children going back to school all at once. almost all the parents i met felt a long way from confident about the idea of sending kids back into saint elizabeth‘s playground before the end of this school year. head teacher mr daniels wants clarity.

the longer period of time we get to prepare, the better. during the first is a date that is kind of been thrown around. it does seem like a very timescale to get back to normal but we will see. those children might be itching to get back but not all. leo is super aware of the virus which is changed his world. it's like when we go back to school and things start to change, it will be a bit weird because you don‘t want to get distracted about it because you don‘t want to become an infection. you are saying, leo, the time isn‘t now but dad? i think the time possibly, if it's not now, it's not far away. if you're a child in your parents are both shielded, you could be carrying it. the child could be exempt but for those who want in that situation, the periods we should move towards education because they need to get prepared for what's coming up next in their life. every family wants what is best for their kids. that means

different things to different people. it's the homeschooling, isn‘t it? people. it's the homeschooling, isn't it? enjoying it, aren't we? a bit. enjoying it? i do really want to do my stats. just how clever you really are. because i actually want someone who is professional to teach me. either way, he's not. is going to have to wake wait until at least during the first that with guidance to school and england out later. in scotland, wales and northern ireland, kids will stain whole schooling for some weeks to come. there are so many views on this, aren‘t there? let‘s get more reaction to last night‘s statement — we‘re joined now by patrick roach, the general secretary of the teachers union the nasuwt, and the chair of the bma council, dr chaand nagpaul. thank you very much forjoining us, both of you. and doctor chaand nagpaul, we want to start with you. we just nagpaul, we want to start with you. wejust had nagpaul, we want to start with you. we just had about schools there. i schools ready for reception, year1

and year6to schools ready for reception, year1 and year 6 to come back onjune one? imean, the and year 6 to come back onjune one? i mean, the fact of the matter is the government has announced the date but hasn‘t come forward with a plan about how schools will ensure they are safe for pupils and staff to be in from june the first. in the prime minister said it would be madness to risk a second spike in relation to transmission of a virus. well, the profession has very serious concerns about that announcement ofjune the first, whether it is possible to achieve it or achieve it in a way that is safe for pupils and staff stop there is more detail coming out, apparently we‘ll be speaking to dominic raab in 15 minutestime. you expect that 50 page document of clarification to come out today, with three weeks be enough for you if there is more clarity on how to do things, with that give you the ability to bring those three years back? we will have

to look at what those 50 pages contain. we haven‘t seen them yet. the reality of the moment is schools need to ensure they are properly prepared and we have seen very strong evidence that schools are lacking in ppe, personal protective equipment, but also the rules in relation to social distancing. they have not been adequately implemented in the school concert —— context. how can we ensure its stringent social distancing for five and six —year—olds? parents will want to know that schools will be hygienic, they will be safe for children to be m, they will be safe for children to be in, and we still don‘t have any clear standards about what safe cleaning routines would be like within the school context, and we need to have that. we'll come back to you in a second. let‘s talk to

doctor nagpaul. so the change in messaging from stay height —— at home to stay alert, what does that mean to you? i'm not sure. we should only ease the lockdown when we feel it is safe to do so. at the moment we had more people die on saturday than we had at the beginning of the lockdown. so, infact, we than we had at the beginning of the lockdown. so, in fact, we have seen about a000 new cases every day of the weekend. and that is just a fraction of the real number of new cases because of limited testing. so there is a considerable amount of community circulation of the virus going on. if we now allow the public to go to local parks in an unlimited sense, to go outdoors, we have not heard of how the government will enforce social distancing and how it will avoid the whole neighbourhood playing in a park with balls moving from one group to another and spreading the disease. so i‘m

concerned there is no clarity. and as regarding people going back to work, millions of workers in construction and manufacturing, there is no information on how practically we will be able to ensure a social distancing. many of these workers actually work in an environment where they have to work in pairs, in construction, or in teams. without a risk assessment of those who may be most vulnerable, without any clarity on how personal protective equipment may be necessary in those jobs, and there are mixed messages about public transport, don‘t use it, and expecting people to have their own transport. we know many people don‘t have their own transport. any transport workers operate vans and trucks in pairs, they may transmit infections to each other, that infections to each other, that infection could be brought home to theirfamilies. we infection could be brought home to their families. we are at real risk without any coherence or safeguards that the infection could have a second surge. that‘s our biggest problem. and also people who travel

to any part of the country, because there are no restrictions now. what we mightfind there are no restrictions now. what we might find is infections are spreading from areas of high concentration, like holiday areas where at the moment the infection rate is rather contained. so there are huge risks with a lack of clarity. and remember the other point about many of the european nations, is very clear about the public wearing face coverings in those nations. germany, italy, spain, france and we have heard nothing from the government about how it will protect the public on how it will protect the public on how the public will protect each other by preventing the spread of infection should they go out more than they do now. a lot of u na nswered than they do now. a lot of unanswered questions, we‘re very worried. do you think there is concern across medical profession about a second spike in covid—19 cases? of course we are. and remember, if we have another spade, we run the risk ofjust going

backwards and creating another surge and overwhelming our health service that we are talking now about the health service resuming some normal services stop there are countless patients who have suffered in the last few months from non— covid—19 situations, and we have no many of those have become seriously ill and whether the increased death statistics in the community may be made up of people who don‘t have covid—19 but other serious illnesses like cancer, heart attacks and strokes and so forth. if we run back to normal services, we run the risk of overwhelming the health service and dealing with covid—19 surges in the future. so this needs to be a very carefully thought out process. it cannot be rushed. and we have arbitrary statistics around starting onjune arbitrary statistics around starting on june one. when arbitrary statistics around starting onjune one. when we had the lockdown, no—one would have imagined we would have ended up with more death than the rest of europe. and i had no idea how the government came

up had no idea how the government came up with this date ofjune the first when we don‘t know the real impact and risk of opening up and people going to work without properly thinking through how we will contain the infection in this process. let's talk to patrick roach. if i could pick up some of those points. we will speak to dominic raab and there will speak to dominic raab and there will be lots of detail, we understand. there is a 50 page document, i‘m sure both of you will be going through very carefully. a lot of people have concerns about children not in education as well. so there is in some way a delicate balance here, isn‘t there? so there is in some way a delicate balance here, isn't there? there is indeed. but the reality is that children have remained in some form of education since schools were closed. teachers are working hard providing access to remote learning opportunities, and late in the day the government has come forward with all the measures, including media and technology companies providing access to online learning resources. we think that is welcomed. but

pa rents we think that is welcomed. but parents and of course teachers will be very concerned about any premature brush to reopen schools on an arbitrary date, june one, which could put the health and safety of children and young people and their support staff in schools at risk. and that is why we have been saying that the government has to be clear, clear as to what the rationale is or what it proposes to do here, we are in relation to guidance that it is issuing to schools, and clear about what its expectations are in relation to how schools ensure they remain safe for children and safe for staff. thank you both very much indeed for talking to us. patrick roach and doctor chaand nagpaul. and we will be speaking to foreign secretary dominic raab in six minutes‘ time for you on breakfast this morning. the labour leader sir keir starmer has claimed borisjohnson‘s statement "raises as many questions as answers."

let‘s talk to the shadow home secretary nick thomas—symonds. good morning to you. thank you very much forjoining us. i‘m sure you are listening to the prime minister last night. we know this 50 page documentation is going to be released at 2pm this afternoon. he was cautious in many things that he said. you think it is the right approach? well, i was very concerned about the statement last night, of course some additional guidance todayis course some additional guidance today is welcomed stop but i think we need to move forward with clarity and consensus. neither of those things, i‘m afraid, were provided by the statement last night. for example, we look at today, it seems that at 12 hours‘ notice, the prime ministers encouraging millions of people to go back to work without that formal guidance in place. we seem to be changing in england to this ambiguous stay alert, away from the more widely understood, stay at home and save lives. and we also

seem to be asking our police to go out and to enforce this set of different rules, which doesn‘t seem entirely clear at the moment. so i very much hope that the information today does provide clarity, because it is urgently needed. do you agree that lockdown does need to be eased? that we need to find a path out? well, look, we‘ve seen what the labour approach is, speaking to you from wales. you can start to take certain measures provided you take a structured, strategic approach and you have clear communication. and here in wales the stay—at—home, save lives message has been retained and there are some measures being taken around exercise for other matters to is the lockdown, and that is appropriate to do if you have that structured approach to do —— to ease

the lockdown. we have the prime minister last night talking about june one, saying reception, year1 and year6 in june one, saying reception, year1 and year 6 in england should be going back stop do you agree schools need to reopen? well, i certainly think that we need a plan for schools, as part of the exit strategy. but the precise date onto when they reopen must be around when it is safe to do so. and the government needs to work with the teaching unions, with staff, with pupils and to ensure that parents and all those involved in our education sector, which by the way have done a fantasticjob in recent weeks providing online learning and learning at a distance, can all be sure that they are going back into a working environment that is safe for everyone. you are shadow home secretary. there are pictures at the weekend, went there, of people out and about —— where there not? what

did you think about that?” and about —— where there not? what did you think about that? i was concerned but i think it is a salutary lesson in there being a clear communication from the government. there seems to be government. there seems to be government briefings on a number of newspapers, that today was going to be magic monday, all of a sudden a great day of freedom. it‘s perhaps not surprising that when the government started to go back, there was confusion as to what was actually required. but that‘s not move away from the fact that the vast majority of the british public have done extraordinary things, made extraordinary sacrifices in recent weeks and have done all they can do the right thing for their and communities. and just, the right thing for their and communities. andjust, let's the right thing for their and communities. and just, let's talk about the r number, the rate the virus reproduces. at the moment it is less than one, but if it goes above one, would you: the government to reimpose restrictions? well, i

think the government‘s on strategy, andi think the government‘s on strategy, and i think this applies to devolved governments as well, once that number starts to rise above one, you have to look again at the measures that are in place and that is the appropriate thing to do. also, the government needs to set up more detail on its testing and tracing strategy, because clearly as we go forward , strategy, because clearly as we go forward, if that system is set up, working as it should be, we will also be able to sell in a very particular way, different parts of the country, sometimes quite small areas of the country where there are particular outbreaks, and that is something we can then look at specific measures in relation to as well. nick thomas-symonds, shadow home secretary, thank you very much for your time here. home secretary, thank you very much foryourtime here. dominic home secretary, thank you very much for your time here. dominic raab will be with us soon, and we know a 50 page document, we understand, in the last half—an—hour or so will be released at 2pm this afternoon. we will try and get some clarity from dominic raab for you and nicola sturgeon, the scottish first

minister, will be here at 8:30am. if you have questions for her send us through to us as well. so we catch up through to us as well. so we catch up on the weather? what‘s going on there with that lovely temperature? ireland, kids will stain whole schooling for some weeks to come. the last feel that early taste of summer has gone. cold air has pushed finally to all areas. a very chilly start of the time of year. make it feel even colder across the south—east corner. chilly, fairly cold start. chance of a few showers across eastern areas. that‘s who would like to see some showers. some

showers across the north—west of scotland, pushing a little bit further south. most will be dry. sunny spells and northern ireland and the south—east. winds gusting a0-50 and the south—east. winds gusting a0—50 miles an hour. that‘s going to give it added windchill. it is going to build colder now and many places again, struggling to get them. the full forecast later. any walks any walks hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. the prime minister has outlined measures to start a very gradual easing of the lockdown in england. in a televised address he said the government‘s message in england will change from "stay at home" — to "stay alert". but there‘s been criticism his plan lacks clarity, and raises more let‘s speak now to the foreign secretary, dominic raab. there has been criticism his plan lacks clarity and raises more questions than answers. let‘s speak to the foreign secretary, dominic

raab. we heard the announcement on the prime minister last night. we got over 5000, will try and get through as many of those we can. i‘m sure you appreciate there are lots of questions as well this morning. can we start on the major messaging. do you think, and this is being suggested by quite a few people, that stay alert lacks the clarity we had from stay—at—home? that stay alert lacks the clarity we had from stay-at-home? of course, if we‘re going to come out of very restrictive state of our measures with god, going to need to change the message. the prime minister has set up the first in three stages from wednesday. the third step at the earliest from the fourth of july. as we start to take this road map set of measures to protect life to preserve our livelihoods but also to preserve our livelihoods but also to get our way of life back to

something resembling normal, it‘s going to be really important as we do more of the things they want to do, that we stay alert so we can control the virus and we don‘t see provide. we‘ve made great progress. the public have done an exceptional job into adhering to the guidance so farand i‘m job into adhering to the guidance so far and i‘m confident people, that we need to treat people like adults and that‘s what we‘re going to do. there is a 50 page document coming out with the accompanying guidelines. i‘m confident as we change the measures which would have to do at some point, we do so responsibly in a clear way so it is important to stay alert because we start to get more people back to work, doing more of the things they wa nt to work, doing more of the things they want to do, there is a risk the virus could come back and that‘s why the social distancing measures will remain important for a long time to come. would spoken about the importance of the four hyphenation approach and it seems to have changed. somebody living in chester will be under different regulations and guidelines from somebody living

in wrexham. why has there been no change, england is going slightly different way to scotland, wales and northern ireland ? different way to scotland, wales and northern ireland? it's a feature of the devolution constitutional settle m e nt the devolution constitutional settlement there are different parts in the formations. we‘ve done a very good job so far through this coronavirus pandemic, keeping a broadly same approach, if you look at the compliance, they‘ve been very consistent across the formations but we‘ve recognised partly because we‘re doing different things in parts of the united kingdom, one or other of the four nations. and because of the constitutional settlement, it may move at a slightly different speed. we like to keep a lot of it going as possible but a judgement call for the devolved administrations. that is not unique to the uk.. i spoke to the german foreign minister last

night. it was interesting to see how they approached the regional state governments. but the most important thing, we had cooperation with all the first ministers. nicola sturgeon said she wasn‘t consulted about the change. why not? we had consultation through michael gove in the cabinet office. we had meetings all along and we will continue that close collaboration but we also respect that if the scottish government want to proceed at a slightly different way and speed, that is their prerogative. but we are confident based on the advice that we are setting out, we did the right thing at the right time, both in terms of the overriding priority of protecting public health but getting people‘s livelihoods back to

something resembling normal because of those other economic and social costs, staying in is restricted measures for a longer period than is necessary. are you happy if i fire as many questions from viewers to you to get clarity. there are people who are desperate for some sort of a nswer who are desperate for some sort of answer this morning. can you do that? let's have a quick one. first up, lots of people talking about meeting up with family. they haven‘t seen members of their family for seven weeks. jackie said, can you change the one person you meet up with as long as it is only one person each day? one day, can i see my mum and the next day, meet my dad ora my mum and the next day, meet my dad or a friend in the park. we said if you go out of home to the park, for exercise, whatever you it may be, you can go with members of your own household. if you‘re in the park and you are two metres apart, we are saying, and use some commonsense,

you can meet up with other people. the key thing is, people want to get outdoors, and frankly the frustration people feel, they are cooped up for too long for protracted periods. we want to make sure people can enjoy the outdoors more. but people must stay alert because the more we do some of the things we want to do, the more we need to be careful about this social distancing. you can keep the two metres social distancing, but they will be fine and those outdoor spaces. mark says, can i meet my mum in the morning and my dad in the afternoon? outside, in the outdoors, two metres apart, yes. can he do that in his garden on the driveway orders have to be in a park? that‘s a question from lots of people today who you appreciate people who want to have contact with their loved ones. my mum 's birthday was on the weekend, it breaks my heart not to be with her with the family but that is one of the restrictions we have

currently. moving forward, with asked sage, the group of government experts, and how and when this might be done in the future but we are clear at the moment this is not a safe thing to do because of the risk of the virus spreading. if that family birthday was next weekend, would you go? as i said, we can't mix within homes, one or more households at this moment in time but we‘ve asked sage for advice further down the track, giving us advice on two things and how it could be done. people cannot mix within the homes, one or two or three more households cannot mix together inside the home as of now but that advice is not changing. for all the reasons you mentioned, your view as mentioned, people like to be able to do that at some point in the

future. football in the park, lots of concerns about that. you know what it‘s like, all of a sudden, other people are involved. you can't stay two metres apart. we do want people to play more sport. let me give you some example. two people from the same home could go and play tennis because that‘s something where they could stay two metres apart from everyone else. what you couldn‘t and do and this is why we see got to stay alert, you couldn‘t then go into the clubhouse and mill around. football would be one of those where it would be very difficult to stay two metres apart. and if you are playing 11 aside or five aside. how is it possible for me to see my boss every day, to spend hours with strangers in the park all day but i can‘t see my two daughters who i‘m assuming don‘t live with him and live separately at the same time. so the advice about going back to work is predicated on

first of all, we want people to work from home if they can. they can‘t work from home, say manufacturing or construction, you can go back to work, we are working with the employers to make sure that it‘s safe. in relation to the gentleman you referred to, he could see his daughters in the park outside if they maintain their distance to metres apart. but we need to be careful about the social distancing some in that context, we say stay so we control the virus and after all the gains we‘ve made, or the sacrifices people of made, see the virus levels spike up again, the number one thing it this level. they‘ve gone to long down. the virus goes back up above the so—called r level one which risks and exponential growth in the virus and the spike. this gentleman could go and see his daughters outside and in

the park. i want to get through as many of these. i‘ve been accused of not giving clarity so i will go as quickly as i can and give a clear message. this is one from paul. you can drive to other destinations, where and how far? can i drive from south wales to restore, london, is this intended to be local. it's not the distance that matters, you can drive as far as you want to go, to go and walk in, i don‘t know, a park ora go and walk in, i don‘t know, a park or a particular area you are fond of as long as you maintain social distancing but if you are going from one part of the uk to another, from england to wales or scotland to wales and different rules are in place because the devolved administration takes a different approach, you need to be mindful of the regulations they got in place. if you live in england or wales, and you are moving around in that

nation, you just need to comply with the rules that are in place by the wash executive, or here in the uk in england, the rules we are setting out today. who should be going back to work today? if you can work from home, stay at home. that is the best way to avoid interaction that spreads the virus. if you can‘t work from home, then you should now go back to work because it has been enough time. we‘ve got the virus down, the measures have been put in place in the workplace, manufacturing or construction setting meaning it‘s been done in a safe way. if at all possible, walk or cycle or drive to work and only if absolutely necessary, use public transport and on public transport, we‘re going to be setting out detail and guidance to make sure that can be done in a safe way at two o‘clock and in substance in subsequent

guidance tomorrow. what about my manufacturing job, they won‘t be implementing social distancing and i‘m pretty sure. what do i do. my employer‘s head office is in england, i live and work in wales. what do i do? you make the full detail will come out at two o‘clock, and it will be more guidance for workplace settings but it you‘re in manufacturing and possible to go to work safely and securely because the hygiene measures have been put in place because other precautions have been taken and we work very closely with employers in manufacturing and construction, they will be giving advice to their workers and that needs to be followed carefully. without knowing the details, we can‘t talk about every single job but in most sectors like manufacturing and construction, we work very carefully to make sure there are secure settings for people to go back to work but obviously

employers will need to give and i‘m sure in the next day or so, when these measures kick in, further advice for particular businesses. aaron potter, a teacher, asks how is human to socially distance 30 kids when they go back to school? we're not any decisions on school other than you can and should go back to school. but from the first ofjune, we would start with reception, you wa nt we would start with reception, you want in year6 we would start with reception, you want in year 6 in primary schools, different arrangements for secondary schools and over a phased condition way, and working with the schools, we will make sure we would have clear guidance about how that can be donein clear guidance about how that can be done in social distancing with hygiene. the evidence suggests there is very little, much lower risk for

young children getting this virus. the risk is that you get transmission through children between households. what we want to do is make sure, and will have more evidence by the time we get the first ofjune which will be at the earliest subject to conditions the point in which we started a very phased controlled way preceding so we will be providing that guidance and monitor it carefully what happens to the between now and then. thank you very much for coming on this morning and answering loads of our view as christians. that guidance coming out at 2pm this afternoon. if we didn‘t answer your question, there will be more guidance coming out later today. and i‘m sure we will be answering questions tomorrow as well. new rules are on the way for those flying into the uk — passengers landing here from anywhere other than the republic of ireland and france will soon face a period of quarantine. sean‘s looking at what this will mean for our holiday plans and the air industry overall.

he‘s talking to the boss of manchester airport about this. good morning to you both, we have heard on breakfast about the concerns of the aviation industry, social distancing being impossible on flights and in airports. and we are hearing bosses of airports pressing concerns over what they called a 1a day quarantine plan for those arriving into the uk. heathrow airport this morning saying the british business will be stuck in third year until we can fly more freely again. and i got the boss of manchester stansted freely again. and i got the boss of manchester sta nsted east midlands airport. charlie cornish, good morning to you. good morning, sean. what you feel about these quarantine measures being put in by the uk government? well, at this stage we still need to see the detail on what

the quarantine measures actually mean and where the exemptions are actually setting. ultimately, quarantine. flights and passengers choosing to fly. —— quarantine shall stop flights and passengers choosing to fly. so how we actually get travel back to normal levels, aviation is such an important part of the uk economy, there are over1 millionjobs at of the uk economy, there are over1 million jobs at stake. certainly we wa nt million jobs at stake. certainly we want the government to work with industry and european counterparts to put the right opening procedures in place to allow people to fly.” time—limited, and you have an idea of how long these quarantine measures may be put in place for? —— by time—limited. measures may be put in place for? —— by time-limited. there is no detail yet, but hopefully we get more detail this week. ultimately we will be hoping the operation procedures potentially involving gloves, masks,

equally new technology, will allow restrictions to be lifted. you say that you don‘t expect people to be flying and airlines to fly those planes. for those people that have holiday plans this summer where they intended in a few months was time to fly abroad and fly back, would you know expect that to just be off the table for everybody? no, i think it‘s too early to make that call. as isaid, the it‘s too early to make that call. as i said, the government hasn‘t confirmed the duration of the quarantine, and equally working with the department for transport, the industry is looking at a restart and recovery programme which will involve new procedures, new protocols, which should hopefully allow some of the travel restrictions to be lifted. even if those travel restrictions are lifted, do these measures damage the confidence of consumers further in the months to come, do you think?

well, i think it‘s inevitable that consumers will be confused by the message. they will not be certain as to when they should go on holidays. that is inevitable. and one thing we wa nt that is inevitable. and one thing we want government to do is work with the industry to back quarantine arrangement detailed out and listed as soon as article. you mentioned you wanted more clarity on exemptions. those travelling from france and the republic of ireland into the uk will not face these quarantine restrictions. so, will people read their flights to then fly into manchester airport? that is a consideration. the process is airports have to follow to make those kind of checks, we will then have to implement those processes. at this point in time there is little detail. what about the detail

on your business? how long can you go on for without having to start looking out lang off staff and making bigger cost cuts than you may have originally planned —— laying off staff? i think the whole sector will want a return to normal working as soon as possible. it‘s important the government considers a specific aviation package. at the moment there is a jobs retention scheme, but for my company that is worth less tha n but for my company that is worth less than 5% of the total operation cost, it is welcome, but it is minimalist. we need a wider support package if this is going to go on for a prolonged period of time. so for a prolonged period of time. so for such time as we understand new protocol between travel restrictions, it‘s too early to say whether you actually need to make people redundant. but at this moment in time we are looking much more to the future, much more to work with

the future, much more to work with the government and see how we can get travel back to normal levels. charlie cornish, thank you. chief executive of manchester airports group, which has stansted and east midlands under his watch as well. you can see the desire for detail. we‘re talking about retailers and people going back to work a bit early, that is the aviation industry even though they know quarantine measures are on their way. they can‘t plan ahead probably because they don‘t know how long those measures will be in place for. it‘s one of those days, sean, when we seem to have more questions than a nswe rs seem to have more questions than answers at this point. thank you very much, though. it is nine minutes to eight o‘clock. nicola sturgeon will be here at 8:30am this morning. when our next guest found out she had coronavirus when she was 36 weeks pregnant, she feared the worst. medics at the royal free london hospital had to carry out an emergency caesarean, the first they‘d ever attempted on a patient with covid—19. her husband wasn‘t allowed to be at the birth —

but here‘s the moment he met his new daughter. crying baby crying sabina‘s baby will not automatically be tested for the virus. but she will be closely monitored before being discharged home. happy birthday! laughter were going amazingly fine, i could never imagine they would be a day like this. i couldn't be happier. i can see them now. i can be with my wife and my baby girl. it's amazing.

0h, oh, we are pleased to say sabina and her gorgeous baby go mr are with us now. it‘s lovely to see you smiling, by the way, and also consultant obstetrician maggie blott, who is with her now. you have a beautiful baby girl. but you knew you had covid—19 and you were 36 weeks pregnant, it must have been a very tough moment? you were 36 weeks pregnant, it must have been a very tough moment7m was very have been a very tough moment7m was very scary. and at the beginning i‘d didn‘t know how to react. i started crying. and the hardest part was not having anyone there with you, because you‘re not allowed to have visitors, or see other patients. the nurses were amazing. it's patients. the nurses were amazing. it‘s august through the residual from your point of view. it was the first time you delivered a covid baby. i imagine the use of

protective equipment must have been very different to what you normally do? very different indeed. and it was our first case. we had do? very different indeed. and it was ourfirst case. we had been practising, actually. we ran to chew simulations —— simulations where there was a pregnancy with a covid patient. we made the decision to deliver sabina because she was getting sicker and it was a big decision to be made. obviously nobody wants to deliver a baby with the risk of getting them sick, but we decided to, and with thick, heavy visors in front of our faces. sabina was sick and we were worried she may need to have a general anaesthetic, which puts healthcare workers at increased risk, so we have the whole tea m increased risk, so we have the whole

team dressed in ppe. we have pictures of the team there. ppe is incredibly important but it makes yourjob difficult. how difficult is it to communicate with it? it's difficult in many ways. it‘s very heart, and hospitals are warm places a nyway heart, and hospitals are warm places anyway because of operating lights stuff we were big masks over our faces in what became clear very quickly was we couldn‘t hear each other. the mouse model is the sound when you are talking so much. we had to start shouting, which is unnerving. when you can hear yourself shouting and you are operating, and it‘s so hot, communication is so important in those situations. so we had to raise our voices and talk loudly, which adds increased stress to the procedures for the whole team. sabina, it‘s lovely for you and maggie to be on the programme today. how do you deal with the emotion of not having to go through the birth process but also not having your husband there and also having

maggie, who has done this amazing job of delivering this little bundle of joy you job of delivering this little bundle ofjoy you are carrying? as i said before, having the virus, you‘re not really... the most important thing is you get better and i was focusing on that. i wasn‘t really, i mean, is you get better and i was focusing on that. iwasn‘t really, i mean, i was sad because my husband couldn‘t be there, but i was completely focusing on getting better. and i was worried about the baby. when she told me she was fine, and after this procedure, i got really well. my oxygen levels were 100%. i guess that helped. and my husband was allowed to stay with me after i gave birth and am very grateful for that. so, ithink birth and am very grateful for that. so, i think that got me through it. and doctor maggie blott, there is so little known about this disease in many ways where you concerned her

baby, mr, might have covid—19 as well? we don't really understand the transmission from mother to baby. we think there is a very small risk that the mother can pass the virus to the baby inside the womb, but the majority of transmissions from mother to baby seems to be after birth, so, transition like anybody else. so we made the decision to keep mother and baby together as long as both are well, and then take hygiene precautions, asking the mother to wear a mask when feeding her baby, washing hands before and afterwards and the usual precautions. we thought it was more important to keep the mother and baby together, because the risk to the baby from the virus is small, as far as we the baby from the virus is small, as faras we can the baby from the virus is small, as far as we can sell. i think baby emma has been passed off to dad stop —— as faras

emma has been passed off to dad stop —— as far as we can tell. what would your message be to the team?” —— as far as we can tell. what would your message be to the team? i would like to say an amazing thank you to all of the staff that took care of me. they were incredibly amazing. they were very kind and gentle and they kept reassuring me the whole time that they didn‘t mind looking after me, that they weren‘t worried, and it‘s thanks to them i‘m alive today and that i‘m here and i can pass this message on to you guys. so thank you so, so much. maggie, you are amazing. thank you so much. that‘s wonderful. thank you very much indeed. emma looks absolutely gorgeous. i think she has with her dad now. lovely to speak to you both stop hospital special: fighting covid—19, is on tonight and tomorrow on bbc 2 at 9pm. it is coming up to 8am, matt has a look at the morning‘s weather. good

morning. good morning to you both as well. a lovely start this morning as you can see behind me, but a definite chill in the air. a cold start for many. it will be dry with sunny spells for most but a few showers dotted around in eastern pa rt showers dotted around in eastern part of the country. in eastern england you can see in the satellite imagery the speckled nature of the cloud. those are shower clouds rolling their way as far west as the pennines across northern england. only a few showers into the afternoon, most places will stay dry. showers like during the second half of the day across the second —— northern half of scotland. sunniest of all for the second half of the day. but it‘s here across the channel islands where we will see winds gust a0—50 miles an hour, that will take the edge off things, make it feel colder, 11— 13 celsius. single digit temperatures further north and east. and in scotland and

the far north, one or two drifting showers towards the isle of man, wales, north—west england, but most places will stay dry. frost is more likely across the southern half of the country this time because of this little ridge of high pressure starting to build in. it‘s not enough across the north with tuesday, this front will bring an increased chance of showers across scotla nd increased chance of showers across scotland on tuesday. north—west ireland, north—west england and north—west wales as well. the bulk of the showers will be wintry through the day on tuesday. the temperature increases throughout the afternoon, temperatures on the low side, but gradually increasing throughout the week. you‘re watching bbc breakfast. good morning, welcome to breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin. our headlines today... borisjohnson outlines a gradual easing of the lockdown in england, but there‘s a warning that things could change if the

infection rate goes up. if there are problems, we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. we‘ve been through the initial peak, but it‘s coming down the mountain that is often more dangerous. we‘ll be allowed to spend more time outdoors and some workplaces and schools could re—open, although most of the measures won‘t apply to scotland, wales and northern ireland. more people who can‘t work from home are being encouraged to return to work today, some shops may be able to open next month, but can businesses do all this safely? more exercise, and more sport. golf, tennis, and fishing will be allowed in england from wednesday, as long as social distancing rules are followed, but you can only play with someone from your household. it‘s monday 11th may. our top story... the prime minister has outlined measures to start a very gradual easing of the lockdown in england.

in a televised address he said the government‘s message will change from stay at home to stay alert. but the message won‘t change in scotland, wales and northern ireland. borisjohnson also said anyone who can‘t work from home should return to work from today but to avoid public transport if possible. from 1stjune, primary schools in england could see a partial reopening starting in reception, and years 1 and 6. there are no plans for a full return of secondary schools before september but pupils facing exams next year may get some time with their teachers before the summer. people will also be allowed unlimited outdoor exercise from wednesday and the bbc has been told that you will also be able to meet one person from outside your own household in a park as long as you stay two metres apart. from july at the earliest, some cafes and other public places might be re—opened. the government will issue 50 pages of guidance on the new measures at two o‘clock this afternoon.

this is not the time simply to end the lockdown this week. instead, we‘re taking the first careful steps to modify our measures. and the first step is a change of emphasis, that we hope that people will act on this week. we said that you should work from home if you can, and only go to work if you must. we now need to stress that anyone who can‘t work from home, for instance, those in construction or manufacturing, should be actively encouraged to go to work. and we want it to be safe for you to get to work. so you should avoid public transport if at all possible. because we must and will maintain social distancing, and capacity will therefore be limited. the prime minister‘s new stay alert slogan isn‘t being adopted

across the four nations, with scotland, northern ireland and wales all sticking with the stay at home message. my message right now if you‘re living in scotland is, apart from these essential reasons to leave your home, please continue to stay at home. we are making progress, we‘re making real progress, but that progress is still fragile, and we don‘t want to send it into reverse by prematurely lifting these instructions. here in wales, we will change the regulations so people can exercise more often and allow garden centres to open if they can comply with social distancing regulations. our advice has not changed in wales. wherever you can, you should stay at home. our political correspondentjessica parker joins from westminster. we know many people would have watched the prime minister last night and we also know there will be

more detail at two o‘clock this afternoon, and people really want to know exactly what it all means, don‘t they? know exactly what it all means, don't they? yes, 50 pages of detail is set to be released at two o‘clock today, confirmed on bbc breakfast a short while ago. not only that, later in the afternoon, around half past three, we expect borisjohnson, the prime minister, to stand up in the prime minister, to stand up in the house of commons, and make a statement and take questions from mps. there are as we have been reflecting this morning a lot of questions from what the prime minister said last night. people wa nt to minister said last night. people want to know, i am supposed to be returning to work, and if i am, how ami returning to work, and if i am, how am i getting there, if i am supposed to be avoiding public transport? and also this issue in terms of how, later in the week, who you might be able to meet up with out and about. that is something you put two dominic raab, the first secretary of state, a moment ago. if you're out in the park and you're two metres apart, we're saying now, and you use

some common sense and you socially distance, you can meet up with other people. the key thing is, people wa nt people. the key thing is, people want to get outdoors partly with this weather, particularly for mental health and the frustration people feel if they are cooked up for too long, we want to make sure that people can enjoy the outdoors more. but people must stay alert. what about the question of how many people? mark says, can i meet my mum in the morning and my dad in the afternoon? outside, in the outdoors, staying two metres apart, yes. now, i sought some clarity on that last point. you could, as dan was asking there, meet your mum in the morning in the park, meet your dad in the afternoon, as long as you stay two metres apart. you could not go round to their house and meet them in the garden because that would be seen as mixing households, although dominic rab did say that they are asking the scientists to look at that particular issue going forward. a few other points that he clarified on bbc breakfast this morning, in terms of driving where you want to

90, terms of driving where you want to go, you can go as far as you want to go, you can go as far as you want to go for a walk but you have to respect social distancing rules, so if you want to go to a beauty spot that you like, you can do that, but you also have to be mindful of the fa ct you also have to be mindful of the fact that there are now different rules in different parts of the uk. on transport, as i was mentioning before, in terms of getting to work, we expect more guidance over the next couple of days, and the advice asi next couple of days, and the advice as i understand it will apply from wednesday. i think what the government is trying to suggest that they are not telling people to go back to work right away, they are encouraging people, they have been talking with businesses for weeks, but there has been criticism following the statement last night that there was a lack of clarity and a call for more detail. we are getting some this morning and we should get more later today. thousands of you have been in touch with us with questions about the prime minister‘s speech. we‘ll be hopefully getting some answers for you throughout the morning.

still to come — we‘ll be talking to scotland‘s first minister nicola sturgeon at 08.30. we‘ve also got the mayor of greater manchester and the london mayor, sadiq khan, who will bejoining us. the prime minister also said those who couldn‘t work from home should be actively encouraged to go to work. but he told people to avoid using public transport where possible. keith doyle is at kings cross station in london this morning. we should say this is specifically an issue for england, because the rules are different in scotland, wales and northern ireland, but lots of people, considering going back to work today, but i suppose, the question is about public transport today? yes, well, indeed, this is king‘s cross station at what would normally be rush—hour on a monday morning, but as you can see, this is not rush—hour at all. the prime minister was pretty clear last night, he said people who can‘t work

from home should be actively encouraged to go back to work, pointing out that manufacturing and construction industries, for instance, should be encouraged to go back to work. but he said people should not use public transport, he said they should drive or walk or use bicycles. but clearly, for many people, that is simply not an option. capacity on public transport has been reduced, as demand was reduced, but that is likely to change. but even so, the question is, how is social distancing going to be maintained on public transport? we saw at the start of the lockdown those pictures of crammed tube trains and other trains and unions are really worried that thatis and unions are really worried that that is going to be repeated. the tuc general secretary, frances o‘grady, called for more guidance on how people are going to be kept safe, saying this statement will cause workers confusion and anxiety. and len mccluskey, general secretary of the unite union, said people cannot get to work safely unless there is a safe public transport. he

said the risk is that this morning, workers will be cramming onto public transport, putting lives at risk. we understand there is going to be more guidance given later today and boris johnson is going to be answering questions in the commons. people will be aware of those who want to get back to work, how they are going to be able to use public transport, and how they are going to be able to use it safely. let‘s take a look at central london now and see if there are any signs commuters have headed back to work. that may be quite a difference to

the past monday mornings over the past seven weeks or so. although i have not seen the helicopter shots. more now on our main story, and borisjohnson has laid out the "first careful steps" of easing the lockdown in england, as part of a three—phase plan to get back to normal life. so, how did the proposed changes go down with the public? breakfast‘s graham satchell has been getting some reaction. it is now almost two months since the people of this country began to put up with restrictions on theirfreedoms... in sitting rooms across the united kingdom, people gathered last night in their millions to watch the prime minister. and you have shown the good sense to support those rules overwhelmingly. ok, right, everyone know what they're doing? charlotte has been locked down with her three children and her parents, both in their 70s.

i thought boris's speech was a little vague. for me as a mum and the owner of a nursery, it sort of like quite a lot of clarity. i suppose i was a little disappointed because i wanted a few more clear guidelines to work with. charlotte has been homeschooling her three children. she wants things to get back to normal but worries, if her children do go back to school, they may spread the virus. and she is confused by the new message in england — not stay at home but stay alert. even my 11—year—old said, what does that mean, mummy? because it was all clear, we just stay at home, we keep saying, that is a very clear message. and now he was saying, so, we canjust go out to? and i said, no, you can only go out if you have to work, and if it is safe. and they have a perplexed eyebrow, and i think we are the same. it is thanks to your

effort and sacrifice... james was watching the speech in liverpool. he runs three restaurants, employs 50 people. we will hope to reopen at least some of the hospitality industry and other public places, provided they are safe and enforce social distancing. this is a promotional video for one of james‘s restaurants on albert dock in liverpool. reopening safely will be a huge challenge. the amount of space in kitchens, and washrooms, splash rooms, bathrooms, it's minimal. so, the safe working conditions of problem conditions problem is not going to go away, and many, many sites are just not suitable for opening with social distancing. so, work from home if you can, but you should go to work if you can‘t work from home. this part of last night‘s speech urging people back to work

to work alarmed priti, who works in a large office in canary wharf and would normally get the tube. will you be going to work this morning? no, i will not be going to work this morning! it is very hard at rush—hour to maintain a two metre distance, people are normally nose to nose on the tube, newspaper to newspaper in the face on the tube, there is no vaccine, this virus is still out there. we will be driven not by mere hope... preity is particularly worried by studies showing a higher death rate for people of a minority ethnic background. as a british asian, i know people that have passed u nfortu nately know people that have passed unfortunately due to covid—19, and they are from an asian background like myself. there needs to be a higher protection for people who are more at risk. by this experience, i believe we can be stronger and better. the prime minister was very careful to say last night that there could only be serious changes in

england if the infection rate comes down and stays down. but his speech seems to have left many confused, with more questions than answers. graham satchell, bbc news. a senior police officer who spent more than three weeks in hospital with coronavirus said he is "very disturbed" at some people‘s attitude to lockdown. chief superintendent phil dolby, of west midlands police, is now recovering at home but says the virus almost killed him. as some restrictions are lifted in england, he‘s reminding people to stay vigilant. we‘ll speak to phil in a moment, but first, let‘s see the moment he was finally able to leave hospital. cheering. you have the honour of ringing the bell as you leave this ward. cheering. 0h! i just...

i just want to say, you‘ve notjust cared for me. you‘re filled with passion, what you‘re doing is brilliant. and you saved my life. whay— hay! and i‘m going back to my family. cheering. chief superintendent dolby joins us now, along with senior sister cassie broughton, who looked after him in hospital. well, good morning, both, thank you very much forjoining us. phil, you‘re at home, let‘s see how you are at the moment? good morning, my voice is a bit more steady than it was then. thank you very much. it is a slow and steady road. it‘s been a massive impact physically, there‘s certainly some mental issues to work

through as well, quite traumatic, but also coming back and understanding, for the month that i was away from home, exactly what my wife and children went through as well. so, we‘re wrapped up together and staying in, trying to recapture ourselves as a family and it a special time for us. cathy, what was it like for you watching that video back bearing in mind that i think phil was on a ventilator for 13 days, and he was clearly very ill during his time in hospital? he was, it's really emotional, and emotional for the team as well, when they watch the video back on the social media. because we're so happy that video making a difference to these patients. we got phil home and he's one of many. so, yeah, we feel we've achieved something. cathy, we're just seen pictures of him in hospital. having a visit from people outside the window, that has got to be pretty emotional? yeah, it was

emotional, very. yeah, the first picture, the staff were fantastic, although i was unconscious in coma, they allowed my wife to have a zoom call, and in that cold, she said, you‘ve got a week to get better because it‘s my birthday in a week, and on her birthday, i started to breathe again. so i did as i was told. the second one was, not being allowed visitors, they were brilliant, i had a groundfloor room so my wife and kids came to the window end it was the first time we had all seen each other so it very special. it must have been an incredible moment for you and we‘re really glad you‘re back at home and getting better. you‘ve spoken to us with your patient hat on, what about with your patient hat on, what about with your patient hat on, what about with your police officer hat on, going through what you have, has that reinforced the importance of some of those measures that everybody is experiencing at the moment? i can't impress enoughjust

how concerned i come in my family are, i imagine other people in my situation might be, to see, i think, even before what the prime minister said, but certainly afterwards, the importance of social distancing and the vigilance we need around our cleanliness and our responsibility to look after each other, is still so, so important. iam to look after each other, is still so, so important. i am a5, i‘ve got no real health issues, and it nearly killed me. and my family nearly lost me. and the reason i put that picture out and have done a bit of work on social media isn‘t to preach to anyone, it‘s just a reminder to all of us to take this seriously. when you see queues of cars going to the beach at the weekend or in parks or whatever, it worries me that we are starting to relax, when really, nothing‘s change, nothing‘s gone away. there are still people dying and we need to remain vigilant. my family and! and we need to remain vigilant. my

family and i have decided that whatever happens policy —wise, the lack of evidence, and even if the world health organization, around immunity, they are really unclear on that, so we are going to stay shielding in our home, which is tough on the kids but it‘s the decision we‘ve made as a family. and i‘m just asking people to remain vigilant and stay in this together, really. cassie, not just vigilant and stay in this together, really. cassie, notjust with phil, but you see the devastating impact this can have on people, just to his point, what do you make when you see people perhaps too close together, perhaps in parks together? it's quite worrying and it fills me with dread, because it has any impact on my team in the hospital, and every nurse and doctor in the uk, because ultimately, that is going to have an impact on us. so, it's devastating, really. it fills me with dread. really appreciate your time this morning, cassie, thank you very much

for the work that you and your collea g u es for the work that you and your colleagues continue to do in saving people like phil and many others, and phil, great to see you at home, looking a bit better than we saw you in hospital, and i hope that the next few days are great for you and yourfamily. next few days are great for you and your family. thank you. and from me, to all at the royal hospital, they‘re all absolute heroes, thank you. in last night‘s address, the prime minister said it would soon be time to make people arriving at ports and airports self—isolate, but downing street later said those coming from france and the republic of ireland would be exempt. that‘s likely to make things even more difficult for the beleagured aviation industry. there‘ll also be changes in departure terminals. our correspondent dan johnson is at manchester airport. what is going to be happening there today? good morning. well, this is the first stage in a trial and these are the first things that they are

expecting, hoping, that you will turn up to the airport wearing gloves and some kind of face covering. but if you don‘t turn up with your own, don‘t worry, they will be provided. why don‘t we first avoid just have a look at check—in here at manchester, terminal one, this morning. normally this would be heaving with crowds of people checking in. absolutely deserted this morning, just a few cleaners around. very, very quiet in terms of passengers, only one check—in desk open. you can see the departure board, not a lot going on up there today. not many flights leaving here at all. passenger numbers really are down. this is the new procedure, the new age to go through. everybody is now priority, fast track. you can see the yellow signs on the floor, reminding you to keep your distance. there‘s loads of signage here. before going through security, this is where you can pick up a mask and gloves. and that is what they are

asking you to wear in the airport. this is a trial that was launched at the end of last week by manchester airports group, which includes sta nsted and east airports group, which includes stansted and east midlands. they are asking that you wear those while you are the airport. but then we know that airlines perhaps are going to have different rules on what you need to wear actually on the plane and what there will be in terms of social distancing on board. so, this is about what happens in the airport. you will get gloves and a mask and then it is time for a temperature check, james has been keeping an eye on me all morning. 36.0,! keeping an eye on me all morning. 36.0, ithink keeping an eye on me all morning. 36.0, i think that is fit to fly? all good. i can go off somewhere nice, hopefully, before too long anyway. but not many people flying at all. this isjust anyway. but not many people flying at all. this is just a trial at the moment, but the hope is that if they can moment, but the hope is that if they ca n prove moment, but the hope is that if they can prove this works, then they can start getting more people into airports and at least make the case

for getting more planes in the air. enormously different to what it normally looks like, but what about arrivals, because we had information on that from the prime minister last night? absolutely, this is only one of the terminals in manchester, the others are completely closed. and things are going to be different at arrivals as well, because we know that the government has announced there will be quarantine of a two—week period for people arriving from all countries apart from ireland and france, they announced last night. so, that will be a big change for people coming in. exactly how that is policed and checked, whether it is border force who are going to remind you when you arrive, there are still questions to be a nswered there are still questions to be answered about that. the expectation is that people will have to isolate themselves effectively, that passengers will be in charge of policing that. some things have got

simpler through the airport, there is no duty free, there is no question about whether to have the big fry up with a point, because everything in the airport is closed this morning. and i‘ve got to say wearing this mask is a bit tricky trying to keep them on especially when you‘re jabbering away like i am this morning. if you were watching the prime minister last night, you will have heard him talk about trying to get some people back to work, and to use bikes and cars and to walk into work if possible. this is an aerial shot, near wapping, we hear. we will speak to the mayor of london, sadiq khan, in about 20 minutes. and the mayor of

manchester, andy burnham, will be here. and there are differences all across the uk, so we will get more information on that in the next few minutes. and differences in the temperature, what‘s going on, matt? two seasons played out yesterday afternoon, as the last dregs of the early summer weather continued. but the colder air was already in place just 100 miles up the road in bristol. a widespread frost, now starting to lift away, temperatures still down in low single figures for many. for many, it will be a dry day after that chilly start. most will see sunshine today, just a small chance of one or two showers. on the

satellite, you can see these speckled clouds coming into the eastern half of england. this is where the showers are most likely this morning. away from that, most staying dry throughout the day. in the south and east of the country, the south and east of the country, the winds will be quite strong again, which will make it feel colder than these numbers would suggest. 10 degrees cooler than yesterday in plymouth. finishing the day with some showers in the north of scotla nd day with some showers in the north of scotland a few more showers overnight. tonight, some of the cold est overnight. tonight, some of the coldest conditions will be in the southern half of the country, where winds start to fall a bit lighter. further north, whilst high pressure

is trying to build in, a weather system just coming down from the north will introduce another surge of cold air across scotland on tuesday and wednesday. on tuesday, more showers across scotland. another batch pushing down across the mainland, turning to sleet and snow later in the day. for much of england and wales, isolated showers, best of the sunshine in the morning. still got some frosty nights to come for the rest of the week butjust a selection of cities to give you a flavour of this week. whilst we will see a bit of rain at times, particularly across parts of scotla nd particularly across parts of scotland and eastern england, there will be a lot of dry weather again this week. so, gardeners and growers , this week. so, gardeners and growers, not much rain in the forecast. for england and wales, the greater chance of some longer sunny

spells, and the temperatures will start to rise later in the week back to levels we normally expect at this time of year, getting close to 20 celsius next weekend across the south. hello, this is breakfast with dan walker and louise minchin it is fast approaching 8:30am. some of the main stories this morning. some primary school pupils in england could be back in the classroom byjune1st, as part of the government‘s phased return to school. in his televised address to the nation last night, boris johnson said pupils in reception, year! and year 6 could go back first. breakfast‘s jayne mccubbin has been to a primary school in merseyside to see whether parents and pupils feel ready to return. this is a small slice of st elizabeth‘s primary school in merseyside. we miss them all. we hope in many ways that we see them, however obviously we hope it‘s safe for them to come back.

and there‘s the rub. is it the right time to get back to class? when will the government ring the school bell? alexis says now, linda says no. yes, i won‘t to go back. i'm really excited. it's too soon. lindsay and dean want this over, but it‘s complicated. are you bored? yeah, iam. to tea rs ? yes. i've got mixed feelings. he's got asthma. i really want to be sure he's safe to go back. if you had that certainty, you‘d be springing on? getting him out of the house. yes, definitely, yeah. while lindsay‘s worried about her son‘s health, tony is worried about the health of other vulnerable family members. my parents are going to have take them to school and they are going to be outside the school gathering so it‘s not really going to contain the virus, is it? if the government says it‘s time for year 6 to go back, do you think you might take the decision then to go, "no, i‘m keeping him home." yeah, i‘d probably not let him go back to school. alicia has barely

missed a school day. her mum is a carer so she is one of only 15 kids who have still been going to school every week and she‘s struggling. you are really missing your best mate, aren‘t you? i want to give her a big hug and say i miss you. she's been she's been getting really upset at times. the government might say we're going to slowly phase this in, maybe year 6 first of all. well, her school has two year 6 classes, so that's near enough 60 children going back to school all at once. almost all the parents i met felt a long way from confident about the idea of sending kids back into st elizabeth‘s playground long before the end of this school year. head teacher mr daniels wants clarity. the longer period of time we get to prepare, the better. june 1 is a date that is kind of being thrown around. it does seem like a very short timescale to get things back to normal, but we will see. most children might be itching to get back, but not all. leo is super aware of the virus which has changed his world. it‘s like when we go back to school

and things start to change, it will be a bit weird because you don‘t want to get distracted about it because you don‘t want to bring home an infection. you are saying, leo, the time isn‘t now, but dad...? i think the time possibly, if it's not now, it's not far away. if you're a child and your parents are both shielded, you could be a carrier, you don't want to take it home. that child can possibly be exempt but for those who aren't that situation, i feel as though we should move towards the education because they need to get prepared for what's coming up next in theirlife. every family wants what is best for their kids. that means different things to different people. it‘s the homeschooling, isn‘t it? we‘re enjoying it, aren‘t we? well, a bit. what, enjoying it? i do really want to do my sats. no, he does, don‘t you — just to see how clever you really are. because i actually want someone who's actually professional to, like, teach me. by the way, he's not. lleyton is going to have to wait

until at leastjune 1 for that, with guidance to schools in england out later. in scotland, wales and northern ireland, parents will stay in the homeschooling hot seat for some weeks to come. jayne mccubbin, bbc news. cheeky lad, keeping his dad on his toes! more people who can‘t work from home are being encouraged to return to work today, but sean‘s looking at who can re—open and when. good morning to you. there are a few things that may be called the ears are business people, running businesses of workers who are not in work at the moment. in the prime minister ‘s statement last night. we‘ve been talking about those workers who are being encouraged to go into work. but also the phased reopening of shops in england, the prime minister was saying, that may well happen next month injune. lots of ifs and buts around but does it actually help businesses prepare for the weeks ahead ? actually help businesses prepare for the weeks ahead? when they have a little bit more of an idea of the

government ‘s thinking. fran bishop is with me, she owns a chain of clothes shops across yorkshire and the midlands. good morning. good morning. make much difference to you hearing the words aboutjune and july and potential phrasing of reopening? you know, they say it's more clarity, if anything it's more questions. the prime minister last night used this raise covid 19 secure business but what does this mean? we are facing another day, week, month of uncertainty, and questions. covid 19 secure is a term we might hear more and more of but businesses like mine need to know exactly what that means. the safety of our employees is absolutely paramount and the safety of the public and that the minute i don't know how to offer that. you've got a lot of staff on furlough at the minute, your stores are closed, you can do business online but are you thinking we may well be open in june? i have taken the decision as a business owner to open when i feel

it's safe to do so, i have a responsibility to the people i employ to make sure i can secure in a ppe and businesses around the country are going to face the question of where that supply chain will come from, how can we get it and can be get it to our employees safely and that is the question, people are coming into my stores and i need to make sure they are a risk free zone. at the minute, i cannot see that we will be able to do that byjune because see that we will be able to do that by june because we've see that we will be able to do that byjune because we've had simply no guidance, simply a ten minute speech from the prime minister that says, byjennifer's, your store from the prime minister that says, by jennifer's, your store can reopen, but how? we expect more detail later today. —— byjune the 1st. then as the prime minister was talking about and businesses are expecting more guidance over the course of the week so i guess we will wait and see but you have a decision to make, if you have safety in place you still need people to wa nt to in place you still need people to want to come into your shop and buy stuff. are you weighing up whether to keep your staff on furlough until the end ofjune which is when the government says they will continue to subsidise 80% of salaries versus

bringing them back in and maybe not selling enough stock to be able to pay their wages? yes, absolutely, massive question for me. if we look at other countries that have open retail stores, it's a no—brainer, fruitful is down, people are not spending money. this is going to be a crisis for the high street, i think we are only seeing the beginning, a server this morning said retail occupancy is falling and this isjust the start said retail occupancy is falling and this is just the start and said retail occupancy is falling and this isjust the start and at said retail occupancy is falling and this is just the start and at the minute, ican this is just the start and at the minute, i can see howl this is just the start and at the minute, i can see how i could open all my stores in one go, to be realistic, it's going to have to be a phased reopening. we are going to have to keep staff on furlough until i feel it safe and you know, proper to do so. can we talk about your staff a little bit? everybody has a real live at home that they are managing as well is thinking when am i going to be going back to work? will it be safe enough for me? do they have other things on their plate that you realise, it‘s not just about what you do in your store ? just about what you do in your store? it‘s their families, just about what you do in your store? it‘s theirfamilies, their childcare, theirfinances,

store? it‘s theirfamilies, their childcare, their finances, all of these things. what are you hearing from them? you know, it's a massive concern from them, the majority of my colleagues are all mothers, they will have childcare issues, if few are ringing me up and saying i need to go back to work financially because none of us know how long this furlough scheme will happen for. if schools are reopening, obviously, if they are not, nurseries, childminders, will they reopen? they cannot bring their children to work because it simply not safe to do so at the moment. we have to work together and that something i and they are mindful of. they are in a state of panic as much as we are. a lot for people to be thinking about. fran bishop, thank you. a long list of things that workers and business owners are trying to deal with. thank you. lots to digest this morning. thank you for being with us on bbc breakfast. we are here until 9am this morning. the prime minister has outlined measures to start a very gradual easing

of the lockdown in england. in a televised address he said the government‘s message in england will change from "stay at home" — to "stay alert". but the message won‘t change in scotland, wales and northern ireland. let‘s speak now to scotland‘s first minster nicola sturgeon. good morning tea and thank you very much forjoining us. we heard from dominic raab on this programme about an hourorso ago dominic raab on this programme about an hour or so ago and he said we need to find a way out, we need to change the message. that‘s why he says the message in england has been changed but you are not changing it. why not? can i make a point that i think is really important, first of all, it's not a political point point of law. the lockdown restrictions are in place separately in each of of the uk nations, we have a legal duty to assess these on an ongoing basis and reach judgements about what is the best message. my judgement right judgements about what is the best message. myjudgement right now for scotland is the state of the virus makes it still much too early to lift any of these restrictions, we are making progress but it's very fragile. we have a r number that is

hovering quite close to one, it might be a bit higher than in other parts of the uk so we must tear in the side of caution. the advice to scotland right now for me a stay at home, except for essential purposes, of essential work, shopping for food and medicine, exercise, which you can now do more than once a day but other than these reasons, the advice is still to stay at home because we must further suppress the virus so when we do start to ease restrictions, which we are all desperate to do, we will not see a rapid resurgence of the virus and running out of control again with many more lives potentially lost. what is the r value in scotland at the moment? the estimate, i should say, at the outset, there is a lot of uncertainty in these estimates in all countries but the estimate in scotland as its between not .7 and one and we cannot be sure it's not closer to one than 0.7. there is also an indication it may be slightly higher in scotland than in other parts of the uk which would

make some sense because our first cases were later and so we might be ata cases were later and so we might be at a slightly earlier stage of the infection curve. all of that says to me we need to apply great caution and take great care. i as anybody to get us back to as much normality as possible as quickly as possible but ido possible as quickly as possible but i do not want to risk the progress we have made by doing that. we are in the situation of having to apply strict restrictions because we acted too quickly and took too many risks. we also spoke to dominic raab and he says we are confident based on the uk wide advice and the roadmap we are setting out what we are doing the right thing at the right time but you are really concerned that thatis but you are really concerned that that is not the case from your point of view? i don't think to move more quickly would be right in scotland. i'm not here to criticise or gainsay orundermine i'm not here to criticise or gainsay or undermine the messages that the prime minister wants to give england because he has to make difficult

judgements in the same way that i do and notwithstanding that, we should continue to try to coordinate our messaging as much as possible but my responsibility is to take the decisions i think are right for scotland, to be careful and cautious in the changes we make. we will be considering further changes over the course of the days and weeks to come, we are talking to different sectors of the economy to see how we can safely get businesses back to work and all of us want to see our families as soon as possible but the worst thing we could do right now is act too quickly so that the virus runs out of control and we end up in lockdown for longer. these are difficult decisions for all of us. there is no certainty in it, they are complex judgements but there is no certainty in it, they are complexjudgements but the priority, in my view, must be to prioritise the protection of the public and to stop people dying unnecessarily because every single human life is precious. one of the things we did get a bit of clarity this morning on from dominic raab was about when you might be able to meet members of your family and if you listen with us. if you are out

in the park and you are two metres apart, we are seeing now, use some common sense, you socially distance, you can't meet up with other people. the key thing is people want to get outdoors. —— the key thing is people want to get outdoors. — — you the key thing is people want to get outdoors. —— you can meet up. frankly, the frustration people feel if they are cooked up too long for protracted periods, we want to make sure people can enjoy the outdoors more but people must stay alert. what about the question of how many people, marked for example says can i meet my mum in the morning and my dad in the afternoon? outside, in the outdoors, staying two metres apart, yes. ok, i'm not sure if you are able to hear that but he‘s saying he would be able to meet your mum in the morning, your dad in the afternoon in a park et cetera, two metres apart, what about if you live in scotland, your parents live in england, can you do that? the advice in scotland hasn't changed and if you are outside exercising the advice is to stay on your own household group or on your own, but

to stay two metres apart from anybody in other households when you're out, that's the same advice we gave you last week, it's the advice we have given you and will give you this week, we are keeping that under review, i haven't seen the detail of what the prime minister will outline in the document he will publish later today so beyond what ijust heard dominic raab say i'm not sure exactly what extent they are changing the guidance around that. myjob is to be as clear as i can people in scotland in the guidance, i made one change to the guidance yesterday which is to say up until now, going outside for exercise was limited to once a day, that once a day limit has been removed but you must still stay two metres people outside your own household when you're out, we are not encouraging people to meet up are not encouraging people to meet up more with others. but to stick to the rules as they have been for a bit longer. so we can get this far is down and then be able to start easing restrictions on a more meaningful way. all of us are desperate to see our families again

but particularly with older relatives, we got to take great care in that because we know this virus is particularly harmful to people in the older population. just to be clear, what would you say to somebody who lives in scotland, wa nts to somebody who lives in scotland, wants to go and see a relative in england? to see a relative i wouldn't advise anybody in travel —— scotland to travel to england or vice versa, we are asking people to stay at home, that is the foundation of the advice we are giving, unless you are leaving home for essential purposes, which is essential work that you can't do from home, shopping for food or medicine or exercise, in the vicinity of your own home. the advice is to stay at home and it's really important the clarity of that message is there for people. all leaders in all governments worldwide right now are asking the population to do things that are highly restrictive and the duty on us is to be as clear as possible, not to muddy the water, not to mix the messages but to be

clear. and to be clear why we are asking people to do that. i make no apology for the fact right now i am airing on the side of caution, i would love to say go and see your mum and dad, i would love to go and see my own mum and dad but i must airon the see my own mum and dad but i must air on the side of caution until we have more confidence this virus is under control and we can ease restrictions and keep it under control with a mixture of social distancing and test, trace, isolate. these are difficult judgements distancing and test, trace, isolate. these are difficultjudgements but ones in which we must put the protection of the public to the fore. really briefly, couple of questions from viewers. matthew says i live in scotland, work in england, cani i live in scotland, work in england, can i go back to work? my advice is to stay at home, if you are living in scotland, stay at home, unless you work is essential and you cannot do it from home, i'm not encouraging anybody who was not working yesterday to be back at work today. we continue to work with sectors and the economy to get guidance in place that would allow overtime the safe return of businesses but i am not advising anybody today, to go back to work that wasn't working yesterday. yvonne says, will there

be border controls given that england has relaxed rules, will there be border controls for people into scotland ? there be border controls for people into scotland? we don't plant border controls, no. when you are in scotland, and people shouldn't be travelling unnecessarily right now in either direction but when you're in scotland, the law of scotland applies and you should follow the law and the guidance being given by the scottish government. nicola sturgeon, first minister of scotland, thank you very much for your time this morning. ok. it's 8:a6am. this morning, people in england who can work from home are being actively encouraged to return to work. how will that play out in major cities especially when the clear advice is avoid public transport? we will speak to the mayor of greater manchester in a moment. but now let‘s speak now to the mayor of london, sadiq khan. i don‘t know how much of the interview with nicola sturgeon you

could hear there but first, let‘s get your reaction to the message from the prime minister last night, how that is being implemented in london over today and the next few days? i'm quite clear from speaking to the prime minister yesterday that the lockdown has not been lifted stop the social distancing measures are still in place and just to correct something that you said, it‘s not the case that you return to work today in england. what the prime minister said and he will be issuing guidance today are making a further statement to clarify this, is only in construction and one or two other open sectors can you return to work and that‘s only if your place of work is safe and you can travel to and from work safely. the advice as far as i am concerned is to stay at home, because we had a fantastic effort over the last few weeks to try and defeat this virus by following the advice, the worst thing you‘ve got to do is prematurely return to early and have a second spike that overwhelms the nhs. i think are not clarity if we‘ve been talking about a lot

today, part of that was the return today, part of that was the return to work because initially thought that was to return today but now it appears there is a bit more clarity about that being wednesday, dominic raab was saying to us. the issue of not using public transport? out for example with that work in london? evenif example with that work in london? even if we work to run at 100% tubes and buses, we are currently running 85-90% and buses, we are currently running 85—90% buses, 60—65% of the tubes in rush hour, it‘s not possible to adhere to social distancing rules u nless adhere to social distancing rules unless there is about 15% of people only using public transport. on a normal day on the tube we have a million journeys, buses normal day on the tube we have a millionjourneys, buses more than 6 millionjourneys, buses more than 6 million so the key message from the prime minister last night and me todayis prime minister last night and me today is do not use public transport, public transport is therefore essential workers, particularly during rush hour. if you really have to use public transport avoid the rush hour and the guidance from the government today will also say, which i‘ve been lobbying forfor some

today will also say, which i‘ve been lobbying for for some time, if you can‘t adhere to social distancing rules, wearing non—medical facial covering, you don‘t inadvertently spread the virus if you are presymptomatic and asymptomatic and from today, because the guidance has changed, we are offering all our staff these basic facemasks.” changed, we are offering all our staff these basic facemasks. i don't know what time you travelled into work this morning, did it seem busy in london to you? i came from u psta i rs to in london to you? i came from upstairs to downstairs, i‘m at home! speaking to colleagues in tfl, it is a bit busier, the early morning numbers i‘ve got from before 7am have a 10% increase on the tube from today versus last monday but the good news is it‘s still way down on this time last year. it‘s about 9a% down from last year, so the vast majority of londoners have been fantastic, following the advice and guidance. it‘s really important we continue to do that because we are still in lockdown for at least another three weeks. apologies, i

thought you were at work! i imagine the commute from upstairs to downstairs is much easier. can i ask you, in london, you will be aware, as many of our viewers will be, you‘ve also got a lot of large airports under yourjurisdiction. what about this potential airport quarantine of two weeks? i've been calling for stringent controls for some time now and we had the eu rostar some time now and we had the eurostar as well. i‘ve been speaking to colleagues around the world aren‘t speaking to colleagues around the world, one of the things we saw in some places around the world are checking people who came into their country, testing them, tracing them, isolating them, giving them advice months ago to isolate for at least two weeks, that‘s the period within which you could have the virus. this has come late in the day but i‘m pleased it‘s come, it should come as soon as possible. it‘s going to be twinned with test, trace, isolate, we weren‘t doing it in this country up we weren‘t doing it in this country up until the second week of march, for some reason, the government changed that. you got to test,

trace, isolate to grapple with this virus in the community. very quickly, you mention eurostar, isn‘t that going to cause issue with the government reciprocal deal with france about allowing people in? yes, i was surprised by it, the first i heard about it was the media today, this deal with france and i make this point, i‘m somebody who believes, he‘s a european and loves people coming to our city. we‘ve got to be confident of the fact people could be bringing the virus in from overseas. “— could be bringing the virus in from overseas. —— we‘ve got to be cognisant overseas. —— we‘ve got to be cognisa nt of the overseas. —— we‘ve got to be cognisant of the pack. we have measures in our country, our city, but we would kick ourselves, notwithstanding if people brought the virus in from overseas, whether it‘s france, china, india, pakistan, italy. that‘s why it‘s really important that we increase at pace testing, we also test, trace, isolate but also, we have sensible checks with those people coming into our country, whether from france checks with those people coming into our country, whetherfrom france or elsewhere around the world. thank you for your time, good to talk to you. let's talk to the mayor of

manchester, andy burnham who joins us and that question, i think you are probably at home but how is manchester, greater manchester looking today, is it busier? yes, certainly seen more people out and about over the weekend. this is my concern, it feels premature to me to make what are quite substantial changes this morning. i tried to be very constructive with the government throughout this but i'll be honest, i'm struggling with the announcement that's been made. we still see the virus spreading in parts of the north west. we are at the top of that uk league table. and therefore, i feel this is the wrong time to be making these changes. and i will be saying to people in greater manchester today, be very cautious and take time before you make any major changes to your routine. because we are in a different position to london. also the prime minister saying if you don‘t have to, don‘t use public transport, use your own car, walk or

go transport, use your own car, walk or 9° by transport, use your own car, walk or go by bike. can you help greater manchester with that, for example? 0f manchester with that, for example? of course it's difficult. and this is why i say it was rushed because people are being encouraged to return to work today but we haven't been able to do all of the planning and we don't have the guidance about how best to run public transport. is it going to be two metre distancing? that has very big implications for how we manage things and some of that thinking has only been done now. not everybody has a car, of course. so some people will fail in a vulnerable position if they are forced onto public transport without the necessary procedures in place. so i'mjust being the necessary procedures in place. so i'm just being honest, it feels to me as though this hasn't been properly thought through and it's regrettable, i think, properly thought through and it's regrettable, ithink, the properly thought through and it's regrettable, i think, the loss of a single uk message. we have a border with north wales. people it seems are being encouraged to travel again for exercise, how are we going to manage that between the north west of england and north wales? this is,

i think, confusing situation. interesting, we were just speaking to nicola sturgeon who says you have to nicola sturgeon who says you have to abide by the rules for wherever you are. just looking as well at school, for example, we know there has been a date of the 1st ofjune and we‘ve been speaking to people about that. do you think that schools can‘t be ready at that point? —— that schools can be ready. there is a clear timeline that people can work towards and obviously we'll need to see the details about how many classes or year groups are details about how many classes or yeargroups are coming details about how many classes or year groups are coming back. that feels to me to be more manageable andl feels to me to be more manageable and i think many people have thought thatjune was and i think many people have thought that june was a likely return for schools. but again, the quicker the government gives us the detail about that, the better it will be managed. i‘m sure you come up like everybody will be reading that 50 page document, we understand it comes out a2pm, document, we understand it comes out a 2 pm, thank you for your time.

thank you very much. i will. if you are listening to the prime minister last night you will see lots of people asking can i play golf which isa people asking can i play golf which is a legitimate concern for quite a few people come in amongst the serious questions. sadly, you‘ve been looking at how this might work. i promised you the answer, hopefully your comes, from wednesday, it is expected people will be allowed onto the golf course with members of the same household or on their own. to find out how this will work, how important could be four clubs in england, who are able to reopen we can speak to max sullivan who is the manager of bramall golf course in cheshire. thanks for giving us your time. are you in a position to reopen on wednesday, what work do you have to do over the next couple of days to get there? hello sally. asa of days to get there? hello sally. as a golf club, we are ready to reopen. england golf has been fantastic in giving us and all clubs in the country guidelines for us to follow for the opportunity comes that we reopen. at the start of last

week we received england golf framework which was under their play safe stay safe strategy. from there, we been able to prudent measurements, social distancing measurements, social distancing measurements in place in order so when members are allowed back to the golf club they can play and we will be ready to open on wednesday. what precautions exactly are in place for golfers who are going to turn up and what do they need to do before they can play? the main views from our golf club is the first thing we've never actually, we've always allowed members to come and play on the t. with the doors opening on wednesday, we would have golfers coming at the same time. so we've introduced tea sheets which will enable golfers to come on a staggered basis, at intervals so they avoid social distancing. we've also introduced one—way systems around the club from the car park all the way to the

first tee so people don't hit each other at certain pinch points. two golfers turn up to play on wednesday, how do you check if they really are from the same hassle? in terms of how we will do that, with a being a private members golf club we know the partners who play golf with each other who are from the same hassle. primarily obviously it will be husband and wife or a father and their son or mother and their daughter. so in terms of with it being private members and no visitors to start with, we'll be able to manage that because we have able to manage that because we have a very good relationship with all of our members. how important is this for golf clubs up and down england that they can reopen, even in a limited way? i think it's extremely important. in terms of private members golf clubs, it's the memberships, the fun, the existence of the golf club. without members, a golf club would cease to exist.

fortunately, in terms of our golf club, we have a very strong membership base. so during this period, we've been fortunate enough to be able to manage our costings well through this period. there will bea well through this period. there will be a lot of clubs that might struggle from this but we'll wait and see, it's a start in the right direction and were looking forward to come over the coming months, while we follow the government guidelines, we can at some point get back to being able to provide a full service for golfers. thank you very much. hopefully we have answered that question for everybody watching at home. and for you too, dan. thank you. thank you. see you later. thanks so much. what‘s really obvious about today, so many questions to be answered and this is going to continue all week, we will try and answer as many as we possibly can, keep in touch and we will look through them, put your questions to the ministers when we have them. we will speak to the government every day and that clarification, don‘t forget, 2pm

this afternoon, covered across the bbc. i will be reading 50 pages. enjoy your day. see you tomorrow. goodbye.

good morning, i‘m victoria derbyshire, welcome to bbc news, here are the latest headlines. borisjohnson will reveal more details today on his plans to gradually reopen society in england, after unveiling the first sketch of his road map out of the coronavirus lockdown. there are millions of people who are both fearful of this terrible disease and at the same time also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods and their mental and physical well—being. people who can‘t work from home including those in the manufacturing and construction industries are actively encouraged top go back are actively encouraged to go back to work but to avoid buses, trains, tubes and trams