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christianity has changed their life, but they did not step out on it by choice. this woman and her injured father were among tens of thousands of workers stuck in cities without money and asked india ‘s lockdown. we went to getting food and drink hungry for two days. then i convinced my father it convinced my hungry for two days. then i convinced my father it that we should set off on the bicycle. she told bbc earlier this month. it took seven based from betty to india, history has grabbed the world. in her village, she has has become a celebrity. girls like you should be pouring in every home in india. she has been gifted for new bicycles. the government is building a plate at her home. and a tap means her family's access to water is easier than ever before. poverty forced her out of school, now she's been enrolled again. i never thought this could happen, and very happy, i want to get educated she says. as they adjust to a new life in the
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life on a covid intensive care ward — as coronavirus cases fall — exhausted doctors fear a second peak. europe looks to relax border restrictions — ahead of the vital tourist season. a warning to latin america — now is not the time to ease restrictions, as coronavirus deaths, rise rapidly in brazil and, after a two month corona virus closure — the new york stock exchange, reopens its trading floor. also coming up — the 15—year—old girl in india — who rode i2 hundred kilometres carrying her injured father — to get help during lockdown. hello and welcome to viewers in the uk and the rest of the world. we'll have all the latest developments on coronavirus — this hour.
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in the uk, a junior government minister has resigned and nearly a0 conservative mps, have now called for the prime minister's top adviser, dominic cummings, to resign. douglas ross, who was the under secretary of state for scotland, said the way mr cummings had interpreted the lockdown rules, was different from "the vast majority" who had done as the government had asked. but dominic cummings was supported by the cabinet office minister, michael gove today, who said, his account of his actions had been "exhaustive, detailed and verifiable". the uk health secretary announced at the downing street press conference earlier, that the official coronavirus death toll has risen by 134, to a total of 37,048 deaths in all settings. elsewhere in europe, countries are taking more steps to ease lockdown restrictions — including opening up economies, and relaxing their borders to encourage tourism. and the world health organisation has warned that ‘the americas‘ could be the new epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic. it's worried that outbreaks
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are accelerating in countries like brazil, which currently has the most cases in the world — after the united states. more on those stories in a moment, but first lets talk to our political correspondent jonathan blake. in terms of those calls on dominic cummings to resign orfor him to be sax, the government wanted to draw a line onto this clearly today, they have not been able to. we had the resignation of a junior cabinet minister this morning, douglas ross from the scotland office said he had constituents who did not get to say goodbye to loved ones, family, who could not mourn together. people who did not visit sick relatives because they stuck to the guidelines. he could then, one senior adviser to the government was right and almost hour by hour throughout the day today we have had more conservative
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mps saying publicly that they think dominic cummings said resign or be sax and i think that reflects a lot of correspondence they are getting from their constituents and that there is still a simmering anger and discontent out there among the general public about what dominic cummings dead and the way he defended his actions in that extraordinary news conference at downing street yesterday. others have been more forthright in their tone. the conservative mp said it was humiliating and degrading to the ministers defend mr cummings while the veteran tory mp said the adviser had sent out a very damaging and dangerous methods and back to my the daily briefing in number ten, matt hancock, the health secretary set out a couple of not insignificant announcements that the uk was going to be manufacturing vast quantities of personal protective equipment in the future here in the uk and that there was the roll—out of a drug
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which has been proven that short the recovery time of cabell —— coronavirus patients but that was all overshadowed by questions about dominic cummings and whether matt hancock could himself defend the prime minister's senior adviser and he set out as you heard that it was his view in line with the prime minister that dominic cummings acted within the guidance. but questions remain about what he did on the whole affair continues to overshadow what the government is trying to do. and the trouble here is that it is not just political. you and the trouble here is that it is notjust political. you have the public that is absolutely essential to the base giving it to work at blue states and you only have to look at the various polling being donein look at the various polling being done in that last little while to illustrate what the government problem is here. there are some poles that are suggesting that this story, the impact of what dominic cummings did and hisjustification for it as having an impact on boris
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johnson's personnel approval rating. we will have to wait and see what further evidence emerges from that but i am sure it will be a concern of the prime minister is but as we saw the day before yesterday when he gave a news conference and said that dominic cummings had explained his actions to him and that he was satisfied with that explanation and that he had acted within the guidelines. from that moment on borisjohnson was guidelines. from that moment on boris johnson was taking guidelines. from that moment on borisjohnson was taking his own political authority on dominic cummings and his action. that makes it very hard for him not to change pack and do without dominic cummings in the future. clearly his calculation is that he's better off with him than without him even considering the consistent criticism that has been leveled at him in the last few days after his actions during the lockdown came to light. thank you very much for the latest from there. during the government's briefing
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this evening the health secretary appeared to suggest the government might review fines for people who had been in similar situations to dominic cummings. lets take a listen good afternoon. will the governing to review all penalty fines imposed on families travelling for childcare purposes during lockdown? thank you. that is a very good question. and we do understand the impact and the need for making sure that children get adequate childcare. that is one of the significant concerns that we have had all the way through this and sell i think especially coming from a man of the cloth i think that isa from a man of the cloth i think that is a personal —— reasonable to take away that question. i will have to ta ke away that question. i will have to take with my treasury colleagues before i could answer it in full and look at it and take a look at your
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details and make sure that we write to you with a full answer and make an announcement from this podium. i think we can make that commitment. he is waiting to talk to me in brighton. welcome to the programme. we had met hancock say it was a good question, what do you think of the answer? i was honest honest that he did know the answer and in a way something specific like that you would not expect a government minister to give an immediate answer. and i look forward to hearing their response at some point. tell me more about the background and glad you decided to ask that particular question. background and glad you decided to ask that particular questionlj think ask that particular question.” think it isjust ask that particular question.” think it is just from a general sense of what we are all feeling at the moment, many of us are feeling of unfairness at the moment. and a feeling that we want to be treated a level playing field that people who
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have made trips because they were desperate for one reason or another during a crisis should be treated with the same way that dominic cummings has been hearing over the weekend. in terms of the conversation you have had locally with people who have spoken to you about the various dilemmas they have beenjabbering, or about the various dilemmas they have been jabbering, or has that been very evident to you? yes. -- we have all the stories of people who stayed at home even though they would have loved to move somewhere else or go somewhere else for another purpose. i know people keep talking about generals and those sorts of things which are not necessarily directly releva nt to which are not necessarily directly relevant to this particular case but i have been funerals where people have not been able to travel to the funeral because they have been abiding by the rules. so i believe there is a generalfeeling of anger
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about this and that people would like to be seen and would like to be known that things are being treated ona known that things are being treated on a level playing field as i said before, even me, we're all being treated the same. despite the various defences, i suppose the bottom line is the public don't want to be treated like fools in terms of some of the explanations. it's been very interesting listening to the polling and ministers were asked several times in that downing street briefing with 71% of the public not accepting the explanations given by dominic cummings? i think it's been a surprise to all of us to discover that there was some flexibility in the rules and that it was a good, very clear message, stay at home was the message and to find out now that it would stay at home unless you
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feel you have a compelling reason or unnecessary intuition tells you that's ok. i think people feel a bit cheated that they could have perhaps been doing more and at the same time actually it was a good idea for us all to stay at home. we are seeing the reduction in the infections and deaths that come from the result of that and that's been fantastic. quick thought in terms of the basis of your question. for those people who have been fined, would you expect the list finds now to be waived or should the basis of that fines be what the original lockdown instructions wear and there was fines enforced? i think if there is a review about specific cases about people who have been trapping because they are concerned that they could not get proper care for their children and they have been fine for doing that then if it seems to me that those are to be refunded or
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waived. we will leave it there. thank you for taking time to talk to us. european countries are taking more steps, to get the continent back, to some kind of ‘new normal‘. lockdown restrictions are being lifted, as the fight against corona virus pivots to opening up economies. many countries in europe are starting to relax their borders, to get the vital tourist season going. in greece — restrictions on domestic travel have been eased today — with people allowed to move around the country and to visit the chain of islands. in spain — foreign travellers will no longer have to quarantine afterjuly the 1st. the german government wants to end a travel warning to their citizens, covering 31 european countries, from june 15 — if the coronavirus situation allows. and on the same date — here in england — all non—essential retailers, will be able to reopen. but let's get more from greece with this report from our correspondent, quentin sommerville, who's on the island of milos. athens is sending a flotilla to fight a pandemic.
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the greek islands are reopening. among the first to call, a high—speed deployment of doctors with a mission. these islands have been a safe haven from the pandemic, with no confirmed cases of covid—i9. these medics from the mainland want to make sure it stays that way. it's an annual expedition to the remotest parts of the aegean, with special purpose this year. we will be in contact with the government. whenever they need us, we will come here to check if there is any case of covid infection. the mayor of sikinos welcomes them ashore. we're greeted with elbow bumps, instead of handshakes. there are enough tests for whoever wants them. there are only 250 people on this island, and none of them have been tested for covid—i9 until today.
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they're hoping its isolation continues to offer protection. greece has had only 172 deaths from covid—i9, and is leaving lockdown faster than expected. ba rs a nd restau ra nts reopened yesterday. hilary and david brown live here. we spend so much time here, we love it here. so even if there wasn't the pandemic and we were told to go home, we still would've chosen to stay here. it's safer. there's no pandemic in the cyclades. only i think two in syros, and one in... mykonos. mykonos, and that's it. father theodorus leads the way. these tests are essential as greece prepares to welcome back foreign tourists in the coming months. today is the first day that everything comes back to normal, including restaurants and all the borders and ships. so we are concerned
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about everything being as planned in the best possible way. greece is emerging from the pandemic earlier than others — not unscathed, but in better shape than most. isolation is a way of life here, but so too is tourism. the health of the islanders depends on both. quentin somerville, bbc news, the southern aegean. doctors at one of the hospitals hit hardest by coronavirus in the uk — have spoken of their fears of a second peak — as lockdown restrictions loosen. the bbc has been given unprecedented access to the royal london hospital — in east london. hundreds of people have died there — with people from ethnic minority backgrounds particularly affected. the medical staff say, a rise in cases is now inevitable, as people have more and more contact with each other. and they have also spoken of the mental and physical toll, the last two months has taken on them.
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clive myrie has spent a week at the royal london hospital — this is the first of his speical reports. in times of crisis, we find out who we really are. i have felt broken and a lot of my colleagues have. when souls are laid bare. in this time of coronavirus one hospital and one community reflect on these troubled times. coming upforairto reveal their souls to us. we saw the fragility of life. we saw its strength. and all the while, one fear looms,
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another peak of infections to rival the first. we were 20 beds away from being overrun. don't be fooled by the gentle pace. time is tested here. time is twisted here. on the royal london hospital's coronavirus ward while many patients inhabit ventilated worlds of slow motion dreams and hallucinations, the doctors and nurses charged with bringing them back to life inhabit the real world, where time moves too quickly, as this cruel disease eats away at human lungs with frightening speed. but the medical staff, including this consultant, have their own nightmares. are you expecting a second wave? i would have to say yes because once the lockdown is relaxed people of course are going to have more
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contact with each other so that is the way this is going to spread. then, as our interview ends, he called away. his two minutes turn into several agonising hours. we had permission from all the patients and their families to film. a patient person vital signs have worsened. he isjust 55. the professionalism of the team is stunning. years of experience gathered around this bed. as the duality of time, the drifting oblivious patient and the rush to save his life merge into a tableau for our times.
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so, there is a final role of the dice. this is a last resort. maybe by turning him onto his front they can force air into his lungs, oxygen into his body. it is all they can do. his lungs are just getting worse, more inflamed. you are preparing to talk to his family? yes, that's right. a presence on the ward for absent relatives. potentially we will make a decision about whether it is appropriate to continue what we are doing at the moment or whether you should get them a bit of dignity. imagine this stress multiplied every day for weeks. now you understand what the peak
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of the pandemic was like. this sister bore witness to those dark days. it consumes you. it is what you think about when you go to bed. you are preparing for your next shift. you are relieved the previous shift is over. you are sad. it is a huge emotional burden. it is a time of our lives that we will never forget. the peak almost broke minds and according to this consultant almost broke the royal london. we were keeping people alive. that's what our goal of care was, keep as many people alive as long as we can until we can get back to being able to deliver the quality of care we always aspire to deliver. sometimes it's hard to find
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light in the darkness. you are about to witness what medicine can do. this is one of the defining moments in an intensive care unit. when a patient‘s ventilated tube is removed. it's a procedure full of expectation and dread. we will pull out the tube as we do that. will it work? he is grimacing as the tube inches up his throat. and finally leaves his chest. how does that feel? the heavy breathing of a man given a second chance. but there are other defeats. sadly, that evening, one of the patients died,
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another soul lost. on tomorrow evening's programme, a prayerfor the dying. and the morgue struggling to cope. at the height we were dealing with 25 bodies daily coming into the morgue. now — we've reported before on the positive impact lockdown has had on the environment and pollution levels. air quality has certainly has certainly improved in many parts of the world. but have a look at this — filmed by a french environmental organisation in the mediterranean sea. you can see ‘masks and latex gloves‘ on the seabed. the group‘s founder, posted the footage online,
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and warned, it could be the start of a new type of pollution. a 15—year—old girl in india, has shot to fame, after riding 750 miles — that‘s 12—hundred kilometres — on a bicycle carrying her injured father to their village. the two were stuck in delhi, with no means of transport during the country‘s lockdown. while the government has recently re—started trains, to move stranded workers, only a small percentage of those stuck, have so far made it on board. our india correspondent yogita limaye reports. this journey has changed their life, but they did not set out on it by choice. this girl and her injured father were among tens of thousands of workers stuck in cities without money and amongst india‘s lockdown. we weren‘t to getting food and went hungry for two days. then i convinced my father it that we should set off on the bicycle. she told bbc earlier this month.
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it took seven days from delhi to eastern india, her story has grabbed the world. in her village, she has has become a celebrity. girls like you should be born in every home in india. she has been gifted four new bicycles. the government is building a toilet at her home. and a tap means her family‘s access to water is easier than ever before. poverty forced her out of school, now she‘s been enrolled again. i never thought this could happen, and i‘m very happy, i want to get educated she says. as they adjust to a new life in the spotlight, so many are still too reach
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safely back home. i have seen a lot of people, small children, babies, women, all walking, some with two children in their arms and their belongings on their head, i appeal to the government to please help them. her father says. there are many grim stories of the journies migrant workers are making, this is one that has had a happy ending. stay with us because here in a moment we will have all the latest from brazil after the explosion of covid—i9 cases there. a warning from the who. we will hear on the programme from the pain minister of barbados on opening up the country to terrorism. we will also talk to the scientists who work with the uk government about the impact of that whole saga of dominic cummings and how it is impacting the message that
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is fairfor the how it is impacting the message that is fairforthe uk how it is impacting the message that is fairfor the uk public how it is impacting the message that is fair for the uk public going forward. all of that coming up on the programme here in the next few minutes. don‘t go away. hello. it‘s been another sunny afternoon for the vast majority of us afternoon for the vast majority of us although there was more in the way of crowd and across wales and england. that is the value near sheffield, we see some of that crowd here on our satellite picture. as cloud is a weak cold front, not been bringing any rain but it separates the warm airwe bringing any rain but it separates the warm air we have in the south from the slightly fresher air we have today north of the uk. overnight they will be little overall change we will see in the southwest of england and it would be a warm night for the southern areas of england and wales.
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further north, into single figures for the north of wales and north england, scotland, and northern ireland. but over the next few days, the warm air we have in the south gets drawn northwards — so it will start to warm up for scotland, northern england and northern ireland over the next few days. now for wednesday, many of us will start off on a bright note. perhaps murkier initially in the southwest before we see the sunshine later on in the day. thicker cloud for northern ireland will bring an odd patch of rain and maybe some damp weather getting into the far west of scotland. otherwise, it is dry weather with with sunshine. the highest temperatures across england and wales at this stage, but as i say, it will be getting warmer further north as we go towards the next few days. some of that warmer air will be wafting its way northwards on thursday, boosting the temperatures. a weak weather front across the far north of scotland, meanwhile, bringing a little bit of rain here, but not amounting to much. the rain will clear as we head into the afternoon. then brighter skies work into central and southern scotland for this day, a much sunnier day and northern ireland. we‘ve got more of that warm sunshine across england and wales with temperatures probably peeking around 26—27 celsius. turning warmer north,
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as well, with highs of 22 celsius in edinburgh. we end the week like this, with all of us seeing a sunny day on friday. the onshore winds keeping things a little bit fresh around some of our eastern coastal areas — so temperatures, for example, around the polar north around 18—19 celsius. still warm in the sunshine, we‘ve just got some high temperatures a bit further west, 26 celsius in cardiff. weekend looks fine, as well, with the high pressure still with us. more dry weather, temperatures widely into the low—to—mid—20s with sunshine. that‘s your weather.
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this is bbc news, with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. a junior minister resigns because of the uk government‘s handling of dominic cummings — and his family trip during lockdown. nearly a0 conservative mps call for the prime minister‘s adviser to go over his interpretation of the rules. but ministers continue to insist he acted reasonably. ican i can understand why reasonable people can take a different view. but myjudgement, which is the same as the prime minister‘s judgement, is that what mr cummings did was within the guidelines. europe looks to relax border restrictions, ahead of the vital tourist season. a warning to latin america — now is not the time to ease restrictions, as coronavirus deaths,
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rise rapidly in brazil. after a two—month coronavirus closure, the new york stock exchange, reopens its trading floor. and coming up on the programme: how important is government action in influencing public behaviour and attitudes towards lockdown? in the uk, a junior government minister has resigned and nearly a0 conservative mps, have now called for the prime minister‘s top adviser, dominic cummings, to resign. douglas ross, who was the under secretary of state for scotland, said the way mr cummings had interpreted the lockdown rules, was different from "the vast majority" who had done as the government had asked.
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but dominic cummings was supported by the cabinet office minister, michael gove today, who said, his account of his actions had been "exhaustive, detailed and verifiable". our reality check correspondent chris morris is with me. so chris — you‘ve identified three dates that are worthy of closer examination. firstly, that day when dominic cummings was filmed running out of downing street? that‘s right, it was a famous picture of him running down the street, 27 march. he was going home because his wife and said she was ill, but he then returned to work later in the day at downing street. now if he had suspected that she had coronavirus symptoms, he should have self isolated immediately. he says at that stage of the day, he didn‘t think she had symptoms, even though an earlier downing street statement did speak of suspected symptoms. in any did speak of suspected symptoms. in a ny eve nt did speak of suspected symptoms. in any event by the evening of 27 march, he appears to have had a change of heart, because that is
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when they decided to drive across the country up north to durham at a time when everyone was being asked to stay at home. now mr cummings pointed to leeway in the guidance which speaks about things when children are involved. but it is still unclear that driving 260 miles across the country was his only option. a lot of the e—mails i‘ve seen option. a lot of the e—mails i‘ve seen sent to mps have said hang on a second, this is a man in a position of power and privilege, he could‘ve sorted things out in london if he chose to. the next date is when mr cummings and his family were in durham, and mr cummings was self—isolating in the cottage on his parents‘ farm? will have you learned about that? this was on three april. his son and wife had gone to hospital after his son developed a high fever. the evening before this, mr cummings himself wrote that he could hardly stand up because of the effects of
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his coronavirus symptoms. nevertheless on that day, he went by car to pick nevertheless on that day, he went by carto pick up nevertheless on that day, he went by car to pick up his wife and son from the hospital. now he says he never left the car, but the government‘s on guidelines say he should have never left the house. know anyone who has children knows you sometimes have to make difficult decisions. but the guidelines from the nhs say very clearly that staff can be asked to arrange transport if patients have no other options available. in the government guidelines at the time sake mrcummings the government guidelines at the time sake mr cummings should not have left the house that day. that trip was a new detail we learned in the press conference yesterday. and then, the now—infamous trip on easter sunday to barnard castle, 30 miles or so from durham? 12 april, easter sunday, as you say. he drove from his parent‘s farm down to barnard castle, he says in order to barnard castle, he says in order to test his eyesight to see the could make the longerjourney down to london. in theory, this trip
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would not have broken coronavirus guidelines if you believe, as he does, it was for the purpose of work. he says the whole idea was to get back to work, so he had to see if he was fit to drive by driving with potentially blurred vision. but that in itself may be a violation of the law, because the 1980 eight road traffic acts says that anyone who suspect they have a problem with their vision should not be behind their vision should not be behind the wheel of the vehicle on the road -- 1988. the wheel of the vehicle on the road "1988. that is the wheel of the vehicle on the road —— 1988. that is potentially an offence itself, apart from the fact that many people just don‘t buy the fa ct that many people just don‘t buy the fact that he was driving down to barnard castle on his wife‘s birthday to test out his eyesight. and that‘s the problem, we‘re talking about a lot of technical and legal issues here, but the widespread feeling among the many people complaining about this is that he broke the spirit of the guidelines, which so many people we re guidelines, which so many people were encountering hardships themselves, and they abode by it.
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chris, thanks for taking us through all that. the americas are the new epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic, according to the world health organization, who say "now" is not the time for restrictions to be eased. they are warning that outbreaks are accelerating in countries such as brazil which currently has the most cases in the world after the united states. our latin america correspondent katy watson explaines more about the accelaration of coronavirus in brazil. we‘re talking more than 23,000 deaths here in brazil, and more than 370,000 confirmed cases. but it comes at a time when, here in brazil, many states have either been in quarantine or lockdown for more than two months now. they locked down quite early, yet we‘re still seeing a rise in the number of deaths — and in the last few weeks, that has quickened its pace. notjust in brazil and chile, we‘ve seen it in peru. the who is now saying now is not the time to lock down, but people here are frustrated.
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and there are confused messages from the president compared to the state governors, who have been responsible for the quarantine measures and lockdown measures. and that confusion has meant that there‘s been a lot of concern over the deaths rising at an even quicker pace. now brazil, as i said in the introduction, is pressing ahead with this antimalarial drugs — despite the concerns, the cancellation from the who. tell me, why are they doing that? the who made this decision after a report in milan, looking at global figures, and the response from the health ministry on monday from brazil was that this was not a clinical trial, these are databases from across the world, and that is not a tough enough measure for brazil to use that as a reference —
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and they‘re ignoring it effectively. the organisation said earlier this month that the biggest danger to brazil was jair bolsonaro himself. bolsonaro has been wanting to introduce hydroxychloroquine and antimalarial drugs early on for mild symptoms, and he‘s sacked two health ministers who disagree with him, which means he is pushing through with the decision despite medical advice that there are no benefits to the treatment. a final quick thought on the travel ban with the united states that has been brought forward — the impact of that, and where are the public in all this, in terms of where brazil now stands, and the leadership they‘re getting? well, certainly it will be a big sting to the government who sees the us as a regional ally.
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people who support bolsonaro obviously are probably quite offended by this, but i think anybody should not have seen this as a surprise, certainly seeing this as a public international shaming that the situation has got so bad, even the us, which sees itself very much as an ally of brazil, having to take these measures. a measure of just a measure ofjust how worrying things are in brazil right now. marcus andre melo is a weekly columnist and professor of political science. welcome to the programme. just a straightforward question, first of all. how alarmed are ordinary people now in brazil? very much so. the covid—19 is very insidious and has been hurting a lot — literally everywhere in the country. in in terms of support for bolsonaro, his denials, his approach — is he
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maintaining his support, or is there growing anger amongst the public there? no, over the last month or so, maybe two months, there has been a very, very significant decline in his popularity from, you know, only 60% of people evaluating his administration as good or very good. and now, it is in the 20s. so it is a major — we can talk here about a colla pse a major — we can talk here about a collapse in popularity as far as bolsonaro is concerned. but he has a core group of voters who are very loyal to him. and he pretty much focuses on this core group when he
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appears on television, and so forth. and we know of course that he is a big admirer of donald trump. but there are parallels with america, because you can have a federal approached by someone who is perhaps resista nt to approached by someone who is perhaps resistant to a lot of what we are seeing in the advice from the medical and scientific world, but different governors can operate differently. now it is pretty similar in brazil as well, isn‘t it? yes. as part of his strategy, he downplays covid—19. and the reason for doing that is that he expects the sanitary crisis, the pandemic to last about four months or so, but he‘s really scared about the medium to long—term effects, the economic
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consequences, the mid to long—term economic effects of the pandemic, and his diagnosis is that it could be as severe as to causing his downfall. and that‘s why... be as severe as to causing his downfall. and that's why... a final brief question. of course, brazil still trying to push forward this antimalarial drug, despite the world health organisation yesterday — i was speaking to a doctor from sao paulo last week who said actually, there was a huge amount of support, people wanted to be involved in the trials, even though the evidence was showing it was not particularly effective. i mean, why is there such an appeal for that particular approach? yes, he announced his adherence to hydrochloric when —— hydrochloric when early in march. so
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he doesn‘t want to shift from his original decision. now the decisions have been made in terms of producing the chloroquine, the national laboratories, and so on and so forth. but what he really wants, that‘s the key issue, is to downplay ordiminish, to that‘s the key issue, is to downplay or diminish, to reduce the saliency of the covid—19. that‘s what he wa nts. of the covid—19. that‘s what he wants. he wants the governors to deal with that and, because it‘s going to be a mass, he expects not to be blamed for the consequences. marcus, we have to leave it there, but thank you so much for speaking to us. thank you. thank you -- you‘re welcome, thank you for having
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me. as we‘ve seen, countries around the world are beginning to plan, for how they‘ll safely bring tourists back after the coronavirus pandemic. in barbados, borders remain shut but the current daily curfew — from 8pm to 5am — will be lifted next week, as the government looks to reopen the economy. barbados has reported only 92 cases of covid—19 and seven deaths, but the impact of the crisis on tourism, has been massive. speaking to me from bridgetown, the country‘s prime minister, mia amor mottley — who is also chair of the caribbean community — told me how a decision will be reached on when to open up the islands. we won‘t be driven by a date, but they produce calls that make us safe. equals we want to remain safe for our people, we want to remain safe for people visiting us test protocols. and this is not only barbados‘s position but a number of countries within the caribbean community. and as you correctly stated, this has been a difficult moment for us all. so we are trying to balance lives and livelihoods like everywhere else. i listened to your reports earlier about europe,
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we are in deep conversations with each other on a common public health protocol within the region. we are also having discussions with the airlines and cruise industries. but we will not be driven by a date, we wa nt to we will not be driven by a date, we want to be driven by a satisfaction that we have safe protocols that keep our workers safe, or people safe, our visitors safe. just briefly on that, and i completely understand what you are saying — are you thinking in your mind weeks or potentially months here? well, we all hope weeks, but we need to make sure that we touch all the bases. and to that extent, i think the airlines have been doing a reasonably good job in trying to ensure that the planes can be kept sanitised — certainly far more than they have been. but the big issue is testing, and testing before people get on the planes. quite frankly, it is more practical before people leave, and we need a rapid test or test protocols that will allow us to
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be able to determine what is the risk that we are going to take if a person is tested 2a hours before, or should the person be tested within aim matter of hours before checking in? and with the safeguards you put in place, would you accept tourists from high infection rate countries? what happens if you end up importing covid—19 to resorts? i mean, in those sorts of questions, have you thought through what the answers are likely to be? that is exactly why i‘m not giving you a date now. we are working through all those protocols with all the stakeholders. up protocols with all the stakeholders. up to this morning, i got a letter where the individual countries are making sure we touch all the bases. because it is not our intention to import or have anyone be affected. at the same time, we have to balance the reality that the caribbean is among the most travelled, if not the
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most travelled in trade —dependent region in the world, with 50% of our gdp affecting philly coming from it. which means there is such an imperative to get back to some sort of normal. just how bad has it been when it comes to employment, to government revenues? it has been bad. across the entire region, you‘ve seen april probably being a month were anywhere between a0—60% of government revenues have been affected in tourism dependent countries. we‘ve also recognised that the unemployment rates in most cases in countries that are tourism dependent have gone from double to triple in some instances. it is no difference from what is happening in the uk and the us. but the difference is that we have a much narrower base, and there are a number of countries that effectively depend on tourism. the the only good news to us as opposed to europe is we‘ve now come out of our winter
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season. that allows us to do some refurbishment and training, and other things that we would otherwise have been looking at anyhow. at the scale of unemployment has been crippling. that was the prime minister of barbados talking to be a short while ago. the impact of lockdown has been profound. social distancing has defined the way we live, navigating a way out of lockdown and keeping the public on side was never going to be easy for the government. some now worry the row over dominic cummings will make it even harder. our home editor mark easton has been assessing the mood in the country. there are concerns confidence in the prime minister might have been damaged in the past few days but how serious is it? with the help of our research company, we have calculated how dominic cummings row has affected the public mood. it‘s one rule for all of us, and the government can do whatever they like — and we have to accept it. it‘s completely out of order.
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ijust did not believe a word of it. i thought he was very arrogant, and i think borisjohnson has lost credibility. you can't break an regulation. his 30—mile drive to the castle to check his eyesight is irrelevant. how can you do that? when you consider circumstances, his son needed care, and a wife who was ill, or briefly ill, i think there has to be a little bit of slack given. listen to the job this man has got. he is crucial. he could have stayed in that cottage for weeks. he chose to come back and help us in this crisis. who here thinks he should resign? he did not apologise. should he have resigned — hands up? just on the government appears to have been declining even before
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the dominic cummings arrived. in april, nearly two thirds of people said they trusted the government to control the spread of the virus. by last friday, they had fallen to half. do you think the way the government is planning to ease the lockdown in england is right, or should they go faster or slower? unfortunately, i feel there is going to be a second wave because more and more people are getting together and people are not taking this as seriously as should be. if the government guidelines about meeting one person it is not happening. does that worry you? it seems you can do whatever you want. i do not think the prime minister has any idea what messages he is putting forward. we would like to go shopping, but i do not want to catch corona doing so. give it another one or two weeks. don'tjump don't jump into it, don'tjump into it, this is a deadly thing. today‘s survey suggests more than half of people worry controls are being lifted too quickly with just 13% wanting
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lockdown lifted faster. pa rt part of it is a lack of assertiveness. it hasn‘t been as much of a success at the country would have hoped for.” much of a success at the country would have hoped for. ijust kind of lost hope generally, because i feel as usual, where the laughing stock nation. i understand why we would try to keep things open, but unfortunately, as a result, i'm sure it's resulted in a lot more deaths than there needed to be. trust in government matters, and even more so ina government matters, and even more so in a crisis. it may quite literally bea in a crisis. it may quite literally be a matter of life and death. mark easton, bbc news. i‘m joined now by stephen reicher, a professor of social psychology at the university of st andrews. he‘s on the scientific pandemic influenza group on behaviours which advises and contributes to sage — the scientific advisory group for the uk government. thanks so much for being with us. i wa nt to ta ke thanks so much for being with us. i want to take this through in stages, if you would, because when this
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exploded over the weekend, you tweeted that "borisjohnson has trashed all the advice we have given on how to build trust and secure adherence to the measures necessary to control covid—19. be open and honest, we said. trashed.... you we re honest, we said. trashed.... you were clearly very, very frustrated. do you still think those things? i'm still incredibly concerned, because mark easton was quite right — in a crisis, you need good leadership. we need good, clear leadership, and that leadership needs two things to be effective. the first is obviously trust. people have to trust the leaders in order to follow leaders. in the second job of a leader is to bring us together. it is to nurture that sense of community, that sense of being in it for each other, which has been so central in making lockdown effective in bringing down
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the infection curve. because the point of it is this — if people were acting for themselves, if people we re acting for themselves, if people were acting in terms of eye, people would not observe the lockdown because it was a huge hassle. at the same time, if you were young and healthy, there wasn‘t that much of a personal risk in going out. but if you thought of it in a communal level, what it means for others, then of course it made sense to stay in. so that sense of being in it together and being united absolutely is crucial to what the government should be doing. and everything we‘ve seen in the last 3—a days, which bits of the strategy do you think it undermines? because going forward , think it undermines? because going forward, of course, we‘re going to have the government and prime minister saying in the next few days that it‘s safe to go back to schools or reopen businesses — how essential is it that people trust those messages? well, the most important thing is to understand that it is not just about easing
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thing is to understand that it is notjust about easing restrictions, but more a change in strategy. so what‘s happening is that the blunt instrument of a lockdown can be eased, but only to the extent that we can use a more targeted strategy, which depends upon people first of all distancing absolutely rigidly when they are out. secondly, improving heidel, her hygiene, but thirdly, appearing to track and traced. so we need to trust the government enough that if we are infected, we can trust them to tell all of our contacts. we need to trust the government enough to go into quarantine even if we might not feel ill. in many ways, trust is even more important because adherence is even more important going forward. and of course, you are an expert on behaviours. if dominic cummings or the government admitted to errors, they obviously haven‘t happened as of yet, but if they did say they are wrong, would that make a difference in terms of how the public views things and potentially could act?”
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how the public views things and potentially could act? i think without a doubt, a mistake was made. evenif without a doubt, a mistake was made. even if dominic cummings thinks he made the right decision, it was a mistake. even if the prime minister thinks he did the right thing, he caused 71% of the public to not trust them. we could argue until the cows co m e trust them. we could argue until the cows come home about the rights and wrongs of what dominic cummings did, and we probably won‘t persuade a single person. but what is not a matter of opinion but a stone cold, ha rd fa ct matter of opinion but a stone cold, hard fact is that 71% of people have lost trust. so the real issue for the prime minister and his adviser is this — what is more important? is it more important for borisjohnson to protect his friend or the public? and for dominic cummings as a public servant, is it more important to be in public service or to serve the public? we have run out of time, i'm sorry to cut you off like that, but
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we are coming up to the end of the programme. thanks so much for joining us and giving us the analysis. we are done, thanks so much for watching, next up here on bbc news is outside source. bye—bye. hello there. it‘s been another sunny afternoon for the vast majority of us, although there was a little bit more in the way of cloud at times across parts of wales and northern england. this is a reservoir in the locksley valley near sheffield. you can see some of that cloud here on our satellite picture. this stripe of cloud, this diagonal is a very weak cold front. it‘s not been bringing any rain, but it separates the really warm air that we have in the south from the slightly fresher air we have to the north of the uk. overnight there will be little overall change, although we could see a few mist and fog patches forming around the coastal hills of the southwest of england. it‘ll be a warm night for the southern areas of england and wales, with temperatures 13—1a celsius for cardiff and london. further north, into single figures for the north of wales and north england,
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scotland, and northern ireland. but over the next few days, the warm air we have in the south gets drawn northwards — so it will start to warm up for scotland, northern england and northern ireland over the next few days. now for wednesday, many of us will start off on a bright note. perhaps murkier initially in the southwest before we see the sunshine later on in the day. thicker cloud for northern ireland will bring an odd patch of rain and maybe some damp weather getting into the far west of scotland. otherwise, it is dry weather with with sunshine. the highest temperatures across england and wales at this stage, but as i say, it will be getting warmer further north as we go towards the next few days. some of that warmer air will be wafting its way northwards on thursday, boosting the temperatures. a weak weather front across the far north of scotland, meanwhile, bringing a little bit of rain here, but not amounting to much. the rain will clear as we head into the afternoon. then brighter skies work into central and southern scotland for this day, a much sunnier day and northern ireland.
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we‘ve got more of that warm sunshine across england and wales with temperatures probably peeking around 26—27 celsius. turning warmer north, as well, with highs of 22 celsius in edinburgh. we end the week like this, with all of us seeing a sunny day on friday. the onshore winds keeping things a little bit fresh around some of our eastern coastal areas — so temperatures, for example, around the hull and norwich area around 18—19 celsius. still warm in the sunshine, we‘ve just got some high temperatures a bit further west, 26 celsius in cardiff. the weekend looks fine, as well, with the high pressure still with us. more dry weather, temperatures widely into the low—to—mid—20s with sunshine. that‘s your weather.
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this is outside source on bbc news for viewers in the uk and around the world. i‘m babita sharma. we‘re covering all the latest developments and analysis here in britain and globally. pressure mounts on the uk prime minister over the handling of his top advisor‘s trip across the country during lockdown. nearly a0 of his own mps have called for dominic cummings to go — and a junior minister has resigned. asa as a government minister, you must be willing to defend the government policy and with the government are
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saying, and i was not able to do that so i felt the only option left to me

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