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this is bbc world news, the headlines. the brother of gerorge floyd has urged us lawmakers not to let his brother become "another name on a list". philonise floyd called on congress to make meaningful changes to how law enforcement operates. the prime minister also announced a further easing of the lockdown rules in england — from saturday adults who live alone or single parent families will be able to form what's called a "support bubble" with one other household. one of britain's leading epidemiologists has said the number of coronavirus—related deaths could have been reduced by at least half — if country had entered a lockdown sooner. the prime minister said it was still too early to make such a judgement. the world health organisation has warned that the coronavirus crisis is by no means over. it's also said there's little evidence a change in the seasons
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will affect the pandemic. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are christopher hope, chief political correspondent at the daily telegraph and polly mackenzie, chief executive of centre left think tank demos. tomorrow's front pages, starting with. .. the express, which leads on the government's ‘support bubble‘ plans for some households in england. the measures allow single adult households, or single parents living with under 18—year—olds, to meet and stay with one other household without having to socially distance. the metro's front page also features that story, celebrating the fact that some couples will be able to stay overnight together. the times adds that the changes may also mean that grandparents will be able to see their children
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and grandchildren too. and the i also looks at that story. saying ‘pick a family‘ — that choice now being faced by many. meanwhile, the financial times focuses on claims from the government's former adviser that the uk prime minister could have avoided thousands of deaths, if he had implemented lockdown one week earlier. it also has a picture of george floyd's brother philonise floyd, who testified at a housejudiciary committee hearing on police brutality and racial profiling in washington. and the daily telegraph says that borisjohnson is aiming to scrap the two—metre distancing rule in schools in england by september. it also has a story onjk rowling, who revealed she was a victim of sexual assault while explaining her stance on women's rights — following her controversial tweets about trans women. so let's begin... christopher and polly, good to see you both. let's pick up with the eye and they say pick a family. my
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goodness that's putting it harshly. this is of course over these ease things, these new conditions particularly affecting single people. but pick a family, that's pretty tough. yes, i think lots of people who live alone have found lockdown incredibly difficult because they have been isolated. and that's had a huge impact on peoples mental health. and some of the papers then particularly about grandparents who haven't been able to see grandchildren for months now. i guess the challenge with this proposal which will come into force in the next couple days, is that it's only if you are living on your own that you're allowed to join up with another family. that means grandparents who are in a couple are not eligible for this joining up. equally, if you're a family like my family and you've got three different sets of grandparents, which won are you allowed to adopt? it's not really clear. and maybe
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you're allowed to stay overnight but actually maybe state i—person and then somebody different the following week. it's not really clear but you are and aren't allowed to do. because you know life is messy and complicated. and now we are in the kind of ending lockdown phase, it just feels are in the kind of ending lockdown phase, itjust feels like it's all unraveling and is quite hard for people to really follow the guidelines. in the end they will just use common sense. maybe that's a good thing. but does mean that the government is kind of fantasising i think, really that they still have control over these tiny issues in peoples lives. christopher, this idea of bubbling that we heard about at the daily briefing. life is complicated. most of our lives are pretty messy. how does bubbling then at work? how do we put it into practice? well it's actually i—person from a different household canjoin up with a i—person from a different household can join up with a second household. in form or mailed without household. that's the idea of bubbling. it
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comes from new zealand, the idea of social bubbles first started there. the hope is that this single house or bubble can be extended into more people. so maybe a pair of grandparents and possibly in the future, no date set. but from saturday single people on their own may be an aunt or one gram living alone can sort of tie themselves to alone can sort of tie themselves to a new family. that's a really good and to be praised. borisjohnson did admit in his press conference today, there will be anomalies, as you say. family life is complicated. no 1's life is straightforward. and so we will go about using judgment. there's a slight problem here because the government did a law i think it was last monday, came into force that you can't stay overnight at someone else's house. and a risk at someone else's house. and a risk a fine. 0r at someone else's house. and a risk a fine. orthe police at someone else's house. and a risk a fine. or the police not your door down. i'm not sure how the guidance fits with the actual law. yet again not entirely clear. maybe we must
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use oui’ not entirely clear. maybe we must use our judgement like not entirely clear. maybe we must use ourjudgement like borisjohnson allowed his chief adviser dominic cummings to do. leaving it up to us i guess. and use ourjudgment. the times has this image of a grandchild saying the grandparent through a pane of glass. kind of heartbreaking image that we are so used to. in theory grandparents will be reunited. polly, as you picked up on it's not 100% clear as to how that will work in practice. it's only one individual grandparent if they are living alone. according to these rules canjoin living alone. according to these rules can join up. living alone. according to these rules canjoin up. if you are a grandparent couple you can still come at the guidelines announced last week, you can visit your kids and your grandkids. last week, you can visit your kids and yourgrandkids. or last week, you can visit your kids and your grandkids. or they can visit you so long as you only stay in the garden and used a two metres apart from another and don't do anything reckless like sharing barbecue utensils or using the toilet for more than five minutes.
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so, i think, toilet for more than five minutes. so, ithink, the toilet for more than five minutes. so, i think, the reality is, it's all sort of degenerating. maybe the infection rates are low enough that really everybody exercising generalised caution, washing their handsis generalised caution, washing their hands is going to be enough to keep... i really hope that that's the case. but it's so weird to have these really strict rules suggesting that a grandparent couple can't have their grandkids but single grandparents can. that kind of mad hyper control of the government while also opening bookmakers and theme parks. itjust all seems insane, really. i'm still going to pick up on when it comes to the practicalities because let's face it, grandparents are a huge workforce. i know that i'm com pletely workforce. i know that i'm completely reliant on my mum when it comes to looking after the children. this means technically, my kids can't go to my mothers house. but she can come to ours? putting you on
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the spot there christopher. in your familyl the spot there christopher. in your family i think it means that they can go to your itiuitis family i think it means that they can go to your mums house if your father is not living with your mom. she's alone i think the two households become one, essentially. but i don't know that. i would advise for you is to check out the guidance or use that judgement. advise for you is to check out the guidance or use thatjudgement. i think that's what it means. essentially, the two households become one. but i would advise you to read the rules on before saturday before doing that. and on the picture on page one of the times a lovely picture from a thing called glass kisses an idea which is being pushed by the duchess of cambridge. it does show how we are really seeing a lot of our humanity ripped roar across all these newspapers. seeing a lot of our humanity ripped roar across all these newspaperslj think roar across all these newspapers.” think it's great. so, i can't use the christopher defence thank you. you can try. i'm not the only one who is not clear on that but thank you. daily
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school year. we clear on exactly what is happening when it comes to schools across schools are open but not for everybody. fingers crossed they will be open for september four. what is happening christopher? the big issue is a two metre rule. the big issue is a two metre rule. the identified at the telegraph weeks ago, ministers are very concerned about this rule. the who has concerned about this rule. the who ha 5 a llowe d concerned about this rule. the who has allowed one metre social distancing. there is questions about why that is not the case of the uk. i was told by someone that the figure was won. it was just double because they weren't sure that people would stick to one meter. so the concern is wiser to metres because if it can be shrunk down bigger class sizes, bigger than a 15 limit on pupils of primary schools? the worry is they want to get more children to school. these are small schools that might need more space. we have keir starmer writing in the
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telegraph tomorrow talking about opening up museums and town halls and public buildings. to try and get more teaching space. possibly more teachers may be from the kind of retired teaching community. there is all sorts of ideas going on. what is quite clear is it's very hard for children to miss six whole months of schooling and then pick it up as though nothing has changed really, and september. next week they'll announce some degree of some of schooling and some support with some of schooling. and that reassurance couldn't come soon enough for parents. indeed, it couldn't. when it comes to this idea bringing into stories as usual and a very elegant way. showing a zoo with some animals saying i hope they don't get out of their car, they carry so much disease. polly, a lot of discussion today that kids still can't go, all kids still can't go back to school. of course important to say that schools are open for key workers. the children will be able to go to
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outside safari parks, outside zoos. i guess we can at least keep them busy. yeah, it feels inconsistent even though outside attractions clearly there seems to be evidence that there's much lower infection at risk. that sitting in a confined space for five risk. that sitting in a confined space forfive or six risk. that sitting in a confined space for five or six hours a day as kids do at school. nevertheless there is a huge impact on the kids themselves and their education. one report came out suggesting that ten yea rs of progress report came out suggesting that ten years of progress in narrowing the gap between rich and poor kid has been lost. ten years of progress loss in ten weeks of schools being closed. and there is also a huge impact on parents being able to work. the kids are at school then pa rents a re work. the kids are at school then parents are going to have to stay off work. furloughed on the furloughed scheme is going to come to an end relatively soon. this is going to have to be resolved one—way of the other if we are to really reopen the economy. and it's no good sent one of your kids go back to
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school. i've got three kids, one of them being at school doesn't help with the other two. there just isn't enough physical space. which is why chris says keir starmer is starting to talk about what other spaces can we use. porter cabins and playgrounds and those kinds of innovations i think are going to be needed. i would worry about whether cutting it from two metres to one metre makes that much difference haven't watch the thames gave new stability on bbc. one teacher said it allowed him to take just three more people to class and look like. that's not enough. the issue now is to start thinking now about the problems in september. don't hope it'll be okay. because it may not be. moving on. the guardian, it had signed thousands of lives could have been saved by an earlier lockdown. this is according to professor neil ferguson putting a lot of pressure on borisjohnson at the daily downing street press conference with s. polly, just talk us through the
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thinking behind this. and what professor ferguson is describing now. professor ferguson was giving evidence and parliament today and talking about what we now know about the lockdown and the impact that it had. he's saying that because the infection we now know it was doubling every three to for days, that that in the model, if we had moved a week earlier into lockdown and this country put down restrictions we could've saved half of the people whose lives have been lost was them the official death toll is look around 40,000 it looks like excess deaths as many as 60,000 of higher than that. so that thousands and thousands of individual people of families morning. who could have been saved from that. but of course, being able to say that in hindsight it doesn't mean that it was easy to know that in advance. neil ferguson himself
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was part of those decisions on the scientific advisory group. it seems that our science at the time seemed out of step with what other countries were doing and saying. and we acted as if our science was better than other people and we do better. and unfortunately, it looks like that really isn't the case. i find it, it really grates with me when the government endlessly say that we are going to introduce world leading technology, without world leading technology, without world leading testing and tracing. i don't wa nt to leading testing and tracing. i don't want to beat the world, world class ican want to beat the world, world class i can live with but at the moment, what we have is a world beating death toll. i wish they would show just a bit more humility about that. yeah, certainly not a claim to fame there. i christopher, something that was picked up again on the daily briefing and it's this idea of hindsight, looking back on this is suddenly something that boris johnson used as a defence earlier on today. yeah, well it's hard not to
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dispute what polly said then. there's no question that boris johnson showed his frustration with these peskyjournalists asking about things had done in the past. when frankly as he said, injanuary, february even march we knew very little about this novel virus. but of course, we have to ask about what's been happening in the past. what's the best way forward? boris johnson will think it's hard to drive forward and saving lives, stopping this crisis getting any worse if you're always looking in the rear—view mirror. that's his problem. but of course that's what journalists want to ask about. and the science fleet scientists also wa nt the science fleet scientists also want to use an example of what could happen. as he said a thousand lives could've been saved by an early lockdown. we will never know if he's right. but it's concerning he should say that because we were very late on lockdown. the idea being the government says that we were slow to see government says that we were slow to see the kind of spread that other countries. so we were behind other countries. so we were behind other countries. and they acted when pr rate was at a certain level. but we
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won't know until the inquiry into this pandemic, which will be enormous. the mother of all inquiries bigger than anything else. only time will tell. we willjust have to wait for that. absolutely right. the financial times has an image of george floyd younger brother. he was giving testimony at a housejudiciary brother. he was giving testimony at a house judiciary committee brother. he was giving testimony at a housejudiciary committee here two hearing on police brutality and racial profiling. he saying he doesn't want his brothers death to be in vain. it was a brutally honest and very painful testimony. be in vain. it was a brutally honest and very painful testimonym be in vain. it was a brutally honest and very painful testimony. it was herfamily brave and very painful testimony. it was her family brave and courageous of him tojust the her family brave and courageous of him to just the day after his brother was buried to speak. and to continue the campaign and the call for something to change in the us policing. first and foremost that is the country he was speaking about
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where george floyd was killed. and actually it is a an issue of racism and police violence that spreads around the world, actually. that's why we are seeing protests and campaigns everywhere. george floyd is not by any stretch of the imagination the first man, the first black man to be killed by excess police violence. our only hope is that maybe his death might be a turning point. that's why his brother was calling for and hoping for today. absolutely christopher, resonated across the world. the protest going global. absolutely. what a testament to what happened there. that this should happen. i was very impressed and moved by the evidence that he gave in congress. a day after his brother was buried. he should do that in the hope is that his death isn't in vain. and we are seeing that the black lives matter march eight marches last weekend,
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this cultural war against symbols of empire, of slave statues being taken down in east london. thisjust shows that this death while appalling is generating some positivity possibly from it. let's hope it carries on.” do want to go back to the times because it's a story that a number of the papers have picked up on. jk rowling the author revealing that she had been a victim of sex assault and marital abuse. and this is kind of ongoing story that has been really picked up on social media. when it comes to the conversation that she's been having about the transgender community. a really delicate subject. but we can see the newspapers now picking up on this as well. polly? soaked jk rowling has been criticised in the past for some of the comment she has made and campaigns that she supported in relation to transit rights and she
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seesit relation to transit rights and she sees it women's rights. i think the post that she's put on her website is worth reading. it's thoughtful, as consider, i disagree with many of the things that she says but what's striking to be is that this debate about the rights of women and the rights of trans people has become so toxic. there is so much aggression, so many threats. including against trans women and trans men who are one of the most marginalised victims in our society. we have to find a way to hear each other with compassion and generosity. and i think that some of the response is already that were seeing to jk rowling thoughtful comments have not been characterised by that kind of compassion or generosity. and i wish they had been. polly and christopher thank you so much forjoining us. and for talking through the first additions that we've had. the front pages of tomorrow's papers. it's been an absolute pleasure. thank you for joining been an absolute pleasure. thank you forjoining me this evening. that is
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it for the papers. thanks to our guest. that's goodbye for me for now. hello this is your latest sports news. it's the fight that most boxing fans have been dreaming about. tyson furey is said to take on anthonyjoshua in a british ——set heavyweight showdown after promoter eddie hearn said the pair agreed terms for a two fight deals set for next year. both men hold the prestigious heavyweight titles there are still some hurdles to go before they can go toe to toe. adam wilde has more. in boxing they are no strangers to big claims and bold statements. when they call this the biggest fight and british boxing history. they actually might mean it. getting both of britain's heavyweight world champions in the ring together well, that would be something to shout about.
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the biggest fight in british boxing history hasjust been agreed. my boy! literally over the line, to fight deal, tyson furey versus two fight deal, tyson furey versus anthonyjoshua, next year. tyson fu rey currently holds the wbc title after a sensational victory over deante wilde in february. while anthonyjoshua holds ibf the wba anti—wbo belt here. from anthony varese in the back end of last year. the initial excitement is entirely understandable. but fight fans will have to wait before joshua, furey will have to take a while at the third time. while joshua and will fight the bulgarian then there is still plenty to work out. but it seems this british super fight is only a matter of time. the merseyside derby that takes place a week on sunday which could see liverpool when their first premier league title can now
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take place at everson goodison park. the game is one of those considered at risk by police with fears that fans would gather outside the grounds. but the city council are given at the go ahead rather than moving into a neutral venue. ...can also go ahead.
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