Skip to main content

tv   BBC News  BBC News  May 11, 2020 2:00pm-5:01pm BST

2:00 pm
hello, this is bbc news. the government has just published a 50 page document laying out plans in detail to ease restrictions in england. it says all workers who cannot work from home should travel to work if their workplace is open but avoid using public transport. the government is now advising that people should aim to wear a face covering enclosed spaces like on public transport or in shops. people can meet one person from outside their own household and drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance. the government says its ambition is for all primary school children to return to school before the summer for a month if feasible. boris
2:01 pm
johnson will present his strategy to parliament by 3:30 this afternoon. good afternoon. the government has just published a 50 page document laying out plans in detail to ease restrictions in england. we whence develop and we keep it the conditional plan includes rather chilly conditions due today. details on the quarantine, schools, some showers in the used and in the which businesses might open and north of scotland, wendy crossed the when, meeting people outside your eastern coast and going do so. winds household and advice on face coverings. the timetable for lifting will ease all dry spells tomorrow, restrictions will be delayed if there is not significant progress in controlling the virus. all workers but showers in scotland and some in who cannot work from home should northern ireland with tablatures travel to work if their workplace is around freezing, but not as cold as last night in scotland. tomorrow, open, the government is now advising that people should aim to wear face dry weather in england and wales, coverings in enclosed spaces, such
2:02 pm
as public transport and in shops. showers in northern areas, showers you can only meet one person outside your household but you can drive to in northern ireland as well. perhaps some rain and snow across scotland, open spaces irrespective of distance. the government's ambition pushing south and introducing colder is for all primary children to return to school before the summer air. temperatures for aberdeen will be5 air. temperatures for aberdeen will holidays but only if feasible. 0ur be 5 degrees. it is rather cool for political correspondent is in the middle of the week and for many westminster. the call since the others it will remain dry. prime minister went on the television was for clarity, are we getting it? we are getting some hello, this is bbc news. detail. this is the document, just the headlines... published in the last couple of the government has just published a minutes. 0ur published in the last couple of minutes. our plan to rebuild the 50 page document laying out detailed plans to ease restrictions in government's covid—19 recovery strategy, it is the uk government england. it says all workers who but these are guidelines relating to cannot work from home should travel if their workplace is open but avoid england, separate guidelines for scotland, wales and northern ireland. i was a journalist of a using public transport. for the first time, the government is advising people should face —— user hand full show in this document. the fees covering when in enclosed spaces. from wednesday, people can meet one person from outside their chief medical officer advisor it was own outsold and drive the outdoor
2:03 pm
open spaces. the government says its ambition is for all primary school there. we will go through the main children to return to school before headlines then dive into the detail, the summer for a month, three steps, step one starting on children to return to school before the summerfora month, if children to return to school before the summer for a month, if feasible. the prime minister will present his wednesday. that is about being able to go out more basically, not the strategy department at half 3pm. restriction of all the getting exercise once a day but to be able to exercise freely, central to this let us get the latest on those advice is that transmission of the documents on that using other work virus outdoors is much, much harder done. a home affairs correspondent than indoors so a liberalisation as far as being able to go outside is is with us now. anyone watching now concerned in terms of the time spent will see what changes this week? to out and about, and yes, you can meet sum it up, use a quote from what the ata out and about, and yes, you can meet at a social distance of somebody from another household. that is the government has as an underlying advice coming as of wednesday, that philosophy, to return life to as close to normal as possible for as is step two, beginning no earlier than the first day of next month, many people as possible. that is what they are trying to get to, they the ist ofjune, than the first day of next month, the ist of june, relates than the first day of next month, the ist ofjune, relates to settings believe that this total lockdown is like nurseries and primary schools. the aim is that they will begin to unsustainable, the economy and reopen at that point, if the data mental health is suffering, and allows that to happen, as we heard there are areas with a pink they can
2:04 pm
from the prime minister last night be smarter, smarter controls can get thatis from the prime minister last night that is for those who are preschool them further ahead. there is no to nurseries but also for reception, timetable on these yet. what we are year one and year six, big crucial asking is whether it is possible for critical question. how many of those children can go back if they are people to expand their household going to maintain social distance at group to include another household in the group, so you might want to school? the advice is all of those include your parent cosmic group yea rs school? the advice is all of those years should be able to go back because the other years at primary school won't be there so they can be spread out around a school premises. are, the kids and families can drop in and out. —— parent bars might but it can be up for head teachers to decide how they do it any group or a in and out. —— parent bars might rou orasister‘s in and out. —— parent bars might practical sense. the aim, the group or a sister's group. they are ambition, is that all primary school children in england should return trying to see if it is possible to for a month of before the summer, make sure that you can arrange small the summer holidays start in late weddings. at the moment it is july, about the 20th ofjuly. that essentially impossible to get a suggests a relatively rapid increase group of ten people together for a wedding andi in the numbers attending school, if group of ten people together for a wedding and i wanted to see... to this timetable is stuck to. the examine how you can enable people to document makes clear everything is gather in slightly larger groups to conditional on keeping the virus in better enable small weddings. we are
2:05 pm
check and so everything can be looking to try and allow nannies and delayed, the brakes can be slammed childminders to get back to work. on pretty quickly. as far as that is quite difficult, you have children are concerned, it is worth got somebody else coming into the emphasising that schools are beginning to reopen at the beginning household, but it is very much part of the plan that childminders and of next month but as far as children nannies it should be able to comment using playgrounds is concerned, that ban remains in place. the chief perhaps wearing face masks, and those are generally quite a strong scientific adviser making a point in just the last couple of minutes on pa rt those are generally quite a strong part of this document. the the briefing call that a key element suggestion is not that should have of transmission is touching, to wear these coverings the time services being touched by those who but, we are social distancing is not are infectious and therefore the possible, that is the moment that these coverings are necessary. virus being transmitted. in playgrounds there is a greater likelihood of that and the judgment is that a school setting is more possibly on public transport, some important in terms of education shops, that is a suggestion that children down to as young as two rather than recreation. let's talk yea rs old about face masks, face coverings. children down to as young as two years old could wear those face the advice from the government in coverings, but not under the age of this document is that people should two. the government got itself in a wear a face covering, a home—made bit of a mess today. dominic raab face covering, not something used by said this morning on the radio that those in a medical or clinical or you could meet both parents if you ca re those in a medical or clinical or care setting if they are going to be wa nted you could meet both parents if you wanted to meet them at a safe distance, but that is clearly not
2:06 pm
in an enclosed space, for instance the case because governments say you on public transport. there is not a could spend more time outdoors you can only need one person from legal requirement to wear a face outside your household. yes, dominic covering. why? because we are told raab got that completely wrong in the advice from the scientists was terms of the rules laid out this sufficiently mixed that it may or morning. from wednesday, the rule is may not be a vast additional that you can meet somebody from benefit, but it wasn't worth outside your house, keep socially imposing it as a law. the understanding is that wearing one distance, have a chat, i am sure may help you prevent passing on the lots of people have found themselves doing that by accident, meeting virus in the days you can have it but be asymptomatic and that is why people in parts, you can do that by it is useful in an enclosed public arrangement, but what they do not wa nt spaces such as public transport. arrangement, but what they do not want is for that to grow and grow, looking further down the track there so the rule is one other person from isa outside your household. that is looking further down the track there is a hope, a little later, there might be the possibility of seeing almost impossible to police, so i can see that being a general other businesses and sporting events guidance rule rather than one where taking place behind closed doors. no you will end up with one of these prospect any time soon of us being new, largerfines from you will end up with one of these new, larger fines from the police that are going to be used for able to get a haircut, that is not enforcement. it also says that you likely to happen any time before can go in your car and drive as far july. i am sure you will have many as you want, but not if it involves
2:07 pm
more questions that i will attempt to a nswer more questions that i will attempt to answer as well. it is my turn, is crossing a border with another nation. how easy would that be to it? let me pick up on step one. one enforce ? nation. how easy would that be to enforce? not easy at all, because thing that seemed to be confusion about this morning, dominic raab got the police in scotland and wales will have better things to do than this wrong, because it says you can standing on the roads at borders and only meet one person from outside checking whether people have got a your household. now it was put to good reason to be coming from england into wales or england into dominic raab this morning, what if you want to meet both your parents scotland. this goes into the guidance section of the and he said it is all right, but according to this it isn't. it announcement. there is no doubt that isn't, the advice is it should be the rural areas of all the nations one person beyond your household. the tricky thing here, and this has are very against the idea of lots come up again and again, is there and lots of people turning up from more infected parts of the uk to go seems to be some arbitrary lines being drawn in the sand. there is an for walks. the government is very acknowledgement that lines have to be drawn somewhere because this is much not telling people they cannot about keeping the transmission rate do that, they are almost actively down. bluntly, about keeping the transmission rate down. blu ntly, because about keeping the transmission rate down. bluntly, because the rules apply to all of us each of us encouraging people to go out and travel further for exercise, but following the rules magnifies up and because the regulations are going to therefore, if you are in the park a because the regulations are going to be different, more substantially different than they have been in
2:08 pm
meeting both of your parents, and wales and scotland than... the are everybody else's, you get into a situation where there is a crowd. not wanting this document to suggest they are saying you can meet with that you can pile to snowdonia from one person from beyond your household. you can meet somebody else a little later on but the —— liverpool and go hiking because thatis —— liverpool and go hiking because that is not what the rules in wales desire is to keep those numbers of are going to say. thank you very meetings restricted. by the way, as much. let us go to chris mason who far as meetings are concerned, they have to be in a public space rather joins us from westminster. the car overnight was for more clarity, have than inviting your friend we got it? i think we are beginning have to be in a public space rather than inviting yourfriend or relative or whoever it might be to get it as we play through the around to your own garden. there are going to be some mps who are going document. i think the reality is that we knew was tiptoeing towards to be unhappy, this is supposed to be debated later on this afternoon. normality, a long way off, is going the prime minister is addressing the to be something that was always comments at 3:30pm and yet here we going to provoke many questions are, talking about it before that. because there was not a blanket measure that apply to all of us for there will be, the perpetual those seven weeks that started with argument about whether parliament should come first or the people the prime minister's address to the should come first or the people should come first is one that was nation. picking up on what daniel made by sir lindsay hoyle at the commons last week, a little bit of a was saying they are about practicalities of travel, jibe at borisjohnson which he acknowledged and hence he is coming
2:09 pm
particularly the nerves on rural before parliament this afternoon. i areas about the potential deluge of think they are conscious in the people coming for fresh air, there context of a mask munication exercise, they want to be seen aren't any restrictions in england talking to as many people as on people being able to travel as possible, hence the prime minister far as they want in order to stretch doing his prime—time tv address last night and doing another one in the their legs, and we did it to the form of a news conference on taking government on this conference, we we re questions from the public, again at government on this conference, we were pa rt of government on this conference, we were part of just government on this conference, we were part ofjust before two o'clock seven o'clock tonight. to try and about what happens if the lake district is suddenly packed out with tourists? the government says they will keep an eye on things and there ensure the maximum number of eye balls ensure the maximum number of eyeballs hearing the advice. thank is clearly a limit beyond what you very much for that. our home people can do, because the pubs and the restaurant and cabbies will not affairs correspondent is here with be open in the short term. the me now, you have the document in front of you. schools, something government emphasis is that the that a lot of people are interested likelihood of spreading the virus outside is much smaller than it is m, that a lot of people are interested in, we are hearing there that step two, no earlier than the ist of inside, and so there is the june, is to try and get years one potential that plenty of people will and six back to school, but before head to tourist spots, but they are that more vulnerable children, there not allowed to stay overnight. is pressure to get them back? we are either self catering or holiday starting to learn more about the homes that the family might own. plan. first of all, a desire to get there are still restrictions on what people can do when you get to
2:10 pm
wherever it might be, not least the the number of people in schools now above 2%, to get more of the are going to go home at the end of the day, they might be limited what vulnerable children back into we can do beyond walking around, but school. i think if there is any reason for your kid to be in school, the appeal of being able to do that, when the restrictions have been so for reasons of vulnerability, then tight one, mike stepped plenty to they should be in school, the get into the car. thank you. let us schools can handle that. then not earlier than during the first, and we have to keep saying not earlier than, because it may not be during get into the car. thank you. let us get more reaction to how the new long—term rules will affect schools. the first, that is when reception your one and year six primary let's speak to geoff barton, general secretary at the association schoolchildren will be going back to of school and college leaders. school. that is not the only sets of is this going in the right primary schoolchildren the government wants to get back before direction? i represent 19 and a half the end of the summer term, they have an ambition to get all primary schoolchildren in england back for thousand school and college leaders at least a month before the end of who are by definition control the summer term. the end of the freaks. too much of this is out of our control and what we are seeing summer term is late july, the summer term. the end of the summer term is latejuly, that means they are trying to get all primary school kids back into class before is that there is some knowledge around science that we do not have the end ofjune. that is quite a and we have to have the reassurance substantial development and also, as about that. one bit of surprise that
2:11 pm
we have said previously, an ambition to get year ten and your 12 kids, was announced last night by boris johnson is that we are going to have kids who have got gcse and a—levels next year, to get some face time social distancing in schools, if we with teachers this year. a lot of are going to have that, and it is happening in other parts of the pa rents with teachers this year. a lot of parents rely on their parents, world, that makes it surprising that nannies, childminders. is there the first show did you bring it to anything to address where they are school is the very youngest, the going to stand on this? no, and i think that is one of the big year onejordan, school is the very youngest, the year one jordan, the ones school is the very youngest, the year onejordan, the ones who will find it hardest to understand in the dilemmas about primary school children. you go to pick up kids teacher to be owed to control that. from school and it is lots of grandparents that are there at the it seems that, whilst of course that school gate. that is not being dealt isa it seems that, whilst of course that is a mission to bring children back with directly. but there is a phrase in as appropriate when it is safe, it would have made more sense to which runs through this document bring the year five is back in, which runs through this document which is the word smart or smarter, it would have made more sense to bring the yearfive is back in, year sixes, older students, those in the they are trying to do smarter middle of gcses, and we have regard controls. what we have been doing to the government and we are a bit disappointed to have something which thus far is blunt, everything stops seems so counterintuitive. we are apart from the absolute essentials. hearing that face coverings are i think apart from the absolute essentials. ithink in apart from the absolute essentials. being recommended for public i think in that time people have started to work out how they can do transport and host gatherings. what some things in their lives while about the issue of ppe in schools? maintaining social distancing. we it is one of the questions we have have all got an eye about how fat
2:12 pm
two metres are, i think what the been asking at the department for government are hoping is that we can education has been dismissive of the idea of it but when we lit up the start to do more and more with those lessons that we have learned in the odds, i was reading french guidelines for teachers today, they last few weeks. as we heard from need to have two face masks, one for chris, recommendations are to wear the morning and one for the face masks in public transport and afternoon. if that is what you are going to do in france added other enclosed spaces, but how is that countries, why would we do that going to be enforced? a lot of year? it is a case of we do not need police federations have expressed a considerable disquiet about how they to rush any of this, we must have can operate what our clear guidance from the medical recommendations, presumably?” can operate what our recommendations, presumably? ithink we are going to move into a phase professionals, from scientists, in where we rely on people's common order to be issued notjust that but sense and the concern that people pa rents order to be issued notjust that but parents dropping off a four or like the police federation have as five—year—old or a ten—year—old, to there are lots of people who don't have much common sense, and that is be greeted by a member of staff any where the difficulty comes. i think facemasks, so that it will not speak the government, at the very least, them when that happens. is it a has taken a leap that we need to now practical issue? if you are talking start relying more on people's about social distancing within common sense in some of these schools, any parent is going to see that that will be a problem. limited areas. they are very clear, schools, any parent is going to see that that will be a problemlj schools, any parent is going to see by the way, in the document about that that will be a problem. i think the practical issue is a very significant one, because what we
2:13 pm
sporting and cultural events behind know is, whether it is the 1st of closed doors. from june the ist, not june or later in the new year, not all staff will be back, some will be earlier than, they want to get behind closed doors, sports and south isolated because they will be vulnerable to the disease, therefore cultural events for broadcast. you can see this goes beyond the if you have not got as many staff as premiership which has been talked you would need to be able to run a about endlessly, but perhaps full year group, by definition what theatres and may be music you would have to do is bring in performances taking place with a smaller groups, and social distancing would mean you would need very limited number of people whilst smaller groups in any case. none of us smaller groups in any case. none of socially distancing with broadcast us should delude ourselves that when cameras so millions of people can this happens it is going to look then watch at home. i think one of anything like normal schooling. i think there was a different way in then watch at home. i think one of the things people have been missing which the government could have done is that shared sense of watching live events. i think the government this. it could have said that those children who are priority pupils, are quite keen, it is in their six the most vulnerable, why don't we start with them, whatever it is good they are in, and why don't we bring things they are trying to get going them back to the cabin the trusted afterjune the ist, is permitting culture and sporting events to take adults in schools? in small numbers? place behind closed doors.“ culture and sporting events to take this could see how they are coping place behind closed doors. if you wa nt to place behind closed doors. if you want to get into your car you can, you can drive as far as you want but and that i think would have allowed you're not allowed to go into for a very careful and staged return which would be rooted in the needs another nation. don't cross the of the most needy young people in
2:14 pm
border, this goes to the heart of our society. none of us have been the problem that the westminster government is having with trying to make sure the other nations march through anything like this before. what sort of input are you having alongside them a bit. of course, to with the governments? whether what alongside them a bit. of course, to a degree there is some politics you have just said with the governments? whether what you havejust said is with the governments? whether what you have just said is a with the governments? whether what going on, the other nations are you havejust said is a conversation thatis you havejust said is a conversation that is being had at the correct flexing their muscles a bit and level? we have been having what we saying we are not going to take thought were very constructive can regulations, westminster has different concerns, infection rate isa different concerns, infection rate is a little bit higher in wales and conversations with the department scotla nd is a little bit higher in wales and scotland at the moment. that is making people a little bit for education, they absolutely get uncomfortable but there is the all of this, but i think what we are ridiculous situation where somebody who lives in england on the welsh seeing is some of the practicalities border can drive all the way along of what we would be staying with the to the coast of east anglia to go to the coast cannot cross five miles department being overruled by number ten, and when we first heard last across the border into wales under night that this was going to be the sets of rules, but to be honest about bringing in reception, with you no one is going to police bringing in yearone, about bringing in reception, bringing in year one, bringing in year six, that was the first we had that. that is just what they are heard of it and that is completely asking people to do because of the not in accordance with what we would different rules in the different nations. thank you very much for be recommended, when we think some older children would be far better that. let's see how the business world has responded to this, our to deal with social distancing and business presenterjoins a me now.
2:15 pm
their parents would probably feel that they could trusted the decision they were calling for clarity, a lot to ta ke that they could trusted the decision to take schools back. what would of businesses, have they got it now? motivate the government to do that? well, it is hard to know. it might yes, yes and no, it is interesting, be the research that now is that the if you look at the 60 page report, younger the child, the less prone it is titled our plan to rebuild and they are to the illness. it is the in large part, there are some really kind of mantra. but the school cannot just sew up kind of mantra. but the school cannotjust sew up with children, the outflow of children and adults interesting things in this that referred specifically to business, we talked about sporting events, who are caring for them, and then you have the parents dropping them off and picking them up, so what we cultural events, schools but this is would score on the government to also about getting us back to work make sure that something as significant as this, this is not in the report says the longer the virus affects the economy, the greater the risk of long—term like closing the school because of scarring, permanently lower economic snow, the stakes are much higher, so activity with business failure is thatis snow, the stakes are much higher, so that is why we would call from the government, whether it is the persistently high, lower earnings. treasury or the department for the government is trying to balance education, to make sure they are the conflicting advice. the priority working with the profession, because isa the conflicting advice. the priority is a health issue but also getting ultimately the people parents won't us is a health issue but also getting us back to work and the economy trust the most ivy leaders and moving again is because behind that. you have heard a lot about the three teachers in their community to make have done the planning to make sure
2:16 pm
stages, steps one, two and three. as it is safe to open the schools. far as step one is concerned very thank you for your time. we were little changes for business, we heard from the prime minister last night. there is some confused talking about france and france has reasoning this morning about whether you should go to work and in it, it started lifting many of its restrictions after one of the log is makes it clear that all workers who not grounds in europe. it has been cannot work from home should go to divided into different zones, paris ina red divided into different zones, paris work but only if the workplace is in a red zone due to covid—19 still open and covid—i9 safe. so many being active. 0ur correspondence sent this update from the french questions about what constitutes as covid—i9 safe. that means is their capital. after exactly eight weeks of lockdown, this is what d health provision in place, ppe available, are you able to properly confinement means in paris. in the social distance? but also raises lots of questions about how you cinema, team much old posters are might get there, as public transport open and safe to use? some estimates still up. there is some traffic at the shop to bizet. 0n the metro, some are coming and going with is that even at full capacity, the people having to wear masks, and london underground and buses not running at full capacity, but even please avoid the rush hour. if boris if they were able to have them all johnson is looking to france for running with social distancing in some kind of guidance on what it place, they could only get 15—20% of looks like to come out of lockdown any given day, then this is passengers on the services. even if
2:17 pm
something of a clue. if you also your workplace is open, can you get tell people that they should really there safely? and many adults, many continue, as far as possible, to pa rents, there safely? and many adults, many parents, will not be able to get keep working from home and come out back to work until the children are only cautiously, then people will back to work until the children are back at school. some clarity on what follow that, because this is not a may open when but still outstanding big return to what it was like questions about things like schools before, it is a very gradual and because until those children are partial return to activity. you are back at school, parents cannot be considering going back to work. smaller businesses, retail, what watching bbc news, headlines... 0r about them ? is smaller businesses, retail, what about them? is there a date, workers who cannot work from home something to give them some hope? she travelled to their workplace if it is open but avoid using public there is, but as you heard from transport. for the first time, the government is advising people should daniel, it is all about not before. aim to wearface we are talking about businesses government is advising people should aim to wear face coverings in enclosed spaces, like public potentially reopening, businesses transport. from wednesday, people that have not opened so far may be can beat one person from outside the able to come in from step two, household and drive to outdoor open spaces, irrespective of distance. opening nonessential retail when it is safe to do so, but crucially that excludes sectors such as hospitality now for your questions answered. and personal care, and chris touching on the idea of a beauty treatment or haircut, not to happen
2:18 pm
for the ist ofjune. but step three is where most businesses might be able to consider when they can start we have been getting lots of operating normally again, they talk questions on the prime minister and about remaining businesses, so i spent night, about using log including those hair salons and beauty parlours, hospitality, pubs demonstrations. with me is nathalie macdermott clinical lecturer and hotels might be able to do so, in infectious diseases at king's college london and i'm also joined thatis and hotels might be able to do so, by robert west professor that is by the 4th ofjuly, no of health psychology earlier. public places, in it at university college london. includes places of worship and thank you both forjoining us. we leisure facilities, including are very short on time, so i will cinemas. but clearly that involves get to the first question. this is lots of changes to how those businesses operate, they can from h hudson. i really don't understand the new advice about needing one person at a time from sufficiently social distance and can people move within those venues outside your household, my teens now think they can go out each day i meet a friend, potentially a friend safely. some businesses are saying each day, potentially more than one, is this right? they think i can they can operate in some shape or for maybe being able to sell coffee. drive them to the rendezvous, leave them there unsupervised, then pick them there unsupervised, then pick them up. is that what number ten has but can they bring the staffing if a nine? natalie? ithink they are only going to sell half of
2:19 pm
them up. is that what number ten has a nine? natalie? i think what the their normal output? they have to start doing the numbers now to work government is essentially trying to say is that people can no meet up out whether it is financially viable to do so. what is interesting in the but they don't want people meeting report is it makes clear and acknowledges the efforts that up but they don't want people meeting up as groups —— but they don't want people meeting up as groups —— now but they don't want people meeting up as groups —— now meet up. you businesses have gone to to try and wa nt to up as groups —— now meet up. you want to limit the amount of people you have contact with. i don't think adapt their businesses, it talks that meeting up with a different about businesses being highly friend all day, every day really innovative, developing new ways of doing business. we have seen all fits within what the government is sorts of organisations offering saying. i think they are simply things like online delivery, or mail trying to help people in terms of order or being able to sell from the their mental health, by saying that front of the shop rather than having you can meet up with one individual, customers inside. business is if you are outside and you still finding a way but fundamentally this is about cost versus return, is it need to maintain a social distance, worth getting the staffing and so you still have to be two metres paying them? worth getting the staffing and paying them ? paying worth getting the staffing and paying them? paying the overheads of being open and if they are not able apart, so in terms of your to make as much money as they teenagers, if you believe you can normally do, because we know with trust them to maintain that social things like hospitality for example, distance, then possibly it is ok, the profit margins on what they are but i do not think we are supposed buying and selling for, are pretty to be driving people all over the slim. it might mean they get place. it would be more a matter of squeezed and in some cases it might meeting someone outside of the household for a period of time, not be financially viable to open until you can have the sort of possibly relatively short, just to improve morale and mental health,
2:20 pm
prowess would expect. in many rather than driving to a different leisure facilities, the entire friend was my coach. professor, it reason you would want to go to a concert is because of the crowd, isa friend was my coach. professor, it is a problem of the governmental because of the atmosphere, may be to a resta u ra nt approach, and that people won't read because of the atmosphere, may be to a restaurant or a bar, the same thing. until those crowds can what you want to read into the return, i think many are looking at instructions? yes, it is. ithink that unfortunately it has gone by this really cautiously indeed. thank you very much for that. sorry about the —— badly wrong in terms of the sound quality. i want to bring government communication. i think what we really need to rely on is you the latest figures. getting the supplying our own common sense to death toll for the uk, this is the what they are saying. certainly, i department of health figures, public think the intention behind the government's approach is to say that health england and their equivalents this is only a very limited and gradual easing of these in wales, northern ireland and scotland. they say the death toll has risen by 210 to 30,065. —— 30 restrictions, taking into account certain things that we know, one of which is that the infection rate outside the home, or outside in 2065. deaths in all that settings parks, is very low. the key thing to following positive coronavirus tests remember always is that it is really and this is the period from up to important to maintain a physical four o'clock in the afternoon on
2:21 pm
sunday. full details there of the distance, the six feet or two metres, and to restrict the number latest death toll. a petition by of people that you come into contact with. that is the key thing. i have another question. the prime minister said that people can i visit parks pa rents latest death toll. a petition by parents saying they want to have the choice about sending the children and pseudo— families, but my concern back to school has already gained is that when people visit spot a pc, 400,000 signatures since yesterday. surely this will create a threat to lets talk to the head teacher of people living in these areas? we are charles dickens primary school in su btle people living in these areas? we are subtle —— we saw that in snowdonia. south london. i think you're a thousands of families will flock to co—signature to this letter, why send it? no, i wasn't. areas of beauty, how can you avoid this? it is a problem. i think we co—signature to this letter, why send it? no, iwasn't. i cannot wait will have to see what happens and, to have my children back into school again buti again, i will have to see what happens and, again, lam will have to see what happens and, to have my children back into school again but i think we need to make again, i am afraid, because of the sure that our schools can be safe confusing messaging, ithink again, i am afraid, because of the confusing messaging, i think people places for our children and our are going to have to take responsibility for themselves for employees to return to, which is why how they behave in this situation. we wa nt employees to return to, which is why ifa we want really clear detailed guidance from the government on how how they behave in this situation. if a small number of people go out we can do that safely. as during the into beauty spots and take advantage first, which boris johnson of them, and are able to maintain we can do that safely. as during the first, which borisjohnson says is at the earliest, is that a good date
2:22 pm
that physical distance, then it will for you? would at the earliest, is that a good date for you ? would that at the earliest, is that a good date be relatively safe. but if everyone for you? would that work? —— june the 1st. it would depend on the goes to the same place at the same detail and clarity we get the time then you cannot. what we will guidance. it is going to be about see in that situation is the local the mechanics of social distancing and hand washing in school, but it is also about listening to those authorities, the local areas, taking very personal stories. the families matters into their own hands in order to provide the necessary guidance and restrictions, and the we re very personal stories. the families were a child may have to travel on la st guidance and restrictions, and the last thing that we want to see is public transport, we have heard them closing off these facilities today, where a mask, we are a family completely, because of their being may be shielding, someone with a health condition, where a parent is overwhelmed is, but of course that weighing up whether the impact of a isa overwhelmed is, but of course that is a risk. i think we all have a child's mental health and learning being at home is outweighed or not responsibility to apply our own common sense in the absence of clear by the risks of sending them to governmental guidance. one for you, school. it is complex, which is why natalie. we are a couple, over 70 the government's guidance does need yea rs of natalie. we are a couple, over 70 to bejoined the government's guidance does need to be joined up the government's guidance does need years of age. we are fed with no to bejoined up across the government's guidance does need to be joined up across all sectors so we can head in the direction the underlying illnesses and we exercise daily by walking. can we be allowed government wants us to head in. in the government proposals, more details to come later on. i am to visit our mother who is in a reading some of them, a phased ward? will to visit our mother who is in a ward ? will stand to visit our mother who is in a
2:23 pm
return for earlier settings and ward? will stand outside to look at the window. what do you think of schools, reception years one and six being back in school in smaller that? the government advice, those who are over the age of 70 but have sizes. how would that work? again, not been officially asked to shield, this is why we are going to need is that people... they can go out some guidance. different schools but they are strongly advised to try have different sized classrooms, different numbers of staff who are and avoid social contact were ever possible. i think when it comes to available to teach, so the more visiting a family member who is clarity we can have and the more particularly vulnerable and frail, reassuring is that the guidelines will allow us to open safe spaces to thatis particularly vulnerable and frail, that is a reasonable justification both learn and work, the better to go out, but i think the advice really. we a re both learn and work, the better really. we are calling on the would be to almost certainly not go government to make sure that into any kind of nursing home. if guidance is really, really detailed for us. you're going to have to you can maintain a distance and think about things like timetables speak through a window, that would around communal spaces, also masks. be appropriate, providing you are also maintaining distance from other can you teach if you are wearing a people in the vicinity of the home. mask? well, i think that is to be we have seen quite a significant decided. i think there are issues spread of covid—19 within nursing homes and so it would not be around the closeness, ironically, advisable to go into a nursing home that we have gained in teaching to protect yourself but also to virtually. we know more about our protect your mother. thank you for families than we have ever known before and communities have really that. professor, should people have
2:24 pm
come together. we need to take all of those good things into the future been feuding return to work?m and make sure that social that. professor, should people have been feuding return to work? is a brief question. it is a brief distancing, if that needs to happen in schools, doesn't become a barrier question with what would normally be to building close relationships with a long answer, but this time is children in person again. we are all short. by and large, if you are a familiar now with social distancing and what it means. i have to say, student, then you are in a very how would that work in the school of responsible position in regard to another person or people you are 20-30 how would that work in the school of 20—30 children in one room? how do shielding, by and large it would not you do it? i don't know is the a nswer to you do it? i don't know is the answer to that question. i think we are all learning at the same time as be reasonable to expect you to have to go back to work. bearing in mind the government is learning, we are at the beginning of a journey and we that you are possibly going to be are very much hoping that schools move along, we are going to get lots putting yourself at risk of contracting the virus and, while you of guidance on whether that is may be ok, the person you are a indeed practical or necessary in a student might not be. this is an school. the more help and guidance area that requires more clarification from government but on and clarity we can get over the balance i think the situation coming days, the better and the less remains as it was. thank you. this anxious and stressful this job of another pivot for school leaders one from angela, while testing will be. you are saying you need
2:25 pm
positive for covid—19, are you not more information, more detail, but retested before returning to work as the national education union has said this is nothing short of mark if not you might be running the reckless, this plan. well, i think the unions are doing the right thing risk of —— if it aren't then you in representing the voices of their might be running the risk of passing members. but we have to remember we it onto someone else. no one has an haven't yet had the detailed a nswer it onto someone else. no one has an answer for it onto someone else. no one has an guidance yet from the government and answerfor this. i it onto someone else. no one has an answer for this. i think that a very good question and i would actually i think when we have that, then we agree that people should be tested can look at it and ask the and people should be consecutively questions, and probably quite rightly very challenging questions tested negative before returning to that need to be asked, but in a work, especially if they are working with vulnerable populations, but i space where we know the direction we think that the reason behind the are travelling in, i think it is decision has to do with the virus difficult to make accusations of recklessness when we don't actually can't be present for quite a long know what the government is asking time in some individuals are not very long and others, so i think the us know what the government is asking us to do yet. but you, yourself, you are keen to get back to work? really government has tried to take a reasonable decision in terms of what keen, iam keen are keen to get back to work? really keen, i am keen to have the children back into school, we have missed is the likely period of time someone them dreadfully, but at the same might test positive for it and i time the school will have to be safe and we want to know what a safe bestow infections if they don't have symptoms and have recovered from the school looks like. cathy buchanan, owners completely? so we are trying good to talk to you, thank you for to make decisions based on that but your time this afternoon. thank you. i think if you are working would be
2:26 pm
very vulnerable, it would be we have in hearing there are sensible that people are tested and differences in how it restrictions test negative on at least two test will apply in different nations of before the return to work. one more the uk, earlier we heard from our question. what is the recommended correspondence in scotland, wales and northern ireland. the situation advice on wearing face masks? the in scotland is really breathtakingly simple, no change at all. today will be the same as yesterday and that situation is that the evidence is will continue for at least a week. equivocal. as far as the owners the only minor change is that people goes, we don't know, so we have to goes, we don't know, so we have to will be allowed to exercise more go on first principles. facemasks can obviously restrict the than once a day, but nicola sturgeon transmission of virus but they have made it clear in her briefing to be used safely and properly and earlier on, that doesn't mean there the risk with which we must try and isa earlier on, that doesn't mean there is a licence to sunbathe or go for avoid is if the act as contaminants picnics. it is not an excuse to go to the beach or the park to meet themselves, people touch the mask, friends, it is purely for the themselves, people touch the mask, the mask is contaminated, and any purposes of exercise. 0n schools, touch something else and transmit she made it clear they will not the virus that way. if you but i open, no schools will open on the don't use facemasks it is really important to use them properly and 1st ofjune and that therefore, in situations where you are most means it is quite unlikely that any schools will start before the needed, when indirectly direct face—to—face contact with someone beginning of the summer holidays else, and the idea to protect other which are earlier in scotland than
2:27 pm
people from you, and even people who they are in the rest of the uk, so are proponents of facemasks would they are in the rest of the uk, so the lockdown remains in place and it not be of the view that these are remains around me in glasgow, very going to particularly protect you from other people in the community, quiet. not much traffic on the roads, people still, as far as we can tell, adhering to the lockdown in the community it is there to protect other people from you. thank in scotland. we are in a garden you both very much forjoining us. ce ntre in scotland. we are in a garden centre here in wales, garden centres are one of the areas that first ministers said could reopen from today after he made his address on friday on the easing of restrictions he wanted to put in place for wales. alongside garden centres, we are seeing libraries and waste disposal we will get the rest of the sites open. the first minister mark afternoon news shortly and then we drake for it also saying people can will meet —— here for the prime go out exercise more than once a day as long as they stay local with the minister, but quickly for the members of theirown weather. as long as they stay local with the members of their own household. there has been criticism amongst welsh politicians after that address 00:27:51,855 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 by boris it felt like we —— it felt like we turned the wider back, but in that northerly wind you can see in the satellite picture from early on some
2:28 pm
speckled shower clouds. many places remained dry from what is left from today, with some spells of sunshine, there are showers in northern scotla nd there are showers in northern scotland but also in northern areas of the other countries. temperatures are nine to 14 degrees and it stays very windy out there. the winds will slowly ease as we go through tonight but we will see further showers pushing in and across northern parts of scotland. not as cold as last night across northern part of the uk. further south there will be spot close to freezing. high pressure out of the worst, but this frontal system pushing into northern scotla nd system pushing into northern scotland provides a renewed surge of cold air. there will be a lot of dry weather through the day with one or two showers breaking out, then our widerfront will bring two showers breaking out, then our wider front will bring this band of rain across northern scotland and cold air will tuck in behind it. there will be possible snow as a result, not just on
2:29 pm
there will be possible snow as a result, notjust on high ground either. those are your temperatures out for pm, just 5 degrees in aberdeen, but 13 degrees in glasgow. it isa aberdeen, but 13 degrees in glasgow. it is a predominantly dry day and the rest of the uk. 0ne it is a predominantly dry day and the rest of the uk. one or two showers, some cloud in the afternoon. through tuesday evening area band afternoon. through tuesday evening are a band of cloud and rain and some snow will continue to work site and will push away as we go into wednesday. a lot of dry weather on wednesday, a clear amount of cloud, and those temperatures will still be below par for many, 7 degrees and those temperatures will still be below parfor many, 7 degrees in aberdeen, cardiff and plymouth perhaps 15 degrees. as we go into wednesday and thursday, our western high pressure will start to build inns more strongly across the british isles which should cut off the feet of very cold air in the north and air will come from the north—west. it will not be a heatwave, but as we get into the
2:30 pm
week and those temperatures were left to the low 20s and there is lots of dry weather on the way.
2:31 pm
hello, this is bbc news. i'm ben brown. de headlines at 3pm. the government publishes a 50—page document laying out plans in three stages to ease lockdown restrictions in england. it says all workers who cannot work from home should travel to work if their workplace is open but avoid using public transport. for the first time, the advice is that people should wear a face—covering in enclosed spaces, such as on public transport or in shops. from wednesday, people can meet one person from outside their own household and drive to outdoor open spaces, irrespective of distance. the government says its ambition is for all school children to return to school before the summer, for a month, if feasible. the prime minister will present his strategy to parliament in half
2:32 pm
an hour's time and we'll bring that to you live. hello, good afternoon. the government has just published a 50—page document laying out plans in detail to ease lockdown restrictions in england. the ‘conditional plan' includes details on the quarantine, schools, which businesses might open and when, meeting people outside your household, and advice on face coverings. the timetable for lifting restrictions will be delayed if there's not sufficient progress in controlling the virus. the government is proposing a 3—step
2:33 pm
plan for england. from when state you should go to work if you cannot work from home and your workplace is open. the government is now advising that people should aim to wear face—coverings in enclosed spaces — for example on public transport or in shops. you can meet one person outside your household and you can drive to open spaces, irrespective of distance. the government's ambition is for all primary school children in england to return to school before the summer holidays, but only if feasible. and sporting events will be able to ta ke and sporting events will be able to take place behind closed doors no earlier than the 1st ofjune. 0ur political correspondent nick eardley is in parliament for us. the prime minister was criticised last night for a lack of clarity and causing some confusion but this is a pretty detailed document. it is indeed. there was that a strange period between his address last night and getting this document about an hour ago where there were a lot of
2:34 pm
questions being asked about specific exa m ples questions being asked about specific examples and we are starting to get the answers now and i suspect mps will be going through this with a fine tooth comb ahead of the statement in half an hour, to work out exactly what is in here and what potentially else they want to figure out. as you mentioned, there are those immediate changes which will come in on wednesday, some of which are fairly significant, like people being advised to wear face coverings when in enclosed spaces, if coming into co nta ct when in enclosed spaces, if coming into contact with people who they don't normally come into contact with. there are also government urging people who cannot work from home to go into work as long as they can find those socially distanced spaces can find those socially distanced s pa ces we can find those socially distanced spaces we know everybody is being advised to follow. also, there has been a bit of confusion about exactly who you can meet up with you don't live with. dominic raab, the foreign secretary, what on the radio
2:35 pm
this morning suggesting that potentially people could meet up with both of their parents if they did not live with them. not the case, absolutely not. these guidelines make it clear you can meet up with one person outside your household as long as it is outside and again, as long as you follow those social distancing rules. it's really important to point out that these guidelines referred to england, scotland, wales and northern ireland have their own m essa g es northern ireland have their own messages “— northern ireland have their own messages —— they refer to england. there are some differences such as in england, people are being told that if they want to go and exercise, they can thrive as far as they want to do that but that is not they want to do that but that is not the case outside england and certainly not in wales where people are being told to stay at local and as well as in scotland and northern ireland. and 50 pages of looking at it it it is three stages defined by date, this coming wednesday, and then the 1st of june date, this coming wednesday, and then the 1st ofjune and then the 4th ofjuly. that's absolutely right point of the stuff on wednesday is
2:36 pm
going to happen but the other two are very going to happen but the other two are very much based on what happens with that r rate we have heard so much about scientists and politicians about, the reinfection rate. if things are going well, that second phase will happen no earlier than the 1st of june second phase will happen no earlier than the 1st ofjune but the aim is for the first, and that could be a significant point for a lot of people around the country because thatis people around the country because that is when we could potentially start seeing that a phased reintroduction of the schools and nurseries. we know that at first it will just involve nurseries. we know that at first it willjust involve the early years, reception, year one and yet six pupils but the idea the government has is that all primary school children in england, according to the document, should return for a month before summer. again, it is conditional and not guaranteed. it is also at that stage that we might start to see something like sporting events being broadcast again, although they will not be with any
2:37 pm
supporters, they will all be behind closed doors and likewise some businesses could start to reopen potentially. than the third phase of the process, the 4th ofjuly, more businesses are starting to open and thatis businesses are starting to open and that is when you might start to see things like hairdressers and beauty salons opening again. all of this is supposed to be to get us an idea in england of how the uk government thinks things might start getting back to normal but it is not set in stone could i suspect we will hear that from boris johnson again stone could i suspect we will hear that from borisjohnson again in the next half an hour, that this is not a guaranteed diary of events and we should not set our clocks by it. it isa should not set our clocks by it. it is a guide and very much dependent on what happens with this virus over the next few weeks. nick, thank you very much. nick eardley, our political correspondent. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford is here. let's pick up on some of the detail and in particular the advice about face coverings. they should be worn,
2:38 pm
the aim is to wear them in places like shops and public transport. essentially, where you cannot socially distance effectively. in an office that is widely spaced and everybody is sitting well apart, or a workplace where you are widely spaced, the government is not saying it necessarily you should wear them but if you find yourself close to people and you cannot socially distanced, that is the point where, to prevent transmission, to prevent you transmitting it to others, you should wear a face covering. that is public transport and other enclosed spaces where you might bump into people you don't regularly see obviously not in the home, and the risk of infection is so high. and let's clarify what you can do in terms of meeting somebody from another household. dominic raab suggested earlier you could meet two people, may be both parents, but thatis people, may be both parents, but that is not right? i think that was
2:39 pm
total misunderstanding by the foreign secretary this morning to ponder the rules as laid out by the are quite clear, that you can meet a person from outside your household should be a group of no more than two, you and one other person, not you and the kids and your wife meeting the mother—in—law and father—in—law. that's not going to happen. you and one person. but that doesn't mean under the new rules you can go and play tennis in the park with somebody from outside your household because it is not a team sport and your only meeting one of the person and tennis is one of the new things you allowed to do. that is absolutely clear that there are possibilities for doing some kinds of sports with people outside your household as long as it is one against one. and people can now drive for leisure activities anywhere around england. we have seenin anywhere around england. we have seen in the last few weeks, the police complaining about beauty
2:40 pm
spots like the lake district becoming almost full of sightseers and tourists. there has been a lot of concern in places like the lake district and the derbyshire dales and so on, that people have been turning up, attracted to outdoor spaces and the initial government rules were to stay at home. that was the starting point and that was outside the government rules. that has now changed and it is quite clear that it would be permissible under the rules now to drive to anywhere in england that is a beauty spot as long as you get back to your own home that night. what you cannot do is start spending a night overnight in a second holiday home ora overnight in a second holiday home or a bed—and—brea kfast overnight in a second holiday home or a bed—and—breakfast or something thatis or a bed—and—breakfast or something that is out. but a day trip is fine. but if you're living in england, it cannot be outside england because the regulations in wales and scotla nd the regulations in wales and scotland and northern ireland remain much stricter. all of this we are talking about really only applies to england at the moment. if you think
2:41 pm
in terms of england is a phased approach, you can go and play tennis in the park, from wednesday, with one other person put it you might get your primary school kids off to school some time by the end ofjune but you can't get your hair cut until at least the beginning of july. get those scissors out! thank you very much indeed. daniel sandford, our home affairs correspondent. the advice says that those who can't work from home should be "actively encouraged to go to work". but how easy will it be for businesses to get up and running whilst also respecting social distancing rules? mike cherry is the national chairman of the federation of small businesses. hejoins us now he joins us now from hejoins us now from staffordshire. thank you for being with us. how do you read these guidelines? are you encouraged by them? clearly we believe what is coming out is going to be proportionate for many small businesses but what we have seen is the indication of a very long journey of travel. as we have heard,
2:42 pm
some places will be able to open, like garden centres in england, this wednesday. we will see others opening from the 1st ofjune and hopefully some primary school children going back to school so their parents can get to work as well. but for others it will be july or even longer depending very much on what happens to covid—19, whether it starts to re—occur in hotspots across the country or elsewhere. a timeline for some sectors that will need ongoing support and help. but for those small businesses that can reopen, certainly the guidelines are helpful. they need to make sure that those small businesses have the confidence for their employees and their customers to go back and support them. many small businesses desperately need that client and customer base to support them in the future as we come out of this. what you think has been the damage to
2:43 pm
small businesses? is the return to work when it comes, is it going to be too late for many small businesses in this country?” be too late for many small businesses in this country? i think for many small businesses, particularly in hospitality, leisure sectors, we still don't know when pubs might open for instance. we know that restaurants may open on the 4th ofjuly. but at a much reduced number of covers that they can have people in serving. may be 30 or 40%. and unfortunately, as we all know, the fixed costs remain there so what happens with furloughing or whatever comes in place to help businesses going forward needs to be more flexible. and we need to get as many small businesses back up and running safely as we possibly can, as soon as we can. i'm sure you might not have had time to read all of the document published by the government but are you satisfied from what you have heard with the level of detail
2:44 pm
it includes, particularly these three key dates, wednesday, the 1st ofjune, and the 4th ofjuly? as i said, ithink ofjune, and the 4th ofjuly? as i said, i think we have seen the journey of travel but we still wait for more detailed guidance on what social distancing means in different types of workplaces and indeed for the self—employed, getting back into servicing, homeowners, builders, electricians, plumbers, those people will have some guidelines issued as well. confidence remains fairly key for employees, householders are tradesmen and indeed for employers, andi tradesmen and indeed for employers, and i think we havejust tradesmen and indeed for employers, and i think we have just got to look at what the guidance says, make sure that small businesses are well able to comply with those and reopen with our support as quickly as possible. for some sectors, that will be incredibly difficult. many small businesses, as we know, have taken on extra loans, whether it be under
2:45 pm
the bounce back loan and that all has to be paid back. it's going to bea has to be paid back. it's going to be a struggle for many businesses into the rest of the year i suspect. and i'm sure those small businesses you represent are champing at the bit to get back to work and reopen, but i suppose the worry for people like pub owners and managers and restau ra nt like pub owners and managers and restaurant owners is, will the public want to come back to those pubs and restaurants and so on whenever they do reopen? one would hope that they can but, as i mentioned, it is confidence that is going to need to be restored and there are many people obviously very worried indeed about whether it is safe to go out and about. you are already seeing questions around public transport and social distancing, the wearing of masks in retailers and indeed on public
2:46 pm
transport. people need to be sure that they are safe, small businesses will absolutely play their part in making sure that they are safe places for their customers to visit, for shoppers to visit retailers, and indeed where possible make sure that their employees are absolutely safe before they return to work as well. mike cherry from the federation of small businesses, thank you. the prime minister announced new quarantine measures would be imposed on people coming into the uk to prevent covid—19 being brought in from overseas. as yet, no start or end date for the measures has been announced. the move puts further pressure on a travel industry already under considerable stress. dan johnson reports from manchester airport. the future of blowing means hiding your smile and the future of blowing means hiding yoursmile and a the future of blowing means hiding your smile and a hands of experience. this is a trial already
2:47 pm
under at sta nsted, east experience. this is a trial already under at stansted, east midlands and manchester. after dropping your bags at check—in, it's then about gloves and a face covering, and if you haven't brought your own, you can pick one up here, disposable gloves with the mask, and then it is a temperature check. thank you! yeah, i can't see any other way of doing it, until we get a vaccine, i think we are stuck with the ppe, it is the only thing we have got. it does make you feel a bit more safe, to be honest. i have heard contradicting things about gloves, and hospitals are saying, don't wear gloves and facemasks, so i don't really know, i am just following the rules. with departure screens at this back, you can see why the boss hopes he has found a way to reassure passengers it is only then being carried and not the virus. i think things will undoubtedly change, we will have new
2:48 pm
operational protocols, new training for staff, we may require masks, gloves and the use of new technology as we move into the future world. last night, the prime minister added his... i will serve notice that it will soon be the time, with transmission significantly lower, to impose quarantine on people coming into this country by air. we are told not yet, but it is expected to be for a fortnight and will include all means of transport except travellers from ireland and france. i surprise to airline bosses. it is definitely going to make it worse, there is nothing positive in what i heard the prime minister said yesterday, so we had been planning to resume on a pretty significant basis injuly, to resume on a pretty significant basis in july, but to resume on a pretty significant basis injuly, but we will have to review that based on what the prime minister said yesterday. many airports are now like this, car parks for planes. the aviation industry is making moves to get them
2:49 pm
backin industry is making moves to get them back in the ears of these don't become bone yards for redundant fleets. dan johnson, bbc become bone yards for redundant fleets. danjohnson, bbc news, at manchester airport. i would transport correspondent tom burridge is here to answer some of your questions on travel restrictions. thanks for being with us, let's run through them, from peter, if we are able to fly away on holiday in august, will we need to isolate for two weeks afterwards? some employers, like the nhs under nursing homes, might not be able to accommodate this, health workers may not be able to go on a well—deserved holidays. yes is the short answer, the only two countries that are exempt of the republic of ireland and france, but! exempt of the republic of ireland and france, but i understand it is not impossible that more countries will be added to the list. we met a doctor at stansted, a polish guy, nhs doctor, coming back from visiting his family, and he did not agree with the idea that he would have to sell isolate, he said it would not make a difference for him,
2:50 pm
and so there are exemptions, i am not sure about nhs workers at this point in time, but i know that people who will be exempt might include hauliers in the effort to get goods in and out of the country. another question from pauline, why is the government only planning on quarantining air passengers, why are passengers entering via the channel tunnel or by ferry not also to be quarantined? there has been confusion over this, the prime minister said last night it would apply to people arriving by air, but late last night government officials clarified that, actually, it would affect travel by train and from ports. i mean, if you think about eurostar, it does get confusing. in theory, because france is exempt, if you are coming from lille or paris, you are coming from lille or paris, you wouldn't have to isolate, but if you wouldn't have to isolate, but if you are coming, as things stand, from amsterdam or brussels, you would. number three is from mike, could anyone please explain — that is you! could anyone please explain
2:51 pm
the exemption of france from the quarantine measures that have been proposed? given that people can travel by train from most of europe to paris and then fly to the uk, this needs more thought. in other words, there is a potential loophole. a lot of people are raising the question, and i haven't got hold of someone today to put that point to them. look, i think there is a clear loophole on the face of it at least, that people could come into france and then travel across. i think, could come into france and then travelacross. ithink, like could come into france and then travel across. i think, like last week, it was the case that it was just going to be ireland was exempt according to the sources i was talking to. france was then added into the mix at a later date, there was a statement from number ten is that president macron and the prime minister had reached an agreement which meant the measures were reciprocal, without knowing but perhaps speculating that there were discussions behind the scenes once france got hold of this, they managed to negotiate that kind of deal. when other countries can also negotiate a deal and be exempt, we will have to see. you wonder whether
2:52 pm
countries whether countries with lower transmission rates might also, do negotiations and become exempt? it is an interesting point, because airlines have a series of proposals for government about what measures should be taken on aircraft to try and mitigate the risk of the virus being spread, and they categorise it into three groups apparently, and that really is based, the more extreme measures for a flight which has taken off or landed from a country where the virus is most prevalent. which takes us on two may's question, any measures to implement social distancing and avoiding infection during long haul flights whenever air travel is resumed? as far as i'm aware, there is no distinction at the moment between long—haul and short—haul. all airlines are looking at this, we spoke to a budget airline boss last week, he said, well, actually, masks are mandatory on their flight, they
2:53 pm
are mandatory on their flight, they are the norm at stansted, manchester, east midlands airport. all apples are looking at these measures, all airlines are looking at these measures. —— all airports. the catering will go on the flights, by and large, it has already during the pandemic, but for the foreseeable future you will get on, you will probably have to wear a mask on a lot of lights, you probably won't be able to get any food on board, although maybe there will be exemptions on long haul. some people are talking about limiting the amount people can move around the cabin, and airlines were proposing, in the most extreme cases, to or from flights where the virus is prevalent, may be saying that no—one can move around, but i guess you would be allowed to the loo. these other things that are being thought about the moment. one question that takes us back to the first comedy which some quarantine, from billy, how would this affect business flights? if the government
2:54 pm
imposes quarantine, does that mean business people cannot fly in voting days of meetings? the government is facing a two pronged attack on this, one from opposition mps raising the question, if it is necessary now, why didn't the government do it a while ago? about 100,000 people have come into the uk since the lockdown measures came in, and people are asking whether they should have been clear advice for people to self—isolate when they arrived. and then, secondly, it is from airlines and airports, you know, they have already been crippled, they are facing a lot of damage to their businesses, they have very high costs which have remained high throughout the pandemic, and they are getting no revenue because their flights are grounded. they are saying this will cripple us further, and we had the boss of iag, the pa rent and we had the boss of iag, the parent company of british airways, today telling mps that if the quarantine is in place, we might not run the number of flights we were hoping to from july. they were hoping to from july. they were hoping to from july. they were hoping to bring back some of their schedule injuly, hoping to bring back some of their schedule in july, he hoping to bring back some of their schedule injuly, he is saying that
2:55 pm
is effectively not possible. they are is effectively not possible. they a re really is effectively not possible. they are really concerned about the measure, and angry to some extent, and going back to the question of a business travel, that will be the worst hit, because our short trip over from worst hit, because our short trip overfrom new york worst hit, because our short trip over from new york to heathrow suddenly becomes a bit redundant for a business trip if you have to self—isolate for two weeks in the uk. briefly, that itself in isolation for two which, how is that please? you will give your address when you arrive? the government, in these documents that we have got, some interesting detail coming out, and one of them is that all international arrivals, even before this quarantine measure comes in, all international arrivals will have to supply a contact and accommodation information, like if you are going out of the eu and you get those cards on the plane to site where you are heading. but, actually, the other bit of detail is once this quarantine is in place, they are saying that if someone doesn't have private accommodation to head to, they will be forced to go into accommodation arranged by
2:56 pm
the government, which sounds a bit ominous, not a fun way to spend your time in the uk if you are coming for, i don't know, tourism or business. but potentially police could come to that address and do a spot check? the other thing we picked up when we were in stansted is that doctor from the nhs, he picked up when we were in stansted is that doctorfrom the nhs, he had to do is that doctorfrom the nhs, he had todoa is that doctorfrom the nhs, he had to do a two week quarantine in poland, so britain is not the only country doing these measures, and someone from germany said it was a good idea, they were already doing it, and another saying britain should have done it sooner. the polish doctor basically said that when he was in poland, he had the polish police coming to his house to check up on him. i am not sure whether we will see that here, but has been talk of £1000 fines. tom burridge, thank you for answering those questions. as we've heard, there are differences in how lockdown restrictions will apply in the different nations of the uk. earlier, we heard from our correspondents james shaw in scotland, tomos morgan in wales, and chris page in northern ireland. well, the situation in scotland is really breathtakingly simple. no change at all.
2:57 pm
today will be the same as yesterday, and that will continue for at least a week. the only minor change is that people will be allowed to exercise more than once a day. but nicola sturgeon made it clear in her briefing earlier on that that doesn't mean there is a licence to sunbathe or go for picnics, it is not an excuse to go to the beach or the park to make friends, it is purely for the purpose of exercise. 0n schools, she made it clear that they will not open, no schools will open on the 1st ofjune, and that therefore means it is now quite unlikely that any schools will start before the beginning of the summer holidays, which are earlier in scotland than they are in the rest of the uk. so the lockdown remains in place, and it remains around me here in glasgow very, very quiet, not much traffic on the roads, people still, as far as we can tell, adhering to the lockdown in scotland.
2:58 pm
so we're in a garden centre here in wales. garden centres are one of the areas that the first minister said can reopen from today, after he made his address on friday on the easing of restrictions he wanted to put in place for wales. alongside garden centres, we're also seeing libraries and waste—disposal sites open today, and the first minister, mark drakeford, also saying that people can go out to exercise more than once a day as long as they stay local with members of their own household. now, there has been criticism from most welsh politicians after that address by boris johnson. they feel that mrjohnson did not make it clear to the public that those easing of restrictions was made for england only and not to the rest of the uk. the first minister made his address on friday, as i mentioned. one of the other things that is different between wales and england that issue on schools. similar to the scottish government, the welsh government saying, absolutely no way will schools reopen on the 1st ofjune. they will reconsider that when they look again
2:59 pm
in another two weeks' time. so the message in wales is still exactly the same as it was before this weekend, before the bank holiday, it is stay at home, it has not changed, like in england. well, here in northern ireland, ministers at the stormont executive are meeting today to make decisions which are surely the most serious any devolved government here has had to decide upon, and that is, how to ease this part of the uk out of lockdown. so far, ministers sticking very much to the stay at home message. some indications that whenever an announcement is made, which might be tomorrow, if ministers agree, there could be some very minor relaxations of the existing restrictions and people perhaps able to exercise a little bit more. but ministers are very clear in saying that the process is going to be a very gradual one indeed. for example, it is extremely unlikely that schools here will reopen before september.
3:00 pm
the school holidays start at the beginning ofjuly, and no minister is suggesting that pupils will be going back to school before then. just over 500 deaths now linked to covid—19 in northern ireland, which is proportionately lower than other parts of the uk, but no—one is minimising the devastation it has caused to individual families and of course the wider damage to the economy caused by the need for the lockdown. so remember, this is the only part of the uk with a land border with another country, across the border in the irish republic, the exit strategy is set out in five dated phases, the first one kicks in this time next week, the last one is scheduled for the 10th of august. of course it is conditional on how the virus is controlled there. as well as ministers talking to their counterparts within the uk, they are also in close contact with ministers in the irish republic and there is a degree of co—operation. we also heard from chris page, tomos
3:01 pm
morgan and james shaw. nick eardley is our political correspondent, and the prime minister is about to make a statement to the house, and there has been some criticism, actually, of the government, the fact that borisjohnson made a televised address last night, the publication of the document at two o'clock, and parliament feels it is sort of coming third in a sense. i suspect that although those guidelines have come out, because johnson is still going to face quite a pressure over the next hours or so. we know the labour party is really unhappy with the way they are approaching the government. they cannot work from home, they should be going back to work in england. keir starmer has raised
3:02 pm
concerns about that and he is also quite concerned about the mixed message and, as he sees it, in the prime minister's statement last night and we might hear some of that from him. there will inevitably be questions about why the guidelines are so different in england from scotland, wales and northern ireland put at the snp are unhappy in scotla nd put at the snp are unhappy in scotland that borisjohnson has not made it clear that the plans are just for england at the moment. i suspect we will get more of those questions over the next while. it is worth pointing out for anyone who has not seen parliament, it's going to look very different. here is the prime minister. ...wecan we can come up with the utmost caution, gradually begin to rebuild our economy and reopen our society. for the last two months of the british people have faced a grave threat with common sense, compassion and unflinching resolve. we have to get observe the toughest restrictions on our freedoms in
3:03 pm
memory. changing our way of life on a scale unimaginable only months ago put it all our efforts have been directed towards protecting our nhs and saving lives. tragically, many families have lost loved ones before their time and we share their grief. yet our shared effort has subverted a still worse catastrophe, one that could have overwhelmed the nhs and claimed half a million lives. every day dedicated doctors, nurses and social care workers, medics and more have risked their own lives in the service of others and they have helped to cut the reproduction rate from between 2.6 and 2.8 in april, to between 0.5 and .9 today. the number of covid patients in hospital has fallen by over a third since easter sunday. 0ur armed forces joined the nhs to build new hospitals on timetables that were telescoped from years two weeks, almost doubling the number of critical care beds and ensuring that since the end of march, at least a
3:04 pm
third of always been available. our challenge now is to find a way forward that preserves our hard—won gains whilst easing the burden of lockdown and i will be candid with the house, this is a supremely difficult balance to strike. there can be no greater mistake than to jeopardise everything we have striven to achieve by proceeding too farand striven to achieve by proceeding too far and too fast. we will be driven not by hope or economic revival as an end in itself, but by data and science and public health. the government is today submitting to the house a plan which is conditional and dependent as always on the common sense and observance of the british people and on continual reassessment of the data. that picture varies across the regions and home nations of the united kingdom, requiring a flexible response. different parts of the uk may need to stay in full lockdown longer but any divergences should
3:05 pm
only be short—term. because, as prime minister of the uk, i'm in no doubt we must defeat this effect and face the challenge of recovery together. our progress will depend on meeting five essential tests. protecting the nhs, reducing both the daily death toll and the infection rate in a sustained way, ensuring that testing and ppe can meet future demand, which is a global problem, but one that we must fix, and avoiding a second peak that would overwhelm the nhs. a new uk widejoint bio—security would overwhelm the nhs. a new uk wide joint bio—security centre will measure our progress with a five stage covid alert system and the combined effect of our measures so far has been to prevent us from reaching a level five, a situation that would have been in which the nhs would have been overwhelmed, and to hold us at level four. thanks to the hard work and sacrifice of the
3:06 pm
british people, by following the social distancing rules, we are now ina social distancing rules, we are now in a position where we can move in stages to where i hope the scientific advice will tell us that we are down to level three. but this will only happen if everyone continues to play their part, to stay alert and to follow the rules. we must also deal with the epidemic in care homes, where a tragic number of the elderly and vulnerable have been lost, and while the situation is thankfully improving, there is a vast amount more to be done. and of course we need a world leading system for testing and tracking and tracing victims and their contacts andi tracing victims and their contacts and i am delighted that baroness harding, the chairof and i am delighted that baroness harding, the chair of nhs improvement, has agreed to take charge of a programme that will ultimately enable us to test hundreds of thousands of people every day. all this means that we have begun our descent from the peak
3:07 pm
of the epidemic, but ourjourney has reached the most perilous moment, where a wrong move could be disastrous. so at this stage, we can go no further than to announce the first careful modification of our measures. step one, in moving towards covid alert level three, a shift in emphasis that we can begin this week. anyone who cannot work from home should be actively encouraged to go to work in sectors that are allowed to be open should indeed be open but are subject to social distancing. these include food production, construction or manufacturing, logistics, distribution, scientific research and to support this, to explain this again, we are publishing guidance as to businesses on how to make these
3:08 pm
workplaces covid are safe and secure. people who are able to work from home, as we have continually said, should do so. people who cannot work from home should talk to their employers about returning this week and the difficulties they may or may not have. anyone with covid symptoms obviously, or in a household where someone else has symptoms, should self—isolate. we wa nt symptoms, should self—isolate. we want everyone travelling to work to be safe, so people should continue to avoid public transport wherever possible, because we must maintain social distancing which will inevitably limit capacity. instead, people should drive or better still, walk or cycle. with more activity outside our homes, we would now advise people to wear a cloth face covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible, and you are more likely to
3:09 pm
come into contact with people you don't normally meet. the reason is that face coverings can help to protect each other and reduce the spread of the disease, particularly if you have coronavirus —like symptoms. but this does not mean, i must stress this, this does not mean wearing medicalfacemasks must stress this, this does not mean wearing medical facemasks which must stress this, this does not mean wearing medicalfacemasks which must be reserved for people who need them. we have all lived so far with own us restrictions on outdoor spaces and exercise. —— —— onerous restrictions i know my key friend is a keen swimmer and u nfortu nately we key friend is a keen swimmer and unfortunately we cannot do anything forswimming unfortunately we cannot do anything for swimming pools but we can do something for lakes and the sea point of this is where we can go significantly further, because there isa significantly further, because there is a lower risk outdoors than indoors. from wednesday, there will
3:10 pm
be no limits on the frequency of outdoor exercise people can take. you can now walk, sit and rest in parks. you can play sports and exercise, and you can do all these things with members of your household, your own household, or with one other person from another household, provided you observe social distancing and remain two metres apart. and i do hope that is clear, mr speaker, unconscious people want to ask questions in more detail and i will be very happy to answer. we shall increase the fines for the small minority who break the rules, starting at £100 but doubling with each infringement, up to £3600. you can drive as far as you like to reach an outdoor space subject to the same rules, and the laws and guidance of the devolved
3:11 pm
administrations. i am sorry to say, however, that we shall continue to ask those who are clinically vulnerable, including pregnant women and people over 70, or those with pre—existing chronic conditions, to ta ke pre—existing chronic conditions, to take particular care to minimise contact with those outside the and we must continue to shield people who are extremely vulnerable. —— outside their household. they should remain at home and avoid any direct contact with others. i know that easing restrictions for many will only increase the anguish of those who must remain shielded so the government will look at every possible way of supporting the most vulnerable. mr speaker, all of our precautions will count for little if our country is reinfected from overseas so i give notice that we shall introduce new restrictions at uk border, requiring 14 days of self—isolation for international arrivals while respecting our common
3:12 pm
travel area ireland. every day we shall monitor our progress and if we stay on the downward slope, and the r remains below one, then and only then will it become safe to go further and move to the second step. this will not happen until the 1st ofjune at the earliest, but we may then be in a position to start the phased reopening of shops, to return children to early years settings including nurseries and childminders, returning primary schools giving priority to the youngest children in reception and youngest children in reception and you want and those in year six preparing for secondary school, and to enable secondary school facing exams next year to get at least some time with their teachers. 0ur ambition, and! time with their teachers. 0ur ambition, and i stress this is conditional, is for all primary school pupils to return to the classroom for a month before the summer break. to those ends, we are publishing guidance on how schools might reopen safely. step two could
3:13 pm
also include allowing cultural and sporting events behind closed doors for broadcast which i think would provide a much—needed boost to national morale. but nothing can substitute for human contact and so the government has asked sage when and how we can safely allow people to expand their household group to include one of the household on a strictly reciprocal basis. finally come no earlier than july, strictly reciprocal basis. finally come no earlier thanjuly, and unconscious you want me to wind up... unconscious you want me to wind . i unconscious you want me to wind up... idid unconscious you want me to wind up... i did say ten minutes. perhaps would it be in if i requested that my interrogation could continue a little longer in order for me to make these points? no earlier than july. we may be able to move to step three if and only if supported by the data and the best scientific advice. we would then aim to reopen some remaining businesses including potentially hospitality, cinemas and hairdressers as well as places of worship and leisure facilities. and
3:14 pm
this will depend on maintaining a social distancing and new ways of providing services. we will phase and pilot any reopening to ensure public safety. i must be clear again, the data goes the wrong way, if the alert level begins to rise, we will have no hesitation in putting on the brakes, delaying or reintroducing measures locally, regionally or nationally. mr speaker, our struggle against this virus has placed our country under the kind of strain that will be remembered for generations but so too has the response of the british people. from dedicated shop workers keeping our supermarkets open, and indigenous —— ingenious teachers inspiring people, to the kind of millions who have checked on neighbours, delivered food for the elderly or raised astonishing amounts for charity. in these and so many other ways we are seeing the indomitable spirit of britain and let me summarise by saying that
3:15 pm
people should stay alert, i working from home if you possibly can, by limiting contact with others, by keeping your distance to two metres apart where possible, washing your hands regularly, and if you or anyone in your household has symptoms, you all need to self—isolate. because if everyone stays alert and follows the rules, we can control the virus, keep the rate of infection down and keep the number of infections down. and that is how we will be able to save lives and to save livelihoods as we begin to recover from the coronavirus and i commend this statement to the house. what i would like to say to the leader of the opposition, please ta ke the leader of the opposition, please take an extra minute after that. the leader of the opposition, keir starmer, six minutes. thank you, mr speaker, can i thank the prime minister for speaker, can i thank the prime ministerfor advance speaker, can i thank the prime minister for advance copy of his statement and of the command paper
3:16 pm
that his office sent through an hour or so ago, that his office sent through an hour orso ago, and that his office sent through an hour or so ago, and what they can come to speak to me and other opposition leaders yesterday before his speech? cani leaders yesterday before his speech? can i start by acknowledging just how difficult the decisions are that now fall to be taken? we do recognise how difficult they are. what the country needs at this time is clarity and reassurance and at the moment, both are in pretty short supply. at the heart of the problem it seems is the prime minister made a statement last night before the plan was written or at least finalised and that has caused considerable confusion. yesterday afternoon, there was a number 10 press release that said, from monday, ie today, anyone who cannot work from home, for instance those in construction, and manufacturing, should be actively encouraged to go to work and it was understood from that but today was the start date and that was for construction and manufacturing. a few hours later, the prime minister made his
3:17 pm
statement and there was no express reference to timeframe. today, in the command document, page 25, it says that these policy changes apply from wednesday. and the list has been expanded from construction and manufacturing to other sectors. so now we have a start date of wednesday and a wider range of sectors going back to work on wednesday. so far, so good. one of the key issues is whether there will be guidelines in place to ensure safety in the workforce, they we re ensure safety in the workforce, they were being consulted on last sunday, they were vague and had a big gaps, under protective equipment, it said to be inserted. in the document i have now seen, it says that workplaces should follow the covid secure guidelines as soon as practicable. but under page 22, it says they will be released later this week. so we know that some people are going back to work on wednesday, the guidelines have not
3:18 pm
been published, they are apparently going to be released later this week. can i just going to be released later this week. can ijust asked the prime minister, will these safety guidelines be ready for wednesday? which realistically means tomorrow if workplaces can be ready for them by wednesday morning. if not, is he asking people to go back to work without the guidelines? have the guidelines now been agreed with businesses and trade unions? that was the attempt on sunday week, and to the guidelines only apply in england? can i then turn to getting to work? this has been the other issue of some concern, the prime minister said last night that people should not rely on public transport. the command paper, page 26, says the government is working with transport providers to bring services back to pre—covid—19 levels back to their old levels and said social distancing guidelines on public transport must then be rigorously followed, so ramp up the service, new guidelines for social
3:19 pm
distancing, but again from page 26, there was guidelines are not ready. and they are coming later in the week. well, are they coming later in the week. well, they come in tomorrow, ready for wednesday, the week. well, they come in tomorrow, ready forwednesday, or later in the week? otherwise people will be using public transport, operators required to operate to guidelines that do not yet exist. again, is that for england only? and have those guidelines been agreed with the transport providers and the releva nt with the transport providers and the relevant trade unions? mr speaker, one other point about work, there is a real concern that the prime minister might be able to clarify — for those that have got childcare responsibilities, with schools not going back to june, responsibilities, with schools not going back tojune, and i understand the conditionality behind that, should they go back to work on wednesday or not, because they are ina quandary wednesday or not, because they are in a quandary as to what to do. international travel, last night the prime minister said in his speech that he was proposing to impose quarantine on people coming into the country by air. well, given that 100,000 people have arrived in the uk since the start of lockdown, why is that only being introduced now?
3:20 pm
and is it only for those arriving by air? because the command paper now says it is for all international arrivals. so does that now mean all ports? and again, is that england or the uk? but it then goes on to say, these international travel measures, are you the quarantine, will not come into force on wednesday, unlike the other policy changes, but will be introduced as soon as possible. so when is that going to be? deployment is also said we will be driven by the science, the data of public health. —— the prime minister also said. so what is the evidence behind the measures announced and the stay alert message? and finally, the stay alert message? and finally, the prime minister will know that there is not a consensus either on messaging now or on policy between the uk and the government in wales, scotla nd the uk and the government in wales, scotland and northern ireland, and now we are in that position, it raises serious concerns with a real danger of divergence, and again it
3:21 pm
is clear from the document that he provided to me and hour or so ago, page 27 says, travel to outdoor spacesis page 27 says, travel to outdoor spaces is now permitted irrespective of distance. but we must respect the different rules in scotland, wales and northern ireland. does that mean one can travel to the border but not presumably beyond the border, where there are differences? which makes enforcement extremely difficult, and clarity really difficult. so what can he do to ensure that we accept lockdown as one united kingdom, just as we entered it? mr speaker, there are as we entered it? mr speaker, there a re lots of as we entered it? mr speaker, there are lots of questions, but so far precious few answers. the country does need clarity on this, people need reassurance above all else, they needed in the next 48 hours, so cana prime they needed in the next 48 hours, so can a prime minister please provide that clarity? prime minister! thank you very much, mr speaker, and i'm grateful for all the questions that the right honourable gentleman has
3:22 pm
raised, and the spirit in which he has raised them, and let's be absolutely clear — what we are trying to do now, and i think he was good enough to refer to it, we are moving from a situation in which the people of this country have had the overwhelming impression that there isa overwhelming impression that there is a very clear and simple piece of advice, mr speaker, that we all had to obey, broadly speaking, stay at home. the people of this country have by and large follow that advice in perhaps more emphatic and more thoroughly than many other populations around the world. but thanks to their efforts, what's happened is that we've got the disease, we have made huge progress, mr speaker, in fighting the disease, we have got the r down, and we need now to begin, as it were, to acknowledge the progress that has been made, and to take the small, limited steps that we can with the r down where it is. and that is what
3:23 pm
the government is trying to do. clearly, when you are coming out of a message that is so gloriously simple as stay at home, there will inevitably be complexities that he has rightly alluded to. let me try and deal with some of the issues that he raised. what we are saying now is that you should stay at home if you can, but go to work if you must, if yourjob doesn't allow if you can, but go to work if you must, if your job doesn't allow you to go to work, and plainly he raised properly the issue are people who do not have the right childcare, mr speaker, and we will count on employers to be reasonable. if people can't go to work because they can't gently childcare that they need, then plainly they are from going to work, and they must be defended and protected on that basis. their kids can't yet go to school, so plainly they cannot go to
3:24 pm
work, and i think people, with common sense, businesses and employers, with common sense, do understand that. i think it inc incumbent on all of us to get that message across. but i think one thing that was perhaps missing from his analysis was the simple fact that over the last couple of months, plenty of businesses from construction to manufacturing, offices businesses of all kind, actually have been proceeding, and they have been working, and i have been doing so in a way that respects social distancing, that is as covid compliant as possible. so to answer his specific questions about the timescale for the publications of our guidelines, we will be publishing the guidelines on places of employment today, tonight, transport will be out tomorrow, and we are being very, very consistent in what we have said throughout this period. at the very beginning, we said that you should stay at home if you can, go to work if you must.
3:25 pm
what has changed now is the emphasis and the encouragement that we are giving to people, as it were, to follow the initial guidance, the initial guidance of march the 23rd i think it was. he asks, mr speaker, about what science it is going to be based on, and how we have reached the conclusion is that we have. as i said last night, as i told the house, the r, the production rate of the disease, is now between 0.5 and 0.9. it varies across the country, as he rightly says, and that is why, actually, different approaches by the devolved administrations are to be welcomed, where those are appropriate to their specific needs. but overall, and i think that all leaders of the devolved administrations would confirm this, there is a very, very strong desire to move forward as a four nations
3:26 pm
together. and perhaps i can sum up, and we all share, we all share the strong view that you should stay at home if you can. that remains the position. so the steps we are taking today are modest steps, entirely governed by the science. we hope, we hope that we may be in a position, this is entirely conditional, to ta ke this is entirely conditional, to take further steps in... forgive me, mr speaker, further steps in the next few weeks. he asks an entirely, given the complexity of what is being said, he raises a perfectly reasonable point about people moving across the border into wales for recreational purposes or... believe me, there will be myriad other hypothetical situations which people will be able to raise. but let's be absolutely clear, mr speaker, that i think everybody, everybody
3:27 pm
understands what we are trying to do together. and that is... that is working together as a country to obey the social distancing rules, which everybody understands, and i think what the british people understand, that this is the moment for the whole country to come together and to obey those rules, and to apply their common sense in the application of those rules. and i have huge admiration for the way that the police have enforced them so far, and i know that the british public is going to continue to help the police and everybody to enforce those rules, to get our reproduction right down, to get this disease even further under control by continuing to apply good solid british common sense. it has worked throughout phase one, and i have no doubt that it will work in the second phase of the disease as well, of the fight against the disease as well. thank
3:28 pm
you, mr speaker. could i personally thank the prime minister for the tremendous leadership of our nation during these times? and also for his comprehensive statement today? but will he please outline his post—break state and post—corbett economic plan to set our uk economy back on the right track in the coming decade? —— post—brexit and post— disease. we must reduce our reliance on imports and support british business growth and job creation in constituencies like romford, with a bold free enterprise agenda laid, i believe, by a romford, with a bold free enterprise agenda laid, i believe, bya prime minister who, i know, will show the true bulldog spirit of this country and take our nation back to prosperity and greater things in the future. prime minister. colette i
3:29 pm
think my honourable friend very much, and! think my honourable friend very much, and i can assure him that the spirit of romford will certainly be actuating our approach, and i can tell him... actually, there is a huge difference between the way this government has handled this crisis and what happened in 2008, huge difference! the most important, of course, is that we decided to look after the livelihoods and job prospects of families across the country, and we looked after people who are on low pay, modest incomes, in retail, hospitality, with our coronavirus job protection scheme with the furloughing scheme, and we are going to ensure that this economy comes back strongly, mr speaker, and we will be uniting and levelling up across the entirety of the country. we now go to the leader of the snp, ian blackford! thank you, mr speaker. it is obvious that the last 24 hours has spread
3:30 pm
confusion. watch the public desperately needs today is to be given some clarity. mr speaker, lives are at risk, so political judgments and verdicts on this weekend's chaos will have to wait for another day. i respect the right of the prime minister to make his judgments on his scientific advice, i hope he is right in the determinations he is making, and that, crucially, if evidence suggest an increase in the r right, that he is prepared to act accordingly. mr speaker, we need to be guided by one clear understanding, and that is that mixed messaging risk lives. in order to urgently re—establish clarity, i want to ask the prime minister five specific questions, andi minister five specific questions, and i would genuinely urge him to provide five clear answers. so for clarity, will the prime minister confirm that he accepts and respects that in the devolved nations, the advice clearly remains stay at home,
3:31 pm
protect the nhs and save lives? and that it protect the nhs and save lives? and thatitis protect the nhs and save lives? and that it is the legal right of all the first ministers to set their approach for scotland, for wales and for northern ireland? mr speaker, in terms of the new slogan, last night the prime minister said, and i quote, i have consulted across the political spectrum, across all four nations of the united kingdom. candy prime minister therefore explain why his government didn't share his new slogan with the devolved administrations, leading them to learn of the change in the sunday newspapers? further to that, will be prime minister commit not to deploy this new slogan in scotland and wales and northern ireland, unless the devolved governments decide otherwise? on quara ntining the devolved governments decide otherwise? on quarantining following travel, when will these quarantine measures come into force, and can be prime minister confirm if his own transport secretary has told airline
3:32 pm
industry leaders that if there are too many obstacles in implementing it, it may not even happen? and finally, for ultimate clarity, will the prime minister reaffirmed for the prime minister reaffirmed for the public and businesses in scotla nd the public and businesses in scotland that the advice that they should follow will come directly from the scottish government, and not be advised that he gave in last night's broadcast. mr speaker, i think just mr speaker, i thinkjust quickly, the answers are one, yes, two, i think stay alert is a valid piece of advice and indeed so it is a stay at home if you can. my answer to number four is no and mr speaker, i would just say to the right honourable gentleman quite simply that i do think that the uk has been able, thanks to the cooperation i have had not just with honourable thanks to the cooperation i have had notjust with honourable members opposite but across all four nations, we have been able to make a huge amount of progress together. i
3:33 pm
think most people actually understand where we are in fighting this disease, most people are looking at the reality, the practical reality of the advice we are giving today, can see that overall there is far more that unites the uk than it although i know it is always the political temptation to accentuate the divisions but that is not going to be the approach of this government i don't believe it should be the approach that commends itself to parties across this house. , urged members to speed up with their questions and certainly in the replies from the prime minister? thank you, mr speaker. can i welcome the prime minister's statement and his approach to start reopening the country while keeping the fire was under control? testing and tracing is key to the way forward and would my right honourable friend agree, that if we can reduce the time taken to get test results back from the
3:34 pm
current five days to as little as 24 hours, it would make that approach even more effective? absolutely, my honourable friend is completely right and speed of turnaround is crucial in improving our testing. we have done 100,000 tests again yesterday and i'm pleased to say that clearly turn and pace of turnaround is absolutely critical for getting to where we need to be, 200,000, as he knows, by the end of the month and a much more ambitious programme there after. so edward davey. throughout this crisis, many of us have put party politics aside to support the national effort to defeat coronavirus. and we want to keep doing that. not least because the british people have sacrificed so much already. in return, the government must be clear with the british people and reassure us that ministers are following the science and the advice of independent
3:35 pm
experts. will he confirm new reports that neither the chief medical officer nor the chief scientific adviser signed off yesterday's shift in the public health message from stay at home to stay alert? mr speaker, that's not right. mike would. thank you, mr speaker. many businesses restarting operations are unlikely to have order books full enough to sustain a full work force four months after formal restrictions so will the prime minister look at howjobs can be tapered rather than with one overnight and more flexibility added by being able to furlough a week at a time to reinforce those needs. mr speaker, i do think the following scheme has been one of the most remarkable features of the government response “— remarkable features of the government response —— furloughing scheme. it is not unlike anything we
3:36 pm
have seen internationally. it is absolutely right we should do it and i don't want to anticipate what my right honourable friend the chancellor will say but the house will hear more about that tomorrow. i understand the sense of optimism the prime minister wishes to convey and that people need hope but we must not forget that over 31,000 people are dead and the hundreds of thousands of grieving families, this does not feel like a victory in a fight. there is now a relations approach, wales, scotland and northern ireland all agree on policy and message and i mean this with no malice but for the sake of clarity, and confirm that of almost everything he has announced today, the prime minister is acting as the prime minister of england? no, mr speaker, i reject that completely i think most people are looking at
3:37 pm
what we are seeing will know that it is very good advice for the entire population of the united kingdom although i perfectly respect the inflections and variations that may be necessary both locally, regionally and nationally to reflect differences in those areas pud there isa differences in those areas pud there is a higher r rate in some areas of the country must be come out of this, we will be applying different measures in different places in order to get that r down locally, regionally and nationally. thank you, mr speaker. will the prime ministerjoined me in thanking eve ryo ne prime ministerjoined me in thanking everyone who has saved lives by following government guidance over the last seven weeks but constituent of rutland and melton have written to me about the few persistent offenders who continue to flout the rules. will my right honourable friend confirm how great the increase in the find will be and will act as a greater deterrent to make sure the danger of the virus
3:38 pm
has not yet passed? —— make clear that. i can confirm that the starting point will be £100, lowered to £50 if paid within 14 days. will go to £50 if paid within 14 days. will 9° up to £50 if paid within 14 days. will go up and up to £3600 put it we do not want to impose these fines, nobody does, and we don't want to add to the burdens of our wonderful police force, so that is why i know the british people will exercise their common sense. thank you, mr speaker. i thank the prime ministerfor his thank you, mr speaker. i thank the prime minister for his statement. and the prime is to ensure the house that the government will carefully manage the economy of the job retention scheme so there is no cliff edge for the second he mention? —— the prime minister ensure. in northern ireland, hospitality and tourism is 16,000 people potentially facing redundancy and that has to be managed. will he
3:39 pm
protect northern ireland airports from unfair competition in the republic of ireland ? from unfair competition in the republic of ireland? we have made a substantial provision for the protection airports and other large businesses with loans that the government has made available and i can certainly assure him, the question was asked earlier about the furloughing scheme, the house will hear more about that from the chancellor and i have no desire to steal his thunder on that. but i can certainly tell the honourable gentleman what i think it would accept, that it has been one of the most salient and important features of this country's response so far to this crisis that we have looked after the lowest paid, some of the lowest pa id after the lowest paid, some of the lowest paid people in our society and hardest working people and we will continue to do so. thank you, mr speaker. recent centre
3:40 pm
for cities report stated that the crawley economy could be the worst affected anywhere in the united kingdom because of the significance of the aviation industry. can the prime minister say a little more about what support will be offered by the government for this crucial sector not just to by the government for this crucial sector notjust to my local constituency, but also for the whole uk is constituency, but also for the whole ukisa constituency, but also for the whole uk is a global island trading nation? i thank my honourable friend and he has raised this with me personally on several occasions pulled aviation is crucial for the country and the economy, the packages available include a bank of england scheme for firms to raise capital, business interruption loan, guarantee schemes took the time to pay flexibility with tax bills, we will do everything we can to make sure that we keep britain flying and get britain flying again in the way that it needs to, and get airports flourishing in the way they need to
3:41 pm
but first, and i'm sure he will understand, we must devote our energies as a nation to beating this virus. the north—east has the highest coronavirus infection rate in the country and some of the highest levels of deprivation coronavirus mortality is twice that in other areas. now the prime instead of telling those who cannot work from home, mainly in lower plate, manual work, people work from home, mainly in lower plate, manualwork, people facing jobs to go back to work without transport, childcare, ppe or proper protections for workers in place, putting more risk on those already at risk. will he say clearly that first and foremost everyone has a duty and a right to stay safe? yes or no? absolutely, mr speaker, and i remind what i said to the leader of
3:42 pm
the opposition early on, don't forget that many businesses have kept going throughout this crisis across many sectors, but we are going to insist that businesses across this country look after the workers and they are covid secure and covid compliant and the health and covid compliant and the health and safety executive will be enforcing it we will have spot inspections to make sure that businesses are keeping their employees safe. and of course be open to employees who do not feel safe to raise that notjust with their employers but with the health and safety executive as well. thank you, mr speaker. we all know it will take a while yet but eventually the uk will be free of covid—19. when that does happen, what is my right honourable friend's vision? does he want to see a return to the old normal of pollution and crowded commuter trains, or does he see a better and cleanerfuture?
3:43 pm
crowded commuter trains, or does he see a better and cleaner future? out of this tragedy and this disaster, of this tragedy and this disaster, of course we hope that some changes and opportunities will come and i certainly see a huge opportunity for cleaner, greener transport. of certainly see a huge opportunity for cleaner, greenertransport. of the uk will continue its mission to be a net zero nation by 2050, we know we can do it. and, as the house will know, we have created £2 billion to invest in cleaner transport, walking, cycling amongst them. jeremy corbyn. thank you, mr speaker. does the prime minister recognise that the covid crisis has exposed grotesque levels of inequality within our society? his statement if they had given carte blanche to many employers to try to force people to come back to work without proper consideration of their health and safety, without consideration of the dangers they
3:44 pm
will suffer in travelling to work. does he not recognise that his statement, whilst the death rate is so high and the reinfection rate continues, will actually probably make the situation worse, not better? will he reconsider very carefully a nd better? will he reconsider very carefully and not lift the restrictions and not lift the lockdown until it's absolutely clear that we do have coronavirus under control rather than effecting, as it is, the poorest and most vulnerable people in our society the worst, and i believe his statement will make the inequalities in this country even worse at the centre of this crisis. mr speaker, i must say i reject that characterisation of what we are doing. we are effectively restating the position of much the 23rd but with a change of emphasis to make it clear that those who cannot work from home in sectors such as construction and manufacturing should go to work,
3:45 pm
provided that work is going to be covid compliant and covid secure. is right to raise the vital issue of statement, provided the transport to get those workers there is covid secure and compliant. we are publishing papers today and tomorrow about how we propose to do that. it's a small step forward but i believe the right step forward. the country has made huge exertions to bring the r down and huge exertions to get this virus under control and it is right now we should make some small steps forward. alexander stafford. cani can i first 90 prime ministerfor clear statement and the support and guidance he has given us all across rhondda valley? it is clear this government is taking a balanced and pragmatic approach that will save lives. however, can the prime minister confirmed that this plan is both dynamic and flexible enough to ensure that we can reopen different
3:46 pm
businesses at different times and in different locations so we can kick—start our economy as soon as we are able to? only with a strong economy can we have a strong nhs. my honourable friend is entirely right, andi honourable friend is entirely right, and i congratulate him, by the way, on the birth of his daughter, persephone, perhaps appropriate for a country that is beginning to take steps out, mr speaker. we will, as we do that, as we take these steps, we do that, as we take these steps, we will of course be flexible, and asi we will of course be flexible, and as i said in my answer to the right honourable gentleman from islington, we will make sure that where there are localflare—ups, we will make sure that where there are local flare—ups, where we see the disease taking off again, we will not hesitate to put on the brakes. but he is absolutely right that you have a strong nhs, as we must and we do and we will we need a strong economy as well. up to
3:47 pm
scotland, to drew hendry. thank you, mr speaker. reports in the press say that this government is preparing to cut the rate of support on the furlough scheme by a quarter. can he assure us furlough scheme by a quarter. can he assure us that this is not the case and that his advice for people to return to work is not an excuse to reduce spending over public health? i have considerable respect for the price, but i would advise them not necessarily to believe everything that he reads about that matter until he has heard from the chancellor, who, as i say, will be speaking to the house tomorrow about it. down to warrington south, andy carter. thank you, mr speaker, can i welcome the statement and recognise the maximum caution he is taking on gradually lifting these restrictions? i have heard today
3:48 pm
from any constituents here in warrington who are parents of school—age children. they are keen to return this week in a safe way but will need some help with looking after theirfamilies but will need some help with looking after their families while schools remained closed. can the prime minister outlined what guidance government is giving to parents to help them with childcare? well, mr speaker, he raises a very important point, which i addressed earlier a couple of times, and i want to stress again, for the benefit of the house,, for the stress again, for the benefit of the house, , for the country, stress again, for the benefit of the house,, for the country, if we can, we wa nt house,, for the country, if we can, we want to bring primary schools back at the beginning of next month, reception, year one and year six, and then to have all primary school children getting at least one month of education before the holidays in july. i appreciate, of education before the holidays in july. iappreciate, that of education before the holidays in july. i appreciate, that is going to bea july. i appreciate, that is going to be a process in which not everybody will be able to get their kids into school as fast perhaps as they would in order to get, to get back to work, and there will be childcare
3:49 pm
needs. my right honourable friend the secretary of state for education will be setting out in further detail how we propose to help those with particular childcare needs, but i want to stress that if you can't get the childcare you need to get to work, then that is plainly an impediment on your ability to work, and your employer should recognise that. catherine mckinnell. thank you. prime minister, hundreds are dying every day, and we still don't have sufficient testing and tracing to measure and control the spread of infection, yet the government is relaxing lockdown in a confusing manner. he continues to claim his strategy is a success, despite us having the highest death toll in europe, so is it the government's position that as long as the nhs can cope, it is less important how many catch the virus and sadly die? mr speaker, i must reject what she has said about relaxing lockdown, we are
3:50 pm
not ending the lockdown, we have to be very clear with people that the measures remain in place. what we are saying is that they should look at the precise guidance that was given, and that is if they must go to work, if the job means that they must go to work, they should be actively encouraged to go to work, and we are setting out steps to allow them to do so. the other important change that we are making this week relates to people's ability to exercise. as we go forward , ability to exercise. as we go forward, we will be governed, any mix steps, whether on june forward, we will be governed, any mix steps, whether onjune the 1st or the beginning ofjuly, we will be governed entirely by the science, andindeed governed entirely by the science, and indeed we will continue to work with opposition parties and across all four nations as we go forward. martin vickers. thank you, mr speaker, i fully support the cautious approach outlined by my
3:51 pm
right honourable friend. he will be aware that many small businesses in cleethorpes and other seaside resorts face considerable problems, such as guest houses, bars and restaurants, and they are going to need continuing support. what insurance can he give that it will be forthcoming? thank you, mr speaker. as somebody who has enjoyed the wonderful hospitality sector in his constituency, on a couple of occasions at least, i know how important and vibrant it is, and i would remind him of what has been achieved so far to support the hospitality sector with a coronavirus job retention scheme, the furloughing scheme, i think it has been very, very important. the bounce back loans, so far i think have paid out £5 billion already, andi have paid out £5 billion already, and i don't want to anticipate what,
3:52 pm
asi and i don't want to anticipate what, as i say, my right honourable friend the chancellor will say about the furloughing scheme, but the house should expect, as i have said several times, more very shortly. mary robinson. thank you, mr speaker. in greater manchester, whilst the curve is flattening, it is not clearly on a downward path, with an r rate which could be as high as 0.9. in view of this, what message would my right honourable friend give to my constituents, and does he agree that all city regions such as greater manchester, a significant increase and testing and contact tracing is vital in controlling this virus as we begin to ease the restrictions? well, my honourable friend is entirely right, and that is why we are recruiting 18,000 trackers, tracers, who will conduct a huge operation to trace
3:53 pm
anybody was been in contact with somebody who tests positive for the virus, which is why it is so vital, as she rightly says, to have a massive testing operation. yesterday we achieved 100,000 tests, we are going to go up to 2000 by the end of the month, and testing, tracking and tracing will be absolutely integral to our ability, finally, to defeat this virus. thank you, mr speaker. if there is to be a return to employment, it is absolutely dependent on safe public transport. asi dependent on safe public transport. as i understand the road map, face coverings are to be advisory, and the wearing of them will not be imposed. cani the wearing of them will not be imposed. can i ask the prime minister for a imposed. can i ask the prime ministerfor a 1—word imposed. can i ask the prime minister for a 1—word answer. should, indeed must, everybody travelling on london buses and tubes where a face covering, yes or no?”
3:54 pm
think she said should or indeed must, and there are two... we are certainly not compelling people to wear face coverings, but plainly they can be of benefit to others, primarily, because they stop the aerosol transmission of droplets, which may contain infection. so we can help each other, as i said in my introductory remarks, mr speaker, if we do work cloth face coverings in confined spaces such as transport, where you are going to come across people that you do not normally, you are not normally in contact with, or in shops. we think it is advisable to wear such cloth face coverings. dr luke evans. thank you, mr speaker. page 30, understep dr luke evans. thank you, mr speaker. page 30, under step two, dr luke evans. thank you, mr speaker. page 30, understep two, it says, opening nonessential retail
3:55 pm
won't happen before the 1st ofjune, so what were my right honourable friend do to make sure that banks expedite the applications for both the bounce back loan and the coronavirus business interruption loa n coronavirus business interruption loan schemes, which provide vital cash to ensure that both small and medium—sized businesses can survive through? polite i thank my honourable friend for that question, andi honourable friend for that question, and i perhaps anticipated it could write by pointing out that the bounce back scheme, loans of up to 50,000, has already paid out 5 billion, and i'm given to understand that some businesses which have applied for the bounce back loan have got the cash in the accounts on the same day. chris stephens. thank you very much, mr speaker. i hope the prime minister willjoin me in thanking the civil service, particularly employees in hmrc and dwp, who are processing payments. they deserve an award. so will the prime minister followed the lead of the scottish government and have an
3:56 pm
interim above inflation pay settle m e nt interim above inflation pay settlement and place a moratorium on job cuts and office closures? the mr speaker, i am job cuts and office closures? the mr speaker, iam not job cuts and office closures? the mr speaker, i am not going to make any commitments from the despatch box on future pay settlements, but what i can say is that i am lost in admiration of the efforts of our civil servants, whether in dwp, hmrc, even the treasury. if you think about the furloughing scheme, everybody said it was impossible, everybody said it was impossible, everybody said it was impossible, everybody said it was far to complicated, you would never get that cash into people's pockets, but they did it within four weeks, and i think it is a fantastic tribute to the work of our civil service, and i thank them from the bottom of my heart. thank you, mr speaker, and i think the prime ministerfor his update on progress of testing and tracing this invisible killer, but can he confirm that the new systems we are putting in place will come in
3:57 pm
the fullness of time, be able to detect local flare—ups? the fullness of time, be able to detect local flare-ups? yes indeed, mr speaker, and the intention is that the covid alert system, in time, will be sufficiently sensitive and flexible as to detect local flare—ups so that, for instance, if the covid is detected in the water supply of a certain town, then steps can be taken, or in a school, steps can be taken, or in a school, steps can be taken to deal with that flare—up, measures can be taken to keep the r down locally as well as nationally. ruth jones. thank you, mr speaker. the prime minister claims to have devised a new stage of his plan having consulted across all four nations of the uk, yet the first minister of scotland claims the first she so it was in the newspapers. the first minister of wales says the uk government only engages in fits and starts, was the first minister of northern ireland is sticking to the original stay at
3:58 pm
home message. given that devolution does exist and we have it across the uk, can the prime minister please explain what on earth is going on? mr speaker, i think any impartial view of what the uk is doing will see there is much more that unites our approach than divides it, but i know that it might seem attractive sometimes to accentuate the divisions. we fully respect and understand the necessity where there are different understand the necessity where there a re different rates understand the necessity where there are different rates of infection, the necessity sometimes to take a different approach, but i can also say to the honourable lady that there has been intensive communication and a very good communication and a very good communication between this government and all the devolved administrations throughout this period, and that will continue. 26 is withdrawn, we go across to kate green. thank you, mr speaker. no-one should be expected to take up a return to a job that is not safe, so
3:59 pm
can the prime minister confirm that there is no intention of changing there is no intention of changing the relaxation of rules on benefits' conditionality? doing so could pressure people to attend unsafe and risky workplaces. of course, mr speaker, no—one should be penalised for doing the right thing and help in this country to defeat this virus. we go across to robert halfon. thank you, mr speaker. close to 90% of vulnerable children are not in education. will my right honourable friend support a catch—up premium, alongside a national education volunteer force of graduates, and retired teachers, to provide tuition and pastoral care to those left behind pupils?” provide tuition and pastoral care to those left behind pupils? i thank my right honourable friend or what he does to campaign for vulnerable
4:00 pm
children, and will education generally. we are looking at an education endowment foundation, working with the education endowment foundation and other partners to see what we can do to support the most disadvantaged and vulnerable children. you will know that, of course, under the existing measures, mr speaker, vulnerable children can now go to school, and i want to thank all the teachers who are currently teaching them, teaching at least some of the children of key workers. go across to james murray. mr speaker, some tube stations in my constituency have twice the london average of construction workers living nearby. although the employers may be asked to consider staggering start and finish times to reduce pressure on public transport, the business minister confirmed to me this is not mandated by government guidance. to keep my constituents and others are safe, will the prime minister now instruct site managers to stagger operation times, and have the government take responsibility for making sure this
4:01 pm
happens? thank you, mr speaker, we will be issuing our guidance on covid—secure workplaces, as i have said several times already. we are working with transport for london, a body that he and i know well, to ensure that people on tfl are kept safe, that we have social distancing on the tube, and of course people will instinctively side out is going to be very, very difficult. yes, it is going to be very difficult, it will mean very substantial reductions in capacity, but we must do is to make it work, to make sure that the honourable gentleman's constituents can get safely to work. i'm grateful that the prime minister is working closely with the welsh government to design a four nation approach to ending the coronavirus lockdown. this is so important for my constituents who share a border with england but would he agree with me that while the r number continues
4:02 pm
to vary across the country, restrictions in wales remain the same and the changes he announced last night are not a green light for tourism or people to travel to second homes in wales? absolutely, mr speaker, and i'm grateful, this is why it is so important we should get as much clarity as possible and i hope the house does understand that when you're making changes of this complexity, the messaging is crucial but it is also difficult and she is completely right. we do not wa nt to she is completely right. we do not want to see people travelling to another home for a holiday or to a second home, that is not what this is about. it's about allowing people the pleasure and exercise are going to places, parks, places of outstanding beauty, national parks and taking advantage of the open air. laurence robertson. thank you, mr speaker. just a few days ago my
4:03 pm
father died of coronavirus in hospital but he didn't catch the virus in the community can caught it in the hospital when he went in for another illness. as the prime minister quite rightly tries to reduce the spreading of the virus in communities and care homes, will he also do whatever he can to try to stop the spreading of the virus in hospitals? mr speaker, i am so sorry to hear about my honourable friend's father and i am sure the whole house joins with me in extending him our sincerest condolences. the point that he makes about care homes is also, i'm afraid, very important one. it will be no consolation to those who have lost friends and relatives in care homes during the current epidemic but the numbers are substantially coming down now, the numbers of deaths in care homes are
4:04 pm
very substantially coming down but where he is totally right is that we cannot make progress as a nation on the steps we have outlined, the further steps we have outlined, step two, step three, unless we crack these twin epidemics both in care homes and the nhs and i have been very clear with that both last night and today in the house and i hope the house understand that. daisy cooper. thank you, mr speaker. the prime minister has set out five tests that underpin the alert system but there is one big problem. whilst the government has told us how many pieces of ppe they have procured and test they have undertaken and how many temporary hospital beds they had created, to date it has not once told members of the public how those numbers compared to what we actually need so will the prime minister reported that house openly and regularly on both sets of data what we have and what we need? and also
4:05 pm
set out how those will inform his decision. thank you, mr speaker. the honourable lady race is a very important point. i will try to give the house more details of what we are doing —— raises an important point. i can tell about so far, despite of all the difficulties i know people have experienced with ppe, it is the case that we have had no national stockouts or absolute shortages of any item of ppe and we are continuing to turn the situation around and get billions of items to where they need to go. sir edward lee. the phased approach of the government to protect public safety is obviously correct but we are now faced with perhaps the biggest recession in hundreds of years and
4:06 pm
an unparalleled increase in the public sector so will the prime minister ensure that, whereas in the past these increases have often been accompanied by a waste and fraud and incompetence at the expense of the tax payer, he will put the most effective public accounts controlled in to protect the taxpayer and pay for all this he will ensure we get britain back to work and, where possible to have a social distancing, people are actually encouraged to work? yes, mr speaker, and of course we will have effective accounting of the investment we are making to protect the public and of the furloughing scheme and all the other many expenditures we are obliged to make. i think he would also understand that the biggest single economic risk we face at the moment is the risk that the virus should search back again and trigger a second spike and that is why we
4:07 pm
all need to work together, as i'm sure everybody understands, to continue to depress the r, keep the virus under control and stay alert. maria eagle. thank you, mr speaker. . the secretary of state for housing, communities and local government originally said the government originally said the government would fund councils for whatever they needed to get communities through the crisis but now says it will only fund them if they have specifically asked them to do things point at liverpool city council and knowsley borough council have both received less than half of what they have spent so far despite having one of the worst outbreaks in the country and already having lost two thirds of the government funding in the last ten years so will the prime minister undertake to reimburse them the full costs of covid as promised at the start of this outbreak? thank you, mr speaker. is the right honourable lady knows, we have invested 3.2 billion extra into supporting local councils, i will take away what she said about liverpool city council and knowsley council and take it up with my right honourable friend the secretary for communities and local
4:08 pm
government. chris law. thank you, mr speaker. the secretary of state for housing, communities and local government said yesterday that stay at home meet stay that by staying home and much as possible but this morning the foreign secretary said that people can travel as far as they want for exercise and can meet with other people in public places if the use some common sense. can be prime minister tell me what stay alert actually means and when is committed no longer keeping our families and communities safe by staying at home and protecting the nhs and saving lives? mr speaker, i think it would be perfectly obvious to the house what we are trying to do and saying by stay alert. what we saying is that are re—emphasising the importance of those who cannot work from home going to work, provided that workplace is a covid secure, provided that they observe the rules of social distancing on
4:09 pm
public transport or however that they go to work. that is what a staying alert means. it will be absolutely vital, staying alert will be absolutely vital to our continued success in beating this by responder i think the british public understand exactly what we're trying to do, and i know that they will rise again to this challenge. jane hunt. thank you, mr speaker. loughborough university is responsible for producing some of our very responsible for producing some of our very best athletes and engineers. unfortunately, their training and studies have been disrupted. the university is campus—based with all facilities on site. they would like to bring back some student athletes to train and their engineers to attend concentrated lab work sessions, all while maintaining social distancing on campus and isolation from the wider community. will be prime minister therefore work with universities to help them provide stu d e nts universities to help them provide students with access to vital facilities to enable them to safely
4:10 pm
continue their studies and training? the short answer is yes, mr speaker, i know loughborough university welcome it's an outstanding university and i thank her for championing it and we will work with loughborough and across the sector to see what we can do in the way she describes whilst maintaining social distancing. and we can do it bill esterson. people are worried about going back to work about their safety and about infecting their loved ones. they don't understand why guidelines were not published before they were told to go back to work. de prime minister's ambiguity and lack of clarity has just made matters worse. will he take on board the concerns voiced by unions, workers and employers, will he tell us how he will enforce those guidelines to keep people safe, and will he say how workers will be able to voice their concerns about their safety at
4:11 pm
work? mr speaker, this country has made huge progress in the last two months thanks to our collective efforts, getting the r down below one and now is the time to make small calibrated changes, respectable always of the science and risk of a second spike, and that's why we are emphasising that if you must go to work, if you cannot work from home, you should do so provided, and his right to draw attention to this, provided your workplace is covid a secure and we are publishing further guidance on that and, provided you observe the rules on social distancing. it's common sense and i rules on social distancing. it's common sense and i believe the british people understand what we're trying to do and that this is the right time to begin modest steps. the final question, peter aldous. thank you, mr speaker. the prime minister is right to highlight above all else the need to avoid a second spike and a concern i am receiving both from individual constituents
4:12 pm
and businesses is that the reopening of primary schools could present a significant threat both in the classroom and at the school gate. can the prime minister assure the house that he and his government will do all that they can to address these worries before allowing to primary schools to reopen? mr speaker, i should stress that we have only made the announcement on primary schools as we say everything because we have the guidance from our scientists and medical officers, and we think that we could get to that stage on june and we think that we could get to that stage onjune the 1st but i wa nt to that stage onjune the 1st but i want to stress to him that, as i said to the house, it is all conditional and professional and we must continue to drive down the r, continue ourfight must continue to drive down the r, continue our fight against the coronavirus and we will be publishing guidance about safety in schools, about how parents, teachers
4:13 pm
and children can use schools and go to school with confidence. there will be change, the environment will be different in our school settings, but that does not mean they should be closed down for ever. if we can make progress, we will be gradually restarting them in june. order, order, i spent the house for 30 minutes... studio: the prime minister taking questions in the house and saying, "ourjourney has reached the most perilous moment where a wrong move could be disastrous." but he said that he expected the british people would continue to apply a solid british common sense in enforcing social distancing rules and controlling the spread of coronavirus. keir starmer said that in the wake of the prime minister's address to the nation last night, had been considerable confusion and that clarity and reassurance for what the country needed were both in short supply. we can go to nick eardley in
4:14 pm
westminster who was watching and listening to the statement from the prime minister. sir keir starmer did press the prime minister on guidelines for the workplace, safety and health and safety guidelines for the workplace and public transport and we have learnt that those guidelines are going to be published in the near future? yes, three big ta keaways in the near future? yes, three big takeaways i think from what the prime minister said. the first is that appealing to people in england, when looking at the new guidelines, to use some common sense when they are figuring out how to apply them to their everyday lives. the second thing was we found out those guidelines, both on the workplace and on transport in this new phase of the coronavirus response in england, will be published. the ones on the workplace are coming tonight, those on transport coming tomorrow. but we have at least a hint of what might be in the ones in the guidelines when the prime minister
4:15 pm
said the government was going to introduce spot checks for businesses that are open, to make sure that they are complying with social distancing rules. we should find out more about that over the next few hours with those guidelines being really important. one of the reasons is because, a big concern the labour party and the unions have is if workplaces are ready to bring back people who have not been working, those people who cannot work at home, now being actively encouraged by the government in england to go back to work. that is manufacturing, things like construction. labour we re things like construction. labour were really adamant there needed to be more detail on exactly how they are going to be made to save. i think keir starmer asked five or six pretty detailed questions and i'm not sure we got answers to all of them. but that is certainly one of those areas where there is a lot of scrutiny and concern that there was not enough detail yet. we also heard
4:16 pm
the concerns raised again about the mixed messaging in different parts of the uk. we know that the guidelines that have been published today are for england and not being in college in scotland, wales and northern ireland in the same weight and nor is the new stay alert message. the prime minister was adamant it was ok for different parts of the uk to follow those different messages but there are still some concerns that different people adhering different things means the clarity we have had over the last few weeks with the simple stay at home a message might be diluted. and a lot of people watching will be interested in what the prime minister said about face coverings and that was raised by one mp in particularand coverings and that was raised by one mp in particular and he said that it is should not must and they're not compelling people to wear face coverings. the new guidance, published today, so that people in england should wear face coverings when they are on
4:17 pm
things like public transport or in places where they can't socially distance, and i are going to be coming into contact with people who they don't normally come into contact with, so basically people outside the household. that could potentially mean some workplaces, but i think one of the main places thatis but i think one of the main places that is going to be the case as may be on buses or other forms of public transport. we have seen pictures, for example, from the underground in london, still quite how to socially distance. people are encouraged to wear face coverings, very different from facemasks, by the way, not the facemasks you are seeing doctors and nurses were in — that will be actively discouraged, because they are needed for the nhs. the government has published a guide to this, which you can find online, which shows you how to turn a t—shirt into a phase covering, so if you need to make one, there is a guide on how to do it if you are any good at arts and crafts, i am not
4:18 pm
sure i will be able to pull that one off! the message from the government with that face coverings can be helpful by stopping you transmitting the disease, if you have it, to other people, but they are not being made compulsory at the moment. thank you very much indeed, nick eardley, our political correspondent, at westminster. let's talk more about the latest road map, and with us to discuss it as natalie mcdermott, a clinical lecturer in infectious diseases at king's college london. i am alsojoined diseases at king's college london. i am also joined by diseases at king's college london. i am alsojoined by robert diseases at king's college london. i am also joined by robert west, diseases at king's college london. i am alsojoined by robert west, a professor of health psychology at university college london. natalie, first of all, to you, the government's message not stay home any more, but stay alert, what you make of that? well, i think it has been a little bit unclear for the public to understand, and i think it is not as clear—cut as a stay at home. stay at home is a short, succinct message. stay alert almost as we are not being advised to stay at home, but we can go out and be
4:19 pm
allowed. but i don't believe that is what the government is trying to the principle is still stay at home, but if we are going out, and there has been a slight loosening of the lockdown measures, if we are going out, we need to stay vigilant and stay alert and take precautions. robert west, the prime minister at pains to say we are at a perilous moment — generally, having you know, how do some of the detail of award the easing of the lockdown looks like, and we have got these key dates, do you think the government is doing broadly the right thing?” think that at the moment we have to recognise that, on our best evidence, 90% of the population has not been infected with this virus, and yet we have something like 40-50,000 deaths, and yet we have something like 40—50,000 deaths, so he is absolutely right that this is a perilous moment, and the government would not be taking these steps if
4:20 pm
it did not feel it was necessary in order to be able to start to protect the economy and jobs and so on. so there are really, really difficult choices to be made, and i don't, you know, envy the government in having to do that. however, in making these steps, its communication strategy has to be substantially improved, and the issue with the stay alert message is that it does not really cover a ny message is that it does not really cover any specific behavioural targets, it isjust a sort of, you know, general attitude that it is trying to promote. and the message, i think, together with what the prime minister said i think, together with what the prime ministersaid in i think, together with what the prime minister said in the house of commons today, is essentially, the message people take away from it is that we have gone away from the stay at home message, otherwise it would still be there, and i think that is the concern of people like nicola sturgeon in scotland, and the welsh government as well, in that there is
4:21 pm
an implicit message there that the stay at home message is no longer in force. come out ok, we were talking with our political correspondent about face coverings. the government's advice now is that you should — you don't have to, but you should — you don't have to, but you should wear face coverings may be if you are on the tube or in a busy shop, is that the right kind of advice, do you think? well, i think what people need to understand about this advice is that by wearing a cloth facemasks, you aren't protecting yourself, you are protecting yourself, you are protecting others, and i think that is what needs to be really clear for people to understand. so a cloth facemasks will reduce the amount of aerosols that you cough out, reduce the amount of droplets that you cough or sneeze out, and we spread droplets even when we speak to each other, and even when we just breathed. so if we are in a confined space, where we cannot socially
4:22 pm
distance, a facemask will prevent us spreading the infection to others — if we are infected with it without knowing. we know a lot of people can be infected without having any symptoms at all. that is the reason behind the advice, and i think it is sensible advice in terms of trying to limit the spread of infection within the population, but people need to realise that it isn't about protecting themselves, it is about protecting themselves, it is about protecting others. if that is right, robert west, should this not have been the advice before? no, not necessarily, and it is not clear that it necessarily, and it is not clear thatitis necessarily, and it is not clear that it is the correct advice now, because it depends on the situation, so the reality is that the evidence on facemasks is equivocal, so we are all having to draw on first principles with regards to whether they are, in practice, in a community likely to be effective or not, and it is absolutely right to say, of course, that physically it can prevent droplets from coming from someone's mouth or nose to
4:23 pm
someone else. the problem is, and they screwed more than outweigh any benefit, is if people think they are relatively safer or that they are less at risk of communicating the virus to other people by wearing as safe masks, and therefore they go out when they might have symptoms that would have led them to stay at home, or they fail to maintain a distance with someone else because they feel more protected, then this could more than outweigh any benefits that the facemask confers. at the other problem with facemasks is that they themselves can act as contaminated objects. now, what you see when you see people wearing facemasks out and about is they are consta ntly facemasks out and about is they are constantly touching them, fiddling around with them, and they very often take them off to speak to people, it makes no sense at all — you have to be really careful as to how you handle a face covering, and
4:24 pm
so the key, really, here, alongside this advice, which i think is fine as faras it this advice, which i think is fine as far as it goes, however alongside it needs to be some very clear guidance on exactly how to use these face coverings to minimise these risks. latched on to you, natalie mcdermott, the prime minister talked about people applying good old—fashioned common sense. —— last one to you. whatever the slogan is, whether it is stay at home stay alert, do you think people can be relied on to apply common sense in the next few weeks and months? obviously we now have this road map, we have quite a detailed plan, but in the end it is down to people's behaviour. well, yes, i think to some degree people can be relied upon to apply common sense to a situation, but we have to remember that there is actually quite a high level of fear within the population at the moment, and fear has the capacity to obscure any level of common sense often. so i think the clear that we can be in our
4:25 pm
messaging to people, then the easier it is for people to follow the guidance. and whilst the vast majority of people have complied with the government's messaging so far, we know that a small proportion happened, and so the clearer we are in the messaging, the more we can be sure that people who want to comply with the messaging will do so, and then we can apply measures to those who choose not to come about within the framework of a very clear guidance, rather than there being a slightly loose and woolly message thatis slightly loose and woolly message that is open to interpretation. all right, very good to talk to both of you, natalie mcdermott, clinical lecturer in infectious at king's couege lecturer in infectious at king's college london, and robert west, professor of health psychology at university college london, many thanks to both of you for your time. the key to whether lockdown measures can be relaxed, according to the governments timetable, will be how much the virus is still spreading and whether health officials feel the outbreak is under control. our
4:26 pm
health correspondence dominic hughes has been looking at the factors that have influenced the government's decisions. on the isle of wight, a potentially life—saving piece of technology, a mobile phone app, is being put through its paces. the idea is to alert those who might have come into contact with someone who has fallen ill with covid—19. it's a vital part of the government's strategy — tracking and tracing those who were exposed to the virus to prevent a second spike in infection. it starts taking measurements of the distance between my phone and other app users' phones. if i later go on to develop symptoms, i'm able to go back into the app and report those symptoms, and then during the isle of wight phase, i will be put through to a call centre, an 0800 number, where i can request a virology test kit, which is sent to my home. a test will be also offered to those contacts who go on to develop symptoms — all part of the plan to contain local outbreaks of the illness. the number of testing centres has grown, but a target of 100,000 tests
4:27 pm
a day has proved difficult to meet. after i developed a sore throat, late last week, i was offered a test in manchester, and then capacity wasn't a problem. i've been directed to bay three, so i'm nowjust waiting for the test to happen. we had to have all of our windows... they ask you to put all your windows up, everyone talks to you through the window, everyone is masked up. having accurate data on how many people are becoming infected is vital to keeping a lid on any outbreaks. key to this is knowing the value of what scientists call the r number. that refers to the rate of infection for the virus. it's the number of people that, on average, every person with the disease will pass it on to. with coronavirus, without social distancing, that number is three. every person infecting three others means a rapidly expanding outbreak. the key is to get r below one and keep it there, because then
4:28 pm
you have a shrinking epidemic. the lockdown means r is now somewhere between 0.5 and 0.9, still dangerously close to one. so ministers are stressing the risk of a fresh outbreak remain. we've seen it in other countries around the world. they've gone into lockdown, they've come out, they do so without proper measures in place, and the virus goes back up above the so—called r level one, which risks an exponential growth in the virus and a second spike. back on the isle of wight, more than 50,000 people have now downloaded the nhs app, reassured any personal information is safe and the app complies with data—protection laws. making sure people don't actually get any of my information, that is important. any issues, any concerns? not for our own personal phones. they worked ok. until a vaccine is developed, still months away, experts believe a policy of track, trace and test offers the best chance of keeping covid—19 under control. dominic hughes, bbc news.
4:29 pm
the prime minister has said there in england who cannot work from home should be actively encouraged to go to work, but how easy will it be for businesses to get up and running? whilst also respecting social distancing rules —— macro economics correspondent andy verity has this report. the first sign you will see of a return to the old normal — a huge tailback near the blackwall tunnel in east london. the message for people who can't work from home, to return to work, means traffic, especially for those trying to follow the government advice to avoid public transport. advice which, tojudge by this empty commuter train, was being followed this morning. even before the prime minister's speech yesterday, some manufacturers were reopening, with social distancing measures in place. in mid wales, where the advice is to stay home, this machinery firm has brought in 53 hand washing stations in a one—way system so workers can stay two metres apart.
4:30 pm
yeah, sometimes you do have to think about it, because you see somebody, you are like, get into a conversation, and then you think, wait, step back. you are here working, so it takes your mind off it, it's only when you get home and you see the news again. our facilities are as safe as we can possibly get it. if we find other ways, we will obviously look at them. this is the unknown, there's no textbook telling you what to do, we have had to figure this out as we go along. we are dealing with people's lives and incomes but are trying to keep the business viable. but there were already signs this morning ofjust how hard it is going to be to maintain social distancing in rush—hour. spotting people at work who aren't two metres apart is all too easy, as shown by these aerial shots filmed this morning of a london construction site. it is much easier for white—collar workers who can do theirjobs at home to follow the government advice, much harder for blue—collar workers
4:31 pm
who if they don't leave the house, don't make any money. they're the ones who have to stay alert. we found out this morning that the death rates among blue—collar workers are significantly higher security guards saw death rates from covid in april at nearly 47 per 100,000 workers, over ten times the average. for taxi drivers, it is 36 per 100,000, for bus and coach drivers, and for those in sales and retail... the important thing here is that workers have to have confidence that in going back to work, they can protect their health and of course the health of their families and communities. for some in thosejobs, though, the elevated risk is still tiny, up against the pressure to get back to work. i looked at the stats myself a while ago, and for people without underlying health conditions, of a certain age, i worked it out to be less than zero.
4:32 pm
4:33 pm
4:34 pm
4:35 pm
4:36 pm
4:37 pm
4:38 pm
4:39 pm
4:40 pm
4:41 pm
4:42 pm
4:43 pm
4:44 pm
4:45 pm
4:46 pm
4:47 pm
4:48 pm
4:49 pm
4:50 pm
4:51 pm
4:52 pm
4:53 pm
4:54 pm
4:55 pm
4:56 pm
4:57 pm
4:58 pm
4:59 pm
5:00 pm

94 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on