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this is bbc news with the latest headlines for viewers in the uk and around the world. i'm geeta guru—murthy. the outcome of a review of the two metre social distancing rule in england will be announced in the coming week, according to the chancellor, rishi sunak. particularly for the hospitality industry they are keen to see some changes. that is why we are reviewing the rule and the outcome will be announced later this week. passengers arriving at uk airports may soon be able to pay for a coronavirus test and avoid fourteen days in quarantine. the white house tries to fire the prosecutor investigating donald trump's associates — but he's refusing to step down. beijing announces the first details of a new draft security law
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for hong kong that will drastically change the city's way of life. climate campaigner greta thunberg says the coronavirus crisis and anti—racism protests show how governments can take dramatic action. it is always the fight forjustice, people are starting to realise we cannot keep looking away from these things. keep sweeping them under the carpet. hello and welcome if you're watching in the uk or around the world — and stay with us for the latest news and analysis from here and across the globe. the uk chancellor, rishi sunak, has said the outcome of a review of the two metre social distancing rule in england will be announced in the coming week — amid strong indications that the rule is likely to be eased as pubs, restau ra nts a nd hotels
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prepare to re—open. the hospitality industry has warned the government that many businesses won't survive if the guidance isn't relaxed. our business correspondent katie prescott has more. bottles newly lined up behind the bar, a sign that this pub in windsor is hoping to set out their chairs and reopen on the 4th ofjuly. but wondering how they'll be allowed to do that is causing a major headache. i think there is obviously a huge amount of uncertainty around the regulations and the guidance, and whether we will be expected to maintain two metre or one metre social distancing. that will be the driver of what how pubs will look. a lot of premises won't be able to afford to open if it remains at two metres. i don't think people will want to continue to socialise in pubs, restaurants, cafes, if it doesn't feel like a fun experience. draft guidance seen by the bbc suggest the new experience could mean using screens or barriers to separate people, managing
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the flow of customers and providing cutlery only when food is served. and that's because scientists say reopening businesses needs to be carefully managed. we are in a situation where we have a virus that is still circulating. we have moved from level four to level three, but it doesn't mean the risk has gone away. so i would say no relaxation measure is 100% safe, but we are in a phase where we can cautiously start to relax measures. this is the dilemma the government is facing, balancing the needs of the economy with managing the pandemic. trying to make sure that pubs like this one can reopen again, but safely, both welcoming customers and protecting them. the british beer and pub association says under the current guidance, the two—metre rule, only a third of england's pubs could reopen. this morning the chancellor said the results of a review into that two metre rule will be announced next week. of course i understand the calls from businesses like pubs and restaurants to renew the rule.
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i know the impact it has on their ability to open and keep their staff employed and serve us all, but of course we need to look at it in the round, which is why scientists are part of that, and i can't pre—empt the findings of the review. pubs and restaurants are waiting with bated breath over the next few days to find out exactly what they'll need to do to open up, and whether they will ever look like this again. katie prescott, bbc news. with me is our political correspondent, helen catt. there has been a lot of pressure from some sectors of the economy to try to push for reopening but also health concerns continue. notjust from industry but also pressure coming from a conservative backbench faction, the former defence minister said earlier this week that cutting the distance to one metre would be a game changer for some industries so
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the pressure has been building with people concerned about the economic impact. boris johnson himself people concerned about the economic impact. borisjohnson himself said he would like to shorten the distance when it is said to do so so it seems to me that is the direction of travel and some big hints that thatis of travel and some big hints that that is where it is going. this is now coming to head because of that ist ofjuly date which was the date borisjohnson set out ist ofjuly date which was the date boris johnson set out for the ist ofjuly date which was the date borisjohnson set out for the third phase of the road map in england where he could see that we of things like pubs. the language around that from government has consistently been the 4th ofjuly at the earliest. so not necessarily that thatis earliest. so not necessarily that that is the date but obviously that is coming up quickly and businesses will want to know if that is going to happen and under what conditions. it has been noticed that the transmission rates are still pretty high and the rate is still slowing gradually? it is coming down and what is interesting is when the
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government has taken previous steps to ease lockdown restrictions, notably thinking about when they started to partially reopen the schools, some of their own advisers we re schools, some of their own advisers were critical and said they believed that the rate of transmission was still too high for them to do that. some of those same advisers, they've come out and said that transmission rates, it is probably 0k at the moment to make this kind of state provided that those transmission rates remain where they are. if it sta rts rates remain where they are. if it starts to go up again then you're in a different story and of course the government have said that if they start to see outbreaks then new restrictions could be imposed again. so there is the ongoing situation and we should not necessarily see everything as a one—way street. we can speak now to professor paul hunter from the university of east anglia's school of medicine. he joins us from cheshire. do you think if there is going to be a reduction to one metre is that is wise now? i think there is nothing
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magical about the one metre or two metres rule. basically the closer we are to someone metres rule. basically the closer we are to someone and metres rule. basically the closer we are to someone and the longer we are in the presence of someone who is infected than the more risk there is. so certainly there are many situations where less than two metres would be perfectly acceptable and the issue is actually more about looking at the whole risk and trying to identify ways that you can allow businesses to go forward. but maintaining safety. not onlyjust keeping the one metre and two metres will of the i fully realise the importance of that in terms of business. but we will not have a review that says it is safe at two metres and not safe at one metre or safer at one metre. and also there's theissue safer at one metre. and also there's the issue about policing that, we all have a national tendency to move closer than we might do if we
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actually thought about it. so there are many issues to be resolved but i suspect that we are getting to a point where we actually can allow certainly in many contexts closer than two metres. what about the different groups that different risks, obviously some ethnic minorities, older people, people with underlying conditions because if you have many busy areas then how can different people policed different risks? absolutely and i think the issue with people particularly who are vulnerable as a separate issue but it is linked to that and if i had a disease that may be particularly vulnerable or i was a few years older than i am now i certainly would be quite nervous about going into environments where i was apt to be within one metre of other people. so i believe that we
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can relax some of the restrictions but it cannot be an all or nothing thing, it has got to be more nuanced and people who are particularly vulnerable or in the context where you are particularly in contact with people for a long time as well might be an issue. what about schools for example, if they talk about bringing all schoolchildren back sure be wearing masks and the highest quality masks? this is a big issue and one that is undergoing a lot of debate at the moment. there are problems with masks and young children particularly preschool children, they do not necessarily cope well with masks. and even primary schoolchildren struggle with masks. i think that schools also have to come up with more thoughtful ways of controlling risks,
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staggering playgroups, keeping classrooms together as much as possible and not letting them overla p. possible and not letting them overlap. that works in primary and junior schools but not necessarily in secondary schools and sixth form colleges and certainly not in universities either. so in those contexts issues around the wearing of masks could be appropriate but i think in very young children it would be difficult to have masks. just a question on the science, what is the latest that is known about transmission through speaking, through breathing, of tiny aerosol particles, whether the virus is in the airand for particles, whether the virus is in the air and for how long? part of the air and for how long? part of the problem is that we now have very good ways of detecting virus with the preliminary chain reaction test
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detecting very small amounts of the genetic code of these viruses in both humans and in the environment. what it does not tell you is whether that virus is still infectious and whether it is still alive. we do know that a higher proportion of rna detected by pcr is probably not infectious and this is why when we talk about how long people remain infectious, people can shed rna for several weeks but probably they are not infectious but the vast majority of that time period. so rna can be detected most of the time in environmental samples but probably it is not infectious. but it depends on so many it is not infectious. but it depends on so many other factors whether it is indoors or outdoors, whether it is indoors or outdoors, whether it isa is indoors or outdoors, whether it is a warm and moist environment or a cold environment. thank you very much. a powerful prosecutor who's investigated several
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of president trump's allies, has defied the administration's attempts to oust him. thejustice department had announced that geoffrey berman — the us attorney for the southern district of new york — was stepping down, but mr berman said he had not resigned, and would only leave if the senate confirmed a successor for him. in the meantime, he said, he would continue his investigations. one of them is into mr trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani. he is also leading the investigation into jeffrey epstein, and earlier this month accused prince andrew of "shutting the door" on his probe. earlier i spoke to frank langfitt, a correspondent for npr radio, to explain what's happened. it has become a classic friday night story in washington where the president makes a dramatic move and people then overnight try to make sense of it. i think certainly his democratic critics feel that the president is trying to put a lot of pressure on the attorney—general, the attorney general putting pressure on the southern district of new york, where these investigations have been going on. but it also is a curious thing because geoffrey berman actually was mr trump's man in that very
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important district in new york, and the other thing is this is just five months away from the election, and president trump may or may not make it. so, it's a pretty bold movejust as he is heading into the campaign. people are trying to make sense of it still overnight. well, under normal circumstances, i think this would be much, much more difficult for geoffrey berman to resist because these folks are appointed by, effectively, the president. but in geoffrey berman's case, he was actually appointed through a sort of legal quirk. he was actually appointed by thejustices in the southern district of manhattan, legaljustices, and so he is arguing that he cannot be forced out until there is a successor. there will be a legal battle over this. i guess more importantly for geoffrey berman is that it's his way of making this a huge story by not simply accepting the resignation that has been requested of him, and getting people to talk about what president trump is doing.
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there has been a lot of concerns, particularly in the southern district of manhattan, that president trump might try to obstruct justice to protect his associates. protestors in washington dc have pulled down and burnt a statue of poet and jurist, albert pike, who served as a confederate general. crowds cheered and chanted "black lives matter", as demonstrators used rope and chains to bring the statue down. police looked on but did not intervene. in a tweet, president trump said the police were not doing theirjob and those responsible should be immediately arrested. president trump is holding a controversial rally in oklahoma later today — one day after marches were held across the us to markjuneteenth a celebration of the end of slavery in the country. david willis in la has also been following these developments. it's a date on the calendar that for most white americans has previously passed without recognition. but this year was different. coming amid widespread protests over
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the death of george floyd, juneteenth has ta ken on a new significance. across the us, there were events to mark the day that slavery here finally came to an end. in tulsa, oklahoma, they marked it too. a leading civil rights leader calling for the protests to go on. greatness is when blacks and whites and latinos and asians and original americans hit the streets all over this country and march against your tear gas, and march against your rubber bullets, and march against a military occupation you threaten, and march anyhow. that is what will make america great. tulsa is also the scene of president trump's controversial re—election rally later today, but it's a controversial choice. in 1921, tulsa was the site of one of the worst outbreaks of racial
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violence when white mobs attacked black businesses and killed around 300 people. it's donald trump's first rally in over three months, and people have been queueing outside the venue since early in the week. i knew this would be a big rally, and i wanted to get a seat. a million tickets have been requested for this. so i wanted to be here early. a night—time curfew in the city imposed amid threats of violence at the rally has now been lifted, and the president tweeted this warning to potential troublemakers. "any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to oklahoma, please understand you will not be treated like you have been in new york, seattle or minneapolis," he said. "it will be a much different scene!" the trump campaign is hoping the rally will shift attention from concerns about racial injustice and police brutality — issues these demonstrators say
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mr trump has so far yet to address. let's discuss this further with kehinde andrews, professor of black studies at birmingham city university. what do you make of this choice of date and location for the rally today? well it is very contentious matter for the trump administration. i suppose it could be ignorance that they picked juneteenth and tulsa is they picked juneteenth and tulsa is the site of some of the most agitated racial violence outside of slavery itself. there is no more symbolic place for this money to be held for a president that has stoked racial divisions so socially. -- are
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so racial divisions so socially. -- are so harshly. and juneteenth is the mark of how much things have changed in recent weeks how much it is celebrated? it is interesting that we re celebrated? it is interesting that were talk about juneteenth, celebrated? it is interesting that were talk aboutjuneteenth, it is not something that normally would come up but it is something that we do celebrate and is an example of the mainstream paying a bit more intention. -- attention. is there any grounds of optimism for ongoing political or societal change or do you think this willjust be a moment that fades away as others before? well has it changed the approach of the trump administration? it is exactly the same or even worse for that we that there are a number of companies who have made token gestures. lloyd's of london here, but these are not the kind of conversation that we need to have so if the mainstream discussion isjust about token symbols then
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u nfortu nately about token symbols then unfortunately it is a step in the wrong direction. and when you look at the trump election campaign and choice of events for today, do you think that there is some political mileage as some might see it in playing a kind of culture war argument? yes, i think the trump administration has been struggling because of its diet response to coronavirus and unfortunately the black lives matter protest has probably reinvigorated his base. this is just the probably reinvigorated his base. this isjust the kind of thing probably reinvigorated his base. this is just the kind of thing that would appeal to his base and a reminder that racism is not over, there are deep—seated problems of racism in america and really divided public debate which is still very much there. so i think this will play well to his crowd and we election attempt. and what about the same point here? i think we've seen a similarity here as well, we have quite a right—wing populist
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government on both sides of the atla ntic government on both sides of the atlantic and also terrible responses to coronavirus if you listen to the language of boris johnson to coronavirus if you listen to the language of borisjohnson about the statues and is the word thuggery to talk about black protesters, again this is not by accident but clearly by design and just as in america it appeals to the base of both parties. thank you very much. in scotland, hundreds of people have been staging an anti—racism rally in glasgow city centre, despite appeals to stay away due to the lockdown restrictions. meanwhile, 2a people have been charged following demonstrations and protests held across london in the past month. chi chi izundu is in hyde park, where planned demonstation are taking place. just tell us what is going on there? a couple of hundred people have gathered here now for the fourth weekend in a row to protest against antiracism in hyde park in london.
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the plan is for them to march from the park towards westminster and end at around six o'clock this evening. this is not the only protest occurring in london, there is another one that started in voxel in voxel in central london and marched across the bridge to westminster and again they purport that this is a peaceful march and they ask everyone to dress in black tie to emphasise how peaceful their march is and both march is planned to congregate and come together at trafalgar square. they say they will end with a number of speeches and a lot of music. this is now the fourth weekend that people have come out in defiance against the government who have advised them not to because were still in a pandemic and there are still in a pandemic and there are still some lockdown rules in process. and what are people saying about why they are still coming out despite the risks of a mass
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gathering? people are still saying that there is a lot of racism in the united kingdom. we spoke at a number of people who are talking about the windrush candle because yesterday was the fourth month since the government released its report on the windrush candle and its 26 recommendations that have not been implemented. and monday is the anniversary impact of when the windrush doctor in the uk and people say that that just shows that the government is not serious about solving or attempting to solve racism in the united kingdom. they also talk about again and again how they feel the police conduct themselves when it comes to people of colour, stop and search is still a very big issue and they talk about coronavirus and how it has been largely affecting bame community is worse than the white communities and again what the government is doing about that. they say they want recognition for a lot of the work and effort they put into this country and they‘ re and effort they put into this country and they're not getting it and that is the problem. thanks very
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much. beijing has announced the first details of a new draft security law for hong kong that would drastically change the city's way of life. the draft law includes plans to create a new national security office in hong kong which would collect intelligence. the office will also handle crimes against national security, which would include pro—democracy protests, that beijing views as subversion. china says the new security law will tackle any separatist activity, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces. international organisations and hong kong activists have said this law will crush hong kong's freedoms. brazil has become the second country in the world — after america — to confirm more than one million cases of covid—i9. almost 19,000 people have died with coronavirus in the country, and its health ministry also posted a record number of new cases in the past 2a hours. brazil's poorest communities have been particularly badly hit. zimbabwe's health minister, obadiah moyo, has been freed on bail
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after being charged with corruption in connection to the procurement of materials to fight coronavirus. he has been ordered to surrender his passport and is due back in court at the end ofjuly. mr moyo was arrested on friday after the zimbabwean government came under pressure from the opposition and on social media over the supply of tests and protective equipment. the 20 million—dollar contract was awarded to a new company, apparently without going through the usual channels. over the last year, 17—year—old greta thunberg, has become one the most famous climate campaigners in the world, but for the last three months she's been in lockdown at home in stockholm. she believes there are important lessons to be learnt from the coronavirus pandemic, and the black lives matter protests, that could help in the fight to tackle climate change. she's been speaking to our chief environment correspondent, justin rowlatt in her first major interview since the coronavirus pandemic struck. this isn't the greta thunberg the world normally sees. a teenager doing a jigsaw in
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the quiet of her locked down flat. greta says she hopes coronavirus will change the way the world approaches the climate challenge. it shows that during a crisis, you act, and you act with necessary force. it feels like the corona crisis has sort of changed the role of science in our societies. we're suddenly starting to understand that, oh, yeah, we have to actually listen to the experts, that is actually something that we depend on. she has been following the black lives matter movement and sees an important link between inaction on climate and inaction on other issues, including racism. it's always the fight for justice, and it feels like we have paused —— passed some kind of social tipping point where people are starting to realise that we cannot keep looking away from these things, we cannot keep sweeping these things
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under the carpet, these injustices. the growing appetite for protests she says she's seeing around the world gives hope for the future. we can see an awakening of the last couple of years where people are starting to find their own voice, to sort of understand that they can actually have an impact. in a few weeks' time, she will be back at school. but the teenager says she will not stop campaigning on climate. i will definitely continue to be an activist. the need for that is not going to reduce, if you say so, unfortunately. so don't expect greta thunberg to fade into the background. you watching bbc news. more now on the news that ministers say a review into the two—metre social distancing rule in england will report "within the coming days". so what impact will it have
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on the hospitality industry? our correspondent stuart flinders is in york. where are you? i'm mean the swan inn, an historic grade two listed building. this still call this the smoking room, but not much smoking oi’ smoking room, but not much smoking or going they have not a h in here since march poured a point in here since march the 17th. let's go into the public bar, paul crossman is the licensee here and he has three pubs in york and he is chairman of the new campaignfor pubs, and he is chairman of the new campaign for pubs, a national organisation. this is a cosy pub which normally would be an advantage but i guess that currently it is a big disadvantage? absolutely, it is normally our strength to be a small pub with cosy rooms and a lot of character. but these things are now working against us. we can have up
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to 60, 80 people in the pub. that would not be unusual. we have five ta bles would not be unusual. we have five tables in this small room. but if you have got to socially distance, and these tables are maybe two metres apart, you would have to sit in opposite corners. i think that the way that the seating is arranged you could not be in the middle of the room so maybe five around the outside if they were all single people. so one metre is crucial? i think it is to most pubs but especially for us. we could not operate with two metres. you have a hatch where people could go to get served, but if you have two people wanting to be served at once you have a problem. we're still waiting for guidance, we do not know how it is to work. what you need from government and how soon? we need it yesterday, to be honest, we need certainty on dates because there are mounting costs with the rent backlog and all the rest of it. people are
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desperate to open and really on the edge of financial oblivion now. so a date would be good, concrete guidance, something really helpful telling us what is expected and what we are liable for and what our responsibilities will be. we really still have no idea whether we need physical infrastructure around the building. that is difficult for us because great to listed. it has been suggested you should maybe encourage customers to order points on an act? there are lots of apps being offered at the moment, we're not sure if we need that or not. where small enough that potentially we could hear people from the buyer which is just there. we just people from the buyer which is just there. wejust do not people from the buyer which is just there. we just do not know what will be required and this has made it to plan. you speak for pubs around york, that is the picture generally? all across the country the mood is increasingly bleak because people
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have no idea what they're meant to be doing and when. that also includes ordering beer which could ta ke includes ordering beer which could take several weeks to produce in a brewery. thank you very much for joining us. lots of questions still need answering at pubs such as like this all over the country. just let know that we have had the latest figures on the number of infections confirmed cases and sadly across the uk there are 128 new deaths today bringing the total up to 42,589. so 128 new deaths announced, confirmed today on coronavirus. so that again ta kes today on coronavirus. so that again takes the total up to 42,589. now it's time for a look at the weather with helen. hello again. we've had fewer showers today,
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