good morning, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to bbc news, here are the latest headlines. borisjohnson will reveal more details today on his plans to gradually reopen society in england, after unveiling the first sketch of his road map out of the coronavirus lockdown. there are millions of people who are both fearful of this terrible disease and at the same time also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods and their mental and physical well—being. people who can't work from home including those in the manufacturing and construction industries are actively encouraged top go back are actively encouraged to go back to work but to avoid buses, trains, tubes and trams.

primary schools in england could reopen for some year groups from 1stjune if infection rates and the government's other tests allow it. from wednesday, people are allowed to take unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise, sit or sunbathe in parks and play sports with household members. but there are many questions over the detail, and the governments of scotland, wales and northern ireland are all continuing to tell people to stay at home, rather than using the uk's government's new stay alert message. and across europe, lockdowns are beginning to ease. france is starting to lift many of its restrictions and spain relaxes measures in some regions. the prime minister has outlined

measures to start a very gradual easing of the lockdown in england while warning of the danger of a second surge of the pandemic. borisjohnson said it was the right time to update the government's message in england from stay at home to stay alert. but the new message lacks clarity according to labour, and leaders of all the devolved nations have rejected new stay alert advice in favour of keeping the stay at home message. later today, the government will publish a 50 page document outlining details of the new plan and the prime minister is to give a statement in the house of commons this afternoon. let's remind ourselves of the prime minister's conditional plan. anyone who can't work from home is to return to work

to but is to avoid public transport if possible. from wednesday, people will be encouraged to exercise as much as they want but playing sports can only be done members of the same household. from june, schools in england could see a partial reopening starting at primary level in reception, and years 1 and 6. there are no plans for a full return of secondary schools before september, but pupils facing exams next year may get some time with their teachers before the summer. from july, at the earliest, parts of the hospitality industry and other public places might be re—opened. and there could be some kind of quarantine for all air travellers arriving in the uk but there's no detail on that yet. the prime minister spoke as the latest official figures showed 31,855 deaths from coronavirus in the uk, an increase of 269 from the previous day. our political correspondent iain watson has more details. it is now almost two months since...

after seven weeks of lockdown around the uk, people watched the prime ministerfrom their homes, where they've been told to stay. for viewers in england, he changed his message from "stay at home" to "stay alert". but most of lockdown will remain in place. thanks to you, we've protected our nhs and saved many thousands of lives. and so i know, you know, that it would be madness now to throw away that achievement by allowing a second spike. we must stay alert, we must continue to control the virus and save lives. the lockdown has saved lives but hurt the economy. so, the prime minister sketched out a plan for how restrictions could be lifted in future. we can see it all around us in the shuttered shops and abandoned businesses and darkened pubs and restaurants, and there are millions of people who are both fearful of this terrible disease and, at the same time,

also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods and their mental and physical well—being, to their futures and the futures of their children. his plan will come in three phases. from wednesday this week in england, you will be able to spend more time out of doors and not just for exercise. for example, you'll be permitted to meet a friend or a family member from outside your household in a park or open space, so long as you stay two metres apart. from 1stjune, the prime minister would like to be able to begin the phased return of primary school pupils to full—time education. but that will depend on whether the virus has remained under control. the next step could see some hospitality businesses and other public places reopen, but no earlier than 1stjuly. and borisjohnson made it clear that any easing of restrictions could be reversed. if there are outbreaks, if there are problems,

we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. we've been through the initial peak, but it's coming down the mountain that is often more dangerous. and the opposition are raising questions over borisjohnson‘s call for people who can't do theirjob from home in england to go back to work. safety guidance hadn't yet been issued and workers are still being told to avoid public transport. this statement raises as many questions as it answers, and we see the prospect of england, scotland and wales pulling in different directions. the devolved administrations in scotland, wales and northern ireland aren't changing the message to stay at home, and any tweaks to their lockdown will be strictly limited. the message in scotland at this stage is not stay at home if you can. the message is, except for the essential reasons you know about, stay at home, full stop. our advice has not changed in wales. wherever you can, you

should stay at home. the message on the lockdown may sound different depending on where you live, but the prime minister insists there's a shared determination across the uk to defeat the virus. iain watson, bbc news. this morning, people living in england are being actively encouraged to return to work, while also being urged to avoid public transport. and the government has ditched the stay at home message, in favour of stay alert. but there's been some confusion over the message. our political correspondent jessica parkerjoins us from westminster. imean, i mean, there are hundreds of m essa 9 es i mean, there are hundreds of messages saying, i'm not sure what this means i should do now. is it all going to be cleared up when we have the 50 page document released this afternoon? i don't think i could possibly say it will all be cleared up. i am told that the 50 page document is very detailed. and thatis page document is very detailed. and that is not the only thing we will

get, we will have borisjohnson in the house of commons making a statement, taking questions from mps, i'm sure they will try to get down into some of the detail as well. and then tomorrow, we're expecting some more guidance for businesses. and what is interesting is that there seems to have been a bit of a shift this morning. the implication seems to be last night that in terms of the guidance to return to work, if you can't work at home, if you're in manufacturing or construction, for example, dominic raab, the foreign secretary, speaking in various interviews this morning, seems to be suggesting that actually, that advice applies to wednesday, like the exercise advice, perhaps conscious that they've been criticised by the labour party, for example, on issuing that statement last night and then some people feeling, and i supposed to go to work today? employers may be thinking, how do i make sure my work place is safe? now, government sources tell me, they've been working, talking to businesses for weeks so, a lot of the groundwork has already been laid, but it does feel this morning like the

government, perhaps conscious the criticism, linking beginning to slightly push the timetable back, despite what borisjohnson implied last night. this is what dominic raab has been saying this morning. of course, if we're going to come out of the very restrictive set of lockdown measures that we've got, we are going to need to change the message. and the prime minister has set out the first, in three stages, from wednesday, in another step, at the earliest, from the 1st ofjune, and the third step, at the earliest, from the 4th ofjuly. as we start to ta ke from the 4th ofjuly. as we start to take this road map set of measures to protect life, to preserve our livelihoods but also to get our way of life back to something resembling normal, it is going to be really important that as people do more of the things that they want to do, that we stay alert so that we can control the virus and we don't see it revive. we have made great progress and the public have done a greatjob in progress and the public have done a great job in adhering progress and the public have done a greatjob in adhering to progress and the public have done a great job in adhering to the guidance so far, and i'm confident, and people have said that we need to treat people like adults, and that

is what we're going to do. there's 50 pages of a document coming out with the accompanying guidelines. i am confident that as we change the measures, which of course we would have to do so at some point, we do so responsibly, and in a clear way. of course there has been criticism of the change to stay alert. nicola sturgeon making it abundantly clear at the weekend that she did not agree with that change, she wants to stick to the stay at home message, even asking the uk government not to deploy the stay alert message in scotland. there has been some criticism of what the prime minister said last night, claims that what he outlined in terms of returning to work lacked detail and was very confusing for businesses, a point that has been picked up on the today programme with nick tom symonds, the shadow home secretary, who has been speaking. as regards incremental changes, we have also been clear over the last few weeks that we need a structured

approach, which allows people to prepare. it was wrong, as you said in your introduction quoting ed miliband, that it was wrong to send millions of people back to work at 12 hours notice without any position regarding public transport and without the absolutely vital guidance we need to ensure they can work in safe circumstances. they are not being sent, they're being encouraged, and that is different? of course it's different, but being encouraged by a prime ministerial broadcast without the appropriate measures in place, you know, that is seriously wrong and i think that when you look at what is actually required here, the risk assessments, how we enforce workplace social distancing, the hand washing, the ppe, all of that should have been thought through before the prime minister said that last night. as i mentioned, the suggestion this morning from dominic raab seems to be that the advice to return to work actually applies to wednesday, to give a bit more time to prepare. in

terms of social distancing and going outside and exercising, the rules are changing in england from wednesday, dominic raab has been giving some detail on that this morning, saying on bbc breakfast that if you wanted to meet your motherfor that if you wanted to meet your mother for example in the that if you wanted to meet your motherfor example in the park in the morning, and your dad in the park in the afternoon, you could do so park in the afternoon, you could do so as long as you stay two metres apartand so as long as you stay two metres apart and you are not allowed to meet in the household or the garden. he later suggested on the today programme that actually you could meet both your parents in the park as long as you stated to metres apart. i think what you're going to see today is a lot of this detail being worked through, i think downing street would say, the prime minister, when he is setting out a broad roadmap, he is not going to be able to get into every bit of detail and answer every question but i think there will be efforts today to press for some of those crucial a nswe rs.

this one says, i am in wales, my pa rents a re this one says, i am in wales, my parents are in england, am i allowed to visit them? the answer would be sadly no, because of the wales restrictions. this one... you can visit only if the traffic lights are on green and only on a tuesday... i think he is suggesting there might bea think he is suggesting there might be a bit of confusion! annabel says, stay alert means that when you go out, you keep a few metres away from others. i have been doing this right the way through the coronavirus crisis, it's not rocket science. this one says... people can go out as much as they like as long as they stay two metres apart. that, for me, risks a second peak. you can get in touch on twitter or you can send us an e—mail. we are going to talk to the head of the unite union, len mccluskey, in about five minutes. south korea's president said that his country faces a prolonged war against the coronavirus

after a spike of new cases in the capital seoul forced the closure of bars and clubs, just days after social restrictions were eased. the country's prime minister has warned that recent visitors to seoul's party district will be fined almost two thousand dollars if they refuse to be tested for coronavirus, after 85 new cases were linked to clubs and bars in the area. and china has confirmed five new cases of the virus in wuhan, the original epicentre of the outbreak. it's the second day running that new cases have emerged from the city. in total, 17 new cases were confirmed across china, the highest number for two weeks. france is starting to lift many of its restrictions after one of the longest lockdowns in europe. the country has been divided into different zones. paris falls into the red category as the virus is still active there and hospitals remain under heavy pressure. our correspondent hugh schofield is in paris.

fill us in on the details? yeah, well, you join me on the champs elysee in central paris, where there has been nothing for two months, but as you can see now, there is the resumption of road, a certain amount of commerce, some shops are beginning to open around me now. there is a cosmetic shop just here which is opening right this minute. for people who live around here, it isa big, for people who live around here, it is a big, big change. really, the champs elysee was a desert for two months, and as you can see, there is this activity coming back. and that is true across the country. but it is true across the country. but it is partial and it is gradual. here in paris today, as i cycled in this morning, there was not the normal rush—hour traffic at all. on the metro, on the buses you can see that the number of people who are coming in is much, much lower than in normal times, and that is because

people are heeding, it seems, the government advised to stay at home and work from home where possible. and on the metro, you need a piece of paper, an authorisation from your employer, to say that you need to come in in rush—hour, between cool the morning and nine in the morning, for example. as a result of that and i think as a result of people's lingering fears, and that it is all new territory now, there is not a kind of black and white about yesterday and today, it still feels a slightly unusual, certainly much quieter than normal, as if people are pulling back the curtains, tentatively looking out and seeing if it is ok to venture out and perhaps in the coming days we will see more activity on the street because you're certainly not seeing a huge amount today. because you're certainly not seeing a huge amount todaylj because you're certainly not seeing a huge amount today. i wonder if you can confirm or otherwise, hugh, whether or not they quarantine arrangements will not apply to travellers between france and the uk? yes, apparently not. the detail

behind that seems to have been a phone conversation between president macron and boris johnson phone conversation between president macron and borisjohnson yesterday evening. after boris johnson announced that there would be this quarantine requirement for people arriving in britain from outside, president macron, it seems, pointed out to the uk, to borisjohnson, that france had generously, in its view, included the uk in its definition of what constituted european travel, schengen area travel, and under those french rules, people coming from the schengen area, and britain, don't require to quarantine or self—isolate when they arrive in france, and the french felt that this was a little bit unfair, if the british were including france in their proscriptions. it looks like macron said that he would reciprocate if britain went ahead with this, and as a result that stand—off, there was this deal under which neither country will require quarantine for the other. thank you

very much, hugh. the headlines on bbc news... borisjohnson will make a statement to mps this afternoon about his plans for easing restrictions in england, after criticism that his statement last night had caused confusion. people who can't work from home including those in the manufacturing and construction industries are being actively encouraged top go back to work but to avoid buses, trains, tubes and trams. teaching unions say they have very serious concerns about the prime minister's suggestion that primary schools could restart next month for pupils in reception, yeari and year6. the leaders of the uk's four biggest trade unions have warned boris johnson that they cannot recommend a return to work for their three million members until full coronavirus safety measures are in place. in a few minutes, we'll speak to len mccluskey from unite, britain's second biggest union. first, our reporterjim reed went

to newtown in mid wales to see how one large electronics firm has started up production again. yes, sometimes you do have to think about it because you see somebody, and you get into a conversation, and then you think, oh, wait, step back. you're here for eight hours and you're working, so it takes your mind off it. it's only when you get home, and you see the news again. we manufacture variable speed drives, these control motors which are used in pumps and fans, for example, the pop—up hospitals that you have seen in new york are run by our variable speed drives. our facility in shenzhen was one of the first ones to go into the chinese lockdown, and now we're back in full production again, so we flood an awful lot that we now apply to the

facility here. so, there is no people passing each other, which obviously will then breach the two metre rule. it is possible to get from one end of the factory to the other without bumping into somebody, basically. yes, absolutely, you will not bump into anybody. what you will do, as we are demonstrating here, is that we cause a queue. so, the principal is... and you can see, you've got everyone spaced back two metres without us asking, waiting for us, because we're on the one—way system. shall we're on the one—way system. shall we get a move on? yeah. so, that's a good demonstration. this is something that our engineers have innovated, something that we're using, because in a manufacturing space, you do need to get up and close and personal with people, so ourengineering team close and personal with people, so our engineering team knocked up a

mobile screen on wheels, so if you wanted to, they can come in this cubicle. and breach the two metre, soi cubicle. and breach the two metre, so i can see what's going on. yeah, so, we're doing the best we can. usually there's four people on a line but there isjust can. usually there's four people on a line but there is just two of us at the moment. just trying to keep the pace and carry on. sitting at home for weeks on end, boring, you get lethargic. here, it is nice to meet your friends again. more than one person needs the bathroom at the same time, simple, no touching, foot, kick it across, into the bathroom. so, this is the principal, so, to exit from the toilet, so you don't have to touch anything, even though there's hand

washing, you can use your foot and out you go. so, when you speak to your staff now, how confident are your staff now, how confident are you that they are safe in an environment like this, because there's 300—odd people working here? ourfacilities are as there's 300—odd people working here? our facilities are as safe as we can possibly get it. if we find other ways, we will look at them. this is the unknown because no textbook telling you what to do. we've had to figure this out as we go along. we're dealing with people's lives and incomes, trying to keep the business viable and to continue for the future. we can now speak to, len mccluskey the head of the unite union — britain's second biggest and a union that represents many transport workers. i'll also bejoined by maddie lamb, who works as a waitress and who is worried about catching the virus if she has to go back to work. and yasmine camilla, a single mother who has been furloughed and who fears going back to work full time as there is nobody to take care of her children.

len mccluskey, first of all, what do you think of the prime minister actively encouraging those who work in factories and construction sites to go back to work in england? well, i have to say, there was disbelief and confusion last night on the one hand, the prime minister was telling us that we should still stay at home, but then on the other hand, he was saying that manufacturing and construction could go back to work today. literally, millions of people confused, leaving more questions than answers. and i heard this morning dominic rabbi saying that there was going to be a 50 page guidance given on wednesday, and i have to say to myself, why didn't we wait until wednesday to see the guidance? incidentally, that guidance? incidentally, that guidance should be instructions, not guidance. many good employers will follow that, but many won't, unless they are instructed to do so. why didn't we get all of that information first, and then repair

for back to work next week? workers this morning will be utterly confused as to know whether they wail or not. and incidentally, lots of employers will be unsure, unaware, of whether they can bring people back in a safe manner. and one other thing, victoria, if i could make this point. last week i raised with the chancellor the fact that we have an army, tens of thousands of experienced health and safety representatives, who can play a key role, because the important thing here is that workers have to have confidence that in going back to work, they can protect their health and the health of their families and communities. so, i urge the government to make certain that they promote the idea of using health and safety representatives, who will play a key role in giving

the confidence that workplaces are secure. are you telling workers that they can refuse to go back to work if they are unsure about whether their workplace is covid secure? absolutely. they have a statutory right, every worker has a statutory right, every worker has a statutory right to work in a safe environment, and ifany right to work in a safe environment, and if any of our members are effectively unsure of that, then we are saying that they shouldn't be pressured into going back to work, and they should refuse, and we will obviously defend them. but there is no need for that. if the employers and the government embraced the expertise, your excellent report there from the electronics company, we have millions of workers still working now, not just we have millions of workers still working now, notjust in the nhs and public services, but in food processing, in delivery and in the packaging sector, and all of those are working in trade union

environments where agreements have been reached on how safe that work can be carried out. that is what the government should be doing, they should be embracing good practice and utilising this fantastic army that we have out there, and that could be the key to the confidence required to get us back into the flow of the economy working again, which we desperately need. we accept that we need the economy running again, otherwise we'll be faced with mass unemployment, which will impact on everybody. yes, i've got messages to that effect as well. this one says... people need to work or the economy will be, as he puts it, screwed. somebody else says... we can't stay at home forever or we will all eventually die of lockdown related complicated. you were very clear about your advice, people can refuse to go to work if they don't feel that their workplace is secure. dominic raab on the radio wouldn't a nswer dominic raab on the radio wouldn't answer the question, can they walk

out, but you're saying, they absolutely can? absolutely, and we've already had many situations of that. a number of ourfactories, workers have said, no, we're not going to work until certain risk assessments and things have been done. employers have responded and we've been able to overcome that, so, absolutely. does it seem to you, then, that with this act of encouragement for people who work on construction sites or in factories, that the blue—collar workers, the lower earners, are being actively encouraged to go back, whereas white—collar workers aren't necessarily? well, it is certainly an obvious division, that blue—collar workers, factory workers, may be lower paid workers, are being told to go back to work, while those in the higher earnings scale can stay safely at home. i just wish, we've cooperated and being involved in talks with the

government since this began, and i just wish that the prime minister and the government would have spoken to us more about this 50 page document, we could have given advice, we could have directed them towards our health and safety reps, we could have looked at the good practice that exists outside. i was ona practice that exists outside. i was on a call last night with business leaders, with the prime minister, and the prime minister never mentioned trade unions once. i hope that's not an indication of him slipping backwards. we need a cooperative approach to get us out of this crisis, but not only that, we also then need this tripartite forum to recover the economy. if we don't do that, then we are going to be in more serious trouble indeed. and briefly, i'm asking all our interviewees this morning, what doesn't stay alert and mean to you? well, stay alert is about what people have been doing for the last

six weeks, being careful about how you interface with people and trying to follow the guidelines that the government has been giving, so, i don't have a problem with stay alert. my problem is that the practical realities, the prime minister talking about walking and cycling to work, actually betrays a confusion, because many, many of our workers, thousands and thousands, live miles away, and so public transport is an issue, talk to us more because we are the people who represent ordinary workers and know the practicalities that are needed, and will be able to assist if the company continue to open their doors and listen to us. thank you, len mccluskey, from the unite union. let's talk to a project manager from a major retailer, been working from home, now furloughed, and a waitress ata home, now furloughed, and a waitress at a cafe in lancashire. welcome both of you, thank you very much for talking to us.

it doesn't sound like your cafe will be able to open untiljuly at the earliest. what do you think about what the prime minister said last night? the biggest worry is about working in a cafe, social distancing, the cafe i work in is narrow, it's long, even if we work at social distance it would only benefit customers they were sat a few ta bles benefit customers they were sat a few tables away from each other. i'm still the one that has to come into contact with them, egging up knives and forks which have been in their mouth, their caps, and that's what really worries me. you've been furloughed, is that right? yes. that is due officially to end at the end ofjune, there is pressure on the chancellor to keep some of it, there is also pressure for him to wind it down. what do you want to happen?“ i can't work i still need an income so hopefully it carries on but if it doesn't, i'm going to have no money coming in and i won't be able to

spend any thing. with that force your hand, would you have to go back to work? luckily i have some savings so if it meant saving my family and keeping them safe i wouldn't go back, unless it was a safe environment for me to be in. do you trust your bosses to make it a safe environment? yes, i do. i've not heard anything discussed about ppe or anything like that so i don't know if we would get that but if that was to come in i would consider going back. it relies on ppe. let me bring in yasmin his been trying to work from home and home school your two children. and i know doing all of that, how did you react to what the minister said? well, i was really disappointed, i feel like i've got myself into a place i knew where i stood, i was balancing my work and my children because macro needs. reasonably well! although not ideal. it's not clear direction, i think. it's an ask to the public to

do what they think is right and it doesn't feel like leadership. maybe that's the point, maybe it's time for people to start making their own decisions, weighing up the risks for themselves, maybe that's what the government has intended? possibly, i'm sure they would like to shift the blame if there is a second peak but the thing is sorry, that's interesting, a number of people have suggested that, is that what you think i'd be behind it? absolutely, it feels very wishy, —— wishy—washy, it feels very wishy, —— wishy—washy, it has from the beginning. you can see from the photos, most people i know around the country have experienced parks full of people this weekend. not social distancing. and then to hear a speech that doesn't remind people how important it is, the kind of trip fred communications through last week, quite clearly had an impact. —— drip fed. i'm really worried now, it's ha rd fed. i'm really worried now, it's hard enough, i live in london, it's ha rd hard enough, i live in london, it's hard to take my kids out, i have to ta ke hard to take my kids out, i have to take my children with me when i do

my supermarket shop. it's been almost impossible to socially distance up until this point and i'm quite frankly petrified now because going to be even worse. i think people will take the message as as long as i'm two metres away from people i can pretty much do what i want. let me go back to maddie. have your friends been following the rules and how do you think younger people will respond to what mr johnson said last night? no, not at all, all i see on social media are people going round to their friends houses, having parties, ithink it's one thing to do it, but are plastered over social media is another thing and the fact we are allowed to go to the park, go to the beach, so many more people are going to be out and it's going to carry on the spread. you are allowed to do that if you are in england, of course. what do you think stay alert means? just be careful, be mindful. who you are near, who you might come

into co nta ct who you are near, who you might come into contact with. stay two metres apart at all times, but try not to get too much contact with anyone who is not in your household. that's not confusing, is it, then? no, buti think his speech last night was very confusing, he contradicted himself a lot, say stay at home but go to work if you can't but if you can't, stay at home. he should have been a lot more clear about what he was saying last night. 0k. thank you maddie. yasmin, thank you, thank you for yourtime, yasmin, thank you, thank you for your time, thank you for coming on and good luck. thank you. let's bring you a look at the weather, much colder. here is matt taylor. it certainly is, victoria, good morning. completely different season out there this morning compared to what you experienced a couple of days ago, a little on the cold side out of the sunshine, gusty wind down northern and eastern areas, a few showers and eastern parts of england, more showers across scotla nd england, more showers across scotland later, sunny in northern

ireland, east anglia, the south—east, here and towards the channel lines we could see 40—58 mile an hour gusts, feeling colder, 11 to- 14 mile an hour gusts, feeling colder, 11 to— 1a would suggest. plymouth reached 23 yesterday afternoon. just hovering around 10 degrees. through tonight temperatures drop, or in the way of showers in scotland, some in northern ireland. you see clearer skies, widespread frost. or in the white frost tonight across the southern half of the country. starting sunny, clouding over later, showers dotted around parts of northern ining, north wales, northern ireland, book of the showers in scotland, turning to snow later in the day, more in the way of colder air returns. that's how it's looking. goodbye for now. hello, this is bbc news with victoria derbyshire. the headlines... borisjohnson will make a statement to mps this afternoon about his plans for easing restrictions in england, after criticism that his statement last night had caused confusion.

people who can't work from home — including those in the manufacturing and construction industries — are being ‘actively encouraged' to go back to work — but to avoid buses, trains, tubes and trams. teaching unions say they have very serious concerns about the prime minister's suggestion that primary schools could restart next month for pupils in reception, year1 and year6. the governments of scotland, wales and northern ireland are all continuing to tell people to "stay at home", rather than using the uk's government's new "stay alert" message. and across europe, lockdowns are beginning to ease — france is starting to lift many of its restrictions — and spain is relaxing measures in some regions. the prime minister will answer questions from mps this afternoon — and then from the public afterwards — to try and clear up the government's plan for easing lockdown restrictions in england. lots of questions — and lots of confusion from viewers this morning

for example, one viewer says up until now i have been clear in my mind at the right thing to do, now i'm confused, is it ok to visit family which i haven't been? well, according to dominic raab on the television at 7:30am, you can visit afamily television at 7:30am, you can visit a family member in the park as long as you keep two metres apart and visit your mum in the morning, your dad in the afternoon, when he was on the radio later he said you could see both parents at the same time in the park obviously this is in england only. as long as everybody‘s two metres apart. in a televised address last night the prime minister said the government's message will change from ‘stay at home' — to ‘stay alert‘. but the message won‘t change in scotland, wales and northern ireland. borisjohnson also said anyone who can‘t work from home should return to work but avoid public transport if possible. this morning, dominic raab said the call to return to work is from wednesday not from today. from june the 1st — primary schools in england could see

a partial reopening — starting in reception, and years 1 and 6. there are no plans for a full return of secondary schools before september — but pupils facing exams next year — may get some time with their teachers before the summer. people will also be allowed unlimited outdoor exercise from wednesday. the bbc was told last night you‘d be able to meet one person from outside your own household in a park as long as you stay two metres apart. however dominic raab said this morning you can meet two people under those rules. from july, at the earliest, some cafes — and other public places — might be re—opened. the government will issue 50 pages of guidance on the new measures later today dr simon williams — human behaviour expert and senior lecturer in people at swa nsea university and hejoins me now. what a wonderful title! good morning. before i ask you about the latest modifications we got from mrjohnson last night, tell us about the small piece of research you‘ve done on

british attitudes to lock down so far. as it was up until yesterday in england. that's right, thank you very much. we‘ve been conducting some early and ongoing research because of course things are changing and attitudes are changing quite regularly, if not daily and what we found in the early stages of lockdown, through this research, is that people were experiencing a number of difficulties, related to their emotional and even mental well—being. so issues around loss, whether that was the economic losses that many were facing as a result of either being furloughed or losing their positions in theirjobs. through to emotional losses, through toa through to emotional losses, through to a loss for example, motivation to get up and get on with their daily routine at home. a loss of self—worth. interestingly, what we found as we continued the research is that the british public and individuals are being remarkably resilient, they‘ve adapted quite well to lockdown. as a result, of necessity of course, but as a

result, they now tend to frame or we re result, they now tend to frame or were frame it lockdown up until the last few days, in more positive terms. and i think that through two main things, one is creating a better confidence over living in lockdown, they‘ve created and settled into new routines and of course, there‘s been a substituting of face—to—face interactions, social losses that people are missing by not being able to see wider friends and family with online and other methods of interaction. up until the last few days and certainly up until last few days and certainly up until last night, people are settling into lockdown because i think in some ways, it was black and white and now we have the sense of shades of grey around the ambiguity of the announcement last night. how might that affect people? one thing we found, even from the start really, is uncertainty has been one of the key drivers of stress and in many cases anxiety. so in the first instance, it was the uncertainty of how to adapt to lockdown but

increasingly over how long lockdown would last, what life would look like they‘re after and i think many people helped, of course, the announcement last night would somewhat clear up uncertainty. i think people are accepting of course this is a very uncertain science, it‘s a novel virus and thus, there is going to be some kind of flexibility in policies and measures but i think if anything, this growing uncertainty has perhaps added to the widespread anxiety that people are facing and particularly those who have underlying or pre—existing mental or emotional health difficulties. and is it possible that there could also be some anxiety from people who are worried about their safety as lockdown restrictions gradually ease? i think undoubtedly. lockdown restrictions gradually ease? ithink undoubtedly. ithink there will be many people who irrespective of whether they are now permitted or even encouraged to go back to work as a result of the announcement will be reluctant to do so and! announcement will be reluctant to do so and i think part of that, of course, stems from the disharmony of

message across the uk. obviously, the difference is that we are seeing in terms of the message, the devolved nations and our governments and the announcement last night in the uk. that lack of consensus means there is a lack of social normal almost around the right way to act andi almost around the right way to act and i think some people on the individual level, will want to avoid going to work as they will still be concerned about the risk.|j going to work as they will still be concerned about the risk. i wonder, i know you haven‘t done this research yet but i wonder, doctor williams, what the long—term effects of this whole crisis might be on our national psyche? i think that's a clear point and as you say it‘s not something we can ascertain at this point, we can certainly look at the short term and say there‘s an immediate impact people obviously needing mental health support. we expect that to be the case in the medium—term and long it would be difficult to know to know to what

extent some anxiety people have been feeling will become long lasting. i think the difficulty now is that with new but confusing guidance around what people are predicted to do, every time people have an opportunity for interaction in the workplace, they are going to be perhaps, some people at least, will be concerned over did i do the right thing? am i safe in my workplace? should i have shared that piece of equipment? and i think that ambiguity is why it‘s going to be potentially something we will be living with for some time, it seems. yes, thank you very much. doctor simon williams. thank you for your many messages. you can e—mail me or you can‘t message me on twitter. josephine says i use a wheelchair and have been managing with difficulty. without might weakly help with cleaning and bed changing etc. but kant my wonderful cleaner now return if we follow social

distancing guidelines? thank you. —— but can my wonderful cleaner. in england, we are not supposed to flip hassles unless we are outside two media support, i suspect the answer is no to that, josephine. another of your excess stay at home as much as possible for those who can‘t but stay alert when you go out to go back to work on it really is that simple. surely even you can understand that. as ian says the stay alert message in england is ambiguous, nonsense. david says i interpret the stay alert message as continue to take the virus seriously. still cross the road instead of casually walking past someone as though the virus has magically disappeared. i agree it could have been worded better but it means keep the same cautious mindset. and callum says the stay alert message means don‘t stay—at—home. we will talk to conservative mp at about 10:30pm, we switch to bbc two at 10am, the chair of the treasury select committee so we‘ll ask about what will happen

with those on furlough as well. the mpfor with those on furlough as well. the mp for central devon. tim says stay alert surely means as lockdown was lifted maintain the two metre distancing and kerry says stay alert means don‘t get caught. your contributions are very welcome this morning, as always. some primary school pupils in england could be back in the classroom byjune1st, as part of the government‘s phased return to school. i wonder what you think of that? in his televised address to the nation last night, boris johnson said pupils in reception, year1 and year 6 could go back first. jayne mccubbin has been to a primary school in merseyside to see whether parents and pupils feel ready to return. this is a small slice of st elizabeth‘s primary school in merseyside. we miss them all. we hope in many ways that we see them, however obviously we hope it‘s safe for them to come back. and there‘s the rub. when is the right time to get back to class? when will the government ring the school bell? alexis says now, linda says no.

yes. i want to go back. i'm really excited. it‘s too soon. lindsay and dean want this over, but it‘s complicated. are you bored? yeah, iam. to tea rs ? yes. i've got mixed feelings. he's got asthma. i really want to be sure that he's safe to go back. if you had that certainty, you‘d be, yes, bring it on? get him out of the house. yes, definitely, yeah. while lindsay‘s worried about her son‘s health, tony is worried about the health of other vulnerable family members. the parents are going to have take them to school and they are also going to be outside the school gathering so it‘s not really going to contain the virus, is it? if the government says it‘s time for year 6 to go back, do you think you might take the decision then to go, "no, i‘m keeping him home." yeah, i‘d probably not let him go back to school. alicia has barely missed a school day. her mum is a carer so she is one of only 15 kids who have

still been going to school every week, and she‘s struggling. you are really missing your best mate, aren‘t you? i want to give her a big hug and say i miss you. she's been she's been getting really upset at times. the government might say we‘re going to slowly phase this in, maybe year 6 first of all. well, her school has two year 6 classes, so that's still near enough 60 children going back to school all at once. almost all the parents i met felt a long way from confident about the idea of sending kids back into st elizabeth‘s playground before the end of this school year. head teacher mr daniels wants clarity. the longer period of time we get to prepare, the better. june 1 is a date that is kind of been thrown around. it does seem like a very short timescale to get things back to normal, but we will see. most children might be itching to get back, but not all. leo is super aware of the virus which has changed his world. it‘s like when we go back to school and things start to change,

it will be a bit weird because you don‘t want to get distracted about it because you don‘t want to bring home an infection. you are saying, leo, the time isn‘t now, but dad...? i think the time possibly, if it's not now, it's not far away. if you're a child and your parents are both shielded, you could be a carrier, you don't want to take it home. that child can possibly be exempt but for those who aren't that situation, i feel as though we should move towards the education because they need to get prepared for what's coming up next in theirlife. every family wants what is best for their kids. that means different things to different people. it‘s the homeschooling, isn‘t it? we‘re enjoying it, aren‘t we? well, a bit. what, enjoying it? i do really want to do my sats. no, he does, don‘t you — just to see how clever you really are. yeah. because i actually want someone who's actually professional to, like, teach me. by the way, he's not. lleyton is going to have to wait until at leastjune 1 for that,

with guidance to schools in england out later. in scotland, wales and northern ireland, parents will stay in the homeschooling hot seat for some weeks to come. jayne mccubbin, bbc news. let‘s speak now to professor tim spector, from the department of twin research and genetic epidemiology at king‘s college london. good morning to you. let me ask you what does stay alert mean to you? i‘m not sure. it means i guess and i think that‘s the slightly confusing message because for many people, who are waking up to this, not exactly sure what is going on. and i think really, what it signals to me is we do need more transparency, we do need more information for the public to realise that there is no such thing as a zero risk. this is a disease that affecting over

3-4,000,000 disease that affecting over 3—4,000,000 people already. and it‘s more complicated than we thought and people need to be taught more about it and were not really discussing theissues it and were not really discussing the issues with the public at the moment or how common it is in the population, we arejust moment or how common it is in the population, we are just told about deaths in hospitals and it‘s a black and white thing. i think there‘s much more we could be informing the public, not treating them as too to understand and giving, sharing the science produced around this very strange virus with people so they can make their own decisions. right, people in some parts of the country are now making their own decisions. would you welcome that or are you saying we are doing it in an uninformed way because we don‘t, we know some risks, we know if you‘re over 75, over 90, we know the risks go up, if you‘re under 25, etc, but that‘s not enough? go up, if you‘re under 25, etc, but that's not enough? no, and i think what we do need is a better system in place to give us comfort that we‘ll know when it‘s going wrong.

this traffic light system now, haven‘t we, the different levels between five and one. we have a traffic light system but we don‘t know what information is going into the traffic light at the moment. all we really have is hospital deaths and this pilot study in the isle of wight at the moment. we have a system already, our app which started from kings in conjunction with zoe, this symptom app that has been downloaded by 3.2 million people now one in 20 people in the uk, but is giving us advice, that is telling us about all the different symptoms that are out there and there‘s about 1k different symptoms that mean you can be infected and at the moment, if you phone nhs111 and say i‘m not feeling well, do i go to work today, the advice you get will mean have those cases will be missed. i think this is very dangerous. and it‘s also leading to

these problems in care homes, keep getting worse because people are not informed on those care homes what the real symptoms are. there‘s a lack of knowledge going back from the scientists to the public that really is vital if were going to try and treat people as adults and act sensibly. they‘ve got to have the knowledge there and we‘ve got to start using these tools. just to set your screen has risen but we can hear every word you are saying, in crystal clear sound so we will carry on. yesterday on the andrew marr show on bbc one, a statistician, said there are 10 million under fifteens in the uk and to have died with covid 19 fifteens in the uk and to have died with covid19 on fifteens in the uk and to have died with covid 19 on the death certificate. of 17 million under 25, 26 have died with covid 19 on the death certificate and he said the risk of covid 19 to over 90s was 10,000 times the risk to young people. what do we know though about the likely transmission risk or

transmission rate from younger people to older people? we know very little. there have been some studies, not in this country as far asiam studies, not in this country as far as i am aware, places like france and switzerland have done these studies, showing that the right is very low. from young kids. it is not zero. there is still some risk in transmitting from children, say at school, to their grandparents but it is much less than older people transferring it to each other, if you like. because this is a key question from parents who are having to consider children potentially going back to school in england. from june the 1st. if they are in reception for years one or six. yes. the risk is minimal. but it‘s still a risk and i think we‘ve got to learn as a population, if going to move on and you know, not bankrupt the whole country for the next 20 yea rs the whole country for the next 20 years and cause the destruction of

the nhs because there is no funding, we got to accept some level of risk as key workers are already doing. and we have to understand those risks and to do that we got to see the full picture. yes, getting schools going will have some very small risk but if you know who you are going to protect and you make sure they are as protected as possible, those risks might probably come in my view, be acceptable if we are going to continue to educate children so it‘s trying to work out how we live with this and also, if it gets out of control, we have symptom apps like ours that can actually monitor what‘s going around the country and see where these peaks occur the country and see where these pea ks occur and then the country and see where these peaks occur and then our policy. so we do need everything in place and we do need everything in place and we definitely need more information for people about this virus and how it affects people so differently. otherwise we are missing infectious cases. can i ask, the uk has around 4000 new infections every day at the moment, what level does that need to

fall to four contact tracing to be able to work effectively? that depends how good your system or contact tracing is. and the number ...0k, contact tracing is. and the number ok, let's assume in an ideal scenario we have an amazing contact tracing system, i just scenario we have an amazing contact tracing system, ijust want scenario we have an amazing contact tracing system, i just want to scenario we have an amazing contact tracing system, ijust want to know, is ita tracing system, ijust want to know, is it a few hundred infections every day, 1000, do you have that figure? it's day, 1000, do you have that figure? it‘s fine if you don‘t know, i‘m just interested to know. thank don't have it, i think at the moment it‘s too hybrid to be particularly effective, given the resources we have and that‘s my worry. and that‘s why we should be looking at other tools, not just relying why we should be looking at other tools, notjust relying on this super app that everyone in the government seems to be putting their faith in. we need vigilance from the population, we need the normal old—fashioned population, we need the normal old —fashioned public health population, we need the normal old—fashioned public health systems, we need people logging symptoms whether they are well or not well on a general basis, we need all of the stuff together plus testing and

antibodies, and things that other countries are doing much better than us at the moment. thank you very much. we will talk to a conservative mp at10:30am when much. we will talk to a conservative mp at 10:30am when we switch to bbc two. one viewer tweeted to say i‘m confused, angry, at the beginning we we re confused, angry, at the beginning we were told 20,000 deaths would be expected. we were told that would be a good outcome in a bird, is, now we are at 31,000 plus, still rising, the government want people to return to work. social distancing with families and work colleagues. let‘s bring you the weather. here is matt taylor. hello. after the warmth on friday and saturday, it feels like a com pletely friday and saturday, it feels like a completely different season has been played out so far today. quite a few of you waking up to a frost, chili failed today out of the sunshine. lots of dry and reasonably sunny weather taking us through this afternoon. view more showers cropping up in the north of

scotland, if you are in the east of england compared to this morning, clow demands increasing, northern ireland staying largely sunny, as will the south—east of england, here we see the strongest winds, rough feeling through east anglia, the south—east, channel islands, topping 40 or 45 miles an hour at times. that will knock the feel of things back from 13 or 14 celsius would suggest, way down on 23 yesterday for plymouth. for many, temperature still hovering around nine or 10 degrees. tonight, showers will keep going across parts of scotland, especially in the north, one or two into northern ireland, north—west england, many will be dry. lengthy clear skies, temperatures dropping low enough for frost and a more widespread frost possible across southern parts of england and wales compared to yesterday. this area of high pressure in the atlantic notices its way income at lighter winds, into tuesday this weather system purchase from the north, that means more showers across cotton compared to today. one or two to

begin with in northern ireland, some in england and wales during the day, longer spells of rain turning to sleet and snow, even on the most modest of hills in the northern half of scotland, cold eric takes back in. elsewhere, 11—14d. nice enough in the sunshine. chilly for the time of year out of it. this weather system which bring showers across scotla nd system which bring showers across scotland will do so into tuesday, sliding down northern and eastern parts for wednesday. clearing the way eastward through the day. further west one or two showers, some returning towards the hebrides later, most will be dry, best of the sunshine in the morning, cloud through the afternoon for many. going to be another cold feel, temperatures dropping again, relative to tuesday. for the rest of the week, can‘t rule out overnight frost, high pressure building back in. we will see rain at times across scotland, eastern parts of england, most scotland, eastern parts of england, m ost pla ces scotland, eastern parts of england, most places dry. notice the temperature trend in some of the cities from the four nations, rising

towards the end of the week.

this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. borisjohnson will reveal more details today on his plans to gradually reopen society in england, after unveiling the "first sketch" of his road map out of the coronavirus lockdown. there are millions of people who are both fearful of this this terrible disease and at the same time also fearful of what this long period of enforced inactivity will do to their livelihoods and their mental and physical well—being. people who can‘t work from home including those in the manufacturing and construction industries are actively encouraged to go back to work. unions say it‘s a confused picture. on the