tv Outside Source BBC News May 21, 2020 9:00pm-9:31pm BST
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this is outside source on bbc news for viewers in the uk and around the world. we're covering all the latest coronavirus developments china plans to impose a new national security law that will give it an even firmer grip on hong kong. this is the end of hong kong, this is the end of one country, two systems. make no mistake about it. staggering jobless figures from the us — the number of americans claiming
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unemployment benefits since march nears a0 million. at least 84 people are killed as cyclone amphan leaves a trail of destruction across parts of india and bangladesh. we delve into the politics of brazil as the number of deaths from coronavirus there nears 20,000 — and infections skyrocket. welcome. china is proposing to introduce new security laws in hong kong. the issue is on the agenda for the national peoples' congress session, which will start in beijing on friday. the npc is china's parliament, although it's seen as little more than a rubber stamp for communist party decisions. 0pponents say the new laws essentially amount to a power grab by china. beijing says the laws will bring hong kong into line with the mainland. here's a government spokesperson. translation: national security is the bedrock of the country's stability. safeguarding national security is the common interest of all people,
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including hong kong compatriots. hong kong's mini constitution, called the basic law, came into effect when british rule ended in 1997 and the territory was handed back to china. it does require its government to bring in a security law. and beijing has always had the power to enact the national security law into the basic law. but that's not how many in hong kong see this move though. have a listen. this is the end of hong kong. this is the end of one country, two systems. make no mistake about it that beijing, the central people's government has completely breached its promise to the hong kong people, a promise that was enshrined in the sino—british joint declaration and the basic law, and they are now completely walking back on their obligation owed to the hong kong people. there are fears that these proposed laws are actually aimed at suppressing scenes like these. these images show the violent
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clashes between authorities and pro—democracy protestors in 2019 and earlier this year. this was in response to a bill that would have allowed beijing to extradite people to mainland china to face trial. here's the bbc‘s martin yip in hong kong with more. we might not know any formal details until they actually pass the resolution, but what we can tell from those leaks on local media, multiple media outlets in hong kong, includes subversion, separatism, terror activities and foreign intervention. it's set to be a decision to be passed by the national people's congress. so it's more likely to be like a decree, rather than like a full piece of law, with jail time and all that. but these are the four areas that will be covered in this law at this moment. you might remember that there used
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to be a proposed legislation on national security legislation in hong kong back in 2003 which ended up with such a backlash and almost 500,000 people going onto the streets in protest. the only point that is new on top of that being which was demanded by beijing is terrorism. gina anne tam, a historian specialising in china, tweeted the following... next, let's hearfrom martin lee, a veteran politician in hong kong. he played a leading role in drafting the law that specified the constitutional rights and freedoms of hong kong citizens when the uk handed it back to china in 1997. here's his reaction to the news. well, china is going to break even more promises made to hong kong
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people and to the british government in the sino—british joint declaration by keeping on doing these things. it's notjust the law which they intend to pass in beijing, for hong kong, which is clearly in breach of thejoint declaration in beijing's law because it is up to the hong kong legislature, our legislative council, to enact laws for hong kong. the standing committee of the npc cannot do it under our constitution, the basic law, but they are going to do it, so quite apart from that draconian law which is going to be passed, it will be passed in beijing instead of in hong kong. now, i think they are afraid that they may lose control of the hong kong legislative council at the next election a few
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months later in september, so they want to start a precedent so that they can legislate for hong kong, bypassing the hong kong legislative council, so it is a double disasterfor hong kong. we still haven't had any reaction from the united kingdom to this news. as for other international reaction, here's president trump. i don't know what it is because nobody knows yet. if it happens, we'll address that issue very strongly. missed the state department has since warned china against imposing these laws. —— the state department has warned china. lord chris patten was hong kong's last governor before the 1997 handover. he thinks the uk shoud be leading an international response to beijing's announcement. we should make it clear to the chinese that this is outrageous and the prime minister and the foreign secretary should make that absolutely clear. we should talk to our allies,
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our friends around the world, all of whom have a stake in two things. first of all, the continuance of hong kong as a great international city in asia. and secondly, in whether or not china can be trusted to keep its word. they are all too many examples of that not being the case. the way it has actually used the preoccupation, which everybody rightly has with fighting this awful epidemic, they have used that preoccupation in order to bully and harass in other areas and one of them is in hong kong. professor rana mitter is the director of the university of oxford china centre. what is your thinking in the timings of this decision, these negotiations, this debate that takes place on friday, why now? i think place on friday, why now? ithinka place on friday, why now? i think a couple of things have come together, one is, as your speakers
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were saying, they covid—19 pandemic has meant the attention of the world is turned away. provides a breathing space in terms of the policy. secondly, it's clear for months china has been coming increasingly impatient and outraged by the way it sees hong kong be out of control and in some ways their problem is not the violent protests which caught lots of the attention last year but actually the increased peaceful protest that was becoming more and more obvious in the streets during last year, and the democratic election at local council election of candidates against the idea of expanding beijing's power. it seemed this was a moment to choose before the situation went even more away from the direction beijing would like to take. we are sensing the sense of shock about this and anger but when it comes to it beijing has always had the right to enact these security laws into hong kong's basic law, so why the outrage?
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that is true and in 2003 there was an attempt to put it into action that was stopped by a demonstration of about 500,000 people. the most important thing is notjust the implementation of the law but how it gets used. hong kong still has a much freer press than the rest of china, it still has an independent judiciary with some foreign judges on it. if those institutions now seem to basically come under the control of the wider legislation then we will know the economy promised to hong kong in 1997 which chris patten oversaw, if that changes, i think that will suggest something has really changed in hong kong and it will also mean china has given up on it being a major international city because rule of law and free press are two of the things that make hong kong distinct and give the international business community confidence they can keep their investment in resources there. this idea, one country, two systems
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that has operated in hong kong, are you effectively saying it's going to come to an end? i'm not saying that, i'm saying this isa i'm not saying that, i'm saying this is a very dangerous moment because if this law is enacted and technically it is true that beijing is entitled to do it, how it is implemented and how the promises of autonomy, freedom and the ability to descend and speak more freely than the rest of china that is unique to hong kong within greater china are saved from taiwan which is not ruled by beijing, if that changes it will make the rest of the world extremely nervous about how china is going —— aside from taiwan. keeping hong kong aside from taiwan. keeping hong kong as it is is one token that china has given the world that they still stick to international treaties and how they handle this will give very important precedent for the world's dealing with china. what can the rest of the world effectively do if, as you suggest,
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china is willing to let hong kong go asa china is willing to let hong kong go as a major trading territory? it is not clear that's the case yet. it is not clear that's the case yet. it is not clear that's the case yet. it is very much the case china major tech industry, watchjust across it is very much the case china major tech industry, watch just across the border, really relies on hong kong asa border, really relies on hong kong as a pool of capital to bring about investment and anything that scared off investors or the fear of hong kong business people they could easily be extradited to the mainland, these things will damage business confidence if they come about. it will be incumbent on beijing to say we are implementing the law because we want to get this done but we want to demonstrate, bend over backwards, almost, to show nothing else has changed in hong kong. that is a big challenge but thatis kong. that is a big challenge but that is exactly what the rest of the world will be looking for and i am sure calling out if they see backsliding in terms of conditions allowing free business, media and speech. fascinating to get your insight. thank you so much. the national people's congress will be debating
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this issue on friday we will have coverage of that. here in the uk, nhs workers, carers, hospital patients and care home residents will be among the first to be tested for coronavirus antibodies from next week. the government has agreed a deal with the pharmaceutical company roche and abbott labs to buy the tests, which will show if someone has already had the virus. it comes as the number of deaths reported in the last 2a hours has gone up by 338, bringing the official death toll in the uk to just over 36,000. here's our health editor hugh pym. it's a test which can tell you if you've already had coronavirus, and whether you might have immunity, and that's important for someone needing to know whether it's relatively safe to go into work. the test, which looks for antibodies in the bloodstream, is going to be made available from next week to tens of thousands of nhs and care workers and patients every day.
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we're developing this critical science to know the impact of a positive antibody test, and to develop the systems of certification to ensure people who have positive antibodies can be given assurance about what they can safely do. lower the window and i will pass the test through. the other form of testing shows whether someone currently has the virus. nasal and throat swabs are taken and sent off to labs. it was frustrating... some key workers, like ludmila, who works in a care home, say they are struggling to get tested. she had to get a lift for a long drive to a test centre after she couldn't book a home test kit. it would always come up that home testing kits are unavailable. there was also no mobile testing — when people come to you to your home to test you. so the only option is to drive. so if you don't drive then you are basically stuck. widespread testing and then tracing people who might have been infected by those who tested positive is seen
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as essential if any future spread of the virus is to be curbed but it's a complex process. here's how contact tracing should work. if i test positive for the virus i would be contacted by officials by phone or e—mail and asked who i had met up with in recent days, and that means meetings at less than two metres, face—to—face, not someone i might have bumped into in a shop. that might include, for example, friends i had spent time with and work colleagues i might have been in meetings with, or a wider circle of recent contacts. all that would then be assessed by a clinical team and those people might be contacted and told to self—isolate for 1h days. there will also be a mobile phone app to help the tracing process. the prime minister says the full system will be in place by early june but some health leaders are sceptical. i am less concerned about a june 1st date.
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the question is, have we actually got an effective system in place and we don't introduce further lockdown measures until we are absolutely sure that the system works effectively. there are now over five million confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide, and roughly one third of them are in the us, where the pandemic continues to devastate the job market there. another 2.4 million people have filed for unemployment benefits in the past week. although the rate of increase is slowing, today's numbers mean more than 38 million people have claimed unemployement benefits since the middle of march, that's nearly a quarter of the american workforce. 0ur correspondent nick bryant puts this into context for us, tweeting... samira hussain picks up on this and has more on what it
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could mean in the long term. as you pointed out, the numbers at this weekly pace is starting to drop, the all—time high was 6.9 million and that happened at the end of march so we are seeing numbers coming down but now what is really worrying that some economists is just how permanent some of these lay—offs will be. initially, most people believe these were all going to be initial lay—offs while restau ra nts a nd stores to be initial lay—offs while restaurants and stores were closed, but once economies start and reopening those jobs would come but once economies start and reopening thosejobs would come back roaring. that, now we're seeing, in fa ct, roaring. that, now we're seeing, in fact, some people are suggesting these lay—offs may actually in fact be permanent. 0ne economist estimated may be 40% of these lay—offs could be permanent and if thatis lay—offs could be permanent and if that is the case this recovery for the economy is going to be very long and very difficult. the white house is under pressure to find ways to alleviate
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the growing economic crisis there. here's what president trump had to say earlier. we have a lot of good things going, we just had a meeting with mitch mcconnell and the group and we are working on a package of very positive things. we are getting some very good numbers. it looks like the numbers are going to be very good into the future. we are going to be very strong starting with our transition period, which will be probablyjune, june —july, i think you're going to see some very good numbers coming out. with more on what the economic crisis means for donald trump's presidency, here's katty kay in washington. everybody realises now that this is going to take quite a long time for the us to recover. the president has actuallyjust landed in the michigan and is touring a ford plant. of course, his emphasis today is on reopening the economy and he still says he thinks there can be a strong recovery and a swift recovery because people have been laid off and,
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as he says, they are desperate to get back to work and get back to normality again. i think if these economists who are seeing some of these jobs are never coming back, 42%, some economists are saying, of these jobs, it's very hard to see how this is going to be what the president is hoping is going to be a v—curve recovery, ie, a swift bounce down but a swift bounce back up again. it's increasingly hard to see how that's going to happen. we don't have much time, but in terms of what this is doing for the president's popularity, it must be having an impact? well, the whole handling of the coronavirus has had some impact but the president's supporters, as we have been hearing, are still very much committed to the idea that he is doing a good job personally. and they still have faith in him. his base seems to be holding with him through all of the coronavirus and through all this economic disruption. stay with us on 0utside source, still to come: we'll delve into what's happening in brazil
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with the coronavirus crisis. scotland's first minister nicola sturgeon has outlined a plan for exiting lockdown. from next week restrictions around some outdoor activities will be relaxed — although she emphasised there was no risk—free way to do this because the virus had not gone away. 0ur scotland correspondent lorna gordon has more details. she set out this route map, if you like, for how she sees life going back to some sort of normal in the weeks and months ahead. the first phase, from next thursday, will involve primarily outdoor activities. people being able to see others from another household as long as it is outside and social distancing is maintained. some outdoor sports resuming, such as tennis, bowling, fishing and golf.
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and outdoor businesses, like agriculture and forestry able to resume as well. garden centres will be able to reopen, as will recycling facilities. this is 0utside source live from the bbc. china plans to impose a new national security law that will give it an even firmer grip on hong kong. at least 84 people are now known to have died in one of the most powerful cyclones to hit india and bangladesh for years. cyclone amphan uprooted trees, brought down electricity and telephone lines, and flattened houses in states along india's coast and south—west bangladesh. yogita limaye reports from mumbai. it hit west bengal on wednesday evening, and then plundered
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through the state for hours. in the morning, this is what the region's biggest city looked like. kolkata ravaged by what many residents say is the worst storm they have experienced. it started being really scary when these trees started cracking. they fell and we understood something big was happening. parts of the city are underwater from, including the airport. everything gone. across the border in bangladesh, more destruction. both countries have a lot of experience dealing with cyclones, that develop each year in the bay of bengal, and evacuation measures save thousands of people. but it will be a while before they can build back their lives. the damage has been devastating. the scale of devastation is quite
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big, so i would say about 50% of the people in our working areas are not going to be back home tonight. as brazil approaches 20,000 deaths from coronavirus, its government is under ever more scrutiny, in particular its controversial presidentjair bolsonaro. ros atkins has been looking at how brazil became central to the global pandemic. in april president bolsonaro was asked about the rapid spread of covid—19 in brazil. by may, brazil's number of cases was the third highest in the world. this virus that the president dismissed as a little flu had killed 17,000 people and he was being held responsible. the leading medicaljournal the lancet put it bluntly, perhaps the biggest threat to brazil's covid—19 response is its president. this is the mayor of sao paulo.
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when you have two virus to combat — the coronavirus and bolsonaro virus. but can we explain brazil's plight through jair bolsonaro alone? certainly the government's initial assessment of the threat raises questions. we paid attention to the united states and the united states was very comfortable on saying he would take care of that, we really felt he had some kind of science that would be released soon. donald trump's boasts turned out to be hollow. that was the former health minister luis henrique mendetta. he advocated social distancing and was fired. next into the job was nelson teich. when asked about mr bolsonaro's decision to reopen gyms he replied, was this announced today? it did not go through the ministry. days later he resigned. according to 0 globo he objected to the president's promotion of an antimalarial drug, chloroquine. and in march president bolsonaro told his supporters the cure is right there. it isn't. but at the third time of asking he does now have a health minister
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who is happy to proceed. chloroquine has been cleared for covid—19 treatment in brazil despite not being proven to work and nasty side—effects. being guided by donald trump, undermining the health ministry, using dismissive language, preoccupation with an unproven drug. these are all relevant to understand what's happening, but argubly the lack of a nationwide lockdown has mattered even more. the president has sought to undermine that idea wherever possible. this is an anti—lockdown rally in brasilia. as you can see, these are not advocates of social distancing. but it is brazil's states, not the president, that have the power to impose restrictions. and they have done so but to very differing degrees and there appear limits to what they are willing to try. around 40% of the labour force is in the informal economy, only partially assisted by the social safety net. a lot of those live from hand to mouth, so for them it is hard to stay inside the house when you don't have the money to buy food. which leads us to the economy. brazil's currency is the worst performing in the world,
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its main stock exchange index has plummeted, manufacturing is slumping and unemployment is rising. a brazilian economist has written of his country, my investment advice would be not to run into a burning building. but how best to put out that fire? the president believes lockdowns will make matters worse. and in purely economic terms he is right. ecuador‘s president has defended its lockdown but says it's as if a family has lost half of what it needs to live. of course, this delicate balance between saving lives and saving incomes is universal in this pandemic. but the bitter political row over whether brazil can afford lockdown has had consequences. at the end of the day he is the president, people take advice from him as the leader and that is what has been so confusing. do people listen to jair bolsonaro or do they take the advice of their state governors? around the world, covid—19 has delivered a deadly lesson that while human beings are influenced by passion, politics and prejudice, viruses aren't.
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to explain brazil's failure to build an urgent, coherent national response we must start with a president who hasn't always appeared to want one. there is much more on our website, as always. we will be back next week. that's it from me. i am on social media, if you would like to get in touch. now it is time for the coronavirus newscast. i have done it because we are going to cross to a colleague, quentin
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somerville who seems to be a must on holiday in greece. how have you manage that? it does feel like a bit of a holiday. normally i am a new middle east correspondent but i've been sat at home for so long they said, how about going to athens and ijumped at the chance just to get on an aeroplane again. this is one of the few places that you can get on a plane because the greeks are trying to begin to open up the tourist industry again. the acropolis opens this week to tourists. foreign tourists cannot come here yet. if you arrive as we did today you get a swa b you arrive as we did today you get a swab stuck down your throat, perhaps thatis swab stuck down your throat, perhaps that is why i am horse. did it hurt? iam quite did it hurt? i am quite squeamish. it didn't hurt, it wasn't too bad.
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they take that swab... if we break to quarantine it is a 5000 euros fine which obviously the bbc would not be too happy about it so we're tonight, we get test results tomorrow. normally, if you are arriving in greece you then have to doa arriving in greece you then have to do a two—week quarantine regardless of whether you are tested positive 01’ of whether you are tested positive or negative. what the greeks are going to do it in a few week's time from the 15th ofjune they are going to get rid of that quarantine and allow people from many countries to return here as holiday makers. will that include the british people, as things stand? that's the million dollar question. as of right now it will not include british people but the have got another 1a days before the actually open the borders and get rid of
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those test, it willjuly one —— a0 days. there is still quite a bit of time and what the greek authorities have been saying, this is not about one particular country, it's about the science and if a country has a very high infection rate then their citizens will not be able to come here as tourists. i have a feeling later on in this podcast we are going to be finding out if there is such a thing as the science from a very special scientific guest who is a member of a very special scientific body. stay tuned for that. what's more in this episode of the coronavirus newscast. hello, it's adam in the studio. and laura in the studio, two metres apart. we will go straight to the downing street briefing. hang on, it is the version by the comedy duo,
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larry and paul. dipping my toe into the science, saying something i do not understand about r. immediately regretting it. explaining what the r value is, wishing base spoke to statistics properly. trying to explain it began, realising the futility and giving up. attending that is what i just said. it isa just said. it is a pastiche. 0bviously. just said. it is a pastiche. obviously. quite accurate in some aspects.|j it is a pastiche. obviously. quite accurate in some aspects. i have no view on any members of the press, any other members of the press. i will leave it at that. i would never express will leave it at that. i would never ex press a will leave it at that. i would never express a view and thus to say expressing solidarity. fergus walsh is keeping an eye on medical issues. where are you right now, what have you been doing? lam you been doing? iamat you been doing? i am at the top of a very big hill that i sometimes cycle up. i am not worrying what i would normally be
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