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of the cliff and get cut off, that kind of thing. i've been in surfing for 15 years or so and you know when not to go in, you know what to look for. if you're not confident, then don't risk it. look, this is where the rnli lifeguards would normally be based and, obviously, the surf life—saving club there. one of the most important things they would be doing at a time like this is assessing exactly what the sea state's like, what's happening, where the dangerous currents are, where the rips are, putting the flags in to let people know where and when not to go swimming and to go surfing to ensure it's as safe as possible for people visiting. so, surfs up in england at least, yet covid continues to create problems and life remains anything but normal. john maguire, bbc news, cornwall. time for a look at the weather.
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hello. the last thing you would probably want to do is go into the sea. at the beginning of the week it was cold and cloudy, the wind was coming from the north. we got there in the end, slowly but surely we have seen an improvement. this was gloucestershire earlier on this morning. if you want to get a bit more dramatic, have a look at argyll and bute a few hours ago. threatening looking cloud. light, patchy rain in the north of scotland, but the cloud is starting to build and generally we will see cloud right across the country. but it isa cloud right across the country. but it is a quiet story for many. a few scattered showers in scotland, maybe into northern ireland. here stronger winds gusting in the excess of 30 to 40 winds gusting in the excess of 30 to a0 miles an hour. colder here at 8-12, but a0 miles an hour. colder here at 8—12, but top temperatures peaking at 18. 0vernight tonight we keep that cloud and it will act like a
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blanket and prevent those temperatures from falling down into freezing. it will be a quiet night and we keep those showers in the north, but frost free to start off the weekend. tomorrow morning cloudy, but it will break up with sunny spells. showers and strengthening winds feature, widely 30-a0 strengthening winds feature, widely 30—a0 miles an in scotland, here it will not feel particularly warm. but we will see temperatures peaking into the mid to high teens. as we move out of saturday and into sunday there is a chance of more significant rain into the far north—west, and for northern ireland and the far north—west we could see 15 millimetres of rainfall. but if the wind swings round to more of a southerly direction, temperatures will respond in england and wales, 18-21 the will respond in england and wales, 18—21 the high. gardeners and growers in england and wales are telling us they need some rain. if you take a look at the rainfall accumulation for the next few days,
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the darker blues is where the heaviest rain is likely to be and it is in the north—west of the great glen where we'll see a couple of inches of rainfall. as we head into next week, fine and dry weather conditions and once again warm it up. that might please some of you. as the high bills in from the south—west it will drag in this warmerair south—west it will drag in this warmer air from south—west it will drag in this warmer airfrom the south—west it will drag in this warmer air from the south—west and from wednesday we could see temperatures peaking as high as 25 degrees. a reminder of our top story... teachers‘ unions are preparing to meet the government's scientific advisers, to demand assurances that it will be safe to allow more children to return to schools in england next month. that's all from the bbc news at one, so it's goodbye from me and on bbc one we nowjoin the bbc‘s news teams where you are.
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this good this afternoon, it's 1.30pm and here's your latest sports news... league one clubs have failed to reach an agreement on whether to end their season — after a meeting today. they'll discuss the subject again next week — with so much at stake for clubs facing relegation or promotion. league two sides have also been meeting today, we've yet to hear the outcome of their discussions. one of those clubs with a lot to lose is rotherham, who were in the second automatic promotion spot from league one, when the season was halted. well, i spoke with my financial director a count up to may and it was showing that rotherham would be £600,000 with cash flow problems. that is the end of may. if that ran into christmas, behind closed doors it would be over £1 million and i think for one and league 2, that be disaster. it would follow with a lot
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of clu bs disaster. it would follow with a lot of clubs having to go into administration. no decision for league1 administration. no decision for league 1 or a link to yet. —— league 2 yet. the next meeting of premier league clubs is set for monday, when players may be able to return to group training, under strict social distancing rules. they've so far been limited to individual sessions so this would be the next step towards restarting the league, which would be good news for liverpool, who are 25 points clear at the top of the table. managerjurgen klopp says he appreciates the steps that have to be taken before any resumption is possible. we all have the same problems and we have to make sure that we do the right things, obviously. in the moment when we can start again the premier league will organise it and all the clubs have to organise it, all the clubs have to organise it, all the clubs have to organise it, all the things, training will not be all the things, training will not be a threat for anybody because when we start there is enough space on the pitches where the players, so i think the premier league grounds will be the safest places, the
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training grants will be the safest places in europe. you can see the full interview withjurgen klopp on football focus tomorrow, as well as a special feature on his formative years as a player and coach in germany. that's on bbc one, from 12 o'clock. england captain harry kane has joined forces with his old club leyton orient, to sponsor their shirts next season. the home kits will carry a message of thanks to front line workers tackling the coronavirus pandemic, and the other two strips will feature haven house children's hospice and the mental health charity mind. kane was born and brought up close to 0rient‘s stadium and he made his first professional start for the side in 2011, while on loan from tottenham. he said he was happy to have a platform to offer his thanks to front line workers and charities, and to give back to the club that launched his professional career. when i went to lighting, it was my first taste of professional football andi first taste of professional football and ijust first taste of professional football and i just fell in first taste of professional football and ijust fell in love with it, i fell in love with the the time there
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—— leyton. i could see how much it meant to the players and the fans andi meant to the players and the fans and i scored a few goals there and just had a real good connection with everyone. i'll have more for you in the next hour. thank you. a very good afternoon. you're watching bbc news. we will continue with our coverage of everything surrounding coronavirus. the welsh first minister has unveiled what he's called a ‘traffic light road map‘ to lead the country out of lockdown, which will apply to reopening schools, playing sports and using public services. the different colours will respresent the extent of restrictions being eased, with green meaning the end of lockdown, but mark drakeford said he would continue to take a cautious approach. i'm not going to say that anybody has been irresponsible. there are choices to be made here and you can argue the case in more than one way.
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and across the world, there are some countries that have chosen to set out a date—driven road map to coronavirus and there are others — new zealand, australia, the northern ireland executive earlier this week, and now wales — that prefers to set out a sequence, a pathway that people can follow and i've done it for the reasons that we said. what i can say to people in wales is that with the changes we've made at the start of this week, that journey has begun, that we set out in the sequence that they can see, that traffic light sequence, how events can move in the future. it tells people how we will make decisions as to when the right moment has come to move from one zone into the other. and while that doesn't give people that sort of calendar—type approach, i think it does give people who study the document a pretty clear sense of the direction that we are setting out on, the steps that we will need to take, the tests that we will apply,
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and all of that always seen through the lens of public health and keeping us all safe. mark drakeford mark dra keford speaking mark drakeford speaking in the last hour and mark drakeford speaking in the last hourand a mark drakeford speaking in the last hour and a half or so. in scotland, which is also maintaining a ‘stay at home' message, the first minister nicola sturgeon said any changes to lockdown would depend on the scientific evidence. we will continue to monitor the evidence very closely on an ongoing basis. as we hopefully see more evidence of a downward trend in the virus, we will then consider further changes, but we will do so on a very careful and gradual basis. when we know that lives are at stake and we have learned that every day over these past seven or eight weeks as i have set up here day in and day out and read out numbers of people had died, we do know that lives are at sta ke died, we do know that lives are at stake with this virus. for as long as that continues to be the case, i am going to continue to air on the
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side of caution. air on the side of saving lives and reducing the number of people who might die unnecessarily and i hope i have your continued understanding in doing that. however, ialso continued understanding in doing that. however, i also want to give you as much visibility and advance notice of future changes as possible. we cannot live like this forever, so we need to get some normality back as we continue to suppress the virus. we will try to set out as we have done in recent weeks, on an ongoing basis as much of our thinking and consideration as we can. even where we cannot yet confirm dates of when things will open up again, at least we will seek to share with you the order of priority and potential phasing. nicola sturgeon just nicola sturgeonjust a nicola sturgeon just a little earlier today. now on bbc news it's time for your questions answered — with annita mcveigh
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you've been sending in lots of really good questions about the situations that you're in during the coronavirus pandemic and here to try to answer them today. 0ur chris hopson, chief executive of nhs providers. and i'm alsojoined by dr. andrew preston from the department of biology and biochemistry at the university of bath. chris and andrew, good morning to both of you and thank you very much for your time again. just before we get into the viewers questions, though, chris, iwant to ask you about a story we're carrying today where doctors have accused some hospital managers of trying to silence them when they raise concerns about personal protective equipment. bbc newsnight has found the doctor's
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association in the uk has warned that stopping doctors speaking out about risks and speaking out risks a culture of fear and self—censorship which could ultimately threaten patients' safety. what's your reaction to this story? well, i think there were always two sides to a story, and i thought it was slightly unfortunate, to be frank, that newsnight, but also the news bbc news online story that's been covering this today haven't got the other side of the story. and the other side of the story is that obviously nhs trust managers that we represent will want to hear concerns. and as far as i'm concerned, there is no attempt to stop people speaking out. but i can see why people might interpret some things that leaders say in trusts as potentially being muzzling. so i'll give you a couple of examples. the first is that we know that in a crisis, it's really important that in fact, it's the law that communications are carefully controlled. and what happens is that nhs england are very specific about who is able to talk on behalf of the nhs. and effectively, that means that trust leaders need to ensure that in terms of public utterances on behalf of the nhs, they do go through the appropriate channels. but are you absolutely clear, though, that if doctors are raising concerns which they think affect
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either the health and safety of them and their colleagues or patients, that they should not be in any circumstances threatened with losing their jobs? of course they shouldn't be. and there is very, very clear guidance and actually a process that is set up inside the nhs called freedom to speak up guardians, which enables people to raise concerns. but let me give you another example of an incident that was covered quite extensively in the media about two or three weeks ago, where a member of agency staff felt that they were not given the personal protection equipment that they needed. but when we spoke to the trust concerned, what they'd said was that that individual member of agency staff was demanding a higher level of protection than the guidance and every other member of staff was actually being provided with. they had had a dialogue with that member of staff and offered to make them to alternative duties, but they refuse to do so. that was the trusts
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responsibility in that case ensure that the guidelines which everybody else was observing were being observed. and what i'm doing is i'm just quote that an example for the fact that there usually are two sides to the story. but the bit that's really important is every trust leader knows that it's theirjob to listen carefully to concerns that their front line staff. and to ensure there are appropriate mechanisms for those concerns to be raised. 0k. well, let's get on then to our viewers' questions. but thank you for answering those questions on that important story. chris, the first question then for you, andrew, from a viewer. this is from carol. she asks, why can we not allow family and friends in our house but are allowed to let in complete strangers for a house viewing? so this comes down to the types of interactions involved with those two scenarios. so presumably, if it's complete strangers, you'd be unlikely to greet them with a hug, as you might do with your family and friends. so i think the idea is that most
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people, when their house is being viewed, they're actually out of the premise and they're not interacting with those strangers and think that estate agents have been given lots of guidance about minimizing contamination of the house when viewing. so not touching things. and then when people come back of disinfecting potential services and door handles, for example. so the two situations, presumably you wouldn't treat your family and friends when they come around in exactly the same way as someone viewing your house. it's all about minimising those risky interactions. now, i think the two situations would give rise to a very, very different interactions. and that's a good way to think about it, because we've seen lots of questions of this nature since the westminster government announced this reviewed or revised guidance, haven't we, as people try to get their their heads around, you know, shifting very gradually from this complete lockdown to something slightly different? absolutely, i think most people's questions are sort of based on the idea
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that perhaps now that we're easing restrictions, has the risk gone away and of course it hasn't. so all of these easing of restrictions are still based on minimising the numbers of interactions that we have between people maintaining that physical distancing. and that's really important to keep that message clear. absolutely. chris, a question for you from paul coleman. paul asks, what is an acceptable death rate for the government to ease lockdown completely? now, that's a very stark phrase, acceptable death rate, isn't it? but ultimately, governments all around the world are asking that question. are they looking at the balance between easing restrictions and how many people are dying from this virus? yeah, i mean, clearly, i'm not a representative of the government, so i can't fully explain their thinking, but exactly as you say they're trying to balance a number of different factors. the first is clearly we want to minimize the number of deaths. we want to protect the nhs.
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but equally, at the same time, we know and here's a health point actually that there are economic, social and health consequences of staying in lockdown. so what we're trying to do, what the government is trying to do is work out how to ease lockdown in a way that meets all of those objectives. there is, i think, a word picture to have in your mind at this point, which is that of a faulty tap and what i'm saying about easing lockdown is that what you'd ideally want is a tap which you could open, and then you could see what the for example, the amount of virus spread is. and then you'd want to be able to close it off very quickly if you thought it was getting too great. but the problem with the tap is it's not a perfect tap. what you can do is you can open it up. you don't really know what's going to happen. and the problem is, is that if you open it up too quickly when you try and turn it off, actually there's probably a lag between turning it off and the number of cases of virus spread occurring. so we just need to recognise that in may if that is the situation. —— that -- that if —— that if that is the situation comedy thing to do is probably to twist tap a tiny bit each time, see
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what happens and then when you're confident that you can turn it happy bit faster, then you can do so. but what you mustn't do is turn it to quick because you won't be able to turn it back off again and be confident about what the results are. and that is a useful image. but i think in terms of paul's question, no government anywhere is going to say as overtly as that there is to quote that question, an acceptable death rate level at which a government might ease lockdown completely. elaine asks, my husband is 77 and i am 72, both healthy. the information we are being given is very confusing. are we allowed to have increased exercise now? so, again, i think perhaps let's distinguish between exercise and perhaps what they mean is going out. so it's possible to exercise within your home. so if you have a garden lucky enough to have one of those, you should be able to safely exercise there in terms —— in terms of going out, and virtually both would still count any vulnerable category.
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we know there's a very strong age determinant too, to the severity with which people can suffer from covid—19 disease. the other thing i think to consider is even if you if you think you can get out of the house in a very safe fashion, you can't be absolutely sure that you're not going to interact with people or need to interact with people if something happens. and i think also the other factor now is, of course, as restrictions are starting to be eased, i suspect that more people will be out and about. so your chances of coming across other people are actually going to increase over these these next few weeks. so unfortunately, i think, you know, the safest advice is if you are still in the vulnerable category, the advice hasn't actually changed, which is to tell you're shielding period. yes it is about continuing caution and keeping a distance, isn't it? matthew mcfadden asks chris, can you travel from england to scotland for an immediate family member's funeral during lockdown? so i think the advice they gave is people willjust need to really look at the detailed guidance. and the complicating factor
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here is you need to look at two sets of guidance, which is england and scotland. i've done that. and the conclusions that i've drawn, because the problem is, of course, is you can't specify every single individual personal circumstance in the guidance. but i've looked at guidance, and what the guidance says is that in scotland, in terms of the funeral guidance, is that funerals, you are allowed to attend funerals, but you need to observe social distancing, but you need to be think very carefully about attending if, for example, you're part of a high risk group. so i don't know this particular questioner‘s age. and also you need to think very carefully about attending a funeral when you shouldn't attend if a member of your household is symptomatic. now, in terms ofjourneying from england to scotland, the scottish first minister has been very clear that as far as the scottish government is concerned, you can travel across the border for an essential activity. so if, for example, you werejust south of the border and the nearest
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the nearest supermarket is already border in scotland, you can travel. it doesn't say whether a funeral is an essential activity or not. my assumption is that it would be, but i think i would suggest to the question, just read books, sets, guidance. my conclusion is yes, you are. but i think you should you should take responsibility for drawing your own conclusion, too. i want to try and squeeze in a few more questions if i can. so perhaps if we can keep the answers a little bit shorter for these next few and we can get through a few more. andrew, for you from tom sneddon, before the lockdown was implemented, i temporarily moved into a family home in another uk region to be with my parents. under the current rules, am i allowed to return to my original home? if you don't actually need to, then i guess the recommendation would still be no. we're trying to minimise unnecessary travel and unnecessary interactions. so on that basis, the answer would be no. 0k, chris from teresa.
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what is stopping the government , nhs england, etc. from using the nightingale's as isolation hospitals for it only allowing our permanent hospitals to get back to dealing safely and separately with cancer treatments, other treatments and operations that people are waiting for. that's a very good question. it is a very good question. and the answer to the question is, that clearly these were created at a very short space of time. temporary facilities are not permanently built hospitals. we are literally in the process of working out in the nhs what we have those hospitals four. people can rest assured that we will be using them appropriately. and just finally for you, andrew. is there any news on visiting family members who are in care homes? not at the moment, we know that it's still a major problem in terms of disease within care homes. completely restricting the interactions and then the flow
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in and out of those is still absolutely critical to protecting the people within them. so no, no change in guidance at the moment. 0k, dr andrew preston from the university of bath and chris hopson from nhs providers. thank you both very much indeed for answering those questions today. and thank you to you for sending them in. you are still watching bbc news. let's talk about education, it is a big topic today. we know what's expected of primary schools when it comes to reopening but there'a less detail for secondary schools. tolu adeoye has spent a day at springwest academy in london to see some of the challenges they're facing — and their plans going forward. 0k? this is how a day now starts at springwest academy in felton. the children now come in and have their temperature checked and
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they are also registered by reception. they carry on walking down this corridor to the hand washing and you can see we have marked the corridor with two metres distances. the school has nearly 1000 pupils, but fewer than 20 going at the moment. all children of key workers and those identified as vulnerable. about 12 students in here from years seven, eight and nine and they are now logging onto the morning learning slot which is ten to 11. they will be logging on to the same lessons and as their counterparts are doing at home. almost half the academy‘s kids are what the government deems as disadvantaged. eligible for free school meals, their families receiving universal credit. lilly is in year seven. it is hard to get work done at home. i have five siblings, three brothers and two sisters, and it's really busy because there is a lot of us running around. so have you actually like coming to school than? yeah. i get to see friends and we speak at lunch and things, but we still have to stay two metres.
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i like coming into school because then i can do my work in school instead of worrying about doing it all at home and i have things to do at home as well. and how it is a work going at home with the girls? so—so. it is getting them to sit down and out. later we meet georgina, one of the parents here. she has been finding it more difficult to make ends meet. it is myself and three children, 15, 13. bit harder. my younger boy has got special needs as well so that is a little bit harder. so i am hoping that he will be going back to school soon. the teachers have been brilliant, they ring in, checking on us, make sure that everyone is ok. the school has identified that around 20% of its families do not quite qualify for official help, but still need support. passwords, anything like that, you just e—mail... mandy has popped in to get a laptop for her granddaughter. how much help of that going to be? 0h, a lot. yes, a lot of help. has she had enough to work in? yes, i think she has. it will be much
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better if you can get online. the school welcomes the ambition for people taking exams next year to have times with teachers before the summer. have times with teachers before the summer. they have planned a later start time, ten students per class a stay in fixed rooms, and the kids will eat at lunchtime with a takeaway. the greater concern for the head here is the longer term impact of the disruption. it is going to affect communities like oui’s more so going to affect communities like ours more so than other communities. i think that disadvantage gap has the potential to really increase. as ever, i think funding would be really, really helpful. we know that we are going to probably have to support our families more aware things like uniform grants. there will be an increase in families applying for free school meals. what we have seen today at spring west academy is affected at a lot of schools across london. the fight against coronavirus has a showing that they are much more than just education providers and that really is fundamental to some of the challenges they are going to face over the coming months. lilly feels
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her first year at secondary school has been taken away from her. her first year at secondary school has been taken away from henm her first year at secondary school has been taken away from her. it has gone really fast because we have literally just feels like we gone really fast because we have literallyjust feels like we have come to the school. she hopes that if there is not a green future school years. —— she hopes that the virus will not ruin future school yea rs. now it's time for a look at the weather. it was quite a cold and cloudy start her week but temperatures have been gradually recovering. in actual fa ct, gradually recovering. in actual fact, if you're out in some sunshine this morning in gloucestershire, it felt pleasant with winds. —— like twins. across argyll and bute, a beautiful sight, but have them threatening looking cloud. that cloud is producing some rain as well. early morning sunshine is now clouding over, a few glimpses of sunshine developing across england and wales. generally speaking, this weather front will continue to
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enhance some showers into the far and with the cloud, that means those temperatures are going to hold up above freezing. it is going to be a frost—free start to the weekend, as you can see, at around four to eight celsius. saturday morning, a cloudy night for many, but hopefully the cloud and make again for some sunshine and sunlight winds it will feel quite present. maybe northern ireland in north—west england and into scotland, the winds are strengthening into scotland while in excess of 30 or a0 mph, may stronger in chilling organelles as temperatures generally at around 12 to 18 celsius. that is where we should be, really for the time of year. there is a chance of more significant rain to come across northern ireland and scotland on sunday, as much as a 50 millimetres, a couple of inches of rainfall. it may move erratically east, but further south more sunshine and, as a consequence, a bit more wind, temperatures perhaps peaking at 21
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celsius. —— a bit more warmth. across england and wales, gardeners and growers are starting to need sums welcome rain. it looks like it will stay dry for the next few days here, rainfallaccumulation, will stay dry for the next few days here, rainfall accumulation, the darker blues a couple of inches of rain chiefly to the north—west of the great glen. 0nce rain chiefly to the north—west of the great glen. once we get is out of the way, it does look as though the fine, dry weather is set to return and it is going to warm up again as high pressure builds, the azores high, across from the south—west and that means the wind direction is going to come in from the south—west. a warm sauce at this time of year, so we are widely going to see temperatures into the low 20s as we motored to debate, maybe on wednesday they could be in excess of 25 celsius.
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this is bbc news, i'mjane hill. the headlines: teaching unions are meeting government scientific advisers to seek assurances over safety, amid plans to reopen schools in england next month. wales' first minister says he's sticking with the stay at home message, and won't give a timetable for easing the lockdown. new research finds the coronavirus infection rate in london is now far lower than in other parts of england, particularly the north east and yorkshire. as people in england are now able to travel to enjoy the open air this weekend, the rnli urges extra care by the coast, as lifeboat services remain very limited.

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