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cases in number of positive cases in leicester are still well above the rest of the country and i will not prejudge the decision that we would ta ke prejudge the decision that we would take on thursday i will take into account all of the data. he asked for specific metrics. you are not set out specific threshold, instead we will look at all the data, multilevel and the rate of change, i make the appropriate decision in consultation with the local authorities. there are risk—based health and safety inspections on all the types of facility he mentions and this needs to be based on risk, for instance, we have seen across the world meet packaging batteries having a higher risk of having an outbreak and so we have targeted inspections on those —— meat. patient identifiable data is available to local authorities when they signed a data protection
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agreement. of course there has to be agreement. of course there has to be a data protection agreement and as he knows we plan to publish more and more of this data as open data. we will continue the work to control the virus and we will continue to bring in measures as they are appropriate and i look forward to a return to the spirit of constructive engagement for which the honourable gentleman is so well known. jeremy hunt. can i congratulate the health secretary for the impressive resilience he has shown through the coronavirus crisis but as we both know is that the joy of his job is that windsor is always around the corner and one of the sobering statistics in the morning's report is that the number of people every day overwinter is that the number of people every day over winter who have covid symptoms will increase from 100,000 to 360,000 and it is obviously vital to 360,000 and it is obviously vital to know which one of them have
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coronavirus and which just has a regular winter flu, coronavirus and which just has a regular winterflu, and coronavirus and which just has a regular winter flu, and so they say it is essential to have a massive mmp it is essential to have a massive ramp up of testing and tracing capability before then, so could i ask him what his plans are to do that and when he does that will he be able to do whatnot that and when he does that will he be able to do what notjustjohn bell but many other distinguished scientists are calling for which is routine testing for nhs front line staff? well, i take very seriously the royal college report and we are engaged in a massive ramp up of testing and of the contact tracing which my right honourable friend has long championed. the scale of the mmp long championed. the scale of the ramp up of testing will be big enough to cope with these sorts of figures that are described in the royal college report and that is even on the current testing technology. if there is a breakthrough so that we can get
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testing technology that is even easier to roll out, where it can be done at the bedside next to the person, in the community rather than being sent to a lab, we can have an even bigger roll—out. 0n the final point he makes, as we have discussed together in this chamber before, we have put in place a programme of regular testing of nhs staff that is advised by the clinicians and that insists on regular testing that is again risk—based and as we further mmp again risk—based and as we further ramp up testing above the 300,000 a day capacity we have now achieved which is one of the highest in the world, we will of course continue to expand that effort. video link. i
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thank the secretary of state for his statement and it represents a welcome step towards preparing against any new second wave of coronavirus infections this winter, because the virus has not been eliminated so as we lift lockdown and people increasingly interact with one another we need to use every tool we have to reduce the risk of a second wave. a report commissioned by the uk chief scientific adviser patrick vallance has concluded july and august must bea has concluded july and august must be a period of intense preparation for a proponent —— potential winter coming of the virus again. this outcome does not take any account of late reactions which the government might take a nice —— and i hope another strategy will be adopted, but be moved to compulsory face coverings is another helpful intervention. effective update will
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required effective public messaging —— effective uptake. the chancellor of the duchy of lancaster said it did not need to be mandatory, the chancellor said mandatory perhaps, and the prime minister said he was looking at the evidence, and now tha nkfully looking at the evidence, and now thankfully the health secretary has said it will be mandatory. 0n the head of the world health organization said yesterday that mixed messaging from leaders is one of the worst challenges in tackling covid—19, who do you think he had in mind? the chair of the british medical association says every day that goes by as to the risk of the spread and endangers lives, so while i welcome at the uk government falling into line with the scottish government and others around the world, it needs to be one component ofa world, it needs to be one component of a wider elimination strategy, not just keeping the virus down, so i hope the secretary of state will ta ke hope the secretary of state will take this opportunity to commit to
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the elimination strategy today. take this opportunity to commit to the elimination strategy todaylj certainly agree with the honourable member that the uk has throughout this virus largely moved in lockstep in some cases, but for a few days in terms of the implementation timings of these sorts of decisions. that is a good thing because we are far stronger when we work together as one single united kingdom. i welcome the scottish government's support for the decision that we have taken. the only thing i would add is that absolutely, suppressing the virus is critical, and as all countries around the world have discovered, elimination is extremely difficult, including those countries where they thought that elimination was achievable, but they are finding that then the cases pop up again.
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therefore the direct approach which we are following right across the uk is to make sure that we have local action whenever we see cases, to clamp down on them, as much as possible, in order to suppress the virus while being able to lift those national measures. i would like to praise the secretary of state, the third week of lower than average deaths across the country, so we are clearly getting a grip on the virus. we have seen real reductions in rates in the north—east, but as the economy opens back up confidence is key for my local community and local comedy. especially for those coming back from shielding in august —— local economy. when there are outbreaks as there has been in my constituency in the last 48 hours, track and trace must be there for people, could my right honourable friend tell the house how many people have already been tracked and
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traced across the country to give confidence to people that the system is working. 144,000 people who have been asked to isolate who simply would not have known that they had been at risk before the large scale track and trace programme was put in place. it is vital that we have got the resources to act and that we have plenty of resources in test and trace, and for a while we had criticism that we had too many people and we did not have enough for them to do but as the royal college's report shows this morning and as the chair of the health select committee said in his remarks and as the honourable gentleman has just alluded, it is vital that we have that capacity so that whenever we need to trace an outbreak of the virus we can get right in there and ta ke virus we can get right in there and take the action we need. every covid—19 debt is a tragedy, a
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family changed for ever, and the tragical truth is that the uk response has resulted in one of the worst death tolls in the world —— every covid—19 death is a tragedy. it has been 81.9 people per 100,000 of the population. research indicates excess deaths across the pandemic period have been 15% higher in england than in wales. this is despite the fact that a significantly greater proportion of the welsh population live with long limiting illness. what does the secretary of state believe explains this disparity and what lessons can his department learn from the welsh government's response in preparation for further local outbreaks and a potential second wave? thank you very much. i've been engaged positively with the welsh government
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throughout this and where we have concerns, for instance the outbreak that the welsh government was handling in wrexham or anglesey, we have been in communication about it, especially where there is an issue on the border. i caution her slightly against the sorts of comparisons that she makes but what i would say is that this is best conducted, this exercise is best conducted, this exercise is best conducted together, and that is why we ta ke conducted together, and that is why we take the approach that we are tackling this virus across the whole united kingdom together. virtual link, peter bone. we will pull away now from the house of commons. you can keep watching on the parliament channel. wearing face masks will become
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mandatory, as we heard. that was matt hancock formalising the announcement that we got wind of last night. we would have continuing reaction to this through the day. the troubled airline virgin atlantic has finalised a rescue deal, worth £1.2 billion in the package includes support from its main shareholder virgin group and loans from outside investors. it is also a package which includes deferring payments. virgin atlantic had initially hoped to obtain emergency subsidies from the government but ministers said that would be a last resort. virgin atla ntic that would be a last resort. virgin atlantic say they have taken painful measures but they have done what many thought was impossible, the solvent recapitalisation will make sure they can continue to provide vital connectivity and competition for consumers and businesses in britain and beyond, they say. they go on to thank their supporters and
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shareholders and creditors and new private investors. that is the breaking news. more on that during the afternoon. the government has announced it is to carry out a major u—turn and exclude the chinese company huawei from involvement in britain's 5g data networks. oliver dowden told the commons that all huawei equipment would be removed by 2027 over security concerns and he said the decision would cost up to £2 billion and delay lady rolled out of 5g by 2—3 years —— delay the roll—out. the decision will please washington but angered beijing. huawei said it was bad news for anyone in the uk with a mobile phone. it's the controversial chinese firm taht the united states wanted it allies to ban. but injanuary huawei was allowed
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to supply 35% of the uk 5g network. now, though, these huawei masts are now going to have to come down. after a security council meeting, the government has announced a u—turn. let me clear, this requirement will be set out in law by the telecom security bill. by the time of the next election, we will have implemented in law an irreversible path for the complete removal of huawei equipment from our 5g networks. so, what's changed since january when gchq said the risks were manageable? first, new sanctions mean the company might not have access to us technology, seen as vital. then there's the politics. the security crackdown in hong kong has led to a revolt by tory backbenchers.
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we wanted china to mature into a responsible global stakeholder. but they have become a superpower without displaying the responsibilities that a superpower should be showing. there is no international leadership. what we are seeing in china is it is discreetly pressing its advantage. now the mobile phone companies know that the need to remove huawei equipment and replace it with that from nokia or ericsson. that will not make broadband targets easier to hit. some technology firms wonder why the ban is needed. the whole thing is fairly tenuous. the equipment they supply is pretty much a done thing in technology terms.
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what is clear is that the days when the uk and china were entering a golden age for trade are over. the uk has chosen which side it is on. we can now go to our guest from east london, is this a sensible reaction oran london, is this a sensible reaction or an overreaction? there are pros and cons to the reaction. from a data privacy perspective it is something we welcome. data privacy isa something we welcome. data privacy is a fundamental human right, in europe and the uk, we sometimes take it for granted. countries like china have a poor track record when it comes to human rights we can see that this is the right decision to make. we need to be careful about who we hand over our data to, data
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and the use of data is exponential and the use of data is exponential and the use of data is exponential and the fact china has a law that says kandy have to —— that says huawei have to hand over any data that it has over its platforms means that it has over its platforms means that this was a risk to government. this was addressed when the huawei we re this was addressed when the huawei were given the contract initially. yes, it was initially addressed, when theresa may made the decision to allow huawei to provide non—core components as part of the 5g network. the national cyber security council felt quite comfortable they had measures in place, but given the recent turn of events in the us where they have placed sanctions on the chips that huawei need to make those devices and make those transmitters safe and secure, the government has actually changed its decision and decided that actually we don't think it is safe enough for the uk. explain to those of us who are fairly illiterate when it comes
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to computers, but if they want to hack the data, they can do that without necessarily having component parts in the 5g network? without necessarily having component parts in the 56 network? that's right. we don't actually provide or produce any telecommunications devices but we can actually still monitor the communication with our security service and the concern is that because of the chinese law which exist which means england have to share any data processed over their networks —— which means huawei have to share. they do deny that, by the way, that is what their reaction would be. it is a fair point, they have been providing components for over 15 years to the uk and to date there has been no evidence that there has been no evidence that there has been such data breaches but as data becomes more widely used and as it becomes more exponential and as it becomes more exponential and as it becomes more exponential and as we look at the track record of human rights especially in the treatment of the protesters and also
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minorities, britain has decided to ta ke minorities, britain has decided to take a stance and say we need to think very carefully about who we wa nt to think very carefully about who we want to go into long—term partnerships with, and unfortunately china, it is not going to be you. you are talking about human rights, a big issue, obviously, on the political agenda, but we are talking about a 5g network and as huawei points out this will hit people with mobile phones and it will cost billions of pounds and put back by several years the take up a 5g in this country. that is right. when it comes to providing components for telecommunications, huawei is by far the best manufacturer and supplier of that and they spent about £11 billion in the research and development. it will cost the uk time and outages but at the end of the day the government has made a decision based on their assessment of the national security and that's what they have up with. the boss of
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bt said it could take up to ten yea rs bt said it could take up to ten years to physically do this. oliver dowden suggested it could be done sooner than this, what is a realistic timescale? given the fact we have been using huawei components for over 15 years, it is deeply embedded in our infrastructure, with two g, 3g, 4g, so it will take a significant amount of time, and no one can actually say exactly how long it will take to replace and strip out those components, and bt have estimated it will take around a decade and i think that is quite accurate. good to talk to you, thanks forjoining us. these are the headlines. no way to huawei, the chinese company is banned from the sg chinese company is banned from the 5g network in the uk over security concerns, adding billions to the cost. customers will now have to wear face coverings in shops cost. customers will now have to wearface coverings in shops in england from the 24th ofjuly and
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will be backed up by eight fines of up will be backed up by eight fines of up to £100. the uk economy shrank by nearly 20% in may hit by the coronavirus lockdown. now the financial data. uk economy shrank by nearly 20% in the three months until may, a record drop as the impact of the was felt. the gdp growth fell far short of the 5% rise expected by most economist as we now report —— economists. this party shop in andover is one of the millions of businesses trying to keep things cheerful and stay afloat in the midst of what the office for budget responsibility said this morning would be the biggest recession in 300 years. since may, some business has returned after two months of no income. we have all our local customers back which is really nice, our regulars, and we have gained some new ones as well. optimistic, i think that's the best
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thing to say, but it did hit us, like everybody, really hard. the economy shrank by nothing less than a fifth in the three months until the end of may, nearly ten times the size of the worst three months of the global financial crisis. in the midst of the slump for bricks and mortar retailers, online shopping jumped to the point where this manchester based courier company says nearly every day has been like its busiest day last year. we did a £1.3 million parcel peak which was our peak day, our black friday 2019, and we have seen 1.4 million parcels during that period of time so we are experiencing the same levels that we experience over the christmas period. with more online shopping, the reopening of garden centres and some manufacturing and construction, economic activity has started to increase again in may but it's not yet the bounce back some hoped for. normally economic growth of 1.8% in a month would be impressive but it is less of a bouncer than most economists were expecting
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and then you look at it compared to what has happened... it is that little tick at the bottom of this sheer drop. the economy is still a full quarter smaller than it was before the pandemic and well below the level it was ten years ago. today the office for budget responsibility said the extra spending announced in rishi sunak‘s summer statement last week to try to supportjobs might boost economic growth next year but would also add £51 billion to the amount the government has to borrow to cover its spending. borrowing this year could be anywhere from 190 billion to around £400 million. if interest rates rose on that level it could become difficult to manage. given the consequences of crisis in terms of the global increase in both public and private sector debt, that could be the sort of thing that would put upward pressure on the national rate of interest and therefore the rates of interest at which governments can borrow. the official prediction of what the obr called
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a central scenario is that unemployment will climb to 12%, over 3.5 million people. with the economy not recovering to its precrisis level until the end of 2022, two and a half years from now. scientists have warned the uk could see around 120,000 new coronavirus deaths in a second wave of infections this winter. the report requested by the chief scientific adviser patrick vallance says the virus is more likely to spread when people spend more time indoors. this is our report on the south coast on what is being done to get ready there. a cold pint, fresh from the tap. a welcome sight for pub goers in hampshire. but as national lockdown eases, councils are coming under increasing pressure to spot local outbreaks before they spread. they have been working with their local emergency services, nhs trusts and the military to plan their covid—19 response. and confidential planning documents
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linked to hampshire and the isle of wight show that they have been studying predictions for a larger second wave to come for several months. their worst case scenario warns that almost half the area's 2 million people could become infected with coronavirus, with deaths peaking at over 90 per day. at the height of the crisis in april, deaths reached 30 per day. the figures contained in these documents tally with the national modelling done by the academy of medical sciences. but both the local and national predictions are worst—case scenarios. this means they don't take into account containment measures such as future lockdowns or potential advancements in treating the virus. we are using these modelling figures to prepare for anything we need to do to mitigate that. so, how we put prevention measures in place, or manage outbreaks as they appear, and we know we've had outbreaks in the first wave,
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looking at in care homes and other settings, so we are really looking at that and making sure we can mitigate anything going forward. inside this warehouse just outside portsmouth, the council have been stockpiling gloves and masks, should the worst happen. there was ten between 30 and 40... but for those shielding, the prospect of a second wave is difficult after months inside. orla brady has a rare blood cancer and has been at home since march with her nine—year—old daughter, megan. i'm increasingly thinking that an autumn—winter lockdown might well be on the cards. and that's quite a daunting prospect. i actually can't see in my mind a way to being out and about and back to normal for myself before that happens. the focus of the covid—19 response is shifting. the government have said they don't want blanket national measures again. instead, they are banking on councils preventing outbreaks locally, and when they do happen,
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containing them there. larissa kennelly, bbc news, in hampshire. four months after the start of the coronavirus pandemic, doctors are still on a steep learning curve. research from king's college in london has found one in 20 covid—19 patients suffer symptoms for at least a month. one of those people is isabel and usually she works as the chaplain to the archbishop of canterbury but has been off work now for more than three months. just explain what the symptoms have been for that length of time. for months on, almost i still have a cough, shortness of breath and i can't walk very easily —— four. i struggle to concentrate on her chest pains and i lose my voice if i talk a lot. i'm sorry about that, i got no choice! you have got to keep talking for a bit longer —— i've got no choice. it
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was only recently that this talk of long—term effects of covid—19 have become a thing. yes, it has been really difficult, i had a secondary infection is so initially i was given antibiotics but then doctors did not know what to do. you were told ring 111 and they said, you need to isolate for 14 days, and then there was nobody, it seemed, who could tell you why i was still poorly. initially i was very very poorly. initially i was very very poorly. that is pretty frustrating? it is hugely frustrating, but at the same time, doctors are learning as they go along just like we are. the frustrating thing was, you can't actually physically see your gp in the community and you couldn't have any way of seeing a medical professional for quite any way of seeing a medical professionalfor quite a any way of seeing a medical professional for quite a long time. i'm sure the doctors simply didn't know but i'm wondering what has
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changed, have you had scans, have they found anything out about what you are actually suffering from? they found anything out about what you are actually suffering from ?m has been really difficult to get any proper test done so i've had chest x—rays but apart from that nothing. i've been referred to consultants but i'm waiting to see them. what has changed, doctors doing different methods, i've been given a steroid several times and that has helped massively in terms of the coughing and chest pain and the shortness of breath and so we know that there is some sort of inflammation but apart from that we know very little. you have a job, chaplain to the archbishop of canterbury, and i would imagine they could not come more understanding as employers go, but for some people this has been really difficult because employers may be are less understanding about this condition. my employers have
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been brilliant but i'm part of a network of people with covid and i know people have been forced to go back to early and they have relapsed and some people have even lost their jobs. it is a really big issue. you describe shortness of breath and difficulty in speaking, and chronic fatigue is something that is also described. yes. i am very tired still, and a lot of people like me find it very hard to sleep during covid because you are not breathing very well so we are not entirely sure whether the fatigue is because of post viral fatigue or it is as a result of sleeping poorly because of shortness of breath. what can you do about it? what is the advice? there is no advice, really! i've had doctors say, it must be post viral so it will go away on its own, i've had other doctors who have tried to say, maybe it is an infection, maybe
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we can try antibiotics, maybe we will give you more steroids, but really it is very much trial and error at this point. remarkable to see you smiling and sometimes laughing about this but it isn't a joke. and for you, at the moment, you don't know when this is going to end. no. i've had a better couple of weeks in the last couple of weeks but it has been a cycle of getting better, having a relapse, and so forth, and at the moment no one knows whether there might be any long—term damage to any organs which is why i've been referred to specialists. but yes, nobody knows anything. it's very unsettling. have you got any advice for any fellow sufferers, anything that helps to alleviate the symptoms? resting as much as possible and i think you have to be proactive in terms of speaking to doctors. i pushed to
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have blood tests and i've had to push to see specialists but at least now this is happening. that is helpful. isabel, i wish now this is happening. that is helpful. isabel, iwish you now this is happening. that is helpful. isabel, i wish you a recovery, and i hope you get better at some stage. thank you. thank you very much. one more thing to mention before the weather, we will be answering your questions on the new rules about wearing face covering in shops and in england. that is it for 30 pm with ben brown. you consent questions. use the twitter hashtag. as promised, the weather. weather—wise it has all taken a turn for the other gloomy in the next few
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days. the reason being all of this cloud piling in from the atlantic. it isa cloud piling in from the atlantic. it is a warm weather front that will push rain through the ceiling and overnight across northern ireland into western scotland and into the small hours of england, wales, and the south—west. moisture in the air, humidity, misty and murky across the hills and around the coast. overnight lows, 11—13dc. best chance of brightness on wednesday probably echoes eastern england before we see the tail end of the weather front moving in, not much rain, wetter weather to the north, it dries up for the afternoon, we will keep that pretty solid covering of cloud, brightness and he premium, temperatures backed by a couple of degrees, typically for the time of year. thursday, slightly better chance of seeing some brightness across england and wales, same for friday, look out for some rain on northern ireland that the rest of the week. —— the end of the week.
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the government banned huawei. we will have implemented a law and irreversible path for the complete removal of huawei equipment from our sg removal of huawei equipment from our 5g network. customers will now have to wear face coverings and shops in a glittering the 24th ofjuly. it will be backed up by fines. a glittering the 24th ofjuly. it will be backed up by fineslj a glittering the 24th ofjuly. it will be backed up by fines. i think it is, if it helps, definitely. it will make people feel safer collectively, so that itjust nice for everyone if they feel safe and happy to go out. got mine already. i think it is a good thing because they should probably have done it before. the economy tried by nearly 20% end of the mods until may, hit by the impact of the coronavirus
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lockdown. virgin atlantic and that its plans for a private refinancing package with £1.2 billion. a warning of 120,000 new coronavirus uk debt and a second wave of infections this winter. good afternoon. pep guardiola says his club, manchester city, should receive an apology after the court of arbitration for sport cleared them of breaking football's financial fair play rules. their ban by uefa from the champions league was overturned yesterday, though they were still fined 10 million euros, which has caused some to question the process. it isa it is a disgraceful decision, because if manchester is not guilty of it, i think to be punished with
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some million is a disgrace, as a decision. if you're not guilty, you're not punished. why the other way, if they are guilty, you should be banned. it is also a distressful decision. in any case, the decision isa decision. in any case, the decision is a disaster. lam happy i am happy they can play chelsea, but i do not take it was a good day for football yesterday, just because i think it is a good idea, therefore protecting teams, protecting the competition, that was the idea in the start, nobody of expense. i really hope that it stays because it gives at least kind of where you can button over it and that is good for
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football. the scottish summer transfer window is open. i made the chaos caused by the pandemic, the new premiership season will start on the 1st of august with the three lower leagues in scotland back in october. the former cyclistjess varnish has lost her employment tribunal appeal against british cycling. varnish has been locked in a legal battle with the governing body since being dropped from team gb in the lead up to the 2016 olympic games. here's our sports news reporter laura scott. jess varnish was one of the country's top cyclase who won a world cyclist medal and was part of the champion winning team. but any build—up to the 2016 olympics she was dropped from the tee that led to her making act cute —— accusations that he tickled director shane sutton had told her to go and have a baby. that paved the way for this
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long legal battle for this employment case. first she had to prove that she was an employee of british cycling or uk sport before she could then sue them for wrongful dismissal or sexual discrimination. but she lost the initial employment tribunal in january of but she lost the initial employment tribunal injanuary of last but she lost the initial employment tribunal in january of last year, she then won the right to an appeal which was heard in may of this year, but this year that appeal was dismissed. thejudge ruling that the initial tribunal had not heard in its assessment of her employee status and that she was not unemployed of other british cycling or uk sport. —— not an employee. complaint to british gymnastics last december about her "experiences olympic bronze medallist, amy tinkler, says she made a formal complaint to british gymnastics last december about her "experiences as a club and elite gymnast". in a statement the 20 year old said she is "no closer to having any feedback or outcome". she also revealed she felt she had no option but to quit gymnastics due to negative experiences. british gymnastics said tinkler‘s case is "at an advanced stage",
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and that she has been kept "fully informed" and given "appropriate support". that's all the sport for now. remember you can stay up—to—date on the bbc sport website and i will be backin the bbc sport website and i will be back in the next hour. wearing a face covering in shops and supermarkets in a good day to become mandatory from the 24th ofjuly. what do shop owners and members of the public think about this new rule on wearing a mask? join k is in taunton, he has been finding out. they're in carnival season people, but maas, little did they know that injuly 2020 they would have to do it for something simple like going into shops. people getting their heads around what this change will mean. we have been speaking to shoppers and shopkeepers, the majority seem supportive, many wish it had happened a bit sooner. some still
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have real questions about how this is all going to work. taunton has been a thriving market town for centuries. it has never looked like this before. shoppers getting used to masks on the high street. this before. shoppers getting used to masks on the high streetlj this before. shoppers getting used to masks on the high street. i keep thinking it is stepping down. susan has put one on for the first time. even though it is not compulsory until next week. what does it feel like? hot and not very nice. something we will have to get used to. are you prepared to get used to it? the government say we will have to wear them in a week or so. yes, i think it if it helps, definitely.” think it if it helps, definitely.” think it if it helps, definitely.” think it will make people feel safer collectively, so that itjust think it will make people feel safer collectively, so that it just a think it will make people feel safer collectively, so that itjust a nice thing for everyone if they feel safe and happy. got mine already, i thick it isa and happy. got mine already, i thick it is a good thing because they should have done before. as a shop owner, jeff also welcomes the move. he has to be extra careful because
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his wife is shielding at home. he wonders if he will have to fall his customers to wear face coverings. that is a concern, i am not where i would stand about, do i refuse a customer or, i don't know.” would stand about, do i refuse a customer or, i don't know. i feel like i am passing out, i cannot get the air in the. doreen has a long disease and says she struggles to breathe if her face is covered. she was to know how the new rules will affect people like her. it is embarrassing if you go to a shop and uk don't have a mask and can go when, it made you feel that you are being pushed away because you have an illness that is not your fault. people with some disabilities and young children will be exempt. shoppers and shopkeepers in england have ten days to prepare. british charities have launched a new appeal to raise funds to fight coronavirus in refugee counts in poor communities and some of the world's
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most vulnerable countries. the government has pledged to match the first £5 million in donations made by the public to the disasters emergency committee. donations will be spent on providing food, water and medical care to countries like syria, yemen and south sudan. i am joined by ahmed kelly who is country directorfor joined by ahmed kelly who is country director for action again agai somalia, thank you for your time. this money instantly needed. thank you, yes, the current situation in somalia, which has been chronic crisis, is compounded by the covid—19 situation, we are seeing a situation that is spiralling out of hand. the high rate of serious politician, limited access to basic service, and the weak health systems are forming a deadly combination in
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terms of affecting people's lives, so the money is really, we need to step up and scale up access to water, sanitation, hygiene, security programmes to save life today in the difficult months to come. somalia has been dealing with the effects of drought, floods, locust infestation and of course conflict, on top of that you know have a pandemic. things like social distancing, is that even possible any refugee camp? it is absolutely not possible in those crowded sha ntytown, it is absolutely not possible in those crowded shantytown, it becomes that spread across the country. this is more difficult in other settings but even in normal somalia, places that have faced the brunt of multiple simultaneous shocks including what you mention but also
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the flooding that displaced nearly half a million in the last few months. you have communaltoilets, huge areas where people gather because it is the only place they can, iamjust because it is the only place they can, i am just wondering what money can, i am just wondering what money can do to help that, because the issues would appear to be so huge.” think it is definitely time to act, we have a very short window of opportunity to intervene, to save lives. the country is just one step away from family, one additional child and you have manifestation of famine situation. besides that, what we are seeing on the ground is the covid—19, we have seen already the impact on the health care system including the routine vaccination programmes that we do. we have also
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seen a drop in terms of uptake of services including the delivery at facility level. we know there is no vaccine for coronavirus, what more can be done? obviously sanitation is going to be crucial. sanitation in terms of hygiene promotion is really key. the pandemic is not only a health crisis but an economic rights has, so families i in most of the households, there is of the need to scale up the treatment of those patients that have already contracted the disease. terms of hygiene, things like soap, sanitisers, very important. definitely. a lot of it is the sanitisers, hand washing facilities
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that need to be stationed in most of the locations. a lot of hygiene promotion and sanitation after abilities using the community volu nteers abilities using the community volunteers that we have brought on board and that we directly work with, they also need to provide and scale up nutrition, supplements that support those children survive. scale up nutrition, supplements that support those children survivem is good of you to join support those children survivem is good of you tojoin is, thank you so much for your time. you're watching bbc news, our head license afternoon... no to huawei. the government bans the chinese company from britain's pie g network over security concerns, delaying the roll—out and adding billions to the cost. customers will now have to face coverings from the 24th ofjuly in shops that will be backed up by fines for those who don't. the uk economy strike by nearly 20% in the three months until may, hit by the impact of the coronavirus lockdown.
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—— economy shrunk. conspiracy theories have thrived during the pandemic, now the health secretary has spoken exclusively to bbc news about the danger of coronavirus vaccine conspiracies. how can you talk to someone who believes in them? in preparation for this, i was describing myself as very normal, ordinary, plain. i have received plenty of e—mails about coronavirus conspiracies from false claims suggesting that 5g is linked to the virus to the idea that the whole thing is a hoax. and this one making misleading claims about bill gates and vaccinations. i havejust misleading claims about bill gates and vaccinations. i have just read your latest report on the bbc website, i don't see any mention of coronavirus patents in your reporting. no research funded by the
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bill gates foundation. this e-mail is from simon who recommended addressing conspiracy theories based on fact. so there is no patents for the new coronavirus that causes covid—19. the confusion about theirs, is because there is a paycheque for a different coronavirus that affects livestock like poultry and pigs. this patient is owned by the pirbright institute in the uk. the link with the gates foundation is real, it does fund the work in other fields, but not in connection with its work on coronaviruses. simon is a dad of three from shropshire. he also likes looking into conspiracy theories on youtube. so i invited professor byford to meet simon and talk about how to tackle conspiracies. they spoke about the definition of a conspiracy theory, simon's and certain what he had come across, and why conspiracies like this one can easily suck people in. conspiracy theories, what makes them so appealing and popular is that they
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are very appealing and popular is that they are very often based on small kernels of truth. simon reflected on the conspiracies he had entertained, although he admitted he had still not necessarily want to have an approved vaccine against coronavirus in the future. i think that it might make me think twice, but to me, i belong to be open to the idea that there is more thanjust what belong to be open to the idea that there is more than just what you are being told. how do you think the conversation that you just had with simon went? it went well, better than i thought it would. he presented himself somebody who is inherently sceptical. at first sight, that might seem like a com pletely sight, that might seem like a completely different kettle of fish compare to somebody who is a firm believer in a conspiracy theory, but nevertheless i think they too belong to the same universe in the sense that they are kind of questions that he has asked, these are all questions that have been asked by
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conspiracy theorists and they are the questions to which only conspiracy theorists have the answer. conspiracy theories are not simply some tricky aspect of the internet. in the coming months, they risk undermining important public health messages. so if you are someone you know is entertaining conspiracy theories, it is worth starting a conversation. just to bring some use we are getting from our colleagues in lancashire, tighter lockdown research that could be introduced in blackburn, following a spike in coronavirus cases there. people in the town will be asked to limit visitors from another household to two compared to looser rules elsewhere, the area public health director said stronger measures will be introduced into weeks of the number of cases does not fall. most testing began at the weekend after six to one uk is sprang up within a week and figures show blackburn with darwin has 41 cases per 100,000, up 29.5. director
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of public health for blackburn said they would also be targeted work after a rise in infections within the south asian community, described a cluster of infections particularly with families and small terraced houses. one person gets infected, a multi—generational household, all members are getting infected. i had warned that if the numbers are not coming down in a two—week period, we will probably need to go into a reversal of some of the lockdown measures. just updating you on the situation. months after thousands of homes were damaged by flooding, new measures have been announced to stop happening again. the government package includes millions of pounds for 22 flood defence project in england, the wet weather last winter brought misery to many homeowners in south wales, northern and central england and the scottish borders. police in california have confirmed that a body found in a lake is that
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of the missing actress nayar rivera. the 34 year who started the television show glee was presumed to have drowned last wednesday after going missing with herfour—year—old son. he was found alone add asleep on the boat. emergency as we have a missing person. naya rivera and tosun came to the lake to rent a boat and escape the southern californian heat. mother and son went swimming, but naya rivera never got back on the boat. authorities searched for six days until her body was recovered. police believe naya rivera may have got caught in the heavy pressing trees of the lakebed. her four—year—old son was found alone, asleep, wrapped in a towel. the boy told officials his mother helped lift him onto the boat, but then she disappeared under the water. she was not wearing a life jacket. the idea perhaps being that
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the boat started drifting, it was an anchored, and that she mustered enough energy to get her song onto the boat but not enough to save herself. officials used sonar equipment and cadaver dogs to search for her, herfriends equipment and cadaver dogs to search for her, her friends and family gathered at the lake, many searching themselves. naya rivera was an actor and singer best known for playing lesley —— cheerleader on the hit tv show leave. our hearts go out to her many friends and fans who have been holding up hope for the best over the past few days. the sheriff said her death were said to be a tragic accident as they did not suspect foul play suicide. the duchess of cambridge has said she believes there is a massive gap in the support given to parents between the first few months of a child's life and when they start school. she was speaking to louise minchin is part of her involvement in the bbc‘s tiny
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happy people initiative which will provide video and social media content provide video and social media co nte nt to provide video and social media content to help it develop children's liner skills. hi! hello! it's like a game of hide and seek in the woods. in the grounds of sandringham, the duchess of cambridge is meeting three families with young children as part of the bbc‘s tiny happy people initiative. at its heart, a simple message — talk to your children from as early as possible. i didn't realise just how important it is. you know, some of the science behind all of it is extraordinary. 90% of our adult brain grows before the age of five and itjust shows what a precious time this is and what an amazing opportunity us as parents have got to really nurture their minds and really put them in the best possible position for their future lives. dada, dada. it's important, because more than one in four children starting primary school in england don't reach the required level of literacy development, and it's a similar picture right
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across the uk. have you learnt anything new from being part of tiny happy people that perhaps you didn't know before? you don'tjust need all these toys. you canjust use something simple, like a tree, or, you know, a bit of paper rolled up. and just a pen to paper is the best way for them to learn. so he's the same age, isn't he, as prince louis, then? yeah. i was just saying, louis doesn't understand social distancing. so he goes up wanting to cuddle everything, and particularly any babies younger than him. the duchess of cambridge has been involved with tiny happy people for some time. much of her work now focuses on the early years. look at you, so many words. injanuary, she launched a uk wide survey called five big questions, aiming to spark a national conversation about early childhood. she's very chatty! she is. she learns a lot from us, she copies a lot. how do you interact with a newborn baby and what is it
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you should be doing? not perhaps in the first few months, when there is a huge amount of support from midwives and health visitors and things, but from then onwards, there is a massive gap before they then start school. and it's that bit that i think you really need the support. ryan, i'm really interested in what you said that you noticed she has five different cries. one cry is if i, say, need to get a drink, there's like a fake cry. so it's like, "why are you not here, show me attention. " some of the things with the parents today, you know, ryan at the beginning, saying how his baby has got five different cries, he has learnt a huge amount from tiny happy people, and its information like that i wish i had had as a first—time mum, but for so many parents, its gold dust, really, for families to be given those tips and tools to be able to use, particularly in those first five years.
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that wasn't the duchess of cambridge, but we heard from her talking to louise mention. you're watching bbc news, let's catch up with the weather with susan. there has been cloud aplenty across the uk today, spilling in from the atlantic. many of our western coast look like this, swansea a little earlier. eastern coast, particularly across eastern scotland, not faring as badly, ahead of the fried there was some sunshine, but the front is now moving eastwards, introducing moister air, humidity. it now moving eastwards, introducing moisterair, humidity. it will get murky across the hills and around the coast through the evening and overnight there will be some further rate for northern ireland, also for western scotland and some showers spreading into northern england, wales and south—west of england by the end of the night. overnight lows
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somewhere around 11—13dc. wednesday, daytime, again up against a lot of cloud, early brightness across eastern counties, but the weather front will continue to push its way eastwards. not much rain to the south, further north a way to spell across northern england and parts of the midlands but generallyjust that tale of a really solid blanket of cloud holding the temperatures by a few degrees below—average at many places, perhaps 20 our ultimate high in the south—east. thursday brings us in the south—east. thursday brings usa in the south—east. thursday brings us a better chance of seeing some brightness, particular the further south ids, and for scotland a little bit of a firm effect, top temper just was the east, 23 or 24 celsius in the west, with the cloud and another weather front approaching just 16. quite widely we are looking at the high teens to the low 20s. for the end of the week, there is front pitching a tent will try and see its way ever more south—eastwards. for many, friday will be a dry day with some sunshine but as the day pans out, scotland
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and northern ireland will see increasing cloud and rain arriving at then to the north of that weather front, it is a cold weather front, cooler air starting to sink its way southwards. just how quick that front makes its way south with this subject to some question as we look towards our weekend weather. if it is slow—moving, we mayjust see a one myself for a time across southern england. but it does look as we go through the weekend and on into next week that we will basically pick up that north—westerly feet of air, temperatures on the low side, even in the longer term. nothing too u nsettled in the longer term. nothing too unsettled on the way.
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these are” the headlines... these are the headlines... no to huawei, the chinese company is banned from the 5g network in the uk over security concerns, adding billions to the cost. customers will now have to wear face coverings in shops in england from the 24th ofjuly. the death rate of sales and retail assistance is 75% higher amongst men and 60% higher amongst women than in the general population. the uk economy shrank by nearly 20% in may hit by the coronavirus lockdown. virgin atlantic finalises a rescue deal worth £1.2 billion with investors to secure its future. a
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warning 120,000 new coronavirus uk deaths in a second wave of infections this winter. hello. it is like a infections this winter. hello. it is likea game infections this winter. hello. it is like a game of hide and seek. looking for support for parents, the duchess of cambridge marks the launch of tiny happy people, a bbc education initiative. louis doesn't understand that social distancing so he goes out wanting to cuddle everything, especially babies younger than him. good afternoon. the government has announced its to carry out a major u—turn and exlcude the chinese company, huawei, from involvement in
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britain's 5g data networks. the culture secretary oliver dowden told the commons that all huawei equipment would be removed by 2027 over security concerns. he said the decision would cost up to £2 billion and delay the roll—out of 5g by two to three years. the reversal of policy will please washington but anger beijing. huawei says the news is bad news for anybody in the country with a digital phone. rory cellan—jones reports. 56 is on! it's the controversial chinese firm that the united states wanted its allies to ban. but injanuary huawei was allowed to supply 35% of the new 5g networks which promised lightning fast downloads and will power everything from smart homes to self—driving cars. now, though, these huawei masts are now going to have to come down. after a meeting of the national security council, the government has announced a u—turn. let me be clear. this requirement will be set out in
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law by the telecoms security bill. by the time of the next election, we will have implemented in law an irreversible path for the complete removal of huawei equipment from our 5g networks. so, what's changed since january when gchq said the risks over using huawei equipment were manageable? first, new sanctions mean the company may not have access to us technology, seen as vital to the safe use of its kit. then there's the politics. the security crackdown in hong kong and china's treatment of the uighur minority, have led to a revolt by tory backbenchers. we wanted china to mature into this responsible global stakeholder. but it's become a superpower without any of the responsibilities that a superpower should be showing. we are going through an enduring international emergency but there is no international leadership. what we are seeing with china is it's discreetly pressing its advantage. now at least the mobile companies know what they have to do —
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strip out huawei equipment and replace it with kit from nokia or ericsson. that will not make hitting the government's target of giving everyone either 5g or full—fibre broadband by 2025 any easier. and some technology firms wonder why the ban is needed. the justifications on security grounds are fairly tenous. the equipment that huawei supplies is very clever physics but it's pretty much a dumb pipe in information technology terms. what is clear is that the days when the uk and china were supposedly entering a golden era for trade are over. a gulf is opening up in the technology world between china and america and the uk has chosen which side it is on. rory cellan—jones, bbc news. vicki young is in westminster, is this about security or politics? probably a bit of both, as ever, but
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the immediate pressure came from the united states because of the sanctions that they were bringing m, sanctions that they were bringing in, so that caused a review. until now security experts who have been happy they can mitigate the risk of huawei and they are overseen very carefully a nd huawei and they are overseen very carefully and so that was the situation as it was but this has changed everything. downing street says it has been a game changer, the sanctions coming in, so the advice, security advice has changed, and they can no longer say that it is secure but there is no doubt that over the last couple of years the uk has been coming under pressure in the united states but also from others globally who have been very concerned about what they see as an aggressive economic policy from china. that whole relationship, if you like, seems to have been shifting and the government says they are going to —— they are going to be severe consequences, the 5g role that will be delayed by 2—3
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yea rs role that will be delayed by 2—3 years and the cost over £2 billion more to do it but in this case they are choosing security over the economic stash 5g rolled out. beijing were not like this. the chinese ambassador says there will be consequences of this decision and there is already a four relationship over what has happened in hong kong. ——a over what has happened in hong kong. —— a fraught relationship. but the broader issue here about the investment from the chinese in this country, £50 billion in the last decade in all sorts of areas, nuclear power stations, the water industry and gas industry, the steel industry, transport, this is going to be, if this relationship is recalibrated, quite an issue for the british government, and remember george osborne and david cameron, when they were in power, they wooed the chinese, and they saw huge benefits for the uk economy of being close to china. david cameron went down the pub when the chinese president came to this country and
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they talked about a golden era but it doesn't feel like that now. the question is, can the uk afford to close the door completely on chinese investment? does this mean that the tory backbenchers who were getting louder, they are now happy?” tory backbenchers who were getting louder, they are now happy? i would not say happy, and they were not quite as outspoken as i thought they might be in the house of commons and they still think 2027 is too late to get the huawei kit are stripped out because they want that to happen much more quickly, but they were broadly supportive and we will see how far they are prepared to go because the legislation requires changes in the law and that will come in the autumn and they feel they do have the numbers to defeat they do have the numbers to defeat the government by the question is whether they decided to go there and whether they decided to go there and whether they decided to go there and whether they think actually this is a move in the right direction and you have to balance it of course with the problems that there would be, the secretary of state torque taking the kit out quicker could a massive disruption to the mobile phone network which would not go down well with many people —— today talking of taking the kit out
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quicker could mean a massive disruption. vicki young, thanks. in ten days' time, shoppers in england will have to wear face masks. from 24july, it'll be mandatory, with a £100 fine for people who refuse. children under the age of 11 and those with certain disabilities will be exempt, as is the case on public transport. those who don't wear recovering could be fined up to £100. the move brings england in line with scotland, germany, spain and italy. our political correspondent chris mason reports. the masked politician has become a more regular sight in the last few days. the health secretary, the home secretary, the prime minister, as well. in england from a week on friday, you will need a face covering to go shopping. lots of people have already been wearing masks. it's been mandatory on public transport so people have been definitely doing that sincejune. i think by making it mandatory, it's just that next step.
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and, you know, announcing it today so the position has changed today and it won't become mandatory until the 24th. but i think from today a lot of people will start wearing those masks anyway. why is it going to take a week and a bit for this to become compulsory, though? shops will need to put up signs to remind us, but do they need that long to get ready? yes, i think it's important we all have time to prepare, whether that's the retailers needing to look at the signs that are just being highlighted there, to make sure that staff have had the right training, whether it's us all as members of the public who have our stock of marks at the ready. people who refuse to put on a face covering could be fined up to £100. but the police hope it will not come to that because... it will be a difficult response from the police, as you can imagine, because we're talking about private premises. what we need is shopkeepers to come on board fully and say quite clearly in their shop windows etc, no mask, no entry.
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it's as simple as that. because for us to enforce what you're talking about, i would imagine would be nigh on impossible. policy on face coverings in england is decided by the government here at westminster but scotland, wales and northern ireland make their own decisions. in northern ireland, you have to wear one of these things on public transport but not in shops. in wales, you don't have to wear one in a shop either, but you will have to on public transport from a week on monday. but in scotland it's been compulsory since last friday to cover your nose and mouth in shops, as well as on public transport. labour say the change in england is well overdue. the evidence, not just from the experts, but the experience from around the world, not just scotland — germany, spain, italy, vietnam, other countries across europe and the globe, shows this can make a difference. another thing to remember, then, when you head out. your keys, your phone,
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your money and your mask. he is the health secretary matt hancock announcing the decision is here is the health secretary matt hancock announcing the decision. we wa nt to hancock announcing the decision. we want to give people more confidence to shop confidently and enhance conditions for those who work in shops and these can be done through the use of face coverings. sadly, sales assistants and security cards have suffered disproportionately in this crisis, and the death rate of sales and retail assistance is 75% higher amongst men and 60% higher amongst women than in the general population. so as we restore shopping, so we must keep our shopkeeper safe, and there is also evidence that face coverings increase confidence in people to shop. the british retail consortium has said that together with other social distancing measures face coverings can make shoppers feel
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even more confident about returning to the high street and the chair of the federation of small businesses said that small firms know that mandatory face coverings have a part to play and they say, in the nation's recovery both physically and financially, and that he is sure is welcome. —— that this is welcome. face coverings will be mandatory in shops and supermarkets. the health secretary matt hancock. whilst there's criticism of the delay in the government's decision, politicians have said all along they've been guided by the science. our health correspondent anna collinson has been looking at what the scientists have said. so much has changed in the past six months. one of those changes had been attitude towards face masks. it is thought that is partly down to a better understanding of covid—19. from the beginning of the crisis, we have been warned a single cough could spread the virus but there is now growing evidence
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that tiny particles can spread and hang in the air, particularly in crowded, enclosed settings like a supermarket. masks are one more way to reduce the transmission of the virus. there is more evidence that people can be infected but not show any symptoms and it is these asymptomatic people who potentially could be out and about in the community, unknowing that they are infected and potentially spreading the virus. so, wearing a face mask might also help in those cases. another significant development happened when the world health organization changed its advice on face coverings in june. they now advise coverings should be worn in public where social distancing is not possible. masks are already compulsory on public transport but from next friday, we will see similar sights in shops in england. but some within the medical community want coverings to be mandatory now. we are delighted that it has come, disappointed it has come so late and disappointed it is not happening quicker, and disappointed it is only
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in shops, but it is a step in the right direction. so, do you feel like attitudes are really changing now in relation to masks? yes. there are a few people who have very fixed ideas but i think, within the medical profession, we have moved a long way on this and people are also starting to understand that the public health use is very different from the hospital use of masks and ppe. the scientific community and politicians may be changing their attitudes about face coverings but, as this graph suggests, people in the uk are still to be convinced. just 36% of people say they would wear a mask in public compared to 82% in china and 86% in spain. one attitude that has stayed consistent throughout this pandemic is the importance of hand washing. even if you wear a mask, good hygiene is vital to stop the spread of germs which may have been caught in the material. anna collinson, bbc news.
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we are getting reaction from martin hewitt, he says they have worked closely with the home office as retailers —— and retailers and trade bodies on the wearing of face coverings in shops, and they say they expect retailers to manage people wearing face coverings in the store. he says they will follow an approach of engaging and explaining and encouraging and only enforcing and encouraging and only enforcing an encouragement has been u nsuccessful. an encouragement has been unsuccessful. experience shows that compliance with the regulations to manage coronavirus is high and this must continue to be a joint effort between the retail sector, customers, government and the police, this is especially important as demand on the police increases as the lockdown eases, he says. that is a statement from the national police chiefs council. we will talk to the chair of the national police federation later on. we will also be
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asking your questions on any —— answering your questions on anything to do with wearing face coverings later at 430. send in your questions. ba nksy banksy has unveiled his latest artwork on the london underground. posting on his instagram page, the video shows some of his hallmark rats sneezing and using facemasks in a variety of ways. it ends with the slogan, i get locked down but i get up slogan, i get locked down but i get up again.
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the next station is euston square. # i #iget # i get knocked down but i get up again... don't quite know what to say about that! i don't think anybody does. a p pa re ntly that! i don't think anybody does. apparently that was banksy. fine, u nless apparently that was banksy. fine, unless you have to clean it up, i suppose. these are the headlines... no to huawei, the chinese company is banned from the 5g network in the uk over security concerns, adding billions to the cost. customers will now have to wear face coverings in shops in england from the 24th ofjuly.
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and will be backed up by fines of up to £100. the uk economy shrank by nearly 20% in may hit by the coronavirus lockdown. france is honouring its health workers to mark scaled—down events to mark bastille day. more than a thousand were invited alongside relatives of those who died fighting the disease. the french government agreed to more than $9 billion in pay rises for nurses, doctors and ca re pay rises for nurses, doctors and care workers. emmanuel macron says he wants to make it compulsory to wear facemasks he wants to make it compulsory to wearfacemasks in indoor public spacesin wearfacemasks in indoor public spaces in france and he said masks are one of the best ways of limiting the spread of the coronavirus. virgin atlantic has announced plans for a private financing package worth £1.2 billion to secure its future. the chief executive said the last six months with a tough as the
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company has ever faced, and last six months with a tough as the company has everfaced, and he said the restructuring will make sure that the company can continue to provide vital connectivity and competition to consumers and businesses. now to the news that the uk's mobile providers will be banned from buying new huawei 5g equipment from buying new huawei 5g equipment from the 31st of december and they must also remove the company's kit from the networks by 2027. this is the right move for you? it's a step in the right direction and i think the government is to be praised for taking a bold step in banning the purchase of huawei equipment but we haven't heard yet on when installation of new huawei kit will be banned as well. getting to 2027 is important but we can'tjust have a rush towards the line and then
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everything ends on midnight on the 3ist everything ends on midnight on the 31st of december, so i would like to see a play which i'm sure the government is working on, but no doubt operators, telephone operators will have to feed into, so i'm looking forward to hearing the plan before we get the legislation in the autumn. billions of pounds in terms of the cost and quite a delay to the rolled out the 5g now? not necessarily, actually, and it depends on... i'm quoting on the secretary of state. it depends how you do it. what it means, the uk will have a properly secure network andi will have a properly secure network and i think that is extremely important. somebody watching you now who is wondering about the security implications about this, is this a concern about accessing data? multiple concern. first of all we know the chinese state has used leverage in different ways on
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countries around the world, so we know that it has already happened. we know huawei has been accused of being a source for data harvesting from places like the african union and the government of tanzania, and we also know that whoever writes the code for the future communications network is in many ways writing the code for the future economy, so all of these different areas because concern and it is important that the uk has proper control and properly secure networks. a spokesman for huawei says this is bad news for anyone in the uk with a mobile phone. they say this is all about politics. they would say that, wouldn't they? what have they got wrong there? huawei is intimately and very closely linked to the chinese state and it along with others has been integral to the
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security roll—out in things and which has seen over a million and a half muslims detained and it is part ofan half muslims detained and it is part of an apparatus of state power. it is extremely problematic. it is hardly surprising they are looking to defend themselves against a decision which will not do them any good. they have said in this studio, they have said they have been involved in uk infrastructure for the last 20 years, why is this suddenly a problem? it is not suddenly a problem? it is not suddenly a problem and some of us have been campaigning against this over many yea rs, have been campaigning against this over many years, 3—4 years, and it isa over many years, 3—4 years, and it is a problem because the nature of the state in china has changed. under xijinping, the the state in china has changed. under xi jinping, the way the communist party of china is seeking to influence foreign countries has evolved, and we are also seeing that the use of the private companies
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around the world has evolved. the reports on the exploitation of information out of the african union and other countries is something which has become more cogent. would you expect tit—for—tat action now from china? china doesn't allow uk suppliers into its communications network at all, so no. i was thinking in terms of reports in the last few days of a possible cyber attack, and there are things china could try to do. of course. this would entirely prove my point that huawei is a branch of the chinese government. or the chinese government. or the chinese government doesn't like to have this sort of action taken against one of its firms on foreign soil when it has been working perfectly happy until now and doing so. you think it is illegitimate for a government to act like that on behalf of a private company? it is not my view. of
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course is not legitimate. private companies do not get the support you are indicating or have the sort of blackmail ability of an entire state behind them. only state companies do that. why is the american decision in banning the chinese equipment so influential for in banning the chinese equipment so influentialfor us? in banning the chinese equipment so influential for us? the influence in banning the chinese equipment so influentialfor us? the influence is foreign governments is something we can't fall for, you say, but it appears american action has precipitated this action.” appears american action has precipitated this action. i don't agree with the government of this andi agree with the government of this and i think the government should make this decision anyway. i think their decision is entirely coherent with or without the american decision. but you are part of the government. no, i'm not, itry to hold them to account. at the moment
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people say this is not backed up by any people say this is not backed up by a ny fa cts people say this is not backed up by any facts in terms of what england was intending to do and they insist —— in terms of what huawei was intending to do... i know you are smiling, but i'm trying to put the other perspective. we are going round and round in circles and we know the argument is critically, huawei is a wholly owned subsidiary of the chinese communist party, that is not a private company in the uk sense. the british government had a different view not long ago. you will have to ask the british government why there view has changed but my view hasn't changed which is that we should not have huawei in our networks and i'm glad that the government has come round to seeing it that way. the boss of bt said it could take up to ten yea rs bt said it could take up to ten years for all aspects of the influence of huawei to be removed,
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is that a reasonable fear? that really would delay things considerably. it depends what you're talking about because huawei will still have some legacy elements in copper wire and things like that, but frankly they don't matter. let's not worry about that. let's talk about what matters and the predominance of that is in the 5g technology, that speeds up the connectivity and lowers the latency between the handset and the base station so it pushes a lot more information forward, so that is much more important. and let's look at the rest of the infrastructure that feeds the front end and make sure that we keep that safe. there is plenty of work there already and we don't need to worry about the copper wires, and yes, there will be the odd box left behind which frankly doesn't matter. tom, always good to talk to you. thanks forjoining us.
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the uk economy shrank by nearly 20% in the three months to may — that's a record drop as the impact of the lockdown was felt. may's gdp growth fell far short of the 5% rise expected by most econonomists, as andy verity reports. this party shop in andover is one of the millions of businesses trying to keep things cheerful and stay afloat in the midst of what the office for budget responsibility said this morning would be the biggest recession in 300 years. since may, some business has returned after two months of no income. we have got all our local customers back which is a really nice, our regulars, and we have gained some new ones as well. so, optimistic, i think that's the best thing to say, but yeah, it did hit us, as everybody, really hard. the economy shrank by nothing less than a fifth in the three months until the end of may, nearly ten times the size of the worst three months of the global financial crisis. in the midst of the slump for bricks and mortar retailers, online shopping jumped to the point where this manchester based courier
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company says nearly every day has been like its busiest day last year. we did a 1.3 million parcel peak which was our peak day, which was black friday 2019, and we have seen 1.4 million parcels during that period of time so we are experiencing the same levels that we experienced over the christmas period. with more online shopping, the reopening of garden centres and some manufacturing and construction, economic activity started to increase again in may but it's not the bounce back some hoped for. normally economic growth of 1.8% in a month would be impressive but it is less of a bounce than most economists were expecting and then you look at it compared to what has happened, it is that little tick at the bottom of this sheer drop. the economy is still a full quarter smaller than it was before the pandemic and well below the level it was ten years ago. today the office for budget responsibility said the extra spending announced in rishi sunak‘s summer statement last week to try
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and supportjobs may boost economic growth next year but would also add £51 billion to the amount the government has to borrow to cover its spending. borrowing this year could be anywhere from 190 billion to around £400 billion. if interest rates on that debt rose, it could become difficult to manage. given the consequences of the crisis in terms of the global increase in both public and private sector debt, that could be the sort of thing that you would expect to put upward pressure on the national rate of interest and therefore the rates of interest at which governments can borrow. the official prediction of what the obr calls a central scenario is that unemployment will climb to 12%, over 3.5 million people, with the economy not recovering to its precrisis level until the end of 2022, two and a half years from now. andy verity, bbc news. now we have the weather forecast.
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it has taken a turn for the rather gloomy, over the next few days, the reason being this cloud piling in from the atlantic. it is a warm weather front which will push rain through the evening and overnight over northern ireland into western scotla nd over northern ireland into western scotland and into the small hours and northern england and wales in the south—west of england. a lot of moisture and humidity in the air so misty and murky over the hills and around the coasts. overnight lows of just 11—13, the best chance of any brightness on wednesday, over eastern england, detained end of the weather front moving in eastern england, detained end of the weatherfront moving in here, ——
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