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hi, good morning, welcome to bbc news. i'm victoria derbyshire. here are the headlines: boris johnson will announce more plans to ease the lockdown, with zoos, safari parks and drive—in cinemas in england allowed to re—open from monday, a day after abandoning plans for all primary schools to return. the same voices that last week were basically supporting, you know, people who were saying, do not open up the schools, are this week criticising us for saying, well, we'll take it deliberately carefully. a warning from nhs leaders in england — ten million people could end up on hospital waiting lists by the end of the year. after another slave trader statue is removed, labour councils plan a review into public monuments. one of the met‘s top ranking
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officers urges the force to "stand up to racists", as anti—racism demos continue. i keep using the term that it felt ilke i was shot with a cannon. the 29—year—old mum of two, blinded in one eye after being allegedly shot by a police rubber bullet in california at a black lives protest. yet she tells me she has no regrets aboutjoining the demonstration for equality. and more than 30 years after the assassination of swedish prime minsiter olof palme, police say the main suspect is a man who died 20 years ago. good morning. the prime minister is expected to announce more plans to ease
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lockdown retrictions in england at the daily downing street briefing later today. the prime minister is to announce outdoor attractions including zoos, safari parks and drive—in cinemas will be allowed to reopen from monday — as long as they follow social distancing rules. it comes the day after the government admitted most primary schoolchildren in england would not go back before the end of term. in other main developments this morning, nhs bosses are warning that waiting lists in england could double to ten million by the end of the year because of the impact of coronavirus. nhs confederation, which represents hospitals and ambulance trusts in england, says the health service "faces an uphill battle" to restart normal treatments. labour councils in england and wales are to launch a review into statues linked to britain's colonial past, as another statue of a former slave owner was removed from outside the museum of london docklands last night. and the assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police, neil basu, has wrritten to his colleagues across the uk,
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urging them to stand up to racists, inequality and injustice. we'll have more on that shortly. first, let's talk to our assistant political editor norman smith, who joins me from westminster. so norman, lots of public attractions opening, but there is pressure about primary schools in england? there is. there is an awkward juxtaposition between the announcement that zoos and safari parks and driving cinemas can open, but schools cannot yet fully reopened. and i think there is real anxiety, notjust reopened. and i think there is real anxiety, not just amongst reopened. and i think there is real anxiety, notjust amongst opposition mps and unions and educational experts, but also amongst conservative mps about what they see as the lack of priority, and also the lack of oomph being given to reopening schools. the comparison is made with the government response to the nhs when, as we know, they got nhs nightingale wards up and running
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ina nhs nightingale wards up and running in a fortnight. the question is why then can the government not get the kind of comparison of nightingale classrooms up and running? all sorts of suggestions have been mooted, possibly you could use school gymnasiums for classes, you could use a vacant office space nearby or council space, use a vacant office space nearby or councilspace, libraries, use a vacant office space nearby or council space, libraries, you could erect porta kabins council space, libraries, you could erect portakabins in playgrounds, but none of this seems to be pencilled in by the government. added to which, the question of staffing. if you have more classrooms you need more teachers. a lot of teachers may be ill or self isolating. if that is an issue, why not do as you did for the nhs and encourage former teachers to come back on board, orformer inspectors oi’ back on board, orformer inspectors or trainee teachers? there isjust back on board, orformer inspectors or trainee teachers? there is just a sense the government does not have a grip of the issue. that has sparked fears that come september, even then we may be in a position where schools cannot reopen. this morning
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the business minister, nadhim zahawi, was the business minister, nadhim za hawi, was defending the business minister, nadhim zahawi, was defending the government response. the same voices that last week were basically supporting, you know, people who were saying, do not open up the schools, are this week criticising us for saying, well, we'll take it deliberately carefully and we will make sure that we don't compel all primaries to open every classroom and every year group. we're doing it... the way we're doing it is by consulting, by working with teachers to make sure we do this properly. just got a tweet from ruth. she says brilliant that zoos and safari is a reopening, please can we sort out the mess from education. keep safe. is it safe for all these other public attractions and the rest of it to open in the next few weeks? well, certainly in terms of zoos and safari parks, i mean in zoos you won't be able to go into the indoor areas. you won't be able to go into the aquarium or the reptile room.
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there will be signposting. they will be one way. the cafes will be closed. in terms of moving to the next stage, which is bars, cafes, restau ra nts, next stage, which is bars, cafes, restaurants, hairdressers, the key is still as two metre rule. and at the moment, although we've been promised it is under review, boris johnson said a fortnight ago it was under review, the thinking among the scientists still seems to be that two metres is an awful lot safer than one metre or even 1.5 metres. that suggests to me if the government is to get round, or circumvent the two metre rule, it will have to come up with a compromise position which may be to say that if you are in a restaurant, maybe it could be less than two metres if you are sitting side by side with someone or if you have your back to the people at the next table. that could be a way of
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finessing the role. but at the moment it doesn't seem as if the scientists here are inclined to change it, even though we know in other countries, france, ithink change it, even though we know in other countries, france, i think is down to one metre, germany 1.5 metres, other countries they do have less tha n metres, other countries they do have less than two metres social distancing. that is the guidance from the world health organization as well. thank you, norman. thank you. your views welcome. send me a tweet, or an e—mail. there's a warning this morning that up to 10 million people could be on a waiting list for medical treatment in england by the end of the year — that's double the current figure. the nhs confederation, which represents key parts of the health service, including hospitals and ambulance trusts, says it's due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the nhs. our health correspondent, richard galpin, has more. the report paints a bleak picture of nhs england struggling to manage as health workers continued to look after thousands of patients infected by coronavirus, while at the same time reopening services for cancer and stroke patients,
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as well as those for heart disease. according to the report, the need for social distancing and other measures to prevent the virus spreading also significantly limits the capacity of the health service. the nhs confederation has written to the prime minister, warning it won't be possible to simply switch on all nhs services immediately and the government will need to manage the expectations of people needing treatments. i think the greatest fear among nhs leaders at the moment is expectations. the fact is that we are trying to rebuild services as covid—19 is still around within our hospitals and within communities, and it will take time and it will take patience to try and build up services to where they were before the outbreak and it will take even longer to try and deal with the huge backlog that has built up during this crisis. the confederation also wants extra funding,
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particularly for rehabilitation and recovery services for the many people who have been hit by the virus. richard galpin, bbc news. the most senior ethnic minority police officer in the uk, neil basu, assistant commissioner of the metropolitan police, has issued what he calls a personal message in the wake of the killing of george floyd and the protests that follows. in it, he urged all his policing colleagues across the uk to stand up to racism. in the letter he says:
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let's speak now to leroy logan. he is a former superintendent in the metropolitan police, where he worked for 30 years. he is also a former chair of the black police association charitable trust. hello, mr logan. hello. when you read this letter, how did it make you feel? well, i know my -- neil basu from my time in the met. he is a thinking person. he really thinks these things through. and it's quite clear that he wants to acknowledge that there are issues and don't undermine people's intelligence by saying everything in the garden is
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fine and, you know, try to whitewash things. i think he is being honest and he is talking from a personal point of view, as well as bringing in his vast experience as the most senior black and minority ethnic officer. have you ever heard language like this from such a senior officer before? no, not recently. i know in the past mike fuller, who was the first black and only chief can't the, neil basu is equivalent to a chief constable, but mike fuller spoke about these issues before he left the police service. that was ten years ago or so. it's nothing absolutely new, but it's good and refreshing to hear it from him because he is learning from history. what's happened in the past when you don't acknowledge there are issues and how, if you take on board working with the committee and build
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those relationships, it makes for a more effective organisation and a more effective organisation and a more reflective organisation, to reflect the communities we serve. and you will get more people from minority ethnic groups joining the organisation like him, even though hejoined at the organisation like him, even though he joined at the most hostile of times during the stephen lawrence enquiry etc. it's quite clear that he isa enquiry etc. it's quite clear that he is a person who is willing to step up and say it as it is. he is a person who is willing to step up and say it as it islj he is a person who is willing to step up and say it as it is. i am just reading the letter again. i will read a few more quotes for the viewers. each setback is heartbreaking and despite how far we have come in this country we must confront the fact with many of our communities, especially the black community, we still have a long way to go. he goes on, "this disparity is seen in education, health, in the workplace. it's everywhere and it's a daily lived experience for many." what else do police officers in this
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country need to do to make sure more people trust them? well, i think it's simple, really. you've got to treat people with respect and dignity on every single encounter, whether it is a stop and search or a drug search, a section 60 roadblock, whatever it is. especially when it isa whatever it is. especially when it is a volatile situation when you can get culled up and seeing things in a distorted fashion. you gotta understand other people, especially now, can record you. you should have your body, anyway. the question of understanding that you treat people with the dignity they deserve and understand that one encounter can go horribly wrong, just like we have seen with the george floyd issue. now 20 years ago i gave evidence at the stephen lawrence enquiry, the macpherson enquiry, to say that the police service is institutionally racist and we had to acknowledge it.
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we had of the reform and the culture change required. and here we are 20 yea rs change required. and here we are 20 years later, things have gone backwards. so it's just years later, things have gone backwards. so it'sjust a question of getting a grip of this, getting the supervision and leadership at street level to make sure that officers are fit for the 21st century. thank you very much, leroy. leroy logan, former superintendent at the met for three decades. more monuments have been removed because of their links to slavery, after protesters toppled a statue of a slave trader in bristol. last night a statue of the slave dealer robert milligan was taken down in london docklands to cheers from crowds. labour councils across the country are now reviewing whether it's still appropriate to keep other statues with links to britain's colonial past. hundreds joined a protest in oxford to demand that a statue of the colonialist cecil rhodes be taken down from oriel college. the funeral of george floyd, whose killing sparked global protests, has taken place at a church in houston, texas.
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the service was attended by mr floyd's family, friends, celebrities and civil rights leaders. it heard pleas for systemic change to prevent future acts of police brutality, and there were powerful calls for an end to racial injustice. we are going to talk about the pressure that norman was mentioning to us on the education secretary, by the fact that primary schools in england, which were due to welcome all peoples back before the summer term, will now not be doing so after a change of heart from the government yesterday. let's talk to conservative mp tom hunt, who sits on the education select committee. mr hunter, good morning to you. good morning. next week parents will be able to take their kids into mcdonald's restaurants. next month most won't be able to take their children back to school in england.
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does that make sense to you? children back to school in england. does that make sense to you ?|j children back to school in england. does that make sense to you? i sit on the education select committee and i've had a number of meetings in the last two to three months, and i have to say that i have been getting increasingly depressed at the way in which i have seen how these school closures are having a negative impact on some of the most disadvantaged children in our society. i really had hoped that we would get more children back to school by september. i do think ligament has done what it can to get as many back as possible. but u nfortu nately, as many back as possible. but unfortunately, it has not had an easyjob. i think a lot of the educational establishment could have made it easier. right, what do you mean by that? i think some of the largest teaching unions, such as the national education union, they haven't been particularly productive and positive in the discussions. yes, covid continues to pose a risk. it continues to pose a threat. but i think there should have been much
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more of a can—do attitude in terms of getting children back school. we've almost had what we have seen from the labour party as they have a most welcome to the fact that we are not going to have most children back in school by september, and i think that's incredibly strange bearing in mind the party was supposedly set up to help and support the most disadvantaged, is welcoming something that will affect many children from disadvantaged background. what is strange is that your government tells us regularly it is following the science. it told us on it is following the science. it told us on may 16, gavin williamson told us, "i want to reassure you this is based on the best scientific advice, with children at the heart of everything we do." the science has not changed, so why is your education secretary and your prime minister failed education secretary and your prime ministerfailed to education secretary and your prime minister failed to persuade those unions that were cautious?” minister failed to persuade those unions that were cautious? i think ultimately as the education secretary made it clear yesterday, the five tests have been met. and he
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does believe that he can continue to encourage as many schools to reopen, getting kids back to face—to—face contact before september. but ultimately, the reality with this is the government cannotjust snap its fingers and also to get back to school. no, of course not. no one watching thinks it is a click of the fingers, of course. but your government has failed to persuade people that it is safe, even though it tells us they are following the science. that is a failure, yes? it isn't a failure. i think the government has done everything it can to try and convince as many partners as possible that it is safe to go back. and also, the risks and the dangers of more children not going back to school by september. so why hasn't it managed to persuade those people? i have to be honest with you, the vast majority of those involved in the educational establishment are motivated by what is best for the children. u nfortu nately, is best for the children. unfortunately, i've reached the conclusion that the deuce seem to be many people, particularly at senior
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levels in the teaching unions, who seem to be more motivated by scoring political points and throwing up obstructions than they are by getting back as many children as possible to school. that's my honest view and it's one i have regrettably reached. right, that's a really strong accusation, that the senior leadership roles in some unions are motivated more by scoring political points. do you have any evidence for that? i mean, look at some of the comedy? i have seen from some of the senior representatives from these school unions. we had one not long ago, who was sort of actively discouraging teachers from engaging in online learning. which i think is very unhelpful. sorry, who was that? who was that and which union? the national education union. actively discouraging teachers from doing online learning? i've got the quote. what is it? well, it's not to hand. i thought you said you had it? the
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general secretary is quoted as actively discouraging some of their members from engaging in online learning. i want to make absolutely clear here that, you know, every teacher i've spoken to is in education because they care about our children and they're passionate about opportunities for young people. the vast majority of teachers i have spoken to can see the damage school closures are doing. but i do think, i do think that many of them have been let down bya number of that many of them have been let down by a number of the senior union representatives. so you are blaming the unions. does your education secretary, gavin williamson, have an erect —— any responsibility for this? from what i can see the secretary of state for education is, you know, he came to talk to or education select committee not so long ago. we had a long session with him. my view is that the education secretary can absolutely see the damage that is being done by schools having closed. so why is he not
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sorting it?! why is he not providing portakabins? you managed to build and equipa portakabins? you managed to build and equip a 4000 bed hospital, the nightingale hospital, why is he not thinking creatively about how to help union leaders and teachers sought this? well, to be fair, i think he has done. he has. he has made it absolutely clear he is doing everything he can. which is what? what is he actually doing? he has had close dialogue with head teachers. what, he has spoken to them? what teachers. what, he has spoken to them ? what about teachers. what, he has spoken to them? what about practical solutions? why can't you provide portakabins for solutions? why can't you provide porta kabins for schools that solutions? why can't you provide portakabins for schools that don't have the space so more kids can go back? i think to be perfectly honest with you, that is something we should probably be open to. right, so he hasn't thought of that idea? this hasn't ended. we continue to have a government encourages managed children to go back to school... but you have to help them, that is what government does, it needs to lead. it will continue to do so. have you
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seen leadership from the education secretary and the prime minister on the subject of kids education in england? yes, i think we have done. ultimately, i can understand, i can understand this pandemic has scared a lot of people, quite rightly. i can understand quite rightly why a lot of parents, and also some of my constituents, have been concerned about their children going back to school. so i'm not blind to that. but ultimately i'm also aware that my cry came into politics to help children from disadvantaged backgrounds. i had learning disabilities at school myself. if i had been at school this time, i had relationships with teachers i depended on. that is why i'm so upset about what is happening. but i'm notjust going to attack the government. i think they've done everything they can to get kids back. on that point than that they have done everything they can, fewer than half of the laptops that were due to be distributed to
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disadvantaged children have been distributed. they haven't done everything they can, have they, mr hunt? i would say in terms of the digital divide that will continue to bea digital divide that will continue to be a big issue going forward and there have been some big issues in terms of those laptops being disseminated. that has been an issue. can i also add, and i'm glad you appreciate this is notjust a matter for the government, this isn't just a cheap matter for the government, this isn'tjust a cheap political point, but i would say that the labour party, her majesty's royal opposition, who obviously have strong connections with some of the unions, i think the labour leader has gone to ground on it, the shadow education secretary, i think if the labour party had been more proactive and more positive about trying to do everything they can to work productively with us, to get to the situation were more children can get back to school, that would have helped and they have chosen not to do that. that is an important point here. the fact we've had a shadow
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education secretary welcoming the fa ct education secretary welcoming the fact that we are in the position we are in. nobody wants to be in this position. the garment has not given up. it will continue to do everything it can to encourage children back to school as soon as possible. —— the government has not given up. one finalthought, one of theissuesis given up. one finalthought, one of the issues is the two metre rule. should that be scrapped? there is also a point about secondary schools. there will be some face—to—face time for year ten and year 12. it is easierfor face—to—face time for year ten and year 12. it is easier for those aged children to follow social distancing guidelines than young children. i think we're probably at a point where yes, my personal view is that of the two metre gap in general, i think, should probably be looked at. and i think clearly if it was one metre, we could do more with that. i must be honest with you, i'm very sad. icame must be honest with you, i'm very sad. i came into politics because i'm passionate about young people getting every opportunity in life. it's mainly children from the most
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disadvantaged backgrounds here, children with special educational needs like i had, who are going to miss out the most. the damage to social mobility we can see here, you can set us back for generations. yeah, we'll do something about it then? we will continue to do that. i'm going to the education select committee right now and i will be making my voice heard. rest assured iam making my voice heard. rest assured i am passionate about this. i am very motivated by this, as you can probably tell. yes. thank you very much for your time. we do appreciate it. tom hunt, the conservative mp and member of the education select committee. your views welcome. send us an committee. your views welcome. send us an e—mail. you can message us twitter as well. good morning. more than thirty—four years after the murder of the swedish prime minister, olof palme, prosecutors say they have identified his killer. mr palme was shot dead in stockholm in 1986
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after going to the cinema with his wife and son, sparking a massive manhunt and a number of conspiracy theories. the main suspect is stig engstrom, a graphic designer who died twenty years ago — prosecutors say they believe he acted alone. they're now closing the investigation — which was the biggest in swedish history. a medical assistant from california, blinded in one eye after police allegedly shot her with a rubber bullet at a black lives matter protest, has told us exclusively she has no regrets aboutjoining the rally. 29—year—old shantania love, a medical assistant and mum of two, says she's been told by her surgeon it's 99.9% certain she'll lose her sight in one eye. she's now suing the sacramento police department. her lawyer says if they win the case, compensation could reach millions of dollars. it was the first protest ms love has ever taken part in, and says it's ironic that on a protest against police brutality — sparked by the killing of geroge floyd — she had become "a victim of police brutality".
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she told me what happened on the night of the rally. ijust want i just want justice for black people. i want equality for them. protesting is a positive way to get that done. and tell us what happened that done. and tell us what happened that night? so we started at the police department. we came at the end of that. we were there for three orfour minutes. then end of that. we were there for three or four minutes. then we started marching down the street. then we ended up at an overpass. and at the overpass it was full of police vans. we were there for three or four hours. and then something happened that agitated the crowd. they started singing, hands up down the
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chute. when they were saying that, i was walking away towards the sidewalk. i turned around for a couple of seconds and itjust hit me. then it hit me. ifell to the ground. my brother and emt and another lady rushed me to the sidewalk. a couple of them surrounded me. like a shield. the officers didn't help me at all. they kind of just officers didn't help me at all. they kind ofjust stood around. i don't know if blacked out is the right words to use, but all i knew was that my eye was swollen that it was bleeding. why did the police, if it was the police, why did they use them there? that is what we want to know, what we want to find out. we don't know why they used them the way they used them. in this country, in britain, we don't use rubber bullets, we don't really know what they are. i wonder if you can try and describe to our audience when one hits you? the pain is... it's so
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bad that afterwards it's hard to describe. ijust, keep using the term that it felt like i was shot a canon. like, it was really, really bad. excruciating pain. and what do you think about what has happened to you? that... i... ithink it is extremely ironic that a protest for police brutality, i am now a victim of that. i'm devastated, you know. it's life altering. i have to change my whole life around now because of this injury. so my surgeon told me that there is a 99% chance that i will be blind in that i. so, i have
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another surgery next week. how did you react when the surgeon said that to you about the likelihood of you losing your site in that i?” to you about the likelihood of you losing your site in that i? i was devastated. that's hard news to hear after having vision for 29 years and then something this traumatic happens. it was hard. wow. when you look in the mirror, what do you think? ijust wow. when you look in the mirror, what do you think? i just feel a lot of sadness. there are times when i
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sit in my room and just cry because it's a lot. it's a lot. i'm going to bring in your lawyer, lisa, thank you for talking to us. what are you going to do about this? this is so outrageous that this is still going on at outrageous that this is still going onata outrageous that this is still going on at a protest about police brutality. in south africa in the 19605, are you kidding me? this is a young mother and medical assistant and the first demonstration of her life, by the way. we are going to do everything we can do to fight for justice and that means filing an internal affairs complaint with the police department, the officer who shot her should be fired. any office rs shot her should be fired. any officers who were complicit should be fired. we are going to file a civil lawsuit to get compensation for the lifelong injury she now has a loss of vision in one eye. we have
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a loss of vision in one eye. we have a statement from the sacramento police department and they say we are aware of the allegations being made. at this point, we have not confirmed that the injury sustained in this incident are due to a sacramento police department use of force. multiple outside agencies have assisted with the protest. of the injuries are determined to have been sustained due to a sacramento police department use of force, per department policy, the use of force will be reviewed. how do you react to that? we believe it was sacramento pd but it is true there we re sacramento pd but it is true there were three law enforcement agencies there, and how convenient for all of them to point the finger at the other guy. do they really not know who was shooting rubber bullets into the crowd that night? if they don't know, that's another sign of incompetence on their part. don't they have records of you was shooting bullets into a crowd? they have records of you was shooting bullets into a crowd7m you do win the case, potentially what could the compensation look like? definitely into the millions
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of dollars. there is no question about it. what is the price of losing an eye at age 29? it's not just a physical injury, it's also the emotional injuries, also the fear of police. i wonder, do you regret being at that protest that night? no. really? yes, not at all. why? like i said yesterday, ithink it's bigger than me, thanjust me and what i have lost. so, no, i don't regret it at all. what does george floyd mean to you? george floyd m ea ns george floyd mean to you? george floyd means to me what trayvon martin did and oscar grant, and even going back further, it's heartbreaking.
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schools and colleges in england have to submit their estimated grades for gcse and a level pupils by the end of this week — key judgement that will affect tens of thousands of lives without exams being taken due to the coronavirus lockdown. an committee of mps is meanwhile holding an oral evidence session to consider the impact of exam cancellations and the fairness of this new, improvised grades system. that is where tom hunt the conservative mp was going to. that will include whether pupils from underprivileged backgrounds will suffer disproportionately. and we can also speak to naomi kellman, founder of target oxbridge which helps black students applying for oxford and cambridge university. also with us is one of those students helped by target oxbridge, ines momodu—herrero. she has an offer from oxford but will only get in if she gets the right calculated grades. and tom buick, i don't have your organisation written down, i do, the
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federation of awarding bodies. thank you all of you for talking to us. mr buick, is having teachers predicting student grades the best way to resolve the cancellation of exams? it is certainly the best way in the circumstances. let's not forget that this is the first time in history, since the end of the second world war, that gcse and a—level students who were due to be sitting these sessional, communal examinations this summer have had those cancelled, so the choice was either to do —— delay the qualifications or come up with a model that would enable gca students to pick up their results on the 13th of august and a—level students will pick them up on the 13th of august, and gcse stu d e nts on the 13th of august, and gcse students on the 20th of august, so it's about not disadvantaging a whole generation of learners and thatis whole generation of learners and that is what the calculated grade system is all about. you wrote a piece forfurther system is all about. you wrote a piece for further education week, that tutor led grade prediction is
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more of an art than science. andrew cited a 2016 ucl study which found that teachers only correctly predicted 16% of grades for university entry. that's right. it's no secret in the education sector that purely teacher led approaches to assessment is far from optimal for students. and there are lots of reasons for that. the study i quoted obviously looked at unconscious bias. interestingly, she also discovered that in 75% of cases teachers over predict the grades of students, so in that sense, the over predictions work in favour of students, not against them. so it's good news for those who had their exams cancelled this time?” good news for those who had their exams cancelled this time? i don't wa nt to exams cancelled this time? i don't want to say it's good news because i think have —— as other commentators
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have said, because of coronavirus, this absolutely exceptional situation we find ourselves in, there are people like myself who enjoy that right of passage actually quite a long time ago now, but was nevertheless able to experience the examinations progress —— process and move on to higher or further education and in some cases apprenticeships into workplaces. there is no getting away from the fa ct there is no getting away from the fact that half a million students are having their life chances and that right of passage affected this year. why have you changed your mind about the teacher prediction system? it was only last month that you said those kind of measures could sound the death knell for public confidence. i don't think it's about changing my mind about the robustness and integrity of teacher led assessment. as i say, the academic and empirical research shows that that is clearly an inferior model compared to what we have been operating in england, which is this independent, external
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assessment whereby candidates benchmark their skills, knowledge and behaviours against other candidates in the country and that is all externally quality assured and validated. that is obviously the best possible system, but of course, thatis best possible system, but of course, that is not possible in an arrangement where we have strict social distancing rules. sorry, hello to you ines, you got an offer from oxford to get the a star into a's and you didn't maths last year, so are you worried about the predicted grade system?” so are you worried about the predicted grade system? i am less worried than i would be in the other situation because i still have the a—levels left to complete, so i can still fail one of them and as long asi still fail one of them and as long as i gota in still fail one of them and as long as i got a in the others, i'd still be ok. and this is to study biochemistry at new college oxford. your teachers are not going to get your predicted grades wrong, are they? i hope not. but if it didn't
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work out and did not go according to plan, would you retake your a—levels in the autumn? oh, sorry. if it didn't go according to plan, i think i would. would you? but oxford would not hold my offer so i would have to reapply to oxford again in december, and sit the interview process again in orderto go and sit the interview process again in order to go next year. ok, that might be stressful? yes, i wouldn't wa nt might be stressful? yes, i wouldn't want to have to go through all of it again. no way. let me bring in naomi. i wonder if you think that there are some particular students who are going to be disadvantaged in the system of calculating grades? yes, the report you referenced demonstrates that for high attaining students from lower income backgrounds, they tend to have their grades under predicted by teachers and we know the ethnic minority students are more likely to be from a low income background. is that
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because of the unconscious bias that tom buick was discussing with us? yes. research demonstrates that teachers do have low expectations of students from ethnic minority and low income backgrounds, and the combination of that with this new syste m combination of that with this new system raises concerns that those students won't get the grades that they do deserve. ok. and, of course, i feel like i should they do deserve. ok. and, of course, ifeel like i should point they do deserve. ok. and, of course, i feel like i should point out that there are obviously thousands of teachers who do not fall into that unconscious by a situation and simply look at the evidence of the coursework and homework in that kind of stuff. from that evidence, the research that we are quoting a lot from this morning, our students actually likely to miss out on university because of teachers under predicted grades when we know that mostly they over predict? greenwood
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stu d e nts mostly they over predict? greenwood students from low—income backgrounds might be at risk of that. universities do look into this again so universities do look into this again soi universities do look into this again so i hope if students miss their grades because of this system and there will be flexibility and it will be determined when the results come out, but i hope that universities look at that contextual information and take it into account when making final decisions. why do you think oxford, if ines had to re—take you think oxford, if ines had to re—ta ke and you think oxford, if ines had to re—take and got the grades they would ask her to go through the whole process again?” would ask her to go through the whole process again? i think what oxford has said is that they would be considering things when it happens, so they have said that if those students have narrowly missed grades and there are reasons for that, they will look into that and i think it can't be guaranteed until it happens, but i do think they will ta ke it happens, but i do think they will take that information into consideration. ines, what is it like not having to take your a—levels? you didn't maths last year and got a start a grade. i've been revising
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for my a levels since january because i wanted to make sure that i knew everything and i wasn't going to see anything go wrong because my home life is a rough situation, so i wanted to make sure that if anything cropped up that was unexpected i was going to be prepared for the exams, so going to be prepared for the exams, so by the time they cancelled it i'd already done around two and a half months of revision, and it felt like the ending was so abrupt that no one really got the closure you get when you finish compulsory education. but overall, i feel like you finish compulsory education. but overall, ifeel like i'm you finish compulsory education. but overall, i feel like i'm a lot less stressed now and i know a lot of my friends are finally relaxing in lockdown and they know that their mental health is a lot better than it would have been during exam season. listen, good luck. thanks. august the what? good luck, ines and good luck and thanks for talking to us on good luck and thanks for talking to us on bbc one, and naomi as well, and tom, from the federation of
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awarding bodies. thank you for your time, all of you. the headlines on bbc news. boris johnson will announce more plans to ease the lockdown, with zoos, safari parks and drive—in cinemas in england allowed to re—open from monday, a day after abandoning plans for all primary schools to return. a warning from nhs leaders in england — 10 million people could end up on hospital waiting lists by the end of the year. after another slave trader statue is removed, labour councils plan a review into public monuments. racism in the uk is in sharp focus. one institution which has publicly committed to tackling the problem is the british army. but how deep does racism run within its own ranks? and are they doing enough to stop it? callum tulley has this report, which does contain some strong and offensive language. the british army is working hard to
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recruit young people, targeting minorities and their adverts. but black and asian people born in britain are less likely to be soldiers than their white counterparts. and some say the problem is racism. i packed my bags and say i'm leaving and join the army. i don't want to be here. you are the standard you walk past. no one of ethnic minority in the british army would walk past that.” wa nt to british army would walk past that.” want to find out how deep racism ru ns want to find out how deep racism runs in the army. if they went through everybody‘s phone in the british army, we wouldn't have an army any and whether they have racism under control. i'm looking at an article from november 2018, titled british soldier recruited for far—right group while in army. this is nico, who was a member of the band far right organisation national macro
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he wanted to build a whites only society and was stockpiling weapons in preparation for a race war all while serving as a corporal in the british army including tours in afghanistan. he is now injail, but mark barrett, a 24—year—old soldier was tried alongside him and eventually found not guilty. so this mark barrett, who apparently had a cardboard swastika openly displayed on his window in the barracks in cyprus is someone we've been trying to get hold of for months now. hi, mate, you are right? ok. good to see you. do you want to come in? cheers. and this is mark barrett. he spent six months in a high security prison charged with membership of national action before a jury set him free, but he lost his army career. tell us about him? did you like?” but he lost his army career. tell us about him? did you like? i took him as much as any other person. his
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racist humour and racist jokes as much as any other person. his racist humour and racistjokes were perhaps a bit higher than everybody else. he was asking us to draw swastikas. were alarm bells not ringing? alll swastikas. were alarm bells not ringing? all i thought was he was interested in his old history and he asked me to draw a picture, so i did. the group chat you are added to, what sort of thing is people saying? how dark was getting? there we re saying? how dark was getting? there were really bad racist and anti—semitic sorts of jokes. were really bad racist and anti—semitic sorts ofjokes. there we re eve n anti—semitic sorts ofjokes. there were even words i didn't know about. ididn't were even words i didn't know about. i didn't know what anti—semitism was. do you not hold any sort of responsibility? i do, but that's 90% of responsibility? i do, but that's 9096 of the british army. if they went through everybody‘s phone in the british army, we wouldn't have an army any more. he's not the skinhead covered in tattoos that i expected to meet. and i'm still unclear what exactly it was he was sharing or laughing about on this messaging group, but his messages were presented as evidence against him in court, so i've got hold of them.
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this is what mark has described to me as dark humour. he posted images of the ku klux klan and of a blackmail hanging from a tree. an image of women and children next to a train with the slogan all aboard the jew—jew train and he posted an image of donald trump with the phrase spics and end word need to hang from trees. he also said eventually the world will see them for what they are and the wall —— war will begin. no sorrow or remorse for those sickening degenerates. i am left wondering what it's like to be on the receiving end of such abuse. within the army, minorities are more likely to complain about bullying, harassment and discrimination than their fellow white soldiers. here he is, david. look at the size of him. i can't go to the gym with this guy. let's go.
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come on. let's go! 34-year-old david says that for him raising concerns about racism in the army made things worse. how good a soldier were you? i was named best recruit, so that says it all, doesn't it? really? did you have a nixon —— nickname press yes, black dave. i never called him that. we did have another dave in the pulsing so he was english and white. you didn't mind being called black dave, but when did it go too far custom just banter, it's panto 90% of the and i would laugh at it, but with the senior, if you say something, you get court—martialed and bad jobs and that's why people don't want to talk. if you talk, your career is screwed. particularly from your senior colleagues, the racial slurs you weren't comfortable with, they continued. yes, people
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we re with, they continued. yes, people were breathing down my neck and i found myself on continuous duties every friday, going home late, and he called me a black bead in front of everyone and no one said anything. that was the part that pushed me to the edge. david has now left the army and former colleagues back up his story. but they are afraid that they would lose the trust of army friends by speaking out. only one was willing to go on camera. joe collinson joined when he was just 17 and served in camera. joe collinson joined when he wasjust 17 and served in iraq and afghanistan. say hello. hello. joe. good to see you. did you know david? yes, we were based in a checkpoint together. do you think he was being racially abused ? together. do you think he was being racially abused? yes. no doubt. our blocks were sort of overmanned, we had too many people and this was after afg ha nista n had too many people and this was after afghanistan so they put a
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couple of blokes in the who were mates and were happy to move in but they moved dave in their and a couple of others just to get him out the block, i think. and people would a lwa ys the block, i think. and people would always be like, it stinks in there, and that sort of stuff just always be like, it stinks in there, and that sort of stuffjust because of the colour of his skin. if the racial chat came from his superiors, how could he challenge that? no chance. what's particularly sad about david's case is that it seems that the army lost a brilliant soldier. i'm keen to find out if the problem is i'm hearing about from former soldiers are still affecting people today. —— the problems. last year the army set up a new team to encourage reporting bullying, harassment and discrimination and to try and prevent it happening in the first place. it is headed up by lou tennant colonel first place. it is headed up by lou tenna nt colonel jonathan buxton. first place. it is headed up by lou tennant coloneljonathan buxton. how widespread you the issue of racism is in the army? to say there is no
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racism in the army is incorrect. there is racism there, like there is bullying and sexism. i don't think the army is institutionally racist. this captain's family told him not tojoin the army this captain's family told him not to join the army but he has no regrets. you have experienced racism in the army? yes. what are you worried that raising concerns would affect your career? i just went for it and affect your career? i just went for itand did affect your career? i just went for it and did not consider it. i saw something i didn't like and i acted on it. can i speakfor other people? other people might be worried about it. the tragedy of all of this is that people are put off from the army by the actions of a few racists. i am revisiting mark barrett. i can't quite get those racist messages he wrote out of my head. i wanted to find out how he feels about the content of these m essa g es feels about the content of these messages today and whether he feels any remorse for what he originally told me was merely dark humour. one of the things you said on the group was, and this was referring to
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muslims, eventually the world will see them for what they are and the war will begin. no sorrow or remorse for those sickening degenerates. i don't see the humour in that. for those sickening degenerates. i don't see the humour in thatm for those sickening degenerates. i don't see the humour in that. it was about the attacks in london, the people that stabbed those people on the bridge. everyone was quite annoyed at that. stupid things were said at that point, and i regret saying things like that, because that's pretty bad. you posted an image of the ku klux klan and a black man hanging from a tree. you posted a picture of us president donald trump with the slogan, spics need to hang from trees. now i'm out of the army and living a different life, you look back and hear the jokes and even nowadays when i see some of the friends i know in the army they will say a joke and i'm like, jesus, mate, calm down a bit. the messaging group that mark was in was called triple k mafia. as we walked back, he revealed there were two other soldiers added to the
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group but they both chose to leave shortly afterwards. so these guys we re shortly afterwards. so these guys were in the same messaging group? yes. one left the army and one is still serving. did you know them? i knew both of them in both of them we re knew both of them in both of them were close friends. the one who is still serving, he spent christmas day with us. since talking to mark, we've been trying to find out more about the two soldiers he mentioned and whether the army ever investigated them. it has led us to three pieces of evidence presented in his trial. first is a picture of jordan, who was a serving member of the british army and here is a picture of him on an army base stood next to a burning cross firing a bow and arrow in broad daylight. there is another photo, this is of a nazi ca ke is another photo, this is of a nazi cake that was apparently provided by scott parker for mark's birthday. finally there is a message from nico. it says this, can you add to these two numbers? these are two
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more committed nazis in the army, referring to scott parker and jordan. i know them both, and so does mark. i don't know if there's any truth in the suggestion that they are nazis, but i would do you wa nt to they are nazis, but i would do you want to find out if any of this evidence was investigated by the army. so i asked lieutenant colonel buxton and the captain back in plymouth what they would expect to happen. jordan, who was pictured next to this burning cross, is still serving to this day. one of the sayings we have is that you are the standard you walk past. i would never walk past that. no other person of ethnic minority in the british army would walk past that. there are plenty of examples in the military where someone has made one comment on facebook and it's been reported to the chain of command and they have been removed from post immediately and they have been disciplined for it. the army would not give any detail on whether jordan or scott parker faced investigation. the army does want to
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recruit from every community and ethnicity in britain. but if we truly care about our army being the best, it needs to be free of racism and racists. that was callum tulley reporting there, and you can see his full film for bbc3 — ‘racism in the ranks‘ — on iplayer now. in a statement to the bbc the british army said: "there is no place in the british army for any form of racist view or behaviour and all personnel receive regular diversity & inclusion and respect for others training. they are made aware of how to report unacceptable behaviour, including to the speakout confidential helpline. the army takes all allegations of mistreatment very seriously and we encourage any suggestion of unacceptable behaviour to be raised to the chain of command to be investigated accordingly. we recognise we need to do more, and last year we adopted the recommendations of air chief marshal michael wigston's report on inappropriate behaviours."
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you for your messages about schools. kerstin says there is an army of supply teachers currently without worku are available for paid work, educating children who have missed out on their schooling. the government could approach these teachers to help out with the education crisis. john says, what a pathetic interview you did with the conservative mp regarding school openings. do you think the government canjust openings. do you think the government can just click their fingers and schools will reopen? it is obvious that the unions are stopping schools reopening. and nicky says, can't believe you are insisting it's the government's response ability to get schools open. councils have myriad managers being overpaid and underworked. where are these people? it is not the government responsibility to sort out local schools. thanks for those, keep them coming in. now it's time for a look at the weather with carol high pressure has been dominating the weather quite a while but today for the next five days at low pressure will take over, so the weather is turning more unsettled and it will be cloudy and wet and
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not just today either. and it will be cloudy and wet and notjust today either. what and it will be cloudy and wet and not just today either. what we and it will be cloudy and wet and notjust today either. what we have at the moment is a fair bit of cloud across the british isles. later, it will brighten up in the northern isles, and northern ireland will see a mixture of sunshine and showers today but for the rest of us, sunshine is going to be fairly limited. in fact what we do have are two distinctive bands of rain heading east and here is the first, and here is the second. the second producing heavy rain this afternoon across parts of south—west scotland, north—west england, wales and also the south—west. that could be torrential rain and also have some thunder and lightning embedded in it. temperatures between 11 and 16 degrees but the wind is picking up across the north of scotland later. the wind will continue to pick up as we go through the evening and overnight and what you will find is low pressure dominating the weather today which starts to slide southwards, taking its weather fronts with it, so it will be a wet night across wales but particularly south—west england where it could remain wet all night. more torrential downpours and thunder and lightning. it is through tomorrow
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that the low pressure eventually sinks towards the bay of biscay and in its wake we will see heavy showers coming in across parts of england and wales. as we move further north, something drier and brighter with fewer showers but more showers coming in across eastern parts of england. temperatures between 12 and 18 degrees. by the time we get to friday, the low pressure in the bay of biscay will start to move a little bit further north and you can also see a good weather front draped across southern scotland, northern england and northern ireland. that is going to bring in some rain and it will push north through the day, weakening as it does so. you can see all the rain coming in across the channel islands and southern england and also parts of wales. that could be heavy. in between, well, there will be cloud around and it will feel cool along the north sea coastline with the onshore wind and generally it will be windier everywhere. on saturday, we have showers and here is the weather front moving north across scotla nd weather front moving north across scotland were showers across england
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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. i'm victoria derbyshire. the uk prime minister borisjohnson will announce more plans to ease the lockdown, with zoos, safari parks and drive—in cinemas in england allowed to re—open from monday. the announcement comes a day after the government abandoned plans for all primary schools to return before the summer. the same voices that last week were basically supporting, you know, people who were saying, do not open up the schools, are this week criticising us for saying, well, we'll take it deliberately carefully. a warning from national health service leaders in england — ten million people could end up on hospital waiting lists by the end of the year. more than 30 years after the assassination of swedish prime minsiter olof palme, police identify the main suspect as a man who died 20 years ago.
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