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hi, good morning, welcome to bbc news, i'm victoria derbyshire. here are the headlines this wednesday morning... as england gets ready for a big easing of lockdown, health leaders warn urgent action is needed to ensure the uk is prepared for a potential second wave of coronavirus. the government publishes its guidance on how businesses in england can operate safely when they reopen in ten days‘ time. the last thing anybody wants is for a second peak. is for a business to be shut down because it's not observing the guidelines and the rules. we'll be getting reaction to the lifting of the lockdown in england here on bbc one and the bbc news channel. so, if you run a buiness,
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how are you preparing? do let me know at victoria@bbc.co.uk. orare you one or are you one of those who cannot open yet? do let me know. northern ireland and wales look at their options to ease the lockdown. we'll also hear from scotland's nicola sturgeon later today. the top infectious disease expert in the us warns some parts of the country are seeing a "disturbing surge" in covid—19 cases. internet use has surged during lockdown, with adults in the uk spending a record quarter of their day online. honouring russia's heroes — after a delay forced by the coronavirus pandemic, moscow holds its victory parade, marking the defeat of nazi germany. these are live pictures from moscow.
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good morning. health leaders are calling for an urgent review to determine whether the uk is properly prepared for the "real risk" of a second wave of coronavirus. in an open letter signed by the royal colleges of surgeons, nursing, physicians, and gps, ministers have been warned that urgent action is needed to prevent further loss of life. yesterday, the prime minister said pubs, restaurants, cinemas and hairdressers in england will be able to reopen from july 4. the department for business has published guidance this morning for businesses to open in a safe way. elsewhere in the united states, the top infectious disease expert has said that there's a "disturbing surge" in coronavirus infections in some parts of the country. and in latin america, the number of deaths has risen above on hundred thousand. above one hundred thousand. more on the global situation shortly, but first this report from jon mcmanus.
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the warning is stark — according to the health leaders, britain is at real risk of a second wave of coronavirus and needs to undertake a rapid assessment in order to prevent further loss of life. in their letter to the british medicaljournal, they say that some of the infrastructure needed to contain a resurgence of covid—i9 is in place, but challenges remain and they call for a cross—party commission to start providing recommendations for all of the uk by august at the latest. it is essential, they say, in order for the country to get ahead of the curve. we must immediately learn the lessons as to how we dealt with the first wave of the pandemic so that the nhs can be at its absolute best if we get a second way. we must learn where we went wrong with procurement, for instance, that is ppe.
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the letter comes a day after the westminster government announced sweeping changes to the virus restrictions in england. pubs and restaurants are set to reopen but social distancing will be observed and staff will take customers contact details in case they need to be traced to prevent a virus outbreak. other venues opening on the 4th ofjuly include museums and cinemas, and for the first time in months, couples will be able to tie the knot again, but only with 30 guests. these precautions could include installing screens, making sure people face away from each other, providing hand washing facilities, minimising the amount of time you spend with people outside your household and, of course, being outdoors. at that final downing street briefing, the prime minister also warned that the relaxations could be reversed. the chief medical officer for england, professor chris whitty, said there would be an uptake
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in the virus if the public returned to their normal routines. and there is frustration among some businesses that were not included in the july fourth reopening, like gyms. leisure bosses say their facilities are vital to maintain immune systems and ward off the virus. restrictions are still varied across the uk. in scotland, the two—metre rule remains in place for now, but the government in edinburgh said it was very interested to see the scientific evidence that had prompted london to ease restrictions in england. the first minister nicola sturgeon will provide more details about easing lockdown restrictions later today. while in northern ireland, as of yesterday, up to six people can now meet indoors. shops and places of worship opened earlier this week in wales but the 5—mile restriction on travel remains in place. john mcmanus, bbc news. the government has published detailed guidance on how pubs, restaurants, hotels and other businesses in england can operate safely when they come out of lockdown in ten days' time. our assistant political editor
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norman smith is at westminster. there is plenty of it, i have been trying to get through it. some of it is obvious, calculating the maximum amount of clients you can have on your premises. but other ones like unduly raising your voices, aerosol transmission... yes, a lot of it is pretty straightforward, some of it strikes me as being quite detailed. as you have said, do not raise your voice, do not put your elbows on cou nters voice, do not put your elbows on counters will stop keep your children under control. do not expect the table to be laid before the food is broch. —— braut. restau ra nts the food is broch. —— braut. restaurants and bars will be encouraged to put bike racks outside so encouraged to put bike racks outside so people can get to them without having to rely on public transport.
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dance floors will be cleared and ta bles dance floors will be cleared and tables and chairs put on them. live acts, comedy, singing, everything like that. that is scrapped, too. so, there is an awful lot for businesses to get around, but that is just the restaurant and bar sector, that is replicated through hotels and everywhere else. so, there is an awful lot for businesses to get their heads around, and others, too, because, you know, going for a night out will frankly bea going for a night out will frankly be a very different experience. it'll be quieter, more organised with your people, and it will be less spontaneous. we will have to bookin less spontaneous. we will have to book in advance and we will have to keep our voice down, because, i mean, the fear is, and it is one of the reasons why theatres have not been able to reopen, is that when people are proclaiming, they tend to project little particles potentially of coronavirus, which spreads the infection, which is why the hope is
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in restaurants and bars that we will all turn it down a bit, become a little bit more quieter and restrained and not be blasting away into people's faces and risk spreading the disease. we have heard from adult sharma the business secretary, who was doing the rounds this morning. what has he said that it might be, our own concerns that it might be, our own concerns that it might be too much too soon?|j think it might be too much too soon?” think the government think that however detailed and complex this is for business, that businesses will go along with it because they want to open. and if they do not, the danger is that they will simply be forced to shut. and that was what was suggested in his message this morning... if there are occasions where things are not going according to plan, and particularly, employers and workplaces are not keeping their workers safe, there is an opportunity for people to talk to the local authority inspectors, to talk to the health
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and safety executives, and they are able to respond. but what i can tell you from the conversations that i have with businesses on a daily basis is that they want to make sure that their workplaces are safe, they are welcoming, and they want their business to grow. the last thing anybody wants is for a second peak. is for a business to be shut down because it is not observing the guidelines and rules. and the only way that we will continue to be able to open the economy in a safe and cautious manner is by people continuing to observe the rules and guidelines. of course, those businesses, in a way, victoria, are the lucky ones, because a sizeable chunk of businesses will not be able to reopen. mostly those involved in physical exercise and activities, so dance studios, yoga studios, gyms, that sort of thing. they have not got the go—ahead. also large sections, if you like, of the beauty industry, spas, nail bars, beauty
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salons have not got the go—ahead. that is a sizeable chunk of people who have been left in limbo because they have not been given any clarity. boris johnson they have not been given any clarity. borisjohnson said they would try to work out how these places could reopen, but at the moment, they have been given no timeline. so, for them, still very anxious yes, thank you very much, norman. if you run a business and you have downloaded the guidance and had a read through already this morning. tell us what you make of it. how helpful is it? is it specific enough? does it reassure you if you are planning on the opening up your business in ten days' time? orare opening up your business in ten days' time? or are you one of those who does not yet have a date on reopening? a message on twitter... we cannot reopen, we are a private personal training studio with plenty of open space with no machines or equipment but we cannot have one client. our facility is above a bar, with less floor space when you take account of the bar and tables, and they can open fully. nonsense. if
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you are getting in touch, you are very welcome. nicola sturgeon is expected to give an update later today on when parts of the scottish economy will be able to open up. the first minister will brief msps on when more lockdown restrictions will be relaxed. our scotland correspondent lorna gordon is in glasgow. what are people expecting? it is interesting that norman talks about a timeline for businesses in england. it is even more vague here in scotland, where certain parts of this scottish economy and when this economy will be able to open up. the first minister will talk about a careful and cautious approach to opening up restrictions here in scotland. she has said that the changes seen in england will not apply here at this stage. she also said interestingly that she did not envisage scots travelling south of the border to go on holiday, for
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instance, while the five mile advisory against any travel for leisure remains in place here in scotland. but, yes, she is expected to brief msps at holyrood just after 12 o'clock, around 12:20pm today on further measures and dates for those further measures and dates for those further measures and dates for those further measures to be eased. so, people will be looking to looking to see, for instance, if beer gardens or outdoor spaces and cafes might be given a date to reopen. that was expected in the second phase of easing restrictions and it did not happen last week. they might also be looking at areas like cinemas, museums and galleries. will they be given dates to reopen? one area where there will be no change is on that two metre social distancing advice and rule. nicola sturgeon has said that she wants to see further scientific advice, and a decision on thatis scientific advice, and a decision on that is expected around the 2nd of july. thank you very much for that.
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we will be answering your questions on the easing of restrictions in england later today on the bbc news channel. tell us what you want to know. e—mail using the address... or you can use the hashtag... that is at 2:30pm this afternoon. also more at half nine — do you identify as bame or know anyone who does? what do you think of it? some say it's time to drop the acronym — be very interested to hear what you think. the leading infectious disease expert in the united states, anthony fauci, has warned of a ‘disturbing surge' in the number of covid 19 cases in parts of the country. he said the next two weeks would be critical to stop more infections in states such as florida, texas and arizona. freya cole reports.
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in miami, residents go about their daily business, but under a new rule. face masks in public are now mandatory after a surge of coronavirus cases in their home state. to be honest, it's very uncomfortable, but it's just to be precautionary. i do agree with it. unfortunately, some people haven't taken the precautions that we have. florida is one of the southern states which is experiencing new outbreaks of covid—i9. cases are also increasing in the west. speaking at a rally in arizona, president trump dismissed fears of a second wave, using racist language to describe the virus, which is putting local health services under strain. wuhan... wuhan was catching on. coronavirus, right? shouting. kong flu, yeah. cheering.
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president trump has suggested he will slow down testing. but america's top infectious disease expert has denied any order was ever made. i know for sure, it's in my knowledge none of us have ever been told to slow down the testing. that just is a fact. in fact, we will be doing more testing. more than 2 million americans have now been infected with coronavirus and at least 120,000 people have died. it is more than any other nation in the world. freya cole, bbc news. lancashire police have concluded that no criminal offences were committed by the fans who paid for a plane to fly over manchester city's etihad stadium towing a banner saying: "white lives matter burnley" on monday night.
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burnley players condemned the stunt, saying it left them feeling ashamed and embarrassed. blackpool airport says it has now suspended banner—towing flights. the government has been giving details of plans to spend more than £100 million to help homeless people in england stay off the streets. a scheme to provide emergency accommodation to thousands of rough sleepers during the pandemic was due to end in ten days. but homeless charities and councils have urged ministers to pay for it to continue. our social affairs correspondent, michael buchanan, reports... over one weekend in march thousands of rough sleepers were taken off the streets to protect them from coronavirus, most have been housed in hotels, which were closed to tourists because of the pandemic. not only do the roughsleepers get shelter but also access to health care and, where necessary, addiction support. this put me in a healthier situation. you've got food, water. on the street, you have not got it, you have to go look for it so it is has made a big difference. the initiative has been widely
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praised for saving lives but it was due to end early next month, with charities warning that thousands of people would be tipped back onto the streets. ministers have now found £105 million to allow councils to continue to house the homeless, to the delight of campaigners. over the last three months, something incredible has happened where 15,000 people have had their homelessness ended, they've gone from the streets and night shelters into accommodation of their own in hotels and other forms of housing and that has shown us that really homelessness can be ended. there's no reason why we can't see all of those people go into a home of their own and actually start to begin to see this as the beginning of the end of homelessness completely. with many a tail sector reopened, student accommodation and private sector flats are expected to be used to ensure the homeless continue to receive the support the pandemic facilitated. michael buchanan, bbc news. ten days to go till you can once again go to the pub, eat out,
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stay in a hotel or have your haircut — in england that is. but not all businesses can open, gyms, beauty salons, nail bars are among those that have to remain closed. let's talk to carol rennie who owns the alhambra, an independent cinema in keswick in cumbria which is allowed to reopen next month and kirsten white is the founder of london grace, which has ten nail bars — all of which must remain closed. and, i'm alsojoined by professor gabriel scally, president of epidemiology & public health for the royal society of medicine, and a member of sage, the scientific advisory group for emergencies which advises the government. thank you for talking to us. kerstin, why do you think nail bars cannot yet open? i can't understand it. iam really cannot yet open? i can't understand it. i am really excited that other operators are being allowed to open on the 11th ofjuly, including hairdressers, but we often operate ina very hairdressers, but we often operate in a very similar manner. we have had very strict practices before
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covid. i was hoping it would be better news that we could open on the 4th better news that we could open on the 11th ofjuly. better news that we could open on the 4th ofjuly. -- kirsten. the guidance that has been published this morning includes guidance not for hairdressers, barbershops and the like, but for beauty and nail bars. for make up salons, tattooed and spray tanning studios. even those those sectors are not reopening yet. so, the guidance is available, and i suspect you have already put some measures in place, haven't you, kirsten? yes, we have over 100 team members and we cannot just click abra fingers and get ready to open the night before. so we have been preparing to open on the 4th we have been preparing to open on the 11th ofjuly with all of the guidance that is available to us. we have perspex screens, ppe, hand sanitiser. we have everything included in a five page risk assessment that we have gone through meticulously. so it is deeply disappointing that nail bars have not been included alongside hairdressers. hairdressers and
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barbers are being asked to wear visors, is that something you would expect you and your staff to have to do? we think we have gone one step further, we have masks for our team members, but we also have large, thick, perspex screens with a hole down below that you can put your hand through to have a manager. so, it isa hand through to have a manager. so, it is a physical barrier to prevent the spread of anything.” it is a physical barrier to prevent the spread of anything. i wonder if any part of you thinks that perhaps nail bars have been overlooked because men don't usually get their nails done and at the top of government there are a lot of men. u nfortu nately, government there are a lot of men. unfortunately, i send this over the last five years since running the company, it does tend to be an industry that is forgotten, nail bars, but when you look at the figures, £27.2 billion was raised by the beauty sector last year. so it really is an industry that needs to be thought about. there are thousands of people across the uk that will be wanting to reopen on
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the 4th that will be wanting to reopen on the 11th ofjuly to do manicures and pedicures and will not be able to. tracy is a beauty therapist and has contacted me on twitter. i have been self—employed for 12 months and cannot name a single penny. i have invested in every bit of ppe to make sure my clients are safe and can still not reopen. alison has a waxing business with any hair salon and has no idea if she is able to start work on the 11th ofjuly. let others bring in carol. good morning to you. your independent cinema can open and you look very happy about that. but i wonder what percentage of customers you will be able to have inside, taking into account social distancing. absence makes the heart grow fonder and we are looking forward to a resurgence in interest, even from new audiences. we will probably be looking, when we reopen, to reopen with 25% capacity to make it safe and ensure that everybody is as farapart it safe and ensure that everybody is as far apart from each other. we are
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lucky, we have a large, traditional picture house venue with a balcony and stores and lots of space, including fire exits, meaning that we can hear the place out between screenings. but, yes, obviously it means that we willjust be ticking along, we will never be able to pack the place and get the big audiences that we wish for. peter rabbit and james bond were going to be operating at the lowest average. we will be taking over i guess for at least one year and we see reopening more as a community service than something that will make us profit at the very beginning. and i had to add, we have decided to wait until nearer the end of the july to open because a lot of our audience here in keswick, in the heart of the lake district, does tend to be on the older side. so they are more vulnerable. and we just want to be sure that opening up will not cause a big spike, and we don't want to be
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the place where people might catch anything. so we will wait until nearer the end of july anything. so we will wait until nearer the end ofjuly when track and trace will be in place and we will be able to observe what has gone on around the rest of the country. when you say when track and trace is in place, because the tracers, there are 20 27,000 of them in place, the app is not ready yet. do you mean establishments, when they have to take track of customer details? yes, but we do not know what that involves yet. we have been hearing that pubs will have to collect names. but i would expect the system will be more advanced in six weeks' time and that will probably include that app which will be able for us to contact those people. i am be able for us to contact those people. lam not be able for us to contact those people. i am not really aware of how advance that system is at the moment or how well bedded editors. and we just think to give it more time and we will feel sure that we are
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operating any really safe environment for our customers.” operating any really safe environment for our customers. i am not sure the app will even be ready by the end ofjuly. ministers suggested it could not be ready yet until the autumn perhaps. gabriel... cani until the autumn perhaps. gabriel... can ijust until the autumn perhaps. gabriel... can i just confirm, until the autumn perhaps. gabriel... can ijust confirm, professor scally, you are part of sage, the scientific advisory to and emergencies, is that correct?” scientific advisory to and emergencies, is that correct? i am a memberof the emergencies, is that correct? i am a member of the independent sage that was set up by sir david king, the former chief scientist and we provide an independent and open view about the science surrounding covid—19. about the science surrounding covid-19. so, that is alternative sage, because it sage people would describe themselves as independent of government. thank you for speaking to us. we appreciate it. professor chris whitty standing alongside borisjohnson yesterday made it clear that scientist decide and politicians decide, and that this is a balance of risk. do you think it is the right time?”
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this is a balance of risk. do you think it is the right time? i think the decision is a poor one on a numberof the decision is a poor one on a number of grounds. firstly, i think it is very complex, and the rules about distancing, the two metres, one metre plus, and all of the intricacies of the guidance, i think it is very complicated and i know one thing as a public health worker and that is that when you are dealing with infectious disease outbreaks, keeping it simple is everything. it really needs to be comprehensible to everyone. so, i think that is problematic. but more than that, it is the level of infection, i think, than that, it is the level of infection, ithink, is than that, it is the level of infection, i think, is still far too high. the mrc biostatistics unit in cambridge two days ago suggested that their estimate was 4300 new cases each day in england. the government chief statistician on sunday said he thought it was 3000. whatever the correct position, it is
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thousands and thousands of new cases every day in england, of which only a very small proportion are being found, and even a smaller proportion of their contacts traced. i do not think it is anywhere near safe enough to move a lot of those restrictions. those cases are coming down, the number of infections and people dying from covid—19 is coming down. the number of admissions to hospital is coming down, the r number remains below one. how much longer would you keep lockdown in place? well, i would keep it in place? well, i would keep it in place until the numbers of new infections were down into three figures and continuing to decline. but importantly, i would keep it in place until the local case finding, testing and tracing arrangements we re testing and tracing arrangements were in place. as you said earlier, even were in place. as you said earlier, even the heads of those running the nhs test and trace have admitted it
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will not be up and running fully until the autumn, and that is really not good enough. because we need that local system and a very intensive system there at all times to know where the cases are, to be able to stamp out the virus locally and give people confidence. and it is not the same everywhere. if you look at scotland, scotland is a way, way lower, and i think they are any very good position, as are northern ireland and republic of ireland. but in england, the numbers are still very high. but don't you have to weigh up the trade—offs, which is perhaps what the government is doing? having taken on board the advice of sage, looking at the trade—off of people losing their jobs, not going to hospital to have cancer checks. children still being out of school. you have to weigh that up and balance it against the risk of catching covid—19? that up and balance it against the risk of catching covid-19? of course, and there is a balance to be drawn here. and let me assure you, i
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would really like everybody to get back to work and children getting back to work and children getting back to work and children getting back to school. but you can't have everything all at once with this virus. but we would be in such a better position in england if we hadn't abandoned tracing on the 12th of march, if we had put the resources into that. if we had banned mass gatherings, and if we had gone into lockdownjust a couple of weeks earlier, a couple of weeks earlier would have saved us months at this end. and i was very surprised and very disappointed to hear the chief medical officer yesterday talking about keeping the current situation, that he would be delighted if we could keep the current situation through the winter and into the spring. there are still thousands of new cases and substantial numbers of deaths every day, and i do not think that is acceptable. he did not say he would be delighted, he said it might go on until spring through the winter. he said he would be delighted if it stayed at the current level. i
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understand what he is worried about, he is worried about the second wave and really serious outbreaks, and i share those concerns of his. the department of health spokesperson has said we have been taking a phased, cautious approach to reopening the economy so we do not miss the second peak of the advisors. this is stage three of the road map and further work will be done to help sectors not be opening on the 2nd ofjuly. if there are widespread breaches of the rules leading to the virus is threatening to run out of control these easements will be the first to be reversed. does the prospect of localised lockdown is not reassured you at all, professor? i think it must be very helpful and it will have to be that way, but i would be more reassured if we would detect the cases earlier in localities, and we would have a very good locally based system, which should really be based system, which should really be based on the local nhs and local authorities. i am based on the local nhs and local authorities. lam not based on the local nhs and local authorities. i am not convinced by the national contact tracing systems that have been set in place with the private sector, and, of course, the
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app private sector, and, of course, the app has not appeared and it was meant to be such an important part of the whole system. so, i really think it must go local and those sort of local restrictions will certainly help when the inevitable flare ups happen. and that is the way that we keep to just a small numberof flare—ups way that we keep to just a small number of flare—ups rather than letting them develop into a second way. 0k. kirsten, founder of ten nail bars, what would your message to the government to be today?” think we are looking for consistency. you know, i understand ita consistency. you know, i understand it a safety first and we must make sure that we are doing the right thing. but, for us, wejust want to be included with hairdressers so that we can, you know, open safely and try and survive as a business, to be honest. it has been a tough couple of months. we are having to chat to landlords, and i have a fantastic team behind me that i want to support and bring out of furlough. but it is very difficult.
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thank you all for talking to me. good luck with the reopening of that cinema, carol. and thank you to you kirsten and professor. the visiting professor of public health at bristol university and a member of the alternative sage group. it is 9:30pm... we will be talking about bame ina 9:30pm... we will be talking about bame in a few minutes' time. is that a helpful acronym or does it get in the way? is it time it was dropped? send me a message on twitter or e—mail me. now it's time for a look at the weather with helen willetts. hello, there. heat and humidity will continue to rise today. the exception to the rule is where we still have a weather front which has been giving rain through the morning for parts of northern ireland, northern and western scotland. that will tend to peter out as showers this afternoon and then the outside chance of an isolated storm elsewhere, but very few and far between. largely dry and hot. temperatures higher than those yesterday,
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even with the freshening sea breeze, some strong sunshine. into the very high category today, we don't get that very often. as we go through thursday, a very similar story. a greater risk that we will develop some thundery downpours, particularly in the north and west, but with it, the heat is spreading into parts of northern ireland and further north into scotland as well, into the mid to high 20s here. potentially 33 in the south and the east, probably the hottest day on thursday, before the heat starts to break down to thunderstorms with a fresher, windier weekend on offer.
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hello, this is bbc news with victoria derbyshire. the headlines. as england gets ready for a big easing of lockdown, health leaders warn urgent action is needed to ensure the uk is prepared for a potential second wave of coronavirus. the government publishes its guidance on how businesses in england can operate safely when they reopen in ten days' time. northern ireland and wales look at their options to ease the lockdown. we'll also hear from scotland's nicola strugeon later today. the top infectious disease expert in the us warns some parts of the country are seeing a "disturbing surge" in covid—19 cases. internet use has surged during lockdown, with adults in the uk spending a record quarter
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of their day online. honouring russia's heroes — after a delay forced by the coronavirus pandemic, moscow holds its victory parade marking the defeat of nazi germany. sport and for a full round—up from the bbc sport centre, here's sally nugent. good morning. novak djokovic has apologised, saying he is "deepy sorry" after testing positive for coronavirus at a tournament that he'd organised himself. four other players had already tested positive for covid—19 after playing at the adria tour competition in serbia and croatia. there has been criticism of the way it had been run. there had been games of basketball, and the world number one was seen dancing at a party. no social distancing laws or guidelines were broken, but djokovic admitted it was simply
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too soon to play jamie murray's organised his own tournament that's being played in london at the moment. i spoke to him a little earlier, and he told me that the postive i guess it was not totally out of the blue because already quite a few of the players involved had tested positive and obviously, you know, i think they were playing in front of 2000-4000 think they were playing in front of 2000—4000 people and there was obviously all the photos and images that came out of them being in nightclubs, playing soccer matches, basketball, you know, kind of being in proper close contact with one another and i guess, yet, the optics did not look good when the rest of the world is, you know, in various stages of lockdown and a lot of people have obviously been hurting
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from the virus, a lot of people have lost lives. obviously, for tennis as a sport, it doesn't look good, i don't think. and it shows up the difficulties in organising a tournament at this time. talk me through the hoops you have been through to make sure that on which you are organising at the moment, the battle of the brits, is com pletely moment, the battle of the brits, is completely safe because i know you are playing it in completely different circumstances. well, i know for a fact there's not enough time on the show to go through everything! but look, it is a com pletely everything! but look, it is a completely different situation. you know, we're not playing in of any fans. the sort of playing side of things are completely separated off from the production side of things. i think we have about 70 people on site within the venue each day. the
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players had to go through mandatory testing before the events. you know, the centre has its one—way systems in place that everyone has to adhere to. there is obviously other guidelines and protocols that we are following to ensure the safest environment we possibly can for eve ryo ne environment we possibly can for everyone connected to the event. jamie murray's organised his own tournament. the battle of the brits, being played in london at the moment, and it's where brother andy made his latest comeback. he beat liam broady at the national tennis centre in roehampton. it was his first competitive tennis in seven months after treatment for a pelvic injury. he plays kyle emund later today. liverpool will have one hand on the premier league trophy tonight if they beat crystal palace. that's one of five games being played later. last night, west ham edged ever closer to the relegation zone after being beaten 2—0 by tottenham.
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harry kane got himself a goalfor spurs, his first since returning from a lengthy spell out with injury. west ham are now only out of the bottom three on goal difference. last night's other game was a goalless draw between brighton and leicester he's had a calamitous premier league re—start, but david luiz has been given a new one—year deal at arsenal. the defender gave away a goal, conceded a penalty and was sent off in arsenal's first game back against manchester city. but his initial one—year deal has been extended. there are also new deals for cedric soares, pablo mari and dani ceballos. the fbi says that a "noose", which was found in the garage of nascar's only full—time black driver, was actually a garage door handle and it had been there since last year. an investigation started after it was found in the garage of bubba wallace at a race meeting in alabama. the fbi says "no federal crime was committed",
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and nascar says it's "thankful to learn that it wasn't an intentional, racist act". graeme mcdowell has pulled out of a golf tournament in the us after his caddie tested positive for coronavirus. he was supposed to be playing at the travelers championship in connecticut, but says he's going to have a test and then take a private flight home to florida. mcdowell says he wants to protect the other players and his own physical and mental well—being. these are the challenges we are seeing is a sport slowly returns. back to you. thank you for your messages on whether you identify as bame, which stands for black and asian and minority ethnic. " itjust lumps us all together rather than saying what we are, it's great you're having this debate". "i don't so much
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identify with it as full within it, it isa identify with it as full within it, it is a category and given most diversity programmes use bame, it opened some doors but it is less helpful than people of colour to reflect global white racism". sanjay says, "i hate it, the acronym seems to have come from nowhere during the pandemic and i feel it pigeonholes me and puts me in a box, i am british indian and should be called that, i'm notan british indian and should be called that, i'm not an acronym. news shows, they should not use acronyms to compartmentalise people, it is offensive". jp says, "i can't stand it, refer to me as a person of colour or black british". it is up and used by the media, officials and politicians but does anyone who is supposed to be included in those groups actually refer to themselves as bame? do you identify as bame? we have been finding out. i try not to identify myself as bame, instead british indian, because that is what i am. i rfer to myself as black
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or black british. kurdish or british. i'm british ghanaian. romany gypsy heritage. i'm not a big fan of the term bame. to me, itjust seems to kind of cement this idea of white and other. i find it's sometimes more problematic than it is beneficial. it is used as a catchall for people who aren't actually black, asian, or from a minority ethnicity. i think what it does is it disguises the discrimination and disparities between the different ethnic groups. for example, with the recent events in america and even police brutality in the uk, these are not experiences that affect every member of the bame community. i think it's a bit more useful to start calling certain experiences, for example, anti—blackness as a specific type of racism. it has to be broken up because when the question is black, the answer cannot be bame. it is too easy for corporations and for educational facilities to be able to just use the title bame. it allows them to not have to invest too much in those different minorities. an example of that would be
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even in my experience, the number of all—asian founding teams that receive money is extremely higher than the number of all— black founding teams. so when leaders or politicians are asked about, are there black people within the cabinet or within their teams, they can't reply and say, yes, there are bame people or there are asian people, because the experiences and lives of black and asian people are very different. with me is nina kelly who is the editor at the runnymede trust, which is a race equality think tank. also i'm joined by nneka onovo, a second—year student of history and politics at oxford university. have i got your surname correct, nina? kelly. great, do you know anyone who identifies as bame?” mean, no, not personally, i mean, if i think about how i identify myself,
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iam mixed—race, proud i think about how i identify myself, i am mixed—race, proud grandchild of the windrush generation which i know you have talked about a lot this week, probably before any of that, i would more specifically say i'm a south londoner. the way people identify individually is very personal and very distinctive and should remain that way. i think where bame, as we use it at runnymede, becomes useful, although imperfect, is when we think about evidence of data collection. at runnymede, we are a research institution that collect evidence to show the racial inequalities that we know our society is riddled with, as we have seen with the covert 19 crisis in particular. in order to be able to make these categories and arguments, as i think one of your viewer said, it is more a category and a bit of a catch all as opposed to an identity that individuals will identify with. i suppose the important thing to say is it is not
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the same as saying black. so if you are talking about a particular racial group, then mention that racial group, then mention that racial group. i think it is being used a bit too liberally sometimes, instead of being specific. do you know anyone who identifies as bame? personally, i don't. know anyone who identifies as bame? personally, idon't. even know anyone who identifies as bame? personally, i don't. even speaking to my own friends, they were not familiar with the term until they got to university and then were, like, they felt pigeonholed into this bame category. they personally identify as british ghanaian, british nigerian, british caribbean, so british nigerian, british caribbean, so yeah, i don't actually know anyone who identifies as bame. i would agree with the other speaker in terms of it being useful for research but i think what has happened is that organisations have used bame to group together what are
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very distinctive and important groups of ethnic minorities, to inflate figures and show they are diverse when they are still suffering from a lack of diversity, which i have seen at my own university. yes, well, i've got a message from avion exactly that, "it isa message from avion exactly that, "it is a phrase used so employers and organisations can tick a box. employers could still be anti—black in their recruitment policies but hide behind saying they have bame staff because one person ticks the box". i have not got one message from anyone who says they are happy with the acronym. the cultural negotiator says, "i don't like it at all, it only helps to perpetuate a narrative of division and not inclusion, in my opinion." this one says, "i find white people use it a lot to group everyone who isn't white, iam lot to group everyone who isn't white, i am very much happy being black and being called black. i only know and experience life as a black
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person". what is the downside of bunching every ethnicity into one homogenous group? well, i think you diminish what are important and very unique histories, lived experiences of racism and discrimination, that happened to members under this umbrella, right? and i think that you also hide what are the true struggles and the plight of the black community when you can say, oh, you know, we have, for instance, oxford in their recently released report, they have a fifth of bame students in new admissions but if you look at the figures for geography, they had zero black students in the past three years, for the figures in biology, it is one black student in the past three years, and in the past three years, 5.3% have been black, these are actually quite full figures for the black community but it looks like progress when you say there's a
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fifth of the cohort that are bame origin. understood, yes. if you look at it that way, it is harmful, you downplay what is still a struggle for a lot of people that belong to these groups and failed to draw light to those issues so they can change in the future. can i put this to you from jess, who says, "i can't help but feel, to those who parrot, oh, you can't say anything these days, they will feel vindicated by discussions like these and give up attem pts discussions like these and give up atte m pts to discussions like these and give up attempts to learn and adapt". what do you say to that? i mean, language isa do you say to that? i mean, language is a place of struggle, i would say to that. you know, i think it was the african—american feminist author bell hooks who first said that uncertainly for oppressed groups, certainly groups that are experiencing racism but not only racism, the lg bt
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experiencing racism but not only racism, the lgbt community as well and feminist movements, it becomes a huge conversation how people identify and how we talk about the differences and progress or lack of progress. it is something that needs to be constantly re—evaluated and it is something that we think about a lot at runnymede, trying to make sure you are accurate and trying to make sure that you move with the times, that language is fluid and changes. i mean come in the nineteen seventies, black was used in a political sense to encompass asian people as well, younger generations of asian people don't identify with that grouping and i think that is where bame kind of started. i think the important thing is it is not used when that is not what people mean and! used when that is not what people mean and i think nnekah made an important point, when you are talking about disparities within racial groups, we know there is a huge range of experience between elite macro within that bame category, it is a catchall and it
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should not be a shorthand. just to interact, a huge range of experience, if wejust interact, a huge range of experience, if we just talk about coronavirus, for example, public health england say that bame people are disproportionately affected and when you drill down, actually, if you are of bangladeshi origin, your risk of dying from covid—19 doubles, according to pha. we need to know that, don't we? —— according to public health england. get. we do andi public health england. get. we do and i think it is ready and helpful when bame is used lazily, really, when bame is used lazily, really, when you are referring actually to particular groups and your covid—19 example is exactly right, it is mostly black and asian groups we we re mostly black and asian groups we were talking about, but bame was used improperly, probably. can i also bring up this point with you, nnekah, as well, nina mentioned racism and it also exists within and between certain ethnic minorities. yes, soi between certain ethnic minorities. yes, so i think the term bame does create a full sense of community
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that doesn't actually come in my opinion, exist within the bame community. i think there are some forms of prejudice and dissemination that exist within different groups —— prejudice and discrimination which exist within different groups within the bame community and that isa within the bame community and that is a problem which still needs to be dealt with but when you, i guess, kind of force us to hide behind this umbrella that we are all the same, we are homogenous, we share the exact same experiences and understanding of those experiences, then you don't have the discourse that you breakdown some of those prejudices that do exist within the bame community, too. sure. in terms of it being a term that potentially may have helped open some doors, and iand may have helped open some doors, and i and choosing my words carefully, for underrepresented groups in certain sectors, for example, you know, universities might give particular grants to
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underrepresented communities, companies may do the same, in order... i mean, presumably we want to keep that going but how do you do it without using the acronym bame? so, partially, ithink it without using the acronym bame? so, partially, i think bame it without using the acronym bame? so, partially, ithink bame has it without using the acronym bame? so, partially, i think bame has been used in terms of positive discrimination, so trying to increase access for members within the community, but i have seen re ce ntly the community, but i have seen recently bame is being used for outreach to specifically black students, when actually, bame is a term thatjust students, when actually, bame is a term that just refers to anyone who is non—white. so then there are still significant barriers to entry for those students, when making these applications and scholarship applications, that they are not actually aware of, because dangerously, bame is slowly becoming synonymous with black or asian which is not a true representation of what
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that category comprises. it is not accurate, yeah. not accurate, you. luke said, "it's served a purpose backin luke said, "it's served a purpose back in the day when organisations and community groups needed funding and community groups needed funding and to mock differentiation. it opens doors and it continues to do so but it never sat well by lumping us so but it never sat well by lumping us all together. it is time to change". let me ask you both, nina, is it time to drop this and what would be preferable?” is it time to drop this and what would be preferable? i think that conversation just needs to be ongoing and we need to include all voices. it might be in 20th this is not the catchall term we prefer —— in 20 years. as i say, we need to be flexible and responsive to how people feel about that but i think it is important that we continue to collect the evidence of racial disparities that we know are woven into the fibre of our society and we need language to be able to do that. what would you say, nnekah? someone made the point earlier about people
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of colour, and i think that was an important point because bame is a term that was given to the members that fall under that category and not a term that was chosen by us, if that makes sense. yes. so in terms of going forward, if you have to bunch us together when talking about non—white people, you canjust call it as it is, call us non—white people or people of colour. but especially when referring to very specific issues of discrimination, like anti—black racism or racism within the asian community, for instance, we need to refer to people by their correct nationalities and ethnicities and we should not feel uncomfortable doing so. i feel like bame has developed into a euphemism to avoid using terms like the black community or the asian community, when you should feel perfectly comfortable referring to people by what they identify as. thank you for
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joining us. really appreciate your contributions, thanks to both of my guests. so many messages from you about this, thank you. "it is not a hit with the people i know and also, minority ethnic is a meaningless phrase glow magically, much better to be specific when it is relevant, e:g., people of x heritage. i'm also strongly against people of colour as it assumes white is the starting point again". arthur says, "any form ofjargon is disrespectful. why say it like that, bame, when it only ta kes a it like that, bame, when it only takes a second more to address people correctly? it seems to be a tv abbreviation for the convenience of those like you" like me, "who can't be bothered to address people directly." "i'm a 50—year—old mixed—race person, born in the uk
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andi mixed—race person, born in the uk and i hate the acronym and i want it dropped". thanks for those. military parades marking the 75th anniversary of the soviet victory over nazi germany are being held across russia after a long delay caused by the coronavirus pandemic. in moscow, thousands of servicemen marched across red square, accompanied by more than 250 tanks. live to moscow and our correspondent sarah rainsford. fill us in with what has been happening so far today. well, it was a huge parade, of course, a massive display of russian military might as we have come to expect every year in moscow, this year is no exception because of course it is the 75th anniversary of the soviet victory. vladimir putin was here on red square, talking about the enormous price that the soviet union paid in terms of lives lost. it is believed some 27 million soviet citizens lost their lives during the war. so
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talking and underlining the enormous contribution of soviet troops to that victory over nazism. but of course, this parade is about so much more. for mr putin, this was meant to bea more. for mr putin, this was meant to be a grand occasion and he'd invited world leaders to join to be a grand occasion and he'd invited world leaders tojoin him on the podium, the french president had agreed to come and others were considering the invitation but of course, the coronavirus pandemic put paid to that. first, vladimir putin had to pony parade and when it took place, there was just a handful of foreign dignitaries here, in fact, one of them flew all the way to moscow by t20 members of his delegation tested positive for coronavirus, he did not even make it to the stand. —— but when two members of his delegation. sarah ra i nsfo rd , members of his delegation. sarah rainsford, live in moscow, there. a couple more messages before the weather forecast, as you couple more messages before the weatherforecast, as you know, it is getting hotter in some parts of the country, and again on the subject of bame, "it has pros and cons but it is one way we can hold organisations accountable but i feel we are reaching a point where we will outgrow it". this one says, "the
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term is bizarre and extremely unhelpful as each group comprises its own distinct qualities, cultures, and history, lineage, challenges and history and each letter represents a group of people that have more groups within them. i only ever use it for twitter, knowledge". this one says, "the bame term is hugely destructive for black people because it erases cultural difference of non—white people and it encourages dependency on bias and lazy thinking. it is structurally racist and further diminishes the specific struggle of black — and asian— people. " "it is a placeholder", says this one, "and it should go, it is not applicable to people as individuals. it is grouping disparate peoples together by their non—whiteness. i mean, i'm annoyed that due to my polish heritage, i am white other on forms
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and that is extremely minor in com ' and that is extremely minor in comparison". we will bring you the latest news on the hour but before that, a full weather forecast with helen. hello, there. heat and humidity will continue to rise today. the exception to the rule is where we still have a weather front which has been giving rain through the morning for parts of northern ireland, northern and western scotland. that will tend to peter out as showers this afternoon and then the outside chance of an isolated storm elsewhere, but very few and far between. largely dry and hot. temperatures higher than those yesterday, even with the freshening sea breeze, some strong sunshine. into the very high category today, we don't get that very often. as we go through thursday, a very similar story. a greater risk that we will develop some thundery downpours, particularly in the north and west, but with it, the heat is spreading into parts of northern ireland and further north into scotland as well, into the mid to high 20s here. potentially 33 in the south and the east, probably
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hello and welcome to bbc news. i'm victoria derbyshire with the latest headlines for viewers watching in the uk and around the world. as england gets ready for a big easing of lockdown, health leaders warn urgent action is needed to ensure the uk is prepared for a potential second wave of coronavirus. the government publishes its guidance on how businesses in england can operate safely when they reopen in ten days' time. the last thing anybody wants is for a second peak. is for a business to be shut down because it's not observing the guidelines and the rules. we'll be getting reaction to the lifting of the lockdown in england, as well as looking at the next steps for scotland, wales and northern ireland. so, if you run a buiness, how are you preparing? do let me know. get in touch at victoria@bbc.co.uk.
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