tv Outside Source BBC News July 7, 2020 8:00pm-8:30pm BST
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i'm ros atkins. welcome to outside source. brazil's president bolsonaro has covid—19. we'll be live in sao paolo. yesterday, borisjohnson said this about care homes during the pandemic. too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way that they could have, but we're learning lessons the whole time. care homes have been badly affected by the coronavirus — and there's been a furious reaction. but the prime minister's not apologising. for him to brush over the government's failings and to blame the social care sector was, as i say, at best, clumsy.
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melbourne in australia is back in lockdown after recording its highest number of daily covid cases. we'll look at what's behind the surge. and the trump administration has the video—sharing app tik tok in its sight. secretary of state mike pompeo was asked whether he'd recommend downloading it. only if you want your private information in the hands of the chinese communist party. welcome to the programme. we have to start with jair bolsonaro, president of the country with the second highest number of covid cases in the world — and now he's part of that total. here he is telling reporters earlier. he appears without a mask but then puts one on. he tells them he's been feeling unwell since sunday, had a fever and was suffering some pain and then took a coronavirus test. now, though, he says he feels perfectly well. translation: for example, if i hadn't taken the covid—19 test, i wouldn't know the result. and it turned out to be positive.
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let's bear in mind this is a man who has repeatedly trivialized and downplayed the seriousness of the coronavirus. there are any number of examples i could show you. this is one from march after brazil's first covid death. translation: given my history of athleticism, if i was to be infected with the virus, i would not have to worry. i would not feel it. it would be like a little flu or like being under the weather. president bolsonaro has also ignored health advice and continued to attend social events. here he is at a rally in april protesting against social distancing and lockdown measures. he coughed repeatedly. he's also refused to wear a mask most the time, despite it being compulsory in public since april. again, we weren't short of options. here's one example from may. at other rallies, he's been shaking hands with supporters. this footage is from march. and throughout the pandemic, the president has been nothing if not consistent. this was last week. translation: we need to respect the pandemic. we regret those who have died.
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but i will make it very clear — the objective of the lockdown, of staying at home, was for hospitals to prepare themselves with intensive care beds and with respirators for those who are infected. i do not know of a single person who has lost their life because of a lack of icu or a lack of respirator. so, the goal is not to let the person who is infected infect everyone else because sooner or later, people are going to get the virus. brazil is the epicentre of the pandemic in latin america. cases have now passed 1.6 million. the who tells us no—one is immune. the virus doesn't really know who we are. whether we're prince or pauper, we are equally vulnerable. and i think what it really highlights is our collective vulnerability to this disease, so we wish mr bolsonaro and his family the best in this regard. it is a time... brazil is a great nation. it faces a difficult task at a difficult time.
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let's bring in the bbc‘s south america correspondent, katy watson, who is with us in sao paulo. tell us about the reaction there's been. there's been a very mixed reaction. this is a very divided country politically, and i think that he has certainly made a very many enemies in his handling of the crisis, so the reaction has been anything from, this is something he presumably thought was coming, people wishing him well, but the fact is, from the very beginning, he has downplayed this virus, he has said that he would probably not... he has been dismissive of the death toll as it continued to rise and now, of course, he has the virus himself, so the irony has not been missed among the irony has not been missed among the brazilian public here today in the brazilian public here today in the country. is it going to have any impact on his ability to lead
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the country. is it going to have any impac short s ability to lead the country. is it going to have any impac short term? y to lead the country. is it going to have any impac short term? he i lead the country. is it going to have any impac short term? he said i the country. is it going to have any impac short term? he said he @ he said he has cancelled engagements, he will be doing video conferences from the palace in brasilia for now, so he is taking doctor's advice, he is clearly making sure that he will distance, although as you pointed out, he did the press conference, he did take his mask off. the journalists were very close to him. so he has still got that cavalier attitude, i guess, and that is something he will continue to have it. he wants the economy up and running. we have seen here in sao paulo shops beginning to open, shops and restaurants, a push to return to normality. with the death toll rising, with the cases every day being so huge, the sense of normality is not quite there yet in brazil. the last time we spoke, the restaurants and bars in brazil had just started opening. how is that going?|j bars in brazil had just started opening. how is that going? i went around the block, seeing how these
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restau ra nts around the block, seeing how these restaurants are opening, and the kind of excitement bickered begin back to normal. a few shots have open. they have said it is not a good idea, they want to protect their workers, they want to protect their workers, they want to protect the public, so they have stayed close. the vast majority, after lockdown. .. it's been close. the vast majority, after lockdown... it's been long —— in lockdown, we are still in walked out here in sao paulo, so is that sense of wanting to get back to normality, but it is coming at exactly the wrong time when brazil is thought not yet to be reaching the peak anytime soon. katy, thank you. jair bolsonaro is the latest in a string of leaders and officials who've tested positive for coronavirus. as you will know, british prime minister boris johnson ended up in intensive care after testing positive for the coronavirus in april. several other members
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of his cabinet got it too, including his adviser dominic cummings. prince charles, the next in line to the british throne, also tested positive and recovered after a period of self—isolation. elsewhere, honduran president juan orlando hernandez was hospitalised after being diagnosed with coronavirus. he's now recovered. michel barnier, the european union's chief negotiator for brexit, announced in april that he had the covid—i9 respiratory illness that the coronavirus has been known to cause. russia's prime minister mikhail mishustin became the highest—profile politician to test positive for the coronavirus in the country. lots of other examples. guinea—bissau prime minister nuno gomes nabiam announced on facebook in april that he had tested positive for the coronavirus. finally, iran, a number of different officials, religious figures as well, who have died after correcting covid—i9. —— contracting covid—i9.
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the list goes on. the virus does not discriminate. there's been a furious reaction from charities running care homes in the uk after borisjohnson said too many care homes "didn't really follow procedures" as the pandemic began. some government ministers have said what he actually meant was that no—one knew what the correct plan of action was at the start of the crisis. the opposition wants an apology. here's the bbc‘s social affairs correspondent alison holt to pick up the story. # then sings my soul... # this was the reality for st ives lodge care home on april 15th, the day the government set out its support plan for care homes. they had already lost six residents. at that point, covid—i9 outbreaks in residential and nursing homes had peaked and thousands of lives were being lost. getting ppe was a struggle. testing for care staff was only introduced that day and government help felt too little, too late. for the last three weeks, we have been like a little mini hospital where we've been dealing with end—of—life patients.
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it's been so awful. i mean, it's awful, it's just surreal, it really is. against that backdrop, these comments from the prime minister have caused outrage. we discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way they could have, but we're learning lessons the whole time. i think at best, he was clumsy and cowardly by effectively picking on a sector that the vast majority of these fantastic front line care workers are on minimum wage, many without sick pay, and for him to brush over the government's failings and to blame the social care sector was, as i say, at best, clumsy. the care sector maintains it was forgotten at the start of the pandemic. in the first month, patients were discharged from hospitals to care homes without tests. even council officials described the distribution of protective equipment to homes as shambolic and government guidance as contradictory.
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in the commons today, it was down to the health and social care secretary to clarify boris johnson's comments. throughout this crisis, care homes have done amazing work and the prime minister was explaining that, because asymptomatic transmission was not known about, the correct procedures were therefore not known and we have been constantly learning about this virus from the start. many care staff have been left deeply traumatised by what they've experienced in recent months and there is a fear that history is being rewritten, but there is also anger that here at westminster politicians knew long before the pandemic that the care sector was underfunded, overstretched and in crisis. next on outside source, let's talk about tiktok. it's a massively popular video sharing app. two interconnecting
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stories to talk about — tiktok saying it's quitting hong hong and the us government looks set to ban it. now, quitting hong kong is because of the new security law there which gives the chinese authorities significant new powers. it's an interesting decision. tiktok is chinese—owned with an american ceo, and this would appear to be an effort to put some distance between the company and china. but if that's a message for the trump administration, it's not cutting through. with respect to chinese apps on people's cell phones, i can assure you, the united states will get this one right too, laura. i don't want to get out... i don't want to get out in front of the president, but it's something we're looking at. would you recommend that people download that app on their phones, tonight, tomorrow, anytime currently? only if you want your private information in the hands of the chinese communist party. well, china also appears displeased with tiktok. here's the chinese foreign ministry on the hong kong aspect of this story. translation: we hope that the relevant parties will look at china's legitimate right to safeguard its own sovereignty and security in a fair, objective and rational manner, and that they will take a fair and rational approach to the issue of hong kong.
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don't selectively set barriers and don't politicise the issue. "don't politicise the issue," says china. well, twitter, facebook and whatsapp have already said they won't hand over any data to hong kong authorities. but all internet platforms are being told that if they don't take down information or opinion that contravenes hong kong's new security law, they could be fined and their employees could be imprisoned. here's bbc tech reporterjames clayton. there is clearly nervousness and worry around whether this data, if push came to shove, whatever be shared with the chinese government. and that's the really, that tiktok now has a huge existential problem, because at the moment, there are lots of people in the west who are very nervous about china. and having a connection with china is not particularly good for business if you are an international chinese tech company right now.
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tiktok has seen phenomenal growth in the last three years. it's been downloaded more than two billion times. last quarter, it generated the most downloads for any app ever. but last week, its largest market, india, banned it — along with 58 other chinese apps. that appears connected to the border clash with china in the galwan valley, in which 20 indian soldiers died. india's government claims these chinese apps are using data illegally, and that they're a threat to india's national security. and now, tiktok faces the prospect of losing the us, another huge market. there's hostility elsewhere too. an australian senator who chairs an inquiry into foreign interference through social media says tiktok might be "a data collection service disguised as social media". here's james clayton again. if you look at if you look at tiktok‘s business model, clearly it is to expand into many parts of the world, they want
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to have a big presence in europe, in the us, and a huge presence in india. the indian market now looks very difficult for tiktok considering it is banned. us is looking increasingly difficult. where will this end? and i think you you work for tiktok, even if you are on tiktok right now, it is a worrying time because, really, at any point now, if you look at what pompeo said, if you look the fact that trump does not critically like tiktok. .. that trump does not critically like tiktok... your that trump does not critically like tiktok. .. your member that that trump does not critically like tiktok... your member that also rally that tiktok, it is claimed, ta nks rally that tiktok, it is claimed, tanks the attendees from... the potential there for the biggest markets to be affected here, it's clearly a very worrying and nervous time for actor one. —— for tiktok. let's bring in zhaoyin feng from
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washington, dc. what did you make the decision? this is the remarkable move. some analysts see it as a pr stu nt for move. some analysts see it as a pr stunt for tiktok because it is reported to hong kong has a relatively small and lossmaking market for the company. last year, it is reported tiktok only had 150,000 users in hong kong, which is relatively small considering the population in hong kong is around 8 million, and also this is only 1% of the apps number of users in india. at the same time, the company confirmed its sister app for mainland chinese users will remain accessible in hong kong, so many critics are saying, in this move, tiktok treats hong kong basically no different than other mainland cities, which is what the national security law allegedly aims to do.
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cities, which is what the national security law allegedly aims to dolj security law allegedly aims to do.” was mentioning that macron is chinese owned, but do the chinese authorities view it as a chinese company? -- i know that tiktok is chinese owned. indeed. its parent company is... the company first introduced the video sharing platform, tiktok‘s order sister, to the chinese people. and after the company introduced tiktok to the us, india and other countries. now, macron finds itself amidst these international controversies —— now tiktok finds itself. you earlier mentioned the sequence, the us secretary of state pompeo suggested washington is considering banning tiktok because it might follow chinese government's rules to turn
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over users data, but beijing says it will not do so. if you look at the hong kong national security law, tiktok, a registered company in hong kong, it would need to comply to the law to turn in the data as requested by the chinese government. just before i let you go, i want to be clear, is there any evidence that tiktok or the chinese authority co—ordinate together, work together, in any way co—operate together? co—ordinate together, work together, in any way co-operate together? so far, there is no evidence of that, and it would be interesting to see on what legal grounds the us will banned tiktok in the us. it is a strategy that tiktok has tried to distance itself from china. it does not seem to be working right now, but it will be interesting to see how other countries will react to that. 0k, thank you very much for that. 0k, thank you very much for that. that is zhaoyin feng from bbc
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chinese. in a few minutes on outside source, we're going to look at melbourne in australia. 5 million people living there are starting a new six—week lockdown as coronavirus cases surge. first minister nicola sturgeon says she hopes to move scotland into the next phase of leaving its lockdown from thursday, meaning restrictions will be eased over the rest of the month. however, the scottish government has still not decided whether to ease quarantine restrictions for visitors from outside the uk. nicola sturgeon pointed to the experience of other countries. all of this is difficult for all countries, in terms of tourism, in terms of our domestic economies, but would be damaging is if we act 110w. . . would be damaging is if we act now... none of us can roll this out but we are trying to avoid it if possible, because what will be most damaging is if you are not too long from now, having to do what
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melbourne has just done, from now, having to do what melbourne hasjust done, what belgrade is doing, what parts of catalonia are just doing, what large parts of florida are doing, and it's putting arch parts into lockdown again. hello, i'ml ros atkins - outside source. we are here— hello, i'ml ros atkins - outside source. we are here in the bbc our lead
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